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Is Hip-Hop Dead??

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Seems like it to me, and also to Pierre Bennu:

    I know you’ve been thinking it. And if you haven’t, you probably haven’t been paying attention. The art we once called hip hop has been dead for some time now. But because its rotting carcass has been draped in platinum and propped against a Gucci print car, many of us have missed its demise.

    I think the time has come to bid a farewell to the last black arts movement. It’s had a good run but it no longer serves the community that spawned it. Innovation has been replaced with mediocrity and originality replaced with recycled nostalgia for the ghost of hip hop past, leaving nothing to look forward to. Honestly when was the last time you heard something (mainstream) that made you want to run around in circles and write down every word. When was the last time you didn’t feel guilty nodding your head to a song that had a ‘hot beat’ after realizing the lyrical content made you cringe.

    When I heard Jam Master Jay had been murdered, it was the icing on the cake. A friend and I spoke for hours after he’d turned on the radio looking for solace and instead heard a member of the label Murder, Inc. about to give testimony about the slain DJ’s legacy. My friend found the irony too great to even hear what the rapper had to say. After we got off the phone, I dug through my crates and played the single “Self Destruction.” The needle fell on the lyrics:

    They call us animals
    I don’t agree with them
    Let’s prove em wrong
    But right is what were proving em’

    The only thing that kept me from crying was my anger trying to imagine today’s top hip hop artists getting together to do a song that urged disarmament in African American communities, or promoted literacy, or involved anything bigger than themselves for that matter. I couldn’t picture it.

    All I could picture were the myriad of hip hop conferences where the moguls and figureheads go through the motions and say the things that people want to hear but at the end of the day nothing changes. No new innovative artists are hired to balance out a roster of the pornographic genocide MC’s.

    In their place, we’re presented with yet more examples of arrested development – the portrayal of grown men and women acting and dressing like 15 year olds. Balding insecure men in their mid 30’s making entire songs about their sexual prowess and what shiny toys they have and you don’t. The only hate I see is self-hate. The only love I see is self-love

    All one needs to do is watch cribs and notice none of these people showing off their heated indoor pools or the PlayStation Two consoles installed in all twelve of their luxury cars have a library in their home. Or display a bookshelf, for that matter. No rapper on cribs has ever been quoted saying: “Yeah, this is the room where I do all my reading, nahmean?”

    To quote Puffy in Vogue magazine Nov, 2002: “Diamonds are a great investment… They’re not only a girl’s best friend, they are my best friend. I like the way diamonds make me feel. I can’t really explain it, its like: that’s a rock, something sent to me from nature, from God, it makes me feel good… It’s almost like my security cape.”

    If rappers read, they might know about the decades of near-slavery endured by South African diamond miners. Or the rebels in Sierra Leone whose bloody diamond-fueled anti-voting rampages leave thousands of innocent men, women and children with amputated limbs….

There’s plenty more – the heart is gone.

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  • mt

    I agree with this article — Hip Hop IS dead! There was a brief flurry a few years back when it seemed that the creativeness and imagination of Hip Hop was the step after rap but that produced
    nothing but pretentious music by pretentious musicmakers — .
    We’re already well into the new rock scene and electroclash. In a sense electroclash owes a lot to Hip Hop but that’s where the connection ends. The “art of the day” is to entertain and Hip Hop is boring.

  • verbak essencs

    hip hop is not dead, but it definitelly sounds that way. the other day, i was cleaning my room and i was listening to a local hip hop station and i got irritated with the bullshitt that was being played over and over again. So i went to my cd case and thumbed trough it. And i was feeling ILLMATIC, so i let that ride for a while, and i felt happy, but saddened. I began to think of how good hip hop used to make me feel. And its not like that anymore.
    now i truelly understand when older folks would say, to me music aint like it used to be. Its true, i went to a concert and saw the stylistics, the delfonics, and the chi lites. And that is genuine music from the soul. I think that, is whats happened to hip hop. Cherish the old shitt like paid in full, public enemy, common sense, nas,wu tangs 36 chambers. hold on forever because hip hop is not the same. theyre too busy trying to make dope videos, instead of making dope lyrics, and beats, which ultimately results in poor songs, to wack cds. I love you hip hop, but youve changed.

  • I like that Bennu piece.

    Hip-hop’s far from dead as a commercial force — it’s at its all-time peak as the new pop music and sells mad loot.

    The article is right that hip hop is dead as a political message. I think in some ways hip hop is a very post-modern consumer product, where the style has become the message and the attitude as product has taken over and swallowed whole whatever rebellious or politically empowering ideas black music once had. Even if you want to preach about voting like Puffy’s mindless “Vote or Die” campaign did in 2004, it gets lost amidst so much noise and bling bling that it doesn’t get taken seriously. Puffy doesn’t stand for anything but money, so why would anyone vote based on what he says? “Vote or Die”? That’s an implied threat, not a message for change.

    That is all.

  • agreed, mainstream hip hop is not what it once was. However, there are some emcees out there who use craft in their lyrics, for instance, HUSHH , a couple of white kids, i was in shock when i heard them.. check it out

    hushhentertainment.com

    one of them has no arms or legs

  • TBJ

    I hope, well, wish, hip hop was dead already..I mean don’t these “singers” see that they are basically used for product placement in MTV Videos?

    Get Kanye to sell a cell phone, get Missy Elliot to sell clothes, get 50 cent to sell jewlery…it goes on and on..

  • Marques

    R.I.P Hip Hop..

    *From a 16 year old kid who knows what true hip hop is. All I have to say..in the words of P.E

    DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE..
    face it ppl, all the “artists” out now are garbage

  • Lee

    This article hits home ..it’s a perfect summary of the direction hip hop has gone or should i say”Hip pop”..has gone to the coporations ….Which makes perfect sense to me seeing as how they have done this to just about every avenue and aspect of music as and art form…..Which saddens me and too short made a piont of this on the 2pac dvd “2pac forever”…That we have been granted this gift of speech and if we dont use it correctly we could lose it forever..Which is what has happend…Pop artists have soggied up the fabric of the hip hop culture and unfortunatly the ones with the pwer to change dont want to and have decided to leave their roots behind Just to make their bank accounts larger…Known of them bother to look towards the streets to look for real “talent “…R.I.P

  • 14 m toronto

    Yeye tupac Rip ANd fuk u Shady Aftermath u to game fukk u U can lik eminems and dresz ASss OUTLAW IMMORTAL!!!

  • Ricky

    I Agree to, back in the day Hip Hop artists actually talk about something that’s really important like changing the world, or what actually happened in there lives. Now today all they talk about is cars, bling bling, sex and stuff that are not really important in the world. Don’t get me wrong there’s still hip hop artist like that just there’s very few. Now a days hip hop is just crashing with all this beef that’s going on, youknowhatI’msayin.

  • Mickey. B

    R.I.P. Hip-Hop, “2pac 4 Forever” listen to “Keep ya head up”, “Brenda has a baby”, “Changes”, Notorious B.I.G’s “Juicy”, listen to Ludacris’s “Runaway Love” & “Diamond in the back” Nas’s “I know I can” and other good hip-hop songs u can listen to

  • I don’t know folks. I think people are talking the title the wrond way. And yes, it seems like a lot of jeolously going on…. If its not from the East, then it ain’t Hip Hop…….so some make it seem.

    Making try listing to the lyrics of this
    the URL under “iBOBBY”

    out

  • I agree with this article. But hip hop isn’t dead to me yet. I still have the pleasure of listening to Common, The Roots, Mos Def, Kweli, Atmosphere, Nas, Lootpack, Illogic, Lupe Fiasco, and my list goes on. I refuse to listen to the rest of the garbage they try ot pass off as hip hop these days. The other day on 106th and Park (watched out of curiosity) Lil’ Scrappy said “Hip Hop ain’t dead, then what am I doing????” Then the showed the debut of his video “Gangsta gangsta”. I thought how much worst can this get. A lot worst, which is why I am thankful for the few artists out there that still bring some actual thought in their music. Thank God for the underground and real emcees. Fuck Viacom.

  • Obi

    I agree, it has gotten worse. But I’ve recently found and loved such classics as Nas’ Illmatic and Wu Tang’s 36 CHambers, and they’re great. Incredible to listen to what hip hop was like way back when I was too young to really listen and understand, but now I realize. Artists like Lupe Fiasco, who’s such an incredible lyricist, probably the best one out there right now, still promote good hip hop so I’m happy.

  • Hip Hop isn’t dead. It’s just a marketing ploy established by Nas to get sales back to the East coast. Taking subliminal shots at the South and such, if Hyphy from the West coast took the place of South and started to sell like crazy, they would’ve been blame for killing hip hop. Check it:

  • Shizz

    It is the age old argument of “it is not what is used to be”. Motown started out as organic soulful music then ended up churning out cheesy pop records for the masses it inevitably died a death only to become cool again years later. It is an ugly sight I agree. I think it is simply a product of when music becomes commercially aware thus making it less creative – it becomes a day job! The magic is thus lost, the masses tap in and the musos (that is us) tap out. In my opinion Hip Hop should have stayed arch enemies with RnB like it was in the late eighties. RnB taught Hip Hop all its commercial tricks as RnB embodies the art of easy listening. Face it guys you miss the rough creative edge Illmatic had. And why? Because Nas wasn’t thinking about how he was going to afford that new house in the hills. Money and Creativity do not blend at all. Rap from the heart not the wallet. As long as Hip Hop is in the claws of the huge marketing machines it will remain dead. But it will rise again. Take Little Brother as an example of hope for us all.

  • Well said Shizz. Little Brother is in my list also. Rashadlogic, I disagree with that article. I believe East, West, South, have been killing hip hop for some time now. Jim Jones, Cam’ron, Fat Joe, Ja’Rule are pretty much wack in my opinion and does not represent real hip hop. The same can be said for the 100 southern rappers with “lil” before their name. Pretty much almost everything commercial has no lyrical substance or creativity. I remember when emcees could paint a whole picture by just using words. These days you’re treated to 3 words recycled in almost every song (ice, 22’s, and booty).

  • unitedwestand

    Hip-Hop is dead, and it died a few years ago.
    Couldn’t agree more with this article. It lost its spark and the soul. What happened to the sweatshirt-clad people huddled in buildings, screaming out their favourite lyricist’s name? What happened to the turntables and political views? The back-street groups? Playing music out of huge stereos in the trunks of vans?

    What happned to that underground feel? And that feeling that you were doing something to annoy the rich folks? That you were rebelling against racism, poverty, gang violence…

    I don’t think anybody knew it would be replaced with gold chains, women shaking their stuff for money… With platinum teeth and silver grillz…maseratis and land rovers…

    Most rappers nowadays say theyre from the hood…but whats a 26′ rim tire got to do with the hood? Sure, now that you’re rich and “made it out of the hood” you’re entitled to some stuff, but why should you use this money as the constant theme in your songs?

    Rappers forgot where they came from.
    “she’s dead, she’s dead….”
    Props to my homie Nas for tellin it how it iz.

  • murder-tha-DJ

    Hip-hop is dead…this is the reincarnation…

    The Game, Papoose, Nas, Young Jeezy…and company

    Bringin it back, slowly but sure-footed

    just hope they don’t sell out too……

    “hate it or love it, the underdog’s on top”
    just hope that dog doesn’t get too comfy on the top

  • Murf

    ok ok hip-hop took a lick with mike tyson hook but i dont realy think it’s dead realy people think about this for a minute or two do you realy think that mcs that we say killed hip hop. would say things about how man women they got or money weed ect. if it didnt sell.the way i see it if you dont like it dont buy it. the way to effect these rappers is to effect there pocket sence they got so much MONEY IN THE BANK cause to me a real mc dont talk about how much they got cause they know most the people that buys there cds is trying to get a bank account feel me.

  • DJ We

    hip hop is dead ty nas for bringing it back. Jay-z,Common,Lupe Fiasco,Talib Kweli,Notorious BIG,Tupac, i can go forever that i wanna thank for bringing rap back.These people are inspirations and talk positive.Not about money cars or wateva

  • WEBZ

    I am mixed race and have been a fan of Hip Hop/Breakbeat based music for over 22 years,im in my mid 30s now,i produce my own music,and even tho ive never made a penny from it, i love it more than ever,But what i see on mtv nowadays,makes me sick to my stomach,it also reminds me of what Disco ended up like,souless money grabbing ,no dignity having hoars.all u hear about is how they are “real Hip Hop” and its all about walking around stone faced,how they had it worse than everyone else in the hood,and all done with totally fake sincerity.When i see footage of B-boys from the late 70s i notice that they knew how to smile,even coming from a time that was far worse than now .What these clowns nowadays need to do is get on a plane,and go to a Jungle/Drum n Bass party and see and hear where Hip Hop,s heart still beats STRONG,and then go to parts of Africa, or Dehli in India ,,and see what poverty,and “keepin it real”really is.This will show them for what they really are.spoilt selfish little cowards.Its the same old story,”im real Hop” No your not, u are bunch of shameless ,ballless cultural prostitutes.Hip Hop is supposed to be undefinable,and suprise you at every turn .A soon as you start waving money at these idiots,its like they lose their soul and self respect.I bet if u asked them to endorse a Klan rally,one of them would do it,if u paid them enough!If u wanna talk REAL innovation and breakbeat culture,well Hip Hop has a new name DRUM AND BASS.We will see who the”real Hip Hop” people are,When the backlash comes,when the money men have gone,and mainstream america has found something else to exploit….doin it for the love. “Suckers sellout so i stand aside,another brothers greed overtakes his pride”.(Hijack.U.K)

  • Shawn, Norfolk, VA

    Hip hop isnt dying because it lacks innovation.

    Hip hop isnt dying because it doesnt have smooth lyricists that make u wanna try your hand at freestyling.

    Hip hop isnt dying because it’s commercialized.

    So here it is: Hip hop is dying because it doesn’t stand for anything. Hip hop artists don’t stand for anything. Hip hop fans don’t stand for anything. As a result, they both fall for anything and everything. Puffy: a joke. 50: a joke. Lil Wayne: a double joke and a court jester if there ever was one.

    So what does hip hop really stand for now? Where’s Public Enemy? WHere’s Ice-T? Where’s Tupac? What ever happened to Snoop? Why is Dre’ so soft now? How did we go from strong activists to weak minded, bamboozled Amos and Andy’s? How did we lose our substance and our style?

    That’s why hip hop is dying…it no longer stands for anything. Once it got the commercial attention it deserved, it turned its back on its purpose instead of using its new found celebrity to promote the agenda and the plights of its fans. RIP.

  • Ed

    Hip Hop is dead….it was in its golden ages only like 5 years ago, those were its last days, with Xzibit’s “X”, eminem, snoop dogg, Dre’s chronic 2001, method man and redman’s blackout… but now its filled with a bunch of idiots who can’t sing, and the beats suck. only good mc’s left are few, one of them is ludacris. i have to say that he’s pretty good.

  • Hip Hop is dead and only a few are bringing it back. Ty Nas :]
    Whatever happened to “Throw your hands in da air”
    With all the new commercialized “hip hop”, we dont feel it to throw our hands up. No powerful meaning words as in 2pac’s words (r.i.p)Nowadays its all about money and fame. That isn’t what they struggled for? They forgot were they came from and who they got it from.

  • hip hop aint dead its on life support realy it is

  • Bliffle

    Dead for 20 years, at least. All they’re doing is recycling puny fashions and poses. Self-involved trivial.

    The problem is we’ve become so used to depending on the black society to create artistic innovation that we will accept anything from that society as New Art, no matter how spurious, that we slavishly follow their lead. Poor miserable guilty white folk need some model to use to pretend they’re black-like in order to improve their mellan-challenged artistic failings. Well, it’s easier to nod your head and repeat tired rhythmic cadences than to, say, learn to play the violin.

    We are truly a bankrupt people.

  • WEBZ

    Totally agree with u shawn,THATS whats missing from modern Hip Hop – BALLS .both musically and lyrically.I think the music industry has been in a process of dumbing down music for the last 50 years,and when a new wild music comes along,they ignore it until they tame it,and then they rinse it out.funk got rinsed out,until it became mainstream disco,with no real substance just one big glitzy dreamworld,and champagne lifestyle -sound familiar? The people who love that music (both funk,and underground disco) will always love it,regardless of what MTV tells em.There IS good hip hop out there kids,but you wont find it on mtv.

  • The Source

    Yo Hip Hop is dieing of Drugs, we know its hurt’n us but to weak to stop using it, it don’t even fell good to us any more but we keep using the shit. Hip hop is the body and heroin is all theses garbage ass rappers breakin the body down with this senseless bullshit until its so dependent and too scared to change. I need a shot of that laffy taffy yawl. The South had some good shit at first, the West coast had some good shit at first, the East coast had some good shit at first. How about we just start some other shit, some pure shit

  • The Livest

    Hell no. Yall got it all ass backwards wrong. Hip Hop aint dead. Hip Hop aint reachin its end yet either. What it is is this- Hip Hop is a man. That man was born and brought up in the worst possible conditions you could throw at a mutha fucka. And through all the pain n all the bull shit That man was hardend and made stronger. He was turned into a warrior. This warrior overcame all the obstacles in his path. He fucked up every punk ass law and restriction that got in his way. And over time he changed. He adapted to the world as it changed around him. Each change in hip hop was a new battle for this warrior. But then This warrior took his first ass whoopin. Then when he was down the world hit him again and again. Slowly The warrior became weaker. Each one of these blows to the warriors are attacks you have heard of. The death of pac, biggy, eazy, big L, jam master j., James Brown. other hits were dilevered by A& R’s tryin to soften the warriors spirit. This Warrior Saw the A&R’s and all these other rap critics as a way to stop the beatings. He followed Their instructions and did things that went against what he fought for. Over time they controlled the warrior that was once hip hop. But only because he let them. He needed time to recover. But by the time he recovered these critics had become the vision of the hip hop warrior. True hip hop was becoming a faded memory in our past. That is how they convinced all yall that is to blind to see that hip hop is not dead. Just chained down. But a warrior never stops fighting. Never gives up because his soul is to strong to be killed. These A&R’s is to damn fake and weak to hold the hip hop warrior down for long. Eventually hip hop must die. But i can tell you that that day damn sure aint close.
    Keep ya heads up and eyes open and maybe you can see that.
    Hip Hop is back on the rise and aint takin no prisoners alive.
    Mad love to my man Larry Clark holdin shit down in marci. Rest in Peace to your baby neice. That shit was fucked up. aint nobody that deserves to go out like that especially not no lil baby. Tell your sista ima pray for her. That wont take the pain of seein her baby girl shot down at a birthday party away but god can make life go on. Heard your moms got up out the coma and the bullet to the head aint do no permanent damage. thats the silver lineing to this cloudy life i guess. the streets is cold these days. And to all you other muther fuckers out there tryin to come up in this game, pick up a damn book and try your fuckin hardest. you might surprise yourself. Be on the look out for my man Dante’s new demo The Lyrics is Important. He holdin it down for the east side. he got that gleam in his eyes, i seent it.

  • Eirik

    Hip Hop still lives,but it is all too much crap music (comercialiced etc.). I agree with this article, but for those who realy like Hip Hop, there are still good music out there:
    you should check out this
    norwegian rapper, thats a “friend” of mine.

  • Rich boy sellin crack….what the hell
    How is this hip hop??
    are you listening to the words??
    Hip Hop is not dead it is a Crackhead living in the south.

    more thoughts in my blog
    myspace.com/queendionne

  • the unfortunate and sad truth to everyone who is about 20+ years, hip hop/rap is dead and desperately in need of a rebirth or the slightest enlightment. to all u YOUNGSTERS, 20 years n younger, ALL of the “ARTISTS” and record labels r using your uneducated and unaware knowledge of the history and whut used to exist..”art”..in hiphop/rap. rap/hip hop for radio/tv’s sake has become strictly a cash game in which u do not need lyrics, intelligence, street experience, and sadly HEART…there once was a time when the East, West, Midwest, and South were all on the radio at the same time and ANYONE from any part of the country can easily listen to a rapper from another region because before the hip hop culture was perverted with bling, rims, cars, mansions, and all that non-sense that a majority of broke n poor hip hop listeners can relate to…please think about it folks, if your favortite rapper is bragging about all the clothes, jewels, and women he has because of his cash but yet u dont have any of that because u R BROKE but can still spit out a better verse than him while u r DRUNK then u really shouldnt b giving them your money. The older generation needs to put in serious work to have our hiphip sound flourish again NO MATTER WHAT REGION YOU ARE FROM and the youth seriously needs to do their history homework. peace

  • CORRECTION:

    bling, rims, cars, mansions, and all that non-sense that a majority of broke n poor hip hop listeners CANT relate to

  • i dont think hiphop has gone anywhere i think it is still here

  • WEBZ

    Im lucky enough to remember a time when nearly every hip hop track you heard on the radio in the early 80s was innovative, when i used to get a tape that had been recorded by 4 or 5 other people before i got it,so it sounded fuzzy and distorted,but id be bouncing round the house like a loony,cos it sounded wicked!!,when the artists who made this crazy music didnt have an army of slimy, two faced toads around them telling them what to record,telling them that they need to appeal to this demographic,or get that producer in, cos he’s got some corny MTV bimbo lined up to sing on your single, or get that clothing line in the video,when Hip Hop meant Breakbeat madness,when Hip Hop meant Electro When Hip Hop meant chopped up funk mashed up with Jazz,and Rock,Mantronik and Kraftwerk,and Go Go,and Yellow Magic Orchestra,and James Brown,and Led Zep Beats, any fucking music you wanted to use,and not giving a shit what some marketing dept thinks,When Afrika Bambaata,s musical eclectism and bravery were the standard that you had to aspire to,when to look and sound like everyone else was considered totally fuckin wack.As someone said earlier,anyone under 20 weaned on shite like MTV base,or corny,self important glamour mags like The Source,Vibe etc,should do a few things:1.get a few beers in the fridge.2.Watch Style Wars.3.Watch Wild Style.4 watch,read and study any thing you can find on Afrika Bambaata,Herc,Flash or any of the foundation guys (a book “Cant Stop “Wont Stop is a great place to start).5 Take a look at what utter shit surrounds you now disguising itself as Hip Hop – take a deep breath,and then go and make some fucking CRAZY MUSIC!!!.

  • MD

    Hip-Hop is definately dead. What happened to the raw, hard, beats, and amazing flow? What happened to telling a story? Nowadays it is all about “ice” and “ridez with 22’s” That’s not Hip-Hop, in my opinion. It has become so comercial, and so one-note. Completely un-original, and weak… Hip-Hop is dead. RIP.

  • Name

    I’m 16 and even I know hip hop is dead itself. I mean look at all these southern rappers they HAVE NO TALLENT. And anyone who disagrees(must be from the south) I understand you want to defend where you’re from but let’s face it the south killed Hip Hop and that’s that. They get hired by white men to make us black people look stupid. Now we have these white rappers coming out of no where?? what the FUCK let’s all get together and take these white people OUT! The other day I got harrased cause “my pants we’re sagen” and I had a black coat on….what the fuck?? all I was doing was walking to my moms car fuckin redneck wet dog fat pig faced motha fuckas thats why yo wife is a cocaine sniffer and a dick sucker who wants a life with the black man, we black men gotta realize WHAT WE HAVE aight?? spread the word these southern motha fuckas are helpin white people make BLACK PEOPLE SLAVES AGAIN!!

  • Frenchie

    ^^^^ sweetheart being only 16, you haven’t even had a chance to experience real hip-hop. Yes you may have heard the artists and probably have them memorized. However this makes you purely a fan, not a memeber of the movement. Anyways measuring talent is not up to us, nor the record label. People want to make money, so the record label will sign those who they know people will like, who makes a cute dance to go with the song, someone with something catchy. A basic crowd pleaser.

  • DEALTHEDECK

    HIP HOP IS NOT DEAD IN CANADA – K-OS IS BRINGING IT

  • Jake Oz

    Hip hop has been dead. There’s still a small group of real hip hop artists out there (ex: MF Doom, Mad Lib) but those guys are largely unheard of. Even mainstream “hip hop” artists have a dwindled audience and sponsors such as Reebok have pulled Jay-Z, 50 Cent ads and returned to sports oriented promotions. If you look at sales of most mainstream artists they have slumped heavily and everything is so cookie-cutter; just look at any music video on tv: there’s at least 20 cars and 100 girls in each video and its all a big party. Its also all boring as a result; nobody in hip hop has anything to say anymore because they cant look past that shiny thing on their wrist.

  • Mau MAu

    HIp Hop Is Dead?

    just like capitalism theory,

    Things goes up and when it reaches at a certain level,it start to fall again.

    They use our platform to get some money and they make us to look redeculous.

    Things goes up and when it reaches at a certain level,it start to fall again.

    people they forget that hip hop wasn’t for capitalist purpose, it was just for the society, that it.To fight and give people (majority) rights.

    open your eyes.

    Peace

  • N.Y

    Hip Hop is not dead…yet.Emcee’s like Nas,Ice Cube,Talib Kweli,Jigger etc are keeping it real.We need more artists like them to take it back to real rap.’2pacalypse now’ lives on.

  • Enlightenment

    It hurts when your favorite music goes into a slow death spiral. You don’t want it to end, but money grubbers have run it into the ground, and no matter how bad you want it to live, you can’t keep it alive.

    15 or 20 years from now, people will think back about the best tunes of your favorite genre, and laugh at the sorry ass wanna-bees. No different than 80’s Long-Hair Rock or 90’s Alternative Rock.

  • Enlightenment

    “Hip-Hop shot itself in the head and now it is dead, no one is to blame because they just kept doing the same.”

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    “The problem is we’ve become so used to depending on the black society to create artistic innovation that we will accept anything from that society as New Art, no matter how spurious, that we slavishly follow their lead. Poor miserable guilty white folk need some model to use to pretend they’re black-like in order to improve their melanin-challenged artistic failings. Well, it’s easier to nod your head and repeat tired rhythmic cadences than to, say, learn to play the violin.

    We are truly a bankrupt people.

    Bliffle – how nice to see a spot of honesty amongst all the screaming and yelling on this comment thread.

    Subliminal, a bunch or Israeli musicians, introduced hip-hop in Hebrew (as opposed to the American imported “product”) in 2002 in the midst of the Arab bombing campaign here.

    They were nationalistic, I-don’t-take-shit-from-anybody, proud-to-be-Israeli singers who lambasted the government, lambasted the terrorists, lambasted the bullshit artists ru(i)ning this country.

    Their introductory tune explained how they could rap in English, French, Hebrew and Arabic and reach the vast majority of Israelis that way. They borrowed from all of the many strains and national cultures who make up Israel.

    At first the government kept them off the radio. But the kids were playing the CD’s and buying them and copying them (not every Israeli teen can lay his hands on NIS 70) and singing the songs about how Netanyahu likes to take gifts and bribes and how the terrorists were going boom boom, but how we would survive anyway…

    They did a great rendition of the Hanukkah song, “bánu Hóshekh l’garésh“, which is used as a marching tune in Tzaha”l (the IDF).

    The government hit on the solution of encouraging these kids to go on tour in the United States – anything to get them out of Israel. At first the copycat groups that sprung up were as nationalistic as Subliminal, making fun of Arab terrorists for having their brains in their ass and thinking with their peckers. But the government stuck with the program, encouraging copycat groups who did the hip-hop in the Hebrew but stayed away from the politics and religion.

    Since the expulsion of Gush Qatif in 2005, and the defeat in Lebanon last year, little has been heard from the musicians of Subliminal. I have the feeling it just ain’t fun anymore for them.

    So, the government managed to kill creativity here as well…

  • DAS in S. Jersey

    I don’t know when it got to the point when JayZ and 50cent became the standards for hiphop, but that stuff is something else.

    People need to understand that there is a difference between rap and hiphop. Can you really listen to Nelly, Camron, JayZ, The Game, and have the audacity to put them in the same league as A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Jungle Brothers, Public Enemy, Doug E Fresh, or KRS One? PLEASE!!!!!!!

    Are you kidding me? Every track on the radio for the last 6+ years has sounded like the equivalent of pots and pans clanging together over a microphone, and this is called innovative?

    Come on, Ying Yang twins “whisper” is nothing but a Roland 909 drum machine playing toms up and down. As a producer myself, I could’ve never walked into a record label presenting that when I was getting into production back in 96′. But now this is called a “hot track”?

    I’m an African American born in 72′, I grew with hiphop at it’s start, and I can tell you that I’m too sad and disappointed to see that this is what it has all come to for the majority. There are plenty of phenomenal hiphop artist that are really good, and positive, but the RIAA doesn’t want to put the money into those acts. The public has been buying the garbage, and has let the media tell them what hiphop is instead of us that know better telling them how it’s defined.

    Hiphop is not bling, cars, getting hi, magnum condoms, $200k cars, guns, or drugs. Those are all criminal and dishonorable examples to live by that can eventually put you in jail, shame you for life, or take your life. Exactely what our forefathers gave their lives for to “not” be stigmatized with those names and labels. And in a matter of a decade, we have allowed all my african slave ancestors to fight for equality in vain.

    It’s all institutionalized slavery. I’m actually very happy that mainstream hiphop sales have fallen sharply. Thank GOD, it couldn’t have happened sooner! Maybe now the REAL artists with something to say will have a platform and more eager ears of interest when there’s no more ghetto/street life anthems played anymore.

    You won’t see me shed any tears for the garbage played day after day. You can’t even play a track in front of a 6 year old or a 56 year old without having to apologize. Funny how the record labels would NEVER let a Jew, Italian, Asian, German, or other race put out albums calling themselves the equivalent of the “N” word a thousand time. But it’s OK for black people to say it, while the record execs smile all the way to the bank, off of our stupidity. Black people need some pride now more than ever before.

  • hip hop is not dead it has just evolved…in my way of thinkin hip hop is at a good place now…hip hop is now a typ of genre of music…and with this evolution hip hop has broken into many different sections,like ever other genre of music….there is the commerical pop or the younger and new audience, there still is political rap out there…the ganger rap(the 50 cents of the world)and there still is good lyrical rap…i love hip hop and will alwayz will..hip hop cannt not die it will alwayz live with ous….Also i have to add that i get pissed off when i hear people say all rappers talk about is women sex violence and bling….Rock has been doing that for decades so everybody go fuck yourself if you say hip hop is dead….Canadian rap is a movement waiting to happen

  • oldtimers move over the new generation is running this shit

  • DAS in S. Jersey

    oldtimers move over the new generation is running this shit

    See this is exactely my point, it’s not about people wanting the old-school to come back, it’s people wanting the new school to step-up! That’s the point, the new school is not saying anything worth hearing. That’s the problem!

    How can you call yourself as have a new “style” by baseing all of your lyrics on derrogatory themes that no-one accepts, except people with no self-esteem or pride? I didn’t grow-up in the best of places myself as a black man, but are you going to tell me that there’s absolutely nothing to talk about except drugs, guns, violence, and women while cursing to describe all of life?

    If that’s your life, then that’s because you haven’t tried to see anything else. Would anyone want to hear about child-molestation, suicide, rapes, and or torture played on the radio every hour labelled as hiphop? I seriously doubt it, but guess what, those things unfortunately happen every minute to someone in the US and around the world. But to say that that defines life and reality and nothing else exists is just a big lie and the height of stupidity!

    No one is saying don’t discuss those topics in lyrics, but you can’t think people are too stupid to believe that you CAN’T rhyme about other things in proportion also. That’s my gripe with hiphop. There’s no truth to it anymore in mainstream. Nobody is dumb enough to believe that black people can’t do any better for themselves than to sell drugs, go to jail, remain illiterate, murder, and anything else that’s less than a human being. If you’ve done those things, then that’s because you choose those decisions in your life. Not because of the man, or the system, or because you’re black like myself. It’s because you didn’t try to do better, and that’s no fault but your own. And perpetuating that message over and over through hiphop is genocide.

    If that’s what the new-school considers as hiphop, then it truly is as dead as disco with no hope of life.

  • DAS in S. Jersey

    Oh yeah, before someone wants to make this into an old-school verses a new-school debate, which it most certianly is not, think hard about this:

    95% of all of the hiphop tracks that have been out for the past couple of years have used samples from the old-school to make your new-school albums. There is no such thing as old-school or new-school, it’s just good music period!

    It’s a hiphop thing, not a new generation thing. We are letting an innovative genre die because of mediocrity and a don’t care about anyone attitude. If your whole focus is just to get paid, at the expense of spitting poison over the microphone, then it shows why no one wants to listen to hiphop as much anymore.

    Hiphop was founded on consciousness, not just beats. There was always a meaningful message somewhere, skilled with creative production. Degrading women is not ART, period! Glorifying murder is not ART, period! It doens’t matter if it’s heavy metal, rock, punk, dance, country, salsa, or hiphop.

  • HIP HOP ANT DEAD IT JUST CHANGED ATLANTA IS THE NEW YORK OF THE SOUTH THE BEST MUSIC IS HERE SO STOP HATTIN ON US YALL HAD YALL TIME ON THE CLOCK ITS ARE TIME LET US DO ARE THANG IN ORDER FOR SOMETHING TOO BE DEAD IT CANT BE ALIVE JEEZY IS ALIVE EVEN NAS IS ALIVE SO STOP CLIAIMIN HIP HOP IS DEAD AND ROLE WITH THA TIME U DONT SEE DIPSET CRYING

  • Methuselah

    Somebody bury that dead old hiphop corpse. It’s stinking up the place.

    Good riddance.

  • Squirrel Master

    But what state is hip hop in when most chart topping rappers do not make any mention of the other three elements of the culture? No DJs, no dancers, no graf writers.

    What’s going on?

  • C*

    “HIP HOP IS NOT POP, IF YOU CALL IT THAT THEN STOP !!!” – q-tip.

    All the crap on radio is not hip hop. It’s pop hop. So why do we care about that crap. Put in some stones thow joints or the new EL-P and keep it moving. Hip Hop never died, people’s taste in music just sux. Why are you sobbing over mainstream music. I’m disgusted.

    C*

  • ALL YALL LAMES IS HATTIN ON THE SOUTH HIP HOP IS LIKE A GHOST JUS BECUASE U CANT SEE IT DONT MEEN ITS NOT THERE HIP HOP IS U SO IF HIP HOP DEAD THEN YOU ARE TOO SO STOP HATTIN BEFORE I KILL U YANKES

  • DAS

    Will some of you guys PLEASE think about what’s being said? Nobody’s hattin on anyone. This has absolutely nothing to do with a North verses South debate. It has nothing to do with NY verses Atlanta. Who cares where you’re from!

    If anything, you’ll never hear me say anything bad about the south, because I grew up nearly the first 16 years of my life in Atlanta; Decatur, GA to be specific. I know Atlanta, I know the South. I know Georgia. My mother and father’s side of the family is all from South Georgia. I still admire MC Shy D when I was growing up in ATL, which some of you are too young to know about. Some phenomenal music has come out of ATL, esepcially the whole LaFace era.

    This ain’t about a city. This is about the message behind your music. Period. I’ve heard music from my area NJ/NY and elsewhere all the way to CA, and it’s just horrible music where ever you go when it comes to hiphop nowadays. Except for the hiphop that they don’t want to play on the radio, because it educates people.

    You guys don’t get it. The record execs that are signing artists with this degrading music know that it’s keeping black people down socially. If all you ever see and hear constantly are the same negative stereotypes about black people, then it’s going to be that much harder for you to have positive goals in life to become somebody. More than likely, you will think it’s normal to have a criminal record, or to have been shot, or to have a couple of kids still living with your parent(s), or to sell drugs, or to be violent, or to be uneducated, or not to read, or a lot of other things. Know this, the streets never have, and never will love ANYBODY!

    Hiphop is supposed to make you feel proud of yourself, and educate you about your surroundings and who you are.

    We will never ever get anywhere without people LISTENING instead of thinking you know everything. This music called hiphop right now can not survive any longer like this.

    Don’t think for a moment that it’s not possible for a musical genre to die out of the mainstream or die out period. It happened to 80’s Rock, it happened to Grunge, it happened to Jazz, it happened to Disco, it happened to some Electronic music, and it happened to Classical music. It can happen to Hiphop if we don’t wake-up. And it’s already started, and could be too late.

  • HIP HOP

    “the game is dehydrated n always the same we need sme1 2 re-brainwash us wid somethin gd 2 say n b remembered 4 ever in our brain” this is a quote i made up. i think hip hop should change for the better of it, no for the life. cos i give up with ppl blaming the south, yes they r to blame cos everysingle one of em is garbage exept ludacris and maybe T.I., but wot bout NY, hmm.50, dipset, ja rule, n wot is up with puff daddys nu song “last night”. this is not hip hop, im nearly 18 n about 4 years ago i gave up with nu hip hop so i discovered some a tribe called quest, big l n 36 chambers wu tang etc. hip hop is to inform the reality of life and make everyone comfertable with themselves while listenin. the last real hip hop to come out was dre 2001, and dmx great depression. after dat not one album is good. jus because the record sales are decreasing dont mean hip hop will return to the lyrical game i.e. ny state of mind. but the media will find a way to still label hip hop for the next 5 to 10 years. after dat if this continues it will b dead like many other genres have rotted up and died. HIP HOP 4 LIFE

  • yo

    I’m 16 and even I know hip hop is dead itself. I mean look at all these southern rappers they HAVE NO TALLENT. And anyone who disagrees(must be from the south) I understand you want to defend where you’re from but let’s face it the south killed Hip Hop and that’s that. They get hired by white men to make us black people look stupid. Now we have these white rappers coming out of no where?? what the FUCK let’s all get together and take these white people OUT! The other day I got harrased cause “my pants we’re sagen” and I had a black coat on….what the fuck?? all I was doing was walking to my moms car fuckin redneck wet dog fat pig faced motha fuckas thats why yo wife is a cocaine sniffer and a dick sucker who wants a life with the black man, we black men gotta realize WHAT WE HAVE aight?? spread the word these southern motha fuckas are helpin white people make BLACK PEOPLE SLAVES AGAIN!!

    Yo, kid I dont know where your from, but your a little outta line with the racist shit! There is a lot of dumbass white people out there along with a lot of dumbass black people too, ya know?

  • marquette

    i think hip hop is kinda dead i mean all they rally talk about is think they ave and wat they do it yeah i listen to it bit i noticed it they might say sumthin like shoot u in da head layin on da ground bleedin u dead u know stuff like that but not every body is lik dat (Nas 2pac) and more

  • marquette

    yo let me spit one 4 you how dey do it : (yo call my friends call my grl have sent up or even called up maybe hauled up bitch igot e-nuf money 2 have all up shot up hung up bagged up and stabbed up u wont problems nigga sugget u bag up i sit bac eat cake and wach da money pile up u n my face suggest u bag up i have ya face leanin bac like fat joe in da club i carry sumthin wit a lil mo powa den a snub)dat was off da top of da head it be like dat but not all hip hop rappers rap like dat they actually talk about things but yeah i still listen to it

  • mcnipplez

    that rap was gay bro

  • ~Beba~

    I think hip hop is dead cause hip hop is not the same anymore its all about how many girls the fuck and gow many hoes they got and the cars they drive and hip hop is not about any of that.

  • doo doo head

    hip to da hop is dead son

  • WEBZ

    Controversy: U.S Hip Hop had a Fucking BIG wake up Call,When Goldies “Timeless” dropped.Although it didnt sell well in the u.s,it scared the shit out of a lot of lazy producers.Jungle/Drum n Bass has been the music that has taken what was great about Hip Hop without bending over and spreading its asscheeks for approval from the mainsteam.Some of you younger Producers need to stop trying to imitate Dre/Neptunes etc,and take a few risks.Goldie is a well respected graff writer ,and he applied that mentality to his music – pure hip hop. He did a track with KRS ONE (Digital),ICE T came to the u.k and was stunned by the scene he found,and was an active supporter of it.The breakbeat scenes around the world would fuck up ANY of the that corny shit that fills the airwaves/t.v/mags today.Modern mainstream hip hop can come test Drum n Bass,and get its flabby ass kicked from here to eternity,but most of em diss drum n bass,cos its too crazy,and not “polished” enough,You find better Hip Hop in France,and Brazil,than in the U.S…The reason….its the money..Style Wars forever.

  • justin

    yep its dead ,i remember 3d, hijack and mc duke .all inovative and educated as pe said “caught now in court cos i stole a beat this is a sampling sport “well written and inovative production from the bomb squad oh and 3rd bass proof you can be white and be good at this (take note m and m)but seriously drop the chains and the product placement blow the dust off the wheels of steel and get back to the way it should be ,peace!

  • Folks, let’s wake up form deluding ourselves. “Hip Hop” is like a mangy dog staggering through the streets and foaming at its mouth. Let it die a deserved death! Put it out of its misery. It is about time for the youth to show some creativity and create a brand new street music or culture to replace it because NOTHING good is coming from the sickning and monotonous din of today with every other word being n—a, M—f–er, ad nauseum, encouraging the violence and ignorance that we see in too many commuities today.

    I grew up with hip hop, but I for one will shed no tears over its needed demise and will gladly shout,”Good riddance to bad rubbish.”

  • Rock N Roll is dead. Oh, wait …

    Just like Slayer is not Poison is not Linkin Park, hip-hop is not one thing.

    Hip-hop is a wide river. You can swing your legs on the banks or dive in. The more you swim in the mainstream, the more tired you get.

    Get out of the mainstream for awhile, long enough to dry off. Dip your toes in smaller ponds.

  • Abe

    hip hop is dead its all these damn dance songs like laffy taffy, sholder lean etc.

  • San

    It’s not dead but it is dying, the question is what are we going to do to save it. Would Pac and Big go with this radio flow? It’s up to the top artist. They have to show the yourh the way. Big radio is playing Flip-Flop. This must all come to a stop…

  • I also love the unintended irony. This was written in 2002.

    – Temple

  • real hip hop

    The south does NOT represent real hip hop! Not hating, just the truth! Dont get mad cause your from the south (souf). Your shit it country pop music, NOT HIP HOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Dont disrespect our culture by calling shit like young dro, shoulder lean shit, young cheesy, Real hip hop becasue it’s not!!!!!!!!!

  • WEBZ

    I Just wish MTV/The mainstream media would declare Hip Hop dead,Then all the fucking clones,posers money grabbing,trend obssesed sheep that have infested hip hop over the last 15 years (black and white),will fuck off,and wait to be spoonfed something else – See aint you worked it out yet? buying $200 sneakers,cos 50 cent,or another “Rapper” says they are the shit,dont make you the same – it just means you have NO STYLE OF YOUR OWN!,Stop reading The Source,XXL etc – its all glorified toilet paper with pretty pictures!You cant let these devious bastards dictate what you buy,your opinion matters a lot more than some self serving gimp,whos getting paid good review-ola!! -If it sounds like shit -then thats what it is -and no amount of gloss can cover that up. (just because you sprinkle sugar on shit,it dont make it cornflakes!!)Just look behind the hyped up garbage and you will find some great hip hop, you just cant be lazy and small minded – get out there and look.If you cant find what you want to hear …grow a pair,and make it yourself!

  • goldenchild

    I think that rap is dead. Hip Hop will never die. Essentially Hip Hop music is spoken word poetry accompanied by a beat. However, the traditional elements of Hip Hop (DJing, Graffiti, Breakdancing & MCing) have been exploited and simplified into corporate marketing tools in recent years. Rap is the mainstream, pre-packaged, dumbed down sound we hear on the radio everyday. Today’s Rap focuses more upon flaunting attractive mediated visual images than actually attempting to make good music. Flashy images of beautiful half-naked women, fancy european autos and expensive clothes & jewelry lure us in to watching these rappers’ stupid music videos. Not to mention all rap lyrics have become violent, criminal-minded, mysogynistic, materialistic and generally devoid of any intelligence. Mainstream rap music has become stagnant art form. Rap music has become a big joke. Hip Hop music is becoming very much like Jazz music. Jazz music, like Rap music, was a very innovative groundbreaking musical genre pioneered by black people that became watered down when it became popular with white mainstream audiences.

  • Shawn

    You know that an art is dead when you can turn on the radio and hear a “rapper” say three words that are not even in the English language and sell hundreds of thousands of records because they rhyme
    Case in point – ” ay ba baa “

  • rhode3

    i wouldn’t say hip hop is dead but it damn sure is on life support,why aren’t there songs like my mind playing tricks on me? why aren’t there songs like straight up menance??? where the hell is AZ at with life’s a bitch???? why can i lean and rock to every damn song on the radio??? im 15 years old (i know ima youngin) but i was lucky enough to have older cousins that exposed me to some real shit like bone thugs,pac, biggie, etc…. how many gurls my age can actually say dat nas is there favorite rapper and not lil wayne… to make a long story short here is a verse from real hip hop: Visualizin the realism of life and actuality
    Fuck who’s the baddest a person’s status depends on salary
    And my mentality is, money orientated
    I’m destined to live the dream for all my peeps who never made it
    cause yeah, we were beginners in the hood as five percenters
    But somethin must of got in us cause all of us turned to sinners
    Now some, restin in peace and some are sittin in San Quentin
    Others such as myself are tryin to carry on tradition
    Keepin the schwepervesence street ghetto essence inside us
    Cause it provides us with the proper insight to guide us
    Even though, we know somehow we all gotta go
    but as long as we leavin thievin we’ll be leavin with some kind of dough
    so, and to that day we expire and turn to vapors
    me and my capers-ll be somewhere stackin plenty papers
    Keepin it real, packin steel, gettin high
    Cause life’s a bitch and then you die… and here is ur everyday bullshit:I’m lookin fa Mrs. Bubble Gum
    I’m Mr. Chik-O-Stick
    I wanna (dun dun dunt) (oh)
    Cuz you so thick….. enuff said

  • I Just wish MTV/The mainstream media would declare Hip Hop dead,Then all the fucking clones,posers money grabbing,trend obssesed sheep that have infested hip hop over the last 15 years (black and white),will fuck off,and wait to be spoonfed something else – See aint you worked it out yet? buying $200 sneakers,cos 50 cent,or another “Rapper” says they are the shit,dont make you the same – it just means you have NO STYLE OF YOUR OWN!,Stop reading The Source,XXL etc – its all glorified toilet paper with pretty pictures!You cant let these devious bastards dictate what you buy,your opinion matters a lot more than some self serving gimp,whos getting paid good review-ola!! -If it sounds like shit -then thats what it is -and no amount of gloss can cover that up. (just because you sprinkle sugar on shit,it dont make it cornflakes!!)Just look behind the hyped up garbage and you will find some great hip hop, you just cant be lazy and small minded – get out there and look.If you cant find what you want to hear …grow a pair,and make it yourself – Like i do

  • Willing to bet I know more bout Hip Hop than you and I’m 16.

    ^^^^ sweetheart being only 16, you haven’t even had a chance to experience real hip-hop. Yes you may have heard the artists and probably have them memorized. However this makes you purely a fan, not a memeber of the movement. Anyways measuring talent is not up to us, nor the record label. People want to make money, so the record label will sign those who they know people will like, who makes a cute dance to go with the song, someone with something catchy. A basic crowd pleaser.”

    Bullshit. That’s like saying Einstein wasn’t old enough to learn stuff that happened in the Renaissance.

    “ALL YALL LAMES IS HATTIN ON THE SOUTH HIP HOP IS LIKE A GHOST JUS BECUASE U CANT SEE IT DONT MEEN ITS NOT THERE HIP HOP IS U SO IF HIP HOP DEAD THEN YOU ARE TOO SO STOP HATTIN BEFORE I KILL U YANKES”

    Stop talking. I live in the South and I say it’s dead also.

  • A 36 Year Old in Ohio

    This is probably going to offend fans of Hip-Hop, but what I’m about to say is brutally honest.

    Plagiarism has been the mainstay of Hip-Hop from the start. Mixing existing music samples together to create new “music”. It’s a bastardization of real “music”.

    Anyone can buy an Akai MPC-1000 and have a song put together in a matter of minutes (search YouTube for MPC-1000). In fact, most of the so-called Hip-Hop “artists” use an MPC. Once you see how these machines operate you understand that it really doesn’t take a lot of talent to put together a “song” from various samples.

    What’s left? The lyrics? How hard is it to come up with rhyming sentences? It’s not difficult. The delivery takes inflection and a bit of slang, but really–isn’t that what ebonics is?

    Hip-Hop is limited by its own design. People tend to outgrow it and move on to other more mature genres. Hip-Hop’s main theme has always been egoism. Something most level-headed people find childish and pointless.

    It doesn’t help that Hip-Hop “music” is rife with commercialism, materialism, voilence, sex, drugs, profanity and immorality. One can only stand so much before it becomes tiresome and old.

    Hip-Hop should be renamed Re-Hash, because that’s all it is, music rehashed with new lyrics. It’s not even singing, it’s someone rhyming to a beat and a chorus sample.

    So many other genres of music are thriving with new talent, new sounds and a positive message. Meanwhile, Hip-Hop continues to be a blight on society. There are better, more positive ways for black people to express themselves. One only has to look at the 60’s and 70’s to find loads of great music from black musicians. Even R&B is suffering because of Hip-Hop influence. It’s God-awful and half the “artists” can’t even sing. Marvin Gaye must be rolling in his grave.

  • hip hop has cancer

    Hip hop isn’t dead, it has cancer. Cancer called souljah boi. His stuff sounds good but his lyrics are crap, and thats the problem with hip hop, the lyrics. Really these artistes need to get their shit together and start trying to help blacks. I mean we were abused and beaten by whitey, so why the hell are we holding ourselves down?

  • no name

    man hip hop is dead only mainstream but underground is where real hip hop is at,you got rappers like killa wali,magno,z-ro,etc and much more dat nigga killa wali be spittin real shit check him out!

  • it’s not dead never will be
    it’s all in the music
    ppl just spit shit with no meaning we need more hilltop hoods
    then it’s alive and kickin
    but fuck man eminem needs to go back 2 1999 when he was it not shit

  • Lyrics are what is lacking, thought is what is lacking, spirit is what is lacking… compare the following to ANY song made in the past 5 years(this post was created in 2002) I challenge anyone to find anything that compares:

    Knowledge is the key to the mind which is a mysterious doorway
    through a long dark hallway
    Use your conscious as a compass to avoid being conquered by nonsense,
    use your subconscious as a map
    Once it’s time to head back use your food for thought and leave breadtracks
    Now we can see the third eye, swift as a bird fly
    You need common sense as a detour
    Up ahead there lies three doors for you to see more
    you might have to meditate to the soft melodies from a keyboard
    Understanding is your flashlight
    It reflects the windows to your past life
    No psychiatrics could raid you from off the mattress
    As you fall deeper, hypnotized you better read my lips
    cause that’s the guide,
    out the hallways of the negative
    which is always competitive;
    therefore you must never let it live

    Seek and you shall find
    Expand the mind, seek and you shall find

    -Killah Priest
    Tai Chi

  • TONY2DOGGS

    1. WHO CARES? NOBODY PAYS FOR MUSIC ANYMORE WE CAN ONLY BLAME OURSELVES REALLY, ITS LIKE SOMEONE GIVING YOU A CAR AND YOU GETTING PISSED ITS A HUNK OF CRAP,ITS THE SAME EFFECT ON MUSIC,WITH DECREASED ALBUM SALES RISING MONTHLY????IF YOU WERE A STARVING ARTIST WOULD YOU STILL PAINT THE MONA LISA???

    2. QUESS WHO IS THE MAGORITY IN AMERICA ?? I BET ITS NOT YOU. MEXICANS DONT LISTEN TO RAP THEY DONT BUY IT EITHER.SO UNTIL MY LITTLE WETBACK FRIENDS START COME OUT WITH A RAP CD IT WOULD GET REVIVED AGAIN AND BECOME POPULAR ONCE MORE,EVERYTHING WILL GO TO A LATIN INFLUENCE FROM FOOD TO ENTERTAINMENT,WITH WHATEVR THE MAJORITY ETHNIC RULE IS..AND SINCE THE BIG LIPPED SPOOKS ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE MAGORITY CHAIN ALL THEY CAN GET RIGHT NOW IS CRUMBS.

  • Ray

    Hip hop has always been a joke, now people see that. Amazing that it took so long!

  • panther

    hip hop is dead as much as rock and roll is dead, in that: it is and it isn’t. i think when people say something like “hip hop is dead” they mean that “the art of this type of music is no longer making money”. rock as a genre is a little older than hip hop by about 30 years give or take a couple years.if you compare the best selling rock albums now to those of its “adolescence” (in the 60’s and 70’s) than of course you could draw the conclusion that ‘real rock and roll is dead’. prolific ARTISTS, real artists, like led zeppelin and the beatles were not only making really beautiful artistic works but selling lots of records AND making lots of money as well. those two things, art and money, cannot really coexist (at least to the extent that it once did) in today’s climate of immediate gratification, over exposure, quantity over quality, a generally dumbed down populace, and of course mp3 technology and alternative music resources (i.e. downloading, torrents, ringtones, etc.). And while the whole social networking revolution has given opportunities for literally anyone to be heard, it’s also flooded the market and speaking purely economically, that’s always a bad thing. this fact is true across the board, with every genre, not just rock but hip hop as well.

    the same pattern that lead to mainstream rock’s demise was followed by hip hop: first the art was selling because that’s all it was when it first came out: art, nothing more, nothing less (not yet anyway), just like any other sort of genre of music. only when it becomes a lucrative tool for big business does the good stuff finally sink to the bottom where all good things eventually go through the mainstream filter. it doesn’t take a hipster or two to realize that all the good stuff is in the underground where money isn’t corrupting the art because there’s simply no money to be made down there. and if your down there you’re there because you’re only concerned with the truth of the art and your passion for making it every day (or you and/or your group is very good and no one wants to buy your rubbish). This is where punk and DIY ethics were born, in direct response to all the bullshit ‘above’ them. People have been claiming ‘punk is dead’ but they mean it in the same way that i’ve presented it: that it’s not making money, and in that vein punk has always been dead. when people started to make money out of the art, the real heads who knew what’s up said ‘this shit is dead’. its the same damn thing going on with hip hop.

    if anything,i believe we’re amidst some sort of independent renaissance because smart people are banding together under the realization that the mainstream has a: let us down and b: it’s no place for us anyway. now big business is turning to independent labels and indie kids (of both rock and hip hop tastes) for new ideas to sell their products because they’re starting to realize that you can only drain so much from bling,sex,and violence and they’re ready to exploit the next big thing. you hear our songs (i’m speaking from a fan’s perspective here obviously) in apple advertisements, car commercials, movies, etc. they know we’re the cool kids and that we listen to good music and big business always looks to the trend setters and taste purveyors of the time because if they can exploit them they know the masses will follow.

    but if you think hip hop as an art form is dead, you’re just not getting your hands dirty enough because some of my favorite MC’s of all time have come out in the past five or ten years when this whole decline was supposedly happening. Mikey Rocks,Inglish and the whole Cool Kids clique out of chicago (kid sister, pase, a-trak, the whole fools gold gang im telling you chi-town is the new hip hop mecca), Britain’s MIA, Aesop, Lupe, OUTKAST (albeit, a little weak as of late),MIGHTY MOS,DEL,The Roots, ,MF Doom,EDAN,dead prez, are you serious people?? Real hip hop is fucking everywhere. And I’m not just talking about introverted melodramatic “conscious ” hip hop (although i’ll take that over the radio bullshit any day), I’m talking about real fans of the genre having fun, smiling in pictures, and rocking it like their bringing 88 back for real, not just condescending to you but moving you inside and out. The spirit of hip hop’s golden age is there and it’s not just nostalgia, it’s the genuine revitalizing of a spirit that’s been gone for a long time.

    The real problems aren’t with hip hop, it’s with people. Rich White Business People need to stop exploiting others for money and on the same coin young black people need to have some pride and not give in to the ugliest minstrel show in history and still on this increasingly complex coin; the government should perhaps think about taking their heads out of their own asses and stop spending money on themselves and foreign oil and put some of that money into a failing educational system so young black men could develop positive role models and feel less inclined to let some rich white business man exploit him and turn him into a stereotype on tv that will then be used by some suburban white folks against more young black people. the problems we are witnessing in hip hop don’t just have to do with musical trends.

    radio rock turned to shit but at least the only negative stereotypes it perpetuates are that white people are pansies with broken hearts or they’re incredibly depressed or introverted to a fault or they miss Jesus; things (some) people would be inclined to sympathize with (sometimes). Unfortunately the hip hop that most of America is listening to does nothing but promote negative stereotypes of blacks mainly but other minorities and poor people as a whole. These nihilistic images of materialism, sex, and violence are shaping not only white America’s view of black people but black America’s view of themselves. It’s a destructive cycle that I’m afraid is doing unrepairable damage to the general psyche of the nation, warping our perceptions of each other, promoting racism from all corners (even within races), and it’s undoing entire generations’ work of civil rights and activism so we could coexist peacefully as Americans.

    I’m happy to say that real hip hop, the art of storytelling and rhyme, does exist but if true ‘hip hop’ means setting positive examples for young people especially young black kids, and conveying ideas of community, strength, pride, freedom, UNITY, love and heartache, promoting literacy and knowledge about the society and the world we live in,rocking a party, telling a good story, encouraging individualism, knowing thyself?…then yes, “hip hop” as it once was is in fact dead. we don’t need to change hip hop, it’s there and it’ll be there, we need to change people and ideas and the bigger issues that play a part in this whole thing.

    everyone can start by turning off the motherfucking television.

    god damn i feel old.

  • Delia

    Wow, great article. It really made me reflect on the part of the workers in South Africa and Puff D. forgetting about his people…

  • M.c solosound

    I don’t think it’s dead. By it I mean hip hop there is still hip hop in this world no mater what but I will agree it’s dieing we need m.c’s that can deliver and make sense.the underground needs to stand up and say hey I’m an “authentic hip hoper” and say “my dialect is most rivading” we want something or someone to come out and revive hip hop

  • KZ-Roc

    God almighty – What the hell is going on? I have been a hip hop fan for 26 years.Hip Hop ( the music side) is in the same place rock was in the late 80s – where image is more important than content. If you want Hip Hop To be real, stop being brainwashed little sheep trotting off to buy your “Hip Hop Mags” and equating record sales to quality – thats just marketing – Britanny Spears sells more than any “Rap Star” !! For gods sake have faith in you own personal opinions and stop looking for validation from others – if it sounds like crap, then thats all it is – end of story,Hip Hop wont die , all of the posers, money grabbing con “artistes” and trend obssesed idiots are starting to move away – and i say good riddance! You dont have to have bling and all the superficial crap to be hip hop – you have to have passion and heart ,and you own damn mind! http://www.myspace.com/kzroc

  • Keezy

    No it just moved to the south

  • Nikki

    I am an optimistic person so I would like to think hip hop isn’t dead, just changed dramatically. If you look hard enough you could find some good mainstream and underground rap/hip hop. Don’t get me wrong I love old skool but music has to progress,but also I think dumb artist like gucci mane should really start to be more creative with their lyrics and more meaningful. P3ACE

  • Music Head

    Hip hop is DEAD. Who nowadays can match up with a Rakim, Nas, Big Daddy Kane, Biggie or Tupac? Create a movement like the Wu Tang, NWA, or Public Enemy? Tell a story like Slick Rick? Who nowadays spit knowledge like KRS-One or kick a soulful tune like De La Soul or A Tribe Called Quest? Do something groundbreaking like Run DMC? Nobody, because Hip hop is DEAD. Where are the female rappers? What happened to dope beats? What happened to originality?

    The difference between the mess on the radio now and the old hip hop is that old hip hop music was REAL and it had something called TALENT!

    Simple and plain if you think mainstream hip hop is alive on July 6, 2010 you are either:

    A. Young and don’t know no better.

    B. New to hip hop and don’t know no better.

    C. Brain dead like hip hop now.

  • Mariah Carey’s body can feed 15 starving zoo alligators now…Yes, hip hop is dying.

  • KAiMiK

    In a way I can see both sides to hip hop either dead or alive… but personally I think it could make a comeback if the rappers we have could write some old school shit and add a bangin beat, but its a money game and none of them would do it… take Nas for example, one of the most influencial rappers of all time, i think someone of his calibur could tear the speakers to shreds, either old school or new school… bring back hip hop, it aint dead its just resting

  • KAiMiK

    MUSIC HEAD:

    Simple and plain if you think mainstream hip hop is alive on July 6, 2010 you are either:

    A. Young and don’t know no better.

    B. New to hip hop and don’t know no better.

    C. Brain dead like hip hop now.

    WHY BRING PEOPLE DOWN LIKE THAT… LET US BELIEVE WHAT WE WANNA BELIEVE… AFTER BEIN ON THIS EARTH FOR 29 YEARS, I THINK I WOULD KNOW HIP HOP… WHAT DYOU KNOW?

  • MUSIC HEAD

    @ KAiMiK

    Well, I do know that its not as good as it use to be. Particularly urban radio. That’s the problem. We keep on sayin that hip hop isn’t dead yet it hasn’t progressed in the last DECADE. Some say that it’s alive underground but it sounds like they just grasping for straws.

    At 31, I see the craft as restricted, dumbed down, and stale.

    Nas, “One of the most influential rappers of all time” as you eloquently put it, recorded an album a few years ago titled “Hip Hop is Dead”.

    So I say it’s dead man, it’s over. That era is gone. As much as I hate to say it…

  • k

    Its moving to North West Europe. Britain, Norway and Sweden recently have been better than America at rap. However, i doubt any of these countries will ever be better than America was 10-20 years ago so i personally hope it returns to where it belongs. Don’t believe Europe could produce good mc’s? Give it a try start off listening to lowkey he is the best

  • Hip Hop is just buried underground, still alive, slowly clawing its way out.

  • Mainstream hip-hop is just a beat. It’s not music. There’s no message. Early in hip-hop, there used to be two types of artists… the party rappers and the real emcee’s. Today, there are almost no real emcee’s in the mainstream, and the party rappers are crap. Party rap in itself was NOT hip-hop in the early days, but now the big record labels and media moguls have made you believe that this crap on the radio is real hip-hop.

    That underground hip-hop has a message is exactly my point in an article I wrote on my site.

  • AntiPrefabartist

    Im lucky enough to remember a time when nearly every hip hop track you heard on the radio in the early 80s was innovative, when i used to get a tape that had been recorded by 4 or 5 other people before i got it,so it sounded fuzzy and distorted,but id be bouncing round the house like a loony,cos it sounded wicked!!,when the artists who made this crazy music didnt have an army of slimy, two faced toads around them telling them what to record,telling them that they need to appeal to this demographic,or get that producer in, cos he’s got some corny MTV bimbo lined up to sing on your single, or get that clothing line in the video,when Hip Hop meant Breakbeat madness,when Hip Hop meant Electro When Hip Hop meant chopped up funk mashed up with Jazz,and Rock,Mantronik and Kraftwerk,and Go Go,and Yellow Magic Orchestra,and James Brown,and Led Zep Beats, any fucking music you wanted to use,and not giving a shit what some marketing dept thinks,When Afrika Bambaata,s musical eclectism and bravery were the standard that you had to aspire to,when to look and sound like everyone else was considered totally fuckin wack.As someone said earlier,anyone under 20 weaned on shite like MTV base,or corny,self important glamour mags like The Source,Vibe etc,should do a few things:1.get a few beers in the fridge.2.Watch Style Wars.3.Watch Wild Style.4 watch,read and study any thing you can find on Afrika Bambaata,Herc,Flash or any of the foundation guys (a book “Cant Stop “Wont Stop is a great place to start).5 Take a look at what utter shit surrounds you now disguising itself as Hip Hop – take a deep breath,and then go and make some fucking CRAZY MUSIC!!!