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Even though many women’s groups supporting abortion rights condemned CBS and wanted the Tebow Family Ad pulled from the Super Bowl commercial line-up, claiming that somehow it would undermine a women’s right to choose, millions of Americans viewed it yesterday. Not knowing what to expect and most holding on to a tight opinion either for or against, the Tebow Family ad didn’t quite measure up to the hype; however, Tim Tebow tackled his mom!

Reactions to the commercial were swift and mixed. According to today’s Los Angeles Times, Charmaine Yoest, president of Americans United for Life, had this to say, “Focus on the Family has really been strategic. They went with the old adage ‘less is more’, and they put a positive message out there.” Likewise, Marjorie Dannenfelser of the Susan B. Anthony List, which supports candidates who oppose abortion, was pleased. “Wow, this is so benign,” she said. “It’s a story of a mother’s strength. That is the message that I saw.” Still, the attacks against the Tebow Family Ad rage on; Terry O’Neill, president of NOW, stated, “I am blown away at the celebration of the violence against women in it.” “That’s what comes across to me even more strongly than the anti-abortion message. I myself am a survivor of domestic violence, and I don’t find it charming. I think CBS should be ashamed of itself,” O’Neill added. Abortion advocate, Amanda Marcotte, shortly following the premier of the ad, posted this “tweet” on her Twitter page: “Hey Mom! Tried to kill you from the womb and failed. How about a blind side tackle? Violence against Moms.”

Cries from the depths of activism are now asserting that the Tebow Family Ad promotes domestic violence; yet, not a peep on how 88-year-old Betty White was tackled into the mud in a TV Super Bowl Ad? Maybe they are coming to rescue Betty, soon! And what about Abe?

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  • Ruvy

    All those angry losers in the “feminist” movement just can’t give up, Christine. Their insistence on shoving their ideology down everyone’s throats is really amusing to me because I don’t have to live with it here.

    NOW sold out women long ago, and NARAL’s founders now regret their acts. American women still earn less than their male couterparts, and “women’s work” – child rearing – is still undervalued in the American economy.

    What does that tell you about these “feminist” groups? It tells me that they are good at feathering their own nests and nobody else’s. What’s new under the sun, Christine?

  • Ruvy

    Even this old commentary makes more sense than these “womens” groups harping on a lousy TV ad….

  • Arch Conservative

    NOW is not a womens’ rights group. NOW is a left wing political group pretending to be a womens’ rights organization.

    The ad was in fact benign and in no way endorsed violence against women. The ad featured a FOOTBALL player jokingly tackling his mom and was run during a FOOTBALL game. To all you man hating, flannel, wearing, crew cut dikes at NOW…..tackling is something that’s part of FOOTBALL!

    Terry O’Neill and Amanda Marcotte are idiots plain and simple.

    Nuff said.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Hey Ruvy and Arch: It is just craziness!

  • Arch Conservative

    Yeah I guess NOW and NARAL never got the memo that they don’t speak for all American women.

    But between NOW and NWLA (Northwest Lumberjack Alliance) I’ve managed to make a killing buying and selling flannel in the commodities market.

  • zingzing

    the part i liked best was that the ad followed another ad featuring football players tackling their elders. it was just so strange. what was that ad that came out several years ago? was it terry tate, office assistant? i may have the name wrong. that was funny… at least at the time.

    now, i wasn’t paying close attention, but did they even mention the word abortion in the ad? i suppose i could go look it up.

  • Baronius

    There’s a long-standing belief in feminist circles that watching football encourages violence against women. Snopes has an article disproving the myth that Superbowl Sunday is the worst day for domestic violence against women. The myth is pretty widespread.

    Feminists had already made this association, and were ready to denounce the Tebow ad anyway. So instead of seeing a slightly-sappy family message, they saw a son beating up his mother.

    Good article, Christine. I’ve been enjoying your recent articles a lot more. (I’m not saying that you were a bad writer before. This is supposed to be a compliment. Article writing is a specific skill, and you’re getting better at it.)

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Hey Zing: the Tebow ad is right here and no mention of abortion; in fact if you didn’t know about the controversy, you wouldn’t even know what the ad was about.

    Baronius: Why thank you. I have only been writing since 2008 and still finding my way!

  • zingzing

    christine: “in fact if you didn’t know about the controversy, you wouldn’t even know what the ad was about.”

    not sure that’s a ringing endorsement. i was off getting another beer at the time it aired, and my friends were all yelling at me to get back in there (so much so that they pretty much missed it as well), and by the time i got back in (my friend is the owner of the worst bottle opener of all time), tebow was tackling his mother and everyone was staring at the tv with blank, “wtf is going on here?” eyes.

    i asked how it was and all they could say was “i don’t really know.” it is fantastically vague.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Christine,

    I’ve considered myself to be a feminist for many years, and I certainly did not see violence against a mother when I watched that commercial. I saw love! :)

    What really irked me, was that the message to eat healthy by Peta was removed and replaced by Denny’s heart-attack- breakfast, Taco bell’s grease, and Dr. Pepper’s high-fructose-corn-syrup!

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Yeah vague; I think that was the general idea and the end shows the Focus on the Family website. Did you look at it yourself?

    The problem with these women’s groups who are attacking this ad, is that if they are REALLY for “choice,” they would want both sides of the issue to be viewed. And as far as these women that see violence in the message, maybe they were smokin’ pot or had too many bud lights. Not sure, however, I stay clear of most women’s groups because I have never quite fit in. Even when I attempted a women’s bible study group and a business one; all they did was gossip and flatter each other! Big turn-off for me, so I stand the “lone ranger!”

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Christine,

    You know, if we can’t all laugh with each other when Betty White-one of this countries great comedic actors- has the gumption to do a physically demanding commercial like this at her age, then, we should go buy a sense of humor.

    :] LOL?

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Jeannie, I am so glad to hear that! Wow, didn’t know about the new PETA ad, and the Denny’s commercial was lame. I love animals, so that is where I would rather take my fight!

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    I like lone rangers. :)

    see ya later, Christine.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Christine,

    opps! Did I do that?

    The Peta comercial that was posted on your other article. Remember? Last Sunday, I think…

    I have changed my mind and heart totally towards abortion since I’ve gotten older..God, how many people could exist right now to help us all…makes you cry…

    I had an uncle who’s girlfriend died in a back-ally abortion in the forties. She was too ashamed to go through her life as an un-wed mother. So, I always thought abortion should be a choice.

    Of course , if my un-wed mother had aborted me, then, you and I would have never met.

    :]-It’s good to be alive!

  • Baronius

    All Superbowl ads are confusing and don’t provide any reason to buy their products.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    J: Awwwww; that is sweet.

    The PETA ad was for last year; not this year. Thought you found a new one. Okay, gotta walk my dog in the rain. Have a great day!

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    The problem with these women’s groups who are attacking this ad, is that if they are REALLY for “choice,” they would want both sides of the issue to be viewed.

    I pretty much agree with that. The ad did not strike me as opposing choice. I saw it as attending to part of what reasonably might be expected to be a consideration for a woman making that decision. Abortion is a decision with consequences for a lifetime. I don’t think ignoring or denying any aspect of that decision. And the ad did, in my opinion, spell out an important aspect.

    Also, though I am pro-choice, my preference would be to aim toward a society that did not require abortion to prevent loss of opportunity–one in which mothers with children were not placed in a disadvantaged position.

    That, to me, would truly be supportive to women.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    correction: I don’t think ignoring or denying any aspect of that decision [is wise].

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    I’m left wondering if the problem is not largely opposition to the group that placed the ad rather than the ad itself.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Cindy; good insight. Yes, they hate Focus on the Family, but they are shooting themselves in the foot by their stupidity. We and they should focus more on preventing unwanted pregnancies! And as a Christian, I would “preach abstenance” (age appropriate of course) followed with “just in case condoms!”

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    “women’s work” – child rearing – is still undervalued in the American economy

    That sums it up for me Ruvy. Perfect.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    [shakes head is dismay but is not surprised]

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    [shakes head IN dismay again at failure to proofread before hitting Post Comment button]

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    You know, I’ve been watching media coverage of the First Lady’s new program with regard to childhood obesity. As I scan through the cable news channels I am struck that FOX News places little or no importance in focusing on this endeavor. And I thought about it. Where’s Focus on the Family? They are so damned concerned about “family” that they really do NOTHING to help families thrive — especially children.

    FOX News perpetuates fat. I’ll bet that the majority of FOX News aficionados are overweight. Rupert Murdoch and his organization don’t want you to be healthy. They want you to sit your ass in front of the TV and watch their programming. They want YOUR demographic so they can charge exorbitant prices for advertising those burgers for a buck on their network.

    Rather than continue this divisive battle between groups of thought, we should be coming together to fight a real problem — childhood obesity. But in fighting that problem, children might get more oxygen to their brains. They may come to the realization that the American way of life is quite toxic to the physical and spiritual self. Focusing on families isn’t about teaching Scripture and killing homosexuals. Of course, that’s what THEY want you to think. They want you to believe that their “focus” is a righteous cause which helps make America strong. Hmm. Hitler and bin Laden used that paradigm.

    We finally get a First Lady who is trying to make a positive difference. Yet she’s being ignored. It just doesn’t drive ratings. It doesn’t help Rupert Murdoch make more money. We’ve become so obsessed with these so called “national” issues to the point where we’ve forgotten that real change begins in our neighborhoods – one street at a time. And it MUST begin with women — mothers in particular. If Focus on the Family had their way women would be the property of men. They talk a good game but when it comes to respect and equality for the genders they’re sorely lacking.

    As I close, I’m going to do something really fun. I’m going to get up — walk away from the computer, shut off the television and go for a walk. After I’m done I’ll pop by my favorite coffee shop and get an iced coffee. And I’ll chat with the three young women who I see on a daily basis. And I’ll impart the same message I give on my daily visits — you, young women, are our future. You, young women, have the power to change the world one kid at a time. You, young women, deserve better than the women who cam ebefore you — settle for nothing less.

    Screw Focus on the Family — they’re in it for the money and political clout. They don’t give a rat’s ass about families. Why? Because Hillary said it DOES take a village to raise a child. And we all know that anything Hillary says is the Devil’s work and anything we can do to stop her will make Jesus happy.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Silas; I was just thinking about childhood obesity: after all that is what I do. I even wrote a diet book that includes Fitness Superheroes and Diet Villains! Hoping it will catch on soon and become an animated TV series and video game for children!!!

    MY DIVA DIET mission: E.C.L. Empower- Challenge-Legacy
    To empower women so that they can get into great shape, to challenge them to be better women, and to ensure a legacy of good health for the next generation!

  • Ruvy

    Silas,

    As I close, I’m going to do something really fun. I’m going to get up — walk away from the computer, shut off the television and go for a walk. After I’m done I’ll pop by my favorite coffee shop and get an iced coffee. And I’ll chat with the three young women who I see on a daily basis. And I’ll impart the same message I give on my daily visits — you, young women, are our future. You, young women, have the power to change the world one kid at a time. You, young women, deserve better than the women who came before you — settle for nothing less.

    If there were a coffee shop in Ma’ale Levona, I would do the same as you intend to do. But to get to a coffee shop to drink a coffee for 10 shekels, first I need to spend 12 shekels and an hour and a quarter to get to Jerusalem – and then another 12 shekels (and another hour and quarter) to come home. It just ain’t worth it.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Ruvy; you are too funny!

  • http://joannehuspek.wordpress.com Joanne Huspek

    I thought this was the most innocuous ad I’ve ever seen. Perhaps the attack is not against the Tebows, but against Focus on the Family.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Very good post, Silas. I agree with your perspective on Focus on the Family.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Well, Silas (#26),

    As much as I respect STM’s views, I think he was off about your critique of Rupert Murdoch. News organizations ought to be in a class of their own – not just subject to mergers and buy-out, or who has the most money.

    Of course, Stan’s argument stands because FOX News is not a news organization. It’s mostly about entertainment. What’s deplorable is that most watchers regard it as a bona fide news source and the views of such as Limbaugh or Hannity are taken as gospel truth.

    That’s where the disservice to the public lies, and Rupert has a hand in dummying up a good part of the American populace.

  • Ruvy

    I could honestly care less about Fox News or Rupert Murdoch or pleasing Jesus (I have enough dead relatives whose memory I have to honor – I don’t need yet another one). But getting exercise does worry me.

    You see, Ma’ale Levona has these hills that are at 20 degree or 30 degree inclines or more. With hills like that, you don’t need to spend a few thousand shekels on a stair master or a rowing machine. All you have to do is walk outside. But it’s hard. Not because I’m lazy – but because I get out of breath quick because of shortage of oxygen due to my heart attack inn 2003.

    It’s very discouraging. I know I need to walk to stay alive. But walking up the damned hills is so exhausting, so quickly, that I rather stay home and – type comments here at BC.

    You guys are going to escort me to an early grave!

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Ruvy,

    It’s just a matter of practice and sticking with it. After a while, you won’t even notice those hills.

    And you won’t be out of breath after a while. 30 minutes a day is all you need, but every day. Then extend it to an hour or more.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I know I need to walk to stay alive. But walking up the damned hills is so exhausting, so quickly, that I rather stay home and – type comments here at BC.

    Perhaps we should open an internet café at the bottom of your hill, and orchestrate things so that it opens ten minutes after your home computer crashes. :-)

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Too Cool: New Tweet by Charmaine Yoest (who I quoted in my article)

    “Excellent contrast by Christine Lakatos-Women Activists Still Attacking Tebow Ad”

    Twitter Rocks!

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Hey, you’re getting recognition.

    Good for you.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Roger: LOL, but wait untill the other side gets wind of me! Cat Fight!

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    You’re a seasoned campaigner, Christine.

    I’m certain you can handle it.

  • Baronius

    “Focusing on families isn’t about teaching Scripture and killing homosexuals.”

    Hasn’t Focus on the Family denounced the killing of homosexuals in that Uganda bill?

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Yes, Baronius, the official party line of FotF is denouncing the Ugandan bill. However, many of the financial benefactors of that group are financing the Evangelical movement in Uganda. Where there is the appearance of impropriety, one usually can discover the same. And the record of the group speaks for itself when it comes to denouncing homosexuality. If they had their way sodomy would be a capital offense right here in the United States. FotF is Fred Phelps Light, plain and simple. Gays are the easiest target — they are in many ways the least among us — and until such time as acceptance is the norm they remain the most vilified of groups, even more so than members of the KKK. It is sad, but it is true.

  • Baronius

    I don’t think it is true, Silas. A person can denounce homosexuality without calling for capital punishment.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    What I can’t seem to understand is why the religious groups keep their conscience to themselves and let God be the judge.

    After all, they’re not all Jehovah Witnesses, according to which creed, failure to proselytize results in their own damnation.

    It must be the Calvinistic spirit on the part of those who deem themselves elect, or the Catholic fervor against the heretic.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Doc,
    #23 and #24

    Do you have something to say here? Please “Spit it out” or “Spell it out”, which-ever you prefer.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Christine,

    Wow! What a tweet!

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    I’m keeping my claws in, because, I really like Christine..:)

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Why do we have to fight anyway…can’t everyone have a word here? This is what I’ve been told…

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Who keeps leaving tags open here?

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Well, Doc must be gone for the day.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    I did this morning. I said oops!

  • Baronius

    Doc, that last open italic was mine. And usually I pride myself on irrational, self-contradicting, well-formatted comments….

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Jeannie, I would have thought my meaning would be obvious.

    How anyone could honestly look at that commercial and decide that it’s advocating violence against women is beyond me.

    After all the kerfuffle about the ad, which turned out to be completely innocuous, I can only conclude that there were certain people who were determined to find something, anything in it to complain about.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Doc,

    Oh sorry, my paranoia button again..always think it’s me.

    😐 never mind !

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Baronius,

    We all do that, don’t we?

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Hi Roger…how you doing?

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Roger,

    Did you get a chance to look at my site again?
    I brushed the cobwebs off of it last night!

    :]It was time to clean the house.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Well, I’ve come to the conclusion that he who holds the King James in the right hand while holding out a collection basket in the left isn’t worth the words they spew. They are the charlatans Jesus warned us about and we’re too blind to see it.

    See, I’m much closer to the grave than the cradle and it took me all this time to come to a simple realization. The Church and other religions keep teaching us about what life will be after we’re dead. That the suffering and sacrifices we make today will bring us great rewards when we arrive at the Oyster Gates.

    Sorry, folks, that’s blasphemy. We’ve got this great gift called life. We’re supposed to make the best of it and do all that we can to insure that the next generation will have even better quality of life. It’s the circle of life. How we affect the lives of others in this life sets the stage for the quality of whatever life is beyond. I’m not certain what it is but that’s not what is most important. I need to do what I can today while our polluted air makes its way in and out of my lungs.

    If there is a Judgment Day, my heart speaks to me that the Lord’s first question will be, “what did you do to make a difference for the Family of Humans?”

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Silas,

    Is that Scott Brown’s philosophy too? Because I don’t see it in him.

    If you are allowed to speak to me, then, I’ll return later to look for a response. If not, I certainly don’t want to force you.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Yes, Jeannie. I’ve seen it and it looks good.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Jeannie, what Scott Brown’s belief system may be is of no concern to me unless he uses his religion as the basis for his politics. I will not support a political candidate who wants to infuse religious doctrine into secular law.

    Jefferson states, quite emphatically in his autobiography:
    Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

    I make no apologies for my support of Senator Brown, just as you should make no apologies for opposing the same. As I watch the celebration in New Orleans tonight, I am struck by these people and their consummate positive attitude. They’re not waiting to arrive at death’s door for the prospect of eternal joy. They are celebrating that which is as opposed that that which may be.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Christine, re: #26, I wish you nothing but good fortune in your quest to educate people. The obesity problem in America is our “black plague”. The First Lady has introduced a wonderful cause that we all should embrace. But those who oppose anything Obama won’t heed her warning and that is criminal.

    Now that corporations have carte blanche to pour millions into politics, there are things we can do to educate consumers like product labeling with color coding in big, BOLD print. Imagine a box of Fruit Loops with a skull and bones on it. That works for me. Our school lunch programs across this nation require massive overhaul which include education programs for parents. What’s so wrong with having parents attend orientation seminars as their children enter school? What’s wrong with school nurses taking BMIs of students and notifying parents of obesity issues? It’s time to get proactive across the board. Like it or not, it does take a village. And if those who reject that philosophy don’t like it — let them leave town. I hear Texas will be a sovereign nation before long.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Roger,

    Thanks!

  • zingzing

    “A person can denounce homosexuality without calling for capital punishment.”

    until they want to actually interact with you.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Silas,

    Thank you for your thoughtful comment!

    Approaching people like a freight-train is my curse.

    Also, this annoying habit I have of pushing away the very people I want to connect to isn’t helping either.

    just ask my family!

    “Familiarity breeds contempt.” I am now starting to have dreams and nightmares about all of you… :}

    I know this is an old cliche, but I wanted to use it.

    I mentioned Scott Brown, not knowing what other question to ask.

    :]just tell me directly when I really piss you off, I can handle it. I think?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Silas rarely gets pissed off, Jeannie, if you’ve got a heart.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    #62,

    But that’s only because they’re gay and are ashamed of it.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Jeannie, more often than not a member of my family or inner circle likens me to a runaway freight train, so I find myself in good company! For the first 80% of my life I tried to live a life which everyone else approved except me. I wasn’t true to myself or my core values and as a result many got hurt along the way. What I have attempted to do since that revelation is make some type of amends. Today I really don’t care of what others think of me — take me as I am or just walk away. I mean no one any harm and if my thought processes are not consistent with another, that’s OK. I have learned that in differences comes debate and compromise if all sides just take a second to listen and understand.

    The one issue for which there is no room for compromise is the injection of religious doctrine into codified secular law. Ironically, it is in taking such a stance — I find myself most consistent with the teachings of Christ.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    “A person can denounce homosexuality without calling for capital punishment.”

    And a person can denounce capital punishment without being gay.

    But that’s only because they’re gay and are ashamed of it.

    Hence the Silasian term “homoservative”, Roger. I mean, come on, there’s more estrogen flowing between John Boehner and Eric Cantor than a Dykes on Bikes rally.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    So you do agree with me, then.

    Eric Cantor, btw, presents an interesting persona.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    #60) Silas:
    I think Mrs. Obama calls it “Let’s Move.” Maybe I will do an article about it this week. Need to do research and find the clip of what she did today. I know Fox News mentioned it, but did any network carry it?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    How about, “Come on, baby, let’s do locomotion”?

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Silas,

    You are a kindred spirit…I knew we had more in common here.

    :} Thank you for that and now I’ll go to sleep. Sure hope I don’t have another nightmare, Arch was chasing me in the last one!

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Silas is a Republican you can love.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Christine, watch today’s Larry King for more information. I would love for you to do an article on it. Childhood obesity is a problem we all should work together to eradicate before it is too late. Today’s children are tomorrow’s Wall-E cast members.

    Yes, I do agree with you Roger. In my personal experience he who is “conservative” the loudest usually spends some time in an airport men’s room. Self loathing manifests itself in many forms — talk about demonic possession.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Christine,

    Here is what I found this morning for ,“Let’s Move.”

    I visited “My Diva Diet” and wow!What a great website. I recognised many of those little diet enemies, and I’m pretty sure that I was the Dairy-Maiden in a former life!

    :]lol

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Thanks Jeannie: will check it out and I tried to comment on your blog; not sure if it went through.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Christine,

    Yes! I saw your comment and replied to you. I loved your blog and your picture! WOW, what muscle tone..I’m definitely using my Pilate’s cd today! Not that I can catch up to anything even closely resembling you. (compliment!)

    :[ I gotta go eat, just read about all kinds of candy! must resist this…can you hear my tummy growling?

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    OMG did I close that?

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Christine –

    Back to the subject.

    No woman likes abortion…NOT ONE. You know this, or at least you should know this.

    Since you’ve been in an abusive relationship, then you should also know that the more children a woman bears while in an abusive relationship, the more that woman is likely to stay in that abusive relationship…the more she feels trapped with no possibility for escape – especially if the abusive man is the primary breadwinner.

    You can sit back all day long and say, “Well, she’s just got to have the courage to leave!” But it isn’t that simple. Most social workers and police will tell you that.

    Furthermore, if you have an underage daughter – say, 13 or 14 (and they ARE often sexually active these days) – and she winds up pregnant, what will that baby do to her life? Don’t give me the old “put the baby up for adoption” argument, because there are well over a million abortions each year…but perhaps a couple hundred thousand couples willing to adopt. What happens with the rest of the kids? She’ll either keep the kid, or she’ll give the child up to the Foster system…and what happens if the Foster care system in each state gets tens (or hundreds) of thousands more children than there are trained, qualified, and background-checked Foster parents to accept them?

    I’ve been a Foster dad for 10 1/2 years. I’ve seen the situations some of these kids are in, where they come from, and where they go. And anyone who protests against abortion rights is a rank hypocrite if they’re not also fighting to prevent pregnant women from walking into bars, or smoking, or riding in a car without a seat belt…for all these present clear and present dangers to the fetus within.

    But most anti-abortion activists don’t realize that they’re not being supported by the Republicans – they’re being used for political gain. Remember, it was just until two months ago that the health insurance for the Republican National Committee also covered abortion for its members.

    Again, NO ONE in their right mind likes abortion. But there needs to be a choice. If Roe v. Wade is overturned, well, there’s going to be an upspike in the manufacturing of coathangers. Okay, maybe that’s an exaggeration, but there WILL be a marked increase in back-alley abortions, and all the medical emergencies and deaths that come with it. This isn’t mere conjecture, Christine. This is a FACT.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I am beginning to see a condescending part of you, Glenn, and Clavos was right:

    “No woman likes abortion…NOT ONE. You know this, or at least you should know this.

    Since you’ve been in an abusive relationship . . . ”

    I submit that this is more information than we need to know. I can’t speak for Christine, of course, but I certainly don’t.

    No question you mean well, but there are ways of making a point and there are ways of not making a point.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Roger,

    Are you jumping threads to get away from me?

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Glenn: I don’t think you have anything to worry about when it comes to Roe vs: Wade being overturned. Although I’m sure you know, Norma McCorvey AKA Jane Roe no longer supports abortion rights and in 1995 became a vocal anti-abortion activist.

    However, since it is supposed to be a “choice” then we should have the right to show both sides. And yes, there are crazies on BOTH sides of this issue; those that kill abortion doctors and those that pretend to be “pro-choice” yet want to kill the other side of the message.

    Even though you are screaming me, I do see your points, but you have to admit that your side has made abortion too easy and even give it a sense of “no big deal.” It has gotten so bad that some states will allow your teenager daughter to get an abortion without consent. Wow, kids need permission slips to go on a field trip but not for an abortion. That should make EVERY parent MAD AS HELL! Not to mention the evils of “partial birth” abortions.

    Glenn: We should spend less time fighting amongst ourselves and more time finding ways we can prevent unwanted pregnancies. However, we have a new problem: International Planned Parenthood Federation is advocating that children as young as 10 be given extensive sex education, including an awareness of sex’s pleasures.

    See ya at my next article; if I write one!

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    You had better, Christine. Baronius is your new fan.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    However, we have a new problem: International Planned Parenthood Federation is advocating that children as young as 10 be given extensive sex education, including an awareness of sex’s pleasures.

    Why is this a problem?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    As if they didn’t know.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Dr. D: are you kidding me; did you read the article? It is one thing to explain sex to children, however, quite another teach my kid that “sex is all about pleasure and there are no consequences.” That is where they are headed, not mention the United Nations is recommending that children as young as five receive mandatory sexual education that would teach even pre-kindergarteners about masturbation and topics like gender violence.”

    Is this age appropriate and do you think our sex education should be part of a global program? I just thank God that I will no longer have children in school when all this happens.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Dr. D: are you kidding me; did you read the article?

    Yes. Did you read the report?

    It is one thing to explain sex to children, however, quite another teach my kid that “sex is all about pleasure and there are no consequences.”

    Apparently not.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Christine,

    Procreation is no longer considered the ultimate reason and value behind sexual union. The idea of relationship and better life is. Such is the opinion of some of the Supreme Court justices. And I second it.

    Which is also why same-sex unions will become the law of the land, if not sooner then later.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Roger, I am not disputing that sex is more than for procreation; the bible even teaches that. But I will save that for another time. What I am uncomfortable with is the type of sex education they are proposing and void of the realities (consequences) emotionally and physically that follow.

    I closely monitored the sex education my daughter got in 6th grade (or was it 5th), and found that it was fine and age appropriate. But age five?

    As far as same-sex unions; I am actually in favor of “gay marriage.” I don’t quite see the big deal of it all.

    Now I’m tired, so I need to go take a nap.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    OK then. We disagree less than you think.

    Later, alligator.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    I have an apology to make – it was NOT Christine who said she’d been in an abusive relationship, but the president of NOW. My apologies to all for not taking my time and being careful enough to read the article properly.

    And thank you for reminding me of my tone. It’s not meant that way, but I can see what you mean. I will do my best to correct my tone…but I do appreciate you helping me to see when my Irish is getting the best of me.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    What I am uncomfortable with is the type of sex education they are proposing and void of the realities (consequences) emotionally and physically that follow.

    This is the trouble with taking a news item at face value, especially one from as biased a source as Fox News.

    Your reaction to the IPPF report – or I should say, more accurately, to Fox News’s account of it – comes at best from ignorance and at worst from willful misrepresentation.

    When one actually reads the report, one finds that the IPPF is arguing – based, it has to be said, on an impressive body of research and real-world experience – that young people (defined as those from ages 10-24) are safer and more empowered when they are well-informed about all aspects of sex.

    Nowhere does the report specifically advocate teaching 10-year-olds about sexual pleasure, or imply that sex education should be anything other than age-appropriate.

    So I fail to see how anyone could honestly interpret the IPPF’s views as advocating that “sex is all about pleasure and there are no consequences”.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Christine –

    When it comes to sex ed for kids, are you aware that states where sex ed is taught to children generally have a lower rate of teenage pregnancy than states where sex ed is not taught?

    Things become less of a priority to kids when the mystery is taken away…and when they’re shown at school what sex is and what price they can wind up paying for unsafe sex.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Oh my gosh, I have said many, many times; I am NOT against sex ed and opted in for my 6th grader to get it at school (of which I continue the dialogue about it all the time); yet I am NOT comfortable with what IPPF is proposing right now! And Dr. D: I don’t care what you say: it is how they FRAME it that counts too (demands….and that young people should be seen as “sexual beings.”)

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    FYI: Dr. D: I heard some of the info about the proposed IPPF from CNN and they had some of the same interpretations of it.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Silas,

    I just read your #25, that was wonderful!

    ohoh, I’m speechless.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Doc,

    Are you sure they want to teach pleasure?

    In the great words of Victor Meldrew- “I don’t believe it!”

    ;]ever watch one foot in the grave?

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Christine,

    I wanted to tell you that I watched part of the First Lady’s program today, and I thought this is so wonderful.
    She was talking about small lifestyle changes and nutrition just like you teach!

    I can’t wait to read your article.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Thanks, Jeannie. I wish more people would catch on to the real world instead of living within the confines of their own unreality.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Silas,

    Come on, let’s go have that cup of coffee now. :0 What did you read? I hope it was Dot! for my favorite cousin Sue. or The Dandelion War for my Uncle George. These are stories that won’t leave you feeling sad…

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Silas,

    I am such an ass, but I mean well.

    You know, why I stopped talking about the people in Haiti? I couldn’t deal with it anymore, this sounds so selfish. But, I realized when I say a woman ironing a pair of pants on the ground in the middle of that hell! that they, have been truly blessed by God.

    and,

    If we had one little smidgen of the faith those people show, in the face of death and destruction, what a country this could be…
    And I’m not talking about church faith, I’m talking inner faith and strength.

    I heard that they pulled someone out yesterday!

    :[ this comment is a mess.

  • zingzing

    christine: “It is one thing to explain sex to children, however, quite another teach my kid that “sex is all about pleasure and there are no consequences.” That is where they are headed.”

    (prince: “i’ve seen the future and it will be.”)

    (homophobes: “next, they’ll wanna marry their fuckin’ dogs!”)

    you’ve been duped. this is why you should not pay attention to fox news if you want to know about the real world.

    if you seriously think that that up there is even close to the truth, you need to sit back and ask, “why would someone do that?” and if you can find no reasonable answer, maybe they aren’t doing that.

    kinda like “obama wants to destroy america!!!!” why would he want to do that? no reason? then he probably doesn’t. it’s simple.

  • zingzing

    seriously, taking the time to think that shit up, without taking the time to figure out why it’s obviously false… is scary.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “I am not disputing that sex is more than for procreation; the bible even teaches that. But I will save that for another time.”

    Is there a mailing list to get on so as to be informed of that time? Or should we just follow you on a social network?

  • http://www.thecobraslair.com Cobra

    The irony of the Tebow ad is that the Tebows were in the Philippines at the time of the “choice” of whether giving birth to Timmy or not.

    What about the Philippines makes this ironic?

    Abortion has been ILLEGAL in the Philippines since 1930.

    ” Grounds on which abortion is permitted:

    To save the life of the woman Yes
    To preserve physical health No
    To preserve mental health No
    Rape or incest No
    Foetal impairment No
    Economic or social reasons No
    Available on request No

    Additional requirements:

    Authorization of an abortion requires consultation with a panel of professionals.”

    And if you get caught having an abortion in the Philippines?

    ” Under the abortion provisions of the Revised Penal Code of 1930, as amended, a person who intentionally causes an abortion with the consent of the pregnant woman is subject to a penalty of prison correccional (i.e., imprisonment for from six months to six years) in its medium or maximum period. A physician or midwife who causes or assists in the performance of an abortion is subject to the maximum period of this penalty, as well as suspension from the right to follow a profession. A woman performing an abortion on herself to conceal her dishonour is subject to the minimum or medium period of this penalty. A person performing an abortion without the consent of the pregnant woman is subject to a penalty of prison major (i.e., 6-12 years’ imprisonment).”

    Now, I’m sure that the Tebow family could’ve applied to a panel since, according to the commerical, her life was in danger from this pregnancy, but as you can see, if the panel sided against her, and she had an abortion anyway, she could’ve faced up to six years in a Philippine cell.

    But I would ask the Pro-Lifers here to observe the RESULTS of 80 years of abortion being illegal in the Philippines:

    “Despite the severity of the law, abortion appears to be widely practised in the Philippines as a means of birth control and is rarely prosecuted. The International Planned Parenthood Federation reports estimates ranging from 155,000 to 750,000 induced abortions per year. However, illegal abortion is performed in a climate of fear and shame resulting from strong cultural, religious and legal prohibitions. Surveys indicate that women resorting to abortion are often from economically disadvantaged groups and take this step because they are unable to provide for another child. Surveys also indicate a high incidence of repeat abortion. In a context of poor health conditions and widespread malnutrition, and where some 76 per cent of deliveries occur at home and only 21 per cent are attended by a physician, induced abortions are poorly performed and result in high maternal mortality and morbidity. The maternal mortality ratio was estimated at 280 deaths per 100,000 live births in 1990. Hospital surveys have found that about one third of maternal deaths occurring in hospitals can be attributed to induced abortion.”

    BOTTOM LINE:

    Laws banning abortion DO NOT WORK. The Philippines is Exhibit A. They don’t stop women from having them. They only penalize women, especially the poor who can’t afford a cleaner back alley, and sterilized instruments.

    –Cobra

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I am actually in favor of “gay marriage.”

    Almost missed this…

    Why are you in favour of gay marriage in quotation marks?

  • zingzing

    “favour”

  • zingzing

    hrm. there was more to that comment… this site hates safari. fuck em both.

    anyway, basically i said that maybe she put quotes around “gay marriage” because she was trying to say that that’s how it should be said instead of the “i’ll give you whatever you say as long as you call it something else just so i can look like i’m not the spineless piece of shit i so obviously am, thus putting into law a phrase that will forever remind me of how much of an emasculated bit of rubbish that i am, please, i’m just a republican…” that is “same-sex unions.”

  • zingzing

    actually, i like version #2 of that comment much better.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    “favour”

    zing, Stan keeps telling me off for using American spellings, so I’m trying to get back to my roots.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I heard some of the info about the proposed IPPF from CNN and they had some of the same interpretations of it.

    I’m as uninclined to take CNN at face value as I am Fox News.

    Fox did, however, obligingly provide a link to the IPPF’s report, and it is that upon which I am basing my remarks.

  • zingzing

    doc, how about when discussing matters american, you stick to american spellings, and you can do whatever you please with your fingers when discussing things outside of our u-phobic realm of influence?

    fair?

    uppity brits.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I don’t care what you say: it is how they FRAME it that counts too

    And how do they frame it? You should be able to answer this, if you’ve read the report.

    (demands

    Demands? The report contains no demands, only recommendations. ‘Demands’ is nothing more than the Fox reporter’s unfortunate and quite deliberately inflammatory choice of words.

    ….and that young people should be seen as “sexual beings.”)

    Here’s what the report actually says:

    “Numerous countries do not regard sexual health or rights as a legitimate part of the public duty of care or acknowledge that young people are sexual beings.”

    And they are quite right. Young people (again, the report defines ‘young people’ as those between the ages of 10 and 24, not only children) are sexual beings. You know this perfectly well. Why would millions of parents worry about their teenagers getting pregnant if they weren’t?

    Acknowledging that fact is a far cry from turning your kids into sex robots.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    So, zing, since gay marriage is a global, not just an American issue, which spelling should I use?

    And it’s “uppithey”.

    Stupid dyslexic Americans.

  • zingzing

    well… fair enough. but this was pretty much about american gay marriage, i suppose, although i’ll admit that was never specifically noted as being the case, so i guess you just have to go with what you think she was talking about. which could be anything most of the time.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Talk about a spineless piece of [bleep] to make so much out of quotations marks. They meant NOTHING! You can ask any of the editors here in BC, I use “quotation marks” all the time; in fact I “overuse” them and they do get edited out over and over.

    You can call me a poor writer and attack my beliefs or ideas; however, all the other name calling is way over the top, out of line, rude, disgusting, and downright hateful. It really gives me second thoughts about being a writer here for BC and definitely one that will not engage in any type of debate ever again.
    “Take care!”

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Christine, I apologize if I misinterpreted your intent. Your other uses of quotation marks on this thread have been around things like ‘pro-choice’, ‘partial birth abortions’ or ‘no big deal’. These are either labels or expressions: things around which I would expect to see quotation marks.

    Gay marriage isn’t a label or an expression. It is what it is. Hence the red flag that went up for me.

    I, personally, am not aware of having done any name-calling. Again, sorry if I have. zing, on the other hand, is just, well, zing. You should be used to him by now… :-)

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Dr. D: I should of been more clear on my last comment and directed to Zing’ my apologies. At least you asked what I meant, however, Zing…well NO, I am not used to him and don’t think I ever will be.

  • zingzing

    jeeez, christine–i was just taking your side in an argument. so sorry. did you not get that? i was DEFENDING your use of the quotation marks. now, if i did it in a way that belittles homophobic republicans, obviously i wasn’t considering you amongst their numbers.

    am i the only person around here who can read what people mean to say?

  • zingzing

    read it again, christine. here, i’ll help you out by making the sentence less convoluted: “basically i said that maybe she put quotes around “gay marriage” because she was trying to say that that’s how it should be said instead of the “junk” that is “same-sex unions.”

    and now you say, “oh.” and i say, “see?”

  • zingzing

    given your response, maybe i’m wrong. i dunno. i was giving you the benefit of the doubt there.

  • Kim

    You know, if your choice was to not have sex outside of marriage, you wouldn’t have to worry about having an abortion. I know, sometimes pregnancy occures because of rape, and those cases make for a hard decision and are truly sad. But if you and your boyfriend are just having fun and you don’t want to deal with the consequence, then abortion should not be an option. There are consequences to actions in life. If the consequences is to be pregnant for 9 months and then give the baby up for adoption, then that’s what should happen.

  • Jordan Richardson

    if your choice was to not have sex outside of marriage, you wouldn’t have to worry about having an abortion

    Ah yes, nothing like oversimplifying a complex issue and reducing it to a “moral choice.”

    Interesting how most women getting abortions are unmarried Christian women who’ve had a kid and/or an abortion before. Yeah. The Pro-Life Action League confirms this, for god’s sake.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I see now what zing was doing, Christine, presenting the other side of the argument by personalizing it.

    It caught me by surprise, too, to characterize another fellow blogger in such terms, but I can assure you that even zing didn’t have you, the person, in mind.

    So don’t quit, please, and continue to participate.

  • Laura

    It is because woman’s work is undervalued in this society that we have many reprobates running around the streets now. Women are not home teaching their children and instilling confidence and love in them. They have bought the lie that to have value, they must have a 9-5 job. Believing God when society is screaming the opposite is no easy task. One I work on daily.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    You may have a point, there, zing. “Same-sex unions” is kind of noncommittal, evading the issue. “Gay marriage,” for the time being at least, is a more honest way of phrasing it.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Christine,

    OMG QUIT?

    Don’t you dare!

    For one thing you, are not a quitter.

    and,

    The second thing is that we all need the voices of women here at BC.

    Women with all kinds of political and religious, or not religious beliefs, to add to the chatter.

    :] You and Cindy have become my rocks.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Good Morning Roger. :]

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Hi, Jeannie.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    #112 Dr.D,

    Accolades to you for that excellently put comment! I could not have said it better.

    I was just going to write…”well, they are sexual beings.” Not nearly as effective. Also, I wonder do you folks who gasp at the idea of children as sexual beings (oh for god’s sake, children are so ‘clean’ and innocent…how could they be ‘dirty’ little sexual beings??? ) recall the game ‘doctor’ or remember what the point of it was?

    Please now, tell me you never played that game. Then I will understand why you could ever get the notion that children are not sexual beings. ‘Abstinence’ from dealing with reality usually proves unwise.

    #115/118 Christine, I did get that zing was on your side.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Christine,

    (oh for god’s sake, children are so ‘clean’ and innocent…how could they be ‘dirty’ little sexual beings??? ) recall the game ‘doctor’ or remember what the point of it was?

    It is the dirty minds of some adults who place sexuality on children.

    It really bothers me when I see a link from Fox News, I believe Murdock has a big agenda, not lose any more of his wealth to any…”social programs!”

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    I agree and concur with you, Cindy.

    :] How’s your weather? It looks treacherous on the news.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    “It is the dirty minds of some adults who place sexuality on children.”

    Not quite, Jeannie, because sexuality is something we’re born with. But yes, adults do turn it into dirty business.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Roger,

    Yes, that’s what I meant. But you phrased it better!

  • Jordan Richardson

    (prince: “i’ve seen the future and it will be.”)

    Batman?

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    11.7 inches Jeannie. By the time I was done it was tapering off. Now I only have about 1 1/2 inches to shovel up. But ow, ow I am so sore and I fell 3 times in our steep driveway so I am also bruised and scraped.

    Still, the sun is out and it is extraordinarily beautiful to behold the snow-covered lake.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Cindy,

    Remember not to lift the shovel. Just walk behind it pushing like you are a human plow.

    You should see my driveway…great exercise so that I don’t go insane during the winter…not sure it’s working. ha ha

    How wonderful your lake sounds.:]

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    There’s that antagonist now!

    Hi Jordan…:]

  • Mike

    I think it is rediculous that abortion is still legal. Why is it that if someone murders a pregnant woman (God forbid) that he/she is given a double homicide sentence, and yet abortion is not considered murder. This tells me that life is only life if it is wanted.

    The choice a woman has is to ingage in sex or not, but after that they must be responsible for the outcome. I know rape is still a factor in this and to that I say adoption is a much better alternative than murder.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Mike,

    Thanks for telling me what my choices are. How ’bout this–when you get pregnant, you go ahead and do whatever it is you want.

  • zingzing

    jordan: “Batman?”

    yessir. first track. first line, i think. love me some prince.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    There’s a perfect solution to such as Mike.

    If we make it legal to castrate such as him so as to prevent those individuals from impregnating women against their will, then perhaps abortions should be made illegal.

    That would be justice.

  • zingzing

    why is it that so many anti-abortion people have such a hard time spelling? they could be very intelligent people, but the “rediculously ingaging” spelling errors are charming in that special hick kind of way.

    just saying.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Let me clarify it for you, zing: It’s because they are hicks.

  • Kathleen

    Funny how all the attacks on Focus on the Family now look so incredibly stupid. The absolute hatred that liberals and feminists have for anything pro-life is astounding. The desperation NOW has to continue to say something bad about this ad, and now say this ad endorses violence against women is just plain asinine.

    If these feminists are going to bring up violence against women, it’s sad that they can’t see the true violence of abortion. Ripping an unborn child from the womb, dismembering the child in the name of “choice” is the worst hypocrisy.

    Feminism is dying. I have spoken with many 20 and 30-somethings who are adamantly pro-choice. They realize that their mothers could have killed them in the womb, and this is very disheartening to them. I know one young man who found out his mother would have aborted him if she hadn’t fallen and broken her wrist. She needed surgery and could not have the abortion. She is glad now that she kept him, but telling him the truth has caused him to distance himself from his mother. Imagine knowing that your mother wanted to kill you but decided to keep you!

    Feminists don’t care one whit about women or their health. Abortion is unhealthy for all women. It raises your chance of breast cancer by 50% if you have a history of breast cancer. It can cause infertility. Post-abortion depression is real, and many women suffer from this.

    I applaud Focus on the Family and the Tebows for standing up for what is RIGHT.

  • zingzing

    “Feminists don’t care one whit about women”

    heh.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    lol

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    I just wonder, do people on the right all get together and just agree to choose the stupidest reason for anything that they can think up in 30 seconds?

    Terrorists attack the US because they hate our freedom…feminists don’t care at all about women. Perhaps you people are watching too much Family Feud. (Name a vegetable that has vitamin C. A banana? Good answer, good answer!)

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    What are they standing for, Kathleen? And what is right?

    We’re not living in a perfect society, in case you failed to notice. And sometimes, less-than-perfect decisions are part and parcel.

    I’m certain we all wish for a world when abortions aren’t even considered, but we’re far from that point.

    So why would you impose your personal views on such personal things, however strongly you feel about them, on others?

    You do seem to suffer here from a lack of empathy, trying to impose your personal views on everybody else.

    Nobody contests here what you should do if and when the situation arises. But why do you think you ought to be the spokesperson for all the women you know or don’t know.

    That’s kind of arrogant, to say the least, if not highly presumptive.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    In a neat little world like Kathleen’s, everything fits into boxes. All feminists support abortion. All liberals are pro-choice.

    I kind of prefer the real world myself. It may be scruffier, but it’s a damn sight more interesting.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    I don’t understand why pro or anti abortion activists don’t all just shut and go home.

    It is a personal decision that is basically nobody else’s business.

  • Charles Patrick Reilly,Jr.

    Now and other so called womens group are a bunch of RACIST. They are ANTI-WHIT CHRISTIAN MALE.
    Ironic thaat they had nothing to say when Chris Brown knocked the feminity out of Rhiana. Where was ONEILL AND GREENE then.
    Oh, forgit Chris Brown is black and therefore, any violence he commits against women is ok because in the Leftist eyes he doesn’t know any better.
    Check it out. When was the last time a womens group came out against a black male for committing a violent act against a women.

  • Kristi Booton O’Neill

    Women activists need to get a life! Way to go Tim Tebow!!!!

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Zing: Maybe we need more than a comment monitor; how about a “comment interpreter?” So if I misinterpreted your comment; MY BAD and then I apologize. Not feeling so well these past few days; so maybe I am not packing a full deck. Catch ya all later.

  • doug m

    Christopher, it’s rather simple. As long as the anti forces think it’s their business, the pro are going to stay engaged. If the gods had made humans without an ego, life would be a far better experience.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Unfortunately, doug, we are like gods, or at least pretend that we are.

    Welcome to humanity, for best or the worst.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Could some of you go out and bring back a couple friends? I calculate if a dozen or so more anti-feminists join the thread, we can combine all your IQs into something that might approach a triple digit figure.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ I HATE FEMENISTS

    Wait…how do you spell it?

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Kathleen,#144

    Did I just hear a paid commenter walk through the door?

    Feminism is dying.

    Not in your lifetime, and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for even typing these words,If you are a woman. Which I am suspecting might not be the case here.

    Look at the history of women in this world. Open your eyes.

    We were nothing but chattel less than fifty years ago!

    If you think that we are going back to a place in time where what we said,thought, or believed was trivialized by men, You are very mistaken.

    And don’t try to ram your organized religion down our throats.
    The biggest lie of all is taking peoples money in the name of the lord in-order to amass TAX-FREE WEALTH!

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    LOL, Cindy…

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Let’s stay right here Kathy,

    Feminists don’t care one whit about women or their health. Abortion is unhealthy for all women. It raises your chance of breast cancer by 50% if you have a history of breast cancer. It can cause infertility. Post-abortion depression is real, and many women suffer from this.

    What is causing your breast cancer is all the lotions and potions you are polluting your body with in-order to attract, please, and keep a man.

    A real man loves you, and the you, that you are.

    in-other words…get real!

    The depression you experience in your life is called life. You don’t need pharmas and you don’t need Freud.

    Life when lived fully is not always pretty and comfortable…

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    11.7 inches Jeannie.
    You talkin’ about snow accumulation or John Edwards?

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    [is thankful that he managed to swallow his coffee before seeing Silas’s comment]

  • zingzing

    cpr: “Now and other so called womens group are a bunch of RACIST. They are ANTI-WHIT CHRISTIAN MALE.”

    anti-whit… awesome. everyone’s against you, eh?

    “Ironic thaat they had nothing to say when Chris Brown knocked the feminity out of Rhiana.”

    you live under a big, big rock.

    “Oh, forgit Chris Brown is black and therefore, any violence he commits against women is ok because in the Leftist eyes he doesn’t know any better.”

    yes, fogit. you are a shame upon your pov.

    “Check it out. When was the last time a womens group came out against a black male for committing a violent act against a women.”

    that rock is HUGE! crawl back under it. seriously, you’re embarrassing yourself.

  • zingzing

    christine #154: apology accepted. i think you just read it too fast. or made an assumption. whatever. it’s over now. bygones. didn’t mean to upset you.

    just wanted to make the bigots see themselves for what they are–willing to give up everything but a word, just so they can look at themselves in the mirror and say, “i won.” self-deception is the most pathetic thing.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    zingzing,

    Could you please place a name at the top of your comments?

    Who are you talking to in #164?

  • zingzing

    cpr, or whatever that stands for… he’s right up there somewhere. #152, i guess.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    #130,

    Should have been addressed to Cindy, that’s who I was talking with there.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    #130,

    Should have been addressed to Cindy, that’s who I was talking with there.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    zingzing,

    Oh… :]

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    WTF,

    Where did Kathy go? I was just beginning to warm up.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Neil Patrick Harris. Charles Nelson Reilly. Dom De Louise. #152. Yep, all gay.

  • http://www.thecobraslair.com Cobra

    Christopher writes:

    “Now and other so called womens group are a bunch of RACIST. They are ANTI-WHIT CHRISTIAN MALE.
    Ironic thaat they had nothing to say when Chris Brown knocked the feminity out of Rhiana. Where was ONEILL AND GREENE then.
    Oh, forgit Chris Brown is black and therefore, any violence he commits against women is ok because in the Leftist eyes he doesn’t know any better.
    Check it out. When was the last time a womens group came out against a black male for committing a violent act against a women.”

    Hello? Are you kidding me? You must be so far out into right field you can’t get cable or satellite coverage. Or a newspaper. Or you’re just selective on your internet browsing.

    When you Google “Women’s groups against rap music”, you get 890,000 hits ALONE.

    And FYI…

    “An email from NOW President Terry O’Neill as she responds to Chris Brown’s interview on Larry King:

    Chris Brown told Larry King he is still in shock over what he did to Rihanna. That’s because he’s still in denial over what he did. It’s all too common for offenders to claim that they are “not the kind of person who would do such a thing.” But when we allow them to evade responsibility by re-defining themselves in this way, we trivialize their crimes and jeopardize their victims’ ability to heal and stay safe.

    The fact is that Chris Brown committed a vicious assault, and thus by definition he is that kind of person. We do Rihanna and all survivors of intimate partner violence a grave disservice by buying into his “non-denial denial.” I for one am not convinced.”

    This is posted on the NOW Website, which is easily accessible within seconds.

    And Christopher, take it from me…if you think most Black Women (who ALSO participate in Women’s groups) are perfectly fine with men beating on them, stand up and say so…in a room full of Black women.

    I double dog dare ya. You won’t, however, because in order for the “I am a powerless White Christian Male in America” storyline to be effective, you can’t really consider whatever NON-White Christian Males say or do, unless they totally agree with you.

    –Cobra

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Neat rebuttal, Cobra, but I’m very much afraid you’re preaching to an empty church. Hit-and-run commenters like Charles (not Christopher) never come back, so he won’t read this.

    People like that think they can win arguments by running away.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    The “I am a powerless White Christian Male in America” storyline…

    Ha! That is great, Cobra.

  • Jordan Richardson

    I applaud Focus on the Family and the Tebows for standing up for what is RIGHT.

    Yes! Totally true. Focus on the Family always stands up for what is WHITE, er, RIGHT!

    When James Dobson said “My observation is that women are merely waiting for their husbands to assume leadership,” he was totally standing up for women, too. After all, women are just begging for their husbands to “assume leadership.”

    Then there was that time when he said that homosexuals would destroy the earth. And they will! All those parades and all that ostentatious fashion has got to be releasing toxic chemicals into the environment somehow!

    And then there’s Dobson perhaps offering the most vital lesson of all and, you guessed it, once again standing up for what’s right:

    “He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger.”

    Exactly!

    Look, being a dad is hard enough. That’s why I’m thankful for someone like James Dobson to help show me the way and to prove to me that my wife is just sitting around waiting for my leadership and my son, well, he’s waiting for me to step into the shower with him.

    Also, you may not even believe it, but Dobson even knows how to help you with problem pets: “That tiny dog and I had the most vicious fight ever staged between man and beast. I fought him up one wall and down the other, with both of us scratching and clawing and growling and swinging the belt.”

    God bless James Dobson!

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Jordan,

    That was great!

    :[] ha ha ha

  • Princess Pi

    How very silly! This ad was funny and well done. I have been listening to the Feminazis since I was a teenager and I always found them waiting to jump on anything to get themselves noticed. If they are so hyped on the right to choose, why, when a woman CHOOSES to have her baby, they attack? Plus, I always said to my mother and my husband, can you believe how strident and unattractive these women are? They are so for if they get pregnant they have the right to choose to have an abortion but are so ugly that who would want to %^&* them anyway? Hey, ladies, just keep hoping. You really do need to get (*&^. Maybe that would make you feel like real women again. How’s that complaining, whining, and everytime you look in a mirror it breaks doing for you? Well, maybe you will get lucky if you put a bag over your head. Silly Feminazis. I knew you were ridiculous when I was 13.

  • Princess Pi

    Oh, by the way, Roger, Rush is not on Fox News. Bad boy. And the MSM are just jealous because Matthewson Tingle Up My Leg, Rachel Maddcow and Keith I Wish I Was A Thespian’s ratings are in the tank and Fox’s ratings are higher than all of them combined x 3. Plus, most Americans are sick and tired of the lies and talking points of the Left Wing Loonies and are smart enough to find the truth out for themselves, not be Robert Gibbs Press “Corpes” lemmings.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Why would you think, Princess, I was so confused?

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    178 – A living example of what’s wrong with objectification of women. The female misogynist is an interesting example of how some women deal with the injury it causes. Some of us think of ourselves as more than a repository for someone’s semen, Princess.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Anyways, Cindy, just got a copy of Simone De Beauvoir’s The Second Sex, a revolutionary book for its time, and I intend to read it. Have you?

    I did like her fictional treatment I alluded to earlier, The Woman Destroyed, kind of reminiscent of Gertrude Stein’s Three Women.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    And if you haven’t, you ought to look into some of Virginia Woolf’s novellas and essays. She was a seminal thinker and a most consummate artist.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    I can’t say I have ever read any of them Roger. I should take the time some day to do that.

    I have always just had my own ideas which I arrived at based on my own experiences. I am very interested in restructuring society. For me feminism is about changing the patriarchal model that oppresses both women and men. It is about an equality of voice and choice, not becoming equal to participate fully under the same destructive model. This is one reason anarchism was so attractive when I finally looked closely at it. Theoretically, anarchism already is a feminist prospect–theoretically.

    For me, the model needs to be in line with human needs and valuing people. The Capitalist and patriarchal models are about domination and using people. I see these things as very destructive to the psyche of both women and men. So, I don’t want to be equal by being a shark among sharks, being a better competitor, watching porno movies, being one of the boys, objectifying men, etc. In other words, equality isn’t about using men on a basis equal to that of male use of females. Nor is it about having an equal opportunity to become anti-social. What I am interested is very humanizing, not dehumanizing (as Jordan thinks)–for both women and men.

    Thank you for those suggestions. :-)

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Anyway, here’s something to whet your appetite:

    Beauvoir and The Second Sex.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    And another one, Inderdisciplinary Essays.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Thanks for those, Roger. I’m having a look now. Quite interesting.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Cindy,

    I meant to correct the error in #182 earlier. Anyway, Gertrude Stein’s work referred to is Three Lives, not Three Women.