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Mouthy Diva, (affectionately known to Blogritics as Mac Diva, aka Holy Macaroni) has made certain derogatory slurs about me (et al) at this post. This all came about when I came to the defense of a newcomer to Blogcritics who was being abused by none other than – (you guessed it) Mouthy Diva.

There was a time a comment like that would have upset me. But as the saying goes when one considers the source of the slur (and if I may paraphrase) where is thy sting?

As most of you know Mouthy Diva has a nasty habit of terrorizing Blogcritics with her racist slurs, and like most of you I have not been immune from her incessant name calling. Her rhetoric resounds to Tinkling Cymbals and Sounding Brass as she bellows around Blogcritics with the mistaken notion that she can slur anybody with impunity that happens to disagree with her.

And so I have decided to make this challenge. Alright Mouthy Diva, let’s put it to a vote. As ludicrous as it may sound, if the general consensus is that I fall into that category then I will voluntarily leave Blogcritics. If however Mouthy Diva is the BIGOT that we all know she is then I challenge her to leave BC (for good this time) and put an end to her perverse caterwauling.

So who is the REAL Bigot around here? Fellow Blogcritics please speak up! (Voters must be age 18 or over and own a valid IP address).

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  • http://macaronies.blogspot.com Mac Diva

    Pathetic! This is supposed to be a blog entry? Bumbling Buffoon’s brown-nosing of David Yeagley last week was bad enough, but now he has lost what little mind he has ever had.

  • http://www.blogbloke.com BB

    Ouch! Mouthy Diva, please stop voting for yourself. That’s cheating :-)

    And besides, you are obviously not bright enough to realize you are only making my point for me. Take some good advice and quit while you’re behind.

  • http://ww.jackejett.com jack e .jett

    okay.

    is there any prize associated with this?

    any wagering going on?

    whoever is chosen the “biggest bigot” and they are unable to fulfill their duties as such, the first runner up “second biggest bigot” shall continue to reign.

    if the “biggest bigot” chooses to pose nude in playboy/playgirl, this will disqualify them, as this would bring shame on the bigot community.

    the winner of the contest will have a chance to appear on “the jack e. jett show” and a possible date with doris roberts from “everybody loves raymond”.

    best of luck to you all

    jack e. jett.

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net Ms. Tek

    Greaaaaat… Now I have that damn “real slim shady” song going on over and over and over in my head!

  • ClubhouseCancer

    I vote for Yngvie Malmsteen.
    Where’s Slash?

  • http://www.kalyr.com/weblog Tim Hall

    Malmsteen? What about Ted Nugent?

  • http:///www.jackejett.com jack e. jet

    question for bigot number contestant one.

    if the world were a pecan tree and you were a christian, would you steal pecans from the world pecan tree?

    question for bigot contestant #2

    if you had a hammer, would you hammer in the morning, in the evening, all over this land?

    jej

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net Ms. Tek

    It’s days like this that I wonder if fart jokes are so low-brow after all?

  • HW Saxton Jr.

    Terrence & Phillip RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.blogbloke.com BB

    I’m still waiting Mouthy Diva. Are you going to make a “substantive” effort to back up your allegations? I’m all pins and needles and just in the mood. Speak now and put your foot in it and let the world know the fraud that you are, or forever shut your hole.

  • http://www.tude.com/ Hal Pawluk

    Sorry, Bloke, but you should think of this as the kitchen, and the heat has just been turned up.

    Your move.

  • http://www.blogbloke.com BB

    This trashy episode is so typical. Mouthy Diva peruses the posts to make her infamous hit and run smear campaigns and then vanishes into the ethernet only to raise her ugly head another day. What is even more astonishing is that she could utter anything at all from her vile ‘Mouth’ with that big foot of hers in it so I will waste little time on this. Here is the link that she refers to. Any reasonable person that is not full of vomit and vinegar and with some semblance of intelligence can see there is no merit to her defamatory allegation. The fact is Mr. Yeagley was a racist and I told him so. He was courteous in his response so I reciprocated – a trait that MD would be well served to emulate.

    Accusing me of ‘brown’-nosing? Just another racist comment I can only presume. If anybody can be called a racist it would be Madame Holier than thou Macaroni, and if she wants to get into it I will be more than happy to discuss her degenerate record in greater detail. That is problematic however because there is so much material available, the difficulty therein would be deciding where to begin.
    I could think of any number of superlatives that would barely do her justice. But why reinvent the wheel? I will let her fan club speak for itself.

  • http://www.shortstrangetrip.org Joe

    BB- Steady. The beauty of Blogcritics is that you actually get cats and dogs living together. Do you really want to eliminate the prime source of unintentional comedy from our number? I personally look forward to the Queeg-like meltdowns and condescension, you can’t make that shit up. She’s not going anywhere, she’s got nowhere else to go, so buck up and accept it for what its worth. Sure, it gets irritating, never getting the last word, but you’re a parent, I’m certain you’ve been throught that with a five year old. Oh, and she does have a kick ass vocabulary.

    In fontina’s name…

  • http://www.blogbloke.com BB

    “Queeg-like meltdowns… and a kick ass vocabulary”

    That is if you consider predictable cliche and degenerate epigrams entertaining :-)

  • http://home.earthlink.net/~fwbull/sale_intro.html Shark

    I vote for….

    “…Queeg-like meltdowns and condescension…”

    Oh, wait. I thought this was the “Marketing Mac” Contest.

    “Who ate the strawberries? The ignorant RACIST sock-puppet! That’s who!”

    When I first came here (a few days ago), I didn’t realize that Mac was so infamous. It only took a few reads to figure it out.

    Man, she’s not only infamous, SHE’S *LEGENDARY.

    *google

    But I’m with Joe on this one: Do you really want to eliminate the prime source of unintentional comedy from our number?

    Not me. Besides: I love reading cut and pasted ‘news’ articles sprinkled with bland, unoriginal ‘commentary’ that states the obvious.

    Here’s my entry for best Marketing Campaign for Mac Diva:

    “Types More. Says Less.”

    examples:

    Mac writes about:

    1) Hip-hop: “The inanity of the lyrics, which often focus on hallucinogens, ‘hos’ and homicide, leaves something to be desired, too. The other aspect of hip hop culture that has left me ambivalent is its ongoing relationship with violence.”

    A ‘Vanilla Ice’ fan just woke up in the 21st century.

    2)On Contemporary Politics: “The most significant change in American political scene during the last decades was the emergence of the GOP’s Southern Strategy. It encouraged the exodus of working and middle-class white Americans from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party. That in turn, resulted in conservative dominance of federal politics. The GOP has also increased its share of governorships and other state offices.”

    A Junior High history teacher explains America to Rip Van Winkle.

    3) On the cultural implications of Janet Jackson (titled: “What about the bling-bling”—i know, i know, don’t laugh…): “Sometimes, I suspect I’m being naive not to realize everything in America…is about money. …I had almost convinced myself Jackson is the loser in this episode — what with the FCC investigation, sneers from some peers and being dumped by the Grammy people. But, if the Super Bowl stunt rejuvenates her career, as it appears it may, she will surely have won more than she has lost.”

    Without this simplistic, condescending explanation, ya never would have known that titty thing was a marketing ploy, would ya, America?

    4) On “Advice” to Bloggers (in a thinly veiled attack on the Shark): “I believe it is like any other endeavor in that a person [ed. note: me] should learn what blogs are and do before attempting to have one.”

    This post is filled with ironies: her ‘essay’ style is an example of exactly why I crticize her; and she’s ‘lecturing’ someone whose blog career is preceded by decades as a professional writer: Me.

    5) On the FCC and Language: “What is considered acceptable language changes over time and by context.

    Quick! E-mail Alfred Korzybski! He’s gonna wanna read this!

    =================================

    I could go on and on, but I’ll spare you any more of her “insights”.

    But if this condescending, delusional, self-loathing, victim-poseur windbag keeps jackin’ with the Shark… I might have to get serious.

    heh.

    Don’t forget: cast your vote for:

    “TYPES MORE—SAYS *LESS!”

    *contains less than 1gm carbohydrates and original thoughts

  • http://home.earthlink.net/~fwbull/sale_intro.html Shark

    Check out my comment #3 in “Bling Bling”

    For growing evidence of *Mac’s “inspiration” when it comes to her garrulous, ubiquitous Blogcritic cultural insights.

    *she says she’s a journalist: could it be Jayson Blair using a psuedonym?

  • http://home.earthlink.net/~fwbull/sale_intro.html Shark

    Mac on her own…sorta

    Compare that with this example of our Mac writing on the fly without the bricks of a cut/paste news story to hold together the glue of her random thoughts.

    It’s rambling, disjointed, and pretty darn pointless.

    But dammit, IT’S GETTIN’ READ by the public!

    Feh.

  • http://www.blogbloke.com BB

    I’m torn between pitying her or disgusted to the point of vomiting. Anybody with such a fixation on “white” people and sees everything through colored spectacles has a serious problem. As for her alleged credentials – ie being a pseudo lawyer / slash / pseudo journalist, I have serious doubts about either. She couldn’t win an argument based on logic or common sense if her life depended on it. So she make baseless accusations of racism and disappears into the ethernet. It is cybernet terrorism at its worst. Talk about the kettle calling the pot black. Sad, so very, very sad.

    The point of this post was to make a stand and shame her out of the blogosphere once and for all. If anything, it has at least proven that nobody takes her seriously and I hope for her sake she gets the message. But if she is as dense as she appears…

  • Eric Olsen

    I don’t like the tone of this: I understand people feeling picked upon, abused, etc, and I agree that some people, including Mac Diva, can be very personal and cutting in their attacks, none of which I like. But setting up an all or nothing, she or me, unambiguous ultimatum in a post can come to no good.

    No one is perfect, but Mac Diva is an excellent and regular contributor and Blogcritics would be a lesser place without her on many levels. And I disagree with the dismissal of her insights and writing talents – hers are far above the norm. Nor do I wish BB to be driven away. This post has set up a false dichotomy.

    This is the home of dogs and cats living together as Joe said – there is inherent and inevitable conflict under such an arrangement and we will have to live with such. But I would like to see everyone treated with respect AND THE ASSUMPTION OF GOOD WILL until proven otherwise.

    I would like to see the mediator return to mediating.

  • http://www.blogbloke.com BB

    Eric, I take no enjoyment in attacking anybody. I believe in edification – not destruction. Nevertheless, I have been shamelessly attacked by Mac Diva and have no choice but to defend myself and let the facts speak for itself. This post was her opportunity to prove me wrong, or for lack of a better word forever shut her blow hole.

    If you think I like the “tone” of this post then think again Eric. But it seems to me you have made more virulent attacks than I, and if you want to publicly ridicule somebody then kindly cast your incriminations at the perpetrator – aka Mac Diva. As the Shark states she is “LEGENDARY” in the blogosphere. Nothing would make me happier than to “mediate” this matter, but she doesn’t even have the good sense or character to back down or admit when she’s wrong. At least Yeagley had manners. Before becoming a mediator I was a litigator second to none and the master of chagrin, and if she wants to get down and dirty I can compete with the best. If anything this serves notice that if she hasn’t got the good sense to mind her words with yours truly then I will be waiting Mac Diva. You can count on it. Either way its her choice.

  • Eric Olsen

    I am sure I make virulent attacks, but not directly on fellow Blogcritics, with whom I am in this together. Belonging and contributing does confer a higher level of toleration, and the comments section is a much more informal arena than actual posts, even if the difference seems negiligible.

    The only post we have ever censored on the site was one Blogcritic attacking another in a very personal manner, and that is an area we would like to stay away from. I am not talking about disagreements on matters of fact or opinion, but about direct personal confrontation of a negative manner.

    Absolutely, everyone should feel free to defend themselves but I would very much prefer to not see the defense escalated beyond the perceived attack.

    And this is not directed at you, but at the situation.

  • http://www.blogbloke.com BB

    Thank you Eric and in theory I wholehearted agree. But the reality is BC has a very REAL problem with MD. She has a vile mouth – period. Just look at how all this started. She was abusing a newcomer to BC and all that I did was come to her defence. This lady “browngirl” was intelligent, articulate and would have made an excellent contribution to BC. Then the resident shrill showed up to abuse her and I would not be surprised if “browngirl” shakes the dust off her feet and not come back. There can be NO justification or excuse for Mac Diva. I hate to say it but sooner or later you are going to have to make a choice with MD. You will lose a lot of good Blogcritics around here if you don’t bridle her vile mouth or get rid of her. She has proven the fact that she will not change so it comes down to one and only one choice. You know that is true because I am not the first to state this obvious fact. That is unfortunately the truth so kindly don’t shoot the messenger.

  • Eric Olsen

    I don’t have the sense that the situation is so Manichaean: people form ad hoc alliances on different topics that then dissolve with pretty constant fluidity. People do hold personal grudges, it is clear and unfortunate, but for the most part alliances are topic and policy-driven.

    If we look only at the worst behavior – especially those with bad tempers such as myself – many of us would not come out looking too good.

    And Browngirl is around today, I am happy to say.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    Shouldn’t this conversation be taken offline? I know I’ve participated in a few heated comments threads, but if we want blogging in general and Blogcritics in particular to be taken seriously by a larger audience than ourselves, then I think these types of posts will have to stop.

    Right now, I feel badly for Eric and Phillip and all the others who have invested so much in this site only to have a “family spat” broadcast on the front page.

    I think if someone has a problem with another BC, s/he should take it up with “management” rather than take a vote to kick someone off the island. [I’m not exonerating myself, of course, as I ironically add to the thread I’m saying shouldn’t be here in the first place.]

  • Eric Olsen

    I guess that’s what I was trying to say in a very circuitous and verbose manner – thanks bhw.

  • http://www.blogbloke.com BB

    Eric it is time to face the obvious instead of sweeping it under the rug. The Mediator in me is now working so I am willing to give her ONE LAST opportunity to redeem herself. Unfortunately, as she so explicitly stated, she doesn’t believe that everybody is redeemable so I am not holding my breath. She can come to this post and state unequivocally that she will cease and desist from her vile ways OR hit the road where the rubber meets the pavement. She can have her opportunity to mend her ways, BUT by God if she doesn’t then either BC throws her into junkpile of the Blogosphere or I am gone and I know that many will also follow.

  • http://www.makeyougohmm.com/ TDavid

    I just read an email from Eric that said traffic has doubled on average since the Janet Jackson boob incident, so I doubt seriously that this post — this ‘private discussion’ — has any realistic potential to affect this website negatively.

    Therefore, I disagree, bhw, that this situation should not be discussed out in the open. However, I will agree with Eric that a poll and an ultimatium isn’t the right way to do this (read my next post for the details, BB, because I’ve got a lot more to say about this whole poll business).

    Mac Diva doesn’t choose to attack people privately, so why should she be afforded this same professional courtesy? If she wants to drag things down into the sewer, she gets what she gives in my book.

    If I was new to this site and the internet experience as a whole and was flamed by Mac Diva I might never return. Thankfully, Browngirl is obviously more well-travelled on the web and used to keyboard warriors like this.

    Mac Diva is tame in comparison to some of the wild characters I’ve encountered around the web in various communities over the years. The key difference is that in those communities they have moderators and safeguards to ensure that they are in fact dealing with one registered, logged in user.

    With the system here there is no guarantee that Mac Diva isn’t really the work of a series of collaborative writers. Sometimes “she” might not even be writing these venomous attacks. Maybe it’s a he.

    Until somebody reliable comes forth with the assertion that she is a real person and not some work of fiction, I only believe a very small portion of what she claims (lawyer, professional writer, etc).

    This technical and very real fact shouldn’t be taken lightly that Mac Diva could be Mac GroupYa for all we really know.

  • http://w6daily.winn.com/ Phillip Winn

    Since BB can’t take a hint, I think I might vote for BB. :-)

    Hey, BB, I think what everybody on this thread is trying to tell you is this: CHILL OUT!

  • http://www.iamrighturpie.blogspot.com/ jadester

    i don’t necessarily agree with MD, but i would like to point out that blogcritics is a public website. Those of us who post here, choose to do so of our own free will. When we post, (i thought) we all understand the fact that we are baring our writing for, in theory, anyone in the world to read and comment on. You may find some comments and commenters annoying, distressing, upsetting etc. but the fact is, you post your writing, and it’s out there. If you really, really do not like a certain commenter, simply ignore them. That’s the beauty of blogcritics, but i can see some writers are still having trouble dealing with it.

  • http://w6daily.winn.com/ Phillip Winn

    P.S. I’m actually not voting, for the excellent reason that I think it’s a foolish poll.

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net Ms. Tek

    For lunch today, I am going to make a grilled cheese sandwich with a piece of thinly sliced smoked turkey on it. However I just realized that is it almost 3 pm- This means that my grilled cheese yumminess will be more like a snack than lunch.

    This once again proves cheese’s astonishing versatility!

  • http://www.iamrighturpie.blgospot.com/ jadester

    i would also like to point out that this appears to be about, amongst other things, comments and commenters on blogcritics.
    Therefore, i feel obliged to point out:
    Blogcritics Official Comment Policy

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    TDavid, I hear you, but I think this type of post is unprofessional, which makes the site look bad. I don’t know if it will drive down page hits, but it doesn’t make BC look like a group of serious writers and commentators. It feels more like high school. Internal spats should be kept internal.

    Eric is busily trying to sell BC posts to other outlets. The spelling errors alone are enough to turn some potential buyers off, never mind the family spats. If a potential buyer saw this post listed on the front page, s/he very well might have second thoughts about buying/licensing the content herein.

    Everyone knows that blog comment threads are wild and unpredictable and do often turn into sparring matches, not just on this site. But I think the BC posts themselves ought not be so self-refexive that they air BC infighting for all to see.

    Just my two cents on the matter ….

  • http://www.makeyougohmm.com/ TDavid

    BB –

    I think all Mac Diva’s sparring partners know that she is not going to rise up and materialize for any sort of challenge like this.

    She’s probably thinking that this whole post/poll idea is childish and beneath her (as evidenced by her “you’ve lost your mind” spiel in comment #1). If the bulk of people who have interacted with her here voted it would be a landslide in favor of her leaving this website, regardless of what Eric posted above.

    If anybody doubts what she’s really about then I encourage them to first read her past commenting history. There’s at least 100 quotes in there that not even a pig could swallow.

    At one point I was actually keeping a notepad list of her outrageous, inflammatory, sometimes completely contradictory responses to people, including me, at this site and then I just gave up because there were too many, too often.

    I have much better things to do than report on stupid, outrageous things somebody I don’t even know says at some website that I don’t own or operate. Besides, I come here for pleasure, not for business, or I’d be linking to my money-making websites ;)

    If I were Eric and/or Phillip, however, I’d be keeping a very close eye on her situation, as I’m sure they are, even if they haven’t yet admitted to doing so publically. Loose cannons sink ships, and she has been known to make PLENTY OF ASSUMPTIONS WITHOUT FACTS (to use Eric’s cap scheme).

    She does seem to operate in stages of moods, doesn’t she?

    There are times where she simmers down with the commentary and actually makes good sense. Then there are periods, pun intended, where she’ll flame some newer Blogcritic with absolutely no just cause.

    I could see how some newer writer or contributer who wasn’t that familiar with internet communities visiting this site could meet The Diva’s wrath too early on and might never return. On the other hand, I could see how MD could be a magnet for this website with newcomers who fight her and become part of the growing MD spurned club ;)

    There are threads upon threads of her tearing people up around here and when folks come back with logic and reason she vanishes. Every time. Without fail. Bank on it.

    So here’s a tip for those who have trouble with Mac Diva: make her stick to facts. Make her deal with what was done and what was said specifically. Her wall of stone totally crumbles under the pressure of facts and details. In fiction, she’s a wordsmith, but drag her into the world of non-fiction and its game over. Details and facts aren’t unimportant little things in non-fiction.

    Yes, there are times that I wonder if she is even real. She’d be a somewhat useful fictional flamer / marketing gimmick, wouldn’t she?

    (and this would also make sense why Eric doesn’t want her to go away)

    Really, think about this.

    The reason I say this is when she is pressed into being factual or when she has totally tripped herself up with her commentary, she disappears. If someone were playing her as a mask or character, wouldn’t that be representative of writing that character into a corner? Or of giving that delusional character a pouting break?

    With the anonymous and easily averted nature of this board commenting system this isn’t really all that far fetched. Think about it.

    Personally, I think she actually enjoys harassing both writers and readers. Maybe she goes to bed dreaming of who she’s going to flame here next. Maybe she is into BDSM and happens to be one of those dominant types and expects all us supposed “Right Wingers” to be her submissive slaves.

    It’s all her scheme to get people to write about her in their blogs and link to her so her googlejuice explodes. LOL I guarantee if she is real then she’ll write some book or article about all the fools she fooled, because you can bet that she is keeping notes on all of us (albeit scattered notes, because her “facts” are easily disputed in 99.9% of cases).

    I may write to her all day in the comments section here but I’ve yet to link her blog up on any of our websites, which would help her and show that I actually thought more of what she had to say then as some playful adversary. It’s her loss for not being real. Maybe one day she’ll learn that you catch more flies with …

    From a Blogcritics standpoint, her entry writing is usually of high quality and I agree with Eric’s comments there, but as I’ve said several times in other threads before, her commenting and people skills are in serious disrepair.

    She constantly can be caught in obvious contradictions, making false statements (like her telling people they said things they never said). I think she gets all us “right wing white boys” mixed up. That was another of her outrageous and hypocritical quotes not too long ago.

    As Joe said above, her comic relief factor is good though. I wouldn’t let her juvenile namecalling get to you because then she wins the battle for that day, regardless of the poll results (which can be easily averted with a proxy server anyway).

    You are both a value to this website, so I would suggest doing what I do with Mac Diva: when she says something outrageous just keep holding her feet to the fire, and the rest of time just put her on auto-ignore. It takes two to tango, you know :)

    I’m pretty sure that if she ever completely stops producing worthwhile material — or the balance of the good vs. bad completely tips the scales (sometimes it already does, IMO) — Eric and Phillip will have the intelligence to ask her to leave. They are smart guys who are looking at this from a business standpoint. There is no other logical reason to keep encouraging her presence here.

    Look at how quickly they wanted to dispatch of that eagle dude (purposefully not saying his name). He was just downright bad news. Mac Diva, despite her shortcomings, doesn’t belong in that camp.

    Eric recently wrote that traffic is increasing here, not decreasing, so they must be doing something right in that department, yes? ;) That of course wouldn’t happen without all of us — including the contribution of Mac Diva.

    As it sits though, Eric, Phillip, even myself who have all been in the crosshairs of Mac Diva at various times in the past, also all asked her to stay when she tried to quit last time. This was after she deleted all her words that she had contributed, mind you.

    This wild deletion action alone should be evidence that she places a very low value on the words churned out over here. I would suggest placing the same value on her words.

    For all these reasons, I won’t be voting in this poll, sorry.

    If I was forced to vote, however, you’d obviously get my vote, BB. So please proceed with the knowledge that I do agree with and am sympathetic with your situation.

    Mac Diva is like a road hazard. Just speed over or drive around it.

    But, we should all be mindful that if the traffic to this site starts taking a nose dive and people who are helping it grow start disappearing then I am 99.9% certain Eric’s point of view on the usefulness of “Mac Diva” will change.

    Personally, I think if she does exist in the real, offline world then she’ll burn herself out on this website before 2004 is up like she’s done elsewhere in the blogosphere. I hope I’m wrong, but I seriously doubt her longevity. A character like this cannot function for the distance with so much poison.

  • Eric Olsen

    this reflects what I was trying to say about posts vs. comments

  • Shark

    Eric, et. al.

    Just as a matter of record:

    1) I think BB’s poll was silly, immature, and ridiculous.

    2) I am in no way ‘allied’ with anyone.

    3) I came to BC with no preconceived notions, and it took about two days to smell a fish in the Macaroni. A couple of more–and she launched into me with her usual style.

    4) re: Quality of the site: Mac dominates BC ‘entrys’ daily, and the quality is just not there. 99% are cut/paste news stories interspersed with obvious, simplistic “comments.”

    Her slam-bam-quickie torrent of ENTRYS wouldn’t matter, but I’ve noticed that some excellent stories get knocked into the semi-oblivion downstairs (small listings in chronological order under category) once Mac shows up with her daily dose of regurgitated news links.

    It could be argued that THAT effects the overall quality of the site. ie. Somebody like Hal Pawluk gets bounced after 15 minutes on the upper banner because Mac wants to dump another load.

    But the quality of her writing is perhaps a subjective issue; BUT on the objective side, she dances mighty close to plagiarism in a number of her posts; at the very least, she often doesn’t make it CLEAR who is writing what; either an error of attribution or a subtle attempt to claim authorship.

    Obviously, I think #4 is of some importance to BC, its administrators, and the general future of the site’s legitimacy, etc.

    Sincerely,
    Shark

  • Eric Olsen
  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    Shark, I see a LOT of posts on BC where people write one or two introductory sentences and then paste in a large portion of a news story or other published piece.

    It may be that as BC grows Eric and Phillip may have to create an editorial policy and start approving posts before they hit the front page, for a variety of reasons.

    Eric, I think you do a very good job of asking the BCs to do keep the quality high, and that, right now, there’s no way you can administer the site in the way I just suggested. I like BC as it is, but to take it to the next level, some of us BCs might have to be edited out of the posting process.

  • http://www.blogbloke.com BB

    bhw – pointing out the unprofessionalism and blemishes of certain members of this site was the point of this post. Somebody had to state the obvious.

    TD as always you make good points but I must say I’m a little disappointed for you were one of the first to say you would leave BC if MD doesn’t put a lid on it. As far as going “public” I see no difference between a comment or a post. All statements are public as far as the Google God is concerned. In the case of MD I wouldn’t be surprised if she is indeed inhabited with multiple personalities. I do appreciate the vote of confidence however, albeit unofficially :-).

    Phillip I’ve heard much worse from you in your scathing remarks against the ‘Mouth’ so please vote according to your conscience. Either way at this point I don’t really care because I didn’t sign up for this gig to be abused. You couldn’t pay me enough. Really, I am “chilled” and I hope I’ve made my point. MD stay the hell away from me or you will reap it girl (or whatever you are). Comprende?

  • http://www.makeyougohmm.com/ TDavid

    This is an excellent point, bhw:

    Eric is busily trying to sell BC posts to other outlets. The spelling errors alone are enough to turn some potential buyers off, never mind the family spats. If a potential buyer saw this post listed on the front page, s/he very well might have second thoughts about buying/licensing the content herein.

    But it is my understanding (somebody please correct me if I’m wrong) that the deal with Advance only includes reviews which as I’ve said several times are the most valuable, worthwhile content on this website.

    I’ve got newsreaders which keep me up to date on the news-related pieces, so I don’t need to visit Blogcritics for that.

    The reviews, however, are of higher quality, unique and worthwhile.

    These other discussions are only worthwhile to the people who (mostly regularly) interact at this website. They are probably quick passover fodder for those new to the website anyway.

    I would futher recommend that they not include the whole Et Cetera category and move any non-review post that is miscategorized to this internal listing that isn’t redistributed.

    This would shelter this content that is clearly site-centric from potential business associates. An editor’s primary job is filtering and it seems to me that Eric has already recognized the wheat from the chaff at this website.

    Just my 2 1/2 rusted pennies.

  • http://www.blogbloke.com BB

    “I think BB’s poll was silly, immature, and ridiculous.”

    Shark, a smart guy like you should understand that sometimes it is necessary to stand on one’s head in order to state the obvious and what needs to be said.

  • http://www.blogbloke.com BB

    The purpose of this post was to state the obvious and what needed to be said. Sometimes extraordinary measures need to be taken to get the point across and that was the reason for this post. If anybody didn’t get that then frankly I don’t give a shite. The point is NOT if you agree this post was in the proper forum. The point is, well… you figure it out.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    Okay, guys, I’ll say this and then stfu and leave it alone.

    Even if google sees no difference between posts and comments, readers often do. To me, on ANY site, the posts imply a different editorial standard than the comments do. Here at BC, the content of the posts matters more since they’re representing the “superior bloggers” advertised at the top of the page.

    So if we just fight amongst ourselves in our posts, what’s so great about us?

  • Shark

    bhw: “…I see a LOT of posts on BC where people write one or two introductory sentences and then paste in a large portion of a news story or other published piece.”

    Yes, and a majority include valuable insights, opinions, interpretations, conversation starters, etc.

    BC posts should educate, enlighten, and/or entertain.

    Hard to demand that daily, but they are there. They just get bumped too often by crap. (sometimes—mine; hey, ya win some/lose some)

    Maybe BCers should be restricted to a certain # per day? I dunno.

    (Hey Eric, how do you like us brain-storming on your business plan?)

    BTW: I understand what a mammoth job Eric has— and I do appreciate the quality (and time) of his work.

    Anyhoo, Shark doesn’t want to be a turd in the punchbowl, but sometimes MD just gets *outta hand, a digital version of the chinese water torture… drip, drip, racist!, drip, drip…Freeper… drip, drip…

    Sorry. I cracked!

    I’ll try to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

    * a recent ‘entry’ was a thinly veiled critique of yers truly—

  • http://www.blogbloke.com BB

    There will be no apology from yours truly unless MD goes first. I don’t imagine that’s going to happen so I stand by what I’ve said. For the record all of my posts stand on its own merit. I am a reasonable person more than most here, but hey ho ho MD has just got to go. If I was paid to be a self-appointed masochist I could see a reason for sticking around. But if Blogcritics is merely a circus for under-paid freak shows then I have to reconsider my involvement. If this post has offended anybody (besides MD) then I do sincerely apologize. If it has been entertaining to some then I can recommend a good shrink. If this post has offended MD then it has at least served some useful purpose. Best..

  • Jonathan

    Boring.

  • http://macaronies.blogspot.com Mac Diva

    I will not be apologizing to anyone because I have nothing to apologize for.

    Newer members of Blogcritics, such bhw and Vic, may not realize it, but Blog Bloke and his ilk have been successful in driving some of the better writers for Blogcritics away in the past. They do it by setting up attack threads like this and piling on the blogger’s threads and harassing him. The blogger gets fed up and leaves. There are other group blogs that those of us who are considered good writers get invitations to join. So, they move on.

    Shark should never have been allowed to join Blogcritics, in my opinion. He didn’t have a blog when he arrived a couple weeks ago and clearly is not familiar with what blogs do. One of his first posts was an attack on Eric and myself. I had posted a follow-up entry about rap music and the integration of hip hop culture into the general population. It quoted a piece by Eric and an entry I had written for Mac-a-ro-nies about the Jonathan Luna case. Shark claimed the entry was public relations releases. I tried to explain the difference between a PR release and a news story to him, but it doesn’t seem to have taken. Subsequently, he has constantly shrieked about links. Well, links are one of the mainstays of blogging. I have been described as one of the best writers of the personal essay in the blogosphere, but I consider links essential to most entries. Now, Shark is posting blog entries that consist of an introductory sentence or two and news stories quoted at length, and sometimes without attribution. This is the kind of mess one gets when someone who doesn’t know blogging from a hole in the ground up and decides he is a blogger. And, the ego. The guy can barely crawl and he thinks he is running marathons.

    If I ran a group blog, I would only consider people with some experience. I would also ask them to send in sample entries, which is the norm for writers in the real world. That would allow me to check the things TDavid is concerned about. Can the person write viable sentences and paragraphs? Are his spelling and grammar par for the course at least? Can he grasp and express ideas? That would involve additional work and I understand why Blogcritics doesn’t do it. But, in an ideal blogosphere, parameters like that would be set.

    I would be remiss if I did not say something about loud mouths and Blogcritics. People arrive here and see the comments dominated by the likes of BB. They mistakenly see that sort of person as a leading blogger. And . . . they are completely wrong. Blog Bloke’s blog barely exists, as is true for his one or two followers. These guys’ (so far it is males) thing is to act as the attack sharks of Blogcritics — running off people who can do what they can’t, blog. That is their route to attention. They are barely bloggers at all. I don’t know what can be done about this, but it is an important part of why people get a negative impression of Blogcritics and why some good writers leave.

    What I hope will be a final word on Blog Bloke and David Yeagley. Do read his comments on that thread again. He, rather reluctantly, does criticize Yeagley, but he can barely contain his jabs at me. As for his latest, in addition to showing he does not know how to do something as simple as a Google search, Blog Bloke is aligning himself with Yeagley again. The ‘Mac Diva hate page’ he so happily crows about is, you guessed it, the work of the group Yeagley is affiliated with, Steve Sailer’s white supremacist clique online. They’ve set up those for the few bloggers who write about their hateful agenda. The name Richard Poe may sound familiar to you. That is because David Yeagley kept citing Richard Poe (a Chicano sycophant who plays the same role in the movement as Yeagley does for Indians) as his mentor and advisor. Poe apparently persuaded Yeagley to remove the picture depicting Janet Jackson as a gorilla from his site. He is much smarter than Yeagley. Same racist beliefs, but capable of subtlety. Now we have BB citing him and the other members of the group approvingly. Maybe he will officially join it next. I’ve known these people for years, there are no surprises for me in regard to them. The hate page? Knew about it from the day it was put up. I don’t use the phrase ‘bumbling’ to describe Blog Bloke lightly. What else can you call someone who applauds the very people is claims he is opposed to and is too dumb to know it?

    Many inept bloggers stop on their own. Perhaps they take up rose horticulture and kill the plants instead. I don’t consider their loss to the blogosphere a bad thing at all. I think it helps us.

  • David White

    I think she broke a nail or maybe got a
    run in her new nylons,she should go and
    indulge in some Haagen Daazs maybe……
    or just shut the FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://macaronies.blogspot.com Mac Diva

    That guy above tried to have a blog. It failed. Miserably. He couldn’t think or write, and his tendency to scream and curse a lot did not make up for his failings.

    I forgot to add that I find the idea of someone keeping a list of what I say that he that he finds objectionable laughable. Hello? What makes him a judge of what it is acceptable for me to think? There are some very insecure white men in this country. This thread is a testimony to that.

    I don’t expend much energy on my critics. Can’t even imagine going to the trouble of recording the puerile brain droppings of someone like BB. If it wasn’t necessary to set the record straight from time to time, I wouldn’t respond at all.

  • http://www.blogbloke.com BB

    Well people the screaming banchy finally rears its ugly head. Need I say any more? Oh well I can’t resist.

    Mouthy Diva you just love to play dirty don’t you? Short on brains but long in the mouth. I suppose it’s time to take the gloves off. Keep it up and I will have to take you downtown and remove those soiled knickers of yours and give you a public spanking the likes of which your twisted mind could only hope for.

    Is that really the best you can do? Do you honestly believe that anybody with any semblance of intelligence will take you seriously? Henceforth before you decide to make defamatory comments back it up with the facts or kindly shut that filthy hole of yours.

    For lack of a better word you are severely wacked, so please do us all a favour and get a brain before opening that ignorant mouth. Everybody that has been around BC knows your past and try as you may you can’t rewrite history. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but those are the facts and reality sucks doesn’t it? And speaking of reality, all anybody needs to do is check your history on Blogcritics or Google and they will find out the fraud that you really are. You have offended half the entire blogosphere with your vile rants and one wonders how you even sleep at night. And what do your fans think of you? Well let’s do a little Googling and take a look shall we? Here is an interesting link titled “Mac Diva, Troll of Blogcritics.org”. Or how about “Mac Diva – Bigot, Fraud and Hypocrite”, or this one, or this one, or.. well you get the message. But perhaps maybe the blogosphere has got it all wrong about Mouthy Diva? I think – not.

    So let me get this straight. You are slurring me because I refused to resort to name calling of Mr. Yeagley at this link here and because I defended Mr. Barger from your slurs at this link. Very interesting logic Mouthy Diva. Because I refused to lower to your level I am guilty of sedition am I? My God, what kind of a twisted degenerate brain could come with such nonsense? Alright then, I challenge any reasonable person (that of course excludes you) at Blogcritics to tell me how that could possibly incriminate me – of anything but trying to be reasonable in the face of mayhem – something that you are most excellent at causing, bar none. In the alternative, I can find a racist opinion in most any comment or post that you have ever made on BC. Your fixation on “white” people and calling anyone racist that disagrees with you is neurotic and as the Shark says even “LEGENDARY”.

    Mouthy Diva although it grieves me to say this, you are Liar, a Fraud, and an extremely Sick and Dangerous individual (or entity). I am keeping a record of your slurs and look forward to meeting you in person (and I use that word loosely) some day. Perhaps in a court room and we shall see what kind of a liar, er lawyer you really are made of. Feh!

  • http://www.blogbloke.com BB

    Well people the screaming banchy finally rears its ugly head. Need I say any more? Oh well I can’t resist.

    Mouthy Diva you just love to play dirty don’t you? Short on brains but long in the mouth. I suppose it’s time to take the gloves off. Keep it up and I will have to take you downtown and remove those soiled knickers of yours and give you a public spanking the likes of which your twisted mind could only hope for.

    Is that really the best you can do? Do you honestly believe that anybody with any semblance of intelligence will take you seriously? Henceforth before you decide to make defamatory comments back it up with the facts or kindly shut that filthy hole of yours.

    For lack of a better word you are severely wacked, so please do us all a favour and get a brain before opening that ignorant mouth. Everybody that has been around BC knows your past and try as you may you can’t rewrite history. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but those are the facts and reality sucks doesn’t it? And speaking of reality, all anybody needs to do is check your history on Blogcritics or Google and they will find out the fraud that you really are. You have offended half the entire blogosphere with your vile rants and one wonders how you even sleep at night. And what do your fans think of you? Well let’s do a little Googling and take a look shall we? Here is an interesting link titled “Mac Diva, Troll of Blogcritics.org”. Or how about “Mac Diva – Bigot, Fraud and Hypocrite”, or this one, or this one, or.. well you get the message. But perhaps maybe the blogosphere has got it all wrong about Mouthy Diva? I think – not.

    So let me get this straight. You are slurring me because I refused to resort to name calling of Mr. Yeagley at this link here and because I defended Mr. Barger from your slurs at this link. Very interesting logic Mouthy Diva. Because I refused to lower to your level I am guilty of sedition am I? My God, what kind of a twisted degenerate brain could come with such nonsense? Alright then, I challenge any reasonable person (that of course excludes you) at Blogcritics to tell me how that could possibly incriminate me – of anything but trying to be reasonable in the face of mayhem – something that you are most excellent at causing, bar none. In the alternative, I can find a racist opinion in most any comment or post that you have ever made on BC. Your fixation on “white” people and calling anyone racist that disagrees with you is neurotic and as the Shark says even “LEGENDARY”.

    Mouthy Diva although it grieves me to say this, you are Liar, a Fraud, and an extremely Sick and Dangerous individual (or entity). I am keeping a record of your slurs and look forward to meeting you in person (and I use that word loosely) some day. Perhaps in a court room and we shall see what kind of a liar, er lawyer you really are made of. Feh!

  • http://www.blogbloke.com BB

    This is my epilogue with respect to the infamous Mac Diva. I closed the comments on this post so that it would not be further soiled by Mouthy D and not degenerate any further than it already has, and as a testament to her vileness. It should be apparent to all by now that Mac Diva has serious issues. Like TD stated, one even wonders if ‘she’ is not in fact a group of fanatical bloggers disguised under the entity known as Mac Diva. No doubt she (or it) is enjoying some perverse pleasure from all of the attention received.

    Do I regret making this post? Well.. yes and no. It was out of character for me and all of my pent up disgust for MD was unleashed in one virulent moment. I am personally disappointed that it was necessary to make this post to expose her for the fraud that she is. On the other hand I firmly believe that she deserved everything she got and even more so. To set the record straight my definitive view on race can be found at this link. It will also give you a little better insight into the mind of MD, albeit it is fairly tame in comparison to the body of her work.

    I have been a professional advocate for most of my adult life and I believe that I have only stated the obvious. I chose to make a separate post because it was the only way that I could bring this issue to the fore and say what needed to be said. I agree that this post degenerated lower than I would like to have. After having to deal with a bona fide racist such as Mr. Yeagley, I was so sickened by it all that emotions unfortunately did get the better of me, and for that I do apologize and will try not to let it happen again. For anybody that was offended or disagrees with my reasons for this post I also sincerely apologize.

    For those who are new to blogcritics, from experience the best way to deal with these fanatics is to just ignore them. If you do not wish to be flamed by her then by all means avoid her posts and especially the controversial topics (you know what I mean).

    One of MD’s favorite put downs is to belittle your blog via technorati link stats. Do not allow yourself to be troubled by Oh Mouthy one’s perverse tripe for its numbers are bloated through various techniques used to cheat the search engines and inflate its fragile ego. One of which is to have several bogus blogs on the net that MD refers to as “studies”. The links above will explain that in more detail.

    I am personally disappointed that Eric and Phillip see the Mouth as an asset to Blogcritics. It is a circus sideshow at best and it is a shame when readership ratings and numbers are more important than integrity. But I suppose that is just a reflection of the world we live in.

    I wish also to state that I will continue to defend anybody from the Mac Diva’s of this world. This was not the first time nor will it be the last and I will continue to expose it for the fraud that it is. It is bad enough being the brunt end of its vile attacks. But when I see other people being abused (especially newcomers to BC) that is more than I can take and rest assured I will speak up.