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Why Isn’t New Mommy Sarah Palin Qualified To Be Vice President?

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Right now you are very fortunate that I have given up profanity for Lent. While I was reading my usual sources this morning, low and behold I discovered a certain conservative male on a very reasonable site which is political but fair to both sides of the aisle. I must also add that it is one of my ‘must read’ sites every day. Oy (and that’s not profanity)…

Lo and hehold (no profanity please), some Neanderthal wrote on the site that Sarah Palin, the very competent and very pregnant (seven months) governor of Alaska is probably out of the running for VP because she will be a new Mommy and would probably want to stay home with baby (no profanity please – it’s Lent)!

I must also disclose that I am a fan of Governor Palin and have advocated for her potential as a VP right here at Blogcritics.

If Governor Palin were a new, first-time Mommy I might give some credence to that mindset simply because she would need time to get adjusted to the whole situation. But Governor Palin is expecting her fifth – count ‘em – fifth child. Sarah and Todd’s oldest son Track is 18 and serving our country. Their daughters are Bristol, 17, Willow, 13, and Piper, 6. I think Governor Palin’s been there and done that. Considering her age, she has had all the proper tests and everything evidently looks very good. She even knows the gender of the baby but is not telling. She knows what she is doing.

What better way for my beloved GOP to show how beautifully modern and progressive we truly are than to facilitate and encourage John McCain, our nominee, to select Sarah Palin as his choice for Vice President? Baby Palin is not expected to make an appearance until mid-May, which is plenty of time for Mommy and baby to bond.

Proclaimed “America’s Hottest Governor” by an understandably prejudiced Alaska Magazine, Palin is the perfect choice for VP. Not only is she conservative, she is considered a “maverick” which would make her and GOP nominee John McCain a highly compatible duo. She was born in 1964 which would add just the right May/December touch to McCain’s seasoned 71. Not only would she bring a much needed bundle of joy to the ticket, she would also bring her 90% approval rating along with her!

What could be better? It is quite obvious we Republicans are going to have a serious financial deficit to deal with when it comes to fund raising. If Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee, he has nearly a hundred million dollar financial advantage over John McCain. Can you imagine the publicity her selection would generate? We’re talking F-R-E-E publicity, fawning and gurgling over a brand new baby Palin.

This is like one of those Ronco infomercials. It gets even better. Not only do you get ‘The Hottest Governor in the US’ with her 90% approval rating AND all that FREE publicity, you get even more. This is two for one here. Wait — not only is it two for one with Mommy and Baby, but you get even more — more, I tell you! For just the addition of Sarah and Baby Palin you get the added advantage of completely mutilating the feminist movement!

If Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee, Sarah Palin counters any feminist appeal Hillary Clinton might have. Having her on our ticket reeks of equal rights for all. If Barack Obama is the nominee, just having Baby Palin on board helps cut into all his millions upon millions of dollars he can spend on advertising. If the Democrats manage to provide every Republican with their fantasy of a brokered convention with Al Gore waiting to step in as an alternative candidate, Sarah Palin can go to battle against his insane environmental policies.

You want family values? She has it.

You want patriotism? She has it. Track Palin enlisted in the Army. He wants to head to Iraq.

You want a ‘maverick’? She has it. She took out Alaska’s corrupt power structure.

She doesn’t like special interests. She is something of an idealist. She has enough executive experience to appear young and fresh to counter anything the Obama campaign might throw at John McCain. She is a champion of ethics reform. Have I mentioned that she is young (46) and pretty?

Unfortunately, there are those, liberal and conservative alike, who now think just because the woman is pregnant she is disqualified to become the Vice President of the United States of America! Can you image such a Neanderthal thought process? (I want to apologize to any Neanderthal who might be offended by this politically incorrect slur upon their mental capacity.)

In a world where working mothers are celebrated (I personally stand with Dr. Laura on the subject), but want to be near baby, what could be a better arrangement? Surely my Republican counterparts cannot object to a VP discretely nursing a cute little baby in her EOB VP suite. Who could possibly complain if she brought baby to work? After all, a VP is whatever the President wants her to be.

Let’s follow the thought process here. We have new mommies who go off to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. No one says they can’t do that. Women have babies every day, and go back to work in situations where they must either put their children in day care, or leave them entirely to the graces of lest than optimal situations.

This would not be the situation with Baby Palin. The little tyke would have every advantage any baby in the world would have. He or she would be the most publicized baby since the birth of Prince William. The child would be a super-star, sucking up every iota of good will and free publicity a cash-starved Republican campaign needs.

Honestly, this would be enough to give any pregnant parent pause. Would Sarah and Todd Palin want to subject a new baby to this sort of publicity? We can only hope they will answer in the affirmative. After all, they’ve done a very good job of balancing politics and family thus far. Why not take it a step farther? 

Seriously, as a woman and a loyal Republican, I find the very though that a woman who has recently given birth being excluded from the VP list insulting.  Unless something goes wrong with the the whole process there is no reason for Sarah Palin not to be considered for such a position.   

Who said a new mommy cannot be Vice President of the United States of America?

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  • http://cqpinion.blogspot.com Krutic A

    Interesting.
    Although I must admit I’ve never heard of her..and that’s probably true for most Americans.
    I think McCain’s VP should have some name recognition and the Gov of Alaska is probably the least known politician in the country.
    Moreover Alaska is a given Republican state – McCain should pick someone who can help carry a swing state.

  • http://enough_already.tripod.com/ E.A.

    “If the Democrats manage to provide every Republican with their fantasy of a brokered convention with Al Gore waiting to step in as an alternative candidate, Sarah Palin can go to battle against his insane environmental policies.”

    So, it’s “insane” to have more than rocks for brains and realize that there can be NO blessed economy without intact nature as we know it?

    Despite what Creationists believe, nature doesn’t owe anyone a living. It wasn’t put here by a supernatural force expressly for people to pillage. It has zero concern for the welfare of the human race.

    Anti-environmental growth-addicts have the truly insane priorities.

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    “(I want to apologize to any Neanderthal who might be offended by this politically incorrect slur upon their mental capacity.)”

    None taken.

  • http://enough_already.tripod.com/ E.A.

    It’s a shame that our last frontiers are inhabited by so many who want to cut, drill and mine pristine land into submission. Why can’t people leave well enough alone? Why must the human population/economy try to grow forever?

    The main things holding off lower-48 style development in Alaska are brutal weather, long nights and sheer distances. If they keep electing “conservative” governors, Alaska is doomed to become a materials warehouse for insatiable growth-addiction everywhere.

  • Jay B

    “…long nights…” only applies during the short 5-6 months of winter that we have, not the so called “8-9″. Being a life-long Alaskan I am proud to know that we support our nation’s economy by providing material resources. Also, we are not in danger of “cutting, drilling, and mining” our land into submission, someone has watched a little to much of The Simpsons Movie.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/susanvillaslewis Susan

    I just can’t decide on this one. Choosing Palin in the first place ran the risk of being seen as a publicity stunt. Less so as people got to know her, but at first, potential disaster. It’s kind of hard to gauge what the country would think about it if she’s running around with a new baby. That almost seems like more of a publicity stunt. It’s easy to believe working women are good; it’s another to see one in what is a 24/7 job of running for the White House and not experience some negative reaction. (Which could just be deep-seated resentment that she has enough help in her life to be able to do that.) I think I’m expecting she’ll be told to cool her heels and wait for 2012. I was never convinced McCain would run the risk of being constantly upstaged by his running mate anyway.

  • Anon

    Everything from the title to the contents suggests that Palin should be VP because she is pregnant.
    Like a freak show, it’ll be good publicity if she goes around campaigning with her newborn. Forget qualifications or other qualities needed in a VP (such as, people outside of Alaska should have at least a vague idea as to who the f**k she is), pick her because she is pregnant..?
    what crap.

  • http://thepinkflamingo.blogharbor.com/blog SJ Reidhead

    To Anon:

    First, I need to make one correction in the article. Governor Palin is 44 years old, not 46.

    Now, back to your comment. If you will check the link I provided in this article, you will note that I’ve been interested in Palin for some time for VP. I think she is one of the best possible choices for John McCain for VP because of her age, gender, and her accomplishments with so few years in politics, directly opposite to Barack Obama.

    I was rather annoyed to put it mildly, yesterday, when I read that some people were now excluding her because of her pregnancy. In this day and age, that is unacceptable.

    The day has come where my Republican Party needs to start thinking beyond the box and realize that there are more choices than white and male.

    SJ Reidhead

  • The Obnoxious American

    Pregnancy should have nothing to do with it. That said, the GOP does not need to echo the diversity of the democratic primary. The GOP certainly should not exclude someone on the basis of race or sex or religion, and I don’t think they really would (alan keys did run in the primary – perhaps i shouldn’t have said that :>). But conversely, it makes no sense for the GOP to pick a candidate based on sex, race or religion either.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    If Governor Palin does become VP, don’t expect the White House to be taken too seriously in Britain once they find out she has a daughter named Bristol.

  • Lee Richards

    Given the actuarial probabilities, the only question that should be asked about any McCain potential running mate is, how qualified is he/she to lead the U.S. effectively. (“Hotness” shouldn’t count here for TOO much!)

    Remember, we got Johnson and Ford, and might have gotten Agnew, Mondale or Quayle.

  • Baronius

    I have no problem with Palin being pregnant. What worries me is her inexperience. She’s been a governor for a year. No Washington experience, no military experience, no judicial experience, no business experience. She actually makes Obama look qualified.

    That does raise an interesting question: how many women of child-bearing age have the qualifications to serve as president? Any 44-year-old mother of five would have had limited opportunity to build a political resume. Really, any 44 year old, man or woman, probably doesn’t have the experience I’d want in a president. (I know, someone will probably post a comment about how experience didn’t help Bush. But he didn’t really have much experience. Six years as governor – a full term more than Palin, but still not much.)

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    I think Palin would be a great choice for VP, but there are a few problems and none of them have to do with her being a mother.

    She’s relatively inexperienced. She’s governor of a small state (government-wise) and hasn’t been in office long.

    She has zero national name recognition.

    She comes from a state whose contribution to the vote cound is meaningless. McCain wants a running mate who can bring him votes he might not get otherwise.

    She has connections to some state government scandals in Alaska which might be blown up into serious negatives in a presidential campaign.

    Her main plus for McCain is that she’s a woman. That might be particularly valuable against Hillary. For me her big asset is that she’s basically a libertarian – one of two libertarian Republican governors.

    But that’s not enough given her liabilities.

    That said, I think J. C. Watts is the right choice for McCain. I think an African-American VP is a better choice than a woman and Watts has more experience more of a national profile and can draw more votes.

    Dave

  • Baronius

    Nalle, normally I would have agreed with your comment about the small population of Alaska. But Palin’s strength isn’t going to be geographic. These days, we’re more patriotic to our genitals than we are to our part of the country. Palin would appeal to women.

    But if Hillary wins the Democratic nomination, a female VP nominee will just look like a gimmick. And if Obama wins the nomination, McCain/Palin would take the issue of inexperience off the table. So I don’t think this is her year.

  • http://www.morethings.com/log Al Barger

    I’ll take some issue with the author’s indignance against the idea that being the mother of a new infant might be a legitimate argument against Palin being picked. She definitely would not be fit right now to actually be the POTUS and commander in chief.

    3AM feedings might reasonably would be seen as interfering with the extremely demanding job of commander in chief. It’s 3AM, the baby’s crying and the red phone’s ringing. Which do you answer?

    On the other hand, VICE presidents don’t have the exact same temporal issues. If that red phone rings, it’d be McCain answering it. She could have some time to mostly be raising the children, ready to step up to the plate if President McCain’s head explodes from a temper tantrum.

    On the other hand, perhaps partly dependent on who the Democrats nominate, JC Watts probably is a better choice. He’s just flat got more experience and would have more credibility as a commander in chief.

    Whereas, NO mother with young children is going to look like a credible commander in chief. You might claim that this outlook is bigoted, but it is not. It’s simply a matter of practical facts.

    Do you really see a young mother nursing an infant while she’s ordering military strikes? That doesn’t sound at all credible. It’s being pulled in emotionally opposite directions. And you certainly wouldn’t want a commander in chief who’s working through post partum depression or such.

    Perhaps Ms Palin can be a candidate for president herself – 10 or 12 years down the line. Doesn’t sound like she’s ready yet.

  • http://Lorraine L.Murray

    Our new Governor Sarah Palin would NOT make a good vice presidential candidate. She is proving in our state of Alaska she is a divider, not a uniter. On many issues now she has gone against the majority vote in our state. Sarah Palin is behind the move to move our state capital from Juneau to Anchorage Alaska even though this will devastate the families of southeast Alaska. Many people will lose their homes, jobs, entire life’s savings; families will be torn apart all because of moving the capital. The people of Alaska have voted down moving the capital time and time again. This issue is being pushed again by only a few legislatures and Sarah Palin. Sarah Palin and a few Republican legislatures just passed a bill to REPEAL the FRANK Initiative. This bill gives Alaskans the right to vote on moving the capital and it gives us our right to know the cost of the move. Sounds like the Bush administration doesn’t it, it is. Other issues like hunting wolves from airplanes; this has been voted done time and time again by Alaskans and when she first took office she put a Bounty on wolves. Sarah Palin aligns herself with Ted Stevens and Don Young and does not support the science behind global warming and is fighting against listing the polar bear on the endangered species list. She is part of the old Republican style of leadership that takes hope away from people, and our right to vote on issues and our right to bring forth initiatives. There is a movement across this country to end this old Republican style of leadership. People want change; they want things to be done the right way for the right reasons. Yes we even want change in Alaska Sarah.

  • katie

    “If Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee, Sarah Palin counters any feminist appeal Hillary Clinton might have.”

    Feminists are not voting for Hillary Clinton just because she is a woman. I was in Alaska when Palin was elected and there were plenty of women who didn’t vote for her for any number of reasons.

  • Fiscal Conservative Alaskan

    Palin for VP?

    Are you serious??? Oh please, stop!

    Mmmmm… let’s see. She was on the city council and mayor of Wasilla (population 5,469 in 2000), an Alaska Oil and Gas Commissioner for 9 months, and now Governor of Alaska for a little over a year.

    National experience and expertise? None.

    International experience? Nada.

    Let’s see if she has the competence to run the state first. She might, but it’s a bit early to tell. Good intentions are a great start, but if the GOP is seriously looking at Sarah as a VP candidate, they are really desperate.

    Democrats love her! I wonder why?
    -Palin promised to cut the budget, but the budget grew $350 million.
    -Palin introduced a $700 million tax hike, but signed a $1.5 billion tax hike.

    Fiscal conservative? NOT!

  • http://www.cafepress.com/aksyrin.243746811 Syrin

    Sarah Palin, aka Sarah the Incompetent, proposed and pushed through the largest socialistic raise in taxes in the history of the world. She supports the idea that the State can seize the property of private industry aka oil producers in Alaska if they don’t do what she wants. She has attacked almost the entire Republican majority in the house and senate. She just resently tried to oust the Republican party chair at the annual convention. She stood by and giggled when a radio shock jock called the Republican President of the Senate a “bitch” and “a cancer”. She threatened to support Democrats running against Republicans if they did not support her tax and spend policies.
    She would be a disaster as VP.

  • Karyn

    So, why is it that everyone assumes that Sarah has to take time out of work to raise her children? She is married. Why is a female governor/president okay, but the idea that Todd Palin is perfectly capable of raising thier child isn’t even mentioned?
    Equal rights for both genders you neanderthals!

  • Ray

    I just heard about Sara Palin last night from a friend who lives in Alaska. I have read a good deal about her on the internet and I am very impressed by her.

    As for name recog nition. Remember Barak who?

    I think she has a great deal of potential. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE HER!

  • M.T.

    I’m a declared member of the Alaska Democratic Party, and yes, I am a woman. Until recently I didn’t know much about my own governor (going to college out of state leaves room for missing out on home-state politics). Truly, she amazes me. She is an incredibly inspiring politician, woman, and woman politician.

    It is definitely an interesting thought to have Palin share the ticket with McCain. What’s *especially* interesting is that Alaskans HATE McCain. He doesn’t like the huge amount of federal money spent there (we don’t have state taxes; oil pretty much funds everything), and he’s not “conservative” enough for Alaskan Republicans.

    Alaska has high potential of going “blue” this election year; they’re hotter for Obama (received 75% of the Democratic caucus) than McCain. They overwhelmingly caucused for Romney on Super Tuesday, and Ron PAUL got away with more votes.

    (These are the Alaska GOP primary stats I found: Romney-44%, Huckabee-22%, Paul-17%, and McCain, dead last, with 16%.)

    So what does this mean? If Palin shared the ticket with McCain, the Republican party wouldn’t risk losing Alaska. Granted, there are relatively few votes both at the popular and electoral levels, but this election could use every single one available. The general election may not be as insane as the Democratic primaries, but it’ll be pretty darn close.

    I find it amusing when I read these comments about Alaska as a “given” Republican state, when in fact, with McCain as the unofficial Republican nominee, Alaska is far more likely to go with Obama (dare I say Hillary?) than McCain–unless Palin shared the ticket. I don’t think that’s likely, but mark my words–this MAY be the first time since LBJ that Alaska votes blue in November.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    So, basically you’re saying that Alaskans value the ‘bridge to nowhere’ more than a smaller federal government and lower taxes.

    Dave

  • http://politics.ohio.com/2008/05/30/veepstakes-update-alaska-governor-edition/ Ben K

    at first i was really opposed to her being the pick, but the more I read the more I shift towards the other side of the argument

  • Ted

    There’s been noted buzz of late on rising GOP star Louisiana Gov Bobby Jindal as a McCain prospective Veep. Certainly Jindal is more than very good, However, I believe there’s some “strategerie” going on here. The “real” beneficiary of the Jindal talk is the other rising GOP star, Alaska Gov Sarah Palin. Palin’s got everything that Jindal has (new/exciting, wildly popular, ethics and spending reformer, core conservative etc.) and more — mother of 5 w/remarkable bio, she’s 8 yrs older than Jindal, Alaska energy issue, and set to garner the disenfranchised female Hillary voter (I don’t believe Dem leaders can dump Obama).

    Getting Jindal’s name out first — at Team McCain’s BBQ for instance — sets the stage for the obvious choice, Palin. For example, albeit Rush Limbaugh introduced Palin’s name, and later Jindal’s as good Veep choices, of late Rush has been praising the name of Jindal while on his very same shows discussing at great length the frustrated female Hillary voter and the global warming hysteria/need for energy development, without mentioning Palin’s name as the obvious beneficiary of those two issues. Rush walks a fine line, introducing Palin, yet can’t, at least yet, reiterate much, knowing that his praises may be counter-productive to many a swing, moderate and/or formerly Dem voter (who’s against Obama and switching to McCain). Moreover, while I feel that Palin has more real accomplishment, experience and qualification than Obama (and Hillary combined, albeit w/Obama the bar is pretty low), the only potential argument against Palin is she’s a newbie to the national scene. By having Jindal out there first as a VP prospect “passing” the “experience” and “new to the national scene” test, implicitly passes Palin as well. (For that matter Palin’s got as much if not more experience and accomplishment than Florida Gov Crist who’s only been Gov for 2 yrs — and the media has been touting Crist as a VP prospect.)

    That’s my thinking at least.

  • Ted

    And, here’s an important piece of advice: If it looks like it’s going to be McCain/Palin anyway (and that should be a “no brainer” for Team McCain), McCain should announce NOW or VERY SOON, rather than later towards the convention. There’s currently a growing chorus for Obama/Hillary (as VP) ticket (in fact the Dems are likely aware of the Palin phenomenon). If the GOP waits while movement for Hillary as VP grows — even worse until after it is solidified that Hillary will/could be VP pick — selecting Palin will be portrayed by Dems/liberal media more as a reaction by GOP selecting its own female (overshawdoing Palin’s own remarkable assets), rather than McCain taking the lead on this. Selecting Palin now or early (contrary to the punditocracy) will mean McCain will be seen as driving the course of this campaign overwhelmingly, and the DEMS will be seen as merely reacting. And, there’s absoultely no down-side to this because even if Hillary is a no-go as VP for Obama, the GOP gains by acting early. McCain the maverick. Palin the maverick. Do it now!

    There’s no reason, and actually substantial negative, in McCain waiting to see what the Dems do first insofar as his picking Palin as VP, because, no matter who Obama picks, Palin is by far (and I mean far) the best pick for McCain and the GOP, especially in this time of GOP woes. The GOP can be seen as the party of real ‘change’ (albeit I hate that mantra, change, change, bla bla), while not really having to change from GOP core conservative values, which Palin more than represents.

    In light of the current oil/energy situation, as well as the disaffected female Hillary voters situation, and growing focus on McCain’s age and health, Palin is more than perfect — now.

    (Perhaps Team McCain is already on to this.)

  • NH Lady

    As a womamn and mother of four children I think the Palin as VP will definitely finish off McCain as a viable candidate. I don;t think we should pick a running mate based on their gender of skin color. This is ridiculous. Please tell me who this is going to appeal to?

    I am a Republican female and it does nothing for me. In fact it angers me. We need Romney – not a Governot that no one has ever heard of.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    If McCain picks Palin it will be an obvious concession to the Ron Paul faction and will solidify those votes really nicely. It would certainly strengthen my support for him. But again, he’s not going to pick her because she’s from too small a state (in population). However, my money is still on J. C. Watts.

    Dave

  • Ted

    After watching both McCain’s and Obama’s speeches on TV Tuesday night, McCain no less than NEEDS to run Alaska Gov Sarah Palin as his VP mate.

  • William

    I am impressed with Gov Palin. No choice will be perfect for McCain, unless Ronald Reagan returns to be on the ticket. Seriously, Gov Palin seems to be one of the most impressive prospects to be a leader of the Republican party for the future. Why not start now?

    Gov Jindal is a fresh face, but I lean toward Palin. She is a little older and more mature I believe. Sure, maybe McCain should be more traditional in his choice. But a new, young, inspiring person could be a valuable national candidate. Charlie Crist helped McCain win FlA without being on the ticket. McCain can still assemble a strong team of established supporters.

    Lack of experience? To a point. The Repubs would have to be careful pointing out Obama’s lack of experience, but then how could Barack attack Sarah?

    Suggestion. Roll the dice. Announce Sarah tomorrow, June 6. Trump any big Bar/Hil announcement of any sort. Get the national attention ahead of Clinton’s speech on Sat. One can only hope. Then, maybe I am too agressive.

  • William in MO

    Sorry, about the double post. To NH Lady:

    I like Romney. You know, we republicans sometimes receive criticism for seemingly being behind on diversity. So, McCain should not pick a woman? That would mean we are darned if we do, and darned if we don’t.

    I do understand there may be some questioning. But Gov Palin seems impressive. My wife and mother of my child likes her (or Romney) as the choice. Think of this:

    Romney has national recognition. Palin has little. She would get the attention, and do overall quite well I believe, if VP. Romney could still be in the forefront as a member of McCain’s team. Palin would not yet be able to get the national influence if she weren’t on the ticket.

    Risky? Sure. But I still would like McCain to be bold. Announce her TOMORROW. This would trump any announcement by Barack or Hillary. Maybe I am too hopeful. I just think McCain needs a real campaign energizer.

  • Baronius

    William, do you really think the timing is so important? In five months, it won’t matter which candidate picked a running mate first. To be honest, I don’t think it’ll matter who the running mates are in five months. There will just be two boring guys running for office, and millions of voters who are tired of both of them. An early-June energy boost will be long forgotten.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Palin will solve McCain’s problem with the Ron Paul faction and neutralize Bob Barr. Once Barr got nominated by the LP Palin suddenly became a much more viable VP candidate.

    Plus they can put Palin and McCain’s wife up there and get all the middle aged men hot and bothered and win their votes.

    Oh, and if McCain hooks up with Romney he’s lost my vote.

    Dave

  • Ted

    Q&A How can McCain SIMULTANEOUSLY attract both Hillary AND Bob Barr voters? Answer: PALIN Veep!

  • Nostradamus

    Sarah would make a wonderful Veep, and would be easily able to assume the office of POTUS if needed. For the record, I’m a male, 48-years old, retired First Lieutenant, 75th Regiment, 3rd Battalion, and in my days visited many a dreary and deadly place. Sarah displays all the qualities of a natural leader: Dependability, loyalty, love of country, cleanliness of mind and body, capability and competence. She’s a perfect example of the kind of people we are sorely lacking in our country, and I would be proud to carry out orders from that kind of Conmmander-in-Chief.

  • RAY FROM TEXAS

    I have always wanted to say this and I am going to preface this by saying just because I am from Texas doesn’t mean I am a Redneck, but I am an outdoorsman who loves to hunt and fish.

    But I don’t believe a person (man or woman) that does not own a gun (shotgun, rifle or pistol) or worse has never fired a one.
    Has the right to be considered for a position in government where they will be responsible for protection of this beautiful country…
    Having Sarah Palin on the ticket would be like having Betsy F*&%ing Ross on the ticket you can’t get more American than that!

  • TKO

    OF COURSE CHICAGO STREET HUSTLER BARACK HUSSEIN IS QUALIFIED! JUST HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN ON CRACK?

  • Evergreen2U

    Mrs. Palin’s fifth baby is not like her previous 4 however. This baby will have Down’s Syndrome. As such he/she will need more care…or do you all think she should just pay someone else to care for her children?

    PS: Governmental Leadership is not about being a cowboy or shooting guns. It is however, about brains and finding the best ways for ALL of us as we face global warming and loss of resources. Any idiot can shoot a gun and too many of them do.

  • Ted

    evergreen:–

    Sarah Palin’s got a very family-supportive husband and extended family; she returned to work 3 days after her baby was born, baby in tow, and she would do wonders to promote loving awareness on downs and disability kids — as well as awareness on all that can be accomplished, kid and mom.

    Since you raise global environmental issues, Palin is active and aware there as well, and knows when to be a realist making cost/benefit analyses — such as need for oil for both our economy and national defense — yet being environmentally sensitive and aware at the same time.

  • http://www.bluetidalwave.com Blue Tidal Wave

    I am completely for Sarah Palin for VP nominee. If you are going down why not have fun?

  • Tom

    Trig will be fine. I think it is great when she is doing her government job and has littlebear Trig in tow.

    It reminds me of those indian women with the baby on their back as they work thoughout the day.

    Sarah sure is a ‘can’do’ Mommabear who would really capture the hearts of Americans. She is really special and McCain should pick her.

    She reminds me of that female state trooper in the movie “Fargo”. How can you not vote for her over the phony O-man whose ideas of change are normal leftist big government stuff we have all seen before.

    Go Mommabear. Go Sarah. Go McCain/Palin

  • Jeff Dearman

    Governor Pain should never be considered for VP. She first of all supports the aerial wolf hunt in alaska that is slaughtering entire wolf families and is very inhumane and cruel. She is also supporting drilling in ANWR – drilling is not the answer, we currently only use 10% of our oil reserves domestically and should open up the supply we have instead of look for new sources and continue our oil addiction. Also drilling for oil will only destroy more land and we wont even see any benefit from it for 10 yrs minimum. gas prices will continue to go up and our nation will continue to be addicted to oil. We have the technology right now to switch to alternative fuels. If it means we have to tax exxon mobil and rich people who don’t give enough back to society anyway than in my humble opinion so be it.

    But Governor “Pain” is a horrible choice for VP.
    We need an environmentally friendly VP and President
    and I hope Barack Obama will be the nominee to switch us away from oil and into alternative fuels.

  • kab

    Sarah is about to be investigated for abuse and fraud in Alaska.

  • Anthony
  • Chic

    I don’t think there’s a chance she’ll be the VP pick. The abuse of power scandal looks bad for her. And I just can’t see people who believe in family values voting for someone who is deserting their child with Down’s Syndrome to pursue higher office.

  • Ted

    Palin is coming out more than “smelling like a rose” ….. read this

    FROM THE ANCHORAGE DAILY NEWS, which should put an END to “troopergate” ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!

    “Issue’s not why Monegan was fired, but why trooper wasn’t

    ELISE PATKOTAK
    COMMENT

    (07/29/08 23:20:50)
    They called Ronald Reagan the Teflon president. I think we should start calling Sarah Palin the Teflon governor. Based on people’s reaction to the recent dustup over the dismissal of Walt Monegan, I’d say the lady would pretty much have to pile up more indictments than all our current politicians combined before people would start to seriously question her.

    This is going to make some people absolutely nuts. Unfortunately, for those seeking to find some dirt that will stick and bring down her still astronomically favorable ratings, this current dustup is probably not the ticket they are seeking. Firing someone who is a political appointment is done all the time. Since losing your job is a common experience for most of us, the termination of a commissioner is just not something that gets people’s dander up.

    Of course, the idea that no one should be fired for refusing to cave in to pressure to circumvent state personnel rules is pretty much a no brainer, assuming the allegations are true.

    Except in this case, the employee being discussed is a trooper who carries a gun and the force of law based on the authority given to him by, ultimately, us. He also happens to be an employee who somehow managed to Taser his 11-year-old stepson and get away with it.

    The limp explanation that he was trying to show the young man how it felt is simply stupid and an insult to any thinking, reasonable adult. Assuming we want the people we authorize to carry guns and use them in our name to be adults, he should have found a much, much better way to get this lesson across.

    In fact, his actions went beyond stupid and, for many of us, straight into the realm of criminal. I’ve had parents on my caseload whose kids would have been permanently removed from them if we’d gone to court with that.

    So this particular trooper is probably not the poster boy the anti-Palin folks might want to trot out to show her misusing her power as governor. At least, the people I’ve talked to all seem to shake their heads and say that yeah, if she did exert pressure, she shouldn’t have. And then they look up and say, “But man, what about that trooper!” They zip right past her possible actions and land squarely on the trooper. The minute the story reaches the point where he’s Tasering his stepson, people start lining up behind Palin. Because most people don’t want Mike Wooten to be the trooper responding to their call for help if this is any indication of his ability to make sound or reasonable judgments. And that seems to trump any inappropriate actions on her part as the focal part of the story.

    It’s becoming glaringly evident that public opinion is on Palin’s side insofar as they wish this man had lost his job as a trooper somewhere between taking a moose illegally, drinking in a trooper vehicle and Tasering his stepson. And they wonder why the state troopers tolerate this behavior in their ranks.

    Monegan was right to not cave if the alleged pressure was there from the administration to intervene in a personnel matter that had already been resolved internally, as insulting as that minimal response seems to be. While the legal right and wrong of the matter might ultimately break toward Monegan and against Palin, it will probably only make her a more sympathetic character, as people side with the person who tried to rid the troopers of someone who seems questionable at best as trooper material.

    Let’s think about this. He was stopped in his vehicle after a bartender called troopers to say he thought Wooten might be driving drunk. The trooper who stopped him admitted to smelling booze on his breath but made the decision that he didn’t need to take a Breathalyzer because Wooten didn’t seem drunk. Raise your hand if you think that trooper would not have given you a Breathalyzer test under the same circumstances. Yep, as I suspected, not a hand in sight.

    Which brings us to the point most people are at. Palin isn’t their problem. A state trooper agency that thinks this man should still be wearing a badge is.”

  • Ted

    Q&A

    1. Which McCain Veep pick is SIMULTANEOUSLY the safest AND boldest?

    ANSWER: Sarah Palin

    2. How can McCain SIMULTANEOUSLY attract both Hillary AND Bob Barr voters?

    ANSWER: Sarah Palin

    * * *

    This just in from the Conservative Voice:

    “Desperately seeking Sarah
    July 26, 2008 10:00 AM EST

    By Stephan Andrew Brodhead

    Desperately seeking Sarah
    Americans need a little Palin Power

    Sarah Palin the current Governor of Alaska is John McCain’s ultimate choice for VP. I do believe a woman is next in line for the presidency. All Conservatives like her. She is popular in Alaska. Hillary supporters would relish her. She would solidify a 12 or possibly 16 year Republican executive.

    John McCain’s boring campaign is wearing thin. I need a little Palin Power to get me interested again. They would say ‘but she is only a half term Governor!’ And your point is?

    That’s all I have to say about that!”

  • http://palininvestigated.blogspot.com/ Syrin

    Ted,
    Find your own corrupt and abusive politician. Sarah Palin is has no right, credibility, experience or sense, she will never be in a office again. You’re a freak and your unnatural urge to live, breath in saradise is disturbing… Do you understand that Sarah Palin is a sad and corrupt woman, has been all her 14 years in public. She is currently under investigation for ABUSE OF POWER. Does that mean anything to you troll? ..

    I have nothing more to offer, except maybe a quote from Sarah Palin who is taking credit for Alaska government sponsored economic disaster agia, who is incompetent, who is currently being investgated for “Abuse of Power”.

    When asked about being a vp: Palin says, “I can’t answer that question until someone answers for me what is it exactly that the Vice President does.”

    ..What a shining example of stupid…..

    Sarah is a narssiscist… look it up…

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Syrin, that wasn’t stupid, it was a joke. And a clever reference to Teddy Roosevelt who said something quite similar.

    The abuse of power investigation is a pure witch hunt based on a few people connected with the previous administration who are out for revenge because she fired some of Gov. Murkowski’s cronies. I’d guess that you’re one of them.

    And BTW, her approval rating is STILL at 80%. She’s the most popular governor of any state. If she ran for reelection today she’d win in a landslide.

    Dave

  • Ezra

    I’ve been telling my family that Palin should be the veep since last January! I think she is one of the best Republicans out there and would really offset Barrack Husain Obama,Im still hoping john McCain comes around and surprises us and picks her!

  • scott in ky

    Come on folks She has alot to offer to our party. Get off the what can she do for the election. But what she do can for our country.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Actually, her name is up on Drudge as the VP selection! I like it!

  • Ben

    ONly concern is that she is not qualified. But then again neither is Obama so some democrats should love her

  • Jewels

    I think, from everything I have read, pro and con, she’s the best choice for McCain. I’m with Dave, if he goes Romney I’m out.

    McCain/Palin 2008

  • Brad

    The better question is what qualifies her to be vp or even pres? The vp has to be someone that could step into the Oval Office in a heartbeat.Obama has been attacked relentlessly for his lack of experience yet this woman has even less.

    I wasn’t going to vote for Obama, but with McCain the free world is one heartbeat away from an unexperienced former sports reporter leading the free world. Obama gets my vote now.

  • Gina

    BREAK THE GLASS CEILING !!! WOW… What a great pick!!! America should elect McCain & Palin for the Whitehouse in November, for a return to wholesome American values. Palin has more experience for V.P. than Obama has for President. No Wright, no Farrakahn, no Ayers, no Rezko,
    no mean Michelle, NOBAMA!

  • Daniel Magita

    This is the best and right candidate. Let us all feel proud for this strong woman who will bring changes all over world.
    Congratulation McCain for respecting the people of America for appointing someone they expected.

  • david

    She will be a great VP!!

  • http://www.HealthandLibertyNow.com Lisa

    I am excited about Sarah Palin’s nomination. I just hope we don’t find out that her husband is one of those cheating jerks. I really lost all respect for Hillary during the Lewinsky scandal. I would like to be able to look up to a strong woman who has principles and respect for herself and others.

    Lisa Landry

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Gov. Palin breaks the mold. I’m stunned. Few saw this move by McCain and I have to say it’s a brilliant choice. Have I changed my mind? Nope. I’m still writing in Dave Nalle.

  • JB

    I have to admit that I’ve never heard of her before. But in my readings to learn more about her I see that some say that she is under investigation for abusing her power in having someone fired because he is in the middle of a nasty divorce from her sister. Is there any truth to this ?

  • Gary Littlefield

    Finally, the Republicans did a good thing and nominated someone that can do the job as Vice President. Yes, there are probably a couple of others that Senator McCain could have picked, but Sarah Palin is an excellent choice. She can communicate and she knows about Families. She sure will be better than that Senator from Deleware who stole speeches can claimed them for himself. Here in Connecticut, we are excited about McCain-Palin. This is a no-brainer. Class,quality and intelligence with McCain-Palin and little with the other guys. Good luck Governor Palin and Senator McCain. I hope to see you both standing tall, erect and proud next January 20th on the steps of the United States Capital taking your respective oaths of office.

  • Sweet P

    She’s just a sitting duck……according to McCain all a VP does is go to funerals and makes sure the president is alright.This is a publicity stunt to overshadow yesterdays historic moment and to ensure that Bush’s sidekick gets the limelight…… I certainly wouldn’t want someone with her credentials leading our country.
    Want a woman in the white house? Michelle Obama will be a phenomanal First Lady.

  • Mat

    The Republicans are in trouble. She claims family values and conservatismim but she eloped with her husband and smoked majijuana (I know it was legal at the time but doesn’t take away from the fact that wasn’t very conservative)

  • KarlaElisa

    This woman is the epitome of all I despise in the GOP party.
    I’m GLAD the old fool picked her. She’ll help tank this bid for president much quicker.
    McVictim’s bad judgment seems to know no bounds…

  • slamkitty

    I am a Democrat and I love that Sen. McCain picked Gov. Palin. She’s an anti-feminist that left the home and her newborn with special needs to pursue her political career. She’s got a stint as mayor of a really important Alaskan city and 1 1/2 years of experience as Governor. What more could you possibly ask for?

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    For once the press is left speechless and I LOVE it. Maria Bartiromo has an interview with Gov. Palin airing at 4PM this afternoon on CNBC. This interview was conducted 5 days ago and Bartiromo had no idea, not even an inkling, that Palin was on the hot list. Gov. Palin is also a Republican who has bucked the GOP system in Alaska. The GOP has two mavericks on the ticket. I’m thrilled at his choice just for the political debate that’s going to be generated.

  • katie

    Wow! McCain just gave it to the democrats. What an odd choice!! It looks very desperate, like a gimmick. I know he was thinking he could get Hillary’s supporters, but I think it will backfire. She doesn’t have enough name recognition, or experience. I think people in the end will think what if something happens to McCain (he is 72) and she has to be pres. As a VP she maybe fine, but as the President it’s an entirely different thought. She has zero Washington experience and Alaska is so small. I’m disappointed.

  • Robin

    All women are NOT created equal. I’m a woman and I support Hillary–but there’s no way I will support Palin. Who does the GOP think they’re kidding? Hillary has smarts, passion, and several years’ national leadership experience in the Senate. She’s also pro-choice and an urban sophisticate.

    Palin “pales” compared to Hillary.

  • Lisa GM

    Sarah Palin is NOT inexperienced. In point of fact, she is MORE experienced than Obama, who has never done any actual running of a government. She and McCain both have, and neither Obama nor Biden has. As for knowing who she is, who the hell knew who Obama was 18 months ago? As supporters, it’s on us to talk her up! I think McCain made a brilliant choice.

  • Max

    Well, Ms. Palin is the Republican choice for Veep. Having read some of the posts, including those who claim to be from Alaska, there are some positions which she has taken (many of which I disagree with) which I will have to seriously consider.

    Another, unfortunate matter to consider is that her baby, born in April, has Down’s Syndrome. As an aunt of someone whose child has DS I have to say Ms. Palin will have challenges there that can only be imagined by those who’ve never had to deal with this and it very well may tear her apart in terms of her conscience if elected VP: no parent having a child with DS has enough time to devote to both such a child’s needs AND a fulltime career, much less as Veep of the United States.

    Last, and this is the most troubling, is Ms. Palin’s lack of experience, the same thing for which Senator McCain’s campaign has diced Senator Obama. True, she is not running for the Presidency, ‘only’ the VP. But would she be ready to take the Presidency in the event of the death/incapacitation of the President?

    My opinion, after doing much research, is NO. And that means that I am going to need to
    re-examine how I will be voting in November….

  • Nicole

    How is she going to get the feminist vote when she is pro life?

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Lisa, what executive experience does John McCain have?

    Palin has been a small-town councillor and mayor, an Alaska state commissioner for a year and Governor for a year and a half. It doesn’t stack up particularly well against Obama’s seven years in the Illinois Senate and four in the US Senate.

    And you’re mistaken that Obama was unknown 18 months ago. He came to national prominence in 2004, when he gave the keynote speech at the DNC and was the only Democrat to win a Republican-held seat at that year’s election.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Can someone tell me what an “urban sophisticate” is. I’m not sure what it is, but I’m sure I don’t like the sound of it!

    Alaska is small? Looked at a map lately?

  • Psychic Elder

    True Psychic Readers and Intuitives agree on this list of premonitions, from our spirit advisors:

    1. Sarah Palin is the shot in the arm needed to sway us from voting Libertarian Bob Barr into the Oval Office.

    2. Premonitions in the spirit realm tell us that McCain will expire 2 years, 7 months into term, from natural causes, making Sarah Palin our First Female President.

    3. Sarah Palin will be elected for a term as President!

    4. She will decline a second term for family reasons.

    5. John McCain, as part of the Keating Five S&L scandal, still makes my blood boil, but, he is the path to the best silver lining for Americans!

    6. Under Sarah Palin, there will be a huge re-structuring of Republican Power, and we will eliminate the IRS through the Flat Tax.

    7. Under Sarah Palin, egregious inequities in law concerning the regulation of Hemp and Marijuana will be corrected, and the catastrophy that is the “War on Drugs” will be dramatically reduced, as being too expensive a boondoggle on the tax paying public.

    8. Equality under the law for all partnering couples will prevail, in accordance with Supreme Court rulings.

    9. The U.S. Constitution will be more strictly observed, and the “Socialist” agenda of the Democratic Left Wingers will be set aside, for the common good.

    10. Under President Sarah Palin, Tax reform and revisions to the Tax Code will tap the $2 trillion “underground criminal economy”.

    All individuals will be taxed on what they spend, instead of what they declare as earnings. The Poor, or Retired, or Veterans, earning less than $70,000 per year, will receive pre-bate tax checks every month, to supplement their income.

    Because Corporations never pay taxes, simply passing them down to the consumer, while lobbying for Congress to give them ever expanding taax sanctions.

    The Flat Tax eliminates 28% of the mark up consumers have been burdened by, with a commensurate reduction in market pricing of all consumer goods.

  • proud american 2008

    I am so honored and feel blessed to see such a strong, qualified, woman VP candidate. She is more than qualified, and reflects the strong moral family values this country is so hungry for. Congratulations Sarah. Excellent choice!

  • Max

    Dave Nalle, so what if Ms. Palin has an approval rating of 80%? According to the 2000 census the entire population of Alaska was about 626,000. Or roughly the same size as Milwaukee, Wisconsin!

    In other words, in your opinion all it would take is 80% of Milwaukeans surveyed approving of a candidate to be considered as the potential VP of the entire United States.

    Laughable if it weren’t so sad.

  • pemby42

    Palin husband works for BP, can anyone say 5$ gas a gallon?? Republicans SSDD

  • instigator

    as we observe on the sidelines while the RNC goes through it’s show, moosing up an alaskan unknown right winger and a shot down POW, I wish to mention one particular book and eventual movie with a recent remake, “The Manchurian Candidate.”

    You may wish to read this novel and then “Faith of our Fathers,” but then review the real biography of his public servant experience. Many of your readers will be too young or without good recall, but do research “Keating 5,” do research Mccains war record.

  • instigator

    I do wonder if mccain has returned to vietnam, specifically his room at the hanoi hilton? or the fields where his 23+ missions at low level were bombed? the families, if any survivors? to make amends….or Hey, war is hell! attitude. When do we as americans take another approach to our position in the world? Alternately comments of sarcasm, to profiling of all americans, to redrawing opinions as fact, to self serving for political gain, denegrading for personal gain.
    Instead, shall we focus on taking care of america for america. America first.
    Let’s see if the RNC will focus on a rebuilding of america’s infrastructure from the top down.

  • OMGPalin

    Check into Palin. Walter Monegan, Public Saftey Commissioner, was allegedly “offered a new position” as Alcohol Board Commissioner by Palin from his post as for *not* firing a state trooper that was involved in a messy divorce w/ Palin’s sister. She cited him as being “not a team player”.

    She campaigned on ethics and reform and has done nothing but reduce the number of construction jobs in Alaska, throw good money after bad trying to prop up failing state-run businesses.

    Putting her on a national stage should frighten the country as it frightens Alaskans.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Oh come on now. Are we going to get into the same kind of mud slinging? So, the husband works for BP. He is also a PAYING MEMBER of the United Steelworkers. And to me that little fact is going to show just what the unions are made of. Barack’s speech is now on page 3, Palin is the headline. What a difference a day makes in America!

  • OMGPalin

    Oh yeah… and for what it’s worth… No glass cieling was shattered.

    Everyone forget Geraldine Ferraro?

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    I’ll forget Geraldine for now. After hearing Palin’s speech, I thought one thing. Margaret Thatcher. Ronald Reagan would be pleased.

  • Bobby EWing

    You have to admit that Sarah Palin is pretty hot (remember she was in the Ms. Alaska Pageant) and MUCH BETTER on the eyes than Joe Biden. Oh and wait until you see the bikini pics!!! NOT BAD for a mother of 5.

  • Bless the USA

    I am a 74 year old great-grandmother from OHio. After listening to the DNC I knew Sen. McCain needed a really strong running mate. I believe he has chosen VERY WELL. With Sen McCain’s know how and strength and Gov. Palin’s youth, straight-forwardness, and courage I still believe in the GOP (grand old party). God Bless them and God bless the USA

  • wow

    Fantastic
    Mrs Podunk for president if anything happens to McCain.. Putin and the Chines must be all high fives right now….
    Soccer mom vs Putin

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: the British press is going to have a field day when they find out Palin has a teenage daughter named Bristol

  • NoMore

    Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger.

    Ronald Reagan capitalized on the impending collapse of the Soviet system and his legacy is written as such. History is written by the victors rendering critisism at this point moot, however here, now, in 2008, we know now that the Soviet Union was collapsing under its *own* economic policies, not those influenced by the arms race, the policies and rhetoric of Ronald Reagan, or other cold war factors. Soviet communism simply could not survive, Reagan’s administration knew this and capitalized on it. You can’t poke holes into why it was done, it was brilliant politics. However it is at least required, for at least the sake of intellectual honesty, to include the facts as we now know them to be true.

    Margret Thatcher was and is regarded by Brittains as the right person in the right job at the right time. Too bad the Soviets are gone or maybe such rhetoric and such ideals would be applicable.

    I’m tired of being lied to, tired of deception. I’m tired of back-room deals. I’m tired of looking around and seeing no one inspired, or scared, but me.

    I’m tired of war for the wrong reasons in the wrong places.

    So, this year, and for one last time… I’m going to not be cynical, not be jaded, not be conspiratorial. I’m not going to be quiet. I’m not going to be intimidated because what I think is not what you think. I’m not going to settle for a second-rate world in which my 12 y/o daughter pays for the sins of my indecision.

    After eight years of pandering to fear, losing respect for those I know and love because they gave up their faculties for critical thinking in exchange for a cloak of imagined security. After 20 years, I am no longer a republican.

    I am a conservative. I am a free thinker. I love this country.

    I donated to John McCain in 2000. I cannot in good conscience vote for John McCain this time around.

    I believe that the Presidency is the ultimate leadership opportunity. Where he leads, the nation follows.

    I just don’t want to go where John McCain is heading anymore.

  • None

    Well, looks like the republicans just lost the election. Don’t know anything about the VP, nor do I think she will help McCain. Should have picked someone who would be more qualified.

  • eastcoastalaskan

    Be real, Sarah Palin is a joke of a choice. She has no experience, and the ONLY reason she was chosen is because she is a woman and it is Sen. McCain’s ploy to get the feminist vote. She should address how poorly her children are doing-he oldest daughter is pregnant and in hiding after being knocked up by a local boy-perhaps this baby will be president some day! I was not going to vote for Obama but he gets the vote now. Perhaps the new national sport will be the iron dog race. What a disgrace.

  • LIsa

    Two things that cannot be denied. A VP must be ready to assume the presidency the day they step into office. Also, can any mother of a child with DS say with honesty that they could handle the responsibilities of being both the VP of the US and the mother of a child with special needs? 22 years ago I had to make the hard choice to leave the career that I loved so that I could be there to do what was necessary to care for my own child with special needs. That particular job only gets harder, by the way. She is making a choice that would put a knot in the stomach of even the most hardend feminist.

  • bizurk1

    As a parent of a “special needs child” my sentiment goes out to this 4 month old boy. He could go through the first 12 years of his life not knowing who his mother is. Seems very selfish of Ms. Palin, when you are given a child like this, it quickly makes you realize “it is not always about you”. She evidentally did not learn this lesson, or would have told John, I am sorry but I have higher priorities at this time, nurishing my Downs syndrome son.

  • Max

    A few more qualification issues…

    Great speaker, first of all. Really good. And of course, easy on the eyes.

    She’s a beauty queen, placing second in the Miss Alaska pagent in 1984. Hey, placed second. Veep. Get it? But she apparently did win Miss Congeniality.

    Rabidly pro-life.

    She’s an avid hunter and lifelong member of the NRA. Her husband works in commercial fishing and oil drilling on the north slope of Alaska…do you suppose that they have EVER had an objective discussion between themselves about the staggering environmental issues that Alaska faces?

    We’ll never know, but Ms. Palin supports oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Reserve.

    The most troubling issue is, as mentioned before, that of political qualifications:

    She’s a two term Council member and Mayor of Wasila, Alaska. Total population? 5,470 (according to the 2000 census). Which means that she was elected with somewhere around 1800 votes. That’s it.

    And Ms. Palin won the governor’s race in Alaska with 115,000 votes. Total. 115,000 votes.

    That’s how many people have moved out of Cleveland in the last year.

    That’s the same number of people who live in Morgantown, West Virginia.

    Why is this such an issue? Because with the naming of Ms. Palin as the Republican VP candidate the frickin’ Republicans have just caused me the angst of having to re-examine, after having my mind made up for the last 8 months, if I am going to vote for Senator McCain for President after all.

  • Larmartia Poullard

    Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton! The sheer arrogance of Palin and the Mc Cain camp to think that Hillary Clinton supporters will support Palin because she is a woman is crazy! Palin and Clinton are polar opposites on the issues..abortion, gay rights, etc. Trust me, there is no “moose soup”, deer hunting or fly fishing in DC, but there is PLENTY of humble pie! This soccer mom is going to get her lunch handed to her.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    After 20 years, I am no longer a republican…
    I am a conservative. I am a free thinker. I love this country.

    I left my party long ago thanks to the current President. I also am a conservative — a common sense conservative. A true conservative is one who believes that we dictate government not the other way around. Conservatism demands that accountability is something that should be at the very heart of our way of life. We need to teach accountability in schools. Parents need to be more accountable for the raising of their children. Political leaders need to be held accountable for executing their duties. And when they fail us they need to be voted out of office or thrown in jail. Sarah Palin is the same. She’s not afraid of being held accountable.

    Union workers have a candidate in their corner. Her husband’s a paying member. The GLBT community has a person who recognizes the importance of inclusion. Research it for yourself. GLBT state workers in Alaska have benefits for their partners. She may be opposed to “gay marriage” but she refused to discount the worth and importance of life partnerships. Hmmm. Isn’t that what Barack said?

    Those Republicans who left the party after the Rovians took over have a chance to take back the party of Lincoln. Sarah Palin stood firm against the machine that was the Alaskan GOP and won. This is what we need in Washington. We need a politician (yes, a POLITICIAN) who doesn’t fear the machine but shuts it down. That’s what John McCain represented until he rolled over for George W. Bush. Out of Obama, Biden, McCain and Palin — Sarah Palin represents mainstream Americans most — and THAT, my friends, scares the crap out of Washington.

  • jerry in rural AZ

    I’ve had calls from family/friends from around the country…and what surprises me is I don’t recall any of them talking about politics before…seems Sarah Palin has raised interest in this election.

  • NoMore

    @Silas:

    Modern political debates over candidates for president, and by extension the vice president, boil down to one of two issues: their character and their record.

    Mrs. Palin is a mixed bag in both categories. GLBT supporter, yes. Poor administrator of public industries, yes. Pro-gun, yes. Allegations of corruption in her administration, yes. Solid record of union support, yes. Chose a presidential campaign over newborn w/ DS, yes. For every plus in one column, there is a minus in the other.

    The game then poses the weaknesses of one candidate against the other. Comparing both VP nominees on the last point alone, Palin comes up somewhat lacking. It’s been much touted that Mr. Bidden repeatedly puts the intrests of his family over his career. One can already see that this one point will become more of an issue as the debates approach.

    Ignoring the greater discussion of the McCain platform, I question the wisdom of this selection.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Well, if there IS a real debate in this country between the Vice Presidential candidates I wonder how Joe Biden will come across as a friend of small business. He comes from Delaware, arguably the largest enemy of small business in these “United” States. And every time I make a payment on my Capital One or MBNA credit card I wonder how much of it goes to Joe Biden in one form or another.

    Biden and McCain have maintained “maverick” reputations in the Senate. But neither have been able to crack the political system in Washington. McCain sold his soul to Bush; and Biden, with his flashy cuff links, talks a good game but remains central to the gridlock. Obama is new to the Washington scene and hasn’t earned enough points to make any difference. There’s one outsider in this race today and that is Sarah Palin. All of a sudden this campaign has become East vs. West as opposed to North vs. South.

  • A. Hart

    As a parent of a special needs child, she has one job right now and it’s not VP.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    As a parent of a special needs child, Sarah Palin can do more to insure that special needs children receive just that: special needs. I understand your sentiment, A. Hart, but if Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy stayed at home and devoted all of her attention to her daughter Rosemary would there be a Special Olympics today?

    I am a child of special needs parents (both of my parents are deaf). I know first hand at what exclusion can do to a special needs child. My mother comes from a generation where children who were “less than perfect” were carted off to private institutions, put out of sight and taken out of the mainstream. My dad, on the other hand, had a mother who wouldn’t allow it. She fought for his inclusion in public school and won. She saw to it that my dad was just as much part of mainstream education as her remaining 9 children.

    I am blessed because my maternal grandfather realized that keeping my mother shut away was immoral. He saw that deaf children, given the opportunity, could reach heights never before seen. Today, deaf people are pretty much part of the mainstream but in the days leading up to the Great Depression it wasn’t that way. A. Hart, bless you for being the parent you are. And regardless of your child’s needs, that child has the Nature-given right to be a productive part of our society regardless of needs.

  • A. Hart

    It never was an argument about sending the special needs child off to an institution because I certainly don’t believe that and hope that no one else believes that’s the right solution. I merely meant that as a parent of a special needs child myself, those first few years are critical and time consuming with therapy and doctor visits. I’ve spent more time in a clinic and practicing speech and sign language and more than I have anywhere or anything else and yes my husband spends just as much time in those same areas. And it takes a team, both mom and dad, to be there for all that, I wouldn’t expect her husband to be the sole person to do all that. Being gov. of a state would have been difficult enough, but VP and an infant with special needs? I’d probably be less inclined to say anything about that subject if the child were older but those early intervention years are critical and it’s a choice I know I could not have made. But that’s just my opinion, I hope she does manage to balance both and do what she needs to do for both her children and her country.

  • Kiwigirl

    Question : Would all these comments being spoken about Sarah Palin be spoken if the vp candidate was a male.
    Would you all be saying he has a DS child , he should be at home with that child.

    How far have we come,,,,, not far

  • A. Hart

    Actually I would. As I said before it takes a team to raise not only a typically developing child but certainly that much more for a special needs child. All the appointments, therapy visits, therapy goals, everything that goes into helping the special needs child progress and develop takes a team. I think both mom AND dad need flexible jobs to be able to do this (at least in the early years). By noooo means do I feel this is ONLY her job! My husband knows our son’s goals and therapy homework just as much as I do and is every bit a part of working towards communicating and being included in every part of life and community!

  • concerned

    I am told her daughter is pregnant. Can she lead the nation and not lead her own family?

  • elaine

    Is it true she only holds a bachelors in journalism? I’m a 44 year old woman and quite nervous that someone with such little education and experience could possible become our President. BTW Sj Reidhead…2008-1964=44 not 46!

  • http://thepinkflamingo.blogharbor.com/blog SJ Reidhead

    Dear “Concerned” #105:

    If you were truly “concerned” you would have said nothing in public. It’s one thing to smear a candidate or a spouse, but quite another, vile, ugly thing to do this to an innocent 17 year old girl.

    How dare you do such a thing?

    Is this what Barack Obama supporters have stooped to? You should hang your head in shame for being a part of such a nasty rumor. Were you ever a teenager? Since you are hiding your name we do not know your gender. If you are a woman, if someone would have said that when you were a teen, it would have been a disaster.

    I trust you are truly ashamed of yourself.

    SJR
    The Pink Flamingo

  • Jordan Richardson

    SJ, how do you know that “concerned” is an Obama supporter?

  • Zedd

    RAY FROM TEXAS

    Bless your heart. Being from TX you understand what that means.

    This is not the old west. Guns are not used to settle issues. The ability to fire an arm has no relation to the ability to lead a nation. Firing an arm has the same relevance as expertise in throwing a spear, using a masheti or doing karate. As a Texan. You just embarrassed us. sigh….

  • mckinney supporter

    Yes, the only thing we know is that “concerned” is rude.

    Most Hillary Dems I know would cut off their tatas before casting a vote for an anti-choice, gun-totin’ wingnut. Kudos to her for a historic run, and I congratulate any parent who can pull off what she does, but a McCain/Palin win would be horrifying, particularly after the last eight years of hell.

  • Psychic Elder

    Some of you have stated that she is not experienced with our military, when, in fact, she has been, for two years, Commander -in-Chief of the Alaskan National Guard, some of our best, toughest, military units!

    I also offer that neither Biden nor Obama has any similar experience as a leader in matters military, and that they also have NO experience in combating the chronyism of their party faithful.

    I am now voting McCain, for his leadership and professional experience, plus, Sarah Palin for her experience in de-throning the out-of-control, runaway spending Republicans and Democrats!

    Sarah Palin has the gravitas, the cohones, the ethics, to succeed in a whirlpool full of sharks!

    All the many women I know, admire her; and they have switched from the Democratic ballot, to vote for McCain and Palin!

  • Jordan Richardson

    You know some pretty fickle women, Psychic. Besides, why would you be switching over “now” to McCain? Shouldn’t you have seen this coming?

  • dmc

    Well say what you will about the dems, this nomination certainly has gotten to Geraldine Ferraro. I don’t think I’ve ever heard her compliment a republican. I am waiting for the day that Palin cleans up the floor with Joe Biden (hairplugs, eyelifts and veneers) included. This is going to be a fun 67 days. Obama will need to get new speechwriters.

  • JR ludwig

    Thank you Senator McCain. I believe you have just elected Barack Obama.

  • Adam

    This was a brilliant choice for VP by McCain. She’s smart, telegenic and down to earth. She is a stark contrast to Sen. Joe Biden, who, while having come from blue collar roots, has been in Washington so long that he can only be said to be out of touch with the average middle class family struggling to pay for everyday expenses. I applaud Sen. McCain for his choice of a VP candidate that I can completely relate to.

  • Kempite

    Kempite at U4prez.com had a Caucus up to get Palin as the Republican VP choice awhile ago. The comments from Democrats are most striking as early, the women at least are happy with the choice.

    The Sara Palin for VP caucus.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    #105, I won’t even repeat your comment. That being said, Barack HUSSEIN Obama is the full name. Neither Gov. Palin’s daughter’s circumstance or Barack HUSSEIN Obama’s middle name should be issues whispered in the background. If Obama supporters are going to resort to these tactics in smearing Gov. Palin, they better be ready. What I just stated, while fact, was wrong. Mr. Obama’s middle name should be a non-issue. But when one side slings mud, it best be dressed in a rubber suit because I’ll be slinging it right back!

  • Jordan Richardson

    A lot of assumptions floating around here. How do we know that “concerned” isn’t an extreme family values right-winger disappointed with the Palin pick?

    It seems that both “sides” are so ready to sling bullshit back and forth that it doesn’t even matter which direction is heads or if it hits the mark. The idea, Silas, that you claim in other posts to long for a more effective brand of politics is certainly ironic given your general attitude here.

  • jerry

    #19 — March 23, 2008 @ 13:09PM — Syrin [URL]
    Sarah Palin, aka Sarah the Incompetent, proposed and pushed through the largest socialistic raise in taxes in the history of the world. She supports the idea that the State can seize the property of private industry aka oil producers in Alaska if they don’t do what she wants. She has attacked almost the entire Republican majority in the house and senate. She just resently tried to oust the Republican party chair at the annual convention. She stood by and giggled when a radio shock jock called the Republican President of the Senate a “bitch” and “a cancer”. She threatened to support Democrats running against Republicans if they did not support her tax and spend policies.
    She would be a disaster as VP.

  • melinda

    This is the most obvious effort to exploit women.
    Instead of feminist being proud, they should be angry that a man from that generation who left one wife for a younger model serves to use woman to further his career.

    Case and Point.

  • http://www.johnmccainsarahpalin.us Jim Cass

    Congrats! It’s so exciting to have a McCain and Palin ticket in 2008! Good Luck!

  • simon

    Saw this on the Washington Post website.
    “I have just read a post that says Palin has a baby just a few months old. I realize that women in their 40’s are still having babies, but I would think that a woman 44 years old with already four children would be hesitant about having another. The article said she never looked pregnant at all when she announced to her staff she was 7 months pregnant. At the same time her 16 year old daughter was absent from school for several months; the story being that she was suffering from a lengthy case of mono.
    All of this makes no difference to me except that the Republicans always go to such lengths to cover up their sins, that it is fun to catch them in a lie. Maybe some investigative reporting is in order.

  • Glenn

    The foreign policy of Sarah Palin is a non-factor because if, god forbid something did happen to McCain, she’s not just going to be on her own, she will make a great choice for a v.p. to replace her with a strong candidate on foreign policy. PROBLEM SOLVED.

    Furthermore, the argument of inexperince is so rediculous because she in fact has many more accomplishments than barakoli (people hate broccoli) and since when is experience such an issue with the dems, it seems it only became important TODAY. Also, being a governor is a position in which many decisions must be made day in and day out, as a senator, you sit in boring meetings wasting time listning to other people speak, no good experience gained there. So if they don’t like someone without experience they better start figuring out how to get obambi off of their own ticket, and let us take care of our own. This is all they can come up with because they lose if debated on all the issues-Energy independance-Economy-WINNING the war, not just ending it-health care. They lose on all of them, that’s why obama refuses to debate. She is the most awsome pick McCain could of ever made and this just goes to show how smart and savvy he is. Who would want Joe Bile running the country anyway, like Obama is about to keel over, right. Clinton had the chance to take out osama bin laden many times, but he was busy in the ovary office doing all the important things that dems like to do, a-hem Edwards.

    Notice her political career started in 1992.

    Palin was elected governor in 2006 after defeating incumbent governor Frank Murkowski in the Republican primary and former Democratic governor Tony Knowles in the general election. She was the youngest person, and the first woman, to be elected governor of Alaska. Before becoming governor, Palin served two terms on the Wasilla, Alaska, City Council from 1992 to 1996, was elected and re-elected mayor of Wasilla for two three-year terms in 1996 and 1999. She also ran unsuccessfully for lieutenant governor in 2002. Palin holds a bachelor of arts degree in journalism from the University of Idaho.

    McCain Palin all the way!!! Our Future depends on it.

  • nicole endel

    as a mother of two i do not believe in any way that her status as a mother should be an issue, the part that disdurbs me it is the fact that she has only a BA in Journalism and one term as a governer one term as a mayor and one as a city council member i do not believe that she has experience or knowledge enough to take over the white house and presidency in the event that mccain should die he is 72 yrs old and has had melenoma it is also interesting that this choice should be made when the republicans have tried to paint obama as a celebrity and inexperienced she was a beauty pagent contestant and winner (celebrity?) and has less experience than anyone on either side of the isle in the primarys and after how can she possibly assume the responsibilities of president when she didnt even know the job description of vice president PLEASE REMEMBER that the main job requirement of vice president is to be imediatly availiable and ready to assume the responsibilities of president in the event that the president is ill injured or dead

  • jeff

    I can think of one reason she’s not qualified to be the Vice President of the United States. How about the fact that she has absolutely zero national security experience?

  • Jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s

    Funny. Listening to Republicans slam Biden for being in the Senate too long is an amazingly nuanced complaint. He’s a junior senator compared to you candidate.

  • Kentrol

    Sara Palin, Where have you been all my life?
    I have never heard or seen her ever and the first 7 minutes of listening to her she has inspired me. I haven’t been this proud of my party since the days of Reagan.
    She said more with common since than any other candidate Dem. or Rep. All I can say now is Palin for President and she’s easy on the eyes too!

  • gullyson

    As a “REAL” Conservative I have to disagree with McCain’s pick. I personally believe that this is a cop-out to gain Clinton supporters. We need to be more concerned about the economy (Romney) than just to bring media attention to the party. I see a number of Counterfit Conservatives in the media are already on the bandwagon to kissing up to her. When the wheels fall off on the bandwagon people tend to jump ship and jump on the hottest new thing. I disagree with the pick, McCain has truly dissappointed me with his pick. This has nothing to do with Palin being a woman, this has to do with principal and the best choice.

  • lc

    It is refreshing and innovative to have chosen a running mate that is the epitome of a successful US citizen who happens to be a woman. She is a perfect choice and role model for all Americans. Success in her professional life is complimented by her other roles as wife and mother. It is possible to have it all. What better person for the job…..none. Demonstrates that Senator McCain is a advocate of change and a good judge of character. Good luck Govenor Palin.

  • Moviebuff

    I would have liked to see Mitt Romney in there because of his stance on illegal immigration but I like McCain’s choice. Who knows, if it is discovered that Obama isn’t even a Natural Born Citizen this whole forum is mute.

  • elaine

    #123….a-hem..Didn’t John McCain have an extra-marital affair that result in the breakup of his first marriage?

  • Cripes

    Sorry, but a rerun of Seinfeld with George and Julia just won’t cut it . . .

  • JesusLuvsU

    As a long time Conservative I cannot BELIEVE that John McCain would choose such a candidate.

    This is the most ridiculous attempt to twist demographics that US politics have ever seen. Obama’s filthy trick of choosing Joe Biden to grab his weak demographic- working class whites- is nothing compared to this.

    There is no merit to this decision other than trying to grab disenfranchised Hilary voters, period.

    The issue is not that she’s a woman, or that she’s pregnant. The issue is she hasn’t even served as one term as Governor of Alaska, and her previous experience is as a mayor of a small town of 7,000 people! Essentially, McCain pulled a Journalism Major from an Idaho college- there goes his ability to question Obama’s experience!

    And what a semi-term as Governor… this woman doesn’t understand politics or rule of law, and is a total hypocrite.

    Does anybody know exactly what she did to ‘stand up’ to the oil industry? SHE USED TAXPAYERS MONEY TO MAKE THEM DRILL MORE THAN WAS ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE!!

    If you want to grab Hilary supporters, why not pick somebody with some experience? Condi comes to mind, and barring her, well… maybe this isn’t our Grand Party’s strong point yet…

  • http://www.thejohnmccainblog.com Blogger D

    Palin may not have alot of high level government experience but in actuality shes the only one of them with any management experience…..and on foreign policy, I agree she’s light but how long will that last being McCain’s understudy? Not long. If you had a chance to be an understudy to Bruce Lee, you’d be kicking a$$ and taking names in no time. McCain made the right pick. With this one pick, he basically stole the bring “change” to Washington issue from Obama. I guarantee you DC doesn’t get many mooseburger eating, hockey playing women from Alaska. If McCain had picked Pawlenty, it wouldn’t even be news right now. We’d all be watching college football instead of talking about Palin. Thats good for the GOP. Trust me, its the right pick.

  • heelerman

    I am of a mind that Mr. McCains choice of Sarah Palin as V.P. as vice president is nothing short of brilliant. I left the GOP in June. I am one of those rural bumpkins that Mr. Obama clearly has no understanding of or empathy for. He is a urbancentric, affirmitve action socialist. Mr. McCain is by no means any kind of conservitive. I would have been very content not to vote at all.
    Living as I do in “The Beautiful Land of Entrapment” I see Bill Richardsons corruption every day. Sarah hates corruption? Great! She is a shooter? even greater! She is well aware of the assualt on rural Americans by the U.N and the Nature Nazis? Outstanding!! I already know what Mr. Obama thinks of we rural types. I’m very pleased to see a rural westerner on the ticket.
    “Freedom for the West!”

  • John

    I would love to see a debate Palin against Obama. Both have absolutely no foreign policy experience but really how much did Clinton have? Palin does have Executive experience governing a small state like Clinton with amazingly high approval ratings albeit for 2 not 8 years, but who’s counting? And like I have read earlier we have the start of football season, a Cat 4 hurricane headed toward N.O. and Obama’s big speech and the whole nation is focused on Sarah Palin. Amazing pick by McCain. And of course, besides all of the above, Republicans do not listen to pundits or Democrats they listen to their base and the base is Fired Up.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan Miller

    If Senator McCain chose Governor Palin to garner votes from unhappy supporters of Senator Clinton, he is an idiot. I do not think he is an idiot. I think he made a damn good choice: an outsider to old fashioned politics and a person with good, solid common sense and enough toughness to perhaps make a dent in Washington politics as usual. Hell, she might even help to restore a badly needed sense of self-sufficiency in the country. Was it a good political choice? I don’t know. If it was, and she becomes the Vice President, and maybe later the President, will it be good for the country? I think so.

    What I am seeing on these boards and on other blog sites is a lot of really upset Democrats trying to minimize Governor Palin as a former beauty queen with hardly any other accomplishments; a woman with a small child suffering from Downs Syndrome who should stay home and take care of her child instead of being in politics. These rather pitiful attacks show little more than fear that the Democratic Messiah might have a really hard fight on his hands.

    Dan(Miller)

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Just to straighten one thing out, Palin is NOT the only one with executive experience. McCain’s two years as commander of a military base has to count too.

    Dave

  • cjc

    Family Values? Really? Just had a baby 4 months ago, still breast feeding and now she is on the campaign trail for Vice President of the United States? Oh yeah those are freaking awesome family values. That’s just awesome that she dedcided to get knocked up while governing the state of Alaska. And I am sorry to those who I offend that can not “wrap their heads around this idea”.

  • ricki

    Sarah Pain might very well be a great political leader… in the future! She’s just getting her feet wet. She hasn’t had much of a chance to learn about the issues the rest of our country is faced with in 2008. As governor of Alaska, she’s concentrating on her state, which is what she was elected to do. I think the Republicans did her a disservice. If she had given her speech (at the right time) at the RNC, she would have been introduced to the country(just like Obama in 2004) and possibly be ready to lead a nation in 4 or 8 years. But not now… she’s a little too home grown.

  • http://vigrxplusmaleenhancementpills.com Vig RX plus male enhancement pills

    Talk about hindsight being 20/20. You are now looking like a genius and that idiot that said she is now unqualified even a bigger idiot than than he already did. I think that she will make a great VP and even a better president. Yes I think that in 4 years she will be the President of the United States.

  • Glenn

    The most awesome choice for vp. She is a reformer like McCain and he selected her because he sees her views as the best direction for the future of the rep party. She definitely will not allow wasteful spending. I was hoping for Romney, but once again McCain shows that he knows better than everyone else does. As far as being a new mother, her husband has assumed the role of mr. mom, and she will be provided much help when in the white house. Couldn’t be a better scenario for her. It’s very obvious this was a great choice by how completely upset the dems are.

    McCain Palin definitely Country First.

  • http://ex-conservative.blogspot.com Glenn Contrarian

    Glenn –

    This woman’s personal staff called TWENTY-FOUR TIMES to get her brother-in-law fired from law enforcement. Are we to believe that she had nothing to do with that?

    This, sir, is the kind of vindictiveness that led the Bush administration to expose Valerie Plame…and by extension expose EVERY AMERICAN SPY that was associated with her, thereby placing their lives in danger and certainly harming our national security efforts.

    And you think Palin would be good for president? Looks like you’ve been drinking a bit too much kool-aid.

  • http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/disconnected-thoughts-on-current-spectacular-maneuvers/ anon

    Whether she’s qualified or not is irrelevant. She gives the whole show a good look.

  • Joseph

    Glenn Contrarian trying to dig up dirt, that’s not going to work as your just grasping at straws. It won’ work because WRIGHT, FARRAKAHN, AYERS, REZKO. It goes to show that she won’t stand for corruption even within her own family. Why wont obama debate the issues face to face with McCain? It’s ok, we all know why. Why can’t you keep things intelligent and not revert to kool aid comments?

  • http://www.develop4u.com Dave

    Why Isn’t New Mommy Sarah Palin Qualified To Be Vice President?

    She’s a complete unknown. The GOP is going to argue that she’s the most popular governor in Alaska. Um, okay. So? It’s not too hard to be well liked when almost everyone in your state looks acts and thinks exactly like you. Let’s face it; if you live in Alaska, you obviously aren’t living in the mainstream.

    What’s next, Joel Fleischman for secretary of state? Maggie O’Connell for secretary of interior? (If you don’t get the references, go rent Northern Exposure)

    It’s not like she’s the governor of California or New York, or Florida or, yes, even Texas. She is a virgin candidate who lives all the way in Alaska, apart from the daily politics of Washington. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that being the governor of Alaska for two years does not qualify you to be the President of the United States, of which she could be if a 72 year old cancer survivor dies while in office.

    If you’d like to make a comparative argument and contrast her lack of experience with Obama’s, fine. Barack Obama has been thoroughly and publicly vetted. Obama has gone through a 2 year public background check by the DNC and the RNC as well as by the world wide media. I have a good idea of who Obama is as a person and where he stands on the issues. (Go read Dreams of My Father if you don’t feel like you know him.)

    Obama has experience in Washington, is a member of the Senate and held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans’ Affairs through December 2006. He took additional assignments with Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. He also became Chairman of the Senate’s subcommittee on European Affairs. As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama has made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa. He understands the political environment of Washington well as well as global politics.

    Sarah Palin is a candidate who has a dearth of knowledge, contacts and experiences within the continental US. She has absolutely no experience dealing with international policy. (and I’m sorry her son going to Iraq this September is not a qualifier)

    Even a change candidate need understand the beltway and Washington even if one is from outside of it. She has no experience interacting within this environment nor does she have experience governing in an environment where the government of that state is a major government body. I’m sorry, Alaska doesn’t qualify.

    We are asking a total newcomer to take over the mantle of the presidency in the event that a 72-76 year old man falls ill? Wow! Didn’t McCain learn a thing from the errors of nominating an unqualified novice after living though nearly eight years of the Bush administration?

    There were so many qualified female Republican candidates to select from (Sen. Kay Baliey Hutchinson, Gov. Christie Todd Whitman…) and McCain selects the gun totting, mother of five pageant queen from Alaska whom he has met twice ever because her life fits a nice profile? Wow!

    If Obama is assassinated by some nut, (and it’s possible) Joe Biden would assume his responsibilities, we’re still in fine shape as a nation under the leadership of Joe Biden. If McGrandpa falls ill, I don’t trust Quale’s sister in taking over the mantle of President of the United States.

    That’s my problem with Sarah Palin, politics aside.

  • Zedd

    Hey all,

    My neighbor organized a bake sale last week. I’m guessing Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff?

  • Clavos

    The GOP is going to argue that she’s the most popular governor in Alaska.

    Actually, they probably won’t. They know she’s the only Governor in Alaska. What they likely will argue is that she has the highest approval rating from her constituents (80%), of any governor in the nation.

    She is a virgin candidate who lives all the way in Alaska, apart from the daily politics of Washington.

    Which is one of her most compelling attributes: no baggage.

    I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that being the governor of Alaska for two years does not qualify you to be the President of the United States

    Careful that limb doesn’t crack. It qualifies you better than a couple of years in the Senate; being governor means you’re in charge and running everything, including being Commander-in-Chief of the state National Guard.

    Obama has experience in Washington, is a member of the Senate…

    See above.

    We are asking a total newcomer to take over the mantle of the presidency in the event that a 72-76 year old man falls ill?

    Better than directly electing the total newcomer.

    McCain selects the gun totting, mother of five pageant queen from Alaska whom he has met twice ever because her life fits a nice profile?

    A profile which includes a proven track record as a reformer, unafraid to take on her own party, if necessary — in short, a maverick, just like he is.

    They will make a great team.

  • Don Halama

    All of you people on these blogs crack me up, do you really believe anything you say here is going to change the outcome of the election? Look at all the time you guys are wasting here and on all the blogs on the net. Your time could be put to much better use as a volunteer to a good cause.

    Peace

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Obama has gone through a 2 year public background check by the DNC and the RNC as well as by the world wide media.

    A vetting whose results are being largely ignored by the media and which ought to earn him a spot on the ‘do not fly’ list rather than in the White House.

    Dave

  • http://www.develop4u.com Dave

    RE: The GOP is going to argue that she’s the most popular governor in Alaska.

    Actually, they probably won’t. They know she’s the only Governor in Alaska. What they likely will argue is that she has the highest approval rating from her constituents (80%), of any governor in the nation.

    Okay… allow me to rephrase my statement, my friend.

    She’s a complete unknown. The GOP is going to argue that she’s the most popular governor in the United States of America. Um, okay, so? She’s the Governor of ALASKA! It’s not too hard to be well liked when almost everyone in your state looks acts and thinks exactly like you. Let’s face it; if you live in Alaska, you obviously aren’t living in the mainstream.

  • http://www.develop4u.com Dave

    Since you didn’t read it the first time, Clavos, I’ll restate it.

    Obama has experience in Washington, is a member of the Senate and held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans’ Affairs through December 2006. He took additional assignments with Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. He also became Chairman of the Senate’s subcommittee on European Affairs. As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama has made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa. He understands the political environment of Washington well as well as global politics.

    Sarah Palin is a candidate who has a dearth of knowledge, contacts and experiences within the continental US. She has absolutely no experience dealing with international policy. (and I’m sorry her son going to Iraq this September is not a qualifier)

    Even a change candidate need understand the beltway and Washington even if one is from outside of it. She has no experience interacting within this environment nor does she have experience governing in an environment where the government of that state is a major government body. I’m sorry, Alaska doesn’t qualify.

  • Zedd

    Clav,

    A profile which includes a proven track record as a reformer, unafraid to take on her own party, if necessary — in short, a maverick, just like he is.

    It’s not hard to be a “maverick” in a sparsely populated state of 656,424 sq mi with just about as many people. So if the next person is a mile away, cant be too hard to do your own thing now can it??? Is it me????

    Maverick…. More like LONER! Hence the six kids I suppose.

  • Clavos

    Saying it again, doesn’t make it any more cogent than it was the first time (i.e. not at all).

    Even a change candidate need understand the beltway and Washington even if one is from outside of it. She has no experience interacting within this environment

    Nor did she when she took over the Alaska government — didn’t even slow her down.

    You don’t have to “understand” to reform; you don’t need to “interact;” you just have to be smart and have balls — Palin fits the bill on both counts.

  • Zedd

    “just have to be smart and have balls”

    Yep!! Takes brains and br.. well bullets to shoot all that caribou on yo frunt step. That’s what we need. She knows how to shoot elk and caribou and Ain’t sceeered ta dig up some crude ‘n make a mess in the national wild park! She ain’t sceered of no Eskimos or no bears!! She’s a-tough. Jess what we need in dealin with NATO an all’m fourine folk!!
    s

  • Zedd

    Why heck her baby is challanged and she’ll have time to mother that chile like it needs to be mothered while she runs the country. Or maybe that baby can sacrifice itself for the nation cause we GOTTA have her!!

    Wonder if she’ll postpone the oath like Biden did for his sons???

  • http://www.google.com cjc

    You’re blogging too idiot. PALIN SUCKS!!!!

  • http://www.develop4u.com Dave

    To Clavos re: You don’t have to “understand” to reform; you don’t need to “interact;” you just have to be smart and have balls — Palin fits the bill on both counts.

    That sounds the strong case given to support george w. bush in 2000.

    After 8 years of seeing this theory in action, the conclusion is obvious… You’re wrong!!!

    Eight years later and you haven’t learned a thing.

  • findlay neil

    She is a female
    She is a female Ronald Regan !!!

  • Zedd

    Regan? Scary! That means the crack epidemic and gang banging is coming back!!

  • Obamamama

    I see the fingerprints of Gingrich all over this selection. McCain is completely incapable of making this kind of a decision without some heavy input from one of his “friends”. It is irresponsible for John McCain to select this woman as his running mate. This cynical strategy puts the entire country in jeopardy. Our safety is at risk with Ms. Congeniality as a possible VEEP. I know I’ll regret saying this, but even though Cheney is a dangerous man, he’s predictable. Palin sounds like another loose cannon like McCain.

    I love the characterization of these two as “Mavericks”. They are both nuts. You can take a look at McCain’s 2000 campaign and compare it to his current positions only to find he’s completely remade himself into Bush. Palin is equally bad: Her disrespect for the environment, the use of her office to settle a personal problem (ex-brother-in-law), and the selfish act of a pregnancy at age 43 after having 4 healthy children. Her baby had a risk of 1 in 50 of Down Syndrome. Palin is using this child as some part of her glorious story. How self-absorbed can anyone be. Will Daddy be home with the little boy while mommy plays VEEP. Hardly. They’ll hire a nanny if they haven’t already done so. Inspiring? Again, the Repugnant party is relying on superficiality rather than any depth of meaning. No Hillary supporter in her right mind could vote for this woman who is an affront to everything that Hillary has done in her life and is nothing more than a glorified pageant girl.

  • Clavos

    aaaawww.

    McCain rained on your Disneyesque parade, and now you’re all pouting and whining…

  • bliffle

    Oba says:

    “…the selfish act of a pregnancy at age 43 after having 4 healthy children. Her baby had a risk of 1 in 50 of Down Syndrome. ..”

    My doctor brought this up in conversation. Said it’s irresponsible for a woman over 40 to get pregnant.

  • Bethany

    ok so i am pissed at the spin this article puts on the situation at hand. It is basically saying because a woman has young children she can’t be in a powerful position. This is ridiculous! Men don’t get this when they have a young child, you never see and never will see “Why isn’t new daddy John Doe qualified to be vice president”. This is a stupid and ignorant approach because it’s a personal and sexist attack that is irrelevant and will do just the opposite of what it is intended to do. This will make women upset and make them want to vote for her and McCain. So good job.
    However, I am sure that the women of America are intelligent enough to know that they have to look past this crap and focus on the real issues of America!

  • pinkgypsy

    In regards to Oba: There is nothing wrong with a woman having a child after the age of 40… my mother was 46 and my father was 52 when I was born. Many women choose to have babies later in life and I seriously think your doctor should think before he speaks.
    I think we should look into how well she can do her job as VP if elected….

  • Cathy

    Okay, I agree with previous bloggers who say that this woman is selfish and focused on her own ambitions at the expense of her family. She has four children still at home–one an infant with special needs. She has no business being VP. If it was her husband running for VP I would also say he was not putting his family first. This family needs both parents fully involved at this time. If she doesn’t want to be fully involved she had no business having five kids. As a woman you can do anything-but not everything at the same time.

    I have talked to all the working mothers I know (who try to arrange more time with their families and go part-time or flex) and they feel no connection with Sarah Palin. Yes, a man can stay home and take care of the kids and do a fine job. But the average working mother doesn’t understand a mother who doesn’t want to be the one taking care of her children.

  • http://www.sarahpalin.me DC

    Please visit a new SARAH PALIN fan and supporter website. It has a bio, photos, contact information and free Sarah Palin computer wallpaper.

  • http://www.childs-car-seat.co.uk Josh

    It seems that the focus of Sarah Palin’s qualification to be VP has been stuck on the facts surrounding her pregnancy and whether her subsequent time constraints would allow the attention to the job as would be expected and required.

    It would be more appropriate to focus on whether she has the necessary qualifications and experience to benefit such a position, as well as examining her past accomplishments and track record as to whether they lend themselves to providing the ultimate benefit to the country in the position of a Vice President.

    Just my thoughts.

  • Born Again

    John McCain made a mistake of picking Sarah Palin. But then again, he needs someone who could be malleable.

  • Cannonshop

    Born Again, if her record’s any indicator, Then malleable is the LEAST applicable descriptor-she’s more likely to bend, spindle and mutilate HIM.

    Cathy, I’ve worked under managers in a heavy manufacturing environment who were pregnant-and that’s a situation that’s sure as hell a lot more dangerous than an office, with immediate safety and life-and-limb considerations. It’s not only wrong, but disingenuous to assume that a pregnant lady can’t do the job of POTUS, much less the ceremonial bullshit that is VPOTUS.

    As for her “Neglecting” her kids-do you have documentation? Her husband spends a big chunk of the year on a commercial fishing vessel, and works as a steel-worker the rest of the year-neither position is particularly conducive to babysitting the kids. I rather expect she manages to balance her responsibilities (Professional life and home life) like just about everyone else with a demanding job-maybe a bit better than most.

    Just ’cause YOUR friends can’t do it, doesn’t mean NOBODY can. The ability to manage both time and stress is a rare, but not unique, quality.

    Thousands of us grew up with either a single parent working full time(and no other parent), or both parents working full-time, and survived the experience without turning into drug-zombies or criminals, and without “Nannies” or nanny-state dependency. To this point-I do not find your argument compelling.

  • Kunfuzzled

    If she had been mentioned before. If she had not been shoed in more for what she has than who she is, her femininity then I might entertain the thought. But the way she was put in, the reasoning behind it reeks of manipulation and the success of dumbing down Americans.

    Let’s face it, McCain is dusting as we speak (no offence but reality0. So don’t ask yourself if you would vote for her as VP, ask yourself if you’d vote for her as president because that’s likely what you’ll be doing.

    I mean, I guess she’s used to those 3am wake up calls as a mother, but she’s also used to doing things while being half asleep (speaking as a mother myself).

    This was not a thought out process of McCains, it was and is an act of desperation. Shame on him for assuming we’re so blind by hate and rage that we the people and or women would fall for this and shame on her for allowing herself to be pimped like this. Then again, I guess everyone wants their fifteen minutes of fame, but not like this Palin and McCain,c’mon guy, did you really think we’d fall for this? Then again, I’m amazed at how willingly mindless we have become.

  • Michael

    As VP she will be head of the Senate. How can you run the floor of something you’ve never even been a part of?

    This is ridiculous. There’s a big difference between selecting a qualified candidate who compliments your weaknesses, and blatant pandering. McCain shows a brilliant political strategy, but a terrible recklessness. Her lack of experience (which McCain constantly blasted Obama for) is so great it makes Obama look like FDR! Is this putting the country first? Absolutely not. Would she be on the ticket if Obama had picked Hillary? Absolutely not. It’s simple pandering.

    It crosses a line that I think should not be crossed. There are real stakes her, and a semi-term governor/soccer mom (her own words, at her acceptance speech) should not be a heartbeat away from the Presidency. She’s the political equivalent of a trophy wife.

  • http://roschellenelson.blogspot.com Roschelle

    Palin isn’t qualified to be VP because she brings more of the same to Washington. If you’ll use your political office to bully and stiff arm people into submission and lie about the true identity of your grandson’s mother you don’t deserve my vote or anyone elses.

  • Cathy

    Hello Cannonshop

    I am a single working mother, and have been a married working mother. My children were and are great students and so far no zombie qualities or drug dependency issues have surfaced. I also know kids raised by working parents (myself included) and raised by nannies who are doing great. That was not my point.

    Palin’s situation is obviously not average. She has a 14 year old, a 7 year old, and a four month old Down Syndrome infant and is running for VP. Her children will probably turn out just fine with qualified people giving them the everyday care and attention they need.

    She can probably capture the vote of all the superwomen out there. But average working mothers who crave more time with their families and struggle with balancing kids and jobs will feel no connection with her.

  • Clavos

    It’s not only wrong, but disingenuous to assume that a pregnant lady can’t do the job of POTUS, much less the ceremonial bullshit that is VPOTUS.

    She’s not pregnant, Cannon.

  • http://ritaschiano.blogspot.com/ Rita Schiano

    Just What We Need, More Hubris (Dear John McCain…)
    To: John McCain:

    I’d like to submit my qualifications for Chief of Staff. (Actually, I’ve more executive experience than Sarah, but she’s already nabbed the VP nomination). But if Sarah truly believes she is qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency, she just may need me there in the wings as her Chief of Staff.

    Here’s a comparison of our résumés for your convenience:

    Sarah Palin: Governor of Alaska for 18 months; mayor of Wasilla, pop. 5,470 (2000 census), BA Journalism; won the Miss Wasilla beauty contest (age 20), some sort of executive business experience, member NRA.

    Rita Schiano: Owner Rita Schiano Freelance Writing/Editing; Owner The Reed Edwards Company; current Director of Communications KidsTerrain, Inc., Owner/manager/chef Casual Cafe* restaurant, (1989-2000); Vice President of Book Operations Executive Enterprises Publications Co. Inc (New York); past president and vice president of BNI-Sturbridge, past vice president Woman in Business; BA Philosophy; MA couorse work Miami University; Miss Teenage America pageant (took top 13 year old, Miss Central New York; member Rotary International District 7910; member Woman in Business; member Business Network International (Sturbridge Business Builders); member ASCAP

    * 26% Close in first year; 61% close after 3 years…we were in business 11 years before pulling a “Seinfeld” — going out while on top of the game.

    Sarah’s belief in herself to be qualified for VP (and possibly the presidency) has inspired me to look deep within and find the hubris needed to throw my name in the running for Chief of Staff.

  • Clavos

    Ever manage a budget in the billions (Currently $6.6B), Rita? Ever been Commander-in-Chief of a military force? Cleaned up any corruption? Been in charge of a police force? Earned an 80% approval rating from hundreds of thousands of people? Killed an “earmark” (“bridge to nowhere”) that saved the taxpayers (including you and me) multi-millions of dollars? There’s lots more.

    You don’t mention how many kids you raised while running your small businesses…

  • ggmama

    The McCain/Palin ticket is an insult to the American people, especially Hillary supporters, who love their country and are not as shallow as McCain and the Karl Rove team would like to think. Palin stands for NOTHING that Hillary stands for. And when she tries to use Hillary’s name to support her ticket, it disgusts me. With the selection of Palin as VP candidate, not only does that strengthen by belief that Obama/Biden will be the best for the country and get my vote, I am now actively campaigning for them.

  • Clavos

    …especially Hillary supporters, who love their country and are not as shallow as McCain and the Karl Rove team would like to think.

    Karl Rove is a Fox News contributor. He has nothing to do with the McCain campaign. I wish he did; he’s the most brilliant political strategist in the country.

    Wherever did you get the idea McCain thinks Hillary supporters are shallow? He named Palin for her conservatism, her reform record and her reputation as an activist maverick.

    I find it interesting when some of you Hillary supporters bring up the idea that McCain named Palin in an effort to garner disaffected Hillary voters. What McCain DID accomplish was to show the nation that he’s not afraid to have a woman on the ticket.

    And when she tries to use Hillary’s name to support her ticket, it disgusts me.

    The only time she’s invoked Hillary’s name so far was to graciously pay tribute to Hillary’s history-making campaign. A compliment, in other words.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Food for thought:

    When Gov. Palin attempted to praise Hillary again in a speech before a more rabidly conservative south-Pennsylvania crowd yesterday, she [or at least the name Hillary] got soundly booed.

    The names Clinton and Ferraro may vanish from her forthcoming stump speeches…

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan Miller

    The names Clinton and Ferraro may vanish from her forthcoming stump speeches… As well they should. The election is now about Senators Obama, McCain, Biden and Governor Palin. The Clintons are out of it, and that’s exactly where they should be.

    Dan(Miller)

  • Simon

    Hillary had 18,000,000 votes more then half of those people will vote for McCain specially women because they don’t want Hussein to be president they wanted Hillary so since she is not there and McCain has a woman they will vote for him and obama will lose and he will go away and the country will go PHEW ,so Sarah Palin was a great move McCain did very smart

  • Kunfuzzled

    Sorry Clavos, you are sadly mistaken, he named Palin for her parts, any woman will do parts. Not her qualifications. He met with her once in his life before doing this.

    She is a woman
    He needed a woman

    Sarah Palin is a prostitute, and I say that with all the respect no disrespect. She sold herself out to the highest bidder for the lowest price.

  • Clavos

    Sorry Clavos, you are sadly mistaken, he named Palin for her parts, any woman will do parts.

    Show me a reference where McCain says that; otherwise, it’s just your rather shallow opinion, and the mistaken one.

  • Kevin Smith

    I find it absolutely baffling that McCain has had only one brief meeting with Palin before choosing her as his running mate. This was clearly a last minute decision and a knee jerk reaction to the Obama attention from the night before. This is an irresponsible and reckless decision, he hardly even knows her. He’s selection shows me what type of president he will be, decisions will not be made with careful consideration and diplomacy but instead, quick gut reactions will lead the way. Listen, I’m not undermining Palin’s accomplishments, I congratulate her on her historic achievement. However McCain is simply using her as a chess pawn.

    I also don’t agree with her policies and views:

    1. She is pro-war.
    2. She is opposed to reproductive rights for women.
    3. She doesn’t believe in global warming.
    4. She supports big oil and wherever they chose to drill.
    5. She’s a lifetime member of the NRA.
    6. She’s opposed a clean water initiative.
    7. She sued the federal gov. for listing polar bears as an endangered species (why? cause you can’t drill for oil when animals are occupying the land) she’s against wildlife protection.

    …It’s true they would’ve never selected her, if she were a man, it’s pretty insulting to think a position was given to you simply due to your gender…what a gimmick.

    Obama/Biden 08

  • Clavos

    This was clearly a last minute decision and a knee jerk reaction to the Obama attention from the night before.

    It was predicted on the blogs, including this site, weeks before. The article you’re commenting on was written more than a year ago.

    It was planned some time ago, and flawlessly concealed and executed, with exquisite timing.

  • Cathy

    My understanding of the political picture is as follows –

    McCain had a good position with Independents, because his past (not his present positions) spoke of more moderate views. However, because of these historic moderate views, he is having trouble holding the Republican base and is worried that they won’t show up and vote.

    Picking Palin shores up his standing with the evangelicals and the Republican base, but totally screws up his standing with the Independents because of her extreme right-wing positions, e.g.,

    1. People do not cause global warming(environment)

    2. No abortions, ever (privacy/religious)

    3. Creationism should be taught in schools (religious)

    I believe Palin will be repugnant to the independents and the Hillary voters (I don’t think he was really after them–hopefully he is too intelligent to think Palin would attract the Hillary voters).

    Both McCain and Obama need the independents and undecideds to win the election, along with the usual Republican and Democratic bases. I believe McCain just made it more possible for the Democrats to win. I thank him.

  • cbm

    I love that McCain picked Palin. I am a woman who voted for Hillary, and now I think that McCain has just given this election to Obama. There is no way that Palin holds the same kind of appeal as Hillary Rodham Clinton, except for the fact that they are both women.

  • Cannonshop

    #187… your points Cathy:

    1. The science doesn’t support human-caused global warming. No, it really DOESN’T. Probes placed by NOAA to measure the increase in oceanic temperature several years ago have yeilded…no change. On the other hand, Geological evidence indicates the climate is not, naturally, stable. A bit of research into things like “The Carbon Cycle”, geology, or even history might help you here.

    2. The president doesn’t have that authority, and the VP CERTAINLY lacks the authority to change that one. A person can have a moral stance, even one that’s unpopular, and still do a better job than someone whose moral stance is opposite, and vERY popular.

    3. she said “BOTH” should, or “NEITHER”. her exact quote is good science, by the way- the Debate should be…a debate. Silencing one side as a means to victory is bad science. (See the Global Warming thing.) Since we haven’t (Successfully) replicated evolution over millions of years in a lab, it’s still a Hypothesis with very little empirical evidence, only raw data. It’s good raw data, and the hypothesis is sound, but it’s still something that is open to question-just like the existence of an invisible friend like God is. The only way to kill a debate with such strong supporters on both sides, is to make them face off constantly and work to prove their positions by testing one another’s hypotheses. Either way, neither should be taught in schools until students are able to apply critical thinking skills and logic-and those are mostly grounded in reading, learning the Scientific Method, and learning to handle mathematics.
    Teaching a theory by rote doesn’t enrich minds, it simply gets lots of sheep who’ll agree without thought-which is a function properly reserved for churches, not schools. (If you don’t want to think or have your ideas challenged, join or form a church, don’t bring it into the classroom.)

  • Cathy

    Cannonball –

    1. Your view is right wing (fairly extreme)

    2. Supreme Court is old and so is McCain–replacements needed while she might be in charge

    3. Your view is right wing (fairly extreme)

    I believe my statement that Palin was chosen because she appeals to the right wing base is validated by your response.

    Actually, I don’t have a problem with creationism being taught in school, as I don’t quite buy the evolution theory. I do acknowledge, however, that my opinion on this issue is a little strange and not accepted scientifically or by the general public.

  • Pablo

    Cathy,

    You think Cannonshop is right wing? I hadn’t noticed hehehe. 😉

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan Miller

    Perhaps a bit off thread, but this is as good a place as any to post the idea. I just got off the phone with a good friend, who had the following suggestions for Senator McCain and Governor Palin:

    1. They should appear jointly to the extent possible during the campaign, and

    2. McCain should promise, if elected, to keep his Vice President fully in the loop on everything.

    When Truman became President, he had had only one or possibly two private meetings with FDR and had little idea what was happening. He was kept totally in the dark, even though FDR and those close to him knew, months before his death, that FDR was dying. Much of what happened during FDR’s last months was not even known to FDR. Many of his communications with Churchill were obviously not written, and possibly not even read, by FDR. Truman did not know, for example, anything about the Atom bomb until after he became the President. Should Senator McCain become the President, he should not make that mistake.

    Dan(Miller)

  • Clavos

    From your keyboard to Senator McCain’s ear, Dan(Miller), that’s an excellent idea.

    Clav(os)

  • Cannonshop

    Cathy, It’s not “Right Wing” to demand that policy based on science be based on…Science, as in actual science, where the ‘scientists’ don’t cook the books or flog the data to support an assertion, no matter what beneficial spin-offs culturally can be derived. Science is not about making social change, nor is it about “Social Justice”, nor is it a substitute for philosophy. Science is Science. I place Anthropogenic Global Warming right up there in credibility with Religious Fundamentalism and the four-thousand-year-old-earth idea-there’s just too much evidence against it, and the supporting data is too flawed, and has not been examined rigorously by either proponents, or…proponents.

    Good science includes submitting your peer-review research to people who disagree with you, because the process of peer-review is fundamentally antagonistic in nature- as is experimentation itself- the idea is to BREAK the Hypothesis, and if it doesn’t break,then you might have a theory…maybe. AGW proponents like Prof. Mann are very resistant to anyone questioning their assertions, and tend to refuse inquiries into their methodology or modeling-this makes their work non-transparent, which indicates dishonesty in their methods and results. In Science it doesn’t matter what social or societal benefit of promulgating an idea might be-the Idea has to be tested, and testable.

    (this is why you don’t have real scientists trying to prove or disprove the existence of God using science. The assertion is untestable, and the results highly subjective.)

    Now, if you’re saying the Left Wing can’t handle doing hard science, I’ll have to disagree-there are plenty of real scientists who are also democrats, or socialists, or even communists personally. But, they’re scientists because they don’t let their world-view influence their methods and results. Same on the right. There are real physicists doing real physics with honest methodology and results who are die-hard christians, right-wingers, even (gasp!) fascist in outlook. As long as they keep their political and social ideas out of the work they’re doing, they’re doing science.

    Echo-chamber agreement, where you pick and choose fellow believers for peer review is not science. refusing to share your methods, or massaging your data, or editing out/cherry-picking results is not science. Making straw-man attacks on your critics in an effort to silence them? NOT SCIENCE.

    (I’m kinda working backwards from your “3”, Cathy, Please bear with me…)

    Your second point- You should look not only to someone’s personal beliefs, but to how they execute their office, you should also consider that America trends to split the party-in-charge between the executive, and the legislative. The times when this has not happened, not much of anything else did either. (Witness the vast ineffectiveness and backbiting of the Republican Congress once Clinton left office, or the Democrat congress under Clinton. Both were, for a period of time, unified conditions in which Party Platforms could be pursued aggressively-yet in practice, the pursuit did NOT happen with the single example of the Patriot Act-which should have died quietly under a Democrat congress by not being renewed-but was renewed…an event that highlights the crass desire for more power inherent in the leadership of BOTH parties.)

    Simply put, Imagine Pres. Palin trying to get a supreme court nominee through a hostile, mostly Democrat, senate. I’d suspect, given her record IN OFFICE that her stance on Abortion probably won’t be her top priority. On the other hand, if NARAL and NOW are doing their jobs, it will be a SIGNIFICANT priority for the Senate’s confirmation hearings, and the Borking that follows.

    AND, that’s assuming it’s really a priority for her, or McCain. I tend to suspect it’s a lower priority for either of them than issues closer to “Home”, you know, like Defense policy, taxation, in Palin’s case property rights, etc.

    Abortion’s great for getting people screaming at each other, but it’s not much of a draw nation-wide. Most polls indicate a moderate ambivalence outside of very fanatically fringe elements on the right. It’s a debate that is already won on the political scene.

  • Cannonshop

    Pablo, I’m so far to the right I went right around the left side and lapped you twice. I Have called Dick Cheney “That Pinko”, and I don’t see any difference on a practical level between a Fascist and a Communist, I don’t trust in “Conspiracies”, and I like to apply Occam’s Razor and variants to most situations (“If it can be explained only by gross incompetence or conspiracy, Incompetence is the far more likely choice.”)

    I’m also a pessimist, and believe in the law of unintended consequences,where the most noble and generous intentions tend to result in the least desirable outcomes when said noble intentions fail to apply logic and reason. People who want to change the world into a utopia make me nervous. People who abuse scientific names to do so scare the dickens out of me, and I truly do not trust a stranger who claims to have my best interests at heart. I also distrust anyone that tells me they’re going to make me do something “For your own good.”

    such people generally have no idea what “My own good” is, and tend to lack any ethical or moral limitations on what methods they have available to compel me to do what they think is right for me.

    So, yah, Pablo, I’m VERY far to the right.

  • Pablo

    Uhhh I know Cannon.

  • Clavos

    Nuthin’ gets by him, Cannon.

  • Cannonshop

    heheh…yeah. Nothing but the obvious.

  • Pablo

    Canonshop,

    Permit me to pontificate a bit. I only characterize those that are on the left or right side of the political spectrum with those that believe in this outmoded idea.

    As I myself do not classify me as either on the right nor on the left when push comes to shove. I will reveal where I stand (not why) on a few of the main issues of the day, to shown you what I mean.

    Second amendment, firm almost unbridled supporter of it.

    Abortion, I am personally against it, that being said I do not think it should be illegal for a woman to abort a fetus.

    Death Penalty
    I am against it

    Drugs
    For total legalization of all drugs, recreational and medical, i.e. prescriptions not required, only written instructions and cautions.

    9/11
    Inside Job 100%

    Health Care
    Not a right as in being born with a “right” but I do support basic necessary health care for all.

    Immigration
    No special treatments for aliens, and if not here legally, deported. I do not support the last push for immigration (amnesty) reform.

    Taxation
    I hold the view that the Federal tax law is not constitutional for various reasons, and believe that federal withholding is unlawful as well.

    Real ID
    Against 100%

    FED
    Illegal and criminal and the most ingenious device in history for the ruling elite to consolidate and enrich their control.

    CFR Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg, Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove.

    All linked, in cahoots with each other, as being the ruling elite, and having plans for the de-population of the planet, and having a global feudalistic empire of elites and slaves.

    I think many people today, yourself aside (by your own claim your a right-winger) do not fall into an easily definable political left/right paradigm.

    That being said Cannon, I am glad to see a spade call itself a spade. You are on the side of history, which in my opinion the right wing represents the strong arm of the corporate state over the working person, and is called fascism.

  • Femocrat in CA

    Sarah Palin:
    Pro-Life for the fetus; Pro-war for the 18-20 year olds that will be coming home in caskets. Pro-extinction of polar bears.

    Pro-Family while she breast feeds her Down Syndrome baby under her desk while she works.

    Pro-Creationism in schools appears to be more of an issue than choosing to promote PEACE for “God’s Creatures”.

    And Mrs. Palin, what exactly are your priorities??

    A message for John McCain – just because we’re women doesn’t mean we’re stupid enough to see through your veneer of a VP choice. Sarah is no Hillary, and those “Cracks on the glass ceiling”, whether Sarah wins or loses, will never be hers.

    Ever hear of BACK FIRE??

  • Kwaayesnama

    Get over it she is very qualified.
    She’s a soccer mom.
    She does not practice birth control.
    She wears high heals and was an almost beauty queen.
    What other qualifications do you need to have your finger on the nuclear button?

  • Alex958

    How anyone (who possesses an open mind) can conclude that Senator McCain’s choice of Governor Palin is a poor one is beyond me! She is a SUPERB choice. I see only one (weak) argument against her: her apparent lack of experience required to “step in” as President. To the naysayeers (most of whom are probably Democrat) I appease this unknown about Sarah Palin with one thought: Harry S. Truman.

  • Cathy

    Well, it looks like the nuts are out in full force with extreme ideas. I guess I will join in–Cannonshop, Pablo, and anyone who cares, these are my ideas-

    1. Don’t know for sure on Global Warming–but believe that it is imperative we stop polluting the planet with chemicals and greenhouse gases. Read about the unexplained increase in diseases and the birth of mutated animals or nonbirth of animals headed for extinction. Not willing to bet the Earth on your views–it just makes sense to me that what we are doing is not good for the environment and we need to change our ways.

    2. Abortion–I’m basically against it with some exceptions. I’m a quality of life person for both unborn fetuses and adults. I also realize this could be a “slippery slope.” Like most things in life–no simple answers.

    3. Creationism or evolution–I don’t believe in either theory. Neither one answers the questions for me.

    4. Do not believe unrestrained capitalism will work long-term (remember we are still a young country–an experiment, let’s say) and feel we are presently seeing the faults become obvious. People of power and success become GREEDY and need to be restrained. We do need to nurture and encourage the weakest among us while the leaders are rewarded, but too often the leaders (in business or government) become unable to see that their very success and the long-term success of a society depends upon the ability of almost everyone to realistically obtain and maintain a pleasant standard of living.

    In other words, I believe in working toward a Utopia. We will never achieve it, of course, but we have to keep trying.

  • pat

    god help our country.we know mccain is nuts but now i know hes really lost his marbles picking palin. maybe cindy mccain is getting to old for the old playboy. maybe palin could help the old man remember where he lives and what state hes senator for.

  • jane doe

    If your son or daughter was serving in Baghdad, would you want his/her future decided by Sarah Palin? It could happen.

  • Clavos

    If your son or daughter was serving in Baghdad, would you want his/her future decided by Sarah Palin? It could happen.

    Better than LBJ, who WAS in charge while I was in Vietnam…

  • ScottS

    I didn’t believe it at first… but I’ve done just a bit of digging.

    Gov. Palin did not announce “her” pregnancy until a month before the baby was born. (She’d have been seven months pregnant when she announced this, and apparently hiding it VERY well.)

    Gov. Palin was in Texas when “her” water broke, a month early. While experiencing a high-risk pregnancy (her own age, carrying a Down Syndrome baby, and having signs of impending delivery a month early), she DECIDED TO FLY TO ALASKA to have “her” baby in a town of 4,500
    people.

    Apparently, the flight crew didn’t notice that a woman about to deliver was boarding their plane. SURELY she should NOT have flown as she had signs of her water breaking, or at least leaking, and had contractions.

    Palin did not take maternity leave. OK… but this is a special-needs baby!!! Two days off of work after delivering a pre-term Down Syndrome baby????

    Of course, this evidence is circumstantial. I’d like to see the birth certificate. And if it’s shown that she IS the mother, I’d like to see a genetic test (since she’s Governor of the state in which “she” gave birth).

  • Bh

    Sarah need to put her family first. Her family need her badly. To much gabage. If a man our woman do not know how to take care of their own household, how can they take care of the United States of America. Prolife is one thing, but having six outside of marrige ia another.

  • Jordan Richardson

    I’d like to see the birth certificate. And if it’s shown that she IS the mother, I’d like to see a genetic test (since she’s Governor of the state in which “she” gave birth).

    Why the fuck is that any of your business?

  • Kem

    Sarah Palin’s 17 year old daughter is pregnant and not married.

    This goes to show me that Sarah needs to take care of her family for right now.

    I am in the school system and I know for sure that a 17 year old “child” is not ready to completely raise a baby.

    Sarah, who will be a proud grandmother in the next four months, will have quite a lot on her plate – taking care of a down syndrome baby and soon taking care of her 17 year old daughter’s baby.

    I’m sorry, but now is just not the RIGHT time for her to be A VP for the US.

    As much as I want to avoid sexism in this race – we women know that it’s TRUE that we are the ones to hold a family together. There’s no way that her Eskimo husband will be able to fully take care of the 5 kids, plus a new grandchild. Come on people, let’s get real. She will be doing her family and children a diservice if she becomes VP.

    Hillary had an adult child (Chelsea) who, of course, does not need any special attention!! So, please let’s keep in mind that Palin is NO Clinton!

    Let’s make a change and vote Obama/Biden – and yes, I am a Republican!

  • Jordan Richardson

    So this Dr. Phil bullshit of taking care of your children, etc. is enough to make you actually head in the opposite direction of the policies you believe in? Wow. Americans are worse than I thought…

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    The comments here are amazing. Bigotry and misinformation of all kinds seem represented. Let me just clear up some misinformation on Palin’s record:

    1. She is pro-war.

    And your basis for this is what? That she has a son in the Army?

    2. She is opposed to reproductive rights for women.

    Not really. She isn’t for overturning Roe v. Wade, but is against federal funding for abortions and morally opposed to abortions except in cases of rape or incest. That’s a moderate position on abortion. She is not opposed to birth control.

    3. She doesn’t believe in global warming.

    As your wording suggests, this is a matter of faith. She isn’t a member of that particular religion.

    4. She supports big oil and wherever they chose to drill.

    In actuality her role in Alaska has been to block big oil in a number of ways and to try to MAKE them drill when they were reluctant to.

    5. She’s a lifetime member of the NRA.

    So is Howard Dean the chairman of the DNC. So?

    6. She’s opposed a clean water initiative.

    The so-called ‘clean water initiative’ was an attempt to control water rights to the benefit of commercial salmon farmers and the detriment of the environment and other businesses. Commercial salmon farming does plenty of harm to the environment.

    7. She sued the federal gov. for listing polar bears as an endangered species (why? cause you can’t drill for oil when animals are occupying the land) she’s against wildlife protection.

    Actually, you CAN drill for oil on land with Polar Bears. It doesn’t bother them significantly with the small footprint which modern wells have. Polar Bears are not genuinely endangered and the effort to classify them as such was a transparent ploy not really intended to do any good for the polar bears but to use them as an excuse for shutting down drilling.

    Dave

  • Kem

    You can call it Dr. Phil bullshit if you like! But, it’s the truth!

    And, yes you are correct, Americans are worse than you thought! Good example – Look whose been our President for the past 8 years! If that doesn’t validate your statement, then I don’t know what does!

    Happy day to ya!

  • JR

    A question no one is asking is why her son suddenly enlisted in the Army. Rumor has it that he had to or do some time for illegial activities. Any truth to this? This kid had a big hockey career going and was supposed to go to college and then WHAMO, in the Army.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    What I like about Palin is that although she’s supposed to be this raving Christian she named one of her daughter’s Willow and says she took the name from the lesbian witch character in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. That shows an open mind anyway.

    Dave

  • Cannonshop

    Well, it looks like the nuts are out in full force with extreme ideas. I guess I will join in–Cannonshop, Pablo, and anyone who cares, these are my ideas-

    1. Don’t know for sure on Global Warming–but believe that it is imperative we stop polluting the planet with chemicals and greenhouse gases. Read about the unexplained increase in diseases and the birth of mutated animals or nonbirth of animals headed for extinction. Not willing to bet the Earth on your views–it just makes sense to me that what we are doing is not good for the environment and we need to change our ways.

    2. Abortion–I’m basically against it with some exceptions. I’m a quality of life person for both unborn fetuses and adults. I also realize this could be a “slippery slope.” Like most things in life–no simple answers.

    3. Creationism or evolution–I don’t believe in either theory. Neither one answers the questions for me.

    4. Do not believe unrestrained capitalism will work long-term (remember we are still a young country–an experiment, let’s say) and feel we are presently seeing the faults become obvious. People of power and success become GREEDY and need to be restrained. We do need to nurture and encourage the weakest among us while the leaders are rewarded, but too often the leaders (in business or government) become unable to see that their very success and the long-term success of a society depends upon the ability of almost everyone to realistically obtain and maintain a pleasant standard of living.

    In other words, I believe in working toward a Utopia. We will never achieve it, of course, but we have to keep trying.

    1. Pollution is bad. EVERYONE knows that (at least, in the U.S. and W. Europe), but creating a fiction, instead of using real science, is a perilous thing to do. There are LOTS of reasons to push for rational, strict, and enforceable environmental controls. (also, Pollution usually costs producers- it’s generally the result of inefficiency, and inefficiencies cost money before you even GET to the regulations.) The dividing line I think we have here, Cathy, is that, as I said, inventing or relying on a faith-based pseudoscience to justify it is a BAD. The ends do NOT justify the means. When you adopt the idea that the ends DO justify the means, the decision gets easier and easier with each new challenge, until your means become more damaging than the thing they were intended to prevent.

    History is filled with examples of this. The only policy that works in the long term, is the one that matches up to how things mechanically work-whether you’re talking about security policy, or science policy. It’s all well and good to want to reduce emissions and pursue alternative energy sources, it’s NOT well and good to do so because the boogeyman will get you.

    Faith and Deception are the jobs of Priests, not scientists, and policy based on faith and deception belongs in theocracy, not a Republic founded on Liberty.

    2.Abortion: we’re on the same page, (Roughly) here, Cathy. I’m of the view that it will be here regardless of what the Law says, so it’s maybe better to protect at least ONE life, rather than risking two. (ergo-I don’t like it, but it’s necessary that it be safe, and controlled to preserve the life of the mother. Dead people don’t learn very well from their mistakes.)

    3. Skepticism is Good. Absolute belief in ANYTHING is unhealthy. Sometimes mildly unhealthy (people who attend church and believe in the “Invisible Friend Jesus”)-about on the level of a couple beers after work, that. And MASSIVELY unhealthy (People who believe that they, and their victims, will go to heaven when the vest detonates.)
    It is important to prevent the STATE from endorsing ANY system that is faith-based and untestable, including Atheism, Socialism, Fascism, Marxism, or Religion. Barring the ability, therefore, to completely block competing ideals, it is a solid premise to force a public debate, a “Churn” if you will, that prevents any single view from achieving dominance via silencing its critics. (Evolution is an idea, not a fact, Creationism is an idea, not a fact, Intelligent Design is an idea, not a fact, the Ice Giant Ymir is an idea, not a fact…)
    Since we have better things to do with Education dollars in K-12 than having a years-long philosophical/religious debate, push it to the place students are ostensibly adult enough to make adult choices-make it an optional college class where those with sufficient intellectual curiousity and/or Religious certainty can confront one another without disrupting or eating resources from serious education in Science and Mathematics.

    This is, based on a reading of her quote, pretty darn close to Gov. Palin’s recommended approach.

    4. Too much of anything is unhealthy. The Lassaiz-Faire (I know I spelled it wrong) period of American Capitalism was a pretty bad time for workmen over-all. Just as the STate-Controlled enterprises of the Soviet Union were a disaster for workers, the environment, and the nation where it happened. A median must be sought between excessive control, and excessive corporate power. this is possible, but only in a nation where the populace who have the Sovereignty actually have enough intellectual grounding to make reasoned, practical, and pragmatic decisions informed by FACT, as opposed to FAITH.

    This goes back to my first point. Using fiction and bad science to hoodwink people into doing things for their own good undermines the ability of the People to govern themselves. It doesn’t help when such “Faith” is taught in schools. I have two teenage nieces, while they can neither one add dissimilar fractions, complete quadratic equations, identify the enemy in the First World War, or explain the carbon cycle, both are firmly indoctrinated into the Church of Global Warming.

    They can’t explain WHY they believe in it, only that a person-of-authority told them it was true.

    They are also unable to describe Mendel, and can’t describe the difference between Amphibian and Reptile, but they BELIEVE in Evolution.

    Because they were TOLD TO.

    My oldest opposes the war in Iraq. This is a laudable position…if she knew where Iraq was, what the history of the confict was, or even what she was opposing. She doesn’t, she can’t, she can’t defend it-but she follows because her friends and her Teachers tell her so.

    Is anyone surprised they attend a well-funded public high school?

    This condition is BAD. These are the people who will be making decisions at the voting booth next year.

  • crystal

    I guess McCain shocked alot of you. I am all for Palin she seems like she has a typical american family. Come on she admitted to smoking pot, and she did not even say that she didn’t inhale. She has a 17 year old pregnant daughter, a son who is getting ready to go to IRAQ and serve this country and 2 daughters she is juggling in school and a new born with down syndrome. How many people do you know that could juggle all this plus run a state and now get ready to run a country. Sarah Palin is a wonderful and amazing woman.

  • Cathy

    Cannonshop –

    Okay, you make interesting points and I cannot say that overall I feel you are wrong on these issues. Please give your input (and anyone else who have any thoughts on this) on a problem that everyone seems to overlook —

    ALL the politicians say that we need more and better education. This is true, but will not solve a basic problem which nobody wants to address. There is a difference in the intelligence and abilities of people. If you educate EVERYONE, people with an IQ (or whatever you want to replace the IQ test with if you don’t believe in it) of 102 or thereabouts and people with an IQ of 120 plus and everyone in between, the people with the higher intelligence are going to outperform and be awarded the well-paying jobs and promotions–no matter how hard the lower echelon people work. Which leaves them in jobs which they cannot live on (even if you put two low-paying jobs together it still doesn’t equal a comfortable living).

    I have to admit that if I was looking at a future of making $15,000-$16,000 a year with lousy benefits, crime might become appealing. And working two jobs just to survive? What fun! People need to believe they have a future and something to look forward to.

    Any ideas?

  • Rebecca Burt

    Let’s see…an ex-beauty pagent winner…with a undergraduate degree in jounalism…who does not believe in global warming…who does believe a woman should have no control over her own body and for 9 months should be viewed as nothing more than a baby container…who’s main attributes seem to be stubborness and vicious competiveness… who has had next to no experience in goverment…who has a currently very messy family situation given that she had recently given birth to a downs syndrome baby, has a 17 year old daughter who is unwed and pregnant and is facing investigation for using her political office to smear her ex-brother-in-law and get him fired (he is in a custody battle with her sister)…who seems to be in bed with big oil…who is running for VP…whose running mate is 72 and is a cancer survivor…who has no foreign policy background and in fact has only been out of the country twice…who may become President of the country I love at a time when it faces the most complex foreign policy issues, economic issues and domestic issues it has in decades…Why does this sound like a totally unbelievably bad novel???? I for one am terrified and can not understand what Mr. McCain was thinking!!!!

  • Kem

    Most people say that Sarah has more experience than Obama because she was the Governor of Alaska. You guys are so FUNNY!

    Please remember that our very own President Bush was quite experienced when he went to the White House. He was Governor of Texas – which is a HUGE state.

    So with his experience/skills with being the Governor of Texas, what has he contributed in the past 8 years – Not SQUAT…

    You guys kill me with this she has more experience – Please spare me!

    Governor of state / senate/ whatever – it’s all about who has screwed up this country in the past 8 years. And, let’s not forget about the parents who have lost loved ones in the military.

    I can’t see anything changing if another Republican gets back into the office. I would be willing to take a chance in moving to the Democratic side. ANYBODY or ANYTHING would be better than BUSH or any Republican right about now.

    VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN

  • christine mathieu

    Being a mother of five children with four of them under 18 does not qualify one for anything but child rearing and a part time career. There is nothing easier that pregnancy: every mammal on the planet can do it. The hard work comes with raising the kids and that requires time. I am a feminist: i believe women must be honored as workers, as artists, as professionals and perhaps above all else as mothers. I have raised two children and I know the time that child rearing requires. Who is going to get up at night for baby? The mommy or the nanny? Who is going to help with the school work? With the sports? The bedtime stories? Who is going to spend the time with the teenagers listening to their problems and their broken hearts? or will the nanny sit in the oval office? The Republicans have gone nuts with abortion fixation, and they call that family values!

  • Kem

    I second that Christine!

    Thanks for breaking that down. It is a MOTHER, not a NANNY who should be there at ALL TIMES for their kids. I only have two kids, and they are a FULL time responsibility. I can’t imagine having 5 kids and trying to run the country at the same time.

    Great blog!

  • MaryAnn

    Why doesn’t our country support a woman running for vice president. We have had many men who have wives and families but when it comes to Sara Palin we frown at her because she has 5 children. If you don’t think a woman could be vice president then I feel sad for you. I work full time, go to school full time and home school my daughter. I welcome the fact that she is bright and pretty. Quite frankly I don’t care if her daughter is pregnant. It just gives her another challenge which she will overcome. Good luck to her, it’s nice to see a strong woman running for office. Women are still the majority in this country and we still let men think they can do anthing when we have proven we do it everyday.

  • Kem

    So, are we now condoning teenage pregnancy? Sounds like a YES to me by hearing the response from delagates from the Republican convention about Palin’s 17 year old daughter…. What is this world coming to???…. McCain should have really taken that into consideration before picking Palin…

  • Kem

    What makes her a strong woman – having 5 kids???? Any woman can have 5 kids…..

  • Don

    If you think sara is not qualified, look at husan obama. 143 days in the senate, voted present 130 times, ties to terrorist and radical preachers for 20 years and reads from a telepromter. Give me a break, keep your change with your racist radical flip flopper! Oh and what the hell is a community organizer?

  • Jordan Richardson

    Any woman can have 5 kids…..

    Oh really?

    So, are we now condoning teenage pregnancy?

    Shit happens. What do you propose we do? Deny the fact that teenagers have sex and get pregnant?

    Sounds like a YES to me by hearing the response from delagates from the Republican convention about Palin’s 17 year old daughter…. What is this world coming to???

    I know, I know. The Republicans should advocate Puritanical Laws and set themselves apart from the majority of American families that go through this type of thing. That’s the ticket.

    The Republicans absolutely 100% need to stand behind Palin. I’m about as far from a right-winger as you can get and don’t have any dog in your country’s election, but if the Republicans throw Palin to the wolves over this, they’ll look even more outdated and arrogant than ever. There’s simply no good reason for them not to back this nomination and maybe it’s about time the Religious Right stopped having a say in American federal politics.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    ” McCain should have really taken that into consideration before picking Palin…”

    What more do you want? He talked to her twice before he decided on her!

    Miss (Karen Walker (Will & Grace)-lookalike) arch conservativette will now show her true colors. Does her daughter actually go through with marrying the teenaged father of the kid she’s having out of wedlock, or…

    … the “A” word?

    Which is more immoral
    A. Highschool sex out of wedlock

    B. Teenagers marrying

    C. Parents who obviously haven’t taught their children morals-even though they keep judging other’s

    or D. a teenaged abortion

    And what does the GOP convention do? Make McCain dump her and make another choice or…

    gasp

    refuse to admit he/they were wrong about her and let them make a fool of themselves on the campaign trail.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    … the Religious Right stopped having a say in American federal politics.

    AMEN-that’s why I stopped being a proud republican when Jerry Falwell bought and sold Ronald Reagan.

  • linda in nm

    Palin’s daughter is following in her footsteps. Palin was pregnant with Track when she eloped and now her daughter is following in her footsteps. When did conservative values change?

  • Jordan Richardson

    Probably around the time reality set in…

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Also McCain said he knew this when he picked her. I wonder if he thinks this will bring the ultra conservatives in line, since Mom is standing behind her daughter.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Un-fuckin-believable. The GOP spin doctors on CNN are screaming that this is a PRIVATE matter.

    Abortion and pregnancy out of wedlock are public matters in judging the qualifying judges and and political appointments.

    As we speak, one is saying that Palin being in charge of the Alaska national guard makes her more qualified to be Commander in Chief.

    She repeatedly asked him to name just one Command judgement she made as Governor that affected national politics. He hemmed and hawed but could not answer.

  • independent

    I appreciate a woman stepping up and wanting to be a heartbeat away from running our nation. However as Americans we must sit back here and think. I just found out her daughter is pregnant, yes the 17 year old. She is under investigation for her sister’s affairs with an exhusband and lastly her husband drinks & drive. I am a mother and member of MADD ( Mother’s Against Drunk Driving). They have lost my vote and Obama has gained it.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    What is the age of sexual consent in the USA?

  • http://thepinkflamingo.blogharbor.com/blog SJ Reidhead

    I love Democratic tolerance – and the way Democrats are so well informed. Todd Palin was arrested for DWI nearly 20 years ago. The fact that this has not occurred a 2nd time ought to thrill your little mad heart.

    Her husband does not drink and drive. He was busted for DWI and it has not happened again.

    There is a huge difference. He’s a poster child for MADD.

    She is under investigation for firing the Public Service Commissioner (which she has the right to do by Alaska law) who refused to fire an ex-brother in law who independent boards had recommended be fired. He drinks and drives, but because that plays into your anti-Palin spew that’s okay right?

    Sarah Palin was trying to take out a bad, abusive cop who not only threatened to kill her father, but drinks and drives. So, where’s your MADD ethics now?

    SJR
    The Pink Flamingo

  • troll

    …depends on the state Chris – in AK it’s 16

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    So it wasn’t statutory rape then? Just as well really.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    What is the age of sexual consent in the USA?

    It varies by state, but I guarantee that Bristol is over the age of consent for Alaska.

    People need to understand that in certain states, Alaska among them, people live a somewhat rougher lifestyle. More guns, more sex, more drinking and accordingly some tolerance for the occasional teen wedding and dwi.

    Dave

  • democrat 4 life

    I respect her as a woman. My thing is McCain is for the rich and gives the tax breaks to the rich. His wife is rich!!! This is to all you middle class people 11/04/08, VOTE!!!! I am a single parent 28 years old. I own my own house, 2 cars, and I have a degree in Business Management & Organizational Leadership. I live pay check to pay check. I can’t save because I am struggling to maintain my home. I travle to work which is 1 hour away from where I live. It cost me $120.00/ week to fill up on gas. When school started, I could not even affor to get my son the uniform clothes his school required. I prayed, I cried, and I aksed for strength. I am fairly young and educated, but before the Republicans took back office, I can remember being able to save $500/month. I probably make 45000/ year. I consider that as lower class because there is never enough money left over for leisure activities for my son or savings. I have student loans. I must truly say: I AM AFRAID IF OBAMA & BIDEN IS NOT IN OFFICE. I already know what life will be like for me and my family job loss, foreclosure, loss of the little health insurance that I have, for the first time in my life I will have to fall on the system and seek welfare. ARE THERE ANYONE OUT THERE LIKE ME? I AM THE AVERAGE EVERDAY AMERICAN WOMAN STRUGGLING AND PRAYING FOR CHANGE!!!! YES WE CAN.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Second thoughts – sex is legal at 16, joining the military maybe the same age, owning a weapon I dunno, but you have to be 21 to get a drink. Priorities?

  • http://www.lifelearning,org Lisa-Unschooling Mom

    I am a femimnist.I am not appalled at Sarah Palin wanting to be VP. I am not appalled ( wll maybe at bit) at her politics. I am appalled that she has made her 17 year old daughter a poster child for right wing values. I am appalled that she is not at home with her 4 month old downs baby.
    One of the best things for a Downs baby is breastmilk. Palin went back to work after 3 days. Would we have expected a man to quit- no. If that man was lactating and could pump breast milk so their baby could be healthier and raise it’s IQ significantly then yes.
    With a downs baby 5-10 IQ pints might mean the difference between speaking words or grunting. When you decide to have a baby then you make a choice to be the best parent you can be. Abandoning your 4 month old downs baby and your now pregnant teenage daughter for the campaign trail and thrusting her into spotlight is not good parenting and shows horrible judgement as well as hunger for ambition. I am disgusted.

  • http://thepinkflamingo.blogharbor.com/blog SJ Reidhead

    Dear Lisa #242;

    If you have been following Sarah Palin’s story you might realize that she takes Tig to work with her and has been breast feeding. There have been many comments about it by her supporters.

    As a feminist you should realize a woman can do anything she wants. The real problem is Sarah Palin is a Republican and you are not. There are two sets of rules in the world, one for Republicans and one for Democrats.

    She is caring for her son, taking him to work with her. That’s being a real feminist – a Republican feminist.

    Deal with it.

    SJR
    The Pink Flamingo

  • troll

    People need to understand that in certain states, Alaska among them, people live a somewhat rougher lifestyle. More guns, more sex, more drinking and accordingly some tolerance for the occasional teen wedding and dwi.

    ….damned relativists

  • independent

    This is for SRJ. Are you Sara Palin because it sound like you may know a little to much…

  • independent

    Maybe Sara Palin should run again Hillary Clinton. I still would not ovet her just like millions of more republicans and democrats won’t as well. Hillary wins!!!

  • independent

    i can’t spell ha! ha! ha!

  • Clavos

    Un-fuckin-believable. The GOP spin doctors on CNN are screaming that this is a PRIVATE matter.

    So did Obama, this afternoon, in a very classy comment.

    Guess he’s a “spin doctor” too, huh?

  • troll

    ……does a bear shit in Georgia – ?

  • Kem

    Hey Jordan,

    Thanks for taking the time for answering each and every one of my statements – you are an awesome person that seems to have quite a bit of time on your hands – no wonder you are a Republican!

    Thanks for making me realize that Palin’s daughter is simply just following in her mom’s footsteps – maybe she will have 8 kids by the time she’s her mom’s age.

    Although, it makes me wonder if Barack and Michelle Obama had the same amount of kids and their 17 year old daughter was pregnant and not married. Just interesting to know what YOU or any Republican would have to say about that…. Makes me say HMMMMM….

    For some Reason, I don’t think it would have been well received by Republicans. I could be wrong, but I’m usually RIGHT!!

    VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN

  • Okay

    Hey I just want to comment to all the people who are complimenting Sarah Palin on her strength and courage in having five kids and running for vice president.

    She is the governor of a state and he has five children, two who are now or near college age. One enlisted at 18 and is on his way to Iraq and the other is pregnant at 17. I guess somehow they did not get the message that there is a big, exciting future waiting for them.

    This is all very sad and I feel sorry for her children.

  • Clavos

    …but only in the woods troll…

    (still no commas – too many periods though – I picked that up from you)

  • Pam

    Wow! It is amazing how kind we are to each other.
    Well if you ask me Sarah Palin has a pretty normal family- kinda like the rest of us. I mean she has a pretty crazy past, a knocked up teenage daughter, a down syndrome child which is probably a pretty big challenge for the family, and some relatives that she doesn’t get along well with. Well what do we expect in our presidential or VP candiates? Perfection? I mean c’mon by now I think we all know that nobody has a perfect family- and we ALL have a past. So why are we bringing this into politics? Even though I have a lot of challenges and a pretty messed up family I can still focus on my job and do it well. I am sure Mrs. Palin can do the same. She has a pretty good track record when it comes to her “job.” I think McCain made a great choice- he picked an American who understands hardships… just like the rest of us!!!

  • Jordan Richardson

    Thanks for taking the time for answering each and every one of my statements – you are an awesome person that seems to have quite a bit of time on your hands – no wonder you are a Republican!

    I’m not a Republican. I live in Canada and have socialist tendencies. I also work from home as a freelance writer, hence the “time on my hands” bit.

    Although, it makes me wonder if Barack and Michelle Obama had the same amount of kids and their 17 year old daughter was pregnant and not married. Just interesting to know what YOU or any Republican would have to say about that…. Makes me say HMMMMM….

    I would say the same thing that my non-Republican ass says now: who fucking cares?

    For some Reason, I don’t think it would have been well received by Republicans. I could be wrong, but I’m usually RIGHT!!

    Quite excited about being RIGHT!! aren’t you? It most assuredly would not have been well-received by Republicans. They tend to do a fairly good job at sweeping their own dysfunction under the rug, but I think this is different. We’re talking about somebody’s kid here. Obama came out and said that family was off limits and I agree with him. While for some, the situation may reflect on Sarah Palin as a VP candidate, I don’t think it should. I think her policies and her credentials make for a much more compelling argument against her than anything to do with her unfortunately-named daughter and her situation.

    So yeah, Kem, vote for Obama/Biden. (My wife, incidentally, is still an American citizen and will be voting for Cynthia McKinney / Rosa Clemente). But the fact that you call yourself a Republican and are changing policies, parties, stances, and issues based on this nonsense is very telling as to the fickle attitude of the American voter.

    My wife votes Green because she believes in the party’s policies, I vote NDP up here in Canada because I do the same. I would NOT suddenly transfer my vote to another party because Jack Layton’s son smoked some pot or got arrested. It just doesn’t work the same way for us Canadians, I guess, and we can’t understand how it’s anybody’s business but theirs.

  • Miriam

    McCain’s selection just tells me that he is either senile or has a strange sense of humor. Sara Palin can’t keep order among her teenagers. How could she run the country if she were to become president?
    I am offended that McCain thinks we will all vote on gender and that the “disenfranchised” Hillary voters will support his ticket because he found a woman who governs a state with the population of Austin, TX (for the person who asked us to look at a map, remember just because Alaska’s big doesn’t mean it’s well populated). Sara Palin is NOT Hillary Clinton. She has no experience, is a prolife gun-toter who claims to support families and yet wants to take on the VP position with an infant with special needs. WTH? Stupid, stupid pick! I am pleased as punch that he picked her…for most of us, it will be a no-brainer. EIGHT IS ENOUGH!

  • Clavos

    it will be a no-brainer.

    Yep. I believe you…

  • Kem

    To Jordan –
    You are freelance writer. So, in other words, you DON’T HAVE A REAL JOB!

    And,you have got to be kidding me! I’m talking to someone who doesn’t even live in America!!!! What the FUCK????

    You can’t even vote in November. Have you ever been to the United States? Probably just Detroit, huh?

    Maybe you should bring your Canadian Ass here to the United States before you write about OUR politics and political figures. [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor]

    What in the hell is a Green party – people who smoke pot – because that’s what it sounds like you are smoking.

    In America, you are either Democrat or Republican. All of that other shit doesn’t matter. Stay your ass up there in Canada and vote for your damn Green party or NDP (whatever the hell that is). While your at it, write about your own damn Canada politics and political figures.

    Stay out of AMERICAN Business if you are NOT AMERICAN.

    Sorry about the cursing, but I find it very frustrating for a damn Canadian who probably has never lived a day in the United States to judge our politics – What is really going on!

    VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN

  • frogcatcher912

    Sarah Palin gave birth to a baby with Down’s Syndrome at the age of 44.

    Is anyone else appalled at this?

    The risk of giving birth to a baby with Down’s Syndrome is extremely high in women over 40 (and even higher when the father is also over 40).

    Sarah Palin “opposes the use of birth control pills and condoms even among married couples”.

    I am disgusted by this irresponsible behaviour. To give birth at age 44 to a baby with Down’s because you refuse to use birth control inexcusable. Ignoring the dangers that you expose yourself and your baby to by refusing to use birth control after 40 is negligent and careless. To believe that a woman like this has the opportunity to become Vice President of the United States of America in 2008 makes me ill.

    Does anyone else share this opinion?

  • Jason

    Are you all nuts? This woman is a crack head. If McCain was to win the election and die in the White House, this gal would try to bring the county back to where we were 50 years ago. And no, its not a woman thing. There are many other republican woman with WAY more experience who would have made a much better choice. She was chosen to appeal to religious nut jobs and possibly steal a few Hillary supporters. We do not need someone who hates gays, opposes birth control, and denies global warming. Not to mention she opposes abortion even in cases of rape and incest. That’s just wrong. Get a grip people… she is so not what this country needs.

    I’m not saying Obama is the best, but jeez…I am more qualified that she is with a Masters degree and a management job at a major University.

    I will say…she is kind of cute. That’s probably how she got elected in Alaska.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Kem, people from all countries and backgrounds are allowed to comment on whatever they choose. Your idiotic rant doesn’t deserve more of a response than that.

  • Bill

    I am ProChoice. I fully respect the right of a woman to choose. However, if a woman is not willing to consider abortion, it is incredibly selfish of her to allow herself to get pregnant at 43. Gov. Palin, if she does not believe in abortion or contraception, could practice abstinence – something she advocates for young people! No thanks, I don’t want someone so selfish and with such poor judgement just a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

  • tony

    i beleive in the old bible days and the governors daughter should be feed over to the lions den or hanged. there is no excuse in getting pregnant at age 17 without being married period. what is the world coming too. first off, mccain should have never picked a women as his running mate. women are not equal to men, and god almighty says so. mccain is basically handing the election over to obama at this point. sarah palin is not even equalified to be a elemenary school teacher how the heck can she run the white house if an emergency happened. amaerica is in big trouble, and the end is coming for america and the rest of the planet in.

  • Joyce of Akron

    I mean really. Youre joking, right? There are a lot of female go-getters in politics. And I would probably label them mavericks [whatever that means]. But I would in no way say that makes them all presidential material.

    She holds a B.A. in journalism w/a Minor in politics. She was city counselwoman and mayor of a town of 5400 and and governor for LESS than 2 years of a state with a population equivalent to Columbus OH. She has no knowledge or experience in dealing with the urban problems of mainland America. She has no policy on crime, the environment or education. She has no foreign policy experience.

    I am a Obama supporter, but I am still insulted that the Republicans felt this soccer mom was more qualified than Romney? Huckabee? Even Jeb Bush?

    McCain chose a woman to woo Hillary intelligence of every woman voter in this country. And if this is an example of his judgment, then 4 more years here we come.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    You’re right, Frog. We should just kill people who have Down’s syndrome. Hell and kill their mothers too. Make society better for everyone.

    Dave

  • Okay

    Let’s throw the husband into the mix. Her explanation is that she has a supportive husband and family.

    This father has won some “iron man” contest four years running with four kids and a working wife. It is so nice that they both felt free to pursue their own endeavors–but how much time did he spend training while holding down a full-time job?

    Who was minding the children? Sounds to me like no one was.

  • Clavos

    As Obama so elegantly said yesterday, the Palin’s private family life is just that: PRIVATE, especially the lives of their kids.

    Bristol Palin isn’t the VP candidate, her mother is.

    As Obama asked you to, leave the kids alone.

    Creeps.

  • troll

    …Clavos – MS Palin chose to put her family in the headlights

    worse than the sensationalist ‘personal attacks’ going on would be a gentleman’s agreement to suppress inquiry and reporting

  • Clavos

    troll–she made the announcement so as to clear the air the creeps had already fouled with their speculations about Trig actually being her daughter’s kid–she was forced into it

    (certified comma free comment)

  • troll

    her choice to expose her family to intense scrutiny nationally was made when she threw her coiffure into the mix (whereupon McCain said – ‘here…take a look at the compelling personal story that this woman presents’)

    can’t have it both ways

  • Clavos

    No.

    See that’s exactly what Obama meant in his statement–running for office shouldn’t be construed as permission to make your family fair game for intense public scrutiny.

    The family aren’t candidates.

    Her “personal story” yes–the family’s no.

    This is one of the principal reasons why we don’t get the best people in the country offering themselves as candidates for public office.

  • troll

    sitting here in uffish (sp?) thought…

    and I thought you something of a realist

    if this apple didn’t fall far from the tree doesn’t that say something about the candidate’s character – ?

    ….strike that

    we simply disagree…imo a pols family is part of his personal story and for better or worse will be examined by the voters who will then accept or reject

    I don’t yearn for the fictions of Camelot and the Edwardian candidates that come with that shit

  • okay

    We are being given the facts about her family and to me her and her husband’s personal choices have been terrible and the results are reflecting this bad judgement.

    Should we leave her children alone? Absolutely. Should we use her judgement (and McCain’s judgement in choosing her) in our decisions? Absolutely.

  • Jordan Richardson

    if this apple didn’t fall far from the tree doesn’t that say something about the candidate’s character

    Not necessarily.

    I think this notion closely relates to the American (and largely Western) public’s need to know everything about their public figures. We want to know about the children of celebrities and politicians because we feel one’s child is a reflection on one’s self, but that isn’t always the case. Sometimes children just end up “bad” or different, regardless of how they were raised. My wife is a completely different animal when compared to her sister, for instance.

    In the case of Palin, she’s got a lot of kids. They seem like good kids, too, and yet the spotlight goes towards one of them who had the audacity to have sex before being married. Honestly, if that’s the worst the public can do here, I think it’s time to pack up the tents and head back to reality.

    I’m reminded of the time a former pastor’s daughter got pregnant at 16 before she was married. Because the congregation thought it was their business, she was made to stand up in front of the church and apologize for her “wrongdoing.” Needless to say, my family and I left that church (and I left all churches) about ten seconds after that shameless moment. Most people felt the same way as we did. The congregation, like the general public in America, felt a sense of “ownership” towards the pastor AND his family. Their private matters were not private because he had chosen to serve the community, according to the heartless congregation. The pastor’s credentials, his messages, and his words no longer mattered. It was ALL about his daughter and a “mistake” she had made.

    The same thing is happening here and it is just as heartless and, as it was involving my former pastor, just as irrelevant. I think it’s time for people to pack up their tents and move on.

  • Jordan Richardson

    We are being given the facts about her family and to me her and her husband’s personal choices have been terrible and the results are reflecting this bad judgement.

    Name one of her and her husband’s personal choices that have been “terrible.” I’m seriously curious.

  • okay

    Four kids, working wife with a demanding career (at least for the last 3-4 years). He has won the iron dog competition four years running and it looks like he competes every year. This is a very time-consuming hobby.

    It is impossible is this scenario for the kids to have received the proper parental attention. I don’t care how full of energy the parents are.
    Anybody else out there with four kids want to comment on how this would be possible? I don’t care how full of energy the parents are.

    Do you have any kids?

  • Jordan Richardson

    That’s speculation. I asked you to name personal choices that Palin and her husband made that were, in your words, “terrible.”

    And again, I have countless other reasons to believe that Sarah Palin isn’t qualified as veep. But I don’t believe their family business should factor in at all and how they run their household is none of anyone’s fucking business.

  • troll

    Palin has supported policies that some might find similar to that congregation’s response

    it’s not wise to ignore the collective consciousness of the public…even if it is that of a fishmonger’s wife

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Jordan – how about living in Alaska? 😉

  • Jordan Richardson

    Palin has supported policies that some might find similar to that congregation’s response

    Those policies are terrible in and of themselves. We don’t need to shame her daughter to prove that point. And we don’t need to bring her family into the fray to prove that Palin’s an idiot.

    how about living in Alaska?

    First sensible thing I’ve read all day, Chris. :)

  • troll

    she did not need to put her family in the position to be ridiculed

    …Alaska – an odd society living in the dark so much – shooting pool for $100 a ball and a fascination with ‘popping lugies’ – but you won’t find more spectacular scenery

  • Jordan Richardson

    she did not need to put her family in the position to be ridiculed

    I’m not sure I follow your reasoning here. How exactly did she “put her family in the position to be ridiculed?” By running for office? Or…?

  • okay

    Oh, very nice, resort to expletives. Impressive. I am not using speculation. People with families can use the FACTS and their own knowledge of life and make their own decisions on the adult Palins’ judgement.

  • troll

    …timing is everything

    her family would (hopefully) have been in a better position to handle the press in 8 years when she could have made a run at the glass ceiling

  • Jordan Richardson

    It is ENTIRELY speculation and you know it. Why can’t you answer the actual tangible question with facts of your own? You can defer to others with four or more kids and get a myriad of answers. Hell, I can do that within my own extended family, as I’ve got a damn huge one (please don’t take that “expletive” as me “resorting” to anything, btw).

    One cousin of mine has five kids (aged 4-14). She and her husband do quite well, both have FULL-TIME jobs and both manage to juggle it with energy to spare. They serve full-time in their church and are able to balance a more active social life than most.

    On the contrary, another cousin has four kids, roughly the same ages, and are nervous wrecks on a consistent basis. They try and fail to work full-time jobs, resorting to a host of babysitters and parental favours to get things done.

    Conversely, some people with one child can’t manage. And some people with NO children have difficulty balancing their personal budgets.

    There is NO way you can answer the charge on Palin’s judgment in any concrete way without resorting to how things either should be, or how you think they might be, or how you think they will be. But her family and how she chooses to deal with it bears NO reflection on her politics.

    Her politics, I repeat, are bad enough on their own and, coupled with her inexperience (I don’t support Obama, so don’t start), make her a terrible candidate for VP. But a pregnant daughter, five kids, six snow dogs, ten rabbits with elephant ears, a restaurant, a pill-popping grandmother, a son in the military, a house filled to the brim with weed, a horse in the backyard that farts military-grade plutonium, etc. do NOT make her a bad candidate for VP. Her policies and relevant history do.

    What’s next? Somebody finds out Obama’s kid flunked out of preschool and uses that as a weapon against his policies towards good education?

  • Jordan Richardson

    her family would (hopefully) have been in a better position to handle the press in 8 years when she could have made a run at the glass ceiling

    Pfft. There’s no “perfect time” to run. With this in her history, she stands no chance with the merciless pop-culture sex-obsessed corporate media. It doesn’t matter if she runs now or runs in 8 years, this whole “pregnant daughter” bullshit will ALWAYS be a skeleton in her closet.

  • troll

    …if she stands no chance then what is she doing exposing her family like this

    bad judgement

  • troll

    …..would someone like to buy an ‘e’ – ?

  • Jordan Richardson

    I see what you’re saying. The problem doesn’t lie with a rabid press or a scandal-hungry populace. It lies with the candidate for having the audacity to run for office with normal family dynamics behind her.

    Was it also Bill Clinton’s fault for heading into office with Chelsea in the White House? After all, John McCain called her “ugly” and made that Janet Reno comment. I suppose that was all Bill’s fault and not McCain’s. Bill exercised bad judgment by heading into the public fray with, horror of horrors, a daughter.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    I wonder, a career in politics is pretty much the only job where people bring their kids to their place of work.

    Doesn’t that mean that the family members are in the public domain and fair game for public discussion and debate?

    Maybe politicians shouldn’t be so willing to put their families forward that way if they then want to keep their private lives private?

  • okay

    Jordan –

    I repeat, do you have any children?

    You are right on one thing, there is enough to bury her on the political platform front. If her party had stayed on those issues her family would not be so much in the news. McCain and Palin CHOSE to present her family and the situation as something to be admired

  • Jordan Richardson

    Doesn’t that mean that the family members are in the public domain and fair game for public discussion and debate?

    No?

    If family members aren’t serving in public office, how are they public domain? Does that mean we have the right to know about the private lives of the servants in the White House and perhaps learn about the sexual habits of the pets that roam the lawn?

    This is all pretty foreign to me. I guess we do things differently up here, but I can’t fathom how any of this is anyone’s business. We don’t typically have PM sex scandals that cost them the leadership because most of us can’t be bothered to care who our leaders are diddling.

    We know that they’re fucking us, so their bedroom habits don’t matter much.

  • Jordan Richardson

    I repeat, do you have any children?

    Nope. Relevance?

    Bear in mind that I’m not saying she can or can’t run for office with her family in the “condition” it’s in. I want you to be clear as to my position before you begin to run with whatever satisfaction my childlessness brings you.

    I believe that this is none of our business. Period. If Sarah Palin’s daughter is pregnant, I don’t care. If she has 11254353 kids, I don’t care. If she thinks she can run for office, let her. She’s free to do what she wants and we’re all free to speculate all we want, too. But I just think it would be nice if we’d actually vote on policies and issues instead of soap opera backstories and Oprah-esque moralizing.

  • Clavos

    Jordan – how about living in Alaska? 😉

    Not a “choice” – they were all born there.

  • okay

    Jordan –
    My question is relevant only for one reason. If you had children you MIGHT understand why many parents find the attempt to hold Sarah Palin up as a shining example of feminist/family values/motherhood offensive.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Jordan, I’m just suggesting that if Palin wanted to keep her private life private and her family out of her career, she (and other politicians too) shouldn’t be parading them in public. Surely once that happens they are fair game for public discussion?

    It just seems symptomatic of the poor state of contemporary (in this case US) politics.

    As to your other points, yes, the media are pretty rabid and the public pretty scandal hungry, but those are pretty big issues in their own right that would need many, many years of hard work to change. In other words, I guess we’re kind of stuck with it for now.

    Clavos, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t there a difference between being born somewhere and choosing to live there? If I was born in Alaska, I’d be heading your way as soon as possible!

  • troll

    (Chelsea’s looks as a youngster and the comments made by opponents helped with the sympathy vote which got Bill elected)

    and if you want to look at it that way:

    the bizarre ‘vetting’ could serve a function …Clinton’s bones were used to castrate his administration and it can be argued led to September 11

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    All of a sudden we’re supposed to really care if the canadians think our choices are qualified…is Canada even qualified to be a country? It really is nice you have an opinion…what’s that old saying about opinions? yeah, most of ’em sure do stink!

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Now then Andy, be nice to the neighbours!

  • Jordan Richardson

    If you had children you MIGHT understand why many parents find the attempt to hold Sarah Palin up as a shining example of feminist/family values/motherhood offensive.

    I don’t have to have kids to find that offensive, my friend. Again, however, I have to urge that I find the policies themselves to be offensive. The actions of her daughter or how many kids she herself has doesn’t really weigh in as far as that goes. Beyond which, her “keeping of the baby” is certainly supportive of her pro-life stance and she is actively representing the oddball ethics she claims to endorse. So it’s not as though she’s inconsistent. In fact, it’s quite the contrary.

    It just seems symptomatic of the poor state of contemporary (in this case US) politics.

    This I agree with.

    Troll, agreed.

    All of a sudden we’re supposed to really care if the canadians think our choices are qualified…is Canada even qualified to be a country? It really is nice you have an opinion…what’s that old saying about opinions? yeah, most of ’em sure do stink!

    Thanks for chiming in, Andy. Oddly enough, the discussion seemed to be going along just fine without your “input.” If there’s a rule at Blogcritics that prevents “non-Americans” from discussing politics, let me know. I’m sure I’m not the only one that ought to be barred from offering opinions.

    Besides, if your country forces me to sit through endless American “election coverage” on the CBC, you can bet I’m going to have something to say about it. Fuck, at this rate, our election is going to be over before yours.

  • Jordan Richardson

    It’s all good, Chris. Andy’s still pissed about the AC.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “If family members aren’t serving in public office, how are they public domain?”

    If the family is going to be living on the public’s dime, people do have a right to know about them. Kids should be off limits, but plenty see an issue in teenage pregnancy, which is how the McCain campaign wanted it.

    There are smart people working over there, and I have yet to hear they didn’t know about Sarah’s daughter. They knew what they were getting, and they gambled to keep the press distracted from crowing over Obama’s speech. Seems to be a good move so far, but like everything November will tell the tale.

  • Clavos

    There’s something wrong with Andy’s air conditioner? In September, in Virginia?

    No wonder he’s pissed…:>)

    Chris,

    A fair point, but it is a natural tendency for many (if not most) people to stay near their birthplaces (I did, until adulthood).

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Politician’s private lives become public, when they themselves attempt to legislate the public’s morality.

    When they force their right-wing morals on the public on subjects such as sensorship of literature, Abortion, gay rights/marriage, what a hetro or homosexual couple can do in the privacy of their own bedrooms (outdated sodomy laws), you’re damned right their private lives become public.

    Palin presumes to judge people by their private morals, therefore we have the right to judge her ability to instill those same morals on her children, and use the same judgement on her.

    Turnabout is fair play.

  • Jordan Richardson

    There is a significant difference between criticizing Palin’s decisions in her personal life and using Palin’s daughter to do so.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    If she can judge other’s abilities to raise children to a lofty moral code, that it’s fair to judge her’s the same way.

    Let she who has not sinned throw the first stone.

  • Clavos

    Palin presumes to judge people by their private morals…

    False.

    Palin presumes to set those private morals for herself, not for others, as her record clearly shows.

    One excellent example: She does not agree with the concept of gay marriage. However, as Governor, she stopped the Alaska government from taking partner benefits away from gay couples.

    She keeps her private principles separate from her political life. The public should, as Obama said, afford her the same distinction, keeping her family out of the political arena.

  • Jordan Richardson

    So basically the cycle goes on forever. Well, you guys have fun with that! I bet it works out just as well as it always does.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    When she steps up to a podium and declares proudly that her born-again evangelical morals should be a template to be legislated into law, and McCain raises her up to stand beside him because the right-wing will follow her into heaven, you’re damned right her private life becomes moral.

    The word is hypocrit-and that’s what she is for spouting one moral code of child rearing for others, and doesn’t follow it herself.

    It’s like Chenney mouthing off against homoSEXuals, and how bad parenting is to blame bacause it’s a “choice”… then it comes to light that his daughter’s a lesbian.

    Clavos I’m more and more astounded at your arogance, but I gotta tell you something. I can see right up your nose, because you’ve got it up in the air so high, and it’s gross man. really gross.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    There’s something wrong with Andy’s air conditioner? In September, in Virginia?

    No wonder he’s pissed…:>)

    Clav, I have a feeling Jordan may be referring to the Atlantic Conference‘s less than splendid showing in the opening weekend of the college football season.

    But of course you knew that…!

  • Jordan Richardson

    It’s no small wonder that the political process in America remains one of the most convoluted and disgustingly entertaining ones in the entire world.

    The mud-slinging and the dirty politics is pervasive and, if the comments section is any indication, the general public shows absolutely no desire to actually rise above the fodder provided by the media and dig into the actual issues. The public is content to merely take the bait given to them and discuss, disturbingly, the myriad of social and “moral” issues surrounding these campaigns complete with fingers pointed and mouths open madly.

    There is no attempt to rise above the garbage dump of the media-fed “process.”

    So steeped in bitterness and anger are many people that I fear ANY election under such circumstances would be terrible. There are voters who were Republican but now, with the news of Palin’s daughter’s pregnancy, are no longer Republican. There are Hillary Clinton supporters who no longer support her party because they’re angry she’s not the nominee. And there’s a host of other voters and situations like these. The process, fuelled by media interests and “special interest stories,” is so infused with anger and emotion that it’s no wonder America went through eight years of Bush.

    Look, American voters will croak and moan about Sarah Palin’s “morality” for quite a while. They’ll take great joy in her family’s situation because, shit, it’s all a game. It’s all politics. These aren’t real people, after all. They function to serve us and to, yes, entertain us. And when you reduce the human experience to a combination of finger-pointing and camera-flashing, it’s no small wonder the public discourse suffers.

    When there’s no effort to “rise above it all,” it’s no wonder the process continues to stink like my Canadian opinion. When every aspect of a person’s life and every single possible person that a candidate might ever have been in contact with is a political issue because of the public’s “right to know,” it’s no wonder that nothing actually changes.

    To Obama’s credit, he seems to realize what the majority of the public doesn’t: family is off-limits. That’s a classy move. While Sarah Palin’s daughter may well be proud of her mother and may even be excited at the possibility of her mom being the veep, she didn’t ask for the country’s attention to be on her. Even if her mother and her mother’s political party did, Bristol didn’t. Bristol didn’t do anything wrong, and for American voters to suddenly concoct reasons and rationale as to how Sarah is a terrible mother or how she can’t handle her family or how pregnancy outside of wedlock is shameful is simply astonishing in its hypocrisy.

    From where I sit, you don’t combat hypocrisy with more of it. You don’t stop the cycle of dirty politics by contributing to it. You don’t have a compassionate political system when you aren’t willing to ensure that your politicans are compassionate and that the process remains ethical and just. Mud-slinging won’t ensure that, piling more insults on top of insults won’t ensure that, and bland moralizing won’t either.

    That old crappy saying, “two wrongs don’t make a right,” certainly applies here. But what the fuck…nobody’s listening anyway.

  • Cannonshop

    Cannonshop –

    Okay, you make interesting points and I cannot say that overall I feel you are wrong on these issues. Please give your input (and anyone else who have any thoughts on this) on a problem that everyone seems to overlook —

    ALL the politicians say that we need more and better education. This is true, but will not solve a basic problem which nobody wants to address. There is a difference in the intelligence and abilities of people. If you educate EVERYONE, people with an IQ (or whatever you want to replace the IQ test with if you don’t believe in it) of 102 or thereabouts and people with an IQ of 120 plus and everyone in between, the people with the higher intelligence are going to outperform and be awarded the well-paying jobs and promotions–no matter how hard the lower echelon people work. Which leaves them in jobs which they cannot live on (even if you put two low-paying jobs together it still doesn’t equal a comfortable living).

    I have to admit that if I was looking at a future of making $15,000-$16,000 a year with lousy benefits, crime might become appealing. And working two jobs just to survive? What fun! People need to believe they have a future and something to look forward to.

    Any ideas?

    It’s a tough one. I know that I lack the level of ability to be a CEO, not to mention the interests to be a lawyer. Instead, I’m looking at going on strike pretty soon as a mechanic. (and yes, I’ll go on strike if it’s voted in-I joined the Union, I knew what I was in for when I did.)

    The only thing I can really offer, is this: People need to have the freedom to fail, and the responsibility to be accountable for those failures. There are exceptions-the Mentally Handicapped, for instance, or those with physical disabilities that prevent them from having the same ability to succeed that they maybe would have if they were completely healthy, but I’ve seen people of average, even low-average, intelligence who are successful without external help.

    It’s all a matter of how you measure success. My parents were happy enough that I didn’t end up a junkie or a criminal. Schools can’t do what the Parents won’t. It’s not somethin we can solve with systematic adjustments, because the problem isn’t one that the System can address. The best it can manage, is to provide the entire educational toolkit, and hope the students find tools they can use.

    The root tools, in my humble opinion, consist of three basics:

    1. Reading. If you can’t read, you’re screwed.

    2. Mathematics. Mathematics is the core of logic, logic is useful for making rational decisions with a high probability of being good decisions.
    3. the Scientific Method. The whole method, this is again good for providing that ‘critical thinking’ thing. Most of people’s financial lack of success comes from weak critical thinking. (For instance, the gal who spends her fixed income on Lotto tickets instead of food or rent.)

    Dammit, should have said four.

    4. History/Civics. Teach the kids what the Constitution says, teach them how elections work, what the levels of government are able to do, what their rights REALLY are.

    There will ALWAYS be dishonest people (criminals) whether they’re multimillion dollar CEO’s, or a guy holding up a gas-station. Ken Lay is (was) every bit as much a crook, as the guy who knocks over a gas-station with a .45, (the main difference being that Ken Lay’s Enron scam hurt hundereds of thousands of people, the gas-station guy? maybe one family.)

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    It’s like Chenney mouthing off against homoSEXuals, and how bad parenting is to blame bacause it’s a “choice”… then it comes to light that his daughter’s a lesbian.

    Jet, loath as I am to side with ‘Darth’ on anything, when has he made such statements?

    The Cheneys publicly accept and support their daughter and he has stated that he opposes the Federal Marriage Amendment.

    He seems to have been honorably consistent on this issue.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Oh god, now I’ll have to google something…

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Doc, after a little research, I find I was in error that Cheney was in lock-step with Bush’s enthusiastic opposition to any gay rights.

    I like admitting I’m wrong on occasion, because it means I’ve learned something I didn’t know before.

    That doesn’t change my view of Palin’s spouting off proudly about her right wing evangelical connections (which is why McCain panicked and picked her)

  • okay

    Jordan –

    I don’t take joy in Sarah Palin’s family difficulties. I wish they had never tried to use her family to manipulate public opinion. But, as you said, many people don’t pay attention to the issues. There is no competency test to vote.

    If the campaign chooses a candidate and attempts to make her doubly appealing due to her personal story, the personal story is open to scrutiny. How else do you combat uninformed people being influenced by red herrings?

  • okay

    Sorry–I also wanted to say McCain’s personal pull is being a POW, Barack’s personal pull is African American, no father, makes good. Sarah Palin’s personal pull was presented as her beautiful family (they are beautiful, too) and how amazing she is to pull everything off.

  • Clavos

    When she steps up to a podium and declares proudly that her born-again evangelical morals should be a template to be legislated into law,

    Something she has NEVER said.

    Stop lying, Jet.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    From the Washington times Clavos…

    As a politician, Palin has sided with the majority evangelical view in opposing gay marriage and expressing a desire to see creationism discussed alongside evolution in schools.

    During a 2006 debate, she said she was a proponent of teaching both evolution and creationism in schools. She {got down off the podium} and later clarified her stance in an interview with the Anchorage Daily News, saying that she doesn’t think creationism needed to be part of the curriculum and that she would not push the state Board of Education to add such alternatives to the state’s required curriculum.

    Not only does Palin oppose abortion as a matter of policy, but she chose to give birth to her youngest child, a son, after a prenatal exam indicated Down syndrome. Studies show that about nine in 10 pregnant women who are given a Down syndrome diagnosis have chosen to have an abortion.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Jet,

    “She {got down off the podium} and later clarified her stance in an interview with the Anchorage Daily News, saying that she doesn’t think creationism needed to be part of the curriculum and that she would not push the state Board of Education to add such alternatives to the state’s required curriculum.”

    ?

    Also, I’m curious as to what “studies” those are that claim “9 out of 10 women” make such a decision. Is the author of the piece seriously so inhumane as to suggest Palin’s now-living child should have been aborted?

  • Baronius

    Wow, Jet, you don’t see the difference, do you? There’s a difference between supporting policies based on your moral code and insisting that your moral code be the deciding factor for all policies.

  • Jordan Richardson

    #315, 316:

    I agree that her family shouldn’t have been made a campaign issue by anyone, including her own party. It is shameful and, as I said, I don’t think her daughter asked for the attention. While I agree theoretically with the notion that turnabout is fair play, I agree more with the notion of rising above garbage politics. It shouldn’t be an issue for either side of the aisle. Period.

    The public can resist these red herrings and choose, instead, to focus on the issues and policies that comprise these very different but horribly alike political parties. But if the public continues to obsess over the dirt, the discourse and political process in America will remain stagnant.

  • Clavos

    When she steps up to a podium and declares proudly that her born-again evangelical morals should be a template to be legislated into law (emphasis added)

    One more time: she has never said anything about her beliefs being “legislated into law.”

    Again, stop lying.

  • Jordan Richardson

    You’re a bold one, aren’t you Clav?

  • Clavos

    You noticed that, huh Jordan?

    Normally, I try to hide my light under a bushel…

    Of what, I don’t know.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Cute-I post part of a Washington article showing she did make such statements, and it was deleted?

  • Jordan Richardson

    Well I’m glad you’ve decided to let it shine, my friend. :)

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    someone needs to add a to Clavo’s 322

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I thought about going in and fixing Clav’s coding sod-up, but the ensuing exchange of comments is just too much fun.

  • independent

    I respect that her family should not be dragged through this election with her. However I just want to say I am totally against McCain. McCain will take us through another 4 years, People wake up & think about life in the last 8 years that we had. It has been hard for my family and my neighbors, and friends. Guess what we are all voting Obama!!

  • Alaskasourdough

    Behind that sweet smile of Alaska Gov Sarah Palin she has had to deal with the Russian “Bear Bombers” flying over her state border several times a month, with her hand on the “red” phone. She commands the U.S. Coast Guard rescue missions in the treacherous Bristol Bay and Bearing Sea for crab boat rescue missions. She has to deal with corrupt Alaska government legislators who tried to fill their own pocket first, she challenged big oil by increased taxes on their windfall profits, she has fought corruption within her own party to the point of getting the Frank Murkowski appointed Alaska AG to resign for his corruption, and now to deal with the problems of the American family – teenage pregnancy, and pro-life issues with her own Down-syndrowne baby. She has had more “executive experience” from local mom to state governor executive to national and foreign strategic policy, than any other single governor in the last twenty years! Plus she has continued the historical strides of Hillary Clinton to gain women voters. John McCain is taking the easy way out for himself and for you and me – the American people, by appointing Alaska Gov Sarah Palin for his VP nomination. Thank you John McCain, history will acknowledge your bold and wise choice!

  • Kem

    Well, Sen. Joe Lieberman – what a traitor! His words had no validation to me. I am almost certain that the Republicans have paid him off!

    But, that’s what Republicans are good for – paying off the poor to kiss their asses!

    VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN

  • Pablo

    The funniest thing that I have seen in months was at the RNC tonight. It only lasted a few minutes unfortunately. Hundreds of squares attempting to act hip, and dance to Johnny B Goode. Talk abour right angles trying to be curved. It was hilarious.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Unfortunately the people they represent adore, worship and follow them Pablo

  • http://rawdawgb.blogspot.com rawdawgbuffalo

    maybe im wrong but the GOP or the DEMS talk about the economy in real life terms, we just had another bank to fail. That’s makes 10
    its about my pocket – im sorry
    and sarah got a gun LOL

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Pablo, trust me on this; ANYBODY dancing to Johnny B Goode in 2008 is not even remotely hip!

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    An undoubtedly they probably need a hip replacement!

  • http://www.elitebloggers.com Dave Nalle

    Doc, after a little research, I find I was in error that Cheney was in lock-step with Bush’s enthusiastic opposition to any gay rights.

    That would be ‘Bush’s enthusiastic opposition to any gay rights’ defined as supporting civil unions and equal rights for gays, right?

    In a 2004 interview with Charlie Gibson, Bush said that he did not support the GOP platform of that year and that “I don’t think we should deny people rights to a civil union, a legal arrangement, if that’s when a state chooses to do so.”

    Cute-I post part of a Washington article showing she did make such statements, and it was deleted?

    That seems improbable, Jet. Post it again.

    Dave

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    I originally found this somewhere else, but couldn’t remember where…

    This is part of the international herald tribune from apparently the same writer. At one point while she’s on the podium she says one thing and then “spins” it differently for the press…

    As a politician, Palin has sided with the majority evangelical view in opposing gay marriage and expressing a desire to see creationism discussed alongside evolution in schools.

    During a 2006 debate, she said she was a proponent of teaching both evolution and creationism in schools. She later clarified her stance in an interview with the Anchorage Daily News, saying that she doesn’t think creationism needed to be part of the curriculum and that she would not push the state Board of Education to add such alternatives to the state’s required curriculum.

    Not only does Palin oppose abortion as a matter of policy, but she chose to give birth to her youngest child, a son, after a prenatal exam indicated Down syndrome. Studies show that about nine in 10 pregnant women who are given a Down syndrome diagnosis have chosen to have an abortion.

    “That will resonate in a big way,” said Quin Monson, a Brigham Young University professor who studies religion and politics.

    Focus on the Family founder James Dobson, who initially said he could not vote for McCain but has since opened the door to an endorsement, called Palin “an outstanding choice that should be extremely reassuring to the conservative base” of the GOP. Dobson added that the ticket “gives us confidence he will keep his pledges to voters regarding the kinds of justices he would nominate to the Supreme Court.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Apparently Dave it vanished while a missing closing bold was being added to something Clavos had put in, then reappeared again later.

    I was wrong, it wasn’t deleted as evidensed above… It just went temporarily missing while I just happened to be looking for it at the same time… my bad.

    However

    I will say this Dave, this website is becoming a little unfair when the usual right-wing lynchmob attacks every opinion even remotely center or left of center with vigor, insults, and enthusiasm. And anyone that protests this apparent new policy is belittled as a whiner and poor baby.

    In the end BC’s bound to lose readers…

    I believe I compared this website to an AM radio station that had air time to fill between Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck, which they will consider a compliment, though it isn’t

  • Cannonshop

    Um…”Lynchmob”? (I don’t think I’ve attacked a single person…)

    Jet, dude…chill out. Nothing we say here is going to have a damn thing to do with what happens on election day.

    That said…

    Lisa Solod Warren seems to handle counterargument pretty well, Cathy seems to handle it pretty well. There are other Liberals who don’t seem nearly as defeated as you do in Blogcritics, many of them have, frankly, done a damn good job presenting their side of the argument… a damn sight better than just hauling off with stereotypes, or falling into ‘oh woe is me’ attitudes. (Sadly, none, as yet, have answered the ten question challenge.)

    Take heart, Jet, your side Is winning in the polls.

  • http://hillblogger3.blogspot.com HILLBLOGGER

    Not enough to be gun toting mom to qualify for an incredibly important post. From all accounts, Mrs Palin has not been properly vetted by her own party!

    Assuming she wins with McCain, it is safe to say that she might land in the White House if not so-young, 73-yr old McCain decides to kick the bucket. In that respect, it is Sen Joe Biden’s responsibility to vet her thoroughly before Americans go to vote. Let the debates begin!.

    She must allow Sen Biden to ask her tough, no-holds-barred but important questions on foreign policy, the global economy, the environment as well as war and peace, the Palestinian and Israel question, the Iran issue, the Caucasus problem; she must explain how she intends to deal with the Afghanistan problem; how she intends to hunt down Osama bin Laden and wipe out the Al Qaeda; she must explain her stand on all these questions and a lot more.

    And when under intense scrutiny or during the “vetting” process by/debates with Biden, Palin, who styles herself as a shooter from the hip must not remotely play it coy by bringing up the female/woman/mommy card …

    Sarah Palin wants to be seen as a gun toting mom- VP with one foot in the White House? Then, let’s see how well she reacts under fire from John Biden.

    From one gun-toting mum to another, I say, bring it on Mrs Palin!

  • Jordan Richardson

    Well now I’ve got a fucking awesome visual!

  • independent

    Someone please tell me because all I keep hearing is executive experience, but what experience does she really have with foreign policy none that I have ever heard of. If anyone dare says she was over the military and major decisions over them. She did nto do that the Pentagon makes those decisions. It is obvious that a lot of people are not thinking logically right now. Yes I would love to see a lady become the first VP or better yet even President. However there are things that we all must look at what she believes in. It is obvious that McCain & Palin supporters will be the rich and they support their type of decision making. However at the end of the day there are more middle class & lower class people in the US that will support Obama because he was not given a silvur spoon. He is the American dream. I can gaurantee anyone of you horaying for Palin & McCain will see when we all go to the polls. Keep in mind us middle class & lower class people are trying to keep what we have and not allow the rich to take it away. For a fact men lie, women lie, but numbers don’t!!!!!

  • Jordan Richardson

    She was governor in the part of the United States that was closest to Russia and she apparently spoke, on more than one separate instance, to a Canadian. What more do you need?

  • Clavos

    …Not that Canadians are really foreigners.

    (Well, except for the Quebecois) :>)

  • Jordan Richardson

    Those bastards.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Jordan, you are just cute as a button.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Actually, Dave (if no one has pointed it out yet, I have not read all the comments) she is against abortion in the case of rape, too. And is quoted as saying that even if her teenaged daughter were raped, she would not allow her to have an abortion. DOn’t know about incest. But I would NOT call that a moderate position.

  • Jordan Richardson

    As far as I know, Palin opposes all forms of abortion unless the mother’s life is in danger. But she does support contraception and, perhaps surprisingly, locking the car door.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Maybe that old keep one foot on the floor at all times rule, too?

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Hey, you gotta like someone that will actually speak with a canadian…I try to avoid it!

  • Jordan Richardson

    Yep. That’s to protect both feet from becoming stuck to the car ceiling. At least with one on the floor, you have a way out if you happen to change your mind at the last minute. It works like a sort of pole vault…

    Ooookay, we’re here all night folks!

  • Jordan Richardson

    Hey, you gotta like someone that will actually speak with a canadian…I try to avoid it!

    Our Half-Assed Nation thanks you!

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Don’t mention it! Anything for you!

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Jordan, as I’ve said before, Since she’s been governor, not a single Russian soldier or bomber has ever gotten past Alaska!

  • Whoopee

    It’s not bad to have a baby (or two) out of wedlock… It IS BAD to not really know or understand American History.

    The clearest evidence of Sarah Palin’s views on abortion, gay marriage and sex education policy came from her answers to a July 2006 questionnaire issued by the Eagle Forum of Alaska, a social conservative organization, posted on their blog. The questionnaire has been removed from the group’s website. However the post still lives on in Google’s archives: Google archived article

    It includes this gem:
    11. Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
    SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.

    THIS is a Vice Presidential candidate?? Sarah Palin, read up on when the Pledge of Allegiance was written, and when “Under God” was added. The Founding Fathers knew nothing about the Pledge, dear. Sigh. This woman is a dunce…

  • troll

    interesting survey responses…thanks for the link Whoopee

    (and that is a gem indeed)

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Indeed, the unseen joke on her ignorance is that the phrase wasn’t added until the 1950s by her religious nut predecessors

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    I will say this Dave, this website is becoming a little unfair when the usual right-wing lynchmob attacks every opinion even remotely center or left of center with vigor, insults, and enthusiasm. And anyone that protests this apparent new policy is belittled as a whiner and poor baby.

    I just don’t see it, Jet. The site has such a diversity of opinion that your claim doesn’t hold up. Plus there are only a couple of hard-core right-wingers I can even identify on the site, Arch being the main one.

    The most active right-leaning commentors are Clavos and myself and as far as I can tell we have zero in common with the hardcore religious right. We’re closer to YOU politically than we are to Arch.

    What I have seen is that in response to the Palin business there has been a huge influx of extremely hostile and small-minded lefties who are eager to sling insults and try to shut down any discussion.

    Dave

  • Jordan Richardson

    Thanks for posting that survey. Some items I found particularly interesting:

    5. Will you support an effort to expand hate-crime laws?

    Her answer: No, as I believe all heinous crime is based on hate.

    Not even close. “All heinous crime” is most assuredly not based on hate. Mental illness plays a part, for instance, as do a host of other issues. The notion that hate-crime legislation would be superfluous according to Sarah Palin is outright hilarious in its ignorance of the actual criminal element. It’s like a grade school answer.

    10. Do you support the Alaska Supreme Court’s ruling that spousal benefits for state employees should be given to same-sex couples? Why or why not?

    Her answer: No, I believe spousal benefits are reserved for married citizens as defined in our constitution.

    A very suitable non-answer. She doesn’t expand as to “why” she believes that (they never do), although I suppose space might have been limited.

    12. In relationship to families, what are your top three priorities if elected governor?

    Her answer: 1. Creating an atmosphere where parents feel welcome to choose the venues of education for their children.
    2. Preserving the definition of “marriage” as defined in our constitution.
    3. Cracking down on the things that harm family life: gangs, drug use, and infringement of our liberties including attacks on our 2nd Amendment rights.

    Wow. It’s compelling to me that she views “attacks on our 2nd Amendment rights” as something that harms “family life,” yet goes on to preserve an outdated “definition of marriage” as defined in the constitution. I’m glad she’s hard at work fighting those Alaskan gangs, though.

    A very telling glimpse into Sarah Palin, if I may say so. See? There are much better reasons to not trust her than any issues with her family.

  • http://limkamput-nincompoop.blogspot.com Linda

    I’m a Hilary supporter and I’m insulted that the Republicans expect me to vote for Sarah Pailin! Hey, we women are not that stupid!

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Not even if they put her pregnant daugher in as a write in to replace her as governor?

  • Jordan Richardson

    I’m a Hilary supporter and I’m insulted that the Republicans expect me to vote for Sarah Pailin! Hey, we women are not that stupid!

    Forgive my confusion, but what?

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    And people wonder why I’m gay?…….this has been a recorded announcement

  • Clavos

    Do you support the Alaska Supreme Court’s ruling that spousal benefits for state employees should be given to same-sex couples? Why or why not?

    Her answer: No, I believe spousal benefits are reserved for married citizens as defined in our constitution.

    A very suitable non-answer. She doesn’t expand as to “why” she believes that (they never do), although I suppose space might have been limited.

    Interestingly, when the state of Alaska attempted to cancel partner’s benefits for gay state employees, as governor, she vetoed it.

    Obviously, she’s changed her mind on that issue.

    Good for her.

  • Kem

    Sounds like Sarah Palin is a “talker” just like some of you claim of Obama.

    She never exactly stated what she did as a Mayor and Governor of Alaska. It was a good talk, but not a lot of substance…

    Her speech tonight did not win me over.

    VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN

  • independent

    I think her speech was horrible and she did not provide me any information other than the same old cult practices of the Republicans. I am not voting for her.

  • Marie Mathieu

    What is this – Who is Sarah Palin? I cannot relate to this lady what so ever!!!!!! I am currently unemployed and seeking a job in the teaching field – She hasn’t said anything about unemployment, healthcare which I have tons of because my son was hospitalized because of pnemonia. I don’t see the relationship what so ever.

  • Marie

    As for Rudy Giluane or what ever his name is – He’s nothing but a racist. He hates black people. He divided New York City into cultura groups and as for black african or any decedents from Africa – He hates us BLACK PEOPLE, Yes I said it and I am going to say it again and that is why he went hard on Barack Obama and he probably forgot That Barack came out of a white woman pussy.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Last week it was the far right frothing at the mouth. Tonight it’s the far left. But what about all that remain in the middle? The line of the night for me was her explanation of the difference between hockey moms and pit bulls. Folks, THAT remark appealed to mothers all across this land. Don’t underestimate Sarah Palin. Regardless of the outcome in this election, Sarah Palin may very well be President some day long after the spot lights and Styrofoam columns are taken out of the Obama Oval Office.

  • Clavos

    If the Reps win this election, she may well be the first female President in 2012.

  • democrat 4 life

    Lets really look at the experience comparison:

    Obama:
    B.A in political science from Columbia University, with a specialization in international relations
    J.D. in Law from Hardvard, graduated magna cum laude; President of the Harvard Law Review
    12 years (92-04) teaching constitutional law
    7 years State Senator: sponsored more than 800 bills
    4 years Senator for Illinos, a state with 12.8 million people

    Palin:
    Bachelor’s in journalism from University of Idaho
    4 years Wasilla City Council (8000 people)
    6 years Wasilla mayor (8000 people)
    1 year “Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission”
    20 months governor of a state with 660,000 people

  • leila

    You may want to consider replacing the word Neanderthal with another descriptor. Sarah Palin, much like so many other people with imaginary friends, doesn’t recognize Neanderthals since we did not evolve, but rather were created in God’s image.
    Sarah reminds me so much of principals often found in schools…..ex PE teachers with an inflated ego that matches their obnoxiousness and is often negatively correlated with intellect. How sad is that in the year of 2008, our presidential candidate’s list of accomplishments (as presented by the Hawaiian governor) are that she was once Ms. Wisallia and a runner up as Ms. Alaska. Let’s hope that her experience with coming in second will ease the pain when it happens again come this November. Also-being a progressive feminist doesn’t mean that one automatically embraces the idea that all women should be able to have a family and career regardless of her circumstances. If this woman wants a career, then why have five kids for Neanderthal’s sake? Just imagine if this was a Democrat. She would be bombarded with hideous comments from Fox pundits and all those radical Evangelicals with their self-righteous attitudes. Why is that so many Old Testament biblical scriptures that essentially define a women submissive beings that defer to a man aren’t interpreted literally. While I could barely stand listening to GOP speakers spew out all their usual rhetoric, it occurred to me that nothing coming out of their mouths was substantial. They boast the notion that they’re so much more patriotic (which is a word they clearly need to look up in the dictionary since they’re misusing it all the time)than the rest of us. Their other platform is creating fear and promoting war. Our country, being relatively young, has of history of multiple wars, invasions, etc. …MOST of which could be deemed as unlawful.We’re the only ones that have dropped the bomb and have accumulated a horrendous number of nuclear weapons in our efforts to bankrupt the Soviets and making the richest people even richer. We have the audacity to put others on an “evil axis” because they’re developing ones. We are so arrogant. Better yet, we have the maturity and egocentric perspective of two year olds that demand these things right then and there. Contrary to Bush’s warped belief, our invasion of Iraq is not going to be remembered as being victorious…this war will be considered as a critical point in which our nation falls much like the Romans.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Speaking as a Meanderthal-American I resent the previous posts trying to involve us in this political campaign. Remember. Our we have larger brains than you Homo Saps, so trad lightly.

    Dave

  • P.J. McGuire

    For those who think John McCain will live another 8 years as president are truly optimists. He’ll be 80 years old; he has already outlived his father and grandfather.
    And he’s already made serious mistakes is geography, the different religious sects in Iraq, the timing of the Anbar awaking. If Joe Liebermann wasn’t by his side, it’s just scary what he doesn’t comprehend anymore because of his age.
    Before anyone gets excited about having Sarah Palin as our President please research her before being too happy about it.
    If you don’t believe in sex education, birth control, abortion under any circumstances. Then she’s your gal.
    If you believe the entire universe started with Adam and Eve despite geologist and archeologist’s findings. Then she’s your gal.
    If you believe George Bush heard from God saying he should attack Iraq and Sarah Palin thinks it’s because the sins of the Jews. Then she’s your gal
    If you think motherhood is a side job and your professional career comes first – then she’s your gal
    I sat tonight like most waiting to hear Sarah Palin’s 5 hour rehearsed speech. I also have my computer on the Internet so I can check facts from fiction. I also do that when I’m listening to the news, reading the newspaper etc. I was amazed at how many lies she told about Barack Obama. You can look under GovTrack.us for the voting record of both Senator McCain and Barack Obama to see for yourself what each actually stands for apart from their speeches. There are countless of sites giving information on the histories of the candidates but I stick to the non-partisan to get the truth. Changing the law in the federal government or state government is part of the experience of changing government and governing itself. Barack Obama, even though he was still a state senator he opposed the war. That was a decision that some more experienced Senators didn’t stand by. I believe it was only 23 (all democrats) that voted against the war.
    As for Hurricane Katrina John McCain voted against funding for extended unemployment benefits, Medicare for the sick and re-construction because he was worried about the fiscal deficit. But he voted strongly for the war and the billion for supporting and the heck with the deficit in that case.
    I don’t understand Republicans who are pro-life and pro-war and an unnecessary war at that. Regan committed treason buy trading weapons for hostages with Iran, trained the Taliban for Afghanistan and he was under investigation for 6 years before Bush-senior pardon him.
    Bin Laden was and still is in Pakistan, which we sent millions of dollars to Pakistan because they say they are our friends, but won’t help us get rid of the recruitment and training facilities funded by their government.
    I don’t see what is so conservative about the Republican’s today. They have become a spending party. Fool the public, protect the rich and in the end we will lose this country. Which I love so much, George Washington was right about not having a two party system and so was Lincoln. But we don’t listen to the great leaders of days past. If fact most people who vote don’t really study any of what they are voting for. There is such a thing as common sense and the Republican’s have lost theirs.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    PJ. McCain’s mother is 97. She was at the convention answering questions from reporters.

    As for McCain, what if he does die? After tonight’s speech I imagine we’re all pretty confident in Palin’s ability to take over from him.

    Dave

  • Miriam

    Brilliantly put, Leila! If McCain wins, I hope he doesn’t die. Sarah Palin must be stopped. She will take us back to the days of June Cleaver-gets-a part-time job. As a mother, I am horrified at the prospect of my sons not learning sex education in the schools. Abstinence! Is that what that “pit bull with lipstick” would have them learn? I see 2 problems with that. Obviously it didn’t work for her own teenage daughter and more importantly, did anyone ever hear of AIDS? I realize that the responsibility for these discussions may be on the parents. Before you all attack me, my husband and I take great pains to educate our boys. However, many people are not comfortable having these discussions and leave that to the school system. To bury our heads in the sand and not talk about the issue will lead to an increase in teen pregnancy (it happened in Gov. Palin’s home) and in STDs.
    In addition, all the governor did was attack Barack Obama. She did not say anything about what she would do to help get our country out of the catastrophic state the Republicans have created. The problem in our country is that there is so much ignorance. Everyone hears what they perceive to be a great speech by a fairly attractive woman and they don’t look at the issues. I can’t believe how many people on this blog site even commented on how pretty she is. That is so sexist and ignorant. Look at the issues, guys!
    People think Obama/Biden are going to raise taxes. Only if you earn over 250K. How many people are left in that tax bracket after George Bush obliterated the middle class? My husband and I both own separate small businesses and we have made the committment to pay more for the promise of an administration that will not control what a woman can do to her body or what kids are told in the school system, that will get out of that ridiculous war, that will address the climate crisis and allow for development of alternative fuels (for years such “mavericks” have been hushed because it doesn’t fit into Bush/Cheney’s agenda). Enough! I want my country back and so should all of you.
    VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    It’s my personal opinion that any woman that complains about people complimenting another woman on her looks is probably not all that attractive. That, or extremely insecure.

  • musicmom

    I felt like Sarah Palin’s speech was a one-way job interview, with the US population tuning in to listen, and no question time. Look at all the myriad of questions we have about how she is going to juggle family’s needs while she takes on the responsibility of the needs of America! It’s baffling. Great to hear she breastfeeds, great to hear she was a hockey mom. So who’s taking them to hockey when she is elected? And who are the kids going to call when they want mommy, and she is gone for two weeks. And who is on her kids PTA now? Is her husband going to become Mr Mom now? As a mother of four, I’d like to hear that her children’s emotional needs are planned for.

  • Kem

    Did Sarah Palin even mention the word – MIDDLE CLASS in her speech? Makes me say HMMMMM!!

    Look folks, these Republicans are for the UPPER CLASS and making the RICH RICHER!

    WAKE UP…. WAKE UP…. WAKE UP….

    VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN

  • Miriam

    I am very secure and attractive but you are apparently petty and ignorant. The reason I point that out is that as women, we have fought hard (and yes, I have fought and campaigned in many local and national elections-I am 44 like Sarah Palin)to be treated with respect and equality. To have people mention that she looks good in a bikini makes those people (and you, too), look like a babbling Neanderthal.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    I am and that’s the way I like it.

    Of course complimenting a woman on her looks makes all men look like neanderthals…but we are all cave men…

    And just like you have a name for what you consider me to be, know that I have one for you too. I won’t use it, only because it won’t stay up long anyway. But you know what you are.

    And to comment 379 – I watched her speach last night and I don’t recall hearing her tell us she breast feeds her baby. Guess that must be some of the MSNBC coverage you’re watching. Amazing you could even hear the commentators with the 9/11 truthers screaming their heads off behind them.

    We only worry about the emotional needs of the children when it’s a woman running? Has anyone asked Barry how he plans to juggle the presidency and his two daughters at the same time? I mean come on, even Michelle has said that the girls miss their daddy!

  • Miriam

    Andy, you are an ignoramous…and proud of it. I do know what I am and it is something I can write in this blogsite…a proud, responsible, well-educated, hard-working Catholic American who wants her country back. I am not bashing Sarah on what she can or can’t do for her kids…obviously any woman who works outside the home has to divide her attention. It is a bittersweet right that we have earned. It also is a necessity in these difficult economic times. Barack’s daughters will miss their daddy. I’m sure they missed him before as a senator. I am not bashing the governor on her gender. I am bashing her on her 1950s views which do not add up to what happened with daughter Bristol. If Barack had a mini scandal like that, you know you would be all over him (and if you are truly a proud Neanderthal, you might even attribute it to race…and you know it). Before you jump down my throat, I am a proud white woman who has never been as proud to see a minority take the nomination for president.
    Another issue I have with her is her views on sex education and creationism. Come on!!! Do you want to go back to the 1800’s (although that would be a step up for the neanderthals)?
    Sarah Palin is more conservative than the Pope. She is not experienced. She certainly is not Hillary Clinton and she will not woo the angry Hillary supporters. I voted for Hillary in our Primary and would love a woman in the white house…just not Sarah Palin.
    As far as McCain…we don’t need someone to continue the downward spiral of George W Bush. If Bush actually helped your caveman lifestyle, then I understand why you would support McCain/Palin. For most America, that is not an option.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Come November I’d be willing to bet that most of America isn’t going to agree with you.

    I guess as a catholic girl you never went to catholic school or you already would have seen creationism and evolution taught side by side.

    You and the MSM don’t know shit about Bristol Palin. You don’t know how mature or imature she may be. You have no idea of what her value system is or isn’t, yet you and the MSM crucify her and her parents for something you know absolutely nothing about.

    Even Obama said this should be off limits. His mother had him when she was 18, my mother had me when she was 18, Bristol is 17. From what I’ve seen that looks to be a pretty strong family and they believe they can handle the challenge. Who are you to think they can’t?

    And lastly, thank fucking god she’s not hillary clinton!

  • Miriam

    I don’t watch MSNBC, but I bet you are glued to Fox. I did go to Catholic school and I was never taught evolution until after I graduated. Clearly, you didn’t go to Catholic school either because those two theories are never taught together in a religious setting. I never commented on Bristol’s maturity only that since her mom lives in a glass house she should not throw stones. You sound like you know the family…did you even know the name Sarah Palin before last week? I sincerely doubt it.
    And this is America, remember? That gives me the right to think (and say) whatever I want. And I didn’t even need to curse!

  • morgan jones

    i believe that mccain made a very smart choice with picking mrs. palin to be vice pres. even though she was pregnant and a new mom to a child born with down syndrome, she new the baby was going to be different and she stilled loved him unconditionally. doesnt that say she can be a mother and a vice pres. she will bring youth and female to this countries leadership.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    You know I am amazed at how silent people are when I scream about education being our most pressing problem. A friend brought up Bristol Palin to me last night and prefaced her anti-Palin diatribe with, “if she can’t even control her kid, how can she run the country?” Damn. Are we that stupid to believe that a parent who can’t control their teenage kid’s sex life is somehow too flawed to be in office? Then I hear from the left that if Palin supported sex education her daughter wouldn’t be pregnant. OK, I could almost concede that point except for one thing – PARENTS, let me repeat, P-A-R-E-N-T-S are the ultimate arbiters of their child’s education. So this leads me to another question – If ethics and accountability were given the same stature in education as the basics would such an education lead to better parents? Would we pop out a generation of better citizens?

  • Miriam

    As a representative for the “left” I agree with you that it is the parents’ job to educate kids, especially on these sensitive topics. But you can’t expect every parent to have the same finesse and dedication that you and I may have. You may come back at me saying other kids are not your problem. Ultimately they are. If kids are uneducated/misinformed and teen pregnancy/STDs increase, it affects the population, health care costs, taxes, the economy. And yes, if we gave ethics and accountability a greater stature, we would “pop out” a better crop. Absolutely!
    This is too great a country to go into denial about topics that make us uncomfortable because that will only exacerbate the problems we are currently facing.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Miriam, other kids ARE my problem. Somebody else’s kid will rise to a political leadership position which affects my life. Somebody else’s kid will be empowered with the authority to decide how my tax dollars are spent. It DOES take a village. I know Conservatives and Republicans (they don’t necessarily go hand in hand) try to fluff that little factor out of the equation.

    Imagine a new generation of political leaders who were educated in a system where ethics and accountability stood front and center with the three R’s. Can you imagine the political change? Can you see major campaign finance reform? Can you see a better society evolving? Or has the educational ball been dropped so profoundly that we’re too damn stupid to realize that which is obvious?

  • Fallon

    She shoots! She scores!

    She is the one they didn’t see coming. She won this independent voter over. I was enamored with the idea of Obama but the reality of Governor Palin is just what this country needs. She is a 21st Century feminist.

  • Miriam

    Silas, I couldn’t agree with you more. I say this every day. We are ridiculously self absorbed and just downright mean. I imagine you may teach by the way you are speaking. If you are a teacher, you have my admiration. If you don’t teach, you still have my admiration. People don’t realize the village concept. We are all too busy to be our brother’s keeper. Personally that saddens me. I remember when I was a kid and we knew everyone on our street. Parents would look out for each other’s kids. Those days are gone.
    Tell me when you want to organize this new generation…because I’ll be there. And yes, even though our kids carry 30 lbs of books in their massive backpacks, their scores are down and we are becoming stupider by the minute.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Kids are “stupid” because the American education system is predicated largely on the concept of memory and not on the concept of meaning. American educaiton is based on knowing dates and definitions, not complex components. Wars are remembered for the dates and deliverers of great battles, politics is remembered for the dates and deliveries of great speeches, and so on. American kids are really great are reciting information, but they aren’t so good at understanding it and working with it within a free thought environment.

    Critical thinking skills should be taught, first and foremost, and people should be allowed to criticize their countries without fear of backlash. Textbooks that allow for open-ended discussion need to replace the crusty old textbooks in the schools. New skills need to be taught and the lifestyles these kids live need to be acknowledged and not demonized.

    As far as looking out for one another, America isn’t going to get there with its current competitive attitude. It’s always a competition: us vs. them, me vs. you. Concepts of sharing and group effort need to be learned all over again and the concept of HEALTHY competition needs to be rediscovered.

    When America became a nation of consumers rather than a nation of producers, something happened to the way in which people interacted. Competition became about having more than somebody else and not about working together to raise the level of the whole community or country. So it’s hard to encourage people to be their “brother’s keeper” when most are encouraged to get a leg up on their brother and make sure they are “better” than him.

    Sorry for rambling and perhaps hijacking the discussion, but I think these issues are important and represent a deeper foundation than any political discussion could ever hope to resolve. So when politics, education, health care, and so on are all built upon this foundation, it’s no small wonder that disaster is going to strike.

    Americans deserve better. We all do.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Don’t apologize, Jordan. You’re right on with your points and I, for one, appreciate the time you took to express your sentiments.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    11 years of catholic school and I promise you, I was taught both, creationism and evolution…the only thing they never covered was how to reconcile the two.

    I couldn’t possible be “glued” to Fox if I’m talking about what I’ve seen on MSNBC now could I? As a matter of fact, after Palin’s speech last night I turned on MSNBC just because I wanted to hear what the moonbats had to say about her.

  • GJ

    I think Sarah is a great choice. It shows that the Republican Party is moving into the future instead of being stuck in the same old “Good old boys club”.
    America needs a change and to those who feel the right to judge other; its people who throw stones that usually have more skeletons’ in there closet then anyone else. I think by standing by her daughter and showing the world that they are like the rest of us. Good on her. She rocks. For those who think they can control everything there teenagers do, your very mistaken. They have minds of there own and it doesn’t matter how good of a parent you are, teens will do what they want. I’m proud of her for standing up for her children. Anything less would make me think of the “Good of boys club again”. If it was a man, we wouldn’t be discussing this and her parenting. Her husband is capable of caring for the kids he helped CREATE. No one is perfect and if you are go ahead and toss some stones. I will vote for someone that has been in the blue collar field and knows what its like to have a real family with all its great issues. If your family is perfect, then you need to go on TV and show the world how wonderful you and your family might be. Show us how it works or keep it to yourself.

    Why isn’t anyone talking about Obama’a family and his qualifications? That’s right he is a man and said leave his family out of it and people did. Oh, that’s right did he say that ” change trumps experience and experience doesn’t matter if your willing to make a real change” GUESS that was another line of crude
    .
    People are afraid of a strong women or men. It should not matter how big a state is, it’s still the same job in the end. When it comes down to the paper work and presenting your work towards making a change, it’s all the same process. Public speaking, she is very dynamic.

    The more I listen to old school attitudes, the more I see America is not changed, it just hidden better now.

    I’m ashamed of the politics in the US. It seems to me that people revert to high school years to make there points, by slinging garbage around to discredit the other candidate. What is up with that? Be an adult and vote based off of what you believe someone is capable of accomplishing, not what the media tells you. Just because someone says you’re not good enough to be in a certain career field doesn’t mean it’s true. If that’s the mentality in America, we have more issues amongst ourselves, then politics will ever solve. America needs to learn to take care of herself before it can truly care for anyone else. We need to focus on are business and make ourselves only reliant on the US. The more we send overseas and they send us, the less we have a right to complain about job losses and gas prices. America is lost and if other countries cut us off, we are screwed.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    I swear every time Obama speaks Chris Matthews achieves orgasm. I have always loved Chris because he’s as passionate with his views as I. But this love affair is a bit too much for me to take.

  • bob

    how much do u wheigh

  • bob toe jam

    will u marry me??????????????????????????????

  • Miriam

    To #395’s comment:

    “The more I listen to old school attitudes, the more I see America is not changed, it just hidden better now.”

    As you say we only pick on women, I beg to differ. I am a woman, pleased to see women on primary or general election tickets. I could answer that perhaps the issue you all have with Obama is the color of his skin. Many of the “red staters” have still not risen above that. Many of you say Obama has little experience. In truth, I think it is a racial issue and you are just afraid to call a spade a spade.
    Sorry for my honest and perhaps offensive opinion but that’s what I suspect is the case.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    The bottom line, really, is not whether Palin is more qualified than Obama. It’s whether she is qualified, period.

    I’ve yet to hear an answer to that question that isn’t flimsier than a newlywed’s undies.

  • troll

    …I fear that there is no bottom line here Dreadful…rather a bottomless pit

  • Miriam

    AMEN TO THAT!

  • K.J. Johnson

    I am really sorry and disappointed that I found nothing of substance in Sarah Palin.

    I am a woman from Idaho and have hunted and fished my whole life including all the gutting, skinning and cooking that goes with it. BIG DEAL! For us, it darned well wasn’t a sport! It was food for our family and it was cold, wet, snowing work. Sarah Palin gets absolutely NO points from me for that.

    I worked full time, my two children were triple varsity athletes, Honor Society members and both went to college with hard-earned scholarships to boot, so I triple trump her overblown ‘hockey mom’ status. No points there from me either!

    So, what was left after the hype and show? Absolutely nothing. I am SO disappointed!

    She puts women right back in the stereo-typed box we worked so hard to get out of. Her speech carried the same tone and content that I would expect from a snob-mob Jr. High girl’s clique. She appeared shockingly two-face as she smiled so sweetly and spoke so prettily while she knifed the Democrats in the ribs. Again, BIG DEAL! Anyone else could have done the same thing.

    I waited and waited for something…ANYTHING…of substance to be said. Nothing.

    Nothing on the economy, nothing on jobs, wars, inflation, energy or anything else at all. Just sly, snickering insults and sound-bite cut downs of Democrats. Give me SOMETHING more than that for heaven’s sake!

    Of all the wonderful, amazing, talented people from which McCain could choose, why, in the name of one heartbeat away from the Presidency and leadership of the entire free world, did he choose someone on the basis of who MIGHT help him win an election instead of someone who would be a strong, believable leader for the United States of America? Now THAT really would have helped him win the election.

    She might be a fun person to hang out with at the local high school basketball game, but as for being one heartbeat away from being President of the United States of America? Sarah would sadly be nothing more than a inexperienced puppet-President reading a teleprompter and photo-posing for the cameras.
    I have lost my confidence in John McCain’s judgment for good.

    I am SO disappointed.

  • troll

    in truth as far as I know the only qualifications for the position(s) that we as a ‘nation’ have agreed to are listed in the Constitution – and the resounding answer is: yes she is qualified

  • troll

    (not sure if my fingers meant resounding or astounding)

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    And I don’t even have to state the obvious companion conclusion to that, do I, troll?

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    I could answer that perhaps the issue you all have with Obama is the color of his skin.

    Well, THAT is an honest statement that doesn’t seem to be debated. Is White Middle America ready to elect a black man? Will White Middle America admit that they have reservations about electing a black man to pollsters? There remains a severe racial divide. It’s our little closet secret. And, is White Middle America afraid of the racial dynamics that they fear will take place with an Obama election? If we are ever going to break the racial glass ceiling, these things must be discussed in an open, honest environment.

  • Miriam

    Yeah, just like Dubya would be fun to have a beer with, so would Sarah. But you wouldn’t want them running the country. Look what he did to it!
    Sarah is very catty…her speech was like watching “Heathers” (the movie) and as you say absolutely no substance.

  • Clavos

    In truth, I think it is a racial issue and you are just afraid to call a spade a spade.

    No pun intended…

  • Jordan Richardson

    Sarah is very catty…her speech was like watching “Heathers” (the movie) and as you say absolutely no substance.

    More like Mean Girls only with less hotness and a poorer script.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    I beg to differ. If I sat down and had a few beers with Dubya I’d end up slapping him in the head. If there were ever a reasonable argument for birth control it is him. The only reason he is President, and I believe this to the bottom of my dark soul, is because he has sibling rivalry issues with the brother who should have been the Bush President – Jeb. And, thanks to GWB, Jeb will never have an opportunity to serve. This President is an embarrassment to the country, to Texas but worst of all, to his own family.

  • Miriam

    LOL Silas, you call it white middle America, I call it red-staters but the bottom line is many people cannot handle that thought. I have actually had people say to me that crime would go up. WTH?
    If the racial glass ceiling is broken, why would anyone who has been oppressed or whose ancestors were oppressed help reinstall that ceiling again?

  • Jordan Richardson

    If the racial glass ceiling is broken, why would anyone who has been oppressed or whose ancestors were oppressed help reinstall that ceiling again?

    Bah, the glass repairs would just be outsourced.

  • Miriam

    Ok, maybe I’d slap him too. The sad thing is, people never figured this out after the first time he stole the election. They signed him on for four more years!

  • Miriam

    True, we’d just buy a cheap piece of crap glass celing made in China

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Well, Miriam, look at what the Democrats had to offer. Running Hillary against Bush 4 years ago would have been a very interesting race.

  • troll

    Dreadful – as I read it the Constitution clearly states that folks with Dumbo ears are excluded from high office

  • Miriam

    you think she could have done it? everyone would have said she had little experience (first term, like Obama) and to boot, she is a woman. Interesting thought

  • Upset

    This is disgusting McCain has turned this election into a freak reality show by choosing her. Her biggest talents are making and hunting for moose? If he DIES she will be the leader of this country? Someone’s who’s only experience is being governer of a population as large as a couple of schools in NY… If she was choosen to be a Hilary substitute for Hilary’s supporters, McCain sure did piss a lot of people off.

  • Miriam

    Hope you are right. I was obviously not going to vote for McCain anyway but his choice of a woman to replace another woman of far greater qualifications is very offensive.

  • http://nortonrelease.com Alex

    There is one thing you are forgetting. American’s do favor a woman in power as long as she is likable. Palin is very likable and not to mention the fact that she will capture a lot of Hillary supporters who are still mad at Obama.

  • BILLY LACY

    I BELIVE THE FACTS ARE IN, MCCAIN SHOULD HAVE RUN IN 2004 WHEN HE COULD REMEMBER WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO SAY.BUT REALLY, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BELIVE THAT A FORTY SOMTHING PREGENANT WOMAN WILL BE READY TO RUN THIS COUNTRY IF ELECTED AND MCCAIN DIES.BE REAL.OMG YOU MUST BE KIDDING,TALK ABOUT NO EXPERIENCE.ALASKA ,THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NOTHNG IN ALASKA ,COMPAIRED TO NEW YORK OR D.C. OR L.A. PER CAPITA,THERE IS NO CAPITA IN ALASKA.

  • Jordan Richardson

    American’s do favor a woman in power as long as she is likable.

    Yeah, history has really demonstrated that point…

  • Virtue

    “I’D rather lose an election, than lose a war”…OOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhh, REEEEEEALLLLLLLYYYYYYYYY!?!?!

  • Ohioan

    Sarah Palin is being pimped by the Republican Party and the country is buying it. The Grand Old Party is still screwing with the Amercan Psyche and its citizens are too dumb to know what’s happening.

  • P.J. McGuire

    In comparison to Sarah Palin, Senator Barack Obama has been a gentleman. And the way she spoke as if she had been on the national scene for sometime, instead of being rehearsed and educated on it this last week! She didn’t even know about what John McCain’s stance on the Iraq war was and didn’t care about national politics.
    Speaking about Barack Obama and what he’s already done to this country – it’s a gift to inspire people like he does and isn’t given enough credit for it. Such leaders like, Lincoln, Winston Churchill, FDR, and JFK and by the way they didn’t have much experience and were never a governor or mayor. With Obama’s vision for improving our country here and abroad and with Biden’s experience for getting things done. It’s the perfect ticket. And people (if they let themselves love this country – instead of enjoy hating liberals as Rush Limbaugh instills in people) By the way does the Right wing even know that the Right wing radio and Fox news complains more about liberals than they do about the real enemy – terrorists!
    Liberals used to be thought of as the party that won World War II, and ended the depression and made a man working at a gas station be able to buy a house and raise a family. Yeah! We are really terrible people.

  • Miriam

    True words, PJ. He has been a gentleman and she was a classless mudslinger last night. Can she be charismatic? I suppose so, but I hope the people will see beyond that. And what about that scandal where she pressured someone into firing her brother in law. She just hired a lawyer….interesting. I just heard about a poll on CNN which was taken in Iowa (a RED STATE!)which actually had Obama 15 Points ahead of McBUSH. I am praying that other smart folks in the swing states will follow suit.

  • http://bunbury.yourguide.com.au/news/world/world/general/palin-accused-of-steamy-extramarital-affair/1262904.aspx snoop

    The Truth About Sarah Palin:

    Dear friends, So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the last 2 days that I decided to write something up . . . Basically, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton have only 2 things in common: their gender and their good looks. :) You have my permission to forward this to your friends/email contacts with my name and email address attached, but please do not post it on any websites, as there are too many kooks out there . . .

    Thanks,
    Anne

    ABOUT SARAH PALIN

    I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child’s favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law.

    I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city. She is enormously popular; in every way she’s like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won’t vote for her can’t quit smiling when talking about her because she is a “babe”.

    It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months. She is “pro-life”. She recently gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby. She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

    She is savvy. She doesn’t take positions; she just “puts things out there” and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

    Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin’s kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native Alaskans. Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

    She’s smart. Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents. During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign. Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a “fiscal conservative”. During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents. The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million.

    What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn’t even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later–to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing. While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once. These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

    As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state. In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today’s surplus, borrow for needs.

    She’s not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren’t generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren’t evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them. While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin’s attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

    Sarah complained about the “old boy’s club” when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of “old boys”. Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal–loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State’s top cop (see below). As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla’s Police Chief because he “intimidated” her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska’s top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it’s pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn’t fire her sister’s ex-husband, a State Trooper.

    Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.

    She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn’t like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness. Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.

    When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the “old boys’ club” when she dramatically quit, exposing this man’s ethics violations (for which he was fined).

    As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the “bridge to nowhere” after it became clear that it would be unwise not to. As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects–which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance–but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as “anti-pork”.

    She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative. Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her “Sarah Barracuda” because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team.

    When Sarah’s mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her. As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as “AGIA” that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.

    Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned “as a private citizen” against a state initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State’s lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior’s decision to list polar bears as threatened species.

    McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President. There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she. However, there’s a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.

    CLAIM VS FACT
    *”Hockey mom”: true for a few years
    *”PTA mom”: true years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since
    *”NRA supporter”: absolutely true
    *social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
    *pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to promote it.
    *”Pro-life”: mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation
    *”Experienced”: Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.
    *political maverick: not at all
    *gutsy: absolutely!
    *open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.
    *has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
    *”a Greenie”: no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR. *fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
    *pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.
    *pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents
    *pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla’s history.
    *pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn’t make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

    WHY AM I WRITING THIS?
    First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne, last name redacted Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations. Secondly, I’ve always operated in the belief that “Bad things happen when good people stay silent”. Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings. Third, I am just a housewife. I don’t have a job she can bump me out of. I don’t belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that’s life. Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah’s attempt at censorship. Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

    CAVEATS
    I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor) from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of Wasilla, and I can’t recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall–they are swamped. So I can’t verify my numbers. You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my “about 5,000″, up to 9,000. The day Palin’s selection was announced a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90’s.

    [Paragraph breaks inserted for readability by Assistant Comments Editor]

  • She is a MILF!!!

    Now that McCain has decided to run with Sarah Palin as her VP, this long time republican is voting democrat!

    although I have to say…she is hot!!!
    Good job McCain, at least you will be a happy nominee for the time being.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Now that McCain has decided to run with Sarah Palin as her VP

    Good grief!

    Is that something else they did to him in the POW camp…?

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    John McCain had a sex change while a POW? Wow she’s good at keeping things hidden isn’t she?

  • Steve S

    The thing that got me was the report on CNN, that she wanted to ban certian books at the library. WOW Obama’s got this election

  • Jordan Richardson

    She claimed that her comments about censoring or banning books were meant “rhetorically.” Take that for whatever you think it’s worth.

  • Miriam

    This is how I take it…she’s trying to control what knowledge goes out there…I call that censorship. No way Obama can lose.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Here’s a piece of history to show you what the GOP is really like and what they’re capable of…

    However, the strategy pursued by the Bush campaign, though its members deny knowledge of executing it, produced one of the ugliest episodes in American politics. Senator McCain’s campaign chief described the underhanded tactics faced in the South Carolina primary, “Anonymous opponents used ‘push polling’ to suggest that McCain’s Bangladeshi born daughter was his own, illegitimate black child.” The same inaccurate claim was distributed on fliers, surreptitiously handed out by teenagers who were anonymously paid to do so.

    Similar materials were distributed claiming that the Senator’s wife was a drug addict, that the decorated Vietnam veteran was a traitor, that McCain was a homosexual, or that he was mentally unstable. Bush staffers had established plausible deniability for the spurious materials; and, when the McCain camp attempted to fight back with television spots comparing Bush to Bill Clinton, the effort backfired. Frustrated, McCain pulled the commercials and prohibited his staff from further use of negative tactics, but it was too late. Bush won the February 19, 2000, contest by 11 points.

    South Carolina Loss: Beginning of the End for McCain in 2000
    It was not immediately apparent that the loss was fatal for McCain’s presidential aspirations. He posted victories in Michigan and Arizona before Bush began racking up delegates. Following South Carolina McCain verbally clashed with conservative Christian leaders, a crowd that Bush was willing to pander to, further hindering his efforts. However, most of the damage had already been done on and before February 19. Dan Schnur, a Bush staffer in 2000, put it best when quoted in a 2007 New York Times article, “Once we took that halo off of [McCain], there was no way to get it back.”

    It also goes to show how much of a hypocrit Bush was at the convention, and how stupid McCain is for accepting his endorsement.

    Not everyone has such short memories as John McCain does.

  • Jill Thomas

    First of all, I was a McCain Supporter … until he chose Sarah Palin as his running mate. My reservations about Sarah Palin have nothing to do with the fact that she has young kids. I admire the fact that she is doing her bit to populate Alaska :-). My real problem with Sarah Palin is that she is a hypocrite. On the one hand, she appeals to Christian conservatives with her “family values” pitch but on the other.. she seems to be running a marathon to break most of the 10 commandments over and over and over again. She has admitted to smoking dope, she had her first child 8 months after she got married – you do the math, she has used the powers of her political office to settle personal scores with members of her extended family, she is using state funds to pay someone who is essentially her family lawyer to represent her in court, she wants to defile Alaskan wilderness with by allowing her friends in the oil lobby to drill oil wells there (showing her total lack of regard for God’s will for us to protect and preserve tha habitat that He has blessed us with), and she lies through her teeth when it comes to throwing unfounded accusations against her opponents – republicans and democrats alike. Some of my friends from church think she sets a very bad role model for young women – by engaging in premarital sex herself and celebrating her young daughter’s choice to do the same; and by choosing to bring a child with Down Syndrome into this world by choosing to have unprotected sex while in in her 40’s when she ought to know better!

  • P.J. McGuire

    September 4, 2008
    In a Thursday morning conference call for reporters organized by the Democratic National Committee, Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius pushed back against the idea that Republicans have cornered the market on small-town American values.
    “I live in the American heartland, and have been a governor [here] for six years,” she said. “I don’t know any mayor in any small town in Kansas — and we have a lot of mayors of small towns — who hires a lobbyist and goes after earmarks the way Sarah Palin did.” On Tuesday, the Washington Post reported that, as mayor of Wasilla, Palin secured more than $27 million in federal earmarks for a town with only 6,700 residents.
    In her speech, Palin made a not-so-subtle pitch to snatch the sympathies of small-town voters — touting her own experience as a mayor, and contrasting her self-professed values with those of Barack Obama. “I might add that in small towns, we don’t quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren’t listening,” Palin said, referring to remarks Obama made at a San Francisco fundraiser earlier this year.
    Sebelius would have none of it. “What I hear from these folks in the heartland, is that people want to know how they’re going to afford health care … whether they’re going to keep their jobs [and manage] the cost of gas and groceries,” Sebelius said. “Again last night, what we heard were partisan attacks and no real solutions. … I work with a Republican legislature every day. And I know what people expect us to do … is to roll up your sleeves and get the job done.”
    “There’s a disconnect between the way she positions herself as a small-town mayor … and an inside Washington strategy,” Sebelius added. “The kind of persona she is putting forward is very enticing, but I don’t think it matches with her positions.”
    Florida Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz hammered a similar theme, saying that Palin “had a real problem with the truth last night” and adding that “even her hometown newspaper said she stretched the truth.” (a reference to Thursday’s Anchorage Daily News headline: “Some Of Palin’s Remarks Stretch The Truth.”)
    Schultz also suggested that Palin had simply done a good job of robotically delivering an address she had little hand in crafting herself. “Whenever I have had to give significant speeches, I’ve spent a lot of time with the people assisting me in drafting remarks, adding my own voice,” Schultz said. “Last night, I only heard Sarah Palin’s voice [through] negative partisan attacks, with no substance or vision of where she thinks the country should go.”
    On Palin’s effort to position herself and McCain as reformers, Schultz asked, “Where is the beef? Where is the evidence? Sarah Palin is not a reformer, she is under investigation in her home state for the abuse of power in trying to get a state trooper fired… If her best example of being a reformer was trying to sell a plane on E-Bay, that is not my definition of reform.”
    Shultz also questioned Palin’s readiness to lead. “To say that her experience as a mayor of a town of 7,000 people … makes her qualified to have her hands on the pillar of American foreign policy, if God forbid anything happens to John McCain, to suggest that is frightening,” she said. “What kind of experience does Sarah Palin have to sit across the table from negotiators of the dangerous countries of this world?”
    Obama adviser Robert Gibbs stepped in to rebut a few points of fact from Palin’s speech. Specifically, he cited her reference to family members who own a small service station, saying they were precisely the kind of Americans who would receive “three times the tax relief” under Obama’s tax plan. Gibbs also noted that Palin “picked up the worn-out playbook of Joe Lieberman,” by claiming that Obama cannot point to any substantive legislative accomplishments. Even some of John McCain’s surrogates know, Gibbs said, that the ethics and lobbying reforms in 2007, “the toughest since the scandal of Watergate,” were passed due to Obama’s work across party lines.

  • Vanessa

    I’m all for woman’s rights but I’m not blind. Palin is NOT Hillary!!!! Palin could become the President very easily….McCain picked her because she is pretty..let’s face it…what other beautiful “white” woman could he have picked???McCain is over 70 years old. What kind of joke is this? It would have been much funnier had he picked “Paris” or yet a female comedian….how about his wife Cindy…she’s beautiful and I’m sure she knows everything he knows.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Jill,

    All due respect, but which of the Ten Commandments prohibits the smoking of dope or sets a timeline as to when one can have a kid.

    Some of my friends from church think she sets a very bad role model for young women – by engaging in premarital sex herself and celebrating her young daughter’s choice to do the same; and by choosing to bring a child with Down Syndrome into this world by choosing to have unprotected sex while in in her 40’s when she ought to know better!

    Some of your friends in church are probably fooling around in the backs of cars or trucks. Also, do your friends from church object to her “choosing to bring a child with Down Syndrome into this world?” Should she have had an abortion, according to your friends in church?

  • Jordan Richardson

    how about his wife Cindy…she’s beautiful

    On what planet?

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    How dare you speak ill of Miss Banshee 1965.

  • troll

    Jordan – that would be the planet Stepford

  • http://evolutionfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/09/04/zero-bama!!!.thtml Palintologist

    Obama gets Booed from his own city of CHICAGO, ILLINOIS

    As the latest details comes out about his relationship with an open terrorist. But I guess some “Americans” believe that National Security, and its safety is small politics, and Iran (a nation whose president said that after creating a nuclear weapon would use it against America and Israel) is small politics too?

    Some liberals are so loony that they have actually convinced themselves that any terrorist attack is an inside job. I would ask the liberal to go to the Middle East where the director of CARE International went (who was shot in the head just for helping the people of Iraq) and places where our soldiers went to battle (who’s beheading were video taped by members of radical islam) and tell me again how Alqueda was not in Iraq, how much you hate America and its freedoms so much that they wish the terrorists well. Nevertheless, a person’s blind support for Barack Hussein Obama is truly telling.

    In this election we ALL need to KEEP AMERICA FIRST and vote John McCain. And despite of Obama’s disinformation campaign, McCain is the real agent for change and reform and has a history of voting against the republican and democrat establishment.

    Both McCain and Palin make a good team and demonstrate that the both care.

    As Americans, there is truly only one race and that is the human race. Together, in this election we need to KEEP AMERICA FIRST and vote John McCain.

    I believe McCain/ Palin’s trip to the hurricane zone, where Katrina once hit, is evidence that McCain and Governor Palin care about the average person like us I am definitely voting fore McCain. I feel like he can be trusted. Meanwhile the “detached” Obama makes snide and critical remarks from a distance.

    Most American’s DO NOT favor abortion. Nor do they wish to align themselves with factions dedicated in butchering innocent babies inside and outside the womb. And NO, that baby is NOT the women’s body; it is a separate body with a separate heartbeat and separate brain activity. And YES, the unborn baby FEELS PHYSICAL PAIN as it is being ripped out of what should be the safest place on earth – mother’s womb!

    The Planned Parenthood abortionists lie to young women all the time just to get their money, while those ex-mothers and ex-fathers suffer emotional distress as they realize everyday that they have just allowed a child killer to convince them, not only to take their money, but also to kill their precious little baby. Abortion STOPS A BEATING HEART and the future of a civilization.

    People weep and wail over the loss of a High School football player destined for a great professional career who had been gunned down by a random shooter, but yet we will never know the great deficit future generations will suffer for the loss of over 50 million innocent babies in this country alone. Shame on America for tolerating this horror … and shame on its citizens for tolerating their personal complacency. Pro-choice is a lie – Babies do not choose to die!

    Away with this archaic freakish, barbaric practice! It will soon be done away with, along with these fake pro-abortion polling numbers! As long as the president chooses judicial nominees his Vice-president better be pro-Life if he is ever going to win an election.

    “A nation that cannot protect its most innocent and helpless citizens and the sanctity of human life is a weak nation that will utterly collapse economically, socially, relationally and entirely.” – HMH

  • Jordan Richardson

    As Americans, there is truly only one race and that is the human race. Together, in this election we need to KEEP AMERICA FIRST and vote John McCain.

    Surely you see the battling ideologies in this pair of statements…

    Obama gets Booed from his own city of CHICAGO, ILLINOIS

    SOURCE. Ooops, sorry, got excited.

  • cf

    Sara Palin is a liar. While she claims she told the federal governement no on the bridge to nowhere, she campained for it while running for mayor. She vetoed the bridge, but kept the money. Tell the truth.

  • Miriam

    That makes her a liar, a flip-flopper and a thief. Nice, especially from a hyper-Christian! rather hypocritical.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Obama gets Booed from his own city of CHICAGO, ILLINOIS

    SOURCE. Ooops, sorry, got excited.

    I don’t think there’s a source, Jordan. I think your adversary simply meant to indicate that they hailed from Chicago.

    …So it’s even worse than there not being a source! [sob] It means that… oh no!… some of the four million-odd people living in Chicago (I can barely bring myself to say this) don’t support Obama! HORRORS!!!! How can his campaign possibly survive?!?!?!?!!

    Jeez, some people are dumb…

  • greg

    Is it just me, or does she have a HUGE head, and it’s kinda box shaped.

  • Heloise

    It’s Sarah palin comparison to Hillary.

    Because her name is pronounced just like “pale”

    Heloise

  • Claudette Moran

    Earlier this year, I was getting ready to relocate from the land of 10K Lakes for a better employment opportunity, live on my own, and hopefully vote for someone who was ready to answer the phone at 2am at the beloved White House. I have grown very tired and weary of the hate mongering and scare tactics that Minnesota Governor Pawlenty , Minnesota Representative Michelle Bachmann, Minnesota Senator Norm Coleman, GW Bush, and Dick Cheney have made our state and nation endure. Unfortunately, I was sidetracked and blindsided by my well meaning and loving family, who created scare tactics of their own. In order to attempt to straighten out this situation, I mailed to my sister, and her social worker friend, a colum written by Minneapolis StarTribune Columist Nick Coleman, who addressed some of the healthcare issues that MN Governor Pawlenty has administered towards the developmentally disabled that live in group homes, and depend on Minnesota Care for their health coverage to cover the costs of their medical and dental care, provided that they pay their monthly premiums on time. I myself, have used, and I am currently on Minnesota Care myself.
    In the colum, Mr. Coleman stated that Pawlenty’s compadres enforced some changes with the Minnesota Care program that forced the closure of a dental clinic that specializes in the dental care for the disabled that was located in Richfield, and made the clients go to a clinic in Minneapolis that is already having both financial and client problems as well. On top of that, these clients along with senior citizens receive a wide variety of monthly funds through a wide variety of Social Security programs. When the disabled client passes away, the money that was used by the client for the Minnesota Care programs has to be paid back to the state and federal goveernment.
    So, is Governor Palin ready to pay that money back when Trig passes away? What about his special education needs when he attends school? Both our state and federal governments have squandered the funds for special education on both levels. That is why I am questioning the truth about Governor’s Palin statements about being a so called “advocate for the disabled”, when both state and federal goverments have considered those funds as “wasteful spending”!
    I have always liked reading Mr. Coleman’s colums because he speaks for the underdogs and their issues. While I supported Hilary Clinton as a cadidate, I did not do it because of her husband’s record, and that he did provide a balanced budget and surplus when he completed his terms in office, and in spite of his infidelity towards Hilary. I did it because Senator Clinton spoke for all of us, including the veterans that need healthcare coverage when they have completed their duty for our country, the disabled that need healthcare, everyone who needs access to their social security, and human rights for gays and lesbians, and stop the discrimination against them as well. While Governor Palin stated that she would be an advocate for the disabled and their families, I question the GOP on how much truth there is to that statement. The reasons are as follows: the developmentally disabled work in sheltered workshops that Vocational Rehabilitation has created out of their limited budget.I worked in Social Services, and I know for a fact that there is waiting list to even be a part of that program, and all because our state and federal government has continuously squandered the funds for that program. Will Governor Palin’s son Trig even have access to that program in Alaska when he becomes of age? Our GOP will probably squander those funds for that program until there is none left to keep it funded. By the way, the veterans that are coming home from their duties in Afghanistan and Iraq with traumatic brain injuries and physical disabilities need access to those funds too, so that they can provide for their families as well. Remember the tragic stories about the lack of upkeep at Walter Reed Hospital? That is our government at work. My own family has continuously forced me to try to get into the Vocational Rehabilitation program over the past 21 years, even though I have lived and worked on my own, have traveled throughout the country on my own , and attended college as well. I have also tried my best to take care of my own healthcare needs as well, even though my family has disputed that time and again.Our nation is angry because of No Child Left Behind, and how detrimental it has been towards the education of our children. What about the closing of schools and libraries, lack of police and medical personnel,bridges collapsing, and bridges closed because of fear of collapsing, mistreatment of patients who need medical care in hospitals, or even being denied emergency healthcare because they had no insurance to cover the costs, and eventually dying in the hospital because of the neglect towards their emergencies. And our senior citizens are buying prescriptions from Canada because of how Medicare is being squandered as well. Women are tired of being denied access to birth control pills, because a pharmacist wants to preach religion to them about birth control acting as a form of abortion. I do NOT want to go to a pharmacy to have religion preached to me. I can go to a church of my choosing if I want to have religion preached to me. I do NOT need a pharmacist to preach religious beliefs to me. Our governor is a player of the veto card when it comes to sex education in our schools, providing funds to Planned Parenthood, and even providing birth control to students in our public high schools. And, on top of that, don’t forget about how our food stamps and medical care to unwed mothers was reformed during the Clinton administration. Is the state of Alaska ready to fund the medical care and food support for Bristol and her baby? Our state legistlature is already questioning how the funds of our food and cash support programs are being spent by people using these programs, and traveling to other states, and using their cards while they are traveling. I would rather live in a country that is able to provide healthcare coverage for everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, regardless of your age, disability, marital status and gender. And, I am so tired of Senator McCain preaching about how women should go to college if they want to have equal pay for equal work! To Mr. McCain, I am telling you that women already do that, and they have been doing that for the past three centuries! We want equal pay for equal work regardless of our gender and education status being questioned by our male collegues! And we want equal access to equal healthcare for everyone! And NOT just the selected few! As far as I am concerned, I am voting for an African American man, and a Catholic man. And I am not scared to do it either! Governor Palin and Senator McCain do NOT have my vote!

  • http://chimbles.com/mccains-best-choice-sarah-palin/ Chimbles

    Thats a bold move for republicans to nominate Palin as McCains running mate. It boggles my mind why they would abandon their trusted and majority voters, the religious southern folk. Are we suppose to believe that its kosher to have McCain cover those believing in Christian Values, and Palin going in totally other directions to scoop up the women and younger voters?

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Those last four comments are mind-bogglingly incoherent and dim-witted. Maybe 450 is about enough for this one??

  • Regina

    where did the her daughter learn to spit on her hand and rub it in her baby brother’s hair? Who’s raising these kids?

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Geesh, handy, for a moment I thought you were commenting on a Bush speech.

  • martin slade

    wow

  • martina landau

    I don’t see the appeal in Sara Palin. Her acceptance speech was not impressive. She made some very unpleasant commenmts. She doesn’t even have the experience of at least governing a state with a big city.
    I hope Americans don’t want more of the same; the economy is really struggling. Please, let us make an intelligent choice on November 4th.

  • del3

    Governor Palin really Rocks!

    She has the same positions, ideas and energy policies as Governor George W Bush. Hearing her nomination speech was almost as exciting as Governor George W Bush’s speech in 2000. When she is in the White House I know we will get the same thing we have gotten from a true American social conservative like George W Bush. It is good to hear she can continue the same platform of fixing Washington that GW promised in 2000.

    I also really admire how Governor Palin has the same executive leadership experience as Governor Mike Huckabee of Arkansas, she even has the same folksy way he does, and is dedicated to putting the rights of the unborn first before her country. I was really excited when Huckabee shared his fondness for squirrel meat to the viewers of the Daily Show, but moose stew that is even better.

    I was really impressed that in her speech she stated energy plans identical to what President George W Bush said in his State of the Union speech. Drilling is the only answer and then lies about supporting renewable energy.

    I also really admire her sarcastic insults they are almost as good as Mayor Giuliani’s, she is just as effective as Mayor Guiliani in mentioning 911 in every speech. I wonder if that is just a coincidence or a gimmick, having your son joint the army on 911, just so you can talk about 911 in every speech. It doesn’t matter the important thing is she can say 911 at every speech at least two or three times and we know her entire family is dedicated to supporting Bush and McCain to fight God’s War for another 100 years. Seeing how proud she is that her son will help continue the war in Iraq we know she probably expects you to send your children to fight God’s War also. I wonder if any one will be allowed to ask her about that between now and November?

    Governor Sarah Palin has the sarcasm of Mayor Guiliani, the leadership abilities of Governor Huckabee, the same policy ideas of Governor George W Bush and the honesty of Vice President Dick Cheney.

    She has all the same qualities as the people running Washington today. She has the same religious point of view, the same ideas and policies and plans for energy, the same support for the war in Iraq, the same lack of interest in economic or health care issues, but she passed the critical question about gays and the unborn, the two most important issues to every American. I don’t care if I have a job or not as long as Sarah is rockin’ in Washington with her husband the First Dude protecting the rights of the unborn that is all any American should care about.

    Republican VP Candidate Sarah Palin needs to answer a lot of questions from the American people before she earns the right to govern our country. The first question she needs to answer is what she thinks of President George W Bush and Dick Cheney. She really needs to explain what she thinks of VP Dick Cheney and convince the American how she knows what is wrong with the Washington that is being run by VP Cheney and why anyone should believe that she will be any different. Everything she has said so far sounds the same as George W Bush.

  • http://katzie Anne

    Sarah Palin would be a disaster as vp. She would cerainly be a disaster if she had to take over the presidency. Anyone who saw her speak at the convention knows how she lied her head off. The middle class will do much better with Obama’s tax plan (look it up) as will her sister’s new business.Does anyone have any idea how important community organizers are? They help people. This is not part of the republican agenda. If you are middle or low class they have no use for you. Palin is a religous freak who thinks the Jews in Israel got what they deserve. Her husband is a traitor who wants Alaska to form its own country. She left Wasilla in debt. She is terrible!

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    Anne-not to worry, all she has to do is rub her “what would Jesus do” pin, and all decisions would be made for her.

    god help us all

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Well, Jet, what WOULD Jesus do? I think he would do to Congress what HE did in the Temple. And if that’s good enough for Jesus, that’s good enough for me. America, put aside your differences and get on a new train. The train that heads to Washington, storms the Rotunda and says to Congress, “enough is enough!” Throw the money tables of the lobbyists out the front door. And, if lobbyists and PACs continue to donate money, force them to pay an additional dollar for dollar into a general election fund that opens up the door to other community activists to take a shot at the American dream. We can sit here and whine all we want but until there is real election reform, we’re going to get more of the same.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Forgive me if this one-liner has already been used here, but I just saw it on another site:

    Jesus was a community organizer. Pontius Pilate was a governor.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    I wrote an article on that very subject on my personal page Silas.

    However, as long as America insists on tied elections that are barely decided by maybe 5% majorities, nothing will get done.

    As long as Bush keeps threatening or actually vetoing everything out of this congress-nothing will be accomplished… and he’s having a ball doing it, because he doesn’t have to worry about being reelected.

    It’s the price we pay for a Republican President and a Democratic (barely) congress

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet

    The only response Handy is “oy vey”

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    And lest my last comment be taken the wrong way, let me throw this opinion into the mix, after so many hetero males felt the need to comment on Gov. Palin’s ‘hotness’ [or not, to a dissenting minority].

    For some of us, Todd Palin is by far the hottest spouse of a veep candidate in the history of our republic.

    This will not, in case you were wondering, affect my vote…

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    OK, so now the #2 item on Reddit is a story claiming that Sarah Palin’s response to Obama’s defeat of Clinton for the nomination was:

    “So Sambo beat the bitch!”

    Allegedly said in a restaurant in front of witnesses. Who didn’t think that much of it because many white people in Alaska speak in this fashion.

    This is either a disturbing made-up bit of slander, or a disturbing peek into less savory parts of the perky gov’s personality. Does anyone have any info?

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Jesus was a community organizer. Pontius Pilate was a governor.

    Pontius Pilate read the polls and decided he had no choice but refer the matter to Herod. He must have had Karl Rove as his personal advisor.

  • Miriam

    Since we’re talking about all things Alaskan, how do you all like the story of the anti-Semitic comments at the perky Ms Palin’s church? Supposedly she actually took a Sunday off that day and did not agree with the thoughts expressed…mighty convenient.
    Oh and contrary to statements in her speech, she DID not sell her plane on ebay. (go to CNN website if you don’t believe me)
    And, Troopergate gets more and more ridiculous by the minute. Is this an election or a trailer trash reality show?

  • Miriam

    AND….check this link out about how she allegedly got on an airplane from Dallas to Anchorage when her water broke with 5th child Trig. When your water breaks you are officially in labor. She and “First Dude” waited for her to give her speech and then boarded an Alaska Airlines to get home. The flight was 8 hours long. It’s my understanding they proudly admit to this fact. So what are we to make of this? Is she stupid, did she willfully endanger the life of her Down’s syndrome baby, and if so was that a passive aggressive way to change the outcome (a horrible thought)? That would make her either an idiot or a monster. Either way, she should not be a heartbeat away from the Presidency. And all you right wingers should remember McCain has had 2 bouts of malignant melanoma and so the possibility that he could die in office is a very real one.

  • Lolapete

    I am so tired of everybody’s bullshit and hype about this unqualified, earmark/pork spender that my anus has started to throb!!! How do I get you dumb ass people to see she’s an unqualified NOBODY who has done ABSOULTELY NOTHING as a mayor or governor that prepars her to be vice president!!! DID YOU DUMB ASSES NOT SEE THE FOOTAGE OF HER ASKING: “What does a vice-president do”?

    This woman has 5 rug rats (one w/special needs) and her ass needs to be at home raising them! Her absence is a good place to start in examining how and why 17-year-old Britol got knocked up!

    I am so sick of this BS about “A WOMAN CAN HAVE IT ALL”…or “WOMEN CAN SUCCESSFULLY RAISE FAMILIES AND MANAGE BUSINESS”. BULLSHIT! I am a forty something year old professional and business owner, and let me tell you, both areas (business and kids) have suffered tremendously. When I’m working, I’m thinking about all I should be doing for my babies. And when I’m with them, I’m burdened by thoughts of all I need to do for my practice! Don’t even get me started on finding a window of quality time to make room for my beloved husband…or my damn self!!! It—is—not—easy!

    I am just so tired of the bullshit that’s splattered everywhere I look and listen! YOU CANNOT have it funckin’ all! Somebody or something in the equation will always SUFFER a loss. All my girlfriends with children sentiments match mine. We all are constantly trying to balance the act of entrepreneur, mother, wife, lover and all the other titles and talents we’re born to balance.

    And don’t give me this shit about “SARAH PALIN WILL HAVE HELP….PLUS HER HUSBAND IS A STAY AT HOME DAD.” Blow! Do you know how different the nurturing, attention and care of a father is over that of a mother’s???? About as different as sugar and shit! In no way am I relegating the love and value of a father in his children’s life, but God only knows, the mother’s presence delivers an entirely different effect! Not only in the lives of the children, but also in the “FAMILY LIFE” AS A WHOLE!!!! Ever heard the phrase, “A HAPPY WIFE IS A HAPPY LIFE?”

    And for all you morons who continue to ask, “Why doesn’t anyone ever place this type of scrutiny on Obama”? Are you an idiot or do you just spend the greater part of your day on another planet??? In this country (and most around the world), the man’s primary role is that of the breadwinner! THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A STIGMA PLACED ON MEN WHO PUT THEIR CAREERS OVER THEIR CHILREN. Look at top-yielding corporate CEO’s and most of our past presidents – Reagan, Kennedy, Clinton, Bush…they all scarified a lot to run the nation. ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO SERVED TWO TERMS. If you asked any one (on a day they don’t give a damn about being “politically correct”) they’d probably tell ya they missed a lot in their children’s lives. And you know what? It’s not the big stuff, like prom, graduation and weddings…it’s all the little things you miss! Things where you just have to be there or you plain ole missed out! Stuff like first words, first steps, first tooth lost, first day of school, first boo-boo’s on the knee from softball. Missing those tiny things is how you come to wake up one day and find a grown child in front of you that you barely know!

    On the other hand, it’s much easier to find professional women (than men) who will actually admit to the loss created when they picked their careers over parenting and basic 9 to 5’s. Barbara Walters. Maria Shriver. Lucille Ball…all have been honest enough to publically admit the STRAIN their CAREERS placed on their marriages and children. One of the most honest admissions I’ve heard on parenting was from Oprah Winfrey. She said just witnessing parenting from afar; she could clearly see that mothering was something she could not balance OR FAIRLY EXTEND TO A CHILD with the type of career and empire she was endeavoring to build. It makes logical sense. Think about it! There is no way a person who travels some 300 days a year could give the same level of care and nurturing as a mother who works 9 to 5. I know this from living example! In my own life AND witnessing the plights of my friends who work 9 to 5’s. We all suffer (AND I DON’T USE THE WORD LIGHTLY) to give our children most of what they need financially, emotionally, mentally and socially! A woman who is Vice President CANNOT……I REPEAT…….CANNOT CONSISTENTLY give her children what they need FROM HER! NOR CAN A FUCKING NANNY or DADDY! A mom’s love is special and needed by EVERY CHILD! The children will miss out and so will she! It is what it is! So stop the placating and stupid mind fucks on how Sarah Palin will be the first to do it! It doesn’t make Sarah Palin a bad person, JUST DELUSIONAL AS HELL, if she REEEEEEEEEEEEALLY thinks her children won’t be affected by taking this position, one (might I add) that she is viciously unqualified or built to carry out.

  • mgoaxis9

    I think she should pose for playboy, not pose for vp

  • judy

    by the way..why wasn’t her daughter made aware of any birth control and the day of shot gun weddings should be a thing of the past. They are Kids for gosh sakes. Putting the baby up for adoption is also an option. Of course, Mommy and Daddy can pay for baby sitters so that the kids can finish school.

  • mighty aphrodite

    Judy asks, “…why wasn’t her daughter made aware of any birth control and the day of shot gun weddings should be a thing of the past.”

    *****It probably never occurred (to more than a few of you) that you don’t KNOW if Bristol Palin was using contraception or not….and that method failed. The basis of all the assumptions I’ve read are based on her mom’s political viewpoint – not smart. I have no way of knowing either way….and neither do smug posters

  • mighty aphrodite

    #468 – Might I suggest you take a deep breath, have a glass of wine and chill out? As I recall, Chelsea Clinton has turned out to be a very well-rounded woman and her parents were busy with his gubernatorial duties in Arkansas and then Washington DC. I think Sarah Palin is blessed to have a supportive husband who seems very family oriented.

    Speaking of Arkansas, for all of you who think Gov. Palin’s experience in Alaska is minimal at best, ask yourselves how President Clinton’s stint in Arkansas was different – – oh, that’s right, he wasn’t someone who bucked the “ol’ boys” network. And then we have the most world famous “community organizer” leap to state and national office. Not surprising, he didn’t do much to clean up, or expose, the corrupt Chicago political machine. I guess the work in those elected offices wasn’t very appealing as he couldn’t wait to run for something bigger and better.

  • Miriam

    Aphrodite,
    Boy you right wingers have an answer for anything just never anything coherent.

    Maybe Bristol was using contraception?
    Two problems with that:
    1)she wouldn’t have learned it at home or school
    2)as a result of #1, she did a piss poor job at using contraception

    As far as President Clinton….are you kidding me?He went to Oxford University…not five different universities in 5 years like Governor Palin
    AND
    he was governor of Arkansas for 10 years (78-88), having previously served as Lt Gov.
    Check your facts before you attack one of the best damn presidents we ever had. He gave us a surplus which your Texan good ole boy depleted to give us an astronomical deficit. Read up a little!

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    1)she wouldn’t have learned it at home or school
    2)as a result of #1, she did a piss poor job at using contraception

    Do you have any evidence to support either of these claims? Seems to me you leftists have an answer for everything, but as in this case they’re just pure speculation.

    Nothing about pentecostal christianity rejects contraception or instructing kids about sex and contraception. Not wanting to have sex education in schools is a position usually taken by those who would prefer to provide it at home. And they usually do.

    Plus all the evidence suggests that Palin is very much a common-sense Christian who doesn’t let dogma rule her life. I mean come on, she openly admits to naming her 11-year-old after a TV character who is a lesbian witch. That’s not going to fly at the Wednesday bible discussion group.

    Dave

  • Miriam

    She might have opted to name the kid after the lesbian witch after she tried pot while it was legal is Alaska but didn’t like it….LOL

    Anyway, I have no proof of what I say because I am not Sarah Palin…no one but she knows the whole story. However, she is a proponent of teaching abstinence in the schools….that’s pretty ignorant these days where sex is splattered on prime time, billboards, internet, etc. All I am saying is we owe our kids a little more. If we only say abstain then we are not preparing them for the possibility that if they have unprotected sex, they can contract deadly diseases. She needs to take her head out of the sand….learn from her own shortcomings as a parent. And YES if your 17 year old gets pregnant, you fell short somewhere as a parent. It doesn’t mean she is a failure. It does mean she needs to spend more time with her kids and less time running the free world. And before you say I shouldn’t be pointing out her private life, please realize that
    1)if she wants to be my VP, she needs to be squeaky clean.
    2)we still have freedom of speech in this country.

  • Sarah

    The bottom line is Mccain touted the importance of experience, of the vp being able to step in and take charge if something happened to the president.
    This is just not the case.

    And then he says how he put the country first, not the elections. Yet his pick isnt up to his own standards of what a vp must bring to the table. It doesnt seem to me like he put the country first here.

    Up to you to make your own opinion.
    If you want the other side of the story and what even some republican say while they think the camera is off, go to Sarah Palin Exposed.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    And YES if your 17 year old gets pregnant, you fell short somewhere as a parent. It doesn’t mean she is a failure.

    Tell that to the Virgin Mary who gave birth to Jesus at 14. Give me a break. You’ll grasp at any McDonald’s straw to make Palin out to be the present day incarnation of Satan.

  • Miriam

    not satan, Silas, just not worthy!

    As a good Catholic (but not a fanatic fundamentalist), I happen to believe that she was still a Virgin.

  • Miriam

    Yeah guys, check out that Sarah Palin Exposed website. It’s an eyeopener.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Why doesn’t anyone seem to care about Congress this year? Are we THAT stupid to believe that the President is the ultimate power broker in Washington? You’re all unwitting partners with members of Congress. They love the fact that the spotlight is on the White House. So, keep on attacking Sarah Palin. Keep on whispering nasty rumors about Barack Obama. Forget about the fact that Congress signs America’s check book. Forget about the simple truth that Congress is directly responsible for how our tax dollars are spent. These are all things we could have learned in a simple civics class at school. Then again, politically driven school curricula prevent our kids from learning the basics. I guess it’s more important to teach our kids how to be consumers and not patriots.

  • troll

    Silas – I’m not clear how you get the idea that people don’t care about Congress – isn’t it more that Congress has been so de-balled by the Executive branch and its own internal contradictions that people have lost ‘faith’ in its ability to get things done – ?

  • Miriam

    If we were to focus on congressional elections it would take away the focus from your weak VP-nominee and your ailing Presidential nominee. You guys would love it if we were to talk about the other elections. Frankly, I just read an article by Arianna Huffington who said the GOP put Palin and all her scandals up to distract people from the fact that McCain has no answers to our problems. And I must say she is a distraction with the allegations of her extramarital affair, pregnant daughter, illegal firings and allegations of anti-semitism and association with the AIP.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Miriam, you’ve cast your judgment upon me and so be it. But if you think that a President will bring the change we need you’re in for a rude awakening. Out of curiosity, just who IS your Congressperson and Senator? What committees do they sit on in Congress? And, out of curiosity, how much money have their campaigns received from special interest groups? Are you an informed voter about the individuals who directly represent you in Washington? Do you have any idea where their local Congressional offices are located? When you have those answers let’s have a debate. Until them stop making me out to be some McCain hack.

  • Miriam

    Don’t take it personally Silas. I am well aware of the fact that the President alone cannot bring change. But we need a change. I feel a democrat should be given a chance, especially since that would enhance the majority in the house. I am not addressing you personally nor am I judging you. I don’t understand why you think that. I do judge people who don’t think there’s a problem with the economy. My Congressman sits on education, natural resources and intelligence, offices two towns south of mine. I’ve actually campaigned for him. I have also campaigned for Bob Menendez, (who is one of my senators) since he was mayor of the town I grew up in…going back to early 80s. The other is Frank Lautenberg, who I have admired because he looks out for animal welfare and I am a veterinarian. I’m not uninformed Silas.
    You mention that we need campaign…but how are you going to change that by Nov 4? Will your candidate do so (not sarcasm, an honest question)?

  • Miriam

    sorry my last sentence should have read…”you mention that we need campaign reform”

  • Clavos

    I just read an article by Arianna Huffington who said the GOP put Palin and all her scandals up to distract people from the fact that McCain has no answers to our problems. And I must say she is a distraction with the allegations of her extramarital affair, pregnant daughter, illegal firings and allegations of anti-semitism and association with the AIP.

    This clearly means that if those two get elected, they will undoubtedly destroy the United States of America.

    Which is exactly why everyone should vote for them.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Kudos, Miriam. Frank Lautenberg, one of New Jersey’s finest. He comes in at #13 on my Senate Incumbent 100 list for this year having taken in $6,221,228 in receipts. And he received $0 from the FREDDIE MAC PAC. $4 million in individual contributions the remainder in PAC money primarily from environmentalists and animal rights groups. You’ve got a good Senator there.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Miriam, I’ve been reading McCain’s speech just to see exactly what he was proposing, and he has some remarkably good ideas there.

    On the McLaughlin report this morning the hardcore left talking heads were all oohing and ahing over McCain’s speech and commenting on how he had said a number of things they wished Obama had said first.

    Intriguing.

    Dave

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Which brings me back to the point that this is an election where there’s no talk of the lesser of two evils. Dave, we can say what we will but this is one time where I hold out the hope that regardless of the outcome, America advances.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Well, at least it won’t be the same old thing, unless Obama croaks and we get Biden.

    Dave

  • Miriam

    sorry Clavos, McCain/Palin won’t destroy the US because Dubya already beat them to it…couldn’t resist.

    And agreed, Dave and Silas, at least this one won’t be a lesser of two evils election.

  • HILLSBORO_OHIO_45133

    Sara Palin is more qualified to be President than Barack Sadam Hussein Obama, were are not even sure he is an American citizen yet are we! She is running for Vise President and I pray she gets it! God Bless you Sara Palin America loves you! Hang in there!

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Hillsboro Ohio – Diebold loves you! Now is Sarah in a local Ace Hardware Beauty Contest for VISE President? I became unglued and had to clamp myself back together.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    were [sic] are not even sure he is an American citizen yet are we!

    Sigh… yes we are. This one was thoroughly debunked weeks ago.

    Do pay attention up there in Ohio. I’m not sure McCain or Obama will even want your electoral votes if everyone there is as dense as you.

  • Clavos

    Get a grip on yourself, Silas!

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Isn’t that illegal in 14 states and Utah?

  • Clavos

    Only in church…

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Tell that to my childhood parish priest.

  • Miriam

    Dr. Dread,
    Went to veterinary school in Ohio…longest 4 years of my life 😉
    Miriam

  • Steve

    As for Palin, I am happy John McCain picked her. She will is wonderful and will help steer this country in the right direction…

    Go McCain….

  • bliffle

    Well, Palin would at least carry on the grand Bush tradition of telling cheer-raising fibs, like (the strong suggestion) that she sold the superfluous jetplane through eBay. Or that she got more votes than Biden.

    Another Grand Bush Tradition: busting the budget. When she became mayor the town had 0 debt, when she was finished they had a $9million debt which seems kinda high for a town with 6700 people.

    Oh well, she continues yet another Grand Bush tradition: earmarks. She got $27million in earmarks for her little town of 6700. (that’s about $4000 per person).

    Is Palin really the Bush clone?

  • terri

    Sarah Palin is scary. As far as being a Christian, she outright lies about Obama. Also, Christians generally attack gays and come out against abortion, yet say nothing about fornicators, like her daughter. The Bible speaks more about that, yet they are silent. Also, a shot-gun marriage would not be in God’s plan, either, being that both of them are too young to be married.

    She does not provide a good example to her daughter and didn’t instill good moral values in her.

    Does anybody have an answer, though, as to Christian values are emphasized, yet are basicaly silent about premarital sex, adultery, and divorce. Jesus also spoke out about divorce, yet most of the so-called Christian politicians have been married and divorced and are adulters.

  • http://www.sarah-palin-photos.com/ glenncz

    i see, Sarah was looking to be VP waaay back in the spring. That does add some credence to my very strong beliefs that Trig is not hers. The conservative right would much rather have her a mommy than have a wayward daughter pregnant. check here for facts & photos & pictures and make your own conclusions.

  • Jill G

    I am changing my vote for Obama to McCain after hearing Governor Palin’s speech and I am amazed at the audacity of the Democratic Party and the Media.

    For so many years they have been pushing equal rights for women and said absolutely NOTHING when Hillary was disrespected and mocked in front of the entire nation and then overlooked for VP nomination. Obviously, the powers that be in the democratic party never had any intention for a women to take on such a responsible position.

    They ridicule the one woman, Sarah Palin, who actually has a chance to hold the second highest office in the world. And look at Hillary; beaten down and answering “yes sir” to Mr. Obama while listening to Tammy Wynette. What a sell out!

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Actually Nancy Pelosi is a multiple war crime indictment count away from being President.

  • http://thesmokingduckonpolitics.blogspot.com thesmokingduckonpolitics

    So the former beauty queen, who has become the symbol of working mom’s, especially hockey mom’s with lipstick, in this country had nannies while her children were growing up. Supermom didn’t do it all herself, as we’ve been led to believe! But then again, most of what she has told us has been less than truthful, hasn’t it.

    Check it out… Christy was the nanny’s name. It is at the 3:17 mark of the video on You Tube.

  • http://thesmokingduckonpolitics.blogspot.com/ thesmokingduckonpolitics

    Search for You Tube video: The Sarah Palin Church Video Part One for the above post.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Careful now. I think we have another candidate that belonged to one of those “whacko” churches. And I think the pastor there was that Rev. Wright guy. If it walks like a smoking duck; talks like a smoking duck; then it must be an Obama supporter.

  • Miriam

    To Jill,
    How fickle…all over one little speech full of lies and insults.
    Trust me, she is no Hillary. That’s why many of us want her nowhere near the White House.
    At least allow yourself to watch her be interviewed or on the debates.

  • Anonymous Coward

    Kudos to SJ Reidhead for calling this one, Now after 10 days we can say that it has definitely gotten the conservative base motivated (as they now seemingly have someone even more Bushlike than Bush – folksy, clueless, and strong in faith – to vote for).

    I was locked in to vote for the Democratic Party no matter what (fairness dictates that after the Republicans have flubbed ownership of the presidency for the last 7 years, ownership of congress for most of the last 12 years, and ownership of the Supreme Court, that the other team gets the ball for a while).

    If only Sarah had been a more middle of the road progressive that didn’t go to an extreme church (most of us still think that speaking in tongues and supporting Jews for Jesus is extreme, sorry if that’s not PC), toe the extreme conservative line, and think that fiscal responsibility is something that happens to other people . . . you can’t represent change when you’re part of the problem.

    She would have been brilliant to replace Ted S. if the man would have the decency to step down.

  • rkf

    I always thought it was the American midwest, where guns and the bible met. That juncton has travelled north, to join up with the pork barrel capital of the Union.

    Barracudas and Pitbulls don’t make good ambassadors. All in All intellecutal midgets (Republian Ticket). Country first? My Eye!

    Family valaue hypocrits, environmental plunderers,

    Yikes

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    This is either a disturbing made-up bit of slander, or a disturbing peek into less savory parts of the perky gov’s personality. Does anyone have any info?

    Based on the left’s track record so far I’m betting it’s completely made up. They’ve gone out and found every crank in Alaska and they’re repeating every lie they’re told as if it’s gospel and then leaving it to snopes.com or factcheck.org to straighten it out after the damage is done.

    Dave

  • Cannonshop

    Dave, I have a Hypothesis…

    I believe, based on how many of these things have been debunked thus far, that what we’re seeing, is the result of sloppy research on the Left in this election, and having been caught flat-footed (no doubt having had ream upon ream of dirt on Thompson, Romney, Giuliani and Lieberman), they’re scrambling to play catch up and hoping that if they sling enough, something will stick.

    It’s just a guess, mind.

  • rkf

    Left foot, right foot, flat foot
    going to town, inside a box, upside down feet
    how many feet we meet

    it’s not about right foot or left foot, unless you want to hobble on one foot, and if you want to go in any direction at all, you need both feet pointing in the same direction, and hopefully hat’s straight ahead.

  • Miriam

    we don’t need to play catch up…you guys are just rebounding from RNC but wait till the debates and most importantly, pay attention to the electoral votes.

  • rkf

    Hillary would have made an outstanding veep.

    Unfortunately she showed poor judgment in continuing her campaigne against Obama, after it became clear she did not have the numbers to win. that has to do wiht judgement.

    I’m convinced having seen some of her Assemblies of God addresses that she will flame out once she gets off her script.

  • Bill

    This is long but worth reading:

    A note to all by Anne Kilkenny

    [This long letter has been circulating widely on the internet, has already appeared as a comment here at Blogcritics, and is likely to do so again numerous times between now and November.

    According to Snopes, the letter is genuine, but since the comments space is primarily for people to post their own words and thoughts, I have removed it and will do so again whenever it reappears.

    For those interested in reading it, it can be found in its entirety with an easy Google search, or here.

    Dr Dreadful
    Assistant Comments Editor]

  • rkf

    Good Work Anne

    America is taking leave of its senses?

  • June

    John Edwards isn’t the only U.S. politician who had a secret affair; John McCain has been having an affair with Sarah Palin for over a year, and the child named Trig is actually the child of John McCain. She threatend McCain about taking the details public if he did not name her as a Vice Presidential running mate; her ultimate intention is to be elected and spread the influence of Pentecostalism.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    June, if this is your entry in the National Start a Hairbrained Conspiracy Theory Contest (sponsored by Kellogg’s), I think you just won.

    Your prize of a year’s supply of free All-Bran is on its way…

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Sarah and Miriam (if you are indeed different people). I just checked out your ridiculous Sarah Palin Exposed website. It’s nothing but the same unsupportable smears, plus a comment section where any comment that tries to present the truth is deleted by the moderator. That you post the link erases whatever credibility you might have had.

    Dave

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    I believe, based on how many of these things have been debunked thus far, that what we’re seeing, is the result of sloppy research on the Left in this election, and having been caught flat-footed (no doubt having had ream upon ream of dirt on Thompson, Romney, Giuliani and Lieberman), they’re scrambling to play catch up and hoping that if they sling enough, something will stick.

    According to reports from Alaska literally hundreds of second-string journalists and DNC flunkies appeared in Alaska last week, hanging out in bars and on streetcorners asking just about anyone for any dirt they could make up about Palin. Not surprisingly most of what they’re getting is pure hearsay, but they’re still passing it on and it’s getting out to bloggers and getting circulated despite its utter worthlessness.

    The Kilkenny letter is a great example of the quality of the stuff they get. It’s mostly hearsay and one bitter woman’s opinion, and even the factual parts, like the book censoring business, she gets completely wrong. Kilkenny was there in Wassila. The book banning business is a matter of well documented public record. Yet Kilkenny totally misrepresents what happened and her version of events has been exposed as a complete fabrication, putting everything else she said in doubt as well. Yet here we still see people posting it as if it had some value.

    Dave

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    The whole thing is so sad, Dave. And how did you like Barack’s “slip of the tongue” on Stephanopoulus Sunday? Funny no one is talking about that one. Made the news all over Europe and the Arab World. The terrorists are celebrating the fact that we could have “one of those” Presidents.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Me thinks Ward gave June a wee bit too many Librium tonight, Beaver. Better get Eddie Haskell over there.

  • Inside Source

    Senetor Palin was only chosen for the womens vote. If Hilary was chosen VP for the democrates, McCain had another choice on hand. The reason Palin doesn’t step in front of reporters is because she is going through extensive training on how to answer all the questions she’s going to be asked. She is AMAZING at reading a speech!! But start asking her questions at this point she will fold like a beach chair. Sorry to disappoint you Palin supporters but she’s not the real deal!

  • Miriam

    Dave,
    I am not Sarah, but as I pointed out on your blogsite yesterday…back in March 08 you said (on this blogsite)that Sarah Palin was unsuitable but now reversed gears. What changed? Did she impress you because she speaks in tongues, or because she asked about banning books? Puts your credibility in question too, Dave 😉

  • Missy

    To the lady Terri and all the others that are being negative about Palin’s daughter ect.

    First of all a mother of 3 girls married 20+ yrs to my high school sweetheart– you can talk till your blue in the face a instill all the morals you WANT but those kids are going to make their own decisions… you just have to HOPE and PRAY they listened to what you have taught them but IF NOT then hopefully your there for them when they didn’t listen !!! A far as the Christian community goes … 1/2 the USA is divorced– its not just Christians — where have you been !!!!

    As far as Palin goes I think she’ll make a wonderful V.P. !!!

  • missy

    I have to get this off my chest too.

    Does anyone NOT remember that the President has to have the House of Representative and Congress to lead this country in what ever it is doing !!!! Whether its Bush or any other president they can’t just do what they want!!!
    It takes all three.

  • Miriam

    thank G-d for the House and Senate, especially if these two quacks win.

  • lena

    Sarah Palin scares me. Not because she’s irresponsible for contributing to overpopulation, or because she is wielding a gun on the cover of every political magazine this month, but because she has shown herself to be of the utmost in bad judgment. Yes, we know she kept her down syndrome baby because she’s anti-abortion, but did anyone hear about the eight-hour flight she took after her water broke just so the baby could be born in Alaska? Or how she thinks drilling up ANWR will have no environmental consequences? It’s great that a new mom can be a politician. I have no problem with that. I just don’t want this new mom to get anywhere near making a judgment call that will affect my life.

  • rkf

    Under the care of an overly-permissive or uneducated owner, Pit Bulls can become very dangerous dogs. Lipstick will do nothing to alter the characteristic of the breed.

    Barracuda at sea, a pitbull on land, help me with the air borne version, don’t want to insult the eagle.

  • Cannonshop

    rkf, the bird you want is “Shrike”.

  • Jake E Evans Jr

    This isn’t hard to believe, if you just look at Sarah Palin’e education. If you notice the media does not really speak about it. I immediately went to the internet to check out if she even had a college education and saw she supposingly graduated with a bacholars from Univ of Idaho. And you can tell that education is not on her priority agenda. She’s bragging about her 17 year old, uneducated high school baby, who’s having a baby and going to marrying an uneducated baby. And this is supposed to be the “average hockey mom”. ( She’s an insult, in my opinion, to today’s women society) And McCain is still talking about the Viet Nam War and trying to get revenge for what happened to him. Hell, the Viet Cong and every other enemy are here in this country now. That along shows she as well as McCain are out of touch.

    Notice how they and the me dia attack Obama and Michelle for being well educated and successful. And Obama talks about the need for education and how he wants to make sure the upcoming generations have the opportunity to attain the best education to be competitve in this world.

    Whitefolks didn’t want us to be educated back in slavery, because they knew that with education we would be a threat to them. They let us slip through, and now we want to be President of the United States .

    While she’s still raising kids like people back in the 50’s and 60’s and McCain is still talking about the Viet Nam War, the world has changed. Most average “hockey moms” and a good potential president candiates see the need for a good education to make it in today;s world.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Hey Jake, from reading your comment I can tell that education ain’t on your priority agenda either!

  • rkf

    Thank you Canonshop.
    Shrike it is.

    Some shrikes are also known as “butcher birds” because of their habit of keeping corpses. Australasian butcherbirds are not shrikes, although they occupy a similar ecological niche. Several African species are known as fiscals, derived from the Afrikaans term for the hangman, fiskaal.

    Pitbull on land
    Barracuda at Sea
    Shrike in the Air

    Sarah Pitbull Palin has been anointed of God
    baptized by cloven tongues of fire
    She speaks in tongues
    God’s mouth piece she is
    She will save your souls
    and take your tithes
    hallelujah Praise the Lord
    or is it pay the lady.

    we will pay

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Andy, that was just plain rude. And maybe worse. You have never spoken to Arch that way.

  • Miriam

    That’s the problem with being a redneck. G-d forbid someone insults the anointed ones, they feel the need to lash out like pitbulls (w/or without lipstick), picking on something as petty as grammar. Did you know, Andy, that “ain’t” is not a word? Did you not know that this is a forum for an exchange of ideas?

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Ain’t is in the dictionary and unless your a nun in my 7th grade english class you can’t stop me from using it! I did it on purpose. But it’s quite obvious that some folks just can’t keep up!

    I’m getting a ration of shit here for busting somebody’s chops that said “she even had a college education and saw she supposingly graduated with a bacholars from Univ of Idaho.“. This person can’t spell, and WTF is supposingly???

    But yeah, you women are right, let’s let someone that’s obviously not at the top of their class question the educaton of someone else…

    And Miriam, read the BC creed, “You’re Entitled To Our Opinion!” It’s a forum for opinions and the occasional idea. Nobody exchanges a damn thing around here except insults!

  • Miriam

    Andy,
    Understood. However, you could just be nicer; that’s a fact. We don’t need to insult each other. If the right and the left could engage in dialogue rather than insults, it could actually result in something positive. Now, I know that I’m being idealistic (no doubt because, in your view, I am a snobbish, well educated “urban” Northeasterner). But seriously, if someone insults your or my candidate here, it’s up to you to put your candidate in a better light and try to convince that person they are wrong. By tearing them a new a**hole or making fun of their grammar, you’re really not achieving anything other than immediate gratification. Lastly, I know about ain’t. I was teasing you.Smile!

  • Clavos

    Did you know, Andy, that “ain’t” is not a word?

    Yes, it is, though it’s not appropriate for use in formal writing. However, most of the writing in these comments is barely literate, let alone formal.

    Did you not know that this is a forum for an exchange of ideas?

    Sometimes it is. Sometimes it’s just a forum for shooting the breeze. Or punning. It varies with the whims of the commenters, and, except for personal attacks, is deliberately free-wheeling and unrestrictive.

    Andy’s been here for years. He knows what it is.

  • troll

    Miriam – be aware that Andrew files his teeth sharp and will take a mighty bite out of your ass if you get too close

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Well Miriam, that’s a much nicer response than yesterdays! Have I ever said you were a “snobbish, well educated “urban” northeasterner” before? I mean, I’m from the northeast originally. You don’t seem snobbish this morning!

    Have you ever tried to convince someone here at BC that they wer ewrong and succeeded?

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    troll – when I read that in “V” I started cracking up thinking back to when you asked me if I ever bit a barmaid on the ass!

  • Miriam

    Not scared, Troll.

  • Miriam

    My definition of “snobbish well-educated urban Northeasterner” was actually borrowed from an article I read, I think on bbc.com, by a gentleman who was proudly defining himself as a right wing redneck (his words) and went on to illustrate what a liberal was…using the words I said to describe myself. it was really a funny piece. I’m not always a snob, and I live in the burbs, though. Did I ever change anyone’s mind here…doubtful. Everyone (on either side) seems set in their ways.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Honestly, BC has changed my views on one or two things. Specifically, I can point to my view on same sex marriage. I was against it, before I was for it! And I have to say that my views were changed based on things I read here at BC.

    I actually wrote a piece on my blog recently about being a redneck. Being a yankee by birth, I can’t really define myself as a redneck, as the defintion says that rednecks are from the south. A friend from Mass, told me of a term born in Connecticut…Swamp Yankee…I think that one might fit me a little better…

    But honestly, I prefer, Ugly American.

  • Miriam

    what made you go anti-SS marriage?

    I really think redneck is a state of mind…but I like swamp yankee.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    I can’t really say, maybe that’s why I changed my mind!??! I wasn’t against the concept, just the use of the word. I was all for civil unions. I guess I realized how silly that really was?

  • Miriam

    So it doesn’t offend you if they live together but you don’t want them married?
    I’m trying to understand that concept. My mom and I got into it yesterday b/c she told me she is offended by gay unions. I asked her how it changed or impacted her life in any way. She couldn’t answer other than she is SUPER catholic.
    I’m obviously in favor and it’s simply b/c gay couples acquire assets, have kids and I feel that they should be able to be by each other’s sides if one of them is ill and hospitalized. There are many situations where one partner is sick and that person’s family will not allow the other partner to come to the hospital. To ostrasize the other partner is just heartless, IMHO. You can always make a living will to protect your medical decisions but you can’t always advocate for the rights of your partner to be there.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    That’s what I’m saying. I didn’t care that they were together. I didn’t care if they went to a JOP and got a civil union. I just had a problem with it being called marriage. After some lengthy “discussions” here, I decided that it was stupid (on my part) to fight over a word.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    A big kudos to Andy for
    a) being open to different ideas
    b) accepting that he was wrong and
    c) being honest enough to admit it.

    There you are, we’re not all just pissing in the wind here!

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    I never said I was wrong Doc…I said I was stupid! Big difference there pal! hehehe

  • Miriam

    Agreed, congrats to Andy for being open to new ideas.

  • Eve

    This lady has too much garbage for the White House.

    Jerry Springer Real Baby Daddy Drama.

    Click this link and tell me what you think.

  • Alicia

    I think McCain made a poor choice. She does not compliment his years of experience. He wanted to select a female for vice president, there were more choices to select from. Futhermore, as a career woman, wife and mother of one, I do not have enough hours in the day to spend the quality needed with my family. Imagine trying to run the country. I am neither republican or democratic. I voted for Clinton second term and Bush second term. There is no way she can be an effective mother while trying to be the vice president. I know that women want equal rights, but made us for a special purpose and it is to be a mother first. I plan on voting for Obama at this time. As a woman I beleive that woman are more emotional and our country needs someone that can give there undivded attention. I might would have considered McCain if he would have selected an older woman with adult children or even older children. Women out there you know it is hard to be a wife and mother. Her husband is attractive too. He will end up in the arms of a younger woman and women don’t act like you don’t know either. You know I am right.

  • Miriam

    Hi Alicia,
    I absolutely agree that he made a poor choice in selecting Sarah Palin but I disagree with your statement that a woman cannot be VP, with or without young kids. Some of us are really good multi-taskers. I have two young boys, a busy practice and a good relationship with my hubby. It is hard to be a wife and mother but it is something that can be accomplished with the right support from a husband, family, nanny, etc.
    I too am an Obama-mama, but for seemingly different reasons: I think Gov Palin has too much drama, not enough experience and is too far on the religious right. For that reason, I would not consider her but I strongly disagree that a working mom can’t have it all. Both Palins are good looking and may wind up being unfaithful…but is that really relevant?

  • bliffle

    What “years of experience” does McCain have?

    “She does not compliment his years of experience.”

    McCain has been on the government payroll most of his life. He never built a business, invented a product, met a payroll. All he’s done is loll around in the senate. Oh yeah, he spent about 5 years lolling around in a NVA prison, chatting it up freely with his captors, gabbing with commie journalists from all over the world, making radio propaganda broadcasts.

    What experience does McCain have? Wife cheating? Skirt chasing? Gold digging?

    He knows NOTHING about economics, by his own statement. He knows nothing about world affairs, thinking that Iraq and Pakistan share a border. Good grief! Can he find his *ss with both hands? It’s not obvious.

    Experience!

  • Clavos

    Good recap of Mccain’s experience (or lack thereof), blittle.

    How about one on B. Hussein Obama now? From your own POV, of course…

  • Jon_g

    As long as the person who wins the white house is white I am happy.

  • Mia

    To Jon_g

    “As long as the person who wins the white house is white I am happy”

    – I see that we still have IGNORANT people in America….

  • Jon_g

    Mia

    Did you just call me IGNORANT?

    Remember reading this?:

    “Personal attacks are not allowed. Please read our comment policy.”

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Jon_g – I don’t think it’s considered a personal attack if it’s true and your previous statement proves that it’s true.

  • Jon_g

    Ummm… okay

    But at least Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are real Amerikkkans!

    Drill Baby Drill!!!

  • Jordan Richardson

    Aw…

  • Holly

    Sara Palin’s disregard for wildlife sickens me. I’d like to chase her and her family across a snowy field, in a helicopter, shooting at them, and see how they like it. I think she’d change her views on the cowardly aerial hunting very quickly.

  • bliffle

    You mean John Manchurian Candidate McCain?

  • Susan

    Mia,
    You are IGNORANT! It’s people like you who keep racism alive. If you were smart like the rest of us, you would take the time to read up on both candidates and make an educated decision based on what they’re trying to do for this country as supposed looking at someone’s color. Let me also remind you that Mr. Obama is half white and was raised by his WHITE mother and grandparents.

  • Susan

    Sorry Mia,
    That last comment was for Jon_g

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    I hate it when that happens!

  • RobinRay

    I do not hold Ms. Palin in high esteem for being a mother – all women possess that capability. This would be like voting for the male candidate simply because he has the ability to contribute 23 chromosomes to the conception process.

  • Kwaayesnama

    DOES SHE HAVE THE INTELLIGENCE TO HAVE HER FINGER ON THE NUCLEAR BUTTON?
    YOUR LIFE MIGHT DEPEND ON YOUR CHOICE!

  • True American

    As a True American you should be a True Liberal at all times. You should be capable of loving others who are unlike you, even if they might come from countries that do not like us very much. You should be a true Christian! Beleiving that life is sacred and that abortion is a direct violation from a commandment from our GOD. So is killing our fellow animals on this earth as a sport (hunting). It is an unnecessary sacrifice of life given to this earth by our creator and sinful. You should honor an individual’s choice, and realize that the only job of the government is to support that individual’s choice, as long as it does not affect the choice of others. Provide us with unlimited options, ultimate choice to assist us in finding our God, or what we love and consider being our purpose. Therefore you may choose to hunt or have an abortion if that is your wish. It is not the government’s job to prevent people from sinning but it is their job to make sure no one’s actions or sins affect a citizen of who they are put there to govern. I am a True American and I am aware that The True USA will and has always been visible within the minds and hearts of those from the original 13 colonies of this great nation. And those true Americans outside of these 13 colonies acknowledge this. We need to do something quick to our electoral system which will correctly reflect their seniority. We are losing our country to the dumb and uneducated, new territories which haven’t fully matured and are filled with ignorant and irrational concepts. They have yet to embrace the ideologies left behind by our forefathers. I will pray for my country because I love her unconditionally. I never supported Barack Obama and was waiting for McCain to pick Romney or someone who can help with our economy; instead he picks someone who disagrees with him on just about everything as a sleazy political stunt. And in my opinion it was a bigger insult to women than Mr. Obama not selecting Hillary. Women are more than capable of becoming president or VP, but they must become president or VP, equally. I would expect her to be well educated, preferably law school and well versed w/ different people of different cultures since that is what America is. She should take the same road as the boys do, much like Hillary did, earned her respect. McCain said he’d rather lose an election than lose a war, well I’m thinking he may have to do just that. As a Man I lost respect for him and will now take my chances with the Harvard Grad and 30 yr Senator.
    -True American

  • http://www.whoispalin.net Jesse B

    She is out of her league. She will be perfect for the VP of a PTA.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    McCain has been on the government payroll most of his life. He never built a business, invented a product, met a payroll.

    Technically when he was a squadron commander he was responsible for seeing that everyone got paid, so he at least met a budget which included payroll.

    All he’s done is loll around in the senate. Oh yeah, he spent about 5 years lolling around in a NVA prison, chatting it up freely with his captors, gabbing with commie journalists from all over the world, making radio propaganda broadcasts.

    Bliffle, nice to see you’ve abandonned all pretense of being anything other than a partisan fanatic willing to spread the lie of the moment. I no longer have to pretend to take you seriously.

    He knows NOTHING about economics,

    And yet, knowing ‘nothing’ about economics when faced with the dilemma of what to do about the problems in Michigan he came up with an intelligent and creative answer which will actually help people. All Obama could come up with was a big fat bailout for companies which cannot be saved and for jobs which are obsolete.

    Dave

  • rkf

    But everything Sarah Palin believes in and practices is antithetical to Feminism which for me is part of one story — connected to saving the earth, ending racism, empowering women, giving young girls options, opening our minds, deepening tolerance, and ending violence and war.

  • bliffle

    Dave shoots wildly into the air and hits his own foot:

    “Bliffle, nice to see you’ve abandonned all pretense of being anything other than a partisan fanatic willing to spread the lie of the moment. I no longer have to pretend to take you seriously.”

    John McCains own words:

    US News And World Report May 1973

    I think it was on the fourth day that two guards came in, instead of one. One of them pulled back the blanket to show the other guard my injury. I looked at my knee. It was about the size, shape and color of a football. I remembered that when I was a flying instructor a fellow had ejected from his plane and broken his thigh. He had gone into shock, the blood had pooled in his leg, and he died, which came as quite a surprise to us—a man dying of a broken leg. Then I realized that a very similar thing was happening to me.

    When I saw it, I said to the guard, “O.K., get the officer.” An officer came in after a few minutes. It was the man that we came to know very well as “The Bug.” He was a psychotic torturer, one of the worst fiends that we had to deal with. I said, “O.K., I’ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.”

    I repeat: I would never have brought this up if McCain were not constantly trumpeting his supposed ‘heroism’.

    And the reason McCain refused early repatriation was because he would have been court-martialed if he had accepted. He was so advised by the US Ranking Officer among the POWs and at least 3 men before him refused for the same reason.

    I promise to never again mention McCains self-serving episode as a POW if he and his supporters stop pushing his invented heroism at us.

    Are you and other McCain supporters willing to promise to never again describe McCain as ‘heroic’?

  • rkf

    McCain was not even a good pilot. Flying an A4 Skyraider over Vietnam, and dropping bombs on the Vietnamese made him an “enemy combatant” in George Bush language, and ought to earn him a five year stint in Guantanam, no additional charge for a water board.

    “Navy pilot John Sidney McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

    His father John S. “Junior” McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe later becoming commander of American forces in Vietnam while McCain III was being held prisoner of war. McCain III’s grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.

    During his relative short stunt on flight status, McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.

    Robert Timberg, author of The Nightingale’s Song, a book about Annapolis graduates and their tours in Vietnam, wrote that McCain “learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn’t love it.”

    McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom.

    McCain’s second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. “Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula,” Timberg wrote, “he took out some power lines [reminiscent of the 1998 incident in which a Marine Corps jet sliced through the cables of a gondola at an Italian ski resort, killing 20] which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral.”

    McCain’s third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game.

    Timberg reported that McCain radioed, “I’ve got a flameout” and went through standard relight procedures three times before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain landed on a deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees.

    McCain’s fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain’s plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.

    McCain’s fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when McCain’s A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi.

    After being drug from the lake, a mob gathered around McCain, spit on him, kicked him and stripped him of his clothing. He was bayoneted in his left foot and his shoulder crushed by a rifle butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.

    After being periodically slapped around for “three or four days” by his captors who wanted military information, McCain called for an officer on his fourth day of captivity. He told the officer, “O.K., I’ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.” -U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain.

    “Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship’s name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant.” Page 193-194, Faith of My Fathers by John McCain.

    When the communist learned that McCain’s father was Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific, he was rushed to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable for U.S. POWs.

    The communist Vietnamese figured, because POW McCain’s father was of such high military rank, that he was of royalty or the governing circle. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured “the crown prince.”

    For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.

    “McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat,” explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs — the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. “Since McCain got 28 medals,” Bell continues, “that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys — grunts on the ground — who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I’m sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down.”

    For years, McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and collaborations with the enemy by exaggerating his military service and lying about his feats of heroism.

    McCain has sprouted a halo and wings to become America’s POW-hero presidential candidate.”

    sorry about all this space

  • MI

    I was flabberghasted to see Sarah Palin’s name for VP for such a powerful country;
    She has no credentials that qualify her for this role so now I am wondering if McCain used any intelligence to select her as his running mate;
    She thinks international travel ends with Mexico and Canada. She is a republican and didn’t have a clue about Bush’s doctrine and she didn’t have the guts to admit that she didn’t know what it was. I advocate everyone to vote so that we don’t end up with a president like Sarah Palin ( she is truly an election and heart beat away)

  • Thinker

    1.) What about family values? Oh this is her 5th kid. So what? You make it sound like at this point she’d be the perfect mother, able to handle the unimaginable stresses that the government dishes out (which you seem to be ignorant about – you may realize it’s difficult especially when people go against you but no, it’s so much more than that). She should be spending time with her kid! She shouldn’t be running for V.P PREGNANT (can you say miscarriage?? Hopefully she’s out of the first trimester at LEAST and if she KNOWS it’s a boy that’s even worse). This kid will get neglected by his/her mother while the whole world sees him/her as a poster child (watch Poster Boy, seriously.)

    2.) You make it sound like her baby is running for President. What does a cute little baby have to do with anything? You also sound ignorant, as if you don’t care about the issues, so long as people like her.

    3.) Is that 90% approval rating from the government or people? If the government then that might be because the majority this term just happens to be republicans with her views.

    4.) Britney Spears was publicized a few years after birth. Look how she turned out. And basically every other child star (Yes some actually did have loving parents. It wasn’t that!!) Don’t think her mother will have the time to deal with her now as the big V.P no longer Governor (which happened way after her other children were at that breakaway from Mommy phase anyway)

    How can you sit there and PRAISE this baby palin to be a poster child?? I just don’t understand it. You think everything will be perfect but odds are it’ll be messed up because of everything.

    5.) Nobody said that she can’t be V.P, she SHOULD be thinking of the child’s needs first though. Have the baby and then run for some government job while it’s 5 years old or so. One should NEVER have a baby under risky circumstances and I’d say this is one. Oh! Let’s take a risk she’ll be fine! But what if she’s not…? Do you care? You don’t think.

    5.) And lastly, to her conservative views. Is it not the most hypocritical thing in the world that a woman is pro-life. Well I’m not pro-abortion, I’m PRO-CHOICE!! What’s wrong with letting the woman having the choice to have an abortion. What if she was raped? She knows she won’t be able to give it a good life and doesn’t want to subject it to the many terrible conditions of living in a Adoption Agency (including the constant depression of rejection from parents)? There are good reasons and it’s the choice of the lady and nobody else. You can argue that you are killing God’s children but not everyone believes in God and we can not force that belief on people. Some people aren’t so extreme in their beliefs as to have the child every time even though they believe in God and are pro-life. We are not a Theocracy, we are a Democracy, so we cannot base our laws off of religion! If the person can morally accept the decision let them do it.

    Which brings me to the evangelist point. Which is what she is basically. And I don’t care what she says or thinks she’s doing, she was chosen because of her religious beliefs and accept to change the nation to follow her in them. In no way will I EVER elect a religious nut into the government because that does not help the greater good, that just appeals to their own religion which many people will have different views on.

    She doesn’t know what she’s talking about in the interviews, wants to drill in her own governed state instead of looking for alternative renewable resources and it keeps going like that. I don’t care if she believes in man-made global warming or whatever, but everyone can accept that oil drilling hurt our beautiful world, it’ll run dry eventually and it’s depleting our economy substantially so alternative energy sources is the smart choice, not drilling in Alaska and decreasing foreign dependence (yet she’ll probably still vote for the Chinese sweatshops any day…)

    Personal attacks are not allowed?? But in your article you called someone specific a Neanderthal. No name was required, it was still rude.

  • Thinker

    But I am not a woman hater or anything! I would have gone for Hillary but don’t worry too much about that because I didn’t look too much into what she’d do.

    It’s just that woman I think are better suited for government under the proper circumstances. They are more empathic than men, that’s a biological trait. Therefore, they can see much better what the country really wants and needs instead of men’s biological selfish thinking (not to be harsh, just biologically, they aren’t as empathic, that’s all).

    But if every person actually opened their minds, I wouldn’t have had to say that (I truly don’t believe in gender differences – of course biologically but if we understood our actions we’d really all just be human)

  • rkf

    The Thinker
    by Berton Braley

    Back of the beating hammer
    By which the steel is wrought,
    Back of the workshop’s clamor
    The seeker may find the Thought,
    The Thought that is ever master
    Of iron and steam and steel,
    That rises above disaster
    And tramples it under heel!

    The drudge may fret and tinker
    Or labor with lusty blows,
    But back of him stands the Thinker,
    The clear-eyed man who knows;
    For into each plow or saber,
    Each piece and part and whole,
    Must go the Brains of Labor,
    Which gives the work a soul!

  • chris owen

    Googling “sarah palin is nice” gets 22 hits (tee hee..), whereas googling “sarah palin is scary” gets 41,800 hits. Now that’s more like it, that’s what i call democracy!
    Chris in bournemouth, uk

  • Montana Rain Orlando

    WHAT IS SARAH PALIN EXPRESSISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Terrified for our country

    I do not believe that Palin has a healthy idea of how to raise a family, much less lead a country. She did not impart her values to her daughter. More importantly than that (because teenagers will do what they do), she did not teach her daughter how to take care of herself and be safe and healthy.

    She is running for a VERY time consuming office. It is my personal opinion that Presidents and VP’s have a greater than full-time job and responsibility. Don’t you think being a mother to a new-born (and a grandmother to a new-born) will take up A LOT of her time??? Time that should be spent helping our military, our youth, our elderly, our people! Either she is going to neglect her family or our country and I don’t believe that either option is acceptable!

  • bliffle

    Palin is unqualified to be VP because she is unqualified to be President. The importance of this disqualification has increased because of John McCains age and health history.

    Her political history is blighted with cronyism and personal vendetta. Too many of her decisions reflect personal prejudice and opportunism.

    Palin has never exhibited any learning or understanding of matters beyond the end of her nose. She has no demonstrated skill at economics or foreign affairs, two big issues that cry out for skillful management after the debacles of the current admnistration. Worse, she has never demonstrated any interest in studying and learning in order to improve her government skills.

    Palin has NOT used her time in office to broaden her skills and improve her effectiveness as a public official. Rather, she has used her opportunities to enforce her prejudices, to secure jobs for high-school cronies, and to enrich her colleagues.

    Palin exhibits NO statesmanlike qualities.

  • Annie

    Being from Alaska, and now knowing that Sarah Palin is the running mate for John McCain…I can officially say I’m scared! It’s true she hasn’t done anything wrong as a governor, she’s been doing fine…but she has absolutely no experience whatsoever, which is a given when you’re up for a position that could possibly be called upon to run the country. I am not dissing Governor Palin in anyway..I merely think she is unprepared, and that there are much more qualified people out there. Plus, I think the whole feminist aspect is ridiculous. People are now rooting for her merely because she is a woman. That is something I refuse to support. Politics should be about the people and the issues…and about the people who can and will make a difference. So therefore, no offense Ms. Palin, but I can’t allow myself to support you of Sen. John McCain.

  • Annie

    Also…after reading several of the comments, let me verify something for all of you who are not from up North. Being from Alaska does not make you tough, in fact, we have some real wusses up here. Just because Gov. Palin is from Wasilla doesn’t mean that she is well-rounded, wilderness-esque, or in anyway, a hero. She is a mother from Alaska, and although she has some political background, I would not say she is anymore qualified than my mother to be Vice President, who was also born and raised in Alaska. Being a hockey mom does not make her a superstar, and let’s hope to God that it never does, otherwise, our world will soon be run by Ice Dog moms.

    And may I add..Gov. Palin was runner up in the Miss Alaska pagaent. Not a winner.

  • Randy

    She will make a great V.P. Has much more exp. than Obama and I trust her much more than him.

  • Monty

    Dear Ms Palin or is it Mrs. Palin, but since we are close in age, I think I would rather address you as simply, Sarah.

    So, Dear Sarah:

    I am a 44-year-old mother of two small daughters. While I think it is wonderful that a second woman in the last 25 years is a candidate for Vice-President of the United States- let’s not forget Geraldine Ferraro in 1988 and several other women’s candidates for presidency, I must tell you that I am terribly concerned with some of your views on issues that are of utmost importance to me.

    Needless to say, I would also like to make clear that my views/opinions/feelings are in regards to your politics and not you personally. Although, I do believe that one’s character do play a large role in making this person worthy of holding public office and in my opinon, matters in my personal choice. So, yes, I would like to know more about you. The problem is the more I learn about your politics and world views, the less comfortable I become with your being our second choice to be commander-in-chief.

    These are issues of utmost importance to me: family values/sex education; research and development of renewable/alternative energy; improving the US diplomatic stand in world affairs and putting an end to the Iraq War along with decreasing our presence in Afghanistan.. Of course the state of our economy is also very troublesome.

    Here is what concerns me about your position on these issues Ms. Palin:

    – Your professed stand against sex education and birth control. To be fair, I do agree that the your teenage daughter’s pregnancy is her business, however, I find it terribly troublesome that you are against sex education when teenage pregnancy is a serious problem for low-income/minority young girls who unlike your daughter won’t have enough resources to help them cope with such an overwhelming situation. I was 38 when I got pregnant for the first time. I was married and it was hard, so I can’t imagine what it like to be a teenager, with little to no skills, often times alone and with no place to go. For the record, I have had a cousin who gave birth at 14 and I had another who chose not to initiate her sex life at 17 so she could pursue her studies and today she is an M.D. and engaged. I will level with you and be very honest, as if I am talking with a girlfriend or a fellow female who struggle with such issues, it terribly concerns me and
    irritates me when people like you who are role models for millions of american- male/female- whose political party profess family-values and the right to life while you have an unwed teenage daughter. This whole situation reminds me of when Britney Spears’ 16-year-old sister, Jamie Lynn got pregnant. What will keep some girl, who does not have enough resources to even support herself, from thinking: Well, if the vice-president’s daughter can do it, so can I. Why aren’t we able to give our daughters choices, educate them sexually so they can see- as my second cousin did- that having (unprotected) sex early is not only dangerous and also will sidetrack them from doing a lot with their lives. Please, I am not even touching on the abortion issue. I value a child’s life as much as you, but I believe in prevention, so why can we offer teenage boys and girls a chance to learn about their sexuality – for sex happens- and empower them with knowledge, so
    instead of having to increase their reliance on different kinds of welfare, they will rely on themselves. So, while your daughter’s life is her own and she should not be brought into the media, I wish that you would make teenage pregnancy/sex education a priority on your platform either as vice-president or governor of Alaska. Knowledge is power

    I am a firm believer in investing in renewable energy and alternative sources. Contrary to what many conservatives may think, I believe that global warming exists; it is a real and dangerous problem that will affect all of us. It has already affected. An MIT professor has said that global warming will be responsible for increasing the force of hurricanes- category 5- in the years to come. Sadly we watched the devastation of New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina. Contrary to what President Bush said at that time: Brownie did not do a heck of a job as head of FEMA then. IKE brought its ire from Haiti- which was a mud cake according to eyewitnesses- to Texas.

    On the same day that your party held its convention and chanted “Drill, Baby, Drill”, an ice-shelf the size of Manhattan fell. My God: am I the only person concerned about this? That if we don’t switch from drilling to finding alternative sources of energy, we may all end up drowning some day. Maybe not you or me, but our grandchildren. So, I beg to differ with you, the chant should be, “Drown, Baby, Drown” and not “Drill, Baby, Drill”.

    I would like to take you back to your speech at the Republican Convention. You offended me right off the bat with your joke about comparing a hockey mom with a pitbull. I did not think it was funny at all on many levels: If being called a pitbull when cheering for my child at any sport means that I display or encourage aggressive behavior, then I think that we are doing our children a disservice and teaching them the wrong values. Sportsmanhip means respect and tolerance. One can cheer enthusiastically for his or her child but that enthusiasm ought to have limits, given that sports are inheritably aggressive, particularly hockey, and when parents have killed one another in the locker room, in front of their children because of a game. At the end of the day, it is just a game. So, I am not particularly fond of pitbulls or am I happy to be compared to one. Furthermore, I don’t wear lipstick at all. So, I guess, I could not relate.More than being a
    hockey mom, I am first and foremost, a mother.

    Speaking of lipstick, does it bother you to cry sexism or pull out the gender card when it suits you but not when you do it to others, such as with your joke. So, it is ok for you to call yourself a pitbull, but if the opposition does that, they are being sexist. As a highly educated woman, a former professional, who has chosen
    to stay home for the past 7 years, I find your party’s tactics to call its opponents’ remarks of “lipstick on a pig” sexist as offputting as I found your remarks.

    As I mentioned earlier, I did work outside of the house for close to 20 years before I quit – or lost my jobs due to 9/11- to raise my 2 small daughters. In the meantime, and going as far back as over 20 years, I do volunteer work in my community and my children’s schools. This work has been a cornerstone of my involvement and help towards others -especially those less privileged than me. So, to hear you imply in your speech that community work does not carry responsibilities made me cringe. Girlfriend, get it with the program. I have as much responsibilities in my involvement in my children’s lives and work in and out of my community as you do with your job as a small -town mayor/governor/vice-presidential candidate. It may not earn me money or be glamourous, but it is fulfilling and important. While I know that your comment was aimed to jab Senator Obama’s past experience as a community organizer, you also manage to offend a boatload of people-
    male/female regardless of political affiliation- that does this kind of work out of the goodness of their hearts, donating what is most valuable to them, at least to me right now, my time.

    I also felt particularly offended by the shot of you and your small daughter standing by a bloody, dead moose. I am not a card-carrying NRA supporter. I do believe in gun control. But in one word, your standing next to poor, ol’ Rudolf was tasteless.

    There are still a lot of unanswered questions about your character. It bothers me a lot that your husband Todd is not responding to subpoenas regarding the dismissal of your former brother-in-law. This matters a lot me. I would like for the truth to come out and how you handled that situation- whether what we hear is right or not- will speak volumes of how you may handle things in the future on much larger scale. So, my thinking is: why isn’t the “first dude” responding to the subpoena? If you’ve done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear. Not responding or not coming clean does leave a bitter taste in our mouths.

    In sum, while I think it is wonderful that another woman is having a chance to run for high office, I also believe that you are not choice for that position. Not because you are a woman, but because your lack of experience, of tact or demonstrated work in the world arena- as Joe Biden’s- terribly concerns me. I wan the vice-president to have more to say about world events than the fact that he/she can see Russia from Alaska. Maybe I just don’t get your sense of humor.

    Good luck and may the best candidate win.

    Monty, A concerned mother.

  • Miriam

    To Monty,
    She offended me on so many levels and in addition to what you said, she offended me by comparing herself to a pitbull. As a veterinarian, I treat loads of pitbulls and I love them. I also own an awesome pit mix….those dogs rock. Sarah does not :-)

  • Jenn

    I am deeply concern that McCain and Palin could end up running our country. Besides the fact that McCain owns 10 homes and his wife has spent as much as 300,000. on a dress claims to be a non elitist bothers me. I am trying to figure out if hes just flat out lying or if he is so out of touch with real life that he truly believes owning 10homes is a middle class accourance. As for Palin,she has no foreign policy experience. The only thing I could find on her knowledge of foreign policy was a quote she gave the local bussiness paper referring to how the surge was going or her opinion on it she replied with I heard it was going well on the news?!?!?! And she was clueless as to what the Bush Doctorin is?!?!?! Call me silly but I think if you’re going to say your qualified for the second highest political office in our country, an office that has so much responsibility on foriegn policy you should know more about that policy than what you see on the news.

  • Cannonshop

    Jenn, please elucidate for the audience…

    What IS the “Bush Doctrine”?

    seriously, if it’s such common knowledge, you should be able to recite it with links to non-partisan sources without hesitation. One official, non-partisan source is sufficient provided it can be shown to be, (as the Monroe Doctrine is) a government document.

    The library of congress website or the congressional record would be sufficient, OR a listing of relevant Executive Orders. thanks. Otherwise, you might want to reflect on whether Mr. Gibson’s “Gotcha” question wasn’t a red-herring, hmm?

  • rkf

    Bush Doctrine?

    I am not capable of defining Bush Doctrine in a non partisan manner. Also vry difficult for me to do in civilized language.

    The results of 8 years of “Bush under God” doctrine are pretty clear.

    militarily exhausted
    finacially bankrupt
    civil liberties eroded
    international reputation eroded
    as at the end of this week you have all become socialists, the antithesis of what this doctrine was to achieve, and without any of the social umbrellas such as health care that are supposed to come with socialism

    so my definition of Bush Doctrine in polite civil language?

    preemtive suicide march

  • rkf

    “anticipatory self-defence.”

    truth is noboddy really knows what the Bush Doctrien is.

    In my own personal view, its just another version of “in posseion of an exclusivity of truth” or “annoinited by God” evidenced by “if you ae not with us, yo are against us” or further evidcned by “the axis of evil”

    enuff enufff

    t summarize: it is not a doctrine, simply the manifest of a despot

    enuff eniufffffff

  • rkf

    should read “manifesto or credo of a desprado or despot”

  • Rui

    Mcain was screwed once he chose Palin. Honestly, I think that most of the publicity she gets is around her pregnancy. It’s almost as if, just because she’s pregnant, she has supporters, because other moms feel like they can ‘relate’. Psh, if a dude could get pregnant and run for vp, I wonder if he would recieve the same amount of support as Palin is recieving.

    The woman thought, obviously is inexperienced and when asked some questions that she obviously does not know the answer to, she bluffs and tries to come up with some ludicrous answer. I don’t really think the woman has it in her to be vp.

  • rkf

    Rui
    Is Sarah Palin pregnant? She justhad a baby, a special needs child. Surely you jest. Tell me it isn’ so.

    Again, surely you jest.

  • Clavos

    He’s not jesting, and don’t call him Shirley…

    Ta-dum.

  • Cannonshop

    So, Rkf, would you agree then, that it’s not much of an issue if someone can’t answer a question about a nonexistent thing in a way that satisfies the questioner?

    Shouldn’t our Press be asking candidates to answer questions rooted in the real world, and not fantasy? what’s next, protected status for Dragons and Unicorns? Ethical standards for practicioners of Wizardry? Compensation for The victims of curses? Heresy trials? (no, I know, the last one’s already on the way-heresy against the Church of Global Warming may well end up being enshrined in law.)
    Palin couldn’t answer a question rooted in a fantasy. That isn’t a reflection on HER as much as on the questioner.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Folks, I just wanted to let you know the long post Sherri put up has been posted all over the net tens of thousands of times. I thought we could do without our own cut and paste copy so deleted it. Logically posts responding to it had to go to. sorry if this causes any confusion.

    Christopher Rose
    Blogcritics Comments Editor

  • Cindy D

    Cannon,

    RE your church of global warming comments. I can’t seem to find the thread where you discussed this in detail. I’ve been meaning to go back and argue with you there for a couple days now. If you reply, can you give me a link?

    In the meantime, here is a site you might like to take umbrage with.

    IPCC (surely you’ve heard of these guys)

  • bliffle

    Church of Global Warming? Some people wouldn’t have any arguments at all if they couldn’t create strawmen with which to do battle.

  • Eve

    Great clip. YouTube – RNC & Sarah Palin.

  • Jordan Richardson

    I swear to God, this is a banner day here…

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Why’s that then?

  • rkf

    and who’s doing the big corporate bailouts?
    and who has turned America into a socialist state?
    none other than the RPC.

    its clear that the deregulation of the financial services sector was a collosal failure dwarfing the deregulation of the energy sector

    so we’re all in the glue thnks to 8 years of Bush doctrine

    happy happy happy

  • Cindy D

    Thanks for that video Eve! I particularly loved that ending.

  • Lucy M. Borik

    Sarah Palin as vice president is frightening. The old geezer McCain displayed an enormous LACK of good judgement. He needed Sarah Palin to jazz up his compaign which was dying on the vine. What does Palin know about foreign policy? Will McCain’s lackeys be there coaching her when she meets with heads of foreign states? Scarey, isn’t it?

  • Lucy M. Borik

    Sarah Palin as vice president is frightening. The old geezer McCain displayed an enormous LACK of good judgement. He needed Sarah Palin to jazz up his compaign which was dying on the vine. What does Palin know about foreign policy? Will McCain’s lackeys be there coaching her when she meets with heads of foreign states? Scarey, isn’t it?

  • accuracy

    Everyone seems to be concerned about whether Sarah Palin is qualified to be President. Well – she isn’t running for President, is she? If people were satisfied enough with the possibility of Dan Quayle becoming President, how bad can Palin be?

    There are many women in this country who are, in fact, anti-woman. Those women are also anti-Palin because she isn’t ugly, rude and lesbian.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Daniel Miller

    Cindy D,

    I don’t know to which Church of Global warming piece you and Cannonshop referred. However, here is a link to a possibility.

    Dan(Miller)

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Daniel Miller

    Whatever her failings may be, one hopes that Governor Palin knows a bit more about U.S. history than does Senator Biden, who asserted during an interview with Katie Couric

    Part of what being a leader does is to instill confidence is to demonstrate what he or she knows what they are talking about and to communicating to people … this is how we can fix this,” Biden said. “When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the princes of greed. He said, ‘look, here’s what happened. (emphasis added)

    For those who don’t recall, the market collapse occurred (a) before FDR had become President and (b) before anyone went on television to address the nation. Oh well. FDR doubtless sent out numerous e-mails on the same subject.

    Dan(Miller)

  • Cindy D

    Ah so that where Cannon got the name!

  • Chloe

    I didn’t know too much about Sarah Palin, but found it interesting to learn about what Alaskans think of her. There is a website called earfl.com that has been collecting perspectives of Alaskans – all in audio form. Here is one I liked in particular.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Daniel Miller

    Cindy D,

    I don’t know. The phrase has often been used. Actually, in the text of the article, I called it the Church of Global Smarming.

    Cheers,

    Dan(Miller)

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Daniel Miller

    Baronius,

    Oh come on. Be reasonable. It all depends on how one defines the word “racism.” I mean, you know, exactly what does “is” mean, you know?

    I am sure that the ancient Egyptians were not in the least racist when they enslaved the Jews which, as I vaguely recall, may have happened before the 14th century.

    “Racism” has been around ever since people encountered others of different races. Slavery is one manifestation, but there are others.

    Are there elements of “racism” in Black Liberation Theology? Of course not, if one defines either term to exclude the the other.

    Dan(Miller)

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Daniel Miller

    Christopher,

    Good work (Comment # 601)! However, I would call your attention to comments 609 – 617, which are with a few but insignificant exceptions identical.

    Perhaps the BC spam filter could use some tweaking. Every comment I tried to post as “Dan Miller” a few weeks ago got rejected at the preview stage as Spam. Having my IP address changed did not work. I finally found a work around, by posting comments as I now do. It was rather frustrating.

    Dan(Miller)

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Hi Dan,

    Akismet filters out spam, not duplicate comments. Dupes have to be deleted manually and I was off duty for a little while. All tidied up now though so we live to fight another day.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Daniel Miller

    Christopher,

    Again, good work. As to the second part of my comment (now #619), I tried multiple times to preview it (like a good little boy), and things went off into the aether. Then, I posted it without previewing. Worked like a charm. There is a problem somewhere, but I haven’t the foggiest idea what or where.Ditto this time.

    Dan(Miller)

  • Don Jarrett

    Why Isn’t New Mommy Sarah Palin Qualified To Be Vice President?

    She has stage fright when she is without “Daddy McCain” and a friendly audience.

    So she is cramming “A Dummy’s Guide to Becoming VP”

    One thing it tells her is she should get a photo-op with Henry Kissinger and other empty suits.

    What did ‘Henry der Killer’ advise her?

    Will it help?

  • OMG!

    Have anyone looked at this woman’s CV???
    Once you have, then I ask you ” Do You Think Sarah Palin Qualified To Be Vice President?”

    All I ask of you is think about your answers.

  • bliffle

    Of course she’s unqualified!

    She was a momentary sensation that McCain used to create a temporary furor. Now that he’s finished with her he’s thrown her aside. Just like his first wife.

  • Cindy D

    OMG,

    I’m with you.

    When asked why she cited Alaska’s proximity to Russia as part of her foreign policy experience. She replied:

    I mean that “Alaska has a very narrow maritime border with Russia.” Wow Katie, didn’t you know that? Duh!

  • Cindy D

    McCain Camp insiders say Palin “clueless”
    Capitol Hill sources are telling me that senior McCain people are more than concerned about Palin. The campaign has held a mock debate and a mock press conference; both are being described as “disastrous.” One senior McCain aide was quoted as saying, “What are we going to do?” The McCain people want to move this first debate to some later, undetermined date, possibly never. People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is “clueless.”

    Sounds about right to me.

    Link

  • Cindy D

    Anyone who, having seen the Katie Couric interview with Palin, still defends her as a viable candidate for VP simply has no credibility.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Daniel Miller

    Here is a link to parts of the interviews, on both CBS and ABC, “edited” from the televised Governor Palin interviews. According to the article, some rather significant stuff was also deleted from the “official” transcripts.

    I wonder why.

    Dan(Miller)

  • bliffle

    Meanwhile, McCain himself has been shooed away from the DC conclave to deal with this Paulson proposal.

    Both McCain and Palin are discrediting themselves.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Dan, you still have to deal with the awkward cluelessness of the remainder of the interviews. And the link you provide reads like a paranoid conspiracy monger. CBS and ABC didn’t have to do any editing to make Palin look like a ditz.

    But apparently nothing will convince you or some others that Palin is way below minimally qualified. Just as nothing will convince me or some others that she is worthy.

    It’s not because she’s conservative. [That’s also a reason to oppose her, but it’s a separate issue.] Imagine someone smart and articulate in the nomination: someone equivalent to Jeanne Kirkpatrick, or even [gag] Laura Ingraham. The vast gap in ability to speak in complete sentences and engender confidence is pretty apparent.

    Or apparently not, to many right-leaners on here and elsewhere. I find it inexplicable.

  • Miriam

    I can’t wait till that Veep debate. Biden will eat up that tasty little dimwit. But no one can change the minds of the brainwashed right.
    Luckily the rest of us are growing stronger every day and McSame’s ploy to “devote himself fully to the economic crisis” didn’t really fool anyone. Go figure, we’re not as stupid as he thinks.

  • rkf

    I saw part of the interview with Katie Couric; she really does complement McCain.

  • Franco

    #627 — Daniel Miller

    That is a very interesting link you provided. I wonder now too.

    Frist she gets ad hominem attacted for not coming out and doing interviews with the MSM

    The when she dose, they cut out most many of her best answers for the publish transcript.

    Luckally from the sloppy editing we still have access to some of her best answers.

    Cindy D, have you checked this out?

  • Miriam

    rkf-
    I have to agree w/you, she DOES complement McSame…dumb and dumber.

  • rkf

    I agree with Miriam, “my mind is made up, don’t confuse me with facts” the gun toting bible belting fundamentalists care only about someone’s “alliegance to their doctrine”

    I watched the presidential debate last night, and what stood out for me namely:

    Barak, seemed to me, held back on his fire power. He left the “old man” standing. It was clear to me that he left him standing because he wanted to leave him standing. The debate raters will give McCain lots of points, and subtract from Obama for not going for a kill.

    Far as I know the debate was to be about foreign policy, which was supposed to be McCain’s strength, and Obama’s weakness, on that count McCain was a toal disaster. On that count he is a Bush clone. McCain still has his head buried in Viet Nam, he is still angry at the American people for not letting him Win the WAR in Nam, another war that could not be won. That is why he has to stay in Iraq forever, till the last dog dies, and the country is broke, war weary, and exhausted, but the fight must go one.

    I think the journalists are missing something. I think this election will be won by the candidate who can best portray his ability to re-build the American international image. America needs allies, and McCain’s derisive, condescending mannerisms, were out on display last night for all to see.

    All Obama had to do was to demonstrate that he was not cannon fodder, that he can think on his feet, and will not fold under pressure, “that he is not a wuss”. Again, he did not take out McCain, because he didn’t want to inflame the right. He didn’t do it because he didn’t want to do it.

    How does this relate to Sarah Palin? It’s clear by now that once Sarah Palin’s is defrocked, there will be only one question in the minds of mainstream America, “The only way we can be certain that Sarah, will never occupay the oval office is to vote make sure her partner is not elected to office.

    In effect McCain has handed Obama an Improvised Explosive Device, in a gift wrapped package. It will go off, and it won’t be triggered by Obama, he’s much too smart for that. It may be Joe Biden, or she may do it on her own.

    Again, Obama did exactly what he intended to do, simply remain standing, the rest is up to Sarah, she will not dissapoint, from what I’ve seen of her.

    enufffffff

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    Dan, Biden is up for VP not a slot on my Trivial Pursuit team, unless you are going to hold McCain to the same standard for his Spain gaffe

    btw, while you are busy wondering about other matters, how about wonder why the McCain campaign refused to allow Palin to appear on any channel to offer spin on his behalf after the debate. That speaks volumes to what they think about her.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Daniel Miller

    El Bichio,

    Yeah, I know. Senator Biden is running for VP. I seem to have read that somewhere. I don’t know to what your comment #635 made reference, but if it was to my comment #627, so is Governor Palin running for VP. I seem to have read that somewhere as well. Apparently, Senator Biden in running on the Democratic Party ticket, and Governor Palin is running on the Republican Party ticket. At least I think so.

    Perhaps some folks think that whether FDR was President in 1929, in what year the Wall Street crash occurred, or whether TV had a sufficient audience in 1929 to be a useful medium to address the nation are solely interesting in Trivial Pursuit games; however, I would hope that our “leaders,” even those running for an office labeled “a bucket of warm” of something or other might know. Maybe whether the reference was to a bucket of warm spit or bucket of warm piss might be a good Trivial Pursuit question.

    Someone on a different blog site suggested that candidates should have their own TV camera crews at interviews recorded for later broadcast, so that perhaps the editing process might be less slanted and so that, should it be slanted, it would be easy (well, relatively easy) to fix. I think that would be a good idea.

    As to why the McCain campaign refused to allow Palin to appear on any channel to offer spin on his behalf after the debate I don’t know that that was the case. Perhaps she is busy getting ready to debate Senator Biden — I mean, you know, trying to memorize a list of Presidents or remember which house of Congress Constitutionally initiates spending bills, tough technical stuff like that. Perhaps she is brushing up on the location of Chicago, or who was President during the Civil War. Or, if she was not “allowed” to appear, as you contend, perhaps it was thought that there were enough whirling dervishes around and that she had more meaningful things to do.

    Dan(Miller)

    spins off into the setting sun, tot of rum firmly grasped.

  • Cindy D

    I listened to both Part I and II of the Couric Palin interview on the CBS site.

    Both of those items which are claimed to have been omitted, I heard right on the CBS site.

    Dan, that article links back to CBS claiming that those responses are omitted on what it calls “the official transcript.” It does not claim that they were “edited” from the televised Governor Palin interviews.

    Well, the entire interview was not actually placed on the CBS as a “transcript”. If you want to see the entire interview you have to watch the video.

    So, these responses were not eliminated from the video, merely, they were not transcribed. Only a fraction of the interview is transcribed on the site.

    Franco,

    Hope that helps.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Palin performed horribly. She was hesitant, a little uneasy and didn’t seem to have a complete grasp of the way Washington operates. That’s a welcome change from what’s there now.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “I don’t know that that was the case.”

    Of course, the #2 on the ticket, the person who is supposed to be the attack dog, on one of the most important nights of the campaign had better things to do.

    You did get one thing right: you are spinning.

  • rkf

    John McCain and Sarah Palin go to great lengths to paint themselves as mavericks. I will admit to agreement with McCain one issue only, and that is the fact that his choice of Sarah Palin as his veep was the decision of a MAVERICK, in keeping with both U.S. and Canadian dictionary definitions of the meaning of the term namely:

    mav•er•ick (mvr-k, mvrk)
    n.
    1. An unbranded range animal, especially a calf that has become separated from its mother, traditionally considered the property of the first person who brands it.
    2. One that refuses to abide by the dictates of or resists adherence to a group; a dissenter.
    adj.
    Being independent in thought and action or exhibiting such independence: maverick politicians; a maverick decision.

    ——————————————————————————–

    [Possibly after Samuel Augustus Maverick (1803-1870), American cattleman who left the calves in his herd unbranded .]

    The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

    ——————————————————————————–
    maverick
    Noun
    1. a person of independent or unorthodox views
    2. (in the US and Canada) an unbranded stray calf
    Adjective
    (of a person or his or her views) independent and unorthodox [after Samuel A. Maverick, Texas rancher]
    Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006

    My aplogies for the pasted excerpts, but needed to emphasize that the definitions were not my own.

  • Interesting.

    Sadly, my dear Reidhead, it takes more than using cheery language and an optimistic tone to sway opinions to your side. Take facts and logic, for example. According to your thinly-constructed argument, Palin is a suitable candidate because:

    -She has family values.
    Last time I checked, a strong family unit of good “moral” character never helped someone in office to revive a struggling economy, or provide a solution to a tireless war, or even make any sort of improvement on the quality of the lives of the citizens of a nation, and not the family themselves. And family values? She preaches abstinence and yet look at her daughter. Obviously, she has a few kinks to work out in her method of child-rearing…

    -She’s patriotic because her son is enlisted in the Army.
    Her son made the decision himself to join the Army, not her. How can she be the patriotic one? I wasn’t aware that you could apply the Transitive Property in this situation. In that case, since she’s running under McCain, you might as well call her a war hero too. Put her in the ranks, and then let’s talk about her patriotism.

    -She is young and pretty.

    Come again?
    Are you implying that the presidential election should be likened to a beauty pageant? I didn’t know looks were crucial to running a superpower. I find it immature on an epic scale that this is part of your argument. It is people like you on the Democratic side who are jumping ship because they are intimidated by the skin color of their candidate. I’ll cast my vote for a box of cereal if it promises social reform, economic stability, and lower crime rates. If ‘prettiness’ is one of your main criteria for choosing officials, I’m going to have to ask you to explain your Dick Cheney vote in essay form.

    -She would generate great publicity because she has a newborn baby, and could even *gasp* bring the baby to work! (work = helping to run the United States of America).
    Hold it right there. You need to get off the McCain/Palin wagon right now. I found you a much more suitable candidate for what you want accomplished in the White House: Brangelina ’08. We could even launch a reality TV show based on their puppies! Aw, I love puppies! I think I’ll switch my vote too!

    Bottom line, I’m speaking totally honest and without malice when I say that your argument sounds undeveloped and juvenile. You have your interests in all the wrong places: Voting someone into office because of their personality and/or lifestyle compatibility with yours rather than their ability to carry a nation to prosperity is a total disservice to any country. Stop defending your side for the sake of defending your side, and find out who is most qualified to do the job.

    And by the way, for anyone else reading: America is one of the proud nations that allows freedom of religion- just because a candidate is not of your religion, does not mean that they won’t provide the freedoms for your religion. Even if a *shudder* Muslim were elected president (which Barack HUSSEIN (are you aware of how common that name is?) Obama is NOT, regardless of what your narrow-minded self would like to think), do you really think that everyone below the president (FBI! CIA! ARMY NAVY COASTGUARD!)would tear off their crucifixes and star of davids and start praying to Mecca? Get a life- welcome to the Western World, where we’re attempting to make religion a private matter. Good day.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Daniel Miller

    Interesting,

    You comment, it takes more than using cheery language and an optimistic tone to sway opinions to your side. Take facts and logic, for example. Strange, perhaps, but when I read that I thought you were speaking of Senator Obama. Then, of course, I read the rest of the comment. Oh well.

    Dan(Miller)

  • bliffle

    By this time, this must be the most naive question of the year: “Why Isn’t New Mommy Sarah Palin Qualified To Be Vice President?”

  • Miriam

    Dan (Miller)
    Two comments…first of all, why do you parenthesize your last name?
    Second, why are you sooo hopelessly brainwashed?
    Miriam (S.)

  • rkf

    bibble i cannot disagree!

    God Save America!

    I’m outa here

  • rkf

    one more thing
    forgot to tell you

    i am not american

    I do not dislike americans

    i intensely dislike GWB and all that he represents

  • Miriam

    OMG-there’s a new movie starting 10/17 called “W” about…you guessed it, the man who brought down an empire.
    Can’t wait to see it.

  • hank

    Sarah’s an intelligent leader and she has good, solid understanding of foreign policy. There’s a video you can watch that describes in detail how she would handle an international crisis – she’s no fool.

  • bliffle

    I don’t think she’s a fool, I think she’s a shallow ideologue. She’s fastened onto a few simple-minded bromides masquerading as principles, and substitutes those foregone conclusions for investigating, studying and thinking about issues.

    It’s the lazy way to do things.

    IMO that’s dangerous. It’s the style of GWB, whose administration is so reckless and incompetent that it threatens to destroy the USA business system, the military, and perhaps the political system itself.

    I don’t want any more of that.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Daniel Miller

    Re comment #644

    1. I sign my comments Dan(Miller) because there is another Dan who also posts here occasionally, and some folks appeared to be confused about who was posting.

    2. I take my brain to the laundromat every Thursday, to keep it nice and clean.

    Dan(Miller)

  • Cindy D
  • Barbara

    Why aren’t the democrats using the clip of her saying a year or so ago, she didn’t want the VP does, that her job kept her busy and she thought the Vice President job wouldn’t be busy enough for her.

  • Barbara

    Did Sarah Palin say she didn’t know what the VP does. This was in an interview a year ago? And that the job wouldn’t keep her busy enough. Who knows where to see that clip?

  • Cindy D
  • Northapt

    I would sleep with Sarah Palin, but then again, I don’t want someone I’d sleep with as my President.

  • JD

    Go Sarah. Finally, a real woman is headed for the Whitehouse. She is self-made, bright, energetic, and has great core values. Yahoo.

  • Cindy D

    And don’t forget she can skin a moose with a boyscout knife.

  • rkf

    JD

    Sorry to dissappoint you, but the only Whitehouse Sarah is heading for is an Igloo.

    Self made and energetic? sure

    Core values, please explain, I don’t get that part.

  • DoTheRightThing

    What is scary is that our current loser, George W., can’t even pronounce the word nuclear. But scarier still is that Ms. Palin can’t pronounce it either. What does THAT mean?

    I guess they are just meant for each other, ay? But are they meant for us? Is there a huge “screw-up” factor in those two? Whoa…

    Are they both stupid? I have personally talked to George W…. He is an idiot…

    And, for you stupid people, it’s not pronounced “NUKE + YOU + LER”… geez…

    Sound it out… NU….CLEAR

  • rkf

    Thank You Do The Right Thing. I needed to be reminded that I could pronounce “NU Clear”.

  • JD

    Sarah can connect with main stream America. With hard honest effort, she worked her way to success, unlike others who ride the coat tails of powerful men or those who know the right people with big bucks. Sarah is a breath of fresh air in today’s corrupt political scene. For those who can’t see her exceptional core values refuse to acknowledge the accomplishments and patriotism of this rising star. While others have only cracked the glass ceiling — Sarah will eventually break through.

  • DiannaD

    Do we really have to talk about anything other than energy tonight? Huh? You betcha! I’m joe six pack and I don’t answer questions cause I’m a pig wearing lipstick with a bumper sticker brain and I can only speak in memorized sound bytes cause I’m a boob! You betcha, bless your little heart; OH! And before we get back to talkin’ about energy, I want to give a shout out to my friend John who has been making speeches since I was in the first grade! You betcha ;He taught me how to read and now I read EVERYTHING! And I nod my head a lot cause I love hearing the marbles roll around in there you betcha! Now, seriously can we get back to talkin’ about ENERGY?

  • Cindy D

    ROFLOL @ Dianna

  • JD

    Drill – baby – drill !!!

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Those who like Governor Palin think she did great. Those who dislike her think she did miserably — quote possibly because she did so well. The spin is on.

    If the McCain campaign has been trying to protect Governor Palin, it should stop, ASAP. She does not need such protection, and to try to provide it damages both Senator McCain and Governor Palin; it also diminishes the rest of us, both pro and con.

    Governor Palin should get out there on the campaign trail and be herself. She should not permit her persona to be molded by anyone.

    I would like to see no more edited interviews, but live unedited interviews, and lots of them, conducted by both favorable and unfavorable interviewers. I am reasonably confident that she can deal with both types.

    Dan(Miller)

  • Cindy D

    Dan,

    I think she did fine. How she did has nothing to do with the fact that I dislike her.

  • Franco

    “And don’t forget she can skin a moose with a boyscout knife.”

    And cook it and serve up a mean moose roast and serve it with smoked salmon locks with cream cheeze and bagels to boot.

    This chick’s got it together.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    Cindy D,

    I should not have stereotyped. Sorry. I just read a bunch of stuff by various pundits, and that’s the sense I got. I am delighted that there are others, like you, out there who can be objective.

    Franco,

    If Governor Palin is unleashed, we can look forward to lots of moose meat. I haven’t seen any studies, but since kangaroo meat is now being pushed as a lower methane source of meat in Australia, perhaps moose emit less methane than cows (or even kangaroos) and from an environmental perspective, that would be a good thing.

    Dan(Miller)

  • rkf

    Dan(Miller)
    For your information:
    Alaska moose population estimated at 150,000
    Alaska Dairy Cow Population estimated at 1,200

    Just a guess on my part but an adult moose consumes 40 lbs. of foliage per day, so it’s unlikely that there would be a reduction in methane production as between a moose and a cow.

    The methane produced by McCain garbage combined with Palin gibberish,is far greater than that of Alaskan moose and domestic cows combined, and that does not include toxic waste.

    It was cruel on the part of McCain to use Sarah this way. I hope she gets property reimbursed.
    BYW, does she get to keep her governship of Alaska?

    curious

  • Clavos

    Don’t worry, Dan.

    Most of us DID get the humor…

  • Cindy D

    Dear Belinda Luscombe,

    Why do I think you are a dipshit? Could it be because you’re pretty?

    Maybe it’s because you’re too confident? Like Mother Theresa, Rosa Parks, Elizabeth Blackwell or Marie Curie? I don’t hate Oprah Winfrey.

    Perhaps it’s because you could embarrass us? It could be that. You could embarrass us by presuming your shallow assessments represent women beyond the age of 13. Not all women have been failures at “personal growth.”

    Or you could embarrass us by turning a journal, once respected, into a rag with superficial commentary more suited to People magazine, Cosmo or Us.

  • Cindy D

    Why Some Women Hate Sarah Palin
    by Belinda Luscombe

  • bliffle

    JD blurts out this nonsense:

    “#661 — JD

    Sarah can connect with main stream America. With hard honest effort, she worked her way to success, unlike others who ride the coat tails of powerful men or those who know the right people with big bucks

    You must be referring to her boss, McCain, whose family of two generations of bigshot Navy Admirals got him an easy gig at The Academy in spite of his poor student grades and even cleared some of his screwups and messy public sex affairs.

    By contrast, Obama came from a mixed race single parent family, worked his way thru harvard on the strengh of his grades and just finished paying off his student loans in his 40s.

    The elitist among the 4 principals was surely McCain. He’s the only one that came from a family of prestige and power.

  • rkf

    McCain owns 7 houses and 13 cars
    Obama’s books made him some money, but only after the publicity generated by his presidential campaigne. Obama has one house, one old car, and no clothes.

    McCain’s source of all this money is a very rich wife.

  • JD

    Because of Sarah Palin’s solid and genuine core values, she does what she says. Her story is always true to her convictions — you know what you are getting. A hard-working mom, who only wanted to improve her community, town, state, and now the nation. A straight shooter that takes on her own party to fight corruption. Someone who doesn’t alter her convictions to suit politics of the day someone who truly connects men & women. Go Sarah!

  • Dogwood

    Yes indeed … McCain is rich due to his wife … good for him. He was lucky to find such a fine woman … wouldn’t we all. Only greedy, jealous folk would complain.

    Yep, Obama wrote a book now that he is going public, but it’s too late … try to find a copy of college thesis … he is hiding it, for it reveals his ultra radical side. It prepared him for his involvement with giving & receiving funds from mid-east terrorists, from homeland terrorists, and from black supremacy religious leaders. And if you really want to know what he did as a community leader, just look into his affiliations (both money & power) within ACORN.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “He was lucky to find such a fine woman…Only greedy, jealous folk would complain.”

    Actually his first wife who stuck by him while he was a POW and then was later dumped for the beer heiress might complain as well.

  • Dogwood

    While well-spun marital half-truths make interesting soap-opera material, the fact remains that only McCain has fought both parties to curb spending & corruption. His record stands strong and true. Anyone who only votes on a candidate’s 11th hour promises is a fool. The smart voter always looks at the candidates record — both records. While both candidates are adorable (just like our own kids), which has more validity — their word or their report cards?

  • shari

    you’re a complete idiot

  • rkf

    The Report Card:

    McCain was a lousy pilot
    McCain endured five years in a prison camp but couldn’t endure a wife who was horribly injured in a traffic accident while he was gone.
    McCain can’t read a balance sheet
    McCain was a womanizer
    McCain can’t read a balance sheet
    McCain doesn’t believe in Government regulation of things like utilieites, and financial services
    but he just voted for the biggest invervention (bail out) in American History
    He has no program of his own, he knows he’s going down, so he’s on a personal attack mission, which will fail just like everything else he does.
    I’m sure his wife won’t abandon him
    McCain knows how to wind wars accoring to him, but doesn’t know how to end one.
    McCain is impuslive and short tempered, not an attractive trait for a 72 year old.

    Obama’s Report Card
    Obama is not motivated by money
    Obama was the top student at Harvard, and could have named his own ticket with any major law firm of his choice; instead he went into public service
    Obama paid off his last student loans after 40
    Obama is disciplined, even tempered, and smart,
    Obama can inspire others
    Obama has a much wider world vision than McCain
    Obama won’t blink under stress
    Obama has a wife that is just as smart as he is, and equally well educated.
    Obama has way better advisors

    I will stop here, and will not issue a Report card on Sarah Palin, cause she can’t frame a sentance, and wants even more power than Dick Cheney had.

    Dogwood, once the costs are known for this latest bail out, there won’t be any money left to refuel McCain’s aircraft carriers, his M1 tanks, and his C5 Galaxies, and China will call in his loans.

    So let him rattle the sabers till his body rejoins his mind, because there won’t be a presidency for him.

  • Dogwood

    Looks like the above report card writer likes to quote opinions and half-truths. Hers’s the facts…

    Obama is not motivated by money — he just wants to raise your taxes — by a trillion dollars.

    Obama was the top student at Harvard, and could have named his own ticket with any major law firm of his choice; instead he went into public service — “could” is not fact, and “top student” he was not (just look it up).

    Obama paid off his last student loans after 40 — what took him so long and why are there numerous sources regarding tuition assistance from the radical Muslim, Khalid Al Mansour?

    Obama is disciplined, even tempered, and smart — and so was Mao Tse Tung.

    Obama can inspire others — and so did Hitler.

    Obama has a much wider world vision than McCain — a vision well framed by his life-long black supremacy preacher, Jeremiah Wright.

    Obama won’t blink under stress — which is hard to do when frozen.

    Obama has a wife that is just as smart as he is, and equally well educated — which is why his campaign has silenced her.

    Obama has way better advisors — such as Bill Ayers (prior US terrorist who was on the FBI’s 10 top list) and Rashid Khalidi (prior mid-east terrorist), both who have supported and funded Obama’s political machine.

  • zingzing

    talk about “half-truths”–here’s some outright lies!

    Obama is not motivated by money — he just wants to raise your taxes — by a trillion dollars.–trillions? mhmm.

    Obama was the top student at Harvard, and could have named his own ticket with any major law firm of his choice; instead he went into public service — “could” is not fact, and “top student” he was not (just look it up).–magna cum laude not good enough for you?

    Obama paid off his last student loans after 40 — what took him so long and why are there numerous sources regarding tuition assistance from the radical Muslim, Khalid Al Mansour?–those are just silly rumors started up by right wing blogs, and you know it.

    Obama is disciplined, even tempered, and smart — and so was Mao Tse Tung.–so is your mom. so what?

    Obama can inspire others — and so did Hitler.–not fair. juvenile, in fact.

    Obama has a much wider world vision than McCain — a vision well framed by his life-long black supremacy preacher, Jeremiah Wright.–nice try, but that’s just bullshit and you know it. does your preacher hold that much sway over your politics? doubt it. what’s your preacher’s first name? which way does he/she vote? do you even know?

    Obama won’t blink under stress — which is hard to do when frozen.–what the hell is that? are you trying to reference public enemy?

    Obama has a wife that is just as smart as he is, and equally well educated — which is why his campaign has silenced her.–she has disappeared… then again, where’s old cindy?

    Obama has way better advisors — such as Bill Ayers (prior US terrorist who was on the FBI’s 10 top list) and Rashid Khalidi (prior mid-east terrorist), both who have supported and funded Obama’s political machine.–those aren’t advisors. try again.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com DaveNalle

    Zing has a point on the advisers issue. Ayers and Khalidi are contributors and backers, not advisers. His advisers are people like Fannie Mae kingpin and future inmate Franklin Raines.

    Dave

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Zing has a point on the advisers issue.

    But not on anything else?!? Come on, Dave. Even you know perfectly well that Dogwood’s entire comment is utter horseshit.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “Obama has a wife that is just as smart as he is, and equally well educated — which is why his campaign has silenced her.”

    She’s going on The Daily Show this week, Wednesday I believe. She must not have gotten Dagwood’s memo.

    Doc, always the optimist. Don’t squander it.

  • zingzing

    ok, dave, go look at mccain’s contributors (and “backers”–whatever that really means). who do you find there? anyone who’s money is better than their name? hmm…

    and dogwood was just being an idiot. “here’s the facts: hitler influenced people.” give me a fuckin break.

    but to whomever italicized my post for legibility, i thank ye. i’m too lazy.

  • Dogwood

    It’s too bad when faced truth and fact, the liberal political dialog commonly degrades to denial, accompanied by the usual swearing, name calling, and personal attacks (even to my mom). I must have touched a few sensitive nerves. Anyway, the data are there for all see and for all to know. Believe what you will, but base it on knowledge. As Winston Churchill so accurately commented…

    “If you’re not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you’re not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Dogwood, having just read again (at the cost of a couple of billion brain cells) all the comments made in response to your own provocative perspective, I am struggling to find this “liberal political dialog commonly degrades to denial, accompanied by the usual swearing, name calling, and personal attacks (even to my mom)”.

    And quoting Winston Churchill, who apart from WW2 was a pretty ineffective politician, gains you nothing except lifetime membership of the Trite Club.

  • zingzing

    “It’s too bad when faced truth and fact, the liberal political dialog commonly degrades to denial, accompanied by the usual swearing, name calling, and personal attacks (even to my mom)”

    ha! i called your mom “disciplined, even-tempered, and smart” and you take it as a personal attack. you hate you mom?

    next, i shall call your mother a “woman.” how do you like that!?

    and what you said was nowhere near the truth. it was just shit packed into sentence form.

  • rkf

    I’m out of here
    like wrestling with pigs
    pig likes it and you get dirty
    enjoy your socialist state
    and your big powerful militray means nothing if you donh’t have an economhy to support it

    China is laughing

    The fact that McCain will lose is making you al very angry

    so vent and bemoan your losses

    and anyone who quotes hitler is not going to share my blog space, so i will not be back

    bye

  • Miriam

    RKF wish you wouldn’t leave…you’re a breath of fresh air among these poor brainwashed bloggers who actually think there’s something other than a vacuum between Sarah’s big ears. You are right, though, bottom line is they’re upset b/c McSame and Barbie are WAAAAYYY down in electoral and popular vote. I’m gonna log on 11/5 and say “NA NA NA NA NA”!
    Oh and by the way….my boy Barry seems to have won the 2nd debate….go figure!

  • Clavos

    my boy Barry

    I’m sure a black man enjoys being referred to that way.

  • Miriam

    grow up Clavos…if that’s all you can say….

  • rkf

    Miriam
    Thank You!

    I’m certain that Barack would not be offended by the the term “Barry”. I read Barack’s first book “Dreams From My Father” cover to cover, before he announced his candidacy. I became interested in him after his now famous speech at the the Dem Convention four years ago. The reason I wanted to read this book; it was written BEFORE he was politically involved, and thought I would get a clearer picture of “who he is”, what shaped him, especially his childhood influences.
    He wrote this book, shortly after his graduation from Harvard, encouraged by his colleagues at Harvard.

    Re: Sarah Palin “Space between the ears”, I agree, huge sucking sound, matched only by the one who chose her to be his veep. She’s made Tina Fay very rich.

    Nobody is smart enough to fix the current economic crisis (Barack included). The biggest vaccuum, is located between the collective ears of U.S. Congress. American Treasury just paid a lot of money for empty bags. There is one for each member of congress to slide over their empty heads.

    9/11 was horrible, but that’s not what changed the world. The world has been altered by GWB, using 9/11 as a tool for his own Agenda. The result is clear, GWB has handed to Osama bin Laden, what he didn’t get on 9/11, the collapse of the American Economy. Additionally GWB has so strengthened the Hamas and other Jihadists, that any middle peace options have been destroyed for many many years to come. It will be impossible to revive them.

    So why not elect John McCain, odds are pretty good you will end up with Sarah as Pres. Even if he survives for a term, Sarah will be given even more power than Dick Cheney, Wow, what a ticket.

    I have been trying to understand the growth of the American right wing elements, and came across my answer inadvertently, it flew right out of the blue.

    The answer lies in American demographics. The birth rate for Republicans is much higher than it is for Democrats. So they have more kids, and the kids grow up and vote Republican and have more kids. This also explains Republican enthusiasm for Sarah Six Pack Palin.

    So Zing Zang, and Dogwood, vote for Six Pack Palin, she is guaranteed to have another one in office. Wouldn’t that be a real testament to real American Values; for your president to break water in the oval office. “No Child Left Behind”, Every sperm is sacred”,

    Again, nobody’s smart enought fix the broken economy, not John McCain, not Barack Obama, so let’s just all vote for Sarah, and have more babies, and breed these bleeding heart liberals into extinction.

  • Clavos

    I’m certain that Barack would not be offended by the the term “Barry”

    No, but “boy” might piss him off…

  • zingzing

    rkf–you must have misread me (and it’s not zing zang…). i’m clearly against palin. clearly.

  • Cindy D

    I agree with wanting a candidate who understands “Joe Sixpack”. But do we really want a candidate who IS “Joe Sixpack”?

    McCain touts Palin as his “expert” on energy. He’s made her responsible for handling his “energy independence” agenda. McCain says Palin understands the issues better than anyone he knows in Washington.

    I’m not sure if these facts aren’t the scariest of all.

    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change recommends that the U.S. reduce emissions up to 49 percent by 2020, and up to 96 percent by 2050. Gore’s plan for reducing emissions is in line with the recommendations of the IPCC.

    Palin measures would increase emissions. Palin’s opinion? “I’m not an Al Gore, doom-and-gloom environmentalist blaming the changes in our climate on human activity.

    Reference: Palin, McCain’s Energy Czar: ‘Weaning Ourselves’ Off Of Oil By Using More

  • Clavos

    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

    Aka the College of Cardinals of the Church of Global Warming.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Aka the College of Cardinals of the Church of Global Warming.

    If I had to pick a religion, I’d pick the CCCGW over the Greasy Oil Bastard Cult any day of the fuckin’ week (bless me, fadda) and twice on Green Sunday.

  • Windy

    Obama was key in developing ACORN, which is now proven to be a corrupt organization. Ala save us all.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Obama had nothing to do with developing ACORN. And it is not a “corrupt organization” any more than Arby’s is. Ala peanut butter sandwiches…

  • Windy

    It’s all over the news. ACORN has been cited in several states for engaging in bad mortgage deals and voter fraud. ACORN is a political action arm of Obama the great and his cronies. They practice unscrupulous methods to gain votes. May Ala have mercy on them all.

  • Jordan Richardson

    First of all, Windy, if you’re going to attempt to be insulting, spell the name properly. It’s “Allah.”

    Second, ACORN is not the “political action arm” of anyone anymore than Bill Ayers is Obama’s good terrorist buddy. It’s ridiculous smear politics used by both lefties and righties and your inability to see through it pretty much discredits your point of view instantaneously. The fact that you pepper your posts with little snide comments only adds to the impression of idiocy conveyed by your words. I don’t think you’re that stupid. I do think you, like most people, get stupid when talking politics.

    Everyone practices “unscrupulous methods” to gain votes. Look at ’04 for evidence of that. If Obama wins the election, everyone on the Right can bitch about ACORN and a full investigation will reveal what we already know about the organization: dick all but speculation and “apparent convictions.”

    Trust me, if ACORN was an oil company or an arms manufacturer, nobody on the Right would dare give a shit.

  • Clavos

    If I had to pick a religion,

    I don’t.

    Over my lifetime, I’ve found religion to be a refuge for fools and the charlatans who prey on them.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Aw c’mon. Sometimes, if you pick the right one, you get to Lord false prophecies over others, eat really cool wafers, ignore Science in favour of the teachings of the Profits, and caste your pearls before The Swine.

    A-men.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Perhaps Windy could explain also why comments have been made under the names of Dogwood and JD from the same IP address?

  • Windy

    Just go to branshavings-dot-com (among many others) and you’ll see what Mr. Obama is up to. It ain’t pretty. This is how Communism got started. This is the beginning of the end for us all!

  • Clavos

    If Obama wins the election, everyone on the Right can bitch about ACORN…

    If he loses, everyone on the left can (and will) bitch about racism.

    They’ve been setting the stage for a while, now.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    First of all, Windy, if you’re going to attempt to be insulting, spell the name properly. It’s “Allah.”

    Jordan, I think Windy was referring to ACORN having run afoul of the particularly strict election laws in Alabama. Apparently the state’s attorney general is hopping mad and threatening to prosecute to the maximum extent the law will allow*.

    Alternatively, she may have been referring to the American Library Association. Public libraries are of course popular centers for voter registration drives, and I can imagine that the professional body would get quite upset about any abuse of their facilities.

    * In Alabama, of course, this generally involves quantities of white cloth, some sturdy rope and the nearest mature tree…

  • Clavos

    In Africa and Asia, the elephant’s tusks are firmly set into their jaws.

    But in Alabama, the Tuscaloosa.

  • zingzing

    Dogwood is a pretty tree. Windy is a forecast. JD is an acronym. So is IP. They are not the same.

  • Cindy D

    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

    Aka the College of Cardinals of the Church of Global Warming.

    You do understand that the IPCC is a neutral scientific body that does nothing more than analyze all the research by scientists worldwide, right?

    Of course you know that it’s reports respresent THE CONSENSUS OF SCIENTISTS WORLDWIDE on the issue.

    Got any country western bands to debunk the global scientific community?

  • Jordan Richardson

    This is how Communism got started. This is the beginning of the end for us all!

    In that case, may I offer a good riddance?

  • Franco

    #701 — Jordan Richardson

    “Obama had nothing to do with developing ACORN. And it is not a “corrupt organization” any more than Arby’s is. Ala peanut butter sandwiches…”

    #703 — Jordan Richardson

    “ACORN is not the “political action arm” of anyone anymore than Bill Ayers is Obama’s good terrorist buddy.”

    Jordan, I challenge your statements. I submit the following to start the discussion/debate.

    ACORN

  • Franco

    #709 — Dr Dreadful

    “I think Windy was referring to ACORN having run afoul of the particularly strict election laws in Alabama.

    Very low and cheap ad hominem shot Doc, not generally like you.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I don’t think you got it, Franco. Read Windy’s spelling of the Arabic word for God, to which Jordan was responding.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Franco, if we’re going to be trading articles to “start a discussion,” I guess I have to submit this one.

    ACORN

    Now perhaps if you’d like the discussion to be a little more specific, you could challenge my statements with your own specifics and we could work from there. Mining through Kurtz’s article wasn’t particularly a joyous experience.

  • Clavos

    You do understand that the IPCC is a neutral scientific body that does nothing more than analyze all the research by scientists worldwide, right?

    I know that’s how it’s billed, yes. I question both its neutrality and its science. And BTW, it does not “analyze all the research by scientists worldwide.” It ignores that which disagrees with it.

    Of course you know that it’s reports respresent THE CONSENSUS OF SCIENTISTS WORLDWIDE on the issue.

    Actually, they don’t. They represent the consensus of scientific reports hand-picked by non-scientist government representatives (read bureaucrats) who are also part of the IPCC. In point of fact, some of the scientists involved have repudiated some of the “science” published in the reports.

    There is also a considerable cohort of scientists worldwide, both within and without the IPCC, who disagree with all or part of the IPCC’s conclusions.

    These include such luminaries as Roy Spencer and Kerry Emanuel, among many others, and their ranks are growing, as the world is increasingly bombarded with the kind of unfounded scaremongering and misinformation embodied in Al Gore’s film, as well as much of what’s published in the media.

    And no, I won’t give you citations. I’m not trying to change your mind, just stating my opinion, based on my own skepticism.

  • blondie

    I think that this women is bore tralior trash that is enjoying the lights…her daughter is peganent by a black man..how come that is not brought and how wouls she like if we slat her name saying she is an animal killer

  • Franco

    Jordan, I have read and studies your like to ACORN. Since its beginning in 1970 its has been active in helping poor and minorities as your link so clearly references. Its sights……………

    For 38 years, ACORN, the nation’s most successful community organizing group, has been making headlines by mobilizing low-income Americans to fight for social justice, challenging powerful banks, corporations, and government officials around such issues as wages for the working poor, predatory lending and foreclosures, welfare reform, public education, affordable housing, and voting rights

    There are thousands of nonprofit groups around the country that help the poor. Some provide charity and social services. Others advocate on their behalf. And some organize the poor to fight for themselves. But in the community organizing world, ACORN stands almost alone as a national force, with its local chapters, dues-paying members and an ability to wage and win major reforms at the neighborhood, city, state and national level. ACORN organizers have taught tens of thousands of low-income Americans how David can sometimes defeat Goliath.

    My contention with ACORN has nothing to do with the embezzled $1 million from the organization’s coffers eight years ago which your link references. That happens in communist states, socialized states, as well as free market states. Nor is my contention with its stated mission for helping the poor and minorities.

    My contention with ACORN is that since it started, it has changed since 1970 and become more radicalized in the last 10-15 years. When I say, “radicalized” I mean an intentional and aggressive abandonment in sound ethics and principals to advance its objectives at any and all costs. I assert that blind radicalization is bad for the feniices of ACORN and the general heath of society at large.

    Specifically I assert this radicalization is at the heart of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac troubles leading to its financial crises. I know that sounds like a bold statement, but a review of the evidence is difficult to defeat. If the evidence proves true, the, I think both of us would want to know. If it is false, then that too is just as important in knowing. The like I proved you evidences these facts.

    And the only reason I bring it up is because the bail out is falling on all of us, and only those who are working hard and paying all the taxes are left to pay all the bills for it. If a segment of society has to be so radically helped by ACORN that it causes this to occur, then something is wrong with the way ACORN is helping people.

    Helping people get a start so they can get up to speed and carry their own weight is truly helping them and society at large as they become contributors along with all those already started.

    But just enabling someone is quite the opposite from truly helping them. Enabling is a bottomless pit which dose not help the person needing the help nor dose it benefit society overall.

    Here are the last two paragraphs for Kurtz report.

    At both the local and national levels, then, ACORN served as the critical catalyst, levering pressure created by the Community Reinvestment Act and pull with Democratic politicians to force Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into a pattern of high-risk loans.

    Up to now, conventional wisdom on the financial meltdown has relegated ACORN and the CRA to bit parts. The real problem, we’ve been told, lay with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. In fact, however, ACORN is at the base of the whole mess. ACORN used CRA and Democratic sympathizers to entangle Fannie and Freddie and the entire financial system in a disastrous disregard of the most basic financial standards. And Barack Obama cut his teeth as an organizer and politician backing up ACORN’s economic madness every step of the way.

    That is either mostly true of mostly fales based on the evidences he sites in the full report. I have read it twice and I find it without error. Therefor I assert it is true. Which is highly disturbing and some turnaround is in order.

    I am asking you if you concur

  • troll

    Franco – who has ‘benefited’ more from ACORN’s activities: the home buyers; the construction companies and their suppliers; the banks; all of the above – ?

  • Jordan Richardson

    an intentional and aggressive abandonment in sound ethics and principals to advance its objectives at any and all costs

    Like most other organizations in the world, ACORN has, at times, put aside what you refer to as “sound ethics and principals (sic)” in order to accomplish its goals. Governments do this, individuals do this, organizations do this. For some reason, I doubt your critique of the defiance of “sound ethics” extends to corporations and is deepened, perhaps rightly so, by the notion that ACORN is involved with Obama in some fashion. Am I correct in assuming that you would not have breathed a word about ACORN or its “aggressive advancement of policy” had it not been for Barack Obama’s “connection” with the group?

    I find it compelling that this group has been able to operate much in the same way that other organizations do for all of these years. It is only when Barack Obama’s closet is in need of examination that individuals like you hop on board the Truth Train in hopes of discrediting an organization that largely helps more than it harms.

    The like I proved you evidences these facts.

    Franco, I found no citation of a reputable source in your link. While I don’t doubt you have every reason to think what you do, I would venture to guess that ACORN’s view of the same problem is very different. Perhaps the truth lies somewhere in the middle. In fact, a quick visit to ACORN’s website reveals that they have spent a good deal of time discussing and reporting on the crisis. Perhaps a perusal of their documents would be in order to offset the link you have provided. While I have no intention of getting into the particulars, it seems convenient to me that ACORN’s role is something intensely floated by the right. Indeed, it all seems like a case of amazing timing…

    The Kurtz report seems like a massive apologist rant for poor Fannie and Freddie, with hopes of diverting the attention from Corporate America on to those who help the poor. Shit, it’s those “po’ folks” fault. Or so says men like Kurtz.

    But the fact of the matter is you’re all to blame. Fannie and Freddie saw profit, ACORN saw opportunity, and now the American people are seeing red because of poor decisions, greed, and capitalistic habit. It’s a systematic error and blaming ACORN is a tactic designed to discredit Obama.

    I stand by what I said: ACORN is no more “corrupt” than Arby’s. Or perhaps Wal-Mart is more apt. And Obama is not an integral part in the organization and never was. It is not Obama’s “political arm.”

    Those were the statements you said you were challenging. So far, I have received nothing of the sort from your article or your subsequent discussion.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Franco, Kurtz lost me with his ludicrous punchline: “Barack Obama cut his teeth as an organizer and politician backing up ACORN’s economic madness every step of the way.”

    In the entire article, Kurtz can provide only one instance of Obama dealing directly with ACORN: his stint as a director of the Woods Fund (and of the Annenberg Challenge at the same time, if you want to get technical). The rest is a litany of tenuous associations and innuendo.

  • bliffle

    franco must be god:

    I have read it twice and I find it without error.

    Wow!

  • Cindy D

    Clav,

    Fair enough. I’ll leave you with one last thought on the subject:

    Some 35 independent scientific and professional societies agree:

    National and international science academies and professional societies have assessed the current scientific opinion on climate change, in particular recent global warming. These assessments have largely followed or endorsed the IPCC position that “An increasing body of observations gives a collective picture of a warming world and other changes in the climate system… There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities.”

    P.S.
    It’s hard to refrain from making a crack about Roy Spencer. But, I will refrain. I’ll just say very factually that he calls the theory of evolution “evolutionism”. He believes in intelligent design and considers it no less scientific than evolution.

    Who knows what this says about his science when considered only within his area of expertise. Perhaps nothing.

  • rkf

    I’m getting edicated.
    blogged Roy Spencer, and couldn’t get beyond the intro paragraph namely:

    “it shows that weather systems have by far the greatest control over the Earth’s greenhouse effect, which is dominated by water vapor and clouds”.

    Sounds like the manipulative comments of an “an intelligent designer”

    I would ask Dr. Spencer whether he’s given consideration as to what is the cause of the change in weather patterns? I would also want to know where he picked up his Quack Quack doctorate.

    Likely some bible belt mail order house, or some anti existentialist anti seculuar humanism, evangelistical association for the preservation of the subjugation of women and the prevention of original thought, and elimination of all abominations, including gays lesbians, muslims, blacks, ecluding mormons and seventh day adventists, but including the pope.

    Problem with these creationists is that they don’t care about the planet, because God is going to destory the earth in any event, but before he does he will rapture all creationists, and spare them from his wrath. So the more they pollute, the sooner God take them off the planet, and leave the planet to the rest of us. That is the scary part, they really believe that they will be rewarded for hastening the day, so drill drill drillllll.

    I have news for them; This planet will survive, but the species will not, specially the intelligent designers.

    Anyone know how many billions of tons of methane gas are frozen into the northern perma frost? and once they start to melt,the process will accelerate and be unstoppable.

    enufff enuffff
    to be continued

  • troll

    …the image of the tundra farting us to death is somehow appealing

  • rkf

    forgot to ask
    Re: intelligent design / creationists etc.

    I do not have a theology degree, someone please help me understand the following:

    Religion by my dfinition is a “Faith”, and “faith” by definition requires no proof, so the big question

    Why do Creationists or Intelligent Designers feel the need to prove their belief via scientific proof? In the process they discredit their religion, as well and embarras the science.

    guess i’m not smart enough to be a good christian, like sarah palin.

    That speaking in tongues business, that’s sounds like an intellectual experience.

    nuff nufff

  • Clavos

    Fair enough, Cindy.

    A couple of final thoughts from me, as well:

    You quote, from Wikipedia:

    National and international science academies and professional societies have assessed the current scientific opinion on climate change, in particular recent global warming…

    Scientific opinion

    Dr. Spencer’s religious beliefs have no bearing on his expertise in climatology. He is (and has been) a very highly regarded (except by those whose work he questions) climatologist for decades.

  • Cindy D

    Clav,

    Conceded. And I agree he is a legitimate, respected scientist in climatology.

    I suppose I couldn’t help myself having learned that information.

  • Franco

    #722 — Jordan Richardson

    For some reason, I doubt your critique of the defiance of “sound ethics” extends to corporations

    False. If corporations do these things they need to be held to account. I make not excuses for corporations, NGO’s or ACORN. And you won’t find one post on BC that I have made condoning intentional and aggressive abandonment in sound ethics and principals to advance objectives at any and all costs by any corporation.

    However that can not be said about you. From your posts in many threads on BC you display a deep seeded contempt for even the word corporation, and that is not rational.

    Am I correct in assuming that you would not have breathed a word about ACORN or its “aggressive advancement of policy” had it not been for Barack Obama’s “connection” with the group?

    NO, because if ACORN is truly a key player at the heart of Fannie and Freddie melt down we all need to be making corrections to these reckless and aggressive abuses. As I said before, If a segment of society has to be so radically helped by ACORN that it played a significant part in causing this melt down to occur, then something is wrong with the way ACORN is helping people. Because (1) they are not getting helped and (2) it places the burdens of these mistakes on all of us in the nation.

    So fare the bail out hasn’t stopped the bleeding yet, check your nightly news right now.

    My business has gone to shit over it and long before the melt down or before Obama beat Hillary. I am tied to housing starts and sales as I proved specialty wood products. I have lost my income. I have been living on savings the past 8 months trying to keep my import/export business alive. No one in the US wants to import recycled forests products right now. As green as that is, it is flat on it’s ass.

    If ACORN is one of the heavy weight contributors to the subprime lending build up ushering in this melt down, it needs to be held to account. The casualty list from this is not even in yet and it is going to go way past our shores. Check out the UK. There is going to be a huge business closure over this and 95% or corporate American is made up of small compaines eployeeing 10 people of less. This thing is kicking the living cuts out of them.

    If Obama energies (as good intentioned as they my be and as innocent as the might been) helped expedite the ACORN mess directly or indirectly in any way, and if he claims to have experience to fix things like this then he has to admit it is broken and fucked up. He won’t even talk about it and you dismiss it as if what they did was no worse the Corporations do. That kind of response is not a solution Jordan. It’s just an excuse.

    The Kurtz report seems like a massive apologist rant for poor Fannie and Freddie, with hopes of diverting the attention from Corporate America on to those who help the poor. Shit, it’s those “po’ folks” fault. Or so says men like Kurtz.

    No it is not. Your doing the exact same thing your are accusing Kurtz of doing. And here you go gain with the evil corporation excuse again.

    Kurtz is not some boogieman out to get the poor and neither am I. Kuntz graduated from Haverford College and holds a Ph.D. in social anthropology from Harvard University. He did his field work in India and taught at Harvard and the University of Chicago.the so-called poor do in the US.

    I work with poor people all the time helping them develop new skills through work in the real world and have for decades. It’s not a hand out, they have to work for it. I work with poor people everyday in Chile Jordan. Poor people in Latin America are not anything like poor people in the US. Poor people in Chile do not have 1/10th the opportunity that poor people have in the US and yet they complain less about it. If every so called poor person in the US were sent to Chile of 5 years. When they got back to the states they would get on their knees and kiss the assfault and get out on it and find a job and make head way. If you cant make it in the US, you can’t make it anywhere in the world.

    Chileans who have a chance to go to the US to work for 6 months to a year can not believer all the opportunity, if blows their minds. Yet the so call poor people in the US complain about no opportunity and have been doing it for years and have been getting billions of dollars from the public treasury to help them out since the 70’s and they are still complaining. Enough is enough, we do not need any more radical programs leveraging special high risk sub-prime loans that are going to be garenteeed by by our government from the public treasury if they go bad. That has nothing to do with hitting down on the poor as you assert. Is has to do with responsibility and accountability. The former ACORN abandoned in aggressively promoting these loans, and now they want to get out of the latter. BULLSHIT!

    My secretary here in Chile has a brother who went to the US 10 years ago with $500 in his pocket. He gained a workers permit. He went to work cleaning carpets and learning the trade and saved his money. Today he has his own corporation cleaning carpets for residential and commercial accounts and maintains them as repeat customers. He bought him self a house in New Jersey two years ago. His business is a bit slower this year but he wanted to back off his aggressive schedule so he is happy with less of a workload and yet still way in the green. He never complained once along the way and never once called ACORN. He saw the opportunity and took it and it hasn’t cost the public treasurey a dime and he puts plenty of his tax dollors into it.

    I stand by what I said: ACORN is no more “corrupt” than Arby’s. Or perhaps Wal-Mart is more apt.

    As I stated before, you dismiss it as if what they did was no worse then Corporations do. That kind of response is not a solution Jordan. It’s just an excuse. And since I do not make any excuses for corporations I am asking you not to make excuses for ACORN.

    If ACORN is no more “corrupt” then corporations, that is saying they are just as corrupt. And when it comes to corporations you have clearly expressed yourself here on BC that they are the corrupt vermin of the earth> So if they are equl to ACORN then what corruption are you taking about in ACORN?

    Obama had nothing to do with developing ACORN.

    Well that all depends on what you consider developing. If you train the ACORN people how to better organize their efforts, it could be classified as development. If your taking about its creation back in 1970 out of the welfare movements back then, then no, I would say Obama had nothing to do with that development.

    From Obama’s own website: “Obama continues his organizing work largely through classes for future leaders identified by ACORN and the Centers for New Horizons on the south side.”

    From the article i linked that you say you can’t find anything. This is from the second paragraph.

    At the time, however, that 1995 Chicago newspaper article represented something of a triumph for Barack Obama. That same year, as a director at Chicago’s Woods Fund, Obama was successfully pushing for a major expansion of assistance to ACORN, and sending still more money ACORN’s way from his post as board chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Through both funding and personal-leadership training, Obama supported ACORN. And ACORN, far more than we’ve recognized up to now, had a major role in precipitating the subprime crisis.

    Again, as I stated before. If Obama energies (as good intentioned as they my be and as innocent as the might been) helped expedite the ACORN mess directly or indirectly in any way, and if he claims to have experience to fix things like this then he has to admit it is broken and fucked up.

    I find it compelling that this group has been able to operate much in the same way that other organizations do for all of these years. It is only when Barack Obama’s closet is in need of examination that individuals like you hop on board the Truth Train in hopes of discrediting an organization that largely helps more than it harms.

    Now you sound like a corporate CEO asserting your business practices helps more then it harms.

    As I said before, I make no excuses for corporate corruption and like wise with ACORN.

    Jordan, we are not talking about corporations right now, but I will be happy to do so. But we are right now taking about ACORN. Tell me the coruption that you see, if any, that could have help lead to this sub-prime mortgage melt down crices.

  • Franco

    #723 — Dr Dreadful

    Franco, Kurtz lost me with his ludicrous punchline: “Barack Obama cut his teeth as an organizer and politician backing up ACORN’s economic madness every step of the way.”

    In the entire article, Kurtz can provide only one instance of Obama dealing directly with ACORN: his stint as a director of the Woods Fund (and of the Annenberg Challenge at the same time, if you want to get technical). The rest is a litany of tenuous associations and innuendo.

    Obamas own website confirms that Obama used his organizer slills to train ACORN personel. There is nothing Ludicrous or innuendo about that.

    But lets remove Obama from ACORN so my concern is not barried.

    My contention with ACORN is with ACORN alone in its unprincipled aggressive insistence on racking up sub-prime mortgages, which ended up packing Fannie and Freddie to the gills with them. What has been coming to light is that most of this high risks loans did in fact accoumulate into existince through the efforts of ACORN.

    If that is the case, which Kurtz asseerts, then it is a very disfuctional community organization run amuck and needs to be held to account so it stops. I would find it remarkable if you did not agree.

    Obama only comes into it if Obama’s energies (as good intentioned as they maybe and as innocent as they might been) helped expedite the ACORN mess directly or indirectly in any way. It’s reverent in that he claims to have experience to fix things like this. But he has yet to admit it is broken and fucked up.

    See my post to Jordan.

  • Windy

    Obama directly helped ACORN, because it supports his view of the world, which is wealth redistribution through politics. The more money you can give to others, the more votes you can secure — where the ultimate conclusion is a communistic regime where everyone gets very little — except government leaders. His related associations with Bill Ayers and his preachers further this cause. His record of promised tax relief, but actual tax additions, accurately record his methods — say what the crowd wants to hear, but rule otherwise later. His record tells it all — and it ain’t pretty.

  • bliffle

    Franco,

    Looks to me like you are really off base. ACORN promoted renovation of defunct housing neighborhoods and also established home-building efforts like those of Habitat For Humanity. They were saving neighborhoods, which is beneficial for suppliers such as you are. You should welcome them.

    As near as I can see, all the attempts to smear ACORN are just scandal-mongering. ACORN has never been convicted of any crime. I’m not inclined to believe anything that I’ve read by Dave Nalle or Kurtz (whom I suspect is Nalles source, anyway).

    They never back up their assertions, and when I do independent research it never leads down the paths that those guys have gone. Until someone proves otherwise to me I’m going to figure that ACORN is a square outfit. Since Nalle/Kurtz continue peddling this anti-ACORN stuff I’m going to assume (until evidence, not rhetoric, convinces me otherwise) that some people are trying to defame ACORN so they can track back and defame Obama since he’s connected to them. Just like Joe McCarthy.

    As to the FNMA/GNMA loans, you must understand that FNMA/GNMA do not initiate loans themselves. they are a secondary market for loans. The loans themselves are almost always initiated and signed by commercial private lending institutions. Thus, as near as I can see, ACORN acted to organize housing projects on behalf of low-income people, and to do that they formed alliances with lenders and government agencies to put programs together. This is such a common thing in the business community that you must have seen it before. In the process of negotiations and re-negotiation and contract performance I assume that a good bit of typical business infighting occurs as project partners struggle with each other to optimize their own outcomes. Nothing new about that. My experience in business was that as soon as partners finsihed negotiations and signed the contracts that the next round of re-negotiation begins. Everyone wants to improve their position.

    So, there’s a lot of struggle. Perfectly normal. Often, peoples feelings are hurt and their outcomes diminished and they ascribe dark deeds to their erstwhile partners. Sometimes they sue. Sometimes they file charges.

    Nothing unusual about any of this. There is nothing unusual or suspicious in the fact that people struggle with each other.

  • bliffle

    Windy,

    Everyone does this. Every person in business, every politician, they all are trying to re-distribute income — towards themselves!

    “Obama directly helped ACORN, because it supports his view of the world, which is wealth redistribution through politics. ”

  • bliffle

    franco sez:

    “What has been coming to light is that most of this high risks loans did in fact accoumulate into existince through the efforts of ACORN.”

    No. All the loans were written by private lending firms, all of them prominent household names.
    ACORN, as near as I can see, helped to organize homebuyers, lenders and in some cases secondary markets. All the deals were written by private lenders who collected the fees and profits. In fact, the lenders were quite happy to have these opportunities presented to them.

    Also, ACORN-sponsored deals had lower than average foreclosure rates, possibly because of ACORNs intermediating.

    It’s time to abandon the idea that the meltdown was caused by speculating poor people. It was caused by over-reaching lenders who created fraudulent loans with abusive terms because they were insufficiently regulated, and by bundling the loans into securitized bonds were able to fake (i.e., fraud) them as being as good as their older loans. They liquidated their Blue Sky.

  • rkf

    Franco sez
    I have been do some background reading trying to sort out (in my mind) this horrendous debacle. Based on my research to date you are 100% right. This craziness was driven from on top, promoters, bankers, agents, aggressively trying to feed an elephant. I don’t know much about Acorm, I believe it has perhpas evolved into something different from its roots, but doesn’t alter the fact. Most of these poor people are victims of a massive scam.

    The mortgage scam is part of a much larger scam. Study AIG and the (Crdit Default Swaps), and how the banks moved their reserve requirments out of their balance sheets, followed by AIG moving off their balance sheets, and securitizing them and selling them off to the whole world of investors. Empy paper bags at three levels. So all these bottom feeders scouring the market for vulnerable takers wer drving this need to (again) feed this elephant, who had an insatiable appetite.

    It’s sad, It wasn’t my call, or us congress woulde not have bailed out AIG.

    nufffff

  • ny’er

    ISN’T SARAH PALIN DICK CHENEY’S ILLEGITAMENT DAUGHTER? IF YOU DISAGREE WITH EITHER DON’T GO HUNTING WITH THEM!!!

  • Pablo

    Dave RE 683

    You said:
    “His advisers are people like Fannie Mae kingpin and future inmate Franklin Raines.”

    Oh you mean Franklin Raines the lifetime member of the CFR bubba? Is that who you meant Davey?

  • Windy

    Only folks like Obama are driven by wealth redistribution. Just look at who wants to tax the workers and give it to the slackers. Socialism is the dark side of Capitalism — just look at what happened to the USSR (and still happening). Since Obama can’t depend on an honest voting system, his political machine (ACORN) is using tax monies to rig elections — sounds a lot like Cuba (and the like). The Messiah has come.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Just look at who wants to tax the workers and give it to the slackers.

    Obama’s tax plan would increase taxes on the highest earners and aims to benefit those in the middle class – a large and growing sector of the population, as conservatives are fond of constantly reminding us.

    So, “slackers”, eh? It’s good to see the right finally being open and honest about what they think of the majority of Americans.

  • rkf

    A banking system, Plundered trillions, investing stockholders’ money into empty bags, high risk yuppie bingo. Now they’re drowning in red ink, and guess what, Feds drop interest rates to help these banks make tons of new money off the backs of the tax payers. It’s unlikely that this new money will flow down to the people who need loans, because they are toooo risky.

    Cash strapped people use their plastic, and that pays much higher interest rates, than doable loans.

    And where will these new profits go? There will be another high risk scheme in the offing, again built on artifically set low interest rates, with the spread being billed back to the out of control national deficit.

    My question:
    Is this right or left or just plain wrong.

    Please tell me.

  • bliffle

    windy comment from Windy:

    “…his political machine (ACORN) is using tax monies to rig elections…”

    Not true, as near as I could find out. Do you have any evidence?

    If you don’t have evidence, why do you say it?

  • Cindy D

    rkf,

    Here you go this article should help.

    What Is Libor? Answers To Interest-rate Questions

    What Is Libor? A Strange Name For Interest Rate Benchmark With Dramatic Impact On US Economy

  • Franco

    #741 — Dr Dreadful

    “Obama’s tax plan would increase taxes on the highest earners and aims to benefit those in the middle class – a large and growing sector of the population, as conservatives are fond of constantly reminding us.”

    Let’s start with the definition of a “small business.” Most will tell you that small-business income constitutes income derived from sole proprietorships, partnerships and Subchapter S corporations.

    Obama’s stated plan to raise taxes on households making $250,000 or more in income is a tax increase on small business. The simple answer to this dilemma can be found in the IRS Statistics of Income Bulletin (Table 1.4, for those who are interested).

    So what do the data say?

    In 2006 (the latest year available), $706 billion of such income was reported to the Internal Revenue Service. Of this, about half was reported by households in the top marginal income tax rate. Interestingly, two-thirds of this income was reported by households making $250,000 per year or more — the very same households that Obama wants to increase taxes on.

    Make no mistake about it: Obama’s plan to raise taxes on households making more than $250,000 will raise taxes on most small-business profits in America.

    What type of tax rate are we talking about? Currently, S corporations face a top tax rate of 35 percent, while sole proprietors and general partners face a tax rate of 37.9 percent (since they’re responsible for paying both income tax and the Medicare component of the payroll tax).

    Under Obama’s plan to let the scheduled 2011 tax rate hikes occur, and his plan to raise the self-employment tax on those making more than $250,000, the S corporation rate would rise from 35 percent to 39.6 percent. The sole proprietor and partner rate would rise from 37.9 percent all the way up to a staggering 50.3 percent. Many Democrats in Congress have proposed making all small businesses (including S corporations) pay this 50-plus percent rate. A small business tax rate that high would be the highest marginal rate faced by them in nearly a quarter-century

    What would a world look like where two-thirds of all small-business income would be taxed at a 50 percent rate? The economic law that “taxing something more and getting less of it” would apply. Fewer Americans would be interested in opening or expanding small businesses. Tax evasion and legal tax avoidance would spike, as tax shelters would once again become a booming industry. Since small businesses create a majority of jobs in America, Main Street closing up shop will have a direct impact on the family budget, as well. Plants and equipment will go unused. Despite the misguided opinions of static scorers in Washington, federal tax revenues will likely decline as the economy staggers into a full-on recession.

    What’s the alternative? One place to look is the optional alternate tax system originally proposed by Congressman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and now endorsed by McCain. It would give households (including those with small business income) a choice between the current tax code and one with a top rate of 25 percent on all income over $100,000. This would have the beneficial effect of lowering the tax rate on most small-business income by 10 percentage points. Small businesses haven’t faced a tax rate that low in quite some time and would be likely to respond with the creation of new businesses and more investment in existing businesses.

    The McCain small business tax plan doesn’t end there. For those businesses that are organized as conventional corporations, the top tax rate would fall from 35 percent to 25 percent, the European average. For all businesses, technology and equipment — which now must be slowly “depreciated” over many years — would be immediately expensed in year one.

    Stepping back, voters and policymakers should ask themselves whether they want two-thirds of small business income taxed at a 50 percent tax rate or if they want nearly all small-business income taxed at a 25 percent tax rate. They should ask themselves whether it’s healthier for small businesses to write off a computer over six calendar years or to simply write it off in year one. To America’s small business sector, the answer is obvious.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Franco, I don’t think I said anything about small businesses and neither did Windbagy.

    You also make the huge and baseless assumption that the majority of people earning over $250,000 a year are small business owners.

    I imagine, rather, that there are millions of such folks who would love to earn that much!

  • Miriam

    Windy,
    You don’t know diddly about Cuba. My family is from Cuba. Obama will not turn this into a socialist state. I am so tired of the right saying that someone is a communist just because they want to help the poor. Oh and by the way, I am a liberal “slacker” who makes more than 250K but doesn’t mind sharing it with the less fortunate and protecting the rights of women, gays and protecting the environment…oh and perhaps cleaning up the economy that your conservative president screwed up…not ACORN…that was all Dubya.

  • rkf

    What I know about Cuba:
    It’s home to Guantanamo Bay, an American Military Base, declared a “Lawless Zone”; Constitutional rights of its “terrorist prisoners, having been suspended, by the Terrible Trio, of GWB, Don Rumsfeld, and Dick Cheney. People can be arrested, held without charges being laid, no right to counsel, no fifth amendment rights, no right to communicate, and exempt from Geneva Accords, (meaning they can be torured, debased,endlessly and repetitively interrogated, starved, frozen, baked, beaten,and water boarded et.al.

    But (Americans), they are not communists.

    What else do I know about Cuba?
    They are communists.
    Cuba has universal health care. Nobody in Cuba files for bankdruptcy because they can’t pay their medical bills, or dies because they cannot access the health care system.

    What else do I know about Cuba
    Despite the fact that Americans are not permitted to travel to Cuba, Americans flock to Cuba for for affordable medical procedures and cheap drugs. “Castro” doesn’t stamp the passports of his American guests, because the knows these people will get arrested when they go back to American soil.

    I am not referring to Michael Moore’s Sicko boat. I am referring to thousands of Americans in the Northern states, who fly to Toronto, and from there to Cuba for medical services. I am referring to thousands of Americans in the Southern states who fly to Cancun, and from there to Cuba for the same purpose. They are not all Democrats!

    I’m Canadian and we have a universal health care system, but our system is starved for doctors and nurses, and is back logged for two years with respect to anyone who isn’t actually in danger of dying. We regard medical services as a right, the system is run by the government (much like Cuba I think), and its illegal for any medical precationer to set up a private “for profit” clinic. Problem for us; we graduate good doctors from our universities, but our doctors leave us in droves to practice south of the 49th, for economic opportunity. Se we then have to bring in doctors from other countries, and rob those countries of doctors, usually countries who are in far worse shape than we are in terms shortage of docotrs.

    So what’s it got to do with Cuba? Cuba acts as the Second Tier medical care for those Canadians who are unwilling to wait for their turn in the endless queue. We get excellent care; travel, sun, and accommodateions included, it’s a fraction of the price we would pay to go to an American Mayo style clinic. Only difference between us Canucks and the Americans going to Cuba, is that we get our passports stamped, because we have diplomatic relations with Cuba and won’t be arrested when we get home.

    So we’re not communists, but as close as we can get without risking an invasion from GWB and Co. but we are Liberal Slackers, and most of us don’t earn 250 k. plus. A good doctor can do it, but he / she would have to see an unconsionable number of patients in order to clear that (after office overheads).

    and ther is an Irony.
    Canadian tax rates are higher than those of U.S. but when you factor in the fact that our medical care is factored into our tax base, the difference dissppears.

    Re:
    Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
    FYI
    John McCain runs his campaign in the same way he used to fly airplanes, by the seat of his pants, his passengers have no ejection seats, and are desperate to eject, but he’s determined to take them down (with him). John McCain knows less about economic management than Windy knows about Cuba.

    Fanny Mae, and Freddie Mac, underwrote a miniscule number of sub prime loans by comparison. I’m sure McCain is not familiar with a Credit Default Swap (CDS). That’s where the trillions were lost. That’s a scam that mirrors mortgage insurance, a complicated instrument created to mirror mortgage insurance and allowing the banks to move their reserve requirments off their balance sheets, so they could write more of the stuff. AIG in turn marketed the premiums derived form the CDS’s, into a securitized investment “derivative”. So Aig in turn pawned off their risks on the public sector and instutional investors who thought it was a safe place to park money, and get a better rate of return than they would get from GWB’s artificially low interest rates.

    So what’s this got to do with John and Sarah?

    Well if John was serious about putting country first, he would have voted NO on the bail out, and then presented his 300 Billion package to buy out all the failing sub prime loans. That is likely less than a third of the current bail out package, and would actully benefit the people in most dire straits. Wall Street would end up exiting from the windows of their high rise towers, but at least the right people would get rewarded.

    An eerie comparison:
    Bin Laden and a group of terrorists sucked in GWB and almost “single handedly” hugely weakened the U.S. Constitutional,Military, and Civil society as a whole.

    There is a certain irony in the fact that a group of approximately ten major individuals has brought to ruin the economy of the world’s mightiest super power, done it wihout a shot being fired.

    I would be very surprised to find a single Democrat in the ranks of “The Ten”.

    In view of the foregoing, there isn’t much relevance to any discussions or arguments on right versus left, or who has a better tax plan.

    Neither Barack, nor McCain are able to fix this economic mess, and neither can the American people without making some very big changes, starting with a very wide broom.

    Forgot about Sarah, she might well have the skills to do it.

  • Miriam

    Great recap…RKF,
    Don’t get me started on the bailout. It’s ridiculous how we were all forced to swallow this bitter pill and Wall Street is gone. Dubya, Paulson et al, did what Bin Laden was unable to…they brought down a superpower as you say, without a shot. Can either candidate fix it in 8 years or less? Probably not, but I know who is more dangerous at the helm.

  • rkf

    Just prior to the American invasion of Iraq, I wrote the following memo to myself and pasted it to one of my hard drives. I just felt so strongly that this would end in disaster; it was basically just a “lament”

    BUSH GOES TO WAR

    Events Precedent:
    Bush is elected President of U.S.A. with no clear majority.

    9 / 11, Osama Bin Laden (Al-qaida) attacks America

    Casualties:
    • 3000 Dead
    • 4 Airliners
    • Destruction of the World Trade Center
    • Pentagon severely damaged
    • Civil Liberties are under attack
    • Racial Profiling becomes a security necessity
    • Open Borders become restricted
    • Airport Security cripples an industry
    • American economy is in free fall

    During this same time America suffered casualty losses of some 36,000 of their own citizens due to homeland gun violence.

    Bush Declares War on Terrorism:
    Bush establishes that there are direct links between Al-qaida and the Taliban Administration of Afghanistan, and removes the Taliban from power in Afghanistan. (Bush Provides air cover for existing opposition forces and wins decisive victory).

    OTHER BUSH WARS;

    • UNITED NATIONS
    • NATO
    • WTO
    • NAFTA
    • KYOTO
    • NUCLEAR NON-PROLIFERATION TREATY
    • STAR WARS ANTI MISSLE DEFENSE SYSTEM

    BUSH COINAGE:
    • If you are not with us, you are against us.
    • Axis of Evil refers to those countries that, according to Bush are not entitled to possess weapons of mass destruction. U.S. is of course exempt from such restrictions.
    • Shock and Awe
    • Imbedded Journalism
    • Overwhelming force (not new)

    Bush Declares War on Iraq:
    Bush declares war on Iraq in defiance of U.N., Russia, China, France and Germany, not to mention Canada. This is not about weapons of mass destruction, or security of America. Bush couldn’t find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, so therefore the definition of security risks had to be widened by force of repetition, to include countries without self-representative governments. It appears that Bush is willing to gamble the entire war on his belief that his forces will find weapons of mass destruction in hiding, once he’s taken over the land.

    A few big questions begging for answers:

    1. Is Bush extraordinarily courageous, or just plain reckless?
    An eerie similarity between Sadam and Bush; both subscribe to the divine rightness of their own positions. Sadam’s entitlements stem from a Godly anointment; Bush from an Oath of Office and the conviction of his religious faith

    2. How do you liberate a people, who are not looking for an American liberation, and how do you democratize a continent that has never known a democracy; and by whose decree does Bush determine that his version of democracy is a holy grail?

    All this American ordnance and firepower may not win the hearts and minds of Iraqi citizens, or persuade them that they will be better off under the shadow of these new guns.

    Al-qaida’s Terrorist Objectives:

    • Attack U.S. Political Center (Washington) (Foiled)
    • Attack U.S. Financial Center (World Trade Center)
    • Attack U.S. Military Establishment (Pentagon)

    Conclusion:
    Sadly it appears to me that Bush is now offering up to Al-Qaida, what they didn’t get on the first pass i.e. the political center. Once the tallies are in on the human carnage, the collateral damage, the hardware strewn in the deserts of Iraq, the costs involved, and the bodies counted, it’s hard to imagine a more successful outcome on the part of the Terrorists.

    And the war will go on…. And on.
    And I hope I’m wrong.
    And where are the Democrats?

  • nick

    Git r Done Palin!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Windy

    Someone wanted to know “where are the Democrats”. That’s easy, they’re all at ACORN spending tax payer monies.

  • rkf

    Windy, the dark side of capitalism is unfettered greed; the pursuit of self indulgence with no regard to those around you unable to obtain life’s basic needs for their own health and happines.

    For your information; Pres. Reagen did not collapse the Soviet Union; that is a myth; The USSR failed as a rsult of a collapsing economy,and you’ve just witnessed very similar events taking place in good old U.S.A.; a government not managed by Liberal Slackers.

    Soviet Union spent their way into the poor house.
    The U.S. Government spent their way into the poor house.

    Gorbechev eanted to do away with all nuclear warheads; Reagen’s military establishment persuaded Reagen not to do it. Gorbechev was eager to abandon Afghanistan and offered a deal to Reagen, but again Reagen rejected him, and flooded Afghanistan with Chinese made AK 47’s and shoulder held missles.

    In the process he also broke the bank, and economy didn’t get fixed until the liberal slacker Bill Clinton took over the White house.

    Redistribution of Wealth?
    Right wing economic terrorists did one hell of a redsitibution, unmatched in entire American history. Joe the Plumber and his successive generations will get to fix it.

    and geuss what?

    America is very blessed to have a righ wing slacker in the form of Barack Obama, to offer himself for this abusive office to fix the last eight years of capitalist plunder.

    Windy, I need another missive of equal length to respond to the outrageous comments on Acorn.

    On second thought, why would I bother.

    Ideology is a bad master.

    Reagen found a parade and got in front of it, and that is a direct quote from the late President Reagen himself.

    Only folks like Obama are driven by wealth redistribution. Just look at who wants to tax the workers and give it to the slackers. Socialism is the dark side of Capitalism — just look at what happened to the USSR (and still happening). Since Obama can’t depend on an honest voting system, his political machine (ACORN) is using tax monies to rig elections — sounds a lot like Cuba (and the like). The Messiah has come.

  • http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/many-jump-to-conclusions-make-opinions-before-hearing-all-of-the-facts/ thenonconformer

    Sarah Palin’s association with Pentecostal Christianity

    Do also note that while most news media, liberals, democrats had wrongfully belittled Sarah Palin’s association with Pentecostal Christianity, this actually next gave her more publicity, exposure and better still even next more support from many Christians. Not what the demons had expected or hope for for sure. The bashing of her religion was clearly a great mistake on their parts. Obama wishes he got so much coverage now as well…

  • scary

    breaking news … Obama is being funded by mid-east terrorist organizations … this will be called the Gaza Candidate !

  • Carmelo Junior

    5 November 2008

    McCain-Palin surprise win!

  • Cindy D

    Carmelo? Not unless either:

    A) The Republicans steal the election again, in which case (if the exit polls don’t jive with the outcome) there will be civil war.

    or

    B) Everyone who has finally found their brain (like the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz) simultaneously decides they don’t really like “thinking” very much.

  • Cindy D

    Dave,

    You have some house guests I see.

  • Carmelo Junior

    We will see, with all those angry Hillary supporters out there, the “bitter Americans who cling to their guns and God” and are “racists”. Let’s see who wants to steal the elctions like they stole Hillary’s nomination with that criminal organization called ACRON.
    Women of the world will take a step forward when the world hears that the most powerful nation on earth has a female vice president.

  • scooter
  • Bennett

    Is it just me? Or is it truly insane to let anyone who believes we’re in, or approaching, a biblical “End Of Days” to be within a missed heartbeat of the U.S. Presidency?

    The Red Button and all…

    Just wondering.

  • Bennett

    Damn, having used this post to air a random thought, I went and re read it, and I have to say that this Editorial is one of the finest pieces of prophetic sarcasm that I’ve ever read.

    Thank you S.J.Reidhead!

  • rkf

    Camelo
    5 November 2008
    There will be an earthquake in Washington DC;
    and if the Senate gets the magic 60 democrats(a fillibuster proof Senate,) the earthquake will be cataclysmic.

    A black man will restore your Fifth.
    A black man will your First Amendment,and give meanign to Clause V1 of your ogiginal Constitution, and if he’s as smart and resolved as I think he is, who knows, he might even shift your Supreme Court to the extent required to give meanign to your Second.

    You might even get universal health care if some right wing zealot doesn’t shoot him first.

    I will dance in the street on your account.

    The time has come to bring back your constituion and park it on the oval office.

    I am soooo excited for you.

  • Carmelo Junior

    This site is about Sarah Palin right? Maybe the writer of this article had a vision 6 months ago that Sarah Palin was the ONE. It had to be the republicans, those “racists” who hate women the ones who have a woman in their ticket.
    Unlike Obama, neither Sarah Palin neither John McCain stole any elections or primaries. They don’t have hidden marxist agendas. They were never friendly with terrorists, racists, communists or muslims anti semites. They have never been supported by racists, terrorists or anti semites foreign nationals.

    McCain/Palin win!

  • rkf

    Wed – 5 November 2008
    The damn Marxist has just stolen the election, same way he stole the primary.

    Sarah Palin will return to Alaska (minus the RNP wardrobe). A fur lined parka is better for pallin around with Aleuts, and cozier in an igloo. Joe the Plumber will retrieve his wrenches, and his monster truck. He will make all your pipe dreams come true.

    and who is John McCain?

    I am taking bets on the outcome, with odds 2-1 on Obama. I will have beer for a year!

    Good Canadian Ice Storm Beer, will knock your lights out sitting in the dark.

  • Kasey

    Rkf – Let’s not get too boastful! I am an Obama Supporter, but I don’t trust the polls.

    McCain and the Republicans are up to no good and I wouldn’t be surprised if we had a repeat of the last election (Gore/Bush). Republicans have been known to steal elections. I’m just hoping and praying that it won’t be this election that they will try to steal.

    With that said, to everyone reading this comment – Please go out and VOTE on Tuesday, November 4th!

  • rkf

    Kasey

    Understood!

    I believe last election was Bush/Kerry 2004, but I agree with you, the Gore/Bush election was stolen. I promise, I will hold my tongue until after after Nov. 4th.

    Unfortunately I cannot vote in your elections, but am not precluded from placing bets.

    If this election gets stolen, I would not want to be in the streets of Chicago, or Watts, or Pittsburgh. (can’t spell it).

  • Carmelo Junior

    Marxist president elect Obama just said his communist propaganda speech

  • rkf

    the people hae spoken
    WOW

  • Kasey

    YES, RKF – the PEOPLE have spoken CLEARLY!!!

  • Miriam

    Carmelo,

    why don’t you go hide out somewhere in a shack in a red state like Kentucky so we communists don’t find you?

    Great job, America, we made history yesterday!

  • Kasey

    I second that, Miriam!

    YES WE CAN!!!

  • miriam

    Hi Kasey,

    YES WE DID!

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    to answer the question the article poses, if really she didn’t know how many countries were in N.A., that would be one reason

  • Clavos

    Big “if,” EB. Most of the most recent (and totally unnecessary, since they were leaked post-election) rumors are coming from disgruntled shitheads inside the campaign.

    I learned early in my business career not to trust the word of disgruntled employees without careful investigation.

  • Kasey

    So, when will this blog finally shut down? – There’s nothing more to discuss about Sarah Palin. The American people decided on November 4th, 2008 that she is NOT QUALIFIED to be Vice President or President of our fine country!

    Thank GOD for having mercy on us. We would have all been in HELL had we had a McCain/Palin administration.

    I must say that I now have much respect for McCain after his concession speech. He seemed really sincere. If he would have shown that side in the beginning, I probably would have voted for him.

    Some suggestions for Sarah –

    * Take care of your 5 kids. As I tell everyone that I know, when you have kids, you have to sometimes put your dreams aside. That’s why I waited until my mid 30’s to get married and have children. I don’t care how you look at it and call me sexist if you’d like -when you are a woman with 5 kids including a special needs child, you should make them your first priority no matter how much you desire a career in politics. It’s just not fair to the kids! As much as I love my husband, he can’t take care of our kids like I can!!

    * Go get your PASSPORT

    * Don’t be such an ATTACK DOG if you should decide to ever run for PRES or VP. It was not cool when you made personal attacks against Obama. I may have just voted for you if you would have told the American people what YOU could offer as Vice President of the US. Remember that GOD does not like UGLY!

    *My last suggestion – DON’T EVER do any more interviews with Katie Couric. Unfortunately, you made a fool out of yourself and it will be a long time before the American people can forget your horrible interview with Ms. Couric.

    ~ Change we CAN BELIEVE IN~
    President Barack Obama
    2008 – 2016

  • Todd

    I just heard that Sarah Palin and Joe the plumber (a.k.a. Joe Sixpack) are running together in 2012. Break out the beer and party hats boys; good times are here again!

  • Carmelo Junior

    This blog will continue untill the first woman is sworn in as President of The United States: Sarah Palin.
    Thanks John McCain for giving us Sarah!

  • Miriam

    Good times are indeed here again, Todd and Carmelo, and they start next Tuesday, January 20th.

    Thank heaven for tincture of time….Sarah Who? Joe Who?

  • Dora

    If I were Governor or Senator or any type of Leader…I’d never use my media tv cronies or my people to put down or make fun or bully my competitor during an election. I would have stood up and corrected that type of behavior. This was the most rigged election I’ve ever seen. Sarah Palin was too honest and to Genuine to be mixing in with the likes of Obama, McCain and Lieberman and Clintons, these are dirty, dishonest politicians out for themselves. They’ll never give up their seats in the White House. They save it for their children and family and friends only. McCain/Lieberman were fake. They were only looking out for Obamas back.

  • Dora

    If the world was born blind……..would there still be bigots????? Yes, we would judge people by how they talk. Like they did with Sarah Palin and George W. Bush. Bigotry comes in many forms.

  • Dora

    Sarah Palin…..I love how she’s a big stick up a Democrat/Liberal’s Arse.
    A Real Republican….she’s no chicken.
    Stick to your guns!
    We love ya Sarah!!!

  • Miriam

    Dora says: “If the world was born blind……..would there still be bigots????? Yes, we would judge people by how they talk. Like they did with Sarah Palin and George W. Bush. Bigotry comes in many forms.”

    Does that make us bigots or does it make Sarah Palin and the former President absolute morons? If you sound like an ignoramus people will judge you and decide that you shouldn’t be running the free world. Things could have gone differently for McCain but he (or the GOP) made a horrible choice. To say that he was backing Obama is idiotic. Get over your loss. Sarah is a historic glitch in the GOP.

  • http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100301112147AAbntIZ Johhny wall

    Eric Weichselbaum rejects Sarah Palin’s invitation to go Moose hunting. The former Alaska governor, Sarah Palin invited Eric Weichselbaum on a moose hunting expedition in Iliamna, Alaska, but Weichselbaum, turned down the invite. “Killing animals for sport is not for me,” Weichselbaum said. While he respectfully declined the invite, Weichselbaum told Palin that he’d be glad to take part in a helicopter tour of Alaska, as long as shotguns are not involved.

  • George Vreeland Hill

    Sarah Palin has got to be the biggest moron in this country.
    Palin was laughed at when she was McCain’s VP choice, and she is being laughed at again.
    This woman shook hands with power and now she wants that power.
    Palin is full of greed and is running around trying to make herself look like a future president.
    That will never happen.
    Palin is a monster when it comes to power.
    She told the Democrats that they are all fired.
    Really Sarah?
    It seems to me that you do not have the right to say such garbage.
    After all, you were never hired.
    So how can you fire?
    Those remarks are typical of your nonsense.
    That is why SNL put your stupidity on their show.
    To those who read this …
    Sarah Palin is an idiot who has no clue.
    America said no to her before and this great nation will say no to her again.
    She has no chance.
    Women hate Palin and see through her.
    Men do not trust her.
    All Democrats laugh at her.
    The Republicans do not want Palin as their choice.
    For good reason.
    Sarah Palin is a laughingstock.
    I am,

    George Vreeland Hill