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Why is George Allen’s Jewish Heritage an Issue?

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At a campaign debate yesterday Virginia Senator George Allen was asked by a television reporter whether it was true that his grandfather was Jewish. Allen was upset and clearly considered the question to border on racism, but recovered and explained a bit about his ancestry, confirming that his gradfather was indeed an Italian Jew.

Allen's Jewish heritage has also been raised as an issue by left-wing bloggers and by Jewish groups and elsewhere in the media, many of whom have been critical of the Senator for trying to downplay the ethnic diversity of his background to appeal more to a white audience. Concerns about Allen's prejudices have also been raised because of his use of the obscure term 'macaca' to refer to a dark-skinned heckler, a term which he apparently learned from his mother who was from French North Africa where the term originates.

It is certainly true that Allen's potential racism – something which many people are at least slightly tainted with – is a legitimate concern for the voters and the media. But why are his mixed ancestry or his Jewish blood issues which should concern the media or on which he ought to be criticized or interrogated? How is the ethnicity and religion of his grandfather any more newsworthy than the fact that his father was a famous football coach? Do they perhaps think that people who have Jewish grandfathers are potential dictators? After all, Hitler had a Jewish grandfather, too. For that matter, most of the leading Neocons are Jewish, and they're the modern incarnation of evil in the minds of many on the left.

I was never much of a fan of Allen prior to this incident, but it certainly arouses some sympathy to see him the target of the kind of smear campaign that's building up against him, aimed not only at this campaign but at his potential aspirations for the White House in 2008. I also gained a somewhat more positive impression of Allen after seeing him on Meet the Press on Sunday. Allen came off as straightforward and reserved, but his opponent Jim Webb came off as such a creepy, edgy near-lunatic that I started to root for Allen just to keep Webb out of office. I don't mind seeing the occasional Democrat elected, but Webb seems to hearken back to the good old days of southern Democrats in the tradition of Strom Thurmond and Robert Byrd.

The Webb campaign has been accused of using anti-semitism as a campaign tactic a number of times, including circulating flyers with anti-semitic depictions of his primary opponent and racial attacks against Allen on campaign-related blogs. That theme now seems to have been picked up by the media.

The question all of this brings to my mind is whether racial ancestry is something that candidates should be campaigning on and using against their opponents, and should reporters be held accountable for lowering the tone of the campaign and their coverage of it by asking questions like this and making race a political issue?

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About Dave Nalle

Dave Nalle is Executive Director of the Texas Liberty Foundation, Chairman of the Center for Foreign and Defense Policy, South Central Regional Director for the Republican Liberty Caucus and an advisory board member at the Coalition to Reduce Spending. He was Texas State Director for the Gary Johnson Presidential campaign, an adviser to the Ted Cruz senatorial campaign, Communications Director for the Travis County Republican Party and National Chairman of the Republican Liberty Caucus. He has also consulted on many political campaigns, specializing in messaging. Before focusing on political activism, he owned or was a partner in several businesses in the publishing industry and taught college-level history for 20 years.
  • http://silverstarhawk.livejournal.com Jared Wright

    I’ve never quite understood the obsession the political media has with religious affilliation. Seems all I heard about leading up to the 2000 election was Leiberman’s choice of faith. If you’re electing these people, you’re expecting them to respect the separation of church and state, so their choices concerning religion should play a very minor role in whether or not they’re adequately equipped for the job.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Dave,

    I read this article with a certain amount of interest. I have been told by reliable sources, and have repeated this without crediting the sources, that there will be a rise in anti-Semitic propaganda and sentiment in the United States. What had been the near future appears to be now.

    This attacking of Allen’s Jewish ancestry comes as no surprise at all to me, considering the things I’ve been warned about.

    Since most of the Jews would automatically close their minds to what I say about assimilation in the States by Jews – I’ve held my tongue for the most part on this issue.

  • http://mrbounce.blogspot.com/ Mistress La Spliffe

    When did the Webb campaign start getting accused of anti-Semitism? Because after being retarded enough to publicly toss a cameraman (not a ‘heckler’) a nasty if obscure ethnic slur, I can imagine Allen wanting to quickly cast himself as a victim of racism instead of an idiotic propagator of it.

    And are you serious, Jared Wright? Voters all over the world have been very clear lately about connecting a candidate’s faith and his or his party’s policies. The United States has surely been no exception. Your sanguine secularism is like a ray of pleasant sun, though.

  • Jay

    Wait, so the Jewish groups who raised the issue are being anti-semitic?

  • portia

    There are many inaccuracies in this column; the most glaring is the oft-repeated rumor of Hitler’s grandfather being Jewish. This comes under the heading of wishful thinking. It seems to attract people, perhaps because of the perversity of Jews being killed by a Jew? It ain’t so. Check any legitimate source, Hitler did not have Jewish ancestors. I’ve checked it myself.

  • Heloise

    Dave,

    The odd thing is that Allen said he had “no clue” about the word ‘macaca.’ He said he “made it up.” Right. The young man was dark-skinned.

    Why didn’t he just ask someone or the man what his name was? And to make up an accurate racial slur…hmmm. Not believing it.

    So if you can’t take the racial heat then one really ought to stay out of the political kitchen.

    Heloise

  • Lumpy

    The hitlers grandfather thing is reasonable speculation based on his grandmother birthing a bastard while a maid in a jewish houshold.

    As for the macaca issue, who cares? It ‘s incredibly trivial. But I guess not surprising in the atmpospere where the race of a candidates grandfather is an issue. Ridiculous.

  • JustOneMan

    It’s simple the majority of those in media are left wing Democrats which equates to anti-semitic racists…pure and simple…or just self hating jews or both

  • Alex Porti III

    Alright, so they’re both racists. What a suprise. Two white racists running against each other in a campaign. In America ?!!? No….

    But I can see your point of view. I dont mind if an occaisional Democrat gets elected either.

    Why dont you apply at fox.

  • JustOneMan

    “occaisional Democrat” hmmmmm is that being like an occasional racist?

    All the dems want to do is keep minorities down so they can use them to pander for votes and public assistance….

  • http://xxyr.com/ JT

    So many misconceptions, it makes me wonder if anyone is capable of rational thought.

    He wasn’t “attacked” for being Jewish. He was asked about his ancestry – I’ll explain why in a minute – and he first lied, then pretended he didn’t know, then bragged about eating ham like being Jewish was something to be ashamed of. If there’s any anti-Semitism, it’s in the mind of Allen and his followers.

    Now why would it be “fair game” to ask a candidate about this? First of all, if you didn’t object when Madeleine Albright was asked about her Jewish heritage – which she initially didn’t know about – no one considered it a scandal to ask. So if you didn’t consider that a scandal, you have no ground for raising an objection.

    The reason he was asked was that his mother’s ancestry became relevant when he called his opponent’s researcher – not a “heckler” (he didn’t utter a word!) – “macaca”. Do a Google search, my friends! It is in very active use by European and American hate groups, and not to mean “monkey”. It’s a very nasty slur, as anyone can find out for themselves in just a few minutes.

    However obscure the term is to you and I, there are two groups for whom it is not at all obscure: French Tunisians, and racists. His mother belongs to the first group, and he is widely, and long, suspected of belonging to the second.

    So howl all you want about the “anti-Semitic” act of asking “are you Jewish”. But when you call the only dusky person in the room, in effect, a “sand n***er”, you open yourself up to this kind of scrutiny.

    And you deserve it. I fail to see how anyone is a racist for pointing this out – whether they are members of the press, part of the Webb campaign, or just a natural born Virginian of Indian heritage who gets called an ethnic slur in a room full of white people.

  • Patrick Henry

    As a Virginian I find both of these candidates less than inspiring, but there’s no question that Webb and his indian videographer were trying to provoke Allen. He should have known better than to respond, of course.

    But I do agree with the main point of the original article. While his mother’s role in teaching him to call people ‘macaca’ may be of academic interest, what the hell does his grandfather being jewish have to do with it?

    This is a case of journalistic pot stirring where the reporters are trying to make the news more interesting. It’s unprofessional. Murrow would not approve.

  • http://silverstarhawk.livejournal.com Jared Wright

    La Spliffe. The media plays a very big role in what is considered important by voters. The issues that get the most coverage will naturally be viewed by the media’s consumers as the most important. Therefore, one very large reason for all the voters’ close association of faith with policy is the media’s stifling coverage of candidates’ faith-based choices. I don’t see these as important characteristics and choose instead to focus on other aspects of the candidates’ campaigns. I find it to be an effective tactic. If the media spent less time haggling over who worships who, we’d have a more educated public choosing our elected officials.

  • Lumpy

    It seems bizarre that a media made up mostly of secular humanists should give so much attention to the religious preferences of candidates. I attribute it to pure laziness which makes them want to apply labels to people for easy identification.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    I learned that Hillary had a Jewish ancestor when she was running for the Senate (in NY) in 2000.

    I learned that John Kerry (a Senator from MA) had a Jewish ancestor when he was running for President in 2004.

    Now I learn that George Allen (a Senator from VA) had a Jewish ancestor while he is running for re-election to the Senate in 2006.

    There are also 11 “overt” Jews in the Senate:

    Both the ladies from CA, both the men from WI, Schumer in NY, Lautenberg in NJ, Levin in MI, Lieberman in CT, Specter in PA, Coleman in MN, and Wyden in OR. (Paul Wellstone of MN was Jewish as well, but he died and then fellow-Jew Coleman won his Senate seat in the next election.)

    Also, Vermont looks likely to elect the Jewish Bernie Sanders to the Senate in 2006, and the Jewish Ben Cardin looks pretty likely to become the Junior Senator from Maryland.

    So…13 “overtly” Jewish Senators, and another 3 (that I know of) partial-Jewish Senators makes 16 out of 100, or 16%.

    There are currently about 6 million Jews in the US, or roughly 2% of the total population.

    There’s only one black Senator (Obama), and blacks make up around 12% of the population. There are three Hispanic/Latino Senators (Menendez, Martinez, and Salazar), and Hispanics/Latinos make up roughly 13% of the population.

    Sooo…can anybody account for this disproportionately-high percentage of Jews in the US Senate? Other “minorities” don’t seem to have the same level of success at gaining high federal elective office…

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    RJ, if you do the research chances are that every member of the Senate, including the Jews and the one Black have some Scotts ancestry. Does that mean that Scotts rule the world?

    Oh yeah, they do…never mind.

    Dave

  • http://mrbounce.blogspot.com/ Mistress La Spliffe

    What have been the specific episodes of anti-Semitism that the Webb campaign has been accused of? I’m very curious, because Dave Nalle’s article is very vague on this point.

    Has it struck no one else how well-timed a debate over anti-Semitic racism is in this case? And racism is the phenomenon we’re talking about here, not religion. We’re talking about physical descent from a Jewish grandfather – not faith-based practices. But as far as I can tell, so far we’re talking about one yes-or-no question from one reporter.

    Jared Wright, I appreciate your personal attitude but you shouldn’t ignore the media panders to the public as well as persuades it. And religious basis for political philosophy is something some of your politicians promote directly.

  • JustOneMan

    RJ..I think you are on to something…we should have “quotas” just like in other government jobs for all elected officials….this way we can have even more unqualified people and “tokens” running our country…

    Gee I think I am starting to think like a Dumbocrat!

  • Maurice

    RJ

    I hope I am misreading your comments. Carrying your logic to the next level I would ask are there too many black guys in the NBA?

    They seem to be over represented….

  • JustOneMan

    Maurice…how come we have quotas for jobs and college but not for – college or professional sports (which is a job!)

    So are we saying that its ok to compete on the field or court but not in the work place – public or private?

    Hmmmmmmmm….liberal logic!

  • Maurice

    JOM

    I think we are in violent agreement.

    But I’m not sure….

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    What have been the specific episodes of anti-Semitism that the Webb campaign has been accused of? I’m very curious, because Dave Nalle’s article is very vague on this point.

    I don’t believe I ever said the Webb campaign had been accused of anti-Semitism. What Jim Webb has been accused of is a different kind of bias – specifically against African Americans and especially against women. He’s rather famous for it, in fact.

    Has it struck no one else how well-timed a debate over anti-Semitic racism is in this case? And racism is the phenomenon we’re talking about here, not religion.

    Well timed in what sense? And who do you think is ‘timing’ these things?

    We’re talking about physical descent from a Jewish grandfather – not faith-based practices. But as far as I can tell, so far we’re talking about one yes-or-no question from one reporter.

    What I hope we’re talking about is whether this kind of question is a good use of journalistic resources or what the public really wants journalists to ask potential legislators.

    Dave

  • http://mrbounce.blogspot.com/ Mistress La Spliffe

    To quote – well – you:

    “The Webb campaign has been accused of using anti-semitism as a campaign tactic a number of times, including circulating flyers with anti-semitic depictions of his primary opponent and racial attacks against Allen on campaign-related blogs. That theme now seems to have been picked up by the media.”

    Did these accusations come before or after Allen called the cameraman a macaca? I would suggest Allen’s supporters could consider it a good idea to put forth such accusations after Allen caught flack for using a racist slur publicly to co-opt the racist victim card. I would ask whether this latest press-conference flap would be part of this good idea. I understand such questions seem a little conspiratorial, but it wouldn’t be the first time politicians had asked press staff to ask the right questions at the right time, would it?

    And conspiratorial as that sounds, it makes more sense than the media making an honest fuss over something as inconsequential a Jewish grandfather, which I assure you I find absurd, uninteresting, and inappropriate.

  • http://mrbounce.blogspot.com/ Mistress La Spliffe

    The fuss, I mean. Not the grandfather.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    You’re quite right, La Spliffe. After my more recent exposure to Webb’s personal bigotry on Meet the Press I forgot all about the earlier accusations about the flyer with the anti-semitic cartoon and the other accusations against Webb.

    Did these accusations come before or after Allen called the cameraman a macaca? I would suggest Allen’s supporters could consider it a good idea to put forth such accusations after Allen caught flack for using a racist slur publicly to co-opt the racist victim card.

    I think the anti-semitism business predates Allen’s macaca gaffe. And the other accusations of sexism and racism against Webb go back decades.

    I would ask whether this latest press-conference flap would be part of this good idea. I understand such questions seem a little conspiratorial, but it wouldn’t be the first time politicians had asked press staff to ask the right questions at the right time, would it?

    If Allen had set it up I’d hope he had a more coherent answer than he managed to stammer out when he was aksed the question.

    Dave

  • http://mrbounce.blogspot.com/ Mistress La Spliffe

    Incoherence isn’t the same as innocence. From all accounts, I don’t think the people of Virginia are faced with the conundrum of choosing between a pair of well-poised mental giants.

    But really – where are these examples? What anti-Semitic cartoon? Which blogs? How close to the horses’ mouth are these incidences of Webb’s anti-Semitism? Webb is a dick of long standing, but in this context the well-timed racist accusations are vague and suspicious enough that it’s important to have all the sources straight.

    If only Webb’s people had been anti-Semitic on camera to the Jewish cameraman . . . it would be so much easier.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Incoherence isn’t the same as innocence.

    Come again? You’re saying that having a Jewish grandfather makes you guilty of something?

    From all accounts, I don’t think the people of Virginia are faced with the conundrum of choosing between a pair of well-poised mental giants.

    There I’ll agree with you. They’re a pair of creeps and I think Webb might actually be clinically insane.

    But really – where are these examples? What anti-Semitic cartoon?

    Here’s a link to an article on the cartoon.

    Which blogs? How close to the horses’ mouth are these incidences of Webb’s anti-Semitism? Webb is a dick of long standing, but in this context the well-timed racist accusations are vague and suspicious enough that it’s important to have all the sources straight.

    I can’t post more than two links in a comment on BC, but you can find stuff all over the web about Webb’s various racist and sexist positions, including his display of a confederate flag in his office, apologetics for the confederacy, opposition to affirmative action and desire to ban women from the military. And as far as the timing, the anti-semitic accusations originate in the PRIMARY where his opponent was Jewish.

    Dave

  • Nancy

    RJ (#15), you might consider also there are only 67 women members of congress, out of 535 total – less than 13% – yet women make up a tad more than HALF the population of the US. And this sorry figure is the highest percentage we’ve ever had.

    The WP today has a long article & an interview w/Allen’s mother, in which she states that she just advised him of his Jewish ancestry a very short time ago, and asked him subsequently to keep it secret, which is probably why he hasn’t said anything to anyone, or was hesitant to acknowledge it in public, not that he was “ashamed” in any way. I’m no fan of his, but I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this score, and also to aim a kick at the reporter who inappropriately brought it up. Such a subject had no place in the debate, and IMO Allen was right to bristle.

    I wish someone would surprise me with information about an interesting ancestral connection. My background is bo-ring & homogenous. Or is that homoginized?

  • http://mrbounce.blogspot.com/ Mistress La Spliffe

    David, don’t be disingenuous enough to imply I’m suggesting Allen having a Jewish grandfather is something he is ‘guilty’ of, or that I’m denying Webb’s established racism and sexism. That’s just silly.

    I’m suggesting – very plainly – the people supporting Allen are trying to divert flack from his own public racist comment by acting like he’s the victim of his opponent’s rather sick stances and of a diffuse media anti-Semitism. And that diversion would be something to be ‘guilty’ of, no matter how sick his opponent is.

    In other words, I’m suggesting the answer to the question “Why is George Allen’s Jewish Heritage a Campaign Issue?” is that it’s in George Allen’s interest for it to be a campaign issue. I’m suggesting the utter political inconsequentiality of having a Jewish grandfather would not have come up recently unless George Allen needed to divert attention from racially slagging off a dark-skinned man.

    Especially after there had been a speculative fuss about a crude, ugly but non-ethnically specific cartoon directed at someone else during one of Webb’s earlier campaigns, and in light of Webb’s established bigotry aimed at other groups.

    The situation leaves me sorry for the people of Virginia and not even a little sorry for Allen.

  • Jim

    Question: Was your grandfather Jewish?
    Possible Answers: Yes, no, I don’t know.
    Being Jewish, Italian, French, Black, White, etc – simple facts of life. He had just said that his grandfather was in a German concentration camp during WWII and that his grandfather had taught his mother not to judge people because of their religious beliefs or ethnicity. George implied it was the number one lesson he’s learned in life. So…tell us a little more about that. Was your grandfather Jewish? Was he judged in that way? What was his experience? How was this lesson handed to you by your mother? Do you remember you realized it was the most important lesson of your life? A heartfelt answer would have won the election right there and then.

  • http://bacalar.blogspot.com Howard Dratch

    Many years ago I read a study by the A.D.L. that anti-semitism hit one of its’ highs in 1949 as the extent of the German genocide became more widely known.

    Now, 5 years past the attack on New York, it seems to be growing again. Why, I wonder? And, too long out of the States, I am confused when supporting another country (Israel),which is fighting the same terrorists, became “conservative”.

    Two Southern politicians are using race and religion in their campaign (nothing new there). What is new is that the anti-semitism, racism and hatreds of my childhood are getting popular again in America.

    Dave has pointed it out — this weak link in American life. Since visibility is the enemy of racism and bigotry — Good work!.

  • Nancy

    Allen’s gaffe/sin with the “Macaca” thing is that he used the word at all, and then repeated it (so it was no made-up word), while in a company consisting entirely of whites, with the one exception of this lone kid from India, and made it clear to the audience that he was establishing an “us vs him” situation, Us White Native-Born Americans against That Dark (probably illegal) Foreigner Over There. He would have gotten in far less trouble if he’d stuck to the fact that the young man was from Wells’ campaign & left his ethnicity alone – but as anyone who knows Allen is aware, Allen has a history of pervasive racism whenever he thinks there’s no one around to tattle on him. This isn’t the first time he’s been caught being a good ol’ boy cracker redneck of the Dubya Bush persuasion. To their shame, usually the people of the less cosmopolitan areas of Virginia enjoy this kind of garbage. They certainly don’t object, nor have any of the crowd that were present at the Macaca gathering voiced any problems with the situation.

    I confess it didn’t occur to me that Allen might be playing up the Jewish angle to divert attention from the Macaca incident & to create an air of martyrdom for himself. He’s pretty tight with Bush…I’ll bet that’s a suggestion straight from Karl Rove. It has the Rovian trashy touch, certainly.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    What I find so intriguing about all this is that instead of concentrating on calling Allen a racist for using a term like “macaca,” the media is concentrating on his Jewish origin. Instead of simply trying to paint him as a racist, the media is implying something very different – “another yid’s kid trying to pass as one of us – and the prick got hoisted on his own petard to boot because he called somebody a macaca!”

    That is what I read out of all this; a subtle attempt to delegitimize Jews in America and force them on the defensive – all the time…

    Far wiser for these Jerusalem gentry to leave the fine shores of America and just come home – before someone makes it impossible to bring their money out…

  • JustOneMan

    Hey Ruvy I finally figured you out…I bet you get a commission for every American Jew you recruit off this blog site to go to your “welfare” state?

  • Nancy

    Ruvy, I like you very much & love your writing, but you’re starting to sound like a bit of a neurotic about this persecution stuff. I think it has a lot more to do with Allen being an obnoxious faux-cracker like his hero, Dubya, than it has to do with anything Jewish. If he’d handled it with something reasonable like “why yes – I just found out last week from my mom; quite a pleasant surprise”, it would have fallen as flat as last week’s open beer bottle.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Nancy,

    I understand how you might see this but there are things you don’t see that I do. Allen’s own attitude towards his Jewish ancestry indicates it’s something he’d rather hide. What does that say about him? What does that say about the crowd he prefers to hang with? What does that say about Jewish ancestry generally in America? Right now it is perceived as a negative, something, not particularly pleasant that one has to cope with when it’s “outed”.

    I don’t give a crap about the Republicans, Democrats or the idiots who advise/d Bush. I’m interested in how this gets played and perceived and how this effects Jews in the larger sense.

    In the final analysis, Jews do not have to deal with crap like this at all if they are not minorities in your (or another) country, and that they refuse to see the dangers inherent in persisting to remain a minority being constantly withered by assimilation and intermarriage annoys me no end. Remember, I still have lots of family in America and the trends I see there mean that ultimately I’ll have to write them off. I’m talking about my nephews, my cousins and others and their children.

    So this is not an academic issue for me.

  • JustOneMan

    But Ruvy how do the minorities fare in a country run by Jews? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    JOM,

    Not bad guessing. Unfortunately it ain’t so. If it were I’d be huffin’ and puffin’with the “good news” a lot harder than I do.

    But the Jewish Agency does get money for every Jew that leaves exile.

    I am not employed by the Jewish Agency.

  • http://mrbounce.blogspot.com/ Mistress La Spliffe

    Jewish people survived thousands of bitterly hard years as minorities in other people’s countries, Ruvy, incomparably – INCOMPARABLY harder than what they face in the United States now. Don’t you think you’re being a little harsh on your own family now? Writing them off? Wow. Something tells me it’s not just about anti-Semitism, the United States and Israel with you.

  • JustOneMan

    Heres some facts on how non-Jews are discriminated for living in Israel

    1. Jews are allowed long-term leaseholds up to 49 years, while non-Jews are allowed only up to 3 years.

    2. the law gives discriminatory privileges to Jews is that those privileges are granted to “persons who would have benefited from the Law of Return had they been outside the borders of Israel.” The Law of Return specifies that its benefits can be given only to Jews. However, Israeli propagandists calculate, correctly in my view, that a great majority of the opponents of discrimination would not dare to criticize this law.

    3. The natives of Palestine have had their residency status in Jerusalem revoked if they are maried to an Israeli just because they are not 100% Jewish. Try that for anti-semitism, only this time by Israel.

    4. Jews are not permitted to marry non-Jews

    Gee America is so much worse that that “cat box” you live in….

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    JOM,

    “But Ruvy how do the minorities fare in a country run by Jews? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???”

    Fortunately, that is not my problem but theirs.

    The non-Jewish minorities have all learned to whine and cry about any perceived insult. They all know that the whole world is watching. They have a number of organizations that look after their interests. In addition there is an Israel Human Rights Organization staffed by self hating Israelis that does the same, and a whole slew of NGO types funded by the European Union who do their damndest to paint us in the worst possile light.

    And then there is the UN…

    Go look it up. It makes fun reading. Keep the barf bag handy – these scum do the same thing to America as well. You tend to call them dumbo-crats.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    JOM,

    Provide some links for your allegations – that’s all they are until you provide those links.

  • JustOneMan

    So rather than address the facts youd rather attack the messenger…gee…next youll claim that youve been victimized

    ….10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1

  • http://mrbounce.blogspot.com/ Mistress La Spliffe

    Victimized? Victimized like George Allen, who’s not that bad because he says he didn’t quite know what ‘macaca’ meant when he threw it at a dark man, but who’s now hitting the headlines as the pitiable victim of diffuse media anti-Semitism because a reporter asked him if he had a Jewish grandfather and his opponent is a sexist racist who had a cartoon on one of his old pamphlets of a man in horn-rimmed glasses with a big nose?

    I knew we’d get back on topic. Poor George Allen.

    The real victim here is the state of Virginia. Not Ruvy. Not Israel. And certainly not George Allen.

  • Nancy

    Well, Ruvy, I admit I can’t walk a mile in your moccasins, so I guess I’ll never recognize the same threats, if threats there be, and given the history of the way the world usually has treated Jews, I can understand you’d rather be safe than sorry.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Mistress,

    What you do not comprehend is that assimilation and intermarriage are the “kinder, gentler” form of genocide. There are no riots, no discrimination – and no one to complain to. All trhere is is the knowledge, whether you want to acknowledge it or not, that you are the salt and all around you is the water and inevitably you and your values will get washed away.

    Your kids walk out on the sacrifices of 50 generations because they are “choosing a different life style.” BULLSHIT! Complain to one of the assimilated Jews at the conservative synagogue and you’re likely to hear “Your children chose to walk out of the faith – if you don’t know how to raise a Jewish child, it’s your problem, deal with it;” or “what’s wrong with intermarriage?” tossed at me from a reform Jew whose knowledge of Judaism was so bad that he didn’t even realize that mixing milk and meat was not kosher; this is basic stuff. Or even more fun – going to the Baptist funeral of my mother-in-law (who converted) on a Saturday.

    It’s this kind of crap I left. I saw my kids being sucked up in the maw of what is called “culture” in America and decided that if they were suckered by the porn that makes up so much or American culture, and that they couldn’t keep their zippers in their pants, at least the grandchild should be a Jew and the girl’s mother should not stalk off to some church to have the little kid baptized, leaving me sick at heart and drinking bitter bile for the rest of my life. That is the kinder, gentler holocaust of assimilation and intermarriage that I could foresee and decided I wanted no part of.

    If we Jews did not have a state of our own, that we paid for in blood, I could easily see not viewing this situation in America as particularly bad. THEN you would have an intelligent argument. But we do have a land of our own – even if we have to fight for it every damned day, and we do not have to live IN EXILE anymore. That is the point. No black in America can walk out on the States and go to a homeland. I could; and I did.

  • JustOneMan

    Mistress what you dont comprehend is that Ruvy is not telling you the whole truth about his pius countrymen

    Israel’s sex trade booming

    Human trafficking in Israel rakes in more than USD billion a year, findings in annual parliamentary survey show

    By Miri Hasson Published: 03.23.05, 12:44

    TEL AVIV – Thousands of women are being smuggled into Israel, creating a booming sex trade industry that rakes more than USD one billion a year, a parliamentary committee said on Wednesday.

    The Parliamentary Inquiry Committee, headed by Knesset member Zehava Galon of the left-wing Yahad party, commissioned the report in an effort to combat the sex trade in Israel. Findings showed that some 3,000 and 5,000 women are smuggled to Israel annually and sold into the prostitution industry, where they are constantly subjected to violence and abuse.

    The report, issued annually, said some 10,000 such women currently reside in about 300 to 400 brothels throughout the country. They are traded for about USD 8,000 – USD 10,000, the committee said.

    The U.S. State Department ranks Israel in the second tier of human trafficking around the world, saying the Jewish State does not maintain minimal conditions regarding the issue but is working to improve them.

    Israel passed a law in 2003 that would allow the state to confiscate the profits of traffickers, but watchdog groups say it is rarely enforced.

    Most foreign prostitutes in Israel come from Ukraine, Moldova, Uzbekistan and Russia and many are smuggled in across the Egyptian border.

    The committee found that the women work seven days a week for up to 18 hours every day and that out of the NIS 120 paid by customers, they are left with just NIS 20, while the rest of the money is passed on to their traders.

    The prostitutes face constant threats of abuse and murder, the report said, and Israeli law does little to help them. Delays in trial dates and prolonged hearings force the women to remain exposed to violence for more than a year until they are called in to provide testimony, and courts rarely collect early testimonies, as permitted by law.

    To help combat the problem, the committee recommended that the state prosecutor’s office refrain from making plea bargains with sex traders. It also advised to raise the threshold of punitive measures and pushed for financial compensation for sex trade victims

  • JustOneMan

    Ruvism – accepting Jesus leads to another Jewsih Holocaust….

  • http://adreamersholiday.blogspot.com Lee Richards

    As a resident of Virginia I could relate a lot of facts and opinions about George Allen, including a number of examples of his saying one thing and doing another, his threatening while governor to “knock their milk teeth down their whiney throats”–that of legislators who disagreed with him (no wonder he supports Bush 97% of the time), and his general arrogance, condescension and phoniness. A fact some of you may find interesting is the combination of two items he once displayed in his office–a Confederate flag and a noose. (By the way, I once worked in the campaign of our other Virginia Senator, John Warner, who is a Republican).

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    JOM,

    The solution to this problem is firs to kill the members of the Russian mafia who are running the sex trade here – we do not need to waste time on trials – we know who they are; to pass laws giving women dignity and ending the legalized prostitution that exists here, and then to enforce them by killing its violators, to kick the Egyptians out of the Sinai (again) so that the main route for smuggling these poor women into Israel will be closed, to ensure that Bedouins living in Israel have full rights, so that never again will a criminal syndicate be able to bribe them, to pay policemen a high enough wage so that they cannot be so easily bribed by a criminal syndicate, if one arises, and to help the young women (and any children they might have) victimized by these criminals to live normal lives, either here or the countries where they were lured from.

    One way to insure that this whore trade never reared its head again, would be to stamp on the passports of the tourists and on the ID’s of the natives, that they had gone to use a prostitute, and to publicize their names on TV.

    Prostitution is not a victimless crime. If you Americans want to indulge, you should feel free, but not here.

  • El Campeador

    “Or even more fun – going to the Baptist funeral of my mother-in-law (who converted) on a Saturday. It’s this kind of crap I left.”

    OH NO. That’s awful! How could one go to a Baptist funeral on a SATURDAY? Should have stayed home, and stayed off the phone to boot. Silly woman should have died on a Monday ffs. How inconsiderate of her.

    You are so right to leave this terrible place and go sit on the bulldozed remnants of a Palestinian’s house.

  • http://mrbounce.blogspot.com/ Mistress La Spliffe

    Ruvy, calling “assimilation and intermarriage” genocide is like spitting in the face of all the people in the world who are facing physical genocide and ethnic cleansing today and who have faced it throughout history.

  • zingzing

    ruvy, you sound like richard brodie. shitty, isn’t it?

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    So little you understand, Mistress,

    There are two kinds of deaths. One is the physical one faced when the heart or brain stops. This can be painful, very painful, especially in a gas chamber where poison fills the body with panic, pain and terror in addition to bringing a certain death…

    The second kind of death is the death of the spirit. This does not involve dying in the physical sense of the word. But you feel you are dying each day.

    Those who suffered death through extermination suffered the first kind of death, a painful and hurtful final few moments of life where only the strongest of spirits could muster the courage to reach out the Almighty.

    The second kind of death lets you live until your body ceases to function. But your desire to reach out tho the Almighty for comfort or hope withers, and you feel yourself living an empty shell of a life. This does not involve being arrested or tortured; you torture yourself and there is no release from the prison of your own soul. That is what this kinder and gentler form of genocide incurs.

    That is what I saw happening to me if I lived in America with the certainty that all the generations of stubbornly sticking it out and persevering terrible and painful persecutions were to be sacrificed by two boys or their heirs in America because being a Jew just didn’t matter enough – there were better entertainments to be had.

    So I sacrificed our economic security at age 50 for an uncertain future in a war zone because I finally understood that there were more important things than money, living well or even living – and I could not bear the thought that the persecution my ancestors had suffered in Europe – not to mention the members of my family robbed from me by Hitler’s death camps – I could not bear the thought that all that sacrifice and suffering would have been in vain.

  • Brian

    To me, the issue lies in the fact that:

    1. Allen does not have to wear his religion on his sleeve but the fact that he seems to be ashamed of this and his prior determination to hide it disturbs me.

    2. This goes back to “macaca” which is a common slur amongst French Tunisians and his mother is French Tunisian. Is it a coincidence? Maybe but Allen had opened up that line of intrigue himself.

    3. What is most disturbing is that he has Jewish roots and claims to be reformed and yet, agreed to be photographed back in 1996 with various members of the Citizen’s Council including some well known figures in the white supremecist movement. And he knew what he was doing to. The fact that this contradicts his claims that his love of Confederate memorabilia(sp?) since if it was a thing of his youth, then why was he photographed with these men in a booth surrounded with Confederate paraphenalia.

    Plus, if Allen really does have ties with supremecist groups, would that be a motivating reason for why he and his mother wanted to keep his Jewish ancestry private?

    Also, this is politics and religion will always be brought up. Al Smith was crushed back in 1928 in part because of his Roman Catholic youths, JFK had to answer questions about being Roman Catholic when he ran in 1960. Liberals have been accused of being godless secularists, Harold Ford ran an ad talking about the role of religion in his life in response to a Bob Corker attack ad that accused him of not holding the “same values”.

    In short, Allen opened the door of questioning with “macaca”, the photograph and prior possession of Confederate memorabilia raises questions on his views on race and the fact that he tried to hide his ancestry and reacted rather viciously in response is at best, odd to me. If Allen had no prior idea, then I would sympathize but he knew and rather than something like “I do have Jewish ancestry but that is not important”, he and his supporters react harshly and petulantly.

    In the end, I still think Allen will win the election but this campaign has damaged, if not destroyed his chances for the presidency in 2008 and beyond.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Brian, thank you for bringing the subject around again to George Allen.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Ruvy: Instead of simply trying to paint him as a racist, the media is implying something very different – “another yid’s kid trying to pass as one of us – and the prick got hoisted on his own petard to boot because he called somebody a macaca!”

    I think you hit the nail on the head here, and it’s what I tried to bring out in my article. Why rather than his own statements or any of the other issues in the campaign is THIS issue of ancestry, which ought to be trivial, getting so much media attention?

    Ruvy: That is what I read out of all this; a subtle attempt to delegitimize Jews in America and force them on the defensive – all the time…

    And here’s where you go off the deep end into paranoia, because many of those making an issue of Allen’s ancestry are themselves Jews.

    MLS: Victimized? Victimized like George Allen, who’s not that bad because he says he didn’t quite know what ‘macaca’ meant when he threw it at a dark man,

    I have to point out that for about a week after the incident no one knew what the hell ‘macaca’ meant until someone finally researched the word and made it public. It’s an insult in an obscure dialect from a remote part of the world and I doubt there was anyone in the audience including the target of the term who knew what the hell it was.

    MLS: but who’s now hitting the headlines as the pitiable victim of diffuse media anti-Semitism because a reporter asked him if he had a Jewish grandfather and his opponent is a sexist racist who had a cartoon on one of his old pamphlets of a man in horn-rimmed glasses with a big nose?

    And money falling out of his pockets…always a key feature in anti-semitic charicatures.

    Lee Richards: A fact some of you may find interesting is the combination of two items he once displayed in his office–a Confederate flag and a noose.

    Do you have a first-hand source for this information or even better, a picture? Because the only accusation I’ve heard come out of Virginia is that Webb had a confederate flag in his office.

    MLS: Ruvy, calling “assimilation and intermarriage” genocide is like spitting in the face of all the people in the world who are facing physical genocide and ethnic cleansing today and who have faced it throughout history.

    Breeding a race out of existence does still count as a form of genocide, just like sterilizing them would. But yes, as Zing pointed out, Ruvy is now making arguments usually in the arsenal of white supremacists.

    Dave

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Dave,

    My comment #54 si something you find to be a weapon in the arsenal of a white supremacist? Interesting.

  • http://adreamersholiday.blogspot.com Lee Richards

    Dave, # 57: Allow me to slightly amend my comment to conform to the following news item. Here’s one citation out of many available in-state reports.
    “The Virginian Pilot” (a large newspaper in the eastern part of VA), 9-13-06:
    “Allen wore a Confederate flag pin on his lapel in his 1970 graduation picture from a Southern California high school. He hung a noose from a plant in his Charlottesville law office in the 1980s and a Confederate flag inside his house.”

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    My comment #54 si something you find to be a weapon in the arsenal of a white supremacist? Interesting.

    Sorry Ruvy, but that’s just the way it is. They talk a lot about racial purity and avoiding miscegenation and muddying the blood of the white race, etc.

    Dave

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Lee, I’d heard about the lapel pin before, but the other two are new to me. Interesting that both he and Webb should have had confederate flags in their offices – apparently they were friends in those days, which may explain their similar interests in decor.

    Dave

  • zingzing

    ruvy… people are free to do what they want to do. let people be free. jewish people have co-existed with other races for a very long time. they’re still here, yeah? so let them have sex with whomever they like. if a half-jewish person comes out of it, it doesn’t lessen the amount of jews in the world, it increases them by half a person. what’s wrong with that?

  • zingzing

    oh jesus. ruvy. you ARE just like richard, except you are one step further along in his little racist fantasy. you live in a country that is ALMOST like his white utopia, except being jewish utopia and all, and you want to keep your utopia pure and jewish.

    you’ve read richard’s babblings, haven’t you? about how black people are stupid and violent, and latinos are lazy and greedy (asians seem to be okay… and i can’t remember what he’s said about jews, but i’m sure it’s nasty) and that the white people should stay away from the “mud people” and there should be some new WORLD LAW that says nationality is dependent upon race and that there should be white nations, black nations, yellow, brown, red nations, etc.

    he claims that he is only looking after the interests of his own race and that he’s a “good racist,” you know, the kind that doesn’t kill people. like the “mud people.”

    you see how fucking foolish it sounds coming out of his mouth? it doesn’t sound any different coming out of yours.

  • http://mrbounce.blogspot.com/ Mistress La Spliffe

    “Breeding a race out of existence does still count as a form of genocide, just like sterilizing them would.”

    Is anyone breeding anyone out of existence in the United States, Dave, even in Ruvy’s argument, except possibly themselves? Are you arguing that’s genocide? Or are you being disingenuous again?

    Money falling out of someone’s pockets is standard for caricatures of corruption, too. All across the races. But an old caricature of a (different) big-nosed man in horn-rimmed glasses with money falling out of his pockets fits much better for Allen’s new victim role if it’s a anti-Semitic portrayal. Nice rhetoric.

    Now all Allen’s supporters and defenders have to do is dig up all the caricatures from when Kissinger was Secretary of State and accuse the media that published them of anti-Semitism. He’ll be your next president. All he’ll have to do is insult visible minority voters in obscure dialects and they won’t be any the wiser unless someone has the bad form to, I don’t know, use Google.

  • Martin Lav

    I see the normal defenderers of the defenders come rolling out…..
    The reason the issue was even brought up Davy and Ruvy is because everyone knows that people the liberal media is circling the waters waiting for someone to show any sort of bias or prejudice to a Jew. That is the issue and Ruvy proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

    Also, Ruvy I’m sure your family has disowned you long ago and refer to you as their old crazy uncle who decided to desert his family by going back to a homeland that he never even knew was his. Whoppee!

  • http://adreamersholiday.blogspot.com Lee Richards

    Dave: What is your source for Webb displaying a Confederate flag? I haven’t seen that alledged before.

  • anonymous

    The real issue is this: Allen is an arrogant bigot, that he has Jewish heritage makes it that much more odious. Don’t forget, Hitler was rumored to have a Jewish grandfather. Allen’s arrogance has come out over and over. Rather then sympathizing with the oppressed which is traditional amoung Jews, he overcompensates for any deviation from the norm by identifying and acting like an oppressor.

  • JustOneMan

    Ruvy…I am confused you want to Kill Russian Jews who have come “home” hmmm sounds like genocide and another holocaust to me…you are sounding more like a Klansman all the time…”we dont wnat any of those Russian Jew Boys around these parts”

    In addition if you and your fellow tribesmen would just screw your wives their wouldnt be a need for prostitutes or does your religion have a holiday (you do have a lot) that allows married men to sleep with slave girls?

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    I knew some would “question” me for asking the question I posed in Comment #15.

    I really wasn’t implying anything. It was a serious question that I do not have an answer for.

    And Nancy – great point about there being a disproportionately-low percentage of women in the Congress, when one considers that women comprise roughly 52% of the population in the country…

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    I get the drift folks. You can either read my articles and comments, and pay attention to what I’m actually saying, or you can hang labels. A lot of you have chosen to hang labels. Your loss, not mine.

    I for one, try to avoid hanging labels on people, simply because you know longer look at the person or what he writes, only the label you’ve stuck on him. If I want to look at labels, I don’t have to come here. I can go the supermarket.

    Speaking of which, that’s what I need to do before it closes down until Monday morning.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Is anyone breeding anyone out of existence in the United States, Dave, even in Ruvy’s argument, except possibly themselves? Are you arguing that’s genocide? Or are you being disingenuous again?

    I was just explaining what Ruvy was talking about. If you ask White Supremacists they’ll tell you that Hispanics – who have a fractionally higher birthrate than Anglos – are going to bury us in little brown babies and all the white women are going to have babies out of wedlock with black men and in a couple of generations the white race will be gone. Same basic idea.

    Money falling out of someone’s pockets is standard for caricatures of corruption, too. All across the races. But an old caricature of a (different) big-nosed man in horn-rimmed glasses with money falling out of his pockets fits much better for Allen’s new victim role if it’s a anti-Semitic portrayal. Nice rhetoric.

    Now all Allen’s supporters and defenders have to do is dig up all the caricatures from when Kissinger was Secretary of State and accuse the media that published them of anti-Semitism. He’ll be your next president. All he’ll have to do is insult visible minority voters in obscure dialects and they won’t be any the wiser unless someone has the bad form to, I don’t know, use Google.

    So what you’re saying is that because Kissinger was subject to racist attacks it’s okay to do it to other Jews 30 years later?

    Dave

  • http://mrbounce.blogspot.com/ Mistress La Spliffe

    Do you think that’s what I’m saying, Dave? Kissinger was a controversial public figure who was therefore caricatured. The caricatures mocked his appearance, as is their wont. If his particularities had been different from YOUR apparent idea a Semitic physiognomy, they would have been no less mocked.

    People like you and George Allen’s sympathizers have made a tempest out of the teapot of George Allen’s perfectly standard grandfather to make him seem like a victim instead of an aggressive, racist ass. Your disingenuity makes your agenda all the plainer.

    Maybe you think this doesn’t matter, when Virginians get to choose between devil and the deep blue sea this election. Here’s the problem, though. You sound like one of those people who whipped and were whipped into a frenzy over the Danish cartoons – except you’re grasping at interpretative straws to do it, and you’re doing it to defend a revealed racist. Is that really the philosophical direction you want to move your own country in?

  • Nancy

    These days a cartoon of a big nosed guy with glasses with money spilling out of his pockets could conceivably be interpreted as either (asian) Indian, oil-rich Arab, or Bill Gates.

  • http://google sukkee

    Dave, you missed the point. Who cares Allen’s Jewish ancestry? Some hillbillies may be.

    In addition to his racial slur, George seems so uncomfortable with his Jewish heritage as to deny even his own skin.

    Political expediency? But, we can’t elect a liar to be US Senator.

  • JustOneMan

    sukkee..If you follow any of Ruvys posts can you blame Allen for distancing himself? LOL LOL

  • JustOneMan

    Sukkee..its not the hillbillies its the Democrats that are interested!

    Go figure!

  • IgnatiusReilly

    This article would be comical, if it didn’t appear to be a calculated attempt to distract from the real issue and who the anti-semites really are. You don’t even understand what the real questions are.

    It’s Allen who the problem with being Jewish. Could that be calculated to appeal to the voters of Virginia?

    Provide evidence of harrassment by the alleged “dark-skinned heckler” or a retraction.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Iggy, harassment is in the eye of the beholder. If some guy from an opposing political campaign was stalking me with a video camera I’d consider it harassment too.

    As for Allen being an anti-semite, let’s see your evidence for that. And I don’t have any reason to think that Virginians are any more anti-semitic than anyone else. It’s not exactly the ass end of civilization, you know.

    Dave

  • IgnatiusReilly

    Since you now choose the word “harrassment” instead of “heckle”, we’ll take that as evidence there was no heckling taking place. Please amend your article above.

    Spare the hyperbole. Allen isn’t being stalked. He’s appearing at public rallies. Do you think this is the first time someone had a video camera in the crowd at an event. Now if you are implying that the sight of a non-white makes Allen feel harrassed, that’s his own issue, and probably shouldn’t be defended.

    By the way, if you think in this day and age, Allen’s camp isn’t covering Webb’s appearances in the same manner, you are very niave and should leave politics alone.

    You really are the last person to be calling for evidence since you provide no examples of heckling, but here’s an example to learn from.

    Allen equated being questioned about his Jewish heritage to someone making an aspersion. He could have said it was improper or inappropriate and I would have been with him, but to consider the question an aspersion means that he finds being labelled Jewish damaging or derogatory. Why is that? And I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that he had no idea he had Jewish ancestry as he ran for office in Virginia. I doubt the same thing would have have happened if he had run in NY.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Iggy, you seem to be under the mistaken impression that I give a rat’s ass about Allen. That’s clearly not what this article is about. The article – obviously to most of us – is about the scurrilous nature of the media and its coverage, not about Allen and his shortcomings.

    I realize you hate Allen with every fiber of your irrational being, but that’s not at all relevant to the topic I was addressing.

    Dave

  • IgnatiusReilly

    No, I’m under the impression that you divert attention from the real issues at hand due to willfullness or ignorance.

    You want to focus on the media, that’s splendid, but the reason they are acting this way towards Allen is due to Allen’s actions. If there was a pattern, you would have used examples of other candidates dealing with this. Just because you don’t see the issues as intertwined doesn’t mean they are not. You see the tree and miss the forest.

    The ‘macaca’ incident, which had multiple explanations from the Allen camp, illustrated a man who uses race and ethnicity as a divise wedge, which some find a compelling story because those same tactics were used against Jews, and since he has a Jewish grandfather, it’s surprising for some that he resorts to the same tactics.

    But, please continue to mislead your readers and show your true colors. You have yet to correct your incorrect use of the word ‘heckler’. You insinuate that I think you “give rat’s ass about Allen,” a claim I have never made, although if you had written that I don’t think you give a rat’s ass about the truth, I couldn’t argue that. While I think Allen is a bully, disingenous, racist, and a poor example, I have no hatred towards the man. Personally I wouldn’t want him representing me, but since I don’t live in Virginia, I don’t care if he gets elected or not.

    Do you get paid for each hyperbolic mischaracterization you type out?

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    No, I’m under the impression that you divert attention from the real issues at hand due to willfullness or ignorance.

    Iggy, there’s more than one issue here and I chose to focus on one which was interesting and unusual rather than the boring and obvious ones which have already been beaten to death. Seems like a reasonable course to take.

    You want to focus on the media, that’s splendid, but the reason they are acting this way towards Allen is due to Allen’s actions. If there was a pattern, you would have used examples of other candidates dealing with this. Just because you don’t see the issues as intertwined doesn’t mean they are not. You see the tree and miss the forest.

    And you’re looking at the forest and not discounting the significance of the specific tree which I was addressing. You’re taking issue with my choice of topics, which seems uniquely pointless. You don’t like my story because you would have written a different one. That’s great for you. Go write it.

    The ‘macaca’ incident, which had multiple explanations from the Allen camp, illustrated a man who uses race and ethnicity as a divise wedge, which some find a compelling story because those same tactics were used against Jews, and since he has a Jewish grandfather, it’s surprising for some that he resorts to the same tactics.

    The ‘macaca’ comment is one incident and a peculiar one. It’s interesting in its own right, but it doesn’t make Allen any more racist than a lot of other people, and at most it’s a petty racism which is meaningless as far as what he’d do as a legislator.

    But, please continue to mislead your readers and show your true colors.

    I wonder what the hell you think my true colors are. There’s no big agenda in this article, just an observation on media behavior.

    You have yet to correct your incorrect use of the word ‘heckler’.

    That’s because it’s not incorrect. If a heckler uses an intrusive video camera instead of a shout, it’s still harassment.

    Personally I wouldn’t want him representing me, but since I don’t live in Virginia, I don’t care if he gets elected or not.

    On that we can at least agree.

    Do you get paid for each hyperbolic mischaracterization you type out?

    Wow, is there a program for that? I figured DailyKos had some way of attracting all those posters. Where do I sign up?

    Dave

  • http://adreamersholiday.blogspot.com Lee Richards

    OK, so neither of you is the least bit interested in George Allen or his campaign or re-election, but maybe you SHOULD be. It is the “U.S.” Congress, a branch of the NATIONAL government. These people affect our lives in the most intimate & important ways daily. They pass laws concerning our education, property, health care, transportation, banking, taxes, foreign policy, etc. Every incompetent or corrupt senator affects every one of us, no matter what state he or she is from.
    Dave, George Allen was never stalked or heckled at the time of this incident. The young man with the camera is a resident of VA, and stood at the edge of the crowd simply filming Allen’s public appearance. Let’s go easy on the value judgements that don’t fit the facts. Also, I asked you in #67 to quote a source for your allegation that Webb displayed a Confederate flag in his office.
    George Allen seems to delight in playing rough, and using others for his own ends. On 9-5-06 Senator Dick Durbin was scheduled to introduce his own amendment to a DOD appropriations bill adding $19 million in funding for the treatment & care of veterans suffering from traumatic head injuries. (His amendment had, of course, already been written, printed & distributed.) Allen asked to speak BEFORE Durbin and THEN–introduced HIS amendment to the appropriations bill that was IDENTICAL in language & dollar amount to Durbin’s , except Allen changed the word “will” in Durbin’s amendment to “shall” in his.
    So, let’s don’t go making the media the villain when they may–for once–be showing us both faces of a two-faced candidate.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    OK, so neither of you is the least bit interested in George Allen or his campaign or re-election, but maybe you SHOULD be. It is the “U.S.” Congress, a branch of the NATIONAL government. These people affect our lives in the most intimate & important ways daily. They pass laws concerning our education, property, health care, transportation, banking, taxes, foreign policy, etc. Every incompetent or corrupt senator affects every one of us, no matter what state he or she is from.

    Good point. I’m concerned in a general way, but since both Allen and Webb are disasters all I can do is support the Libertarian in protest.

    Dave, George Allen was never stalked or heckled at the time of this incident. The young man with the camera is a resident of VA, and stood at the edge of the crowd simply filming Allen’s public appearance.

    As I understand it he showed up at every campaign event and was essentially stalking Allen, and it may have been somewhat intimidating – Allen certainly interpreted it that way.

    Let’s go easy on the value judgements that don’t fit the facts. Also, I asked you in #67 to quote a source for your allegation that Webb displayed a Confederate flag in his office.

    I got that from Meet the Press, but it looks like I got it backwards. Allen had a confederate flag in his living room and Webb is the one who has publicly defended the institution of slavery on economic grounds.

    George Allen seems to delight in playing rough, and using others for his own ends. On 9-5-06 Senator Dick Durbin was scheduled to introduce his own amendment to a DOD appropriations bill adding $19 million in funding for the treatment & care of veterans suffering from traumatic head injuries. (His amendment had, of course, already been written, printed & distributed.) Allen asked to speak BEFORE Durbin and THEN–introduced HIS amendment to the appropriations bill that was IDENTICAL in language & dollar amount to Durbin’s , except Allen changed the word “will” in Durbin’s amendment to “shall” in his.

    Well, that’s certainly clever and opportunistic, but the important thing is that the money got approved for Veterans.

    So, let’s don’t go making the media the villain when they may–for once–be showing us both faces of a two-faced candidate.

    The Jewish face and the Anglo face? Give me a break.

    Dave

  • http://adreamersholiday.blogspot.com Lee Richards

    Dave, Where in the universe did you get the interpretation that “two-faced candidate” refers to “Jewish face & Anglo face”? Evidently Allen is not the only one who is “clever and opportunistic” while being intellectually dishonest.
    And is plagarism really no issue at all with you as long as the money got approved for the veterans (which Durbin’s amendment was certainly going to get anyway)?

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Lee, I’m not sure you can plagiarize a piece of public legislation. And that issue should be between Durbin and Allen. Who else really cares?

    Sorry for misinterpreting your two-faced comment. Maybe you could explain what you actually meant.

    Dave

  • troll

    Ruvy – re #54 I’ve been called a shadow and an abomination…now I’m the personification of genocide – ?

    good grief

  • http://adreamersholiday.blogspot.com Lee Richards

    Dave, by two-faced I meant being intentionally deceitful, pretending or claiming one thing & in fact believing or practicing something different, covering real intentions & aims with fakery & phoney words–not a unique failing of George Allen among all our other politicians, I grant you.
    Durbin & his staff came up with the idea, and a definite plan, and wrote the amendment that Allen then deviously presented as his own. Plagarism? Close enough for government work.

  • Miss Moneypenny

    First Allen denies he’s Jewish (as he has done in the past).Tthe next day he does a 180 and says he takes “great pride” in his Jewish heritage. Then he tells a politican he had a ham sandwich for lunch. Either he’s having an identity crisis or he’s full of macacca.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Troll,

    You take my comments all wrong here.

    1. I’m not engaging in personal attacks.
    2. You are a person, not the personification of anything.
    3. When your dad married your mom, and when you were born, it is likely that while religion was ome kind of issue with him (this is something I cannot know, but something I can guess at) at some point, he began to understand what he had done in terms of the Jewish heritage of his descendants. What he thought about it is again something I can never know.

    But at least twice in my life, the opportunity of marrying non-Jewish girls arose in a serious way. And at least twice in my life, in spite of all of my inner doubts and misgivings, I would have taken the plunge. But those opportunities did not develop to the point where I could take the plunge. So there were no children from unions that did not exist.

    4. But as a Jewish father in America, I felt I had the obligation to continue the nation and not let it die. This is what my parents pounded into me in unspoken messages of various kinds throughout my childhood. If this sounds like racism to some, so be it. It is what I and millions of other Jews have been taught, and it is what we do, and that is why after 3,000 years, we are around and the Babylonians, Assyrians, Romans, Macedonians, etc. etc are not.

    5. If you carry a culture, or a nationality or a religion, and you intermarry, you run the risk of ceasing to exist in your own culture. That is a fact that cannot be denied. That is why intermarriage and assimilation are the “kinder and gentler” forms of genocide. The person who intermarries finds himself the executioner of his own culture. But there is no death camp – only the tears (if there are any) shed by the person who realizes what he has done.

    6. But what is most important is this. Blame cannot be imputed upon an innocent child. None of us asked to be born, and nor of us chose our parents or the circumstances of our births.

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Miss Moneypenny,

    First Allen denies he’s Jewish (as he has done in the past).Tthe next day he does a 180 and says he takes “great pride” in his Jewish heritage. Then he tells a politican he had a ham sandwich for lunch.

    If this is indeed George Allen’s behavior (I’m reluctant to attack him – a fellow I respect has been pushing Allen), it is not a surprise. It is the behavior of a man who has received the news of a leper in the family tree. He’s ashamed of the leper, but tries to put the best spin he can on it, because he doesn’t want to alienate relatives of those with Hansen’s disease. I would point out that Allen is not Jewish but merely has a Jewish ancestor in his family tree.

  • Nancy

    A WP writer/pundit posted this in the WP Editorial Page today. I thought it was hilarious & extremely appropriate:

    ” …Krauthammer’s Law: Everyone is Jewish until proved otherwise….”

  • G. Chell

    George Allen’s jewish ancesty is a major issue for the same reason Hitler’s likly Jewish ancestry is an issue in Germany among some. Hitler fooled enough pure Aryans into murdering his fellow jews. Allen has not done anything like that. But, he has associated himself with anti-semitic groups such as the American Renaissance and the Council of Conservative Citzens as well as other confederate flag waving traitors such as the League of the South. Allen pretende that he was a pure Aryan like the rest of them and in his college days acted racist towards blacks and jews alike and true to their colors (white skin color or otherwise) like Judas Iscariott they are betraying him once they found out that he has Jewish blood.

    tpmmuckraker.com

    Secondly, Allen and other GOP plus Jim Webb of the Democrats say that we dont need any AA as discrimination is a thing of the past. Allen’s mother begs to disagree..there is plenty of discrimination in white America she says, and hence she kept the Jewish ancestry from her children..”Please God, let me be white”….

    More muckracker

    and she may have a point..Daniel Golden wrote a great book recently about how rich and poweful and often incomptent whites screw jews, Asian Americans and the poor whites.

    Random House

  • http://www.mensa.org Hyman Roth

    Senator George Allen is Jewish! As a Jewish- American, Senator George Allen should have shown a higher degree of sensitivity and care with regards to racist conduct. His mother, Henrietta Lumbroso, was a Jewish immigrant of Tunisian/Italian/French background. Trying to portray himself as a WASPY “good old boy” from Virginia just shows how dishonest, elitist, and racist he actually is.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    He’s not actually Jewish, he’s got a Jewish grandfather. His mother wasn’t even a practicing Jew. That’s why it’s ‘jewish heritage’ rather than being jewish.

    Dave

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Dave,

    If the Jewish grandfather was on mommy’s side and his grandmother was also Jewish (whether she practiced or not is irrelevant), and mommy didn’t formally renounce the faith, Allen is part of the Tribe.

    The standard definition of “who is a Jew” is “the child of a Jewish mother”. Unless you formally renounce the faith of your ancestors, it doesn’t matter if you call yourself an agnostic, an atheist, or ham sandwich eater. Additionally, if you renounce the faith under pressure of dying, as did many Jews in Spain or Portugal, you are still considered a Jew so long as, having escaped the clutches of the pricks who forced you to convert, you do not practice the religion you “converted” to. This is not my opinion; this is Jewish law.

    I do not know the facts in the case of George Allen. And given what little I know of him, it seems likely that he would prefer that we didn’t know the facts. And it appears that George Allen, like the Czech born secretary of state under Clinton, Madeline Albright, self identifies as a Christian. But denying something and publicly renouncing it are two very different things.

  • http://www.thinkjewish.com Irv Rosenthal

    George Allen needs some serious therapy to deal with his racism, confederate flag obsessions, violent infliction on his family with multiple beatings, domestic violence against women, his latent hatred for Jews, his latent hatred of himself (his Jewishness), having a hangman lynching noose in his law office used to kill blacks in this country, his abject lies to the press and the world, his cowardliness in the face of being stood up to, and his general dumb self.

    What a loser this guy is. He should not even be allowed to get coffee for American leaders, let alone be elected one.

  • http://musical-guru.blogspot.com/ Michael J. West

    Last night I heard a very simple explanation for the Is-George-Allen-Racist issue:

    George Allen is being Swift Boated.

  • http://musical-guru.blogspot.com/ Michael J. West

    webbagainstwomen.com

    And it looks like Allen is trying to Swift-Boat him back…

  • http://www.cheaters.com Richard Daley

    The only way that George Allen will win the U.S. Senate election in Virginia is if that asshole is going to CHEAT his ass off somehow.

    His opponent Naval Officer Jim Webb needs to, in advance, ensure that the voting is conducted in a totally fair and impartial manner, because, without question, the only way the racist, sexist, loser George Allen is going to win is if he manages to cheat somehow.

  • Ben

    I think Allen needs a break to clear up his head about his family ancestory, and off course resolve teachings by his mother. So it’s time for him to be dumped.
    Worse still is the fact that he reacted by calling a racial slur against a young guy. That’s how he’ll likely respond to challenges in public life. Undeserving hence of a US Senate post.

  • http://www.bharat-rakshak.com Raj Singh

    Don’t fuck with the Indians.