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Who’s Driving This Peace Train?

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I am a supporter of Israel’s right to defend itself and firmly believe that they are in a tenuous situation, but this flagrant display of human rights abuse is beyond the scope of defense. At what point is it a violation of all that is decent and just, to empty a round of bullets into a young girl’s body, a body already deprived of life due to a serious misjudgment of the situation?

How does one say to the family of this child “oops, we thought she had a bomb in her school bag, so we shot her, then after she lay dead, we decided it would be entertaining to just shoot her another 12 times, for, um fun.”?

What in hell is wrong with a person who would do such a thing? Have they lost their basic sense of compassion for children? Are they monsters? Honestly, if you change that story to reflect Nazi soldiers during WWII, it would sound like a predictable scenario.

The world is out of control. We are waging wars on a hunch, destroying lives on a whim, and killing children for fun.

It’s hard to tell the difference between the good guys and the bad guys.

Look I am no tree-hugging peacenik, but I am finding myself aligned more and more with a pacifistic point of view. When do we draw the line? At what point to we say “enough violence” already?

President Bush thinks he has been chosen by God to defend us, he is convinced that it is his mission to end terror. I believe he truly feels that he is doing the right thing. But I think that kind of drive and passion is a dangerous weapon in the hands of the wrong person. Prime Minister Sharon thinks he is defending his country and the people of Israel, but the message he is sending the world is “I am a blood-thirsty loon who will stop at nothing,including killing children.”

Isn’t it possible, that the age-old cliche is true, violence begets violence.

Go ahead, dismiss me as a liberal. But remember, I support the death penalty and a strong and technologically advanced military, I just don’t support an undisciplined approach to dealing with terror.

I don’t want to execute say shop-lifters, but I do want to execute rapists and child killers.

I guess my theory is that if you apply the hand of righteousness with precision, then ultimately you are ridding the world of evil, but if you just start spraying a crowd of people with bullets, chancing are you might be killing the next Picasso, Ghandi or Jesus.

I think our world leaders spell “peace” with an “ie” and want theirs to be an automatic.

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  • Lori

    Well said Dawn.

  • RedTard

    This is indeed a great tragedy. Your outrage should be at least partly aimed at the Palestinian terrorists who have been recruiting women and young children to deliver suicide bombs for several years.

    The real bloodthirsty loons are the people who strap bombs on their own 13 year old daughters and send them off to a crowded cafe or bus stop to kill as many Israelis as possible and then celebrate about it. These people sing, dance, and party in the streets every time an innocent man, woman, or child is murdered. It disgusts me.

    A soldier who in fear makes a wrong split second decision and creates a tragedy is something I can understand. The level of hatred that would cause a person to sacrifice their own friends and family members to slaughter as many innocent civilians as possible is something I can’t.

  • NC

    Just when I thought you couldn’t sink any lower, you squat and pinch this off. I’m honestly surprised although I probably shouldn’t be; coming from someone who thinks George Bush is a modern-day Stalin, this is relatively mild stuff.

    Let’s have a look at some of the choicer excerpts, shall we?

    How does one say to the family of this child “oops, we thought she had a bomb in her school bag, so we shot her, then after she lay dead, we decided it would be entertaining to just shoot her another 12 times, for, um fun.”?

    According to the article, the psycho who shot the girl was turned in by two of his own men. The IDF has already suspended him and begun a criminal investigation, and at least one member of the Knesset is calling for an independent inquiry. So where’s this “we” shit coming from? Who else besides the suspended officer decided it would be “fun” to shoot a 12-year-old girl? Or are you simply dispatching with the facts and tarring all Israeli troops with the same brush because that fits your new imbecilic “we’re no better than them” worldview?

    The world is out of control. We are waging wars on a hunch, destroying lives on a whim, and killing children for fun.

    On a whim, huh? I take it this is a reference to Iraq, which, of course, was actually preceded by months of debate here at home and within the United Nations. But fuck facts. I’m sure Neal Pollack thinks it was “on a whim” too, and he’s really smart and famous so what he says must be true, right? I’m tempted to crawl back through the archives on your blog and see what you had to say about this grand “whim” and the fear of “destroying lives” in the run-up to war, but I think we both know what I’d find so I’ll skip it.

    Let me add that you have some fucking nerve talking about “destroying lives” and “killing children for fun” this week of all weeks, when millions of Afghans just voted for the first time in their lives and when mass graves with dead infants in them are even now being dug up in Iraq. You think the bastards who shot those Kurdish babies in the head were punished by the Iraqi army? Do you think the fucking Taliban would have ever held an election? Of course not. And yet you sit there and pick your nose and say, repulsively, “It’s hard to tell the difference between the good guys and the bad guys.” Only in your mind, babe.

    Prime Minister Sharon thinks he is defending his country and the people of Israel, but the message he is sending the world is “I am a blood-thirsty loon who will stop at nothing,including killing children.”

    What does Sharon have to do with this? As I said, the officer has already been suspended and an investigation has been launched. Sounds to me like the message that’s being sent is, “We regret the horrific actions taken by one of our soldiers and we will treat him like the criminal that he is.” Find me one other country in that region that would do the same. Find me one example from World War II of German babykillers being reprimanded, let alone imprisoned, by their own people for the atrocities they committed. And yet look how quick you are to trot out a comparison to the Nazis and trumpet some message about Ariel Sharon’s supposed homicidal mania.

    I know you well enough, Dawn, not to question your good faith in what you’ve written here, but I do feel obliged to tell you that if I came across the same rhetoric you’re using right now in a posting at, say, Indymedia, I would have no doubt about what type of character I was dealing with. Outrage at an atrocity like this is perfectly justified, and god bless the two Israeli soldiers who informed on their commander for his part in it. But ignoring Israel’s attempts to punish the culprit and trying to blame the episode on some sort of ghoulish appetite on the part of the Israeli leader, who had no hand in it, is, quite frankly, inching into blood-libel territory.

    Like RedTard says, talk to me about Israeli contempt for the lives of children after you’ve written a thousand fucking posts on the Arafat-engineered Palestinian death cult.

    Look I am no tree-hugging peacenik, but I am finding myself aligned more and more with a pacifistic point of view. When do we draw the line? At what point to we say “enough violence” already?

    I’m glad to hear you coming around to such an enlightened perspective. I thought of you last week when I read the headline on Drudge about terrorist plans found in Iraq to target American elementary schools. I’m sure our brilliant friend Mr. Pollack would tell us that no such plans actually exist and that this was merely another Republican lie used to keep the sheep fearful — and in fairness, the whole idea is pretty far-fetched. But let’s say, god forbid, that the Republican lie does somehow come true and a gang of jihadis — who we’re really no better than, of course — show up one day outside a school in New York or Ohio and start blowing kindergartners’ heads off. We’re not going to be in for one of your patented unhinged “kill ’em all” posts after that, are we? Because when do we draw the line, Dawn? At what point do we say “enough violence” already?

    One thing’s for sure. If the jihadis do go after a school, that bloodthirsty Jew Ariel Sharon will be enjoying every minute of it!

  • Dawn

    I guess my point is, the strategy of unmitigated violence isn’t doing a damn thing to stem the tide on either side. And who are the Israel’s or the U.S. to wear their “white” hats while they continue to commit the same atrocities.

    And more importantly and relevant to this conversation, why the hell should you care what I think about a damn thing as I was told to fuck off into eternity by you for being loathesome asshole?

    To be perfectly honest, I would like to be somewhere in the middle of all this, but the recent level of hatred and cruelty that has been leveled at me by my so called loved ones on the right (yeah that’s you too Eric) has made me want to become a fucking pacifist Buddhist who swings so far to the left I will have only one boob.

    You people have only yourselves to blame for my shift in beliefs. I am the kind of person who will go into the arms of those who show tolerance, love and wisdom, not insults, brute force and enduring heartache.

    SO LEAVE ME AND MY PEACEFUL WAYS ALONE.

  • Eric Olsen

    actually, the policy of exterminating the Hamas leadership has worked remarkably well, which is about a coldblooded as it gets. The war on terror is a war on terror: mistakes are highly regrettable and highly inevitable. Neither we nor the Israelis started it.

    I’d say let me know when your pendulum swings back the other way, but that would only delay the process.

  • http://nightdragon.diaryland.com Mark Edward Manning

    I totally second what RedTard wrote.

  • JR

    actually, the policy of exterminating the Hamas leadership has worked remarkably well, which is about a coldblooded as it gets.

    Um…, worked remarkably well at accomplishing what?

  • Eric Olsen

    reducing terror attacks and BOTH Israeli and Palestinian deaths

  • JR

    Show me the numbers.

  • Eric Olsen

    follow the link in #5

  • JR

    The link only leads to a purely subjective interpretation of events which seems easily refuted by the raw statistics. I see no indication that there are fewer terrorist killings today than there were in the ’90s or the ’80s or at any other time since 1948.

    Look here for the historical figures. Going just by the numbers, every other government since the founding of the country seems to have done a better job protecting civilians than the current one. Again, what exactly are they accomplishing and how do you know?