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The last 365 days of debate and rancor regarding the proposition of universal health care has lead me to one conclusion: We have nothing but shysters, magicians and whores leading the people of the United States.

This bill was less about giving the indigent and less fortunate affordable health care coverage and more about a massive money and power grab by those in the position who can steal from the pocketbooks of the American people.

First of all, we had doctored numbers given to the Congressional Budget Office. I do not blame them for giving the bill a thumb’s up; they are statisticians are must deal with the figures that Congress provides.

Then we had so-called “Blue Dog” Democrats who wrangled deals such as the Cornhusker Kickback and the Louisiana Purchase. In essence, such propositions that would be considered bribes in the public sector are looked upon as the status quo below the Beltway. In fact, I tried to sell my 2008 vote on eBay and was told it was against the law. Of course, I am not a member of Congress.

The bill is laced with ambiguous language and is so large it gives a normal person like myself a headache and conniptions.

Then we had Congressman Bart Stupak, a self-avowed anti-abortion and supposedly religious Michigan Democrat, who proclaimed he wouldn’t vote for a bill that contained Federal funding for abortions. His opposition based on his strong moral principles was refreshing to me.

(I must interject here that I am an independent strongly leaning toward libertarianism. I have no problem with people getting abortions; I just don’t want Federal tax dollars used in obtaining them.)

But hold the presses, my peeps! All of a sudden, Congressman Stupak decides to make a major flip-flop, along with the other eleven he had rounded up, and votes for the bill! As they say in the hood, “Whad-up, my homey?” (I can say that. I work in Detroit.) Such a turnaround gave me whiplash.

Congressman Stupak then informs the masses that he has decided to change his mind since President Obama has been so gracious as to sign an executive order to make sure that there is no Federal funding for abortions. I was not so much angry as disappointed in the man. I don’t live in his district, but I called him to express my disappointment. Since I don’t live in his district, my words fell on deaf ears.

It’s been a few days, and the truth has come out. (Note to our elected officials: It always does. Someday.) Congressman Stupak didn’t change his mind because of a presidential order.

He changed his mind for money. This is called whoring himself for a vote.

Don’t get me wrong. I am thrilled to death that Michigan is taking advantage of the current practice of buying and selling votes. Let’s see, what did Congressman Stupak get for his vote?

First off, there’s money for refurbishing various airports in his districts. The air traffic up to northern Michigan is so mind-blowingly busy you know. Then there is $15M to repaint the Mackinac Bridge. There’s $125M for a replacement lock in Sault Saint Marie. There’s $25.6M for a federal courthouse in Marquette. There was also a few other goodies thrown in, bringing Stupak’s total take at around $578M, making the Louisiana Purchase look like chump change.

Thank you, Congressman Stupak.

This leads me to the $578M question, one that is directed to member of both parties (I’m a bi-partisan cynic). Are there no honorable leaders in Washington? Or has the inside of the Beltway turned into a massive red light district?

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  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “the current practice of buying and selling votes.”

    Current?

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    And Bart Stupak is the ONLY whore? What about Joe Wilson? He called the President a liar in the middle of the SotU speech and he raked in cash. The member of Congress from TX who will remain unnamed raked in plenty of cash after calling Stupak a baby killer. Can’t have it both ways, here. They’re all whores every last one of them. Rather than have us fight each other from both sides of the aisle is there any among us who will at least come together long enough to admit we have a major problem with campaign financing?

    Those on the Right had better start reading the words of Christ a little more closely in order to realize that THIS is the TIME to render unto Caesar what is his. Because, my friends, WE, the people, ARE Caesar! Is that so damned difficult to comprehend? Or are the dimwitted, back water religious zealots buying into the blasphemy being spouted by their respective preacher? And for those on the Left, listen up. YOU, my friends, are equally complicit in perpetuating this war of words. If you think this republic is worth saving, start acting like responsible fucking adults and work together to find a way to forge a better system and FAST. Otherwise, this is a nation not worth saving and we may as well negotiate a final break up of the same. I am completely fed up with all the division. This is a call to arms. A time for action. Deal with it or break it up.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Joanne, I am truly ashamed of you. You lumped magicians with congressmaggots. That is an insult to magicians everywhere, of every nationality. Whoring for votes is not new – but it is a shame that the Michigan politician Stupak settled for chump change. That’s like a john in Manhattan paying $5.25 for a blow job and a subway token ($2.25 is the subway token – even jíbaro whores in the Puerto Rican mountains charge more than $3.00)….

    Silas, you country ceased being worth saving after it attacked the Children of Israel in 2002.

    Your president defied G-d by demanding that we give up our ancestral lands, and had the gall to do it at the same time we were celebrating the Receiving of the Torah, which gave us those ancestral lands; and he had the gall to physically attack our brother Children of Israel in Afghanistan, turning them into hostages locked between the American-Pakistani created Taliban assholes on the one side – and your own ‘smart bombs’ on the other.

    The murderous behavior of your government towards the Children of Israel has been noticed On High; both the sins they knew they were committing (against the State of Israel), and the sins they didn’t know they were committing (against our brother Children of Israel, the Pashtun).

    They have cooked your goose but good. Not only have they burdened your bankrupt country with “health care” program that will drive it to penury within 5 years – they are trying to repatriate every ex-pat dollar they can, pressuring foreign banks to close American owned investment accounts overseas.

    America is a goner – destined to fall by the Hand of G-d. Kiss your ass goodbye – or get to Australia.

  • zingzing

    ruvy–what if we all go australia? we won’t change. we’ll just come after whomever we can again.
    ladeeedada dadaaada
    ladeedada dadadaaaaaa.
    mmm mmm mmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmm.

    set up your own chorus.

    here’s a sample of what you believe:

    americans think
    jews are bad
    they’ll do what they can to
    make them sad

    they’ll drive a car
    (an automobile)
    on arab gas
    they’ll really go far

    no matter what
    the jews do think
    the arabs suck
    more gasoline (k-k-kink)

    we’ll take what they
    have us to give
    and we’ll say
    “fuck you” rueven (yeah, that one sucked.)

    just so you know
    this isn’t the way
    we want it to be
    but it’s the stupid reality that you perpetuate through your stupid, stupid childish threats and antics and blowing up every opportunity you have for peace and general prosperity because you think you’re totally special for some god-given, god-awful reason. just stop being a jerk, jerk.

    so loaded on religion right now. oh god, it’s god, i see god.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    zing, ff you all go to Australia, then I feel sorry for the poor bastards Down Under. And keep your day job – your song-writing/poetry stinks. Stick to criticizing the pros/prose. At least you won’t embarrass yourself.

  • zingzing

    it was supposed to stink, ruvy… try to get the point after you read it for once. it was from “your” perspective: simplistic, stupid, arrogant, juvenile. everyone can gather that, except for you.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    it was from “your” perspective….

    You can’t even comprehend my perspective, much less attempt to write from it, zing, so don’t waste your efforts. Write about sisu, or Sibelius, or maybe an article about the Mannerheim Line. It’s something you probably have some familiarity with.

    The only thing worse than me hijacking a comment thread to talk about the Middle East is you attempting moronic sketches of what you imagine to be “my” point of view.

    Do what Joanne does. Write about what you actually know. I know you are not stupid, zing. So show us your brilliance – for a change.

  • Baronius

    Silas, did you read the article? Joanne didn’t say that Stupak was the only whore, or that either party is virtuous.

    And Ruvy, have you entirely given up on reading articles? You make the same comment on every thread. Although I still get a chuckle every time you praise the Taliban. Your Israeli leaders, you want to see lynched, but your militant terrorist Pashtun brothers get a big thumbs-up from someone they’d kill for being a Jew.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Baronius,

    I still get a chuckle every time you praise the Taliban.

    You really do need a course in reading comprehension.

    Reread please: he had the gall to physically attack our brother Children of Israel in Afghanistan, turning them into hostages locked between the American-Pakistani created Taliban assholes on the one side – and your own ‘smart bombs’ on the other.

    Does that sound like praise for the Taliban?

    And, just to be sure, I was responding to Silas – not making the “same comment over and over again”.

    As for Joanne’s article – calling selling oneself for votes “whoring” is an insult even to whores – who at least bring some people pleasure – even though it is at a high price. These politicians will only bring you pain and loss. And then G-d will bring you damnation.

    A fun deal all around….

  • Baronius

    Ruvy – Do you not hold the following statements to be correct?

    – The Pashtuns are descendants of the Jews.
    – The majority of the Taliban is Pashtun.
    – The Taliban consider Israel to be an enemy state.
    – The Jewish people have a right to the Holy Land.
    – The Jewish people have a right to defend their land against their enemies.
    – The enemies of Israel include the Pashtun.

  • http://joannehuspek.wordpress.com Joanne Huspek

    Perhaps I am naive, but I would NEVER be bought or sold in such a matter, therefore, I (used to) believe that everyone else will act accordingly. What is a person if they have no convictions or core? By definition, a “leader” should lead, set an example (a good example) and be an inspiration to the people.

    What we have are a bunch of money-grubbing, short sighted leeches. I’d be in jail if I acted like Congress.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Yes I read it and I was making a blanket statement about Stupak and the rest of them. The point which I obviously failed to make is that Stupak is one of 535 members of Congress. I’m sick of it, Baronius. I’m sick of all the nonsense coming from both sides especially from the so-called leaders in both parties. We’re in a mess. We’re paralyzed on this health care debacle and forgetting everything else which requires the attention of our government.

    Now to this Taliban thing. Leaving ideology out of the equation, I admire their tenacity and commitment to their cause. It’s not right. It’s immoral on so many levels but do we as a nation have a passion? Is the division we’re currently experiencing coming from a fear of the unknown? Does that unspoken fear permeating our society blind us from addressing that which ails us head on?

    Our leaders claim that our politics aren’t perfect but the best in the world. Guess again. The political system which has morphed out of the Watergate era is toxic. Blind corporate greed has driven potential profits into the hands of politicians paid off to perpetuate this broken down mess. While those on the Right are screaming “Constitution” they”re the same ones who refuse to cooperate in the Census 2010 which is CONSTITUTIONALLY mandated. We are a people who “pick and choose” those parts of the Constitution which we agree with. Gee, kind of like how we practice religion, isn’t it?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    “And then G-d will bring you damnation.”

    I suppose the above disqualifies from making the same comment over and over again.

    Perhaps you should just preface every comment you make from now on with this opening line, and then proceed with the original thought. But you always end with it, with the result that whatever new or interesting you may have said in the interim gets lost in the shuffle.

  • Baronius

    Silas, I’m just saying that you’re yelling at an article that you agree with.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    The mantra that every last member of [insert name of legislative body here] is a whore and a leech is a cop-out.

    It’s lazy thinking. Certainly there are some very poor legislators – my House representative is one of them – and certainly every member of Congress has to make compromises and act against their desires (or those of their constituents) more than they’d prefer. But there are also some very good people on Capitol Hill. Senator Brownback of Kansas (much as I abhor his personal politics) is one, as was the late Ted Kennedy.

    Trying to washing your hands of the whole thing by calling them all crooks is bullshit.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Great point, Dreadful. It is a cop-out to be blaming the situation solely on men rather than on parts of the system.

    It’s like saying there are no more honorable persons. But if there are no more honorable persons in government, why should the critics regard themselves as honorable themselves? And on what grounds? Simply because they disagree with the outcome?

    Indeed, lazy thinking.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    But there are also some very good people on Capitol Hill. Senator Brownback of Kansas (much as I abhor his personal politics) is one, as was the late Ted Kennedy.

    Perhaps you are correct. I’m no fan of Brownback and as much as I disagreed with Kennedy, I think he was an amazing public servant. The problem, Dread, is that the entire system is tainted which causes those who are the “good guys” to be ignored. Bernie Sanders is a classic example. He always defies conventional political wisdom. The problem is the only ones who give him any legitimacy is the illegitimate Left wing media. While Lieberman tries to be “Independent” he is the poster boy for the normal Congressional machinations.

    Maybe I am completely wrong on this one but I honestly believe the current polarization is a direct result of the two party system we have in place. We’ve created a black & white world where there is left or right, positive or negative. There’s no room for compromise. While those on both sides of the aisle seem to think that this is the time for bold, partisan politics, I disagree. We need more parties at the table so that there is effective compromise which benefits us all.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Silas, I’m just saying that you’re yelling at an article that you agree with.

    I gotcha, Baronius. When I wrote that comment I had just finished a heated debate with a friend over the entire HCR debate. With all the other issues we’ve got on our plate, I just wish we’d all take a breath and let this play out. We’ve got a window of opportunity so let’s assess all the other issues we’ve got so that when November comes we make an informed decision when we cast our ballots. Is that such a novel idea?

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    I hope that this

    - The Pashtuns are descendants of the Jews.
    – The majority of the Taliban is Pashtun.
    – The Taliban consider Israel to be an enemy state.
    – The Jewish people have a right to the Holy Land.
    – The Jewish people have a right to defend their land against their enemies.
    – The enemies of Israel include the Pashtun.

    is not an example of Jesuit training. If it is, the Jesuits are total idiots.

    When you work from false assumptions and faulty reasoning, (not to mention lazy thinking) you get the pile of bullshit in italics above.

    The Pashtun are Children of Israel. But they are not Jews; they are the other tribes of Israel exiled by the Assyrians 2,730 years ago.

    The majority of the Taliban are (unfortunately) Pashtun. But the majority of the Pashtun are NOT Taliban.

    In addition, the ideas of the Taliban do not arise from among the Pashtun, but were shoved down their throats by madrassas funded by the Pakistani and Americans.

    So, it becomes a matter of irrelevance what the Taliban think of the State of Israel.

    The enemies of the State of Israel include a small number of misguided Pashtun who do not realize that they are opposing their brothers. You have heard of people being misled, haven’t you?

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    To drive the point home, Baronius, there is a great deal YOU do not know about the Pashtun that I DO know about – like how they are coming more and more to resent the Punjabi who are using them for cannon-fodder.

    Before you go on and on about the Pashtun, I suggest you educate yourself beyond some badly written Wikipedia article.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Have there been any genetic studies which actually prove that the Pashtun are one of the tribes of Israel?

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Oh look another tired article about how bad this government is…I hope you do get the one that you so richly deserve.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    “the current polarization is a direct result of the two party system we have in place. We’ve created a black & white world where there is left or right, positive or negative. There’s no room for compromise. While those on both sides of the aisle seem to think that this is the time for bold, partisan politics, I disagree.”

    The current polarization is more a reflection of the fact that the two parties are pretty much the same. And it’s precisely for that reason that they feel they must accentuate their differences on almost every single point – in order to keep on reasserting their singular identity. So you’re dealing more with an illusion, Silas, than underlying reality. (I can provide you with appropriate links if you like.)

    And so, for this very reason, your talk of compromise is misguided also. The entire political situation is already compromised. Just look at the healthcare legislation just passed: it hasn’t done away with the private insurance handle on the healthcare business; that will remain as strong as ever. Yet, it is being billed as a government takeover. Perhaps it will come to that, eventually, but not yet. But then again, judging by the kind of controversy this bill has generated, one would think that we are in the grip of a Bolshevik Revolution.

    It’s all appearances, Silas, not reality.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Hi, Jeannie.

  • Baronius

    I wouldn’t trust Brownback to put one book in alphabetical order.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Oh look another tired article about how bad this government is…

    Jeannie? Are we not capable of better government? Don’t you think the Congressional polarization has been Barack Obama’s greatest impediment in trying to lead this nation?

    It’s all appearances, Silas, not reality.

    But should that stop us from at least trying to infiltrate the dome and achieve reform?

    I wouldn’t trust Brownback to put one book in alphabetical order.

    Looks like Texas will be in charge of that, sir. They seem to think they’ll change the nation by sanitizing our public school text books.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Have there been any genetic studies which actually prove that the Pashtun are one of the tribes of Israel?

    There is one in progress at present financed by the government of Israel, through one of the universities in the country. I’m not at liberty to speak further as to preliminary reports or final results.

    Since meeting a number of Pashtun myself, I have come to look very differently upon the war in Afghanistan, the Taliban, the various parts of the Pakistani régime and other players that can harm my brother and sister Israelites in the mountains northwest of India. These people represent a wellspring of hope to me. There are forty million of them, and the Pashtun have rarely been conquered by foreign powers – and rarely for a long period of time. They are tough and strong warriors with a strong sense of honor and dignity. And we need tough and strong warriors with strong senses of honor and dignity. I am so tired of being crapped on by losers like Dayan, Barak, Halutz and Ashkenazi.

  • zingzing

    ruvy: “You can’t even comprehend my perspective, much less attempt to write from it, zing,”

    who’s fucking fault is that? you portray yourself as a psycho. that isn’t my doing.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    “But should that stop us from at least trying to infiltrate the dome and achieve reform?”

    How can you effect reforms, Silas, if the predominant mindset of politicians and perhaps the majority of the people is that capitalism is working and that business can do wrong and that government is evil?

    It’d seem to me you’ve to change that first.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Then you’ve got to become Herr Freud, zing.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Oh look another tired article about how bad this government is….

    Hi Jeannie!

    It does get tiring, doesn’t it? Just like those gazillion articles about the so-called “health reform” act, the latest power grab signed by Obama into law.

    Don’t take this personally. I think you are all getting the government you deserve. I no longer think you are capable of rising above the awful quagmire you have sunk into.

    I believe that G-d pulled His blessing from your country, and have two events to demonstrate it – Hurricane Katrina (by its timing, its location, and by the kind of terrible damage it did – forcing thousands of Americans to abandon their homes and permanently relocate), and the stock market crash right before Rosh haShana 5769, when the market dropped 777 points. The number 777 is a Divine number, signifying Divine action.

    You’ll need to look at the links to understand what I am talking about.

    That is why I am so pessimistic.

  • zingzing

    again with the god damns the usa schtick…

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    ruvy: “You can’t even comprehend my perspective, much less attempt to write from it, zing,”

    who’s fucking fault is that?

    It’s your fault, zing. When you only have contempt, and only throw contempt about, you will never understand the point of view of the other person. You blind yourself with your own ego and sense of brilliance. Baronius is a Catholic conservative. I can’t always read him right, but I can give it a shot, even if I don’t get it right all the time. Clavos is an atheist conservative. I can’t always read him right, but can give it a shot, even if I can’t get it right all the time. I can characterize others, but the point is that I can attempt to understand their points of view from within their viewpoints.

    You seem incapable of that.

    So, zing, it’s your fuckin’ fault.

  • zingzing

    i am not incapable of it and you know it. i can understand others, and parts of you, very well. it’s the parts of you that are incomprehensible and repetitive, repetitive, repetitive that make me react with contempt. stop saying the same thing over and over again, and stop saying stupid shit when you’re not and we’ll be fine.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    BTW, zing, just because I dislike your point of view does not mean I think you belong in the psych ward. If I took this attitude, half the people or more would, in my opinion, be fit for commitment in a straitjacket.

    If you are so narrow-minded as to not realize that, this is your narrow-mindedness. The world takes all kinds to go round, zing – even, unfortunately, your kind.

  • zingzing

    ruvy, i don’t call for nuking people this and killing people that and blood running from the ground all the time. that’s the difference. yes, i am narrow-minded when it comes to the hatred and death you call for. sorry if that upsets you.

  • zingzing

    and i’m certainly not the only one around here that points it out to you. nor are those of us here, i’d bet, the only ones in your life that point it out to you. you’d think it’d have an impact.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    How can you effect reforms, Silas, if the predominant mindset of politicians and perhaps the majority of the people is that capitalism is working and that business can do wrong and that government is evil?

    See, that’s exactly what I’m talking about. I think the majority of Americans really feel deep down that capitalism is on the wane and business as usual can’t continue. The problem we have is fear and uncertainty. We’re bewildered as to how to fix it. The politicians know all the buzz words and use them to their advantage. To quote one Federal employee I spoke with, “Congress is scared and nobody has the guts to come forward and tell us the truth.” That truth, Roger, is our government is seriously broken thanks to capitalism in its present form.

  • cannonshop

    #38 Gotta disagree, Silas. What you have here, is a case of growing State-Corporatism. The insurance companies get a guaranteed source of money, a few restrictions, but the control is TAKEN from individual Citizens at government-gun-point, and since ALL citizens are REQUIRED to opt in (whether they want to or not), at government-gun-point…

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Then we have indeed found common ground. The question is, how to fix it.

    Do give a quick read of my latest piece, “The power of reconceptualization” and tell me what you think. I’m trying to tackle the problem.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    “but the control is TAKEN from individual Citizens at government-gun-point, and since ALL citizens are REQUIRED to opt in (whether they want to or not), at government-gun-point…”

    But that’s just one way of looking at it. I see it rather as but one consequence of the government’s response to the old ways of Big Business.

    True, it’s more of a politicas gesture at this point rather than real and meaningful reforms (because the private interests in the healthcare industry are still intact and as strong as ever). Nevertheless, it’s a gesture that according to at least one half of the populace – those that voted Obama and the Democrats in office – had to be made. There was a mandate of sorts, and the administration acted on it.

    But no, it ain’t fixable anymore; the system, economic and political, is beyond fixing. It can’t go back to “the good old days.”

    Expect more drastic or not so drastic changes ahead – even if we allow for the conservative reaction.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Joanne offers not one bit of evidence for her assertion that Stupak was bought off. The projects and money she rattles off are not in the health bill. Some other blogger [apparently Joanne’s preferred information source, since as she has told us before, she doesn’t watch or read the news] listed earmark requests from the 7 [not 12] anti-abortion senators.

    And the cutely nicknamed Nebraska deal was removed from the final bill, along with others. This is of course not mentioned in your ‘fair and balanced’ article.

    You call yourself an independent, but apparently the only information you manage to absorb comes, undocumented, from fellow dittoheads.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Cannon sez: ALL citizens are REQUIRED to opt in (whether they want to or not), at government-gun-point…

    If you get insurance from your parents, your employer, Medicare or Medicaid, the mandate does not apply. Anyone who wants to buy insurance, including many who currently can’t, are by definition also not being “forced.”

    How many does that leave? And since the bill is written as a tax law, what they face is a tax penalty, not a “gunpoint.”

    I understand that bringing your rhetoric back nearer the real world, as opposed to hyperbolic paranoid fantasy, is less fun. But don’t pretend you’re making anything close to a reasonable argument.

  • http://takeitorleaveit,typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    So are you saying now that Cannon, just like Dave Nalle’s is but an agent provocateur?

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    My comment was aimed at Cannon’s ‘argument,’ not at him personally.

    Internet political discussions, and increasingly all political discussions, are notable for their nearly total absence of nuance or balance.

    It’s more fun to exaggerate or distort, to ignore the parts of your opponent’s ideas you may actually agree with, to paint everything as Us [the enlightened] and Them [the benighted].

    [e.g, “defenders of liberty” vs. “socialist tyrants”; “compassionate progressives” vs. “right wingers who all hate the poor and the nonwhite.”]

    I may even have done that once or twice myself.

    But generally speaking, it’s what irks me about these message boards. And why I take periodic long vacations from them.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Well, but he still acts as if he were an agent provocateur. You don’t have to say it. I did.

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    And some figures to add to the ‘every citizen forced at gunpoint’ rebuttal:

    Just under 60% of Americans get insurance through their employers = 180 million

    46 million are on Medicare.

    About 40 million non-elderly are on Medicaid.

    The question is how many of the 40 million uninsured would prefer to stay that way.

    As I’ve said, I support an opt-out, as long as people are willing to forego the right to government subsidies in buying insurance for 5 years or so.

    But still, how many of those uninsured people will get cancer or diabetes or have a serious accident? And how do you propose to handle them?

    Insuring everybody makes a lot of sense. [Single payer would be the preferred way to get there, of course.]

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    ruvy, i don’t call for nuking people this and killing people that and blood running from the ground all the time. that’s the difference. yes, i am narrow-minded when it comes to the hatred and death you call for. sorry if that upsets you.

    You are not in a position where you have to, zing. I am. And if you think I like that fact, then you do belong in a loony bin.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    And since the bill is written as a tax law, what they face is a tax penalty, not a “gunpoint.”

    Handyguy, I hope you do realize that with tax law you are generally guilty until you can prove your innocence. “Gunpoint” might be better. At least you would be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

    In the end, though, no matter how you fudge the words, what you have is “statist-corporatism”. That is another term for “fascism”, and that is exactly what has been imposed in the United States since Sept. 2008.

    Mazel tov! It has finally happened – you no longer need to worry about fascism coming to your shores. It was imposed by George Bush and made more secure by the Saul Alinsky student, Obama/Soetoro.

    And, in the end, you still can’t afford your brand spanking new health care “system”.

    Gotta laugh, man, gotta laugh….

  • http://handyfilm.blogspot.com handyguy

    Is health care in Israel not universal and compulsory? And is that not a good thing?

  • zingzing

    “You are not in a position where you have to, zing. I am.”

    no you aren’t.

    “And if you think I like that fact, then you do belong in a loony bin.”

    you seem to get some sort of fucked-up thrill from it.

  • zingzing

    “In the end, though, no matter how you fudge the words, what you have is “statist-corporatism”. That is another term for “fascism”, and that is exactly what has been imposed in the United States since Sept. 2008.”

    well, if you want to fudge the words that badly, i guess you can come up with that fantasy. but even you know that’s malarkey. what’s going on here doesn’t even remotely add up to fascism or statist-corporatism, which doesn’t add up to fascism either.

  • Mark

    Dreadful #21 – if you haven’t looked already, here’s a story concerning the study that Ruvy refers to.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Is health care in Israel not universal and compulsory? And is that not a good thing?

    Health care IS universal AND compulsory here – and it’s a great thing! I’m not opposed to it at all! Hey Handyguy – I’m a syndicalist socialist. I’m a true leftist. I believe in socialized medicine! But WE IN ISRAEL CAN AFFORD SUCH A SYSTEM! WE ARE NOT UP TO OUR NECKS IN DEBT TO THE CHINESE AND RUSSIANS! YOU ARE! YOU CANNOT AFFORD SUCH A SYSTEM!

    That is the problem.

    It wasn’t the problem in 1993 when Hillary (the bitch) Clinton fucked up her husband’s attempts to pass universal healthcare in the States. The late Senator Wellstone came up with a simple system that would have worked and wouldn’t have been the mess you guys now have as law. But Bill Clinton’s pain in the balls (Hillary) had to ruin it for him.

    Heck, that’s all piss under the bridge now.

    As to the fact that your government is trying to take over the economy in your country, it is doing so much the way Mussolini would have heartily approved of – with the appearance of democracy. You got to choose between two candidates who would have done the same thing – impose a fascist economic system by taking over the economy – because they would have felt they had no choice. The elites who supported them – the oil men on McCain’s side and the bankers on Obama’s – don’t want to sleep under a pissed up bridge drinking Port wine, rolling their own cigarettes or listening to sermons about Jesus so they can get a tick-filled bunk for the night, or a roach infested breakfast at the Salvation Army.

    So, the elites stay rich in America – and you don’t. Ain’t living under a messiah great?

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    “You are not in a position where you have to, zing. I am.”

    no you aren’t.

    Like you do know, zing? The truth is you haven’t got a clue as to what goes through the mind knowing that at any bus stop some man or woman with a bomb belt can blow up your bus; or at any moment riding along a highway some terrorist can shoot and kill you – or your wife or kids.

    Boy, that’s a trill!

    In your ignorance and arrogance you presume to know – but you haven’t got a clue.

    Probably, in my shoes you’d move. You’d run away.

    I don’t run. This is my home and no SOB – American, European or otherwise will drive me out.

    Grow up, zing. Admit what you do not know and just maybe I’ll have a scintilla of respect for you.

    Maybe.

  • zingzing

    ruvy: “Like you do know, zing?”

    like i do know that nukes aren’t the answer you’re looking for? yeah. fairly confident of that.

    “The truth is you haven’t got a clue as to what goes through the mind knowing that at any bus stop some man or woman with a bomb belt can blow up your bus; or at any moment riding along a highway some terrorist can shoot and kill you – or your wife or kids.”

    welcome to the biggest target in the world, motherfucker. dirty bomb central. you think you’re it? nope. i just don’t let it get to me.

    “In your ignorance and arrogance you presume to know – but you haven’t got a clue.”

    sorry?

    “Probably, in my shoes you’d move. You’d run away.”

    dude. seat of power. i moved into this shit. you don’t know shit about me, obviously. why would i come here if i was scared of shit? come on. do better than that.

    “I don’t run. This is my home and no SOB – American, European or otherwise will drive me out.”

    me neither. but i think you are confused about those who want you out of there. the us and europe want you there.

    “Grow up, zing. Admit what you do not know and just maybe I’ll have a scintilla of respect for you.”

    admit that you’re evil. that you’re a blood-thirsty, hateful person. and at least i’ll accept who you are.

    maybe.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Mark,

    Regarding the Guardian story you linked to in comment #53, it is one of the better written ones, covering the facts as opposed to the misapprehensions and untruths, deliberate or otherwise, so often written about this topic.

    I know both Drs. Aafreedi and Weil. They are solid and honest researchers. I have pointed out to Dr. Aafreedi a number of times that a genetic link would be problematic at best. While DNA can be traced for kohaním, I am not aware that large numbers of the tribe of Levi (from whence the kohaním arise) were stolen out of the land by the Assyrians 2,730 years ago. There are other markers aside from the Aaronic marker on the y chromosome, but I’m not aware of all of them that well. The Lemba in Africa, for example, do have the Aaronic marker in their priestly class in significant numbers, which backs up their claims to be descendants of the Children of Israel.

    But the Pashtun say that King Afghana, the first king of Afghanistan, was descended from King Saul – of the tribe of Benjamin. The Afridi claim to be of the tribe of Ephraim. Again, this is not the priestly tribe, and DNA would be hard to trace.

    Working on the positive side is the fact that the Pashtun do not intermarry much. They do not even intermarry between tribes too much (remember we are not talking about a couple of hundred thousand hicks in the Allegheny mountains, we are talking about 40 million people in the Suleiman Mountains). So the DNA may be get passed down in a more “pure” fashion. But the Afridi in Mahliabad may have intermarried more than the average Pashtun have. I’m not sure of that, and cannot say for certain.

    In any event, the Guardian article was a pleasure to read.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    BTW, Handyguy,

    Even working class kids from a country that has socialized medicine don’t necessarily like to pay taxes.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    The odd thing about prostitutes is that without customers they don’t do very well.

    In that connection, there is a new name for an old disease. It is called Gonorrhealectum.

    Dan(Miller)