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Whole Foods CEO: Good is the New Bad

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I have sat on the sidelines observing the ObamaCare debacle, specifically the protests, AKA town hall meetings, and I must first say, protesters, leave your freaking guns at home! Watching the volatile situation unfold which has included so-called AstroTurf, mobs and racists, pull-the-plug-on-grandma "death panels," Hitler sightings, swastikas and the like, has been quite amusing, yet very frustrating.

Protesting (peacefully, of course) against the government is one of our constitutional rights and is a great way for American citizens to communicate our grievances, so why is it when the left does it it's considered honorable? Who can forget the loud voice of Hillary Clinton, back in 2003, “I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic and we should stand up and say, we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!” Why then, when the right protests or disagrees with the government, it is demonized in every way possible? The obvious hypocrisy coming from the left over ObamaCare opponents (and even those who are confused and concerned) is quite shameful.

Now the left is attacking and punishing one of their own because he disagrees with the Obama administration. John Mackey, CEO of Whole Foods Market, a progressive retailer, is being pilloried over the article he wrote on August 11th in the Wall Street Journal about his stance on, and alternatives to, ObamaCare.

The criticism of Mackey’s article was swift, Mark Rosenthal, a 39-year-old playwright in Massachusetts, was so angry that  he started a Facebook group called Boycott Whole Foods the next day. Rosenthal’s beef apparently wasn’t just the health care portion of the op-ed. It was Mackey’s suggestion that “if you’re sick, it’s your fault,” that really got him fired up. “For anyone who has ever had a friend or family member get sick and you watched them die even with a good diet and exercise, it’s really insulting. I don’t know that [Mackey] considered the consequences of this statement”.

This is over Mackey's attempt to bring attention to the types of diseases that are preventable, and how these diseases affect health care costs in America today. Prevention is an important tool in cutting the risk of certain diseases and health care costs at the same time — something we are not discussing enough in the health care debate.  Mackey wrote, “Rather than increase government spending and control, we need to address the root causes of poor health. This begins with the realization that every American adult is responsible for his or her own health.” I can’t agree more–-many on the Left want to claim that health care is a civil right, but first and foremost, it is an individual responsibility. There are exceptions: birth defects, children’s health, the handicapped, elderly and the extreme poor, as well as health issues resulting from accidents and unforeseen circumstances like war, pandemics and natural disasters, and of course, diseases that manifest despite every effort to live a healthy lifestyle.

Nobody wants to see someone suffer and/or die from any illness, even if it is self-inflicted. If you read the entire article and have any sense, you would discern that Mackey had no ill intent and does care about the sick; since he is well informed about the dangers of an unhealthy lifestyle, he wants others to consider the consequences of their choices. By the way, Mr. Rosenthal, Mackey never stated that all who are sick are to blame for their own illness, just many. These are Mackey’s exact words,

Unfortunately many of our health care problems are self-inflicted: two-thirds of Americans are now overweight and one-third are obese. Most of the diseases that kill us and account for about 70% of all health care spending—heart disease, cancer, stroke, diabetes and obesity—are mostly preventable through proper diet, exercise, not smoking, minimal alcohol consumption and other healthy lifestyle choices.

As a fitness expert with over 27 years experience in the health and fitness industry, I know the facts: it’s true that most (not all) diseases are caused by an unhealthy lifestyle, including poor diet and lack of exercise. But most Americans don’t want to hear this and take responsibility for their own health, instead, we have resorted to the blame game and an entitlement mentality. The good news is that proper diet and exercise can reverse the damage we may have caused to our health and even cure many diseases today!

Russell Mokhiber, who is founder of the group Single Payer Action and one organizing protests against Whole Foods, doesn’t care about the good that Mackey has done and how much he gives back, nor the fact that Whole Foods is an active environmentalist. Quite the opposite, Mokhiber emphatically labeled Mackey as a bad guy on the Greta Van Susteren show this past week, just because Mackey doesn’t support the single payer system, which Mokhiber thinks is the only way to fix health care.

Protests, led by Jobs With Justice, a coalition of labor, community and religious groups, were held outside Whole Foods stores in Massachusetts on August 21. Russ Davis, executive director of this group, accused Mackey of being "a traitor to the progressive movement’s health care goals”. This is a store (chain) with all these healthy foods and has a liberal image, but its CEO is against any meaningful health care reforms.”

A "traitor?"  Excuse me? Mackey is not against health care reform, nor are most Americans; what he is debating is how to fix a very complex issue. Some, including me,  agree with Mackey,

while we clearly need health care reform, the last thing our country needs is a massive new health care entitlement that will create hundreds of billions of dollars of new unfunded deficits and move us much closer to a government takeover of our health care system.

Mackey presented eight reform ideas to boot! Did they read the entire article?

I have to laugh at the fact that these boycotters are shunning a company which sells high-quality foods that actually improve health and the quality of life, run by a CEO who promotes a healthy lifestyle; something that should have a major impact on the health of our country and its citizens, and which would result in a dramatic cut in our health care costs. But then, why take responsibility for our own health when the government will do it for us?

See you at the supermarket – the Whole Foods Market to be exact. My bad!



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  • 116


    I never said hello. Hello 🙂 Nice to see you.

    …uber-capitalists, I can’t help but think of their soulmates in China.

    Sounds about right to me too.

    Everyone went away…Christine must be busy. Maybe I’ll ask again after school starts.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Cindy –

    IIRC one of the official government slogans for communist China under Deng Xiaoping was, “To get rich is glorious!”

    Every time I see the greed of uber-capitalists, I can’t help but think of their soulmates in China.

  • Baronius,

    How could I believe that Capitalism causes all the greed? Wouldn’t that be flawed thinking?

    How could human nature be based on Capitalism? It hasn’t been around very long.

    (I can see Baronius has simply written me off as an idiot.)

  • Are you suggesting perchance that some societies encourage it? What a preposterous proposition, Cindy, because in that case, they’re doing the work of the devil.

    But I had better let Christine consider this conundrum.

  • Baronius

    Oh, wait, Cindy, I got it! Capitalism causes all the greed! That’s why there was no greed under communism, mercantilism, feudalism, corporatism, etc. No greed among the Vikings or the Huns. The Assyrians were generous as all get-out. In fact, what we call human nature is really a phenomenon that began in 1810 in a factory outside London.

  • That is a reasonable conclusion, Christine–that it’s human nature–after all that is what we see in front of us. I came to that conclusion myself (a few times).

    But, just for the sake of argument, let’s say it’s not human nature. If for a moment, we just set aside that possibility, can you see any other explanation for all the greed you see around you?

  • I forgot one big one…pride: lack of humility!

  • Cindy, I don’t need that long to reply..I believe it is human nature, just like some of our other defects (and in some cased darkness), lust, envy, lack of self control, lack of contentment, lack of forgiveness, selfishness, anger, power hungry…

    We are bent toward serving self instead of serving others..but we can change!

  • I’m all for legalized prostitution. Sex workers deserve rights and protections especially since the majority of their clients are Ultra Right wingers.

  • “…it’s in capitalism and government, left and right, Democrat and Republican, Religion and non, etc…”

    So, how do you explain its prevalence in all those things, Christine.

    (I am agreeing with you. Just asking why. And, please take your time. I will be here way past September. 🙂

  • Oh my gosh, Cindy, we finally agree on something! Two things,
    First “I guess human greed knows no limits.” YES, but I will add it has no bounds, it’s in capitalism and government, left and right, Democrat and Republican, Religion and non, etc,!

    Second: I am against legalizing prostitution! Bad Idea!

    I’ll give you all the last word, because I am getting my daughter prepared for 8th grade this week…lots to do!
    Have a nice day!

  • Roger,

    I guess human greed knows no limits.

    I agree. With the caveat that, that does not say everything there is to be said about human nature.

  • That’s interesting, Cindy, about Traitor Joe’s. I guess human greed knows no limits.

  • Oh, btw, Dave, I know anti-market people are just a bunch of dunder-headed air-brains and all, but do you recall when you claimed that legalized prostitution would solve the problem and I suggested there would just be more trafficking based on price competition. So, is this where I get to hear your apology, perhaps with a comment about how, based on the evidence, you will reconsider your position? I bet that’s not going to happen; is it Dave?

  • Dave…there’s a question for you here. But first,

    There was an ad in the sidebar for ‘Traitor Joe’s’…it was a greenpeace ad, which explained how they sell red list fish and remove the labels to trick customers.

    Capitalists don’t care if they kill everything off. I love this free market stuff, it’s like legalized rape. sha la la I’ve got my dough…

    Dave how do free markets deal with overfishing? pollution?

    By the way Dave, your idea about prostitution was tried and it was a failure. Legalizing prostitution didn’t solve any problem. More slaves were created to compete with the legal pricing.

    Legal Prostitution in Australia a “Failure”

    Ten years ago, Australia made a risky policy move it thought would help protect women and children: it legalized prostitution. Today, only 10% of the prostitution industry operates in Australia’s legal brothels. The other 90% takes place in underground, illegal sex markets thick with forced prostitution and human trafficking victims.

  • 100 – El Bicho
    My Bad!

  • STM

    Clav: “A typo. Yer welcome.”

    Thanks for blothering Clav … no one else did.

  • Christine, if you are going to hang out here, you should get the name of the site right. It’s one word.

  • Silas, that is too funny..love it!

  • They do in CA, Handy – full scale supermarket.
    Manana, everybody.

  • No, we have no lives. We’re like the comic book superheroes. We lurk in the shadows protecting mankind from themselves. Some of us shop at Whole Foods, some of us don’t. Then we come here, blabber and try to solve the problems of the world here in the heart of the sinister cabal of superior writers.

  • OK, I don’t have a life…how sad!

  • Trader Joe’s doesn’t carry produce. Whole Foods has fantastic produce, and if you pay attention to what you choose to buy, it’s no more expensive than the inferior stuff in other stores [in NYC at least].

  • Wow, do any of us here on Blog Critics have a life? LOL
    Good Night and Good Luck!

  • Clavos

    please explain to the idiots what “blothering” is

    A typo.

    Yer welcome.

  • lumpy, please explain to the idiots what “blothering” is

  • Arch Conservative

    Silas I see the words you wrote but all I really hear is blah blah blah.

    I’m going to send you a Christmas card that goes a little something like……..

    Twas the night before Christmas…..

    And there’s still no Obamacare bitch!

  • You had better watch it then. I don’t have cable. But I have a tape of one with Jean Gabin, (French production); and of course the tenth-anniversary of the musical from London.

  • The 1935 Les Miserables with Fredric March & Charles Laughton happens to be on TV right now, Roger.

  • Well, specialty foods are worth it, though. Especially the deli sections, all kinds of fish, pates, imported cheeses, and best Italian cold cuts.

  • Clavos, glad to see you have time to eat! Bon Appetit!

    Roger, love Trader Joes and you are so right…less pricy!

  • Well, it’s different in California of course. Trader Joes is comparable: less pricey. And so is Andronico’s – a local specialty chain.

  • And so is this:


    I feel my soul on fire!


    My world if she’s not there!


    The color of desire!


    The color of despair!

    Marius, you’re no longer a child
    I do not doubt you mean it well
    But now there is a higher call.
    Who cares about your lonely soul?
    We strive toward a larger goal
    Our little lives don’t count at all!

    Red – the blood of angry men!
    Black – the dark of ages past!
    Red – a world about to dawn!
    Black – the night that ends at last!

  • Clavos

    I’ve never shopped Whole Foods. Visited my local one a couple of times, looked around, and didn’t find much I liked.

    My favorite grocery store is a regional chain headquartered in North Carolina called The Fresh Market (or TFM by us fans). I think they are only in the Southeast.

    They don’t sell healthy or organic food; no “green” product, all they offer is unabashedly GOOD gourmet (expensive, of course) food, with no attempt to be PC, and no apologies for being self-indulgent — I love it.

    I have both stores in my neighborhood; TFM does twice the volume of Whole Foods, at least (based on my unscientific “cars in the parking lot” surveys).

  • Clavos

    Is ‘pinker shade of Dave’ like ‘whiter shade of pale’?

    But not as melodic.

  • was that a political or sex-orientation characterization?

  • pinker shade of Dave, lol

  • I have no illusions, Christine.

    (Handy will shoot me again.)

    I think #75 was hilarious

  • 66 (chuckles)

  • Don’t kid yourself and think that this administration’s concern is all about the poor and the sick, even David Axelrod has his hand in the health-care cookie jar!

    AKPD Message and Media, the Chicago-based firm headed by David Axelrod until he left last Dec. 31 to serve as a senior adviser to the president. His son is still with the firm!

    GMMB Campaign Group, where partner Jim Margolis was also an Obama strategist.

    “This year, AKPD and GMMB received $12 million in advertising business from Healthy Economy Now, a coalition that includes the Washington-based Pharmaceutical Research & Manufacturers of America, known as PhRMA, that is seeking to build support for a health-care overhaul, said the coalition’s spokesman, Jeremy Van Ess.”

    And many deep-pocketed LEFT stand to gain more with ObamaCare and “cap-and-trade”…..

    Greed and corruption have no bounds..but it gets tiring when the right is always blamed!

  • Cindy, sometimes you’re enough to turn me into a right winger.

    And there’s no better time to switch.

    Illtellyawhatimgunnadoo. Ya know, cuz I like yur face. So, jus fer yu, I’m gunna ex-tend my speshull circumcijin offer. If yu decide to become a right-winger, I’m gunna give yu such a deal, yu’ll wanna get anuther one even if yu alreddy had one.

  • I would of course describe myself differently. I am allergic to hyperbolic rhetoric from all sides.

    The rhetoric from the right bugs me more, especially when I perceive it to be grossly unfair, which is pretty often.

    Low-tax, small government, these are ideas/goals I can empathize with, but I don’t think it’s practical in a big country with a big gap between rich and poor.

    And I find repellent the tendency of some rhetoricians/would-be comics popular on the right [Beck, Coulter, Limbaugh] to derive humor and pleasure from being cruel and nasty. [And to deliberately push the envelope in the stretch-the-truth department.]

    [Although I love Wonkette. It’s just that their meanness is just a funny attitude and it’s accompanied by smarts.]

  • Baronius

    Handy, I don’t think of you as either wing. I think you’re a moderate who sees the world through deeply anti-conservative-colored glasses.

  • Now you got it. And so the world turns.

  • And, apparently, a Maoist to some of BC’s most vociferous capitalist piglets.

  • That’s a good one, Handy. Remember, though: everything is relative. In fact, you’re a capitalist pig to a Maoist.

  • Cindy,

    I answered in #54.

  • Whew, thanks for clearing that up. I get so confused by all those wings…

    Is ‘pinker shade of Dave’ like ‘whiter shade of pale’?

  • leftwinger

    Handyguy – fyi – you are a right winger. You’re just a pinker shade than the Daves of the world.

  • 63 – Concernedcommentator
    Aug 24, 2009 at 2:25 pm
    Cindy, what if I am my own boss?

    Stop exploiting yourself or you’ll go blind!

    What the heck does that mean?

  • Cindy, sometimes you’re enough to turn me into a right winger.

    Isn’t it possible to let Mackey and the boycotters enjoy their free speech rights….and then ignore both, as I do, supporting health care reform and continuing to shop at Whole Foods. And giggling when people call companies like Whole Foods [or Starbucks] evil. Reedickaluss.

    And, yes, rolling my eyes when Dave claims all unions are evil — equally ridiculous. The rhetoric on here goes off both deep ends entirely too frequently.

  • I never really liked Whole Foods before (thought it organic-elitist, and don’t jump my case, because I’m a food snob) but I’m going to give it another look. Why? Because I read the article and the guy makes sense. I don’t agree with all of it, but as you say, he’s at least pondering some options, which is more than our elected officials are doing.

  • Concernedcommentator

    Cindy, what if I am my own boss?

    Stop exploiting yourself or you’ll go blind!

  • Silas,

    Once the right-wingers manage to get tort reform in for medical malpractice, it might be a good time to become a physician who performs circumcisions, with discounts for adult Libertarians and such. We can give a full refund in case of accidental death or dismemberment.

  • Christine,

    Um, I will leave that decision up to you. 🙂


    I have never like calamari. And at this moment I am grateful for that.

  • The Progressive Health Care Movement
    Because we really care, we’ll pay!

    Cindy, what if I am my own boss? Should I fire myself?

  • Cindy, I love you as well. Anybody for some calamari?

  • Christine,

    I say, let’s stop robbing people, then they can afford their own healthcare. Worker take-over of corporations. Fire your boss (ala Klein and Lewis). Now there is a plane.


    What about the Eco book? Gimme a name.

  • I meant we because I would do it!

  • This is what I propose…All those who are REALLY concerned about the uninsured (estimated at 44 million) should start a movement where you go out find an uninsured person or family and pay for their health insurance for 3 years at a time. We could call it The Progressive Health Insurance Movement…

    Do you think we can find 44 million to help out?

  • Roger,

    Jesus was probably hesitant about looking corny too. But, like you, he just went ahead. 😉

  • Travels in Hyper Reality. Get that one first for the essay in question. It will give you the gist of Foucault’s argument and more. Then you may feel you don’t need to get Foucault’s Power/Knowledge essays, unless you want to dig deeper.

    We’ll talk later.

  • Silas, Have I said how much I love you lately?

  • Roger,

    Like in the Gary Larsen dog comic, we say meaningful things to Baronius and Dave, but this is what they hear: blah blah blah blah blah

    (There is a movie called Clueless isn’t there? – sorry, my mind was wandering for a moment.)

    I don’t have the patience to bother arguing with stupidity today as I am A) not done with my article, and B) have to work all day.

    P.S. I am halfway through the pdf, that Who’safacist provided a link for. It is very interesting. I am not a bit sleepy. I will buy the two books you recommended today. What is the name of the Eco one again?

  • Since we’re talking about government, God and food what do you all think of the CDC’s recommendation that circumcision be routine? I need to go check the commodities and see if calamari futures have risen as a result.

  • There go Baronius’s aspirations to be classed among the people of “good will,” insisting that the only difference between a good conservative and a progressive is a matter of scope, degree, and efficiency.

    Lost in the shuffle is the original reason for unions (combination of workers), to offset abuses in the early (or later) stages of capitalism, to provide workers with greater bargaining power, things of that sort. Hence we come to the simplistic conclusion: unions are bad, employers are good.

    Cindy, apropos Jordan’s comment, it’s all about love. I didn’t want to say it because it’s corny, but that’s the bottom line. Christianity or any other religion is nothing if it’s not first and foremost about love – the first and only commandment.

  • Baronius

    Dave (#47) – Also, companies produce things and pay wages. Unions only redistribute wealth. (There’s a political analogy in there, too.)

  • I support IWW Dave.

    Is it better to support a union whose goals are idiotic than one whose goals are oppressive? I guess. IWW at least amuses me from time to time, though their general anticapitalist claptrap gets boring.


  • Why worse, Dave? Just as vile as the corporations, and they meet force with force. Whether that’s the best tactic is another matter, but there would be no combinations if there was no need for them.

    They’re worse because their exploitation and abuse of workers is so much more direct, and because it comes in the guise of helping them. They also do a lot more political harm and have a vested interest in violating the rights of large numbers of people outside of their direct control.


  • Oh and it’s now 8/24/09 and we still don’t have cap and trade, or Obamacare.

    Only because Democrats are cowards and are so afraid of the power and money behind the far right fringe that they’re politically paralyzed. It’s time to take the gloves off and have a slugfest in Washington. The Far Right knows how to deal with a cowardly DNC; let’s see what happens when they’re challenged in the public forum. Democrats need to get tough, take a stand and come out swinging. The Far Right will run and hide like the soulless wimps they are.

  • Baronius

    Jordan, I don’t think your giving our side a fair hearing. The vast majority of American Christians, even the conservative ones, approve of a mandatory safety net. We want it run well, and we don’t want it to prevent people from advancing, but we realize its value. It’s legitimate for us to debate the scope of our programs. People of good will may envision a safety net that differs from Canada’s.

  • Who’safascist

    …the Foucault-Chomsky debate

    What fun is that? For a better time — and with apologies to ZingZing — you could play Who’s a Fascist. Using Eco’s accessible Ur-Fascism (pdf) as a guide, go through BC’s cast of characters pinning on tails.

  • Jordan Richardson


    RE #36, I wouldn’t dare dump you in with those crazies. No worries and I hope you didn’t lose count! 😛

    It’s just a shame that on blogs and the radio you can’t see the crazy look in their eyes and the drool at the corner of their mouths.

    Ditto for your posts here, Arch.

  • Arch Conservative

    It’s one thing to say you’re not going to spend your money at an organization whose values are contrary to your own.

    However I’ve seen some of the stuff the leftist moonbats have posted on blogs and said on the radio. They act as if they’re going to put whole foods out of business.

    If nothing else they’re good for comic relief. It’s just a shame that on blogs and the radio you can’t see the crazy look in their eyes and the drool at the corner of their mouths.

    Oh and it’s now 8/24/09 and we still don’t have cap and trade, or Obamacare.

  • Would Jesus shop at Whole Foods?

  • Clavos

    Thanks to Cindy and Jordan for the stirring reminder of why I’m an atheist. All that Christian/Jesus love/care stuff was stifling my capitalist rapaciousness and greed; I’m much better now.

    Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to call my maquiladora in Mexico and make sure the shift supervisors aren’t going soft on those kids, I have to keep cracking the whip on them — no rest for the greedy…

  • As usual Jordan’s post goes right to the heart of the matter.

    (I still have to post in your article Roger. Jordan’s post there sort of stunned me. I ended up thinking about that rather than finishing the article.)

  • yeah yeah, my metaphor got blindsided by my passion…

  • Christine,

    By your beliefs, I meant your free market ideology. That is what I consider fundamentalist, not your religious faith. However, your understanding of Jesus seems slanted by that ideology.

    I have an affinity with certain Christian pacifists. They believe in Jesus as a god, I believe he was one of the most advanced thinking human beings that ever lived. You can imagine why I would get along well with people who have a depth of understanding about what he taught.

    As regards your political beliefs, I don’t need to know any more about them than you’ve expressed here.

    Read my article on the chocolate slavery industry. It is a direct result of ideas that are espoused by free market advocates. It’s a delusion to think markets, which are based on greed and profit can solve problems that take human care and love to solve.

    The Capitalist market is like an drunk frat boy with the car keys, singing sha la la live for today. It uses up everything in sight, whether it’s people or resources and does so without conscience or concern about causing utter destruction.

  • #34 — Jordan, how are you? I had to stop counting my billions to respond to one thing on your commentary. I AM 100% AGAINST “the prosperity gospel” being taught in thousands of churches today. It is bullshit! I also call them the “name it and claim” group!

    Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Rod Parsley, Oral Roberts, Mike Murdock, Kenneth Hagan, the whole bunch! I have studied this pathetic, greedy group for years! They are a disgrace to Christianity and humanity! I could go on but I am truly tired!

    I just hope that you don’t think that this is in anyway what I am all about and advocating. Just wanted to clarify!

  • Well, it surely bespeaks of our intended role as stewards and of Christ’s example of a suffering servant.

  • Jordan Richardson

    The idea that Jesus Christ wanted the rich to help the poor “only if they wanted to” is hilarious and leaves the door open for wishy-washy religious practice, which appears to be exactly what these right-wingers want in life. The prosperity gospel bullshit comes to mind: oh yes, Jesus wants you to be rich.

    While it may be true that Jesus never wanted anyone to be “poor (in spirit, I surmise),” he also taught that a pile of material possessions and a focus on amassing them made for a difficult approach to spirituality and getting into heaven.

    This idea, largely thought by many Americans, that having the government “force” you to help others through taxes/health care/welfare/etc. is bad and that the “Christian” way to do things is do it “voluntarily” is really playing semantics in one hand and denying ethical responsibility in the other.

    Christianity and indeed most of the world’s religious points of view count on the idea that material goods are temporary while service to the poor and less fortunate, no matter who they are or where they’re from or if we (it’s not our role to judge) deem them worthy, is permanent in the eyes of “God.” Helping out the “least of these” is the true message of the gospels in Christianity, yet it’s the first damn thing the American brand of Christianity tends to forget or downplay.

    Why? Because it’s not convenient. It’s better to build a party on being “conservative” with money, on not giving handouts, on being tight-fisted morally and materialistically, and on being incredibly proactive in terms of violence and warfare than it is to build a party that respects the environment as God’s creation, keeps the health and welfare of ALL people in mind, and remembers that it’s better to be compassionate and loving at all costs than to be judgmental and intolerant.

    All I see here is more excuses. The health care debate is an excuse to not help people get health coverage and adequate care and the environmental debate is an excuse not to do what’s necessary to stop polluting our world and to be the caretakers of “God’s creation.”

    Instead, many of you have chosen to be caretakers of America before the world, of insurance companies before the sick and the poor, of warfare before peace and compassion, and of wealth and prosperity before service and love.

    Whatever works, right?

  • Christine,

    Christ teachings and Paul’s epistles, like First Corinthians, for example, speak for themselves more or less. Where is the interpretation supposed to come in?

    We’ll talk later.

  • But Roger, aren’t you (or anyone else) judging based on YOUR interpretation of that Religion and then proceed to KNOW how that person is supposed to think, speak or act? Whether in it’s commission or omission of course!

    Getting tired…BC wears me out! Need to go count all of my billions of dollars then off to church! LOL

  • An inference about the quality of a person’s religious belief(s) can be made in light of some of the less-than-sensitive remarks they may or may not make on any variety of subjects.

  • That is a good point, Cindy, about the model. Foucault makes a similar point about the dangers of adopting the court of law model in conjunction with implementing what’s called as “popular justice,” because that model carries within itself all the accoutrements and the ideology of the bourgeois concept of justice.

  • #25 Cindy, I feel ya….
    Here is part of my review on Bill Maher’s movie, Religulous, who I think feels just as you do…

    Religulous does show some of the dark sides of organized religion coupled with humor, and in Maher’s defense I can see why he has such antipathy towards religion. Maher has valid criticisms about organized religion in general because all faiths have been hijacked one time or another by crazies, lunatics, and extremists. All you have to do is take a look at the injustices, murders, travesties, genocide, and jihad committed in the name of religion. Mix in the motives behind some of the religious, like power, greed, money, and even sex (sounds a lot like politics). Follow it with hypocrisy, misrepresentation, outrageous interpretation, and commercialization, and what’s left? It’s amazing we don’t have more doubting Thomases.

    By the way, you really don’t know my beliefs in there entirety…nor that of Baronius and Dave, unless you know them outside of Blog Critics. Generalizing and attacking people due to your contempt of Christianity is really not fair, but it’s never fair in love and war is it? All Good..love the debate anyway!

    How did we go from Whole Foods to all of this?

  • I support IWW Dave.

  • Dave,

    I understand about unions that become just like the models of the same greed they’re resisting. Under Capitalism you cannot break the spell of domination. It infects everything it touches. It’s a sick model.

    There are other kinds of unions. And guess what, the prisoner doesn’t need any advice about how to be free from the jailer.

  • A free market, Christine, is a myth; and we don’t need to address the sins of organized religions. The discussion is not about individuals (there are good Christians as no doubt there are responsible and ethical business persons) but ideologies and the uses to which these ideologies have been put historically and in the present.

  • Christine,

    I shouldn’t be let out to talk to other people when I’m working on articles about child slavery. here’s what I think about what you do and what you think and what you try.

    Your beliefs are responsible for child slavery. Your beliefs, Baronius’ beliefs, Dave’s beliefs, etc. Your ideas are misguided. You’re wrong. And because you refuse to look at that possibility seriously, you will cause people suffering beyond imagination.

    That what causes it. That’s why I’m mad.
    My being mad probably won’t change your beliefs. I don’t think anything will do that though. They come from the same mold as religious fundamentalist beliefs. They’re fanatical. A danger to the whole world.

    So, can you see why I’m sorta miffed?

  • Why worse, Dave? Just as vile as the corporations, and they meet force with force. Whether that’s the best tactic is another matter, but there would be no combinations if there was no need for them.

  • Roger, glad to hear that about Cindy. These two entities may have their issues and their share of evils attached, but there have been a lot of good that has come out of the free market. Christianity on the other hand is more complex due to the fact that many that call themselves Christians, don’t act like it! However, we have had some great ambassadors like Mother Theresa, Martin Luther King Jr., and ones you don’t hear about in the news, but they do exist!

    Just wondering why we have to “throw the baby out with the bath water”.

  • Cindy, when are you going to get over this bizarre delusion that unions are the good guys? In the real world they’re vicious, destructive monopolies far worse than most of the corporations you revile.


  • And much poorer. For everyone.

    Well, I doubt it could be much poorer for the poor. They’re poor as a result of such ideology. Sure it would be much poorer for the people who hold that ideology. But, like the saying goes, fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke.

    Besides, they’ve been so busy fucking everyone else with their free market gang bang, it only seems fair to reciprocate.

  • Cindy believes in the possibility of a better world, Christine, just like you do. She just doesn’t think that either Christianity or the free market system have done such a great job.

  • Clavos


    When the ideology you and Christine promote is eliminated , then the world will be saner.

    And much poorer. For everyone.

  • Thanks Baronius, looks like Cindy thinks the world would be saner without those of us that would like to see us get along and try to come up with ways to do that. But then again, maybe her ideology is all about putting us down no matter what we do!

  • You don’t need the millennium, Cindy – perhaps a month at most. I feel it’s necessary to be up-to-date on the most current debate. And the people I mentioned define the cutting edge.

    When I come across what I regard as indispensible texts, I will provide the references. Thus far, Foucault’s “Knowledge/Power Essays” and Eco’s interpretive essay are a must-read. A starting point.

    The key is to understand the basic concepts and the terms of the debate – not the details. It’s the key ideas that matter, and once you’re understand the terms, it’s smooth sailing. Later then.

  • Baronius,

    When the ideology you and Christine promote is eliminated , then the world will be saner. We wouldn’t have to debate about it. How ironic.

  • Roger,

    I am looking for something basic, on the internet, as far as your recommended readings. That link in 13–Holy BeJeebers! Reading that seems about as appealing as swallowing a bucket of nails.

    I don’t have all millennium to study philosophers. (Half of the millennium in question would be spent falling asleep while reading.) Isn’t there some sort of cheat sheet for this?

    Let me just find something and see what you think about it.

  • Baronius

    Christine – In a saner world than this, politicians of both parties would sit down with that editorial, and write it out as legislation. And we’d debate its merits without bigoted digressions about capitalism and Christianity.

  • Jesus was very concerned with the poor, sick and the orphans and widows, of which I have been 3 of the 4, however, Jesus wasn’t “Robin Hood” taking from the rich to give to the poor. He called for his believers to do their part voluntarily! And yes, each Christian will be judged on how they treated the poor, sick, orphans and widows!

    And since we are quoting scripture, money is not evil..it is “the LOVE of money that is the root of all evil”, which, in this case you many be right…greed abounds. But it’s not JUST capitalism that breeds greed. Government and others have their share!

    And it is the rich that pay the most taxes!

    Why do you think making money is not Godly, money is needed to live. And how do we make money, we WORK. Keep in mind there are different types of poor, those that can’t work, those that work and are still poor, and those that refuse to work!

    Jesus taught and also led by example as well as his disciples, that laziness is not Godly…2 Thessalonians 3:10 “..we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.” In the Greek “work” is Ergazomai which means “acquire by labor”, “to be employed in or about”.

    And I’m sure Liberals NEVER work for profit and actually sell their products and services for free! HMMM


    “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    Blessed are they who mourn,
    for they shall be comforted.

    Blessed are the meek,
    for they shall inherit the earth.

    Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
    for they shall be satisfied.

    Blessed are the merciful,
    for they shall obtain mercy.

    Blessed are the pure of heart,
    for they shall see God.

    Blessed are the peacemakers,
    for they shall be called children of God.

    Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”

    Gospel of St. Matthew 5:3-10

  • Here is one example.

  • So have you given some further thought to the Foucault-Chomsky debate, Cindy?

    I’ve just finished reading a body of works and found it depressing. I’m going to look at subsequent, post-modernist thinkers (Lyotard, Habermas, Derrida and Rorty) for positive applications. Wish me luck!

  • Yeah, just noticed it. But it’s no different than many voices on BC.

  • I think Gary Larsen could do a new cartoon, like that one he did about dogs–you know, what Jesus said vs what most Christians hear.

    The Kingdom of Heaven is like a corporation. Though you see it’s right hand, you know not what it’s left hand does. ~ Republican Jesus

    Blessed are the rich,the corporations, for they shall become much richer, and shall keep their riches to the last penny. ~ Republican Jesus

    (posted by setv on Twitter)

  • Roger,

    Here is a comment posted to the article at your first link. Looks like Mackey and Whole Foods is getting a whole new kind of supporter. Sort of a funny way of thinking for a person calling her/himself MLK65, don’t you think?

    The world is full of lunatics; Christians and Catholics who don’t seem to have a single care about what Jesus taught (unless Jesus said something about worshiping profit and hoarding wealth. Or maybe Jesus said–‘just go to church and I’ll let you into heaven”. Seems to me what most Christians/Catholics seem more interested in.), people who nickname themselves after a great spiritual leader calling human beings ‘criminaliens’.

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    I’m buying twice as much now at Whole Foods.
    With the ‘public option’ where do I go to make an appointment to see a Dr….. the Registry or the Post Office. If you like the way the Pike and the T are run you’ll love socialist medicine (nobamacare).
    On second thought, if the illegal criminaliens are getting it for free………….then sign me up!

  • Mackey on health care.

  • The link for my second quote.

  • Not that I expect anyone to dig any deeper than image–comes from watching all those advertisements. But Mackey is automatically supposed to be a ‘good’ guy, champion of the left, because he started a health food store? Like most other Capitalist megacorps, Whole Foods is based on personal greed. Mackey’s personal greed. Once you are on the stock market you are off the hook for having to have a conscience.

    I am not surprised that the left took so long to catch on. But, then, liberals trust and support Capitalism as much as right-wingers. In fact their more foolable, just dress someone up in a label that says all natural and they can fuck over their employees until the cows come home. Capitalists have one thing that is foremost in mind–profit. I don’t give a rat’s ass if they call themselves whole foods or Save the Children (Yeah, it’s a non-profit–hard to tell by the CEOs salary. Interestingly, you even have companies that are watchdog’s like Charity Navigator, whose CEO take almost 20% or income for himself.)

    If Mackey is so interested in the health of people (indeed if all the corporate health food manufacturer’s are) why are the children’s breakfast cereals at Whole Foods loaded with sodium? Look at the labels. It’s the same crap, just ‘all natural’ and ‘organic’ crap.

    If Mackey is such an environmental champion then why does he support huge agribiz. Whole Foods made it clear that they are in a position to dominate the ‘organic’ market. They are TERRIBLE on environmental and sustainability issues. They do not support local markets. They present the ‘image’ of supporting local markets.

    They are TERRIBLE on issues of employee rights. Mackey: ‘The union is like having herpes. It doesn’t kill you, but it’s unpleasant and inconvenient, and it stops a lot of people from becoming your lover.’…He personally intervened in the attempt of a Wisconsin store to unionize, asking workers to instead ‘expand into love.’ …Whole Foods passed out fliers against the United Farm Workers, and declined to sign on to a pledge …decrying conditions for strawberry pickers.”

    Whole Foods is worse than the standard Capitalist megacorp, in my eyes, they use their image to gain people’s trust. In fact, there is a whole market of innocent, irrational victims on the left just waiting to be plundered by anyone who slaps a label that says natural, healthy or spiritual on it. And when irrational leftists become Capitalists they will exuberantly sell their rightist counterparts under the table whilst chortling melodies of love and peace and happiness. If you are naive, there are all manner of nice self-deluded people willing to rob you–for your own good, naturally.

    You can’t trust Capitalists. It doesn’t matter what kind of shining armor they wear. I don’t care if they’re selling spirulina or spiritual oneness with the universe. I’m glad the left finally has a reason to wake up and examine this company. It took them long enough!

  • Lumpy

    We ought to be looking at whole foods as a model for reform but that obvious fact is lost on these blothering idiots.

  • Clavos

    Ironic, isn’t it?

    Never underestimate the foolishness of American politics.