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Who Suppresses and Oppresses Muslims?

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I have to admit that I get a little tired of hearing Muslims say how they are not treated well in the West. The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) often emphasizes how unfairly Muslims are treated across the United States, rather than showing the great contributions Muslims have made to America and emphasizing how over 4 million Muslims live in the United States in peace and with freedom of religion. Many more millions live in western Europe, in most cases with little interference with their culture and lifestyle.

Since I often give Islam and Muslims the benefit of the doubt in my writings and interviews, I feel entitled to point out some significant hypocrisy that cannot be rationally denied. CAIR quoted the Quran in a recent e-mail, so I feel justified in using the same quotes as my scripture for this article:

“Be steadfast in your devotion to God, bearing witness to the truth in all equity, and never let the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: (for) that is closest to piety…” The Holy Quran, 5:8-9
“God will never change the condition of a people until they change that which is within themselves.” The Holy Quran, 13:11

Who suppresses and oppresses Muslims? The answer is patently obvious for the world to see: other Muslims! Let’s recount some of the examples we’ve seen in the last three decades:

The Ayatollahs of Iran took over their country and murdered tens of thousands of their opponents, as recounted in Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Shirin Ebadi’s book, Iran Awakening. The name of Neda will live forever in Iran as a symbol of this oppression. She is the young woman shot dead by government gangsters when President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad won reelection under suspicious circumstances. To this day, more than three decades after taking power, the Ayatollahs suppress their people by letting their thugs beat them up for dissent. Do they actually think they can crush a thought? How do they think God guides them in this?

Saddam Hussein suppressed the Shi’a majority in Iraq for decades. George W. Bush was not wrong about Saddam Hussein’s crimes against his fellow Muslims. Regretfully, he opened the floodgates for a Sunni/Shi’a civil war, which killed far more Iraqis than Americans ever did. Muslims killing other Muslims!

Hosni Mubarak’s goons controlled Egypt for three decades, suppressing what became 80 million Egyptians. The intelligentsia could do nothing about it. It took a few twenty- and thirty-something techies adopting American style rhetoric and tools to shame him so much he finally quit. It took 2 million Egyptians finally shouting the truth. It remains to be seen whether the new army-controlled Egyptian government will actually facilitate free elections. Or, will they follow the lead of their predecessor and continue to suppress the will of their people? I don’t know!

Muammar Gadhafi is notorious for oppressing and suppressing his fellow Libyans. He’s murdering them in plain sight, where the world can see. When the approbation of the world is brought down upon him by the international media, he simply shrugs and kills some more. He seems to have trained his children to the same murderous pattern.

And then we have the royal families of the Arabian Gulf, whose suppression is widely accepted by their populations suffering from an advanced case of Stockholm syndrome. You remember, that’s the mental affliction where the prisoner begins to bond emotionally with his jailers. His emotional stress is so high that he loses his sense of self. Hostages who develop Stockholm syndrome often view the perpetrator as giving life by simply not taking it. Captives often misinterpret a lack of abuse as kindness and may develop feelings of appreciation for this perceived benevolence.

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  • http://archetypeinaction.org Skip Conover

    There sure is a lot of hyperbole flying around here!

    Unfortunately, the rhetoric obscures the truth that Muslims already do coexist very well with non-Muslims, and on a global basis. We have mutually beneficial common trade, we live in peace together, we do respect one another’s religions, though the media make it difficult to remember this, and we often intermarry.

    There are 1.6 billion Muslims, and if things were really as bad as several of you suggest, the situation in the world would be considerably worse.

    I have had occasion to travel and work in many Muslim countries, and I can attest that they are largely peaceful, family loving places. This is not to say that I agree with everything I see or hear from Muslims, which was the original point of the article (above) that started this, but there can be no doubt that painting 1.6 billion people with the same brush, or even the 300 million people of the Arab world, is really unfair and going over the top.

  • http://www.carminasaturaqueamericana.com Irvin F. Cohen

    Dear Mr. Connover,

    Unfortunately, I must respectfully beg to differ with you. I maintain you are charmed and deceived by your own personal observation, which of course is legitimate. I truly do not doubt you, your personal insights. But this silent spring of darkness truly runs deep and is always present; if only one should dig hard and deep enough, I assure you it will easily and readily be found.

    Moreover there is a high degree of inscrutability within the Muslim world and I am sorry to say that if you think the vast majority of Muslims are amenable to secular, enlightened and rational self interest and liberal modernity and progress; I again am sorry to say, as most Americans, you are sadly mistaken and or possibly even delusional.

    I am a Classicist by both vocation and advocation, and in my own pursuit of the life of the mind I have come into contact with Muslim history, culture and civilization if only tangentially and as a matter of intellectual curiosity. Which is to say, I am by no means an expert by any stretch of the imagination.

    But, cogito ergo ius mihi dicere est. I think (critically, analytically, rationally, logically, empirically, aesthetically and reasonably so) therefore I have the right to speak out.

    I wrote an article for Blogcritcs entitled “Why Liberals Just Adore and Defend Muslim Terrorists – To Death.” Which was published on 21 Nov. 10 in the Politics section, in which I treat this issue, this great cultural and civilizational divide somewhat tangentially. I both suggest and exhort you to give it a peek and look it over, if only cursorily.

    In which, by the way, I predicted much of the events we have witnessed in the past two months and for which I was literally pilloried from pillar to post, here at Blogcritics.

    I also maintain through my own personal experience with a mid level, but young, rising star at the CIA’s Arab Desk, in 1996; that you like he truly underestimate the power of Muslim irrationaity and of their basic intense antipathy to modernism and western civilization. He was the stepson of a close friend of mine who unfortunately was in the last throes of his fight with a lethal brain tumor. So I met this young man on several occasions while “R” was still alive and unfortunately and sadly after he passed away.

    Mind you, this occurred between Dec. of 1996 and Feb. of 1997. After the downfall of the former Soviet empire in 1991; I asked myself what now, and most importantly, what and who is the greatest threat to world peace and stability, and further human progress and the advancement of civilization here on earth.

    By that spring of ’92, after extensive research and great reflection, I came to the conclusion that Muslim and Arab terrorism was truly the greatest threat to America and the rest of the world. Well, he at first was very attentive to what I had to say, but when it came to the religious and cultural aspects of this issue, he simply dismissed these out of hand as a part of his western, intellectual bias toward that sort of irrationality; of conceding and admitting that sort of cultural and intellectual primitiveness and backwardness actually existed anywhere on this planet in this day and age of secularism and modernity.

    Again, for the umpteenth time, I am sorry to say that I think you are making the same egregious sort of error that he and the CIA and our nation made back then – and maddeningly so, appear to still be making to this very day.

  • http://subversivetv.blogspot.com/ Alan Kurtz

    Appearing here perhaps for the soon to be very last time before I am permanently banned from the Comments pages of Blogcritics.

    Are comments #50 and #52 really by Irvin F. Cohen? His tone is unrecognizable. Either there’s a Muslim imposter at play on this thread, or Irv is going out with a whimper instead of his usual roar to which we’ve become accustomed.

  • http://www.carminasaturaqueamericana.com Irvin F Cohen

    Dear comrade Al,

    Yeah, yah got me yet another goddamn time…and yeah to be brutally honest there is an inner wimp, vile toady, sycophantic, ass-kissing, fawning, cringing MOFO in me..I call it my inner bitch, coward, pussy-whupped into submission, inner lowlife, weaselly scumbag, self, sort of worm, kind of less than manly man.

    Actually you’re right…this is not me. In fact I toyed with some really raunchy, in your f..k..g face shit, but apparently my worse angels got the better of my true persona.

    I’ll behave and I promise from here on out to take no prisoners nor to give any quarter what-so-fucking-ever. How’s that for a goddamn solemn and sacred oath? Will that suffice, please inform…or is that ‘deform?”

  • http://archetypeinaction.org Skip Conover

    Dear Irv,

    I tried to look for your article, but Blogcritics.org denies it exists. I looked both under its name and yours.

    I really don’t know what you’re talking about in the title. The title surely does not relate to me, and I know of no liberals like that.

    As you can see at the top of this page, I have written a book on the topic in 2007. I’m actually more optimistic than I was then, thanks to Wael Ghonim and Revolution 2.0. It seems to me you and I have underestimated the power of the youth bubble rising in the Muslim world. They have significantly different ideas from their parents.

    With all due respect, any ideas you have that were developed in the 1990s have been totally overcome by events in many ways.

    Best regards, Skip

  • http://subversivetv.blogspot.com/ Alan Kurtz

    Irvin F. Cohen (#54), now that’s more like it! Thanks for reassuring me that you’re still the Irv we know and love–or loathe, as the case may be with the legions of BC editors, censors, and writers who’ve reportedly whined about you to BC’s publisher.

  • http://subversivetv.blogspot.com/ Alan Kurtz

    Skip Conover (#55), here’s the link to “Why Liberals Just Adore and Defend Moslem Terrorists – to Death.”

    The reason you couldn’t find it is because Irvin F. Cohen in #52 spelled it “Muslim” instead of “Moslem.”

  • http://archetypeinaction.org Skip Conover

    Dear Irv,

    As a fellow Marine, I’m glad I have given you an opportunity to advertise your views.

    I have to admit that I could only manage to get through the first page and a little more. I was having trouble finding a point other than just sludge. I believe strongly in the Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press, so I would simply suggest that you might be more convincing if you tone down the hyperbole. So far, you have persuaded me of nothing.

    I do see that I have walked into a long standing relationship among a few of you. I will do my best to avoid interfering with your repartee.

    Best regards, Skip

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/an roger nowosielski

    To his credit, at least Mr. Cohen provides us with sociological/philosophic rationale as to why he holds all Muslim in such contempt (#50 and #52). Contrast this with Cotto’s #48, which is but an expression of credo. Both views, however, are xenophobic and the product of Judeo-Christian culture coupled with the idea of Anglo-Saxon, white man supremacy taken to extreme, not all that different from the idea of Aryan supremacy entertained by Hitler & company.

    Granted that socioeconomic and cultural factors determine to a great extent the kinds of people a culture produces in general or at large, but to leave matters at that, to make it the end of the argument, moreover, to regard any group of people, for whatever reason, as a subspecies is abominable and surely counter to the spirit of man. Dehumanizing others, thinking of them as mere cockroaches, is the surest way to perdition and the kind of atrocities which were witnessed by the past generation. I sure hope the individuals who express such views are doing so only for polemical reasons, for shock effect only, rather than sharing with us their innermost thoughts and fears. Engaging in a politics of fear, though despicable, can be forgiven if one’s got a political agenda. Doing so out of one’s inner conviction cannot.

    We hear about the terrorist threat against America and the West since 9/11, and given that limited perspective, some of it may be justifiable. But it’s proper at this time to raise the ante. Cohen and Cotto, the two brothers in crime, pose a greater threat again all humanity and human civilization, by far an overriding concern in the greater scheme of things, than all the suicide bombers past and yet to come.

  • http://www.carminasaturaqueamericana.com Irvin F. Cohen

    Dear Skip,

    Semper fi and I say that rather begrudgingly and reluctantly. I also assume that you were a commissioned officer, because only a commissioned officer from a prestigious, elitist, eastern college/university could be that fucking condescending and patronizing as you are.

    “As a fellow Marine, I’m glad I have given you the opportunity to advertise your views.”

    Advertise? Again, how smarmy and snide, and fucking condescending thou be!

    “…sludge…”

    I see, I simply write sludge in your estimation. Again, a rather patronizing and condescending personal attack. But there’s more.

    “I believe strongly in the Freedom of speech…bullshit, snide, smarmy, and even more condescending, fucking bullshit…”

    On this last point of yours, I must however, both apologize and thank you for your personally allowing me my inalienable human and civil right of freedom of speech. That is so fucking kind and overwhelmingly tolerant and open-minded of you, again, to allow me my inalienable right of freedom of speech. You really are a big-hearted fucking sort of guy.

    “…I know of no liberals like that.”

    Alright, let me clarify what liberals I precisely am talking about. I’m speaking of the liberal-leftist spectrum of those who can reasonably be described and categorized as liberal-progressive qua liberal-socialist qua socialist qua communist qua full blown Marxist qua Neo, New Age, “Greenie” and anarchist Marxists. Now if you don’t know any of these liberal lefty pinkos, such as the aforementioned, well then, I can’t help you on that one. However, I must ask you the rather simple question – what fucking Cloud-cuckooland planet have you been living on for the past two plus score years?

    Again, Semper Fi and have a nice fucking day, you fucking jackwad. And a fucking harrumph, harrumph to boot.

  • http://subversivetv.blogspot.com/ Alan Kurtz

    Sergeant Cohen, your instincts are uncanny. As you surmised, Skip Conover was indeed educated at “a prestigious, elitist, eastern college/university.” B.A. from Hamilton College in Clinton, N.Y., 40% of whose student body matriculates from private schools. MBA from William E. Simon Graduate School of Business, University of Rochester. JD from State University of N.Y. at Buffalo, Law School.

    You’re also right about his rank. Lieutenant Colonel, USMC. Sarge, you can really sniff these guys out on the slightest whiff. Most impressive.

  • http://www.carminasaturaqueamericana.com Irvin F. Cohen

    Dear comrade Roger, still the not so artful dodger,

    What a fucking left-handed, back-stabbing defense of me! Geez, with defenders like you, who the fuck needs enemies?

    I see: I am a xenophobic, Nazi, Aryan nation, dehumanizer of non-white, I presume, non-Judeo Christian, third world denizens of this world and I’m far worse than any Muslim terrorists who actually kill tens of thousands of real people in the real world. But of course in your mind’s eye, in your theoretical world of Cloud-Cuckooland bullshit, I am theoretically and metaphorically guilty as sin, as in all hell.

    Roger, I got to hand it to you, cause you never fail to amaze me. Furthermore I view you as the perfect. quintessential embodiment of the Greek Potential Optative. The Greeks indeed invented, deep intellectual and philosophic bullshit. But they did not stop there, it just wasn’t enough for them to make mind-numbing statements contrary to fact and a whole bunch of bullshit could have, should have, would haves.

    No, the Greeks created a special “mood” for bullshit; but that too was not enough for them, because they loved bullshit so very much, they created its own special conjugation; and voilà they gave birth to the Potential Optative, a masterpiece of pure intellectual bullshit without equal.

    Of course, until you came on the scene becaus your intellectual bullshit is like no other, cause yours is really the smelliest, rankest, most opaque and arcane and esoteric and difficult to understand, unfathomable bullshit piled ever so high and deep in the annals of recorded history and of all civilization as we know it. What a great, crowning achievement, thou truly are the greatest bullshit artist of our generation. Wait a minute, don’t let it get to your head cause you do have competition. Yeah, I think, in me ‘umble estee-mation, that doctaj dreary is a very close second place if not winning full of shit, bullshit artist extraordinaire. Wadda yah think? Can you make a case fer yerself?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/an roger nowosielski

    Never mind the BS, Irv. You know you’re wrong and we’re not going to argue about it.

    As to Kurtz, I expect him to second you, whatever you say, since he’s got no mind of his own and no original idea in his head. Besides, he’s quickly running out of allies. So don’t be considering now his show of support as any kind of validation of your own views. I’m well aware you’re beyond such silliness as the counting of noses … just sayin’. In short, you’re entirely on your own, and you know it.

    Sweet dreams.

  • http://archetypeinaction.org Skip Conover

    Thank you all for keeping this discussion going! I’m really comfortable with letting other readers make their own judgment without further comment from me at this point.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/an roger nowosielski

    Sorry, Alan, you’ve dug your own grave. Wish it weren’t so.

  • http://subversivetv.blogspot.com/ Alan Kurtz

    You should check your email, Roger. There’s something there that will please you immensely.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Just a few comments for you all. I’m kinda tired. If I have a question about Catholicism, say, and I don’t know, I tend to ask a Catholic. And when I don’t comprehend what an Arab thinks, I tend to ask an Arab. When I want to understand Islam, I talk to a Muslim scholar.

    Since I have a lowly BA from the City University of New York (you know, where all those stupid blacks, Puerto Ricans and Jews go), I figure it is the smart thing to ask the person in person when I want to know about something. Applied here, if I want to understand how an non-com Marine understands things, I’ll ask Sgt. Cohen and if I want to know how an officer thinks, I’ll ask Lt. Col. Conover.

    In my conversations with a “Palestinian” Arab whom I respect immensely, I am given to understand that Jews and Arabs will not live in peace together until there is a mode of expression for Palestinian nationalism – IN JORDAN. In addition, I learn that the latest Hashemite on the throne there is a rich royal prick who is far more anti-western than his daddy was, who is slowly stripping “Palestinians” of their citizenship in an attempt to expel them from what is, after all, Palestine. It is from this Arab scholar that I understand that the best guarantor for peace is a good fence – the Jordan River – with Palestine on the eastern side, and Israel on the western side.

    Comprendes tu, Glenn?

    From an Arab legal scholar, I learn that the Qur’an (Chapter of the Cow) guarantees my right as a Jew and Child of Israel to live in the Land of Israel – and that the Wahhabi heretics who say otherwise are full of shit. In their brains as well as their buttholes.

    Because I live with Muslims – lots of Muslims – I can agree with Skip Conover that they are mostly a peaceful lot – until incited by Euroscum and Ameriscum (as in leftist shits and anarchists) to violence.

    Because I live with Jews – lots of Jews – I comprehend the dislike and contempt they have for the American and European governments who constantly try to fuck us over in Israel. It is a contempt I share.

    But what I understand most clearly is that we do not need outsiders to solve our problems for us. We are all Semites here, and we all understand each other very well – even if we may happen to hate each others guts.

    I raise the issue of the slaughter in Itamar so it is clear to you what murderousness Wahhabi influence brings, and why it will be necessary to take actions that will go counter to “western interests” for our own survival as sons of Abraham.

    Since your government in America-land will not do the things needed to improve the situation in the Middle East, better that you guys just stay the hell out. We’ll muddle through without your help.

    Finally, Mr. Costello. I don’t feel grief over the deaths of Rav Fogel and his family, z”l. I feel anger. I want to see vengeance exacted, and I want to see their killers hang – but in addition, I want to see those who enabled them to commit mass murder and attempted genocide hang as well.

    Good evening.

  • http://www.carminasaturaqueamericana.com Irvin F Cohen

    Dear Ruvy,

    No, I’m not a Rabbinic Scholar nor an Islamic Scholar, but do I really need to be such in order to understand my fellow man and look into his mind and soul? Or to evaluate his true character and nature? I read and listen to them and other voices just as you do, perhaps admittedly not as assiduously as I should or ought.

    But again: Cogito ergo ius mihi dicere est. I think (critically, analytically, logically, rationally, empirically, scientifically, etc., ad infinitum) therefore I have the right to speak out.

    Moreover, those assassins, those murderers who committed those heinous crimes against the Fogel family – are not victims! They are barbarians, they are vile, detestable serpents who must be brought to justice and punished condignly with capital punishment – nothing less will do. So on that point we’re in agreement. We are also in agreement that those who preach this sort of barbarism on religious and or political grounds, must also be punished.

    One last point, you make my case for me when you say “…until incited by Euroscum and Ameriscum (as in leftist shits and anarchists) to violence.” My exact import of the Amercan liberal-left in my comments here, and in my rather prescient article four months ago, “Why Liberals Just Adore etc., etc.,on 21 Nov. 10.

    So I understand your righteous indignation, but do not be too quick to paint us all with the same broad brush of your legitimate, righteous anger and frustration – but know this and know it quite well, that many of us are on the same page and same side as you.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/an Alan Kurtz II

    This is Roger Nowosielski, temporarily posting under different handle in support of Mr. Kurtz. In spite of his bedside manners, Mr. Kurtz is performing an invaluable service in puncturing the overinflated egos of many members of the BC community. It would be a shame to see him booted out merely for bringing many our imperfections to light, including those of yours truly. To the best of my knowledge, Mr. Kurtz is not given to using cuss words or similar such language. Speaking for myself, I have never found him offensive.

  • http://www.carminasaturaqueamericana.com Irvin F. Cohen

    RE your # 69,

    Just wondering…but do you me?

  • LynnfromBC

    First I want to say thank you for the article on Jordan Ruvy. I watched the Crown Prince of Jordan peddling the King’s new book on Jon Stewart about two weeks ago. He made it sound like Jordan was the only true democracy surrounded by dictators. That article was a fresh insight into the situation.

    Here is an article from Israel citing Netanyahu wanting the Jihadist parts of the Koran expunged over the Rabbi Fogel and his family’s death. It was a moving piece and he got his point across, especially toward the international community. Although it may have been posted here earlier.

    I think it is important also for people to understand that most people are not here for a job interview and are therefore not required to give out their life histories in order to have an opinion about things. Some people have lived through things that give them unique insight, while others have only read about it. Most veterans I know of don’t want to talk about the wars they have fought, but they do want us to know what they thought of the reasons they were there in the first place. However,nothing new will be learned if we shut people and their opinions out just because we think black and white about something and they think in a more grey manner. Nothing more will be heard about atrocities around the world if we are not given the acknowledgement of having a voice.

    Jihadist terrorism has to be stopped along with every other kind of terrorism, in the world. This article was very interesting to me because it pointed out a fact that most people do not understand about this specific group, in the US and that would extend to Canada as well. Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal are all major cities here that experience considerable hate fueled violence that often culminates in drive-by shootings, gang wars, and honor killings, just to name a few issues the press manages to get out. a lot of the violence that is brought over here is suppressed by the media because these cities are major tourist attractions. Right or wrong, economics plays a role. We don’t, however, kill the messenger when they deliver.

    Thanks for listening and goodnight.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/an Alan Kurtz II

    What have you got to do with it, Irv? Are we running a popularity contest?

  • http://www.carminasaturaqueamericana.com Irvin F. Cohen

    Wel actually Raj, I am running a popularity contest of a sort; that is if you consider, who is the most detested, loathed, despised, hated and most likely to be banned outright from these environs – not just from the comments pages, but from writing articles and having them published on this website as well.

    Otherwise, no, not at all.

  • http://archetypeinaction.org Skip Conover

    I favor Freedom of Speech myself.

    Here’s a conundrum. Above I have been called a socialist, commie, pinko, while in another venue from the same article I have been called a Nazi by a Muslim. I guess that puts me squarely in the middle, where I’ve always considered myself anyway, but it does raise the question in my mind: How do we get out of this and leave a peaceful world for our grandchildren?

    The Tsunami I mention in my book title is real, and it has nothing to do with Japan except for the metaphor.

    Best regards, Skip

  • http://www.carminasaturaqueamericana.com Irvin F. Cohen

    Hey listen up there Skipper, or should that be with all due respect, at ease as in restez calme pour un moment.

    I thought you said you weren’t gonna comment no mo. But dear Colonel in the actual civilian-puke, non-hacking, maggot, worm, scumbag real world, you are allowed to change your goddamn mind. And oh by the way, I now outrank you. Yeah, that’s right, you know why? Because I am now a PFC which is an acronym for Private Fucking Civilian.

    Now as to your predicament, your conundrum so to speak: either both of us are wrong, or one or the other is wrong. And vice versa, both or one or the other is right. Yeah, I’d say that’s a problem.

  • http://archetypeinaction.org Skip Conover

    Irv. I didn’t mean forever. Actually, we’re both right in some respects and wrong in others. That’s true of the Muslims too. How do we find common ground?

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Listen to this podcast and see if it doesn’t sound like someone you have read before. Believe me, hundreds of thousands of us, if not millions of us think as this man does, and want you and all the Eurotrash gone. We will muddle along happily without you.

  • El Bicho

    “In spite of his bedside manners, Mr. Kurtz is performing an invaluable service in puncturing the overinflated egos of many members of the BC community.”

    What a load of bunk. He insulted a writer who chose to use his weekly music column to write about Phil Collins retirement because someone else had written about the same subject. The problem is Kurtz’ ego is one of the most overinflated ever to visit the site.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/an Alan Kurtz II

    No question about that. But do you make it a habit to complain to the upper management about Kurtz just because you’re unable to deal with Kurtz mano a mano?

    Just asking.

  • http://www.carminasaturaqueamericana.com Irvin F. Cohen

    Wait a minute, what about me, what about my overweening, inflated, super narcissistic, obnoxious, bombastic, prolix and verbose, condescending and insulting, super insensitive, Thesaurus driven, super egotistical ego?! Do I not take myself too seriously, do I not have an excessively distorted opinion of myself? You fucking hairball!

    Wait a minute, come to think of it, that’s not entirely me; the prolix and overly verbose, bombastic persona, that’s me [edited].

    This guy’s a fucking college professor? Go figure, well actually that fits him to a tee. Where else on this planet of ours, could you pay real dollars, lots and lots of ‘em, for so much bullshit and indecipherable and unfathomable intellectual masturbation?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/an Alan Kurtz II

    What are you complaining about now? That you’re not the center of attention? Don’t you worry about it, Irv. When your time will come, I’ll stand up for you, posthumously. But for the time being at least, Mr. Kurtz needs our support. So can you possibly rise above your own overinflated ego and forget number one?

  • http://www.carminasaturaqueamericana.com Irvin F Cohen

    Well actually Raj, it ain’t about me, it’s about number two. Can’t be anymore cryptic about it than that otherwise I too will be (deleted – due to editorially, politically incorrect improper aspersions to – deleted – powers that be).

    Now what dah yah mean I ain’t the center of attention? Wait a sec, I think I have a tantrum coming on. Waaah, waah, waaah, wadda yah mean I ain’t the center of attraction, waaah, waaah, waaah! I want, I want, I want. Vizz-shtay-a-vooh?

  • El Bicho

    “But do you make it a habit to complain to the upper management about Kurtz just because you’re unable to deal with Kurtz mano a mano?”

    That’s rich. When have I been unable to handle Kurtz? Besides, he’s the one usually running to management to complain. Now, I see he has removed his name from his profile. That’ll show everyone

  • http://www.carminasaturaqueamericana.com Irvin F. Cohen

    Looks like thar’s rebellion a-brewin’. ‘n mehbee bloody insurrection tah boot. ‘n mehbee bloodier internecine back-stabbing and cuttin’ o’ throats.

    Or as ole Shakey once said:

    “Double, double toil and trouble,
    Fire burn and cauldron bubble.”

    And:

    “By the pricking of my thumbs,
    Something wicked this way comes.”

  • http://www.carminasaturaqueamericana.com Irvin F. Cohen

    Correction for the sake of both meter and rhyme (and euphony too): Add the word “too” to the end of the first P so that it reads “…and cuttin’ o’ throats TOO.” Lower case of course, I used caps here solely for emphasis and to highlight the additional word “too”.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/an Roger Nowosielski

    Wssn’t accusing you, LB, but some of the editors and other BC participants have done precisely that. Besides, Kurtz’ complaints were against the management or parts of the management team, not against BC members at large.