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In another Blogcritics article and its associated comments, it has been suggested that there have been lots of false accusations concerning Senator Obama. One comment notes,

A) He's an Arab
B) He is related to Osama bin Laden
C) He's going to be sworn in on the Qu'ran
D) He has "ties" to Al Qaeda
E) "Just look at his name. How can anyone vote for someone with a name like that. Besides John McCain is a war hero. Makes me want to run screaming.

The author of the article, in a subsequent comment, observed

That McCain and Palin and the RNC are whipping up such innuendo and misinformation that people are extrapolating all kinds of things, and yes, just such claims have been circulating about Obama all OVER the web and all OVER Fox News and Rush and so forth. In fact, at a Palin rally the guy who introduced her made it a point to use Obama's middle name and emphasize it and there are bumper stickers all over with Obama/Osama on them.

I don't doubt for a moment that such accusations make many people "want to run screaming." Unsupported allegations have a similar effect on me.

Perhaps I might offer an hypothesis as to why the stuff cited in the article and in the comments has some currency. It just could be that there has been so much media bias and distortion that denials are not credited, simply because it is very difficult to accept what the MSM (and to some extent, perhaps Senator Obama) says.

According to a February 2008 Harris Poll, television news has a sixteen percent approval rating, only double that of the Congress, at eight percent, and merely one point above that of the White House, at fifteen percent.

An ABC News op-ed piece (labeled as such, which is refreshing),  the author, Michael Malone, notes that there has been very substantial media favoritism during the campaign and, indeed, previously. The article does bear the caveat that This is the opinion of the columnist and in no way reflects the opinion of ABC News.

At a luncheon in Hollywood sponsored by the Caucus for Producers, Writers & Directors on 27 October, hardly a rabidly conservative group,

no one seemed inclined to defend MSNBC . . . for what some were calling its lopsidedly liberal coverage of the presidential election.

The cable news channel is "completely out of control," said writer-producer Linda Bloodworth-Thomason, a self-proclaimed liberal Democrat.

Criticism of the coverage of Governor Palin was voiced by several attendees, including Ms. Bloodworth-Thompson, who stated

"We should stop the demonizing," she said, adding that Democrats have been worse than Republicans as far as personal attacks on candidates are concerned. "It diminishes us," she said of her fellow Democrats."

In an article published in National Review Online (NRO), author Andrew C. McCarthy questions the failure of the MSM to report substantively on Senator Obama's alleged connections with a rather well known pro-Palestine, anti-Israel colleague, Rashid Khalidi — particularly since the LA times apparently has a video tape of

the 2003 farewell bash in Chicago at which Barack Obama lavished praise on the guest of honor, Rashid Khalidi — former mouthpiece for master terrorist Yasser Arafat. . . . The party featured encomiums by many of Khalidi’s allies, colleagues, and friends, including Barack Obama, then an Illinois state senator, and Bill Ayers, the terrorist turned education professor. It was sponsored by the Arab American Action Network (AAAN), which had been founded by Khalidi and his wife, Mona, formerly a top English translator for Arafat’s press agency.

There might also be just a smidgen of confusion because Senator Obama has had a tendency, since his days at Harvard Law School, to avoid voicing his actual positions. According to the linked 28 January 2007 NY Times article, people tended to hear "what they wanted in Mr. Obama’s words" and "students on each side of the debate thought he was endorsing their side." His speeches, said to have been "delivered in the oratorical manner of a Baptist minister, were more memorable for style than substance," chock full of inspiration but lacking in specific content. As to race and merit, "everyone could point to Mr. Obama and find justification for their views."

He had acknowledged benefiting from affirmative action in the past, so those who supported it saw him as the happy product of their beliefs.

But those who opposed it saw his presidency as the triumph of meritocracy. . .

In dozens of interviews, his friends said they could not remember his specific views from that era, beyond a general emphasis on diversity and social and economic justice.

Many of the former classmates wondered whether his style of leadership would work in a context unlike that of the Law Review. One, Ron Klain, who preceded Mr. Obama at the Law Review and was in later years Vice President Al Gore's chief of staff, commented that Senator Obama's style of leadership was of a nature "more effective running a law review than running a country."

I can't comment personally on Senator Obama's performance as Editor in Chief of the Harvard Law Review, because I wasn't there. I was Notes Editor of another law review, and we had very few political or philosophical discussions; we were generally very busy writing and editing articles while carrying fairly heavy class loads. Typically, an editor could be expected to devote roughly forty hours per week to his Law Review work. Law Review was, at least for my colleagues and for me, a place for hard work and very little else. It was neither a social nor a debate society. There was a collegial atmosphere, but the focus was on getting the Law Review published and doing it professionally. Things may be different now, and were probably different when Senator Obama was in law school (1988 – 1991). My experience harks back to the "good old days," (1963 – 1966) when computers were uncommon and the editing process involved use of a typewriter, scissors and scotch tape, followed by review of galley proofs and further editing before the Law Review was put to bed.

Senator Obama seems to have a knack for being all things to all people. And that, I suggest, has something to do with the unsupported accusations discussed in the linked BC article and in the comments associated with it. Combine his "all things to all people" persona with the quite reasonable distrust of the MSM, and there is very fertile ground for the germination of unfounded accusations.

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  • Dan, your teaser for this article on the Politics homepage states: “If misinformation concerning a candidate is to be limited, the candidate should make the facts known.”

    Have you not come across the website set up by the Obama campaign specifically to answer such misinformation?

  • I still don’t know who he is, and I have read the man’s books, as well as everything else I can get my hands on. There are several troubling things about him, including some of the items you mentioned.

    I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    I really did not wish to respond to this article and I really don’t want to get into a protracted discussion, but I will say two things:

    How many other candidates have written books by their own hand (None. McCain’s were ghostwritten)

    How much did any of you know about any other candidates? Ever? Any more than you know about Obama? No.

    Do you know less about Obama than you do about McCain? Or Palin? No.

    Now. Give it a rest. This is getting absurd.

  • Funny, Dan, you bring up one of the least controversial points about good ol’ Barry, his backing of so-called “Palestinian” Arabs and their spurious and illegal claims concerning the Land of Israel, and the Jewish “Obama campaign manager” at this magazine doesn’t want to get into it with you….

    My cousin on the left coast sent me a video pushing Jews overseas to vote for Obama. If I hadn’t watched his speech before AIPAC and seen how he lied there, if I wasn’t aware of all the Arabs making phone calls for him from the Gaza Strip, if I wasn’t aware of his intervention in Kenyan politics, I might have thought the video was something other than a pack of lies and bullshit.

  • Clavos

    Now. Give it a rest.

    Not your call. If you’re bothered, don’t read…

  • Lisa,

    At least we agree on one point,This is getting absurd.


  • Doc,

    Gosh Darn! How could I have missed it. As soon as I finish hanging my head in shame, I shall repair posthaste to the campaign site. Unfortunately, it may take a while. I am confident that it will answer any questions I might have. Thank you so much for calling it to my attention; I just wish I had known of it before. I mean, really. Would I lie to you? Trust me. I’m a recovering attorney. Honest.*


    *Snicker snicker

  • Ruvy,

    Just out of morbid curiosity, why do you label Senator Obama’s backing of so-called “Palestinian” Arabs . . . one of the least controversial points? Because they are just guys in the neighborhood, or for some other reason?


  • Dan,

    The thing you have to comprehend is that the Mandate for Palrstine was supposed to createw a Jewish National Home – and that this Mandate, when originally conceived in April, 1920 by Britain, France, Italy and Japan, consisted of Lebanon south of the Litani River, all of transjordan, cisjpordan and the Heights of Golan. By the time the Mandate came into effect in 1923, the British Colonial Office had given most of that land mass away to various Arab countries and waxs in the process of creating rights for the Arabs that were never supposed to even exist. And all this was done by good lawyering and good lying.

    Now both John McCain and Barack Obama want to erect a terror state run by the PLO in the midst of the 20% of the Mandate that remains to us and force Israel and all of the Jews out of there. Notice, I said BOTH of them. So there is nothing controversial about Obama being supported by Arabs.

    In a while, with G-d’s help, there will be a book review posted here explaining that first paragraph. That’s all I can say on the matter right now….

  • One thing I will say “Jewish National Home” was another way of saying “Jewish State” – that was the original intent of the Mandate for all of the land I mentioned in the comment above.

  • moon

    The kicker, Ruvy, was the Balfour Declaration that was part of the Palestine Mandate document:

    “Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”

    The Zionists wanted it all and not any stinkin’ Balfour Declaration.

  • Marthe, the Balfour Declaration was exactly what the Zionists wanted. You give the statement the erroneous reading most people give it, the erroneous reading that Jew haters in the British government of the day wanted you to give it. The perfidious bastards have succeeded in confusing even an intelligent woman like you, and do it from the grave yet! The Balfour Declaration was a golden opportunity. But, typical of ghetto Jews, Zionist leaders like Weitzmann did not know how to take advantage of a golden opportunity. At the time, Ben-Gurion was just a buck private in the Jewish Legion. A real shame.

  • There are, of course, a few things we know about Him.


  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Well, let’s see, Dan. What I read about him (lower case “h”) was a very old and oft repeated allegation, and just an allegation, reported by ABC, who did not run the ad because they could not make a deal in time (by the way), about the financing of the campaigns. From what I understand Obama agreed to only discuss the issues. McCain and Obama never came to terms.

    Personally, I would rather NOT have campaigns federally financed. I would rather, though, there were a limit on what could be privately raised in total.

    I also read in the comments some pretty ugly stuff where Obama was called a monkey and a “friend of the Jews,” two things that diqualified him from being president, apparently,

    So we know that he (again, lower case “h”) stirs up some pretty racist and anti-semitic feelings in people, feelings which I have heard personally from people when I have canvassed. Hmmm, that certainly is something we know. And feelings that both McCain and Palin (your darling) have done their best to stoke whenever possible, as I said in my opinion piece, Character, Assassinated, while your piece on what we don’t know about him says essentially nothing at all…..

    In fact, you said you were going to disappear for awhile because you were so disgusted, but you haven’t done that at all. What you have done, instead, is write pieces that say, well, nothing about anything. And link to nothing about anything.

    And I can’t figure out why a supposedly smart guy like you, who said he was tired of all the fussin’ and fightin’ and was taking a break, is doing this, unless he was bored, and decided to come back and try and stir things up.

  • Zedd

    Dan (Miller)

    What are you saying?

    His style of running the country WILL be the same as when he was at Harvard? Or He was good at Harvard so we should be concerned that he wont be good as President? Or He should have behaved like the President of the United States when he was at Harvard so his fellow students would tell us that he is Presidential?



    Prayer in school

    The economy


    Family values

    The deficit

    More government spending


    Are you kidding me?

  • Ah Lisa, I just can’t stay away. Perhaps it’s an addiction. In that connection, it seems that even MSNBC may be trying to affect an aura of being “fair and balanced.”


    PS. To the best of my knowledge, the “Dan” mentioned in the MSNBC story and I are not related. He is not even a “guy in my neighborhood.” He never took care of my kids, and I never met, let alone had dinner with him. Gosh Darn, do you suppose he lives in the highlands of Panama? Nah, I never saw him.

  • Zedd,

    Nope, I am not saying that at all. I am saying, as did many of his colleagues at Harvard Law School, that Senator Obama seems to be all things to all people. I really don’t have the foggiest idea what he is or how he would behave were he to be elected President. Perhaps, if the problems cited in the article had been resolved, I might even have voted for him. They weren’t, and probably won’t be, and therefore I didn’t.


  • Lisa, it looks like you don’t want to get into an argument with me either. You defend the fool (Obama) just like my cousin does. I love my cousin, so instead of arguing with her, I sent her my article on how Barry Obama Loves the Jews NOT. I haven’t received an answer from her yet. But just to make you happy, I’ll send you this piece of schmaltzy bullshit, so you can watch it too…. It’s certified truth, coming from the “messiah” hisself and it’s grade A kosher stamped by every shrimp-eating, bacon munching Hiloní in the People’s Republic of Tel Aviv.

    Heck, it should be added to the Tana”kh – NOT!

  • Arch Conservative

    “Lisa, it looks like you don’t want to get into an argument with me either. You defend the fool (Obama) just like my cousin does.”

    Ruvy….you’ve been around long enough to know that the number of shallow, superficial, idiots exhibiting ignorant groupthink being created by the modern American culture is increasing exponentially.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    “If the problems cites in the article had been resolved…”
    Which problems, Dan?”

    Whether Obama IS a Muslim?

    Whether he WILL really raise taxes?

    Whether Rush Limbaugh is right?

    Whether a lifelong Republican can change his spots by listening to Rush Limbaugh? (ie., change his ideology by getting his information from the same place he always has?)

    I am NOT saying anyone who does not vote for Obama is a racist. I am saying that some of the comments in the ABC article smacked of racism and anti-semitism.

    And that as many “questions” remain about McCain and Palin as remain about any candidate at any point in history….

    You have taken a point of view and you are sticking to it in spite of everything.

    What you offer as “evidence” is just anecdotal reportage. As a journalist I find it absurd.

  • Zedd


    What is wrong with being all things to all people? That is how you get along and are able to make people work with each other without knowing it. Some people have that GIFT.

    This guy was raised understanding that being misunderstood hurts. That people get people completely wrong and NOT seeing the complexities in an individual causes you to miss who they are and what their gifts are. Think about how he was able to explain Wright and his grandmother. He gets nuance, many people don’t. People, especially Republicans love hard and fast conclusions. That way of looking at the world and resolving matters is easy. But being able to see the details and working based on those revelations is harder and most people don’t have the ability to do so. Obama can say, I will talk to our enemies because he knows there is more to them then whatever label we have placed on them. Refusing to find the details is lazy, decapitating and small. This guy is BIG and smart in that respect and it resonates.

    Now that you know who he is, go vote for him and stop looking for reasons NOT to vote for him. Come on. Make a relentless amber beauty proud.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Check this out,Dan. And why don’t you take the tests?

  • Cannonshop

    Okay, this is what I got from one of those Tests, Lisa:

    Your implicit association results, appearing below, are for entertainment and educational purposes only. The tasks that you tried attempts to assess how strongly you associate the concept “Good” with presidential candidates and racial groups. The assumption of the task is that it should be easier to categorize the words and pictures if the two “focal” groups are associated in your memory. A majority of respondents find it easier to categorize Good words and images of White people together compared to categorize Good words and images of Black people. In the domain of political preference, Democrats may find it easier to sort Barack Obama images and Good words together, whereas Republicans might be faster sorting John McCain images and Good words together.

    There is considerable speculation about the role of racial attitudes in candidate preferences for this election. Some argue that race may play a subtle role in voting preference, and others suggest that it is not a factor – especially given other pressing concerns such as the economy. We are testing the extent to which racial associations are related to candidate associations. Your scores are reported immediately below. Are they aligned with your conscious beliefs? With this task we hope to learn when these associations will, and will not, correspond with each other.
    The results of your tests are outlined below:

    Your data suggests a slight automatic preference for Black people over White people

    Your data suggests a strong automatic preference for John McCain over Barack Obama

    Depending on the magnitude of your result, your automatic associations may be described as ‘slight’, ‘moderate’, ‘strong’, or ‘little to no preference or difference in association’. How implicit associations affect our judgments and behaviors is not well understood and may be influenced by a number of variables. As such, the score should serve as an opportunity for self-reflection, not as a definitive assessment of your implicit thoughts or feelings. This and future research will clarify the way in which implicit thinking and feelings affects our perception, judgment, and action. If you have any questions about this study or if you would like to find out the overall results… (email deleted)

    You are welcome to try additional demonstration tasks…(bla-bla-blah advertising blah)

    Now…that’s a “huh???” moment. I had a hard time telling who was black or white in the pictures. I think they might have a problem in their methodology.

  • Clavos

    I’m amused that because you Democrats find your Messiah so appealing, you insist that a Conservative like Dan(Miller) should also vote for him.

    In what way is Obama a Conservative?

  • troll

    …I avoid violent video games – they give me a headache

  • The article refers to a video tape in the possession of the LA Times which that paper has thus far declined to release. Here is an article by Jeffrey Goldberg in The Atlantic suggesting that the refusal to release the tape adds to the confusion surrounding the question of just who is Senator Obama.


  • Here is a link to another interesting article, pointing out some of the things I perhaps should have said but didn’t. The perspective of the author of the article makes it well worth reading.


  • pablo


    I just love it when you refer to Murdoch and company as a valid reference. Better yet why not use the Washington (owned by Reverend Moon) Times?


  • Pablo,

    Gosh Darn! I am so happy that you are pleased. Your pleasure brings tears of joy to my eyes! I am delighted that you are changing your wicked ways.


  • Zedd


    I don’t think that Dan(Miller)is any title. He may be called something but I think he is much more complex than a title. Considering that conservatism is a blurry concept in today’s landscape, calling him one is essentially meaningless.

    So, because of the way that Dan communicates, I assume that he is a thinking man and beyond the immensely meaningless tags that folks like yourself like to through around, I assume to make things simple for them (???).

  • Clavos

    Quite right, Zedd. Allow me to re-submit a corrected version of my original statement:

    I’m amused that because you Democrats find your Messiah so appealing, you insist that a [insert word of your choice here] like Dan(Miller) should also vote for him.

  • bliffle

    I predict an Obama landslide.

    Why? Just judging from the hysterical ranting of Dave, and the fact that Dan(Miller) has changed from a mild mannered moderate republican into a fire-breathing Obama scandal monger.

    They both read a lot of political hoohah and they must smell it in the air.

  • Condor

    If Obama doesn’t win (just suppose), can we anticipate riots in the streets? If so, this is the last weekend to stock up on various items needed.

  • Condor, I can’t speak for the rest of the country, but if the citizens of Fresno, California (my place of residence) haven’t been provoked into rioting by the Bulldogs’ fondness for throwing away prestigious and winnable home games, I very much doubt that an Obama loss will do it!

  • Zedd


    Thanks for the clarification. It helps

    However…. Let’s not dummy down the discourse by implying that those who have or will vote for Obama see him as some sort of messianic figure. He is the better of the two candidates. The nation is tanking and McCain is spouting the same ideas that got us into this mess. People are loosing their homes and jobs and it ain’t gonna get any better any time soon and he wastes our time by invoking the idea that the alternative to his old notions is socialism; employing the scare tactics that brought on the ignorance which created this mess. It’s enough. He’s not good enough. He doesn’t know how to think creatively enough to solve the issues that face us. SIMPLE(whether in English, Spanish or French… take your pick)!

    As for you, you can let go of wanting to be right and choose the best man for the job today. So you loved Reagan or BushI or William F. Buckley and Friedman is your hero. Right now, today, we have this situation and McCain is not equipped to handle it. He doesn’t have anything in his tool belt to use to solve this matter. He just wants a whack at it. Obama is a creative problem solver; a man of the time. He understands the global landscape and the workaround culture that we are in. He is not stale or hard and fast or prides himself on going against the grain. He is about solutions, period. Not evocative concepts from some MGM movie. Pensi a questo proposito, uomo!

  • Condor


    You’re remiss in forgetting the Philly factor… and they won!

  • Zedd

    the fact that Dan(Miller) has changed from a mild mannered moderate republican into a fire-breathing Obama scandal monger.

    I feel disallusioned. Sigh…. I’m keeping hope alive. He’s being held at gun point by some dumb redneck

  • Zedd,

    I must confess to breathing fire. Gosh Darn! It is a great way to toast marshmallows. Wooooosh!


  • Zedd


    I love how its perfectly acceptable to you that the European were making mandates on Arab lands in the 20’s. AND that you think that every one else is fine with that. Funny stuff.

  • Clavos

    Zedd #35,

    Appreciate your impassioned (if misguided) plea, but you’re too late; I voted days ago.

  • troll

    gee…it’s almost like Dan wants to be blind to the unresolved blood lust and racism at the heart of US polite society

    (in these awkward situations it is best not to address the dragon directly or look him in the eye)

  • Condor

    And Zedd, he also has Pelosi and Reid! Wow, what a combo.

    I happen to like Obama, but that freakin’ house leadership is FUBAR. Too bad he is joined at the hip with all that party trash.

  • troll

    not to worry Condor – he’s a Marxist or haven’t you heard…he’ll get rid of those pushy bastards in his first Stalinesque purge

  • Clavos

    Any chance he could be talked into getting rid of the entire Congress and Senate? And, while he’s at it, about 95% of federal employees as well?

  • Appreciate your impassioned (if misguided) plea, but you’re too late; I voted days ago.

    That’s too bad, Clav, but since it’s Florida surely you can say you’d like another go.

    Tell them your name is Dedman ‘Stiffy’ DeKay, the Voter from Beyond. I’m sure he’s on the rolls somewhere.

    Then vote for the other guy. It’s only fair.

  • Clavos

    LOL, Doc!

    I REALLY like your wry humor!

    Oh, wait — you were serious, weren’t you?

  • You’d know, Clav…

    One further observation: judging by Dave’s current profile picture, there’s at least one dead guy voting in Texas.

  • Doc, re Comment #34,

    This just in, from the horse’s um, ah, oh yes, mouth. It’s (allegedly) from an interview in Italy with Erica Jong.

    “My friends Ken Follett and Susan Cheever are extremely worried. Naomi Wolf calls me every day. Yesterday, Jane Fonda sent me an email to tell me that she cried all night and can’t cure her ailing back for all the stress that has reduces her to a bundle of nerves.”

    “My back is also suffering from spasms, so much so that I had to see an acupuncturist and get prescriptions for Valium.”

    “After having stolen the last two elections, the Republican Mafia…”

    “If Obama loses it will spark the second American Civil War. Blood will run in the streets, believe me. And it’s not a coincidence that President Bush recalled soldiers from Iraq for Dick Cheney to lead against American citizens in the streets.”

    “Bush has transformed America into a police state, from torture to the imprisonment of reporters, to the Patriot Act.”

    Do their concerns perhaps have some basis? Have we yet had a civil war over the outcome of a football game (or whatever the Bulldogs do)? Poor Jane Fonda. It’s a pity. I feel so sorry for her*.


    *snicker, pause, barf.

  • Have we yet had a civil war over the outcome of a football game (or whatever the Bulldogs do)?

    Not yet, Dan, but as a resident of Central America I’m sure you’re well aware that such an outcome is not outside the realm of possibility.

  • Condor

    Based on the Jong article above…. it’s either real or just an excuse for a valium scrip.

    I wonder if all the Hollywierdo’s will have a collective orgasm if Obama wins? Obamagasm.

    Is Alec Baldwin planning to move back from France? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…. what a clown town Hollywierd is.

  • moon


    From your post, I would say that you don’t exactly fall into the healthy normal category either.

  • Cindy D

    Who is Senator Obama?

    I’ll go with the assessment of the conservative who has written and spoken most about how important character is to her–former speechwriter for Ronald Reagan and Wall Street Journal columnist–Peggy Noonan.

    Obama and the Runaway Train
    The race, the case, a hope for grace.

    He has within him the possibility to change the direction and tone of American foreign policy, which need changing; his rise will serve as a practical rebuke to the past five years, which need rebuking; his victory would provide a fresh start in a nation in which a fresh start would come as a national relief. He climbed steep stairs, born off the continent with no father to guide, a dreamy, abandoning mother, mixed race, no connections. He rose with guts and gifts. He is steady, calm, and, in terms of the execution of his political ascent, still the primary and almost only area in which his executive abilities can be discerned, he shows good judgment in terms of whom to hire and consult, what steps to take and moves to make. We witnessed from him this year something unique in American politics: He took down a political machine without raising his voice.

  • Clavos

    Yada, yada, yada…

    Vote for the Messiah…

  • Clavos

    Peggy Noonan is a freakin’ conservative!

    She worked for Reagan, for crissakes! She’s in the same party as Bush!

    How can you trust anyone as stupid and unamerican as that?

    Let us hope she doesn’t hurt the Mess Obama campaign too badly.

  • Cindy D


    Noonan also writes very positively about John McCain and expresses differences with Obama in that article.

    My point has nothing to do with “vote for the Messiah”, it has to do with assessment of character. Something Dan has expressed as a concern. I am simply providing the opinion of a very conservative woman who has written extensively on character.

  • Clavos

    But she’s a conservative, Cindy!

    You can’t trust anything they say; they are the devil incarnate.

    If she writes postively about McCain, that alone is reason enough NOT to vote for him.

    My God, the woman’s a…a…a…Republican!.

    It makes my skin crawl to even type that word.

  • Cindy D

    Clav, you are silly. lol

    And besides, you made a mistake…

    How can you trust anyone as…unamerican as that?

    That certainly doesn’t belong in a sardonic comment aimed at me!

  • Out of interest, Clav (or Dan (Miller)) – can you point to anything at all that an Obama supporter has said or written in which he is actually referred to as the Messiah?

  • Cindy D


    Concerning conservatives. Conservatives are fine with me. William Buckley, Goldwater and other pseudo-conservatives , which is the direction the conservative movement went after Buckley formed the National Review are the antipathy of my very fiber.

    I’ll take Ike or Taft. They were real conservatives. And they were very different than what has been hijacked as conservatism. Pseudo-conservatives these days have steadily moved into the realm of being anti-human. Not all in every way. But I think they have wandered very far from what conservatism was.

  • Cindy D

    Here’s a picture:

    If in M.A.S.H. (my favorite show of all time), Hawkeye is a liberal, and Colonel Potter is a conservative, then Majors Houlihan and Burns represent pseudo-conservatives.

  • Cindy D

    Finally Clav,

    I didn’t say I trusted Peggy Noonan. I just thought Dan might.

  • moon


    I think you’d better remember that you are pretty darn close to Jane Fonda’s age–your back (or some other painful part) could go out on you at any moment, too.

    I know my neck went off its hinges a couple weeks ago–and I couldn’t care less about the crises in Gringolandia.

    Just part of the ageing package….

  • Clavos

    Out of interest, Clav (or Dan (Miller)) – can you point to anything at all that an Obama supporter has said or written in which he is actually referred to as the Messiah?

    Search Louis Farrakhan and Obama on YouTube, Doc.

    To my knowledge, Farrakhan’s the only one to actually say it, but sleazebag opportunist that I am, I will probably never again refer to the Messiah any other way, not even when he occupies the highest office in the land, which all my grade school civics teachers tried in vain to teach me to respect.


  • Clavos

    The next time fonda’s back goes out of whack, we could help her fix it by stretching her neck…

    I’ll bring the rope.

  • Zedd

    And they were very different than what has been hijacked as conservatism. Pseudo-conservatives these days have steadily moved into the realm of being anti-human. Not all in every way. But I think they have wandered very far from what conservatism was.

    And the angels sing… Haaaaa-le-lluuuuu-jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!

    Sad thing is these people don’t even know what a conservative is. They are just caught up in a frenzy of high school gossip, who is “in” and who’s got boogers and who should no one eat lunch with. They believe that all of their made up rules, loving fetuses, wanting people to pray in school (even though its not prohibited), being for family (even though everyone is, its a human condition), liking to kill animals (its supposed to mean that you are American some how), being angry at none Americans, all Earthlings. Maintaining an up-yours attitude no matter what (not sure why). Fearing all religions other than Christians and Jews who are in Israel but maintaining distrust towards the ones in America. These beliefs are what define important values. What is uncomfortable about it all is that these are all vague and not connected to conservatism. They are just a stance but not ideological really.

  • moon

    You could check with Hiassen on this, as I am not an expert on the group, but I believe that you just described part of the Cracker Code, Zedd.

  • Zedd


    But she’s a conservative, Cindy!

    You can’t trust anything they say; they are the devil incarnate.

    This is more so how you guys think. No one thinks conservatives are evil. Some may see them as misguided or even wrong but the practice of demonizing people because of their politics is a habit of modern day “conservatives”. It’s perplexing and really annoying to thinking people.

    The reason that talk radio didn’t work for people on the left is that belittling and demonizing isn’t rational and doesn’t work for thinkers. It is the very thing that they have come to dislike about the right.

    Also, you may want to cease with the Messiah thing. It’s just small and very Rush’esque. Might as well say Naner-naner-naaaaner. It just feeds into the dumb Republican thing. We don’t want Republicans to be dumb. We want America to have divergent views and smart ideals that people debate. So don’t be small. Argue for you ideas but pleas HAVE some ideas to argue for.

  • moon

    If you want gringos to be smart, put money into education (and not the spoon-feeding banking model called NCLB, which is worse than the Latin American model of 50 years ago),

    and not into weapons and mercenaries.

  • Cindy D


    The reason that talk radio didn’t work for people on the left is that belittling and demonizing isn’t rational and doesn’t work for thinkers. It is the very thing that they have come to dislike about the right.

    And I’ll add along with promoting a culture of greed and war. I’m sure I can list other things, but I’ll stop with those two biggies.

    You might be interested in some links I posted for Lisa in comment #25 on this thread.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    I don’t knw that it doesn’t work. I listen to progressive talk radio all the time; it seems to have a pretty wide audience to me. I don’t know about ad revenue, but I listen to Air America and NOVA radio….. Bill Press, the Young Turks, Ed Schults, Randi Rhodes, Rachel Maddow, and more, whenever I am in the car and sometimes at home….

    They get a LOT of calls and break a lot of stories and Maddow was hired directly from Air America (where she still is) to be on MSNBC.

  • Zedd

    Ahhh Air America. I simply wasn’t good enough. Too many ticked off raspy voiced people trying to make a name for themselves by having a shtick. Sound familiar? It’s unbearable. I would rather listen to NPR and get the full spectrum, get smarter and appreciate life, instead listening to people who I generally agree with, who get mean and petty, who regularly drift off on unrelated rants; who focus on tit for tat as opposed to solutions for all people (rich and poor). It was a breath of fresh air when no one in the msm was holding Bush and the right accountable. It made me feel sane. However after a while, it got low brow and silly. Franken sounded drunk or high 2/3rds of the time. The one show that I did appreciate was the one with Kennedy. It was thoughtful, smart and provoking. But the mean spirited yakking is useless and no different than what Rush does. It dummies down the discourse. Don’t need for people to agree with me always (not that needy), I just want good solid information.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    I listen to it all, Zedd. NPR, BBC, NPR on Satellite (which has different stuff). I don’t know what AIr America was like in the old days… I have only been listening for a year. But I like it, I do. Thom Hartmann is brilliant, and many of the others don’t “shout” at all….
    THings change from how the start. I have listened to Rush (just to know what he is like and I find very litte resemblance).

  • Clavos

    Also, you may want to cease with the Messiah thing.

    And, I may not…

  • Zedd


    I haven’t listen in a couple of years. I’ll give it a whirl.

  • Doc, re Comment #58 — Oh, OK.

    Would you settle for Moses and “In Obama We Trust?”


  • Lisa Solod Warren

    This is for Clav but I don’t know where to post it. Just thought you might find it interesting…..more your income bracket?

    Of course other are free to read it:)