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Opposition and criticism of the government is part of American politics, and as long it is peaceful and civil, is a good for our country. This political season, especially this past summer, fireworks were lit and parades assembled. But unlike our normal Independence Day celebrations, this was a party based on criticism aimed at our current administration, some justified and others outright insane (i.e. the birthers, guns at town hall meetings, and nasty rhetoric). No baseball games with high fives, just political moments of low blows and innuendos. No picnics, barbecues and concerts with polite conversation; instead of debating the real issues of the day and ways we can make America better, we resorted to elementary behavior of name calling and drama, which included insults aimed directly at citizens.

MSNBC was out in full force to discredit conservative opposition with Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann and Ed Shultz asserting that the protests were “manufactured” and people were being “manipulated.” Shultz inserted that those showing up at town halls were “dumber than Joe the Plumber.” The left has labeled protesters as angry mobs, claiming that all opposition to Obama and his administration are rooted in stupidity and racism, and according the deranged wisdom of Janeane Garofalo, if you are a “black conservative” you must be suffering from Stockholm syndrome. Who could forget Nancy Pelosi’s and Barbara Boxer’s assault on concerned citizens; un-American, Astroturf, diversion by people who want to hurt President Obama, etc. By the way, all of these statements are pure speculation–opinions–, which is relevant to this article.

The latest in this saga: the White House has decided to take on the media, moreover, publicly setting its sights primarily on one specific news organization––Fox News. An October 8th article in Time Magazine, “Calling ‘Em Out: The White House Takes on the Press”, states that due to the criticism, the White House has developed a new strategy, “rather than just giving reporters ammunition to "fact-check" Obama's many critics, the White House decided it would become a player, issuing biting attacks on those pundits, politicians and outlets which make what the White House believes to be misleading or simply false claims." Obama's support was duly noted and was quoted as telling his aides he wanted to "call 'em out."

Anita Dunn, White House Communications Director, a fierce critic of, and leader of the charge against Fox News, which includes blocking Obama and other officials from appearing on the network, had this to say about Fox News, "it's opinion journalism masquerading as news.” "They are boosting their audience. But that doesn't mean we are going to sit back."

Well, if Fox News is masquerading as news, then MSNBC (Lester Holt, David Gregory, Joe Scarborough, Chris Matthews, and the sorely missed, Tim Russert––excluded) is a dismal reality show with Olbermann and Maddow as the stars.

And later in an interview with CNN, Anita Dunn elaborated, “the reality of it is that Fox News often operates almost as either the research arm or the communications arm of the Republican Party." "And it's not ideological…but I think it's fair to say about Fox––and certainly it's the way we view it––is that it really is more of a wing of the Republican Party.”

Michael Clemente, Fox News Senior Vice President, had this to say on the matter, "it's astounding the White House cannot distinguish between news and opinion programming." "It seems self-serving on their part."

In our current culture of 24/7 news coverage we now find ourselves with a never-ending smorgasbord of “opinion shows" focusing on politics. Two stand out: MSNBC which worships Obama and Fox News who doesn't. And as Clemente pointed out, it's obvious which media outlets provide opinion shows as part of their programming and it is easy to distinguish them as that. Is there room in our political discourse for opinion? Yes, even if we disagree. However, some of these opinion shows on both sides of the political aisle many times lack civility and get me fired up. But at the end of the day, I can count on Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert to calm me down.

Anyone who chooses to be in the public eye knows that they are an open target to all kinds of attention and attacks––just ask Britney Spears. Even we bloggers open door of criticism. So why is this White House shocked that they now find themselves the target of critics? They fail to remember that the Bush administration had its share of visceral attacks, which continue today. The majority of the media loves Obama. Why not, he's a likable, charismatic guy! It was odd to see those times when our President publicly pointed his finger at Fox News and it is one thing to dispel the myths and correct the lies, but a strategy that includes shunning and attacking an entire network is quite another. What's wrong with criticism aimed at policies? Ms. Dunn, I hear Glen Beck has set up a special red phone, just for confronting the so-called smears. Is the White House that arrogant, is it a sign of insecurity, or are they just overly sensitive? I don't know and won't speculate.

With all due respect, if you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen, because we, as concerned citizens, have a right to know when promises are broken and when we are being lied to. We have a right to be aware of the radicals now seated in high positions in the White House. We have a right to identify who in our congress is not doing the job they were hired to do: represent the will of the people, read the thousand-page bills and give the public access to them, as promised. We have a right to be aware of where our taxpayer dollars are going, including the stimulus package and all of its earmarks, the bailouts, ACORN, and any future legislation. We have a right to know where the corruption exists in our government; either by Democrats or Republicans.

With an administration set on expanding its power, we have a right to understand what Obama’s real agenda of “change” means. How are we the people going to find out what our government is up to? From the White House or from the media? Considering my sweatshirts have more transparency than this White House (another Obama promise), the odds are in favor of the media. As long as our First Amendment remains intact, which under this administration is at risk, I don't foresee criticism or Fox News going away soon, and I will continue to be one of their many staunch viewers.

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About Christine Lakatos

  • http://wp.blogcritics.org/writers/arlo-j-wiley Arlo

    If you think that the First Amendment is at risk under this administration, you’re the one who needs to cut back on hyperbole.

  • http://www.thecobraslair.com Cobra

    Christine Lakatos writes:

    “With all due respect, if you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen, because we, as concerned citizens, have a right to know when promises are broken and when we are being lied to. “

    And you trust the veracity of Fox News because…

    You are aware that Fox News was bankrolled by a FOREIGN national named Rupert Murdoch?

    You are aware of Fox News’ President and Founder, Roger Ailes?

    “Fox’s founder and president, Roger Ailes, was for decades one of the savviest and most pugnacious Republican political operatives in Washington, a veteran of the Nixon and Reagan campaigns. Ailes is most famous for his role in crafting the elder Bush’s media strategy in the bruising 1988 presidential race. With Ailes’ help, Bush turned a double-digit deficit in the polls into a resounding win by targeting the GOP’s base of white male voters in the South and West, using red-meat themes like Michael Dukakis’ “card-carrying” membership in the ACLU, his laissez-faire attitude toward flag-burning, his alleged indifference to the pledge of allegiance–and, of course, paroled felon Willie Horton.

    Described by fellow Bush aide Lee Atwater as having “two speeds–attack and destroy,” Ailes once jocularly told a Time reporter (8/22/88): “The only question is whether we depict Willie Horton with a knife in his hand or without it.” Later, as a producer for Rush Limbaugh’s short-lived TV show, he was fond of calling Bill Clinton the “hippie president” and lashing out at “liberal bigots” (Washington Times, 5/11/93). It is these two sensibilities above all–right-wing talk radio and below-the-belt political campaigning–that Ailes brought with him to Fox, and his stamp is evident in all aspects of the network’s programming.”

    Now, Christine, don’t mistake what I’m trying to say. I believe Fox News has EVERY RIGHT to be the GOP Propaganda Arm that it was designed to be by Ailes. I also believe that President Obama, Democrats, minority groups, liberals and every other group Fox News constantly slimes has not only a right, but a responsibility to call them out for what they are, and respond to them as adversaries with a political agenda, and not neutral journalists in pursuit of “truth.”

    –Cobra

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Cobra, thanks for the Fox History Lesson. It seems similar to the far left MSNBC, who (to use your words) constantly slimes Ex-President Bush as well as EVERY Republican president, Republicans, conservatives, and whatever group they don’t like. However, the entire Fox line-up is not about politics, just the opinion shows. Check out Shepard Smith on twice a day for example. And most news viewers know what they are getting when they watch MSNBC and FOX.

    I think CNN is a lot more neutral.

  • Roy

    “However, the entire Fox line-up is not about politics, just the opinion shows.”

    Likewise, the entire MSNBC line-up is not about politics, just the opinion shows.

    “And most news viewers know what they are getting when they watch MSNBC and FOX.”

    No Christine, you are wrong. Most FOX viewers believe it is a “news” organization and that is why the Obama administration is calling them out for what they are – a mouthpiece for the Republican party.

    You can call out MSNBC also, but don’t pretend FOX is an unbiased news organization. At best, they are a biased news organization. At worst (and that’s most of the time), they are nothing more than propaganda for the right.

  • Baronius

    You heard it here first: Rupert Murdoch is FOREIGN.

  • Scott

    Hello – Excellent balanced discussion in your article, which rightfully detects the Rightward spin of FOX, and the in the tank left spin of MSNBC. Your coverage is much more balanced than either network — and certainly much more so than the WhiteHouse propaganda merchants.

    Here are three points for consideration:

    1. Who’s thin skinned? CNN’s Wolfe Blitzer recently fact-checked a Saturday Night Live sketch about Obama. C’mon — a comedy sketch? What other President’s comedy sketches were ever fact checked? What could have possibly motivated Blitzer to do that? How about a few fact checks on Bill Marr?

    2. Ignoring facts? FOX has three elements: News commentators who lean right, straight news reporting, and also — left leaning commentators like Juan Willams, Alec Hennigan, and until Recently, Alan Colmes was a guest host. Thre are aothers. Geraldo Rivera is also historically left leaning in his politics. But the whitehouse and FOX critics make no mention of the balance the leftwing commentators provide, and make no distinction between news segments and commentator segments. Very convenient for them.

    3. Democracy relies on debate in the best interest of education. We need both views. And the Whitehouse has no business attempting to tar its opponents, while conveniently overlooking its apologists. All they have to do is simply refute based on facts.

  • Clavos

    Now, Christine, don’t mistake what I’m trying to say. I believe Fox News has EVERY RIGHT to be the GOP Propaganda Arm that it was designed to be by Ailes. I also believe that President Obama, Democrats, minority groups, liberals and every other group Fox News constantly slimes has not only a right, but a responsibility to call them out for what they are, and respond to them as adversaries with a political agenda, and not neutral journalists in pursuit of “truth.”

    I agree. I enjoy watching all of Fox’s targets get apoplectic.

    However, there are no “neutral.” american journalists (or networks).

  • Clavos

    You heard it here first: Rupert Murdoch is FOREIGN.

    Actually, like all of us except for the Indians, he’s an immigrant US citizen since 1985.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Scott, thanks for your comments and the three points that followed. I wanted to spend more time on #2 in my article, however, the BC audience has reprimanded me for being long winded in the past.

    I love JUAN WILLIAMS! And Geraldo is most definitely on the left. In fact he is on now and earlier after the “balloonboy hoax story”, gave a Republican a hard time about health care reform!

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Clavos, I agree. I enjoy watching all of Fox’s targets get apoplectic.

    I’m not sure I am following?

    Baronius is funny! LOL And thanks to Clavos, we cleared that up!

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Actually, like all of us except for the Indians, he’s an immigrant US citizen since 1985.

    Damn foreigners…

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    FOX has three elements: News commentators who lean right, straight news reporting, and also — left leaning commentators like Juan Willams, Alec Hennigan, and until Recently, Alan Colmes was a guest host.

    Two points here: first, although Fox has a few ‘liberal’ pundits and talking heads, their shows are always, always set up in such a way that the ‘leftie’ is supposed to come off worst (leading questions, ‘gotcha’ questions, 3 vs. 1 debate panels etc). It doesn’t always work, of course, but you can’t really claim with a straight face that the handful of left-wing voices on Fox make it a ‘balanced’ network.

    Secondly, there is no straight news reporting on Fox except for the top-of-the-hour news bulletins, and even they’re a bit suspect sometimes.

    I’ve got no problem with the existence of Fox News (other than that they’re all as thick as pigshit) – it’s just that they shouldn’t call themselves that!

  • Reality

    Republicans always confront media and witch hunt people who criticize them, Do you remember when 60 minutes journalists had to resign for his documentary about Bush ? same thing should happen with all liars on Faux.

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    As Doc notes, very little of FOX News is actually news. MSNBC starts out the day featuring Joe Scarborough who is definitely a voice from the right. Pat Buchanan, a regular commentator, is also staunchly on the right. The rest of the day, MSNBC is more or less neutral until Chris Matthews comes on at 5PM. Then the left takes over.

    A couple of points of my own: Rachael Maddow has taken great pains to illustrate just where the leadership and funding comes from for the tea baggers and the rest. Her research is not of the Glen Beck variety – a nut job who just pulls crap directly out of his butt and hands it gift wrapped to his devoted fans.

    I know Olbermann often goes over the top, but he does so largely with intelligence and Maddow is obviously far to the left, but also comes at the right through reasoned, methodical intelligence.

    Beck, Hannity, O’Reilly and the rest rarely show any base intelligence, and Doc is absolutely correct in how FOX uses its supposed “liberal” pundits.

    If FOX usually came up with legitimate concerns in their criticism of the Obama administration, I doubt that the White House would have considered firing back at them. But, as the great majority of crap plopping out of FOX is absolute lies and distortions, I see why they felt it necessary to do so.

    I think Obama and his people can in fact stand the heat, except at times the heat becomes less tolerable when the fires are stoked by ham handed bullshit from FOX.

    B

  • http://jetsgaypride.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    You see, in their alternate reality Fox is the ONLY news source that is “Fair and Balanced” because anything else except Limbaugh is far-left propoganda lies. Trying to convince them otherwise is an exercise in futility because like their bretheren their minds are completely closed.

    Half of them hate gays to because they don’t want to admit that they masturbate to a photo of Glen Beck every night before going to sleep with their stuffed Reagan plush toys every night.

  • http://jetsgaypride.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Here’s a little something from personal experience that you might find interesting…

    I’ve spent a lot of time in hospital and doctor’s waiting rooms the last couple of years and I’ve noticed an interesting phenomomonmonon. If it’s an early morning appointment roughly a third have the waiting room TV on the morning shows, a third have them on Fox and a third have them on CNN’s headline news.

    If my appointment is in the afternoon somehow the same TVs are either tuned to CNN or Headline news.

    I tried and experiment once and stayed after my OSU eye appointment one morning while the TV was tuned to FOX and sat in the back and just watched. After about 45 minutes several people began muttering, one got up and asked the nurse if they could change the station… she said no, she had to do it because she’d have to get a little step ladder to reach it.

    When she asked what channel they wanted to watch about a tenth said soap operas and the rest said either CNN or Headline news.

    This is absolutely true.

  • STM

    Baron: “You heard it here first: Rupert Murdoch is FOREIGN”.

    No he’s not, YOU are.

    Actually, he’s now a US citizen.

    I understand Australians and Americans are now legally able to hold dual citizenship of both countries.

    Whether Mr Murdoch holds that status, I don’t know, but he ain’t foreign to me …

  • STM

    You philistine pack of foreigners …

  • STM

    Scott writes: Democracy relies on debate in the best interest of education. We need both views.”

    Hooray and bingo.

    That’s modern liberal (in the political sense, not the party sense) democracy at work. It’d be a much worse place if that stuff WASN’T happening.

    Imagine the power of one voice, the rest silenced, the debate strangled.

    Clearly, that is not the case; America can go to a zillion different sources for its news and opinion.

    That’s why even if you don’t like either Fox or MNSBC, go somewhere else to get it.

    You not only have the right to free speech, and to hear free speech, but a God-given right to exercise the remote control.

  • pablo

    The founding fathers on democracy:

    John Adams, in a letter to John Taylor, wrote: “Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.”

    James Madison said: “…democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”

    Alexander Hamilton, in debate, said: “Real liberty is neither found in despotism or the extremes of democracy, but in moderate government.”

    Elbridge Gerry, in debate, said: “The evils we experience flow from the excess of democracy. The people do not want virtue, but are the dupes of pretended patriots.”

    And after the Constitution had been adopted: Alexander Hamilton, in Senate: “It has been observed that a pure democracy, if it were practicable, would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies, in which the people themselves deliberated, never possessed one feature of good government. Their very character was tyranny: their figure deformity.”

    Democracy my ASS.

  • STM

    Geez, here we go again.

    That would be: Democracy in the modern, commonly used sense, the term that is now in common English usage to describe any type of stable, free, liberal, open, free-market society – not the meaning of democracy in the ancient-Greek sense, which is what the founding fathers were talking about.

    Times change and so do words.

    Let’s not split hairs here, Pablo, over the usage of a word that has NOW come to describe a certain type of government. It proves nothing in the debate and ultimately means nothing.

    Even American presidents of the 20th century have come to use the term to describe America as part of that developed world experience.

    That expedient use of a word and the different emphasis it now has should dovetail very nicely with your views on rights and the 9th amendment, and how the constant state of flux in a democratic society keeps that one to the forefront, despite many Americans not understanding why.

    We KNOW the US is a representative republic under a constitution, with the president wielding executive power.

    I also know Australia is a representative constititional monarchy, with the Queen’s representive wielding (far less) executive power.

    They look (very) slightly different in form, but they function near identically.

    And they are both now described as democracies in the modern sense.

  • http://jetsgaypride.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    You’re behind the times there Stan, the Republicans are now insisting that we’re a Republic instead of a Democracy, trying to scare the ignorant into believing that the Democrats are trying to change the country and to call to the NRA and right-wing militias to arms.

    Then we’ll get rid of the word “God” in the pledge of allegance to the flag and change the phrase to “…and to the democracy for which it stands…”

    Glen Beck has been preaching that for weeks and says once Obama changes us to a democracy it’s only a stone’s throw to socialism.

    eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek!

  • STM

    Neither America nor any of the other developed-world countries now described andregarded as democracies are actually real democracies.

    Anyone using this argument is splitting hairs for ideological reasons only. I’ve heard that hoary old “we’re a republic, not a democracy” argument over and over again (and it’s right if you’re talking the ancient Greek sense of democracy), and most often in regard to the 2nd amendment.

    My other favourite right-wing saying in regard to the use of the word (which now has much broader meaning) and how it might pertain to certain rights, especially those involving guns, is that “democracy is two wolves and a sheep arguing over what’s for dinner”.

    I say the American experience is actually the polar opposite: Two sheep and a wolf, with the wolf arguing that the sheep have no right to decide what’s for dinner despite being in the majority and that because the wolf has much sharper teeth, is bigger, louder and meaner, it actually gets to choose.

    The depth of delusion among certain sections of the voting public in America sometimes appears, to (happy) outsiders like me, to have no end.

    I’m advising everyone over there to get out now while the going’s good.

    Just don’t come here :) We’re full already and we’ve got enough mad people of our own.

  • http://jetsgaypride.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    China’s a Republic; maybe that where the Republicans hope we’re going…???

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    America a developed country, Stan? You sure you’re not losing it? The young women there are pretty well developed, but you can say that about most anywhere. Americans and Europeans always struck me as arrogant savages who thought they were civilized (I won’t comment about Aussies or Kiwis).

    To be blunt, any country that does not have any form of socialized medicine can make no claim to being developed (young women notwithstanding). The problem with the Americans is that they have waited until they are broke and completely in debt to the communist Chinese before being willing to seriously consider socialized medicine. America can’t afford it anymore.

    There is only one word for such behavior – stupid. America was a great idea – whose time has come – and gone….

  • STM

    Well, you know what I mean, Ruve …

    As for Aussies and kiwis, we’ll, you’re probably only half right.

    We’re not savages ;)

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Stan,

    I made no comments about Aussies or Kiwis because one of my sons is seriously hooked up to a (kosher) Kiwi, and because in both my experience and my wife’s, the best people we have dealt with came from Oz.

    I leave to you to decide if Aussies are civilized or not, or are savages or not.

  • STM

    Nah, we’re not savages … but I did play a Kiwi rugby league team once that was getting pretty bloody savage.

    Every time you got tackled, you got a smack in the mouth. And every time you got tackled (which wasn’t that often as they seemed to have the ball most of the time), you also nearly got broken in half.

    Tackling them (which seemed like it was aevery 10 seconds over the whole game) was like tackling a tree trunk. One of my mates was a bit concussed I think and came over to ask if he had brain fluid coming out of his ear. When he got tackled, everyone at the ground, every player, every spectator, went: “Ooooh!”

    But he got up and dusted himself off. He’d already worked out it wasn’t blood, although the rest of us were covered in the stuff and had black eyes and fat lips.

    I had a look and told him it was just sweat and that to have brain fluid leaking from your ear, you had to have a brain.

    We still dine out on the story. He’s now my boss, and he has his own story to tell about the time I got tackled INTO the advertising fence by three guys in another game.

    Which brings me to … the Kiwi team was full of Maori and islanders (not only though) and they spent the whole game looking like they wanted to stick us “pakeha” (white folks) in the
    hungi (the traditional Maori underground earthen oven).

    But when the whistle went (and they’d flogged us), they shared their beer and their food in the most hospitable of fashions. I don’t think I bought a drink at all that afternoon and must’ve had about 10 steak sandwiches off the barbecue.

    The jugs of beer from the opposition just kept appearing on the table.

    That’s just how they do it, although itv takes some getting used to when you’re on the receiving end. No wonder the Nazis were terrified of them.

    It’s mud, blood and beer, and what happens on the field stays on the field.

    I like ‘em. They’re good folk across the ditch, although it must be said – a fair few of ‘em live over this side of the little pond.

  • Arch Conservative

    You are aware that Fox News was bankrolled by a FOREIGN national named Rupert Murdoch?”

    Yes and King Barack is funded by a foreign socialist national, George Soros.

    “Do you remember when 60 minutes journalists had to resign for his documentary about Bush ?”

    You mean the story that was based on “fake but accurate” documents Reality? That the one?

    For years CNN, ABC, CBS, NYT and in particuliar MSNBC was hardly anything but objective in covering the Bush administration. Whackadoos like Keith Olbermann was downright hostile.

    Now the shoe is on the other foot and the lefty moonbats don’t like it. Well…..it’s too fucking bad.

    All the nation is not Chicago. Barry won’t get a free pass on everything from a bunch of corrupt politicians and union thugs with a hard on for community organizers.

    Picking a fight with a news network cheapens the office of the white house but then everything Obama does pretty much cheapens the office and this nation.

    So as long as he continues to grow the federal government, spending money we don’t have, the opposition will never stop.

    We will not waste one single opportunity to call him on the things he does to move us closer to European socialism. We won’t chant “hope and change,” we won’t sit down, we won’t be quiet, we won’t stand on the sidelines and passively cater to his every whim. If you have a problem with this that is your problem.

    In the words of BTO, that’s BTO not BHO……”you aint seen nothin yet.”

  • http://www.joannehuspek.wordpress.com Joanne Huspek

    I honestly do not care who owns what in the war on “news.” It’s not news since rarely do the “reporters” give an unbiased report.

    What is most distressing to me is the fact that the administration is finding it fit to wage the War in the first place. It smacks of the Nixon White House and is unsavory and unpresidential.

  • http://jetsgaypride.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Why Joanne? Because you say so or did Rush tell you?

  • Clavos

    You are aware that Fox News was bankrolled by a FOREIGN national named Rupert Murdoch?

    Actually, Fox is owned by Murdoch, not “bankrolled” by him. But as I, and later, STM pointed out, he’s been a US citizen since 1985.

    What really pisses off the lefties, including Obama, is that Fox pulls more prime time audience than all the other cable networks combined, and ironicallly, the WH’s attacks on it have actually increased its share even more.

    Serves ‘em right.

  • STM

    Any administration that picks a fight with any news organisation is getting bad advice.

    I’ve seen it from both sides of the fence … and it’s dumb.

    Two opposing views – even if they’ve become polarised as they appear to have become in the US – is what modern liberal democracy is about.

    If people can’t deal with that, they have no business being in politics.

    As for who you believe: When it comes to opinion in the media, one man’s truth is another’s lie, and vice-versa.

    The sooner we all accept that and move on, the better.

    Nevertheless, straight reporting of news pieces – as opposed to opinion pieces – should be the minimum standard required of any professional journalist.

  • Clavos

    Here’s one reason why Fox has more audience than all the others together. Voter support of the administration is dropping fast.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    Clavos, #34

    Always consider the source, that link is from Fox News.

    Anyone can give themselves good press!

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    I agree with you Christine,

    You had a right to know what was going on in this country during the Bush Administration TOO!

    MSNBC is no worse than this beloved station..

  • Clavos

    Jeannie, the poll was conducted by Opinion Dynamics,an independent polling firm; one of the top such in the country.

    If you had actually read the link, you’d know that…

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    Clavos, This is on the bottom of the link.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. © 2008 FOX News Network, LLC. All rights reserved. All market data delayed 20 minutes.

  • Clavos

    And your point would be?

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    My point being that Fox is advertising a favorable poll. Would they post a negative poll?

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    Bye Clavos, For now…:)

  • Clavos

    Once again, Jeannie:

    Fox didn’t conduct the poll, and it has nothing to do with their ratings, it’s about Obama’s declining support among the voters.

  • Baronius

    Christine, I just noticed the Amazon link. Nice.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Bar, which one?

  • Baronius

    “Foxes”

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    OH, lol!

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    What really pisses off the lefties, including Obama, is that Fox pulls more prime time audience than all the other cable networks combined

    I wonder what proportion of that audience consists of members of gyms owned by rabid right-wingers who insist on having every TV tuned to Fox News and refuse to let their staff change the channel?

    :-)

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    DD, you might want to chew over what is in this article. What my dad told me over forty years ago about the American press being under government control is being admitted as true now. This makes their war on Fox News (worthless as that network is IMO) a lot more scary.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Jeannie, the poll was conducted by Opinion Dynamics,an independent polling firm; one of the top such in the country.

    Nevertheless, Clav, the poll was commissioned by Fox News; would they have trumpeted the results like that if they had been less favorable?

    And besides, aren’t polls so… so unreliable? I seem to remember that’s what we were being told over and over again last fall…

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Ruvy, from your link:

    “President Obama’s presidential campaign focused on “making” the news media cover certain issues while rarely communicating anything to the press unless it was “controlled,” White House Communications Director Anita Dunn disclosed to the Dominican government at a videotaped conference.”

    Why would the Obama campaign have released to the press information that was outside their control?

    You wouldn’t catch Apple quoting a negative review of the iPhone in one of their advertising campaigns either. Come on now.

  • Clavos

    Nevertheless, Clav, the poll was commissioned by Fox News; would they have trumpeted the results like that if they had been less favorable?

    Of course not, Doc, but Jeannie’s original point, which I was addressing was:

    Always consider the source, that link is from Fox News.

    Anyone can give themselves good press

    Who publicizes the poll results doesn’t change them. My original point was simply drawing a correlation between Fox’s rising numbers and Obama’s falling ones.

  • Clavos

    As to the unreliability of polls, Doc, I think all of us, left, right or center agree on that point.

    Now, which ones are “unreliable” seems to hinge on whose ox is getting gored, no?

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I actually disagree that polls are unreliable, but you have to intepret them properly and that generally involves analysing a large number of them.

    The various folks (on the Left and the Right) who did that at the last election – I won’t bore everyone by linking to them again here – actually did a pretty accurate job at predicting the final outcome.

  • Clavos

    I actually disagree that polls are unreliable, but you have to intepret them properly and that generally involves analysing a large number of them.

    Agreed, Doc. As with any statistical data, the larger the sampling, the better the result; thus combining the reults from a number of polls will usually result in much greater accuracy. As you said. ;-)

  • Zedd

    Christine,

    I think what you are missing is that Presidents don’t give interviews to The Globe or the National Inquirer for a reason. Fox is irresponsible and does not deserve to be given the attention of other national outlets. Obama is also not interviewing on E! and you are not concerned about free speech issues or any other badly considered arguments.

    Fox also has to watch their steps. If they want people to interview with you, you have to be reputable and responsible.

  • http://www.thecobraslair.com Cobra

    From Variety:

    “Among ad-supported cable nets, the news nets (along with older-skewing Hallmark Channel, Golf Channel and GSN’s daytime sked) sport the most gray, with Fox News Channel’s daytime and primetime skeds the absolute oldest, clocking in with a median age above 65.”

    I have nothing against our fine senior citizen population, but that’s where the Fox News Audience, on average, is.

    So, without sounding too draconian, this Fox News ratings boom has a shorter shelf-life than the other cable news channels.

    Clavos writes:

    “What really pisses off the lefties, including Obama, is that Fox pulls more prime time audience than all the other cable networks combined, and ironicallly, the WH’s attacks on it have actually increased its share even more.”

    Simply false. Among Cable NEWS networks, you might have an argument on a given week. Among “ALL CABLE NETWORKS?” Not even close:

    1 NFL REGULAR SEASON L (PACKERS/VIKINGS) ESPN MONDAY 8:30 PM 13.2 21,839
    2 MLB DIVISION SERIES (YANKEES-TWINS 3) TBSC SUNDAY 7:00 PM 4.1 6,791
    3 MLB DIVISION SERIES (TWINS-YANKEES 1) TBSC WEDNESDAY 6:00 PM 4.3 6,607
    4 MLB WILDCARD (TIGERS-TWINS) TBSC TUESDAY 5:00 PM 4.2 6,543
    5 MLB DIVISION SERIES (TWINS-YANKEES 2) TBSC FRIDAY 6:00 PM 4.1 6,484
    6 SPORTSCENTER: L ESPN MONDAY 11:56 PM 3.6 5,211
    7 MLB DIVISION SERIES (CARDINALS-DODGERS 2) TBSC THURSDAY 6:19 PM 3.5 5,175
    8 MLB DIVISION SERIES (RED SOX-ANGELS 2) TBSC FRIDAY 10:34 PM 3.3 5,069
    9 MLB DIVISION SERIES (CARDINALS-DODGERS 1) TBSC WEDNESDAY 9:51 PM 3.3 4,973
    10 WWE ENTERTAINMENT (WWE RAW) USA MONDAY 10:00 PM 2.8 4,756
    11 MLB GAME BREAK TBSC THURSDAY 9:23 PM 3.2 4,706
    12 WWE ENTERTAINMENT (WWE RAW) USA MONDAY 9:00 PM 2.9 4,655
    13 WIZARDS OF WAVERLY PLACE DSNY FRIDAY 8:00 PM 2.8 4,604
    14 MONDAY NIGHT COUNTDOWN L ESPN MONDAY 7:00 PM 3.0 4,540
    15 MLB DIVISION SERIES (RED SOX-ANGELS 1) TBSC THURSDAY 9:30 PM 3.0 4,437
    16 NCIS USA WEDNESDAY 8:00 PM 3.0 4,437
    17 MONK USA FRIDAY 9:00 PM 2.8 4,371
    18 MLB DIVISION SERIES (PHILLIES-ROCKIES 3) TBSC SUNDAY 10:40 PM 2.7 4,084
    19 MLB DIVISION SERIES (DODGERS-CARDINALS 3) TBSC SATURDAY 6:00 PM 2.6 4,021
    20 NCIS USA WEDNESDAY 9:00 PM 2.6 3,938
    21 SPONGEBOB NICK SATURDAY 9:30 AM 2.6 3,932
    22 ARMY WIVES LIF SUNDAY 10:00 PM 2.7 3,931
    23 COLL FTBALL-FRI PRIME L (NEBRASKA/MISSOURI) ESPN THURSDAY 8:55 PM 2.4 3,798
    24 SUITE LIFE ON DECK DSNY FRIDAY 8:30 PM 2.4 3,771
    25 THE OREILLY FACTOR FOXNC THURSDAY 8:00 PM 2.5 3,765

    Cable Ratings are DOMINATED by Sports, Women’s Dramas, broadcast show re-runs, Pro Wrestling, Disney Shows and SPONGE-BOB.

    That being said, I don’t have a problem with Fox News firing up the predominantly White oatmeal/shuffleboard demographic for ratings.

    They should just be honest about it, and so should those who carry water for them on this blog.

    –Cobra

  • Zedd

    If they want people to interview with them, they have to maintain some respectability, then they will be seen as reputable.

    You cant just get a bunch of microphones and video cameras, spend money on a TV set or two and demand to be taken seriously, especially by the President of the United States. Its silly don’t you think? There is a reason why Concrite didn’t spew every night. It wasn’t because he was a Liberal, either.

  • Clavos

    So sorry, Cobra as an unabashed carrier of water for all right-wing outlets, I retract my statement. You are quite right, Fox only has more audience than all the “NEWS” cable networks combined.

    Hope I didn’t get any water on you, I’m not THAT racist.

  • Clavos

    You cant just get a bunch of microphones and video cameras, spend money on a TV set or two and demand to be taken seriously…

    You’re right, of course, Zedd, but I think Rupert Murdoch’s chief goal is selling airtime, and at that he’s succeeding admirably.

    I doubt he even cares what Obama thinks of his network.

  • Clavos

    So, without sounding too draconian, this Fox News ratings boom has a shorter shelf-life than the other cable news channels.

    Actually, their future looks brilliant. The largest age cohort in the history of the country is about to enter that 65 and over bracket, and they, too will inevitably vote their self-interest.

    AARP cottoned onto that years ago.

  • Zedd

    Reality TV is also popular while PBS’ audience is dwindling.

    Is there a correlation?

    Idiocy abounds. So???

    Jeannie is your point that the President should interview with whomever has good ratings. Perhaps he should go on Flava of Love or American Idol.

  • Clavos

    Unfortunately for you intellectuals, Zedd, we idiots outnumber you, and we vote.

    Now excuse me, I have to go turn on Fox so I can find out what I should be thinking tomorrow.

  • Zedd

    Clavos,

    I wish for once you’d stop pretending to be stupid.

  • Zedd

    @59 then this article is mute.

    Conclusion: Fox is crap and doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously. They don’t intend to be serious. They just want ratings.

    Why would the most powerful “institution” on our planet participate in that? They wont and they shouldn’t.

    Ergo… the article is pointless. In the same way that Fox News is. A lot of jabber about nothingness. If you have a pea brain, you think that there’s something there and you get fired up but if you look beyond the lazy arguments, you discover that nothing has been said.

  • Clavos

    Oh well…

  • MensaVet

    Clavos IS stupid. He has a high IQ, which makes him glib, so he appears to be smart, but he has an undisciplined, untrained mind, with no real core knowledge. He really doesn’t KNOW anything, but he can articulate his naive opinions with skill. It appears that most of his acquaintance with scholastics comes from the Classix Comix versions of The Cliff Notes.

    It’s probably 20 years since he studied any subject in depth, and he seems to consider the undergrad courses of his youth and a few inflammatory editorials from opinion journals as adequate preparation for the modern world.

    But he’s wrong.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “The largest age cohort in the history of the country is about to enter that 65 and over bracket”

    Don’t kill the messenger, but advertisers don’t care much about that bracket.

    Christine, it would be nice to read an article where you spent less time whining about things like the meanies on MSNBC because the picture presented is always skewed and incomplete.

    Glenn Beck is mentioned but it is baffling how you failed to mention he said, “[Obama] is, I believe, a racist” on FOX News. He didn’t hint at it or beat around the bush. He definitively declared it and the video is still up on YouTube. Do you think that might play a little into Obama and his people not wanting to want to deal with FOX? I don’t remember Kanye West being asked to Bush’s White House after he said “George Bush doesn’t care about black people.”

    Your passion is obvious and you are a good writer, but your lack of balance undercuts your ability to reach more people.

  • Baronius

    this article is moot

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    El, sounds like a backhanded compliment. And I will always take what I can get on BC. I am not sure who I am trying to reach if anyone at all. Just learned about blogging back in March.

    Beck’s comment was pathetic and shook me up. I have only known about him since his show on Fox, not a fan of radio broadcasts. Even though I watch his show and like how he uncovers dirt, it is hard to look at him the same and I do wish he would apologize for that. I did place a video in my new article where Terry McAuliffe points that out about Beck. Should of quoted it..but it is there. I’m sure Beck has a lot to do with their strategy, however, it is kind of lame and immature. Don’t you think?

    This whole thing reminds me of a bad breakup with both parties at each other! Drama, drama, drama…but then again our society is addicted to drama. How sad, with so much else we could be doing, like curing world hunger! Seriously…like loving our children and animals, or helping our friends…you get my point.

  • Zedd

    MOOT would elevate it to at least some possible academic relevance but no practical usefulness. It is MUTE in that nothing has been said.

  • Clavos

    @#66:

    Wish you hadn’t outed me. One or two people on here didn’t yet realize how stupid I am.

    ALL of me is undisciplined and untrained, not just my mind — that’s why I’m a salesman; anyone can get rich selling.

    My IQ (and I do know what mine is) apparently isn’t as high as yours, or at least I can’t go around bragging about my Mensa membership.

    But then, I’m not a joiner, so I never tried to become a Mensist…Mentist? Menser?…whatever.

    As far as my acquaintance with “scholastics” (whatever the hell they are) is concerned, I have a rather low opinion of them thar profs and pointy-headed ivory tower types, so I reckon yer right, I ain’t got much use fer ‘em.

  • Arch Conservative

    Blah blah blah

    Which party is about to win both the NJ and VA governors’ elections?

    Nuff said.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    #72
    Wopty-ding!

  • zingzing

    ruvy: “What my dad told me over forty years ago about the American press being under government control is being admitted as true now. This makes their war on Fox News (worthless as that network is IMO) a lot more scary.”

    so the u.s. gov’t controls the media… and the gov’t is going to war with something that they control… there’s a logical leap i’m not making here. how is it that fox news is under government control? and why do cable news networks keep the same general opinion as political power shifts? wouldn’t they…

    sigh. no offense to your dad, but this is stupid.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    @ #72:

    Uh-oh, Archie is making election predictions again.

    Place your bets…

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    if arch’s is picking, i’ll take the don’t pass line

  • http://delibernation.com/blog/3 Silas Kain

    What I find amusing is that there’s such a fuss of the White House commentary of FOX nonNews. I almost feel that Mr. Obama and his Administration is collectively insulting our intelligence. The problem is that we’re dumb. Let’s take a serious look at major broadcast news media here in the glorious United States beginning with FOX. They’re owned by Murdoch, the king of Pop and owner of a major movie studio. ABC is owned by Disney, run by a bunch of self loathing closeted homosexuals as well as major movie studios. CBS is owned by Viacom, another Sumner Redstone enterprise, also owner of major movie studios. CNN, the dying cable news pioneer, owned by Time Warner and Daffy Duck. Last, but not least, is NBC owned by General Electric which also owns major movie studios (Universal).

    We don’t get news in the United States, we get infotainment. And, as a result, we get a screwed up, uneducated and uninformed society. We need a realignment of regulation including broadcast media. One thing the Nixon Administration got right was the breakup of the Bell System. I’m leaning more to the side of those who believe no conglomerate should be allowed to get so large that its demise could cripple the economy. While those on the Left lament that the pundits at FOX News are a bunch of liars, those on the Right are equally correct in their assertions against MSNBC.

    And, speaking of the economy, let’s look at FBC and CNBC. Rupert has his hands deep in the pockets of Wall Street with the WSJ and his Fox faux Business Channel. Meanwhile, over at CNBC, we have Cramer and his buddies ultimately working for GE. Think about it. A handful of companies reach out even faint tentacles into every facet of our lives.

    So, I guess I’ll go bake a batch of Betty Crocker brownies in my As Seen on TV preformed Brownie pan in my GE oven. While they’re baking I’ll do up some eggs in my Egg Genie. When they’re cooled, I’ll make deviled eggs out of them and arrange them in my Tupperware egg dish. I’ll make some sliders in my Slider Maker and top them with crispy bacon from my easy microwave bacon cooker. Then I’ll wrap myself up in my Snuggie with a cup of instant Starbucks coffee and my snacks in front of the TV so I can watch an interview with Levi Johnston and how he’s become America’s new gay icon. Oy.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Actually, well put Silas.

  • http://delibernation.com/blog/3 Silas Kain

    We haven’t a clue as to what the concept of freedom really means in this age of infotainment. I surrender. To quote a famous line from Boys in the Band:

    “Give me Librium, or give me death.”