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What Will Conservative Pundits Say When Obama Closes the Deal?

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The primaries are over and Barack Obama has won and accepted his party’s nomination. But you wouldn’t know that by the months of canned advice from the right. The McLaughlin Groups right lineup included the ubiquitous Pat Buchanan, the smart blonde Monica Crowley, and on the left, Eleanor Clift and Derek McGinty. Among the topics: The Bradley effect, presidential polling and NASA. Kennedy got credit for creating NASA from nada; Bush and Barack also spoke about NASA's future this week.

I believe it was Pat Buchanan who started: “Why hasn’t Obama closed the deal?” I wondered aloud why Pat hadn't closed his mouth. Buchanan is no Neocon.  He’s an old con with a long record of fear mongering. While he has no criminal record (that we know of), his take on politics is sometimes downright criminal. So if you’ve tired of pundit Pat you're not alone. Here’s a man who makes himself at home in the most unlikely of places, including the ratings goldmine, the new Rachel Maddow Show—a fresh face who presents political satire sans snark.

It’s not that he is tiring—it’s his tired old idiom “Why can’t Obama close the deal?”  Millions of Americans have seen past this hackneyed line and Obama supporters simply were not fazed by it. But it fazed the pundits, who repeated it nonstop. This idiom was fresh because of Obama’s low-flying post-Denver-convention bounce. Obama has bounced back. From June onwards, he has been in a dead heat according to all polls, both national and statewide. And in some state polls (red states) he has lagged far behind. But according to Pat and company, he had no business being so far behind. They sought to explain it away; enter the Bradley Effect.

The Bradley Effect is a racial meme begun in California after Mayor Tom Bradley lost the California governor’s race, even though he was polling double digits ahead of his opponent. This was the meme du jour, applied like actor’s pancake makeup to the Obama campaign; he’s black, and white people will lie to the pollsters to avoid appearing racist. It was only after the MSM properly bandied about the Bradley effect that it appears now, drum roll, it has been reversed.  Or better, it never existed. Yes, there is a reverse-Bradley effect –  who knew? The conservatives among the McLaughlin group agree—the Bradley effect never existed then and does not exist now.

We tried reading what those pundits had to say when Obama was trailing in the polls – erratic at best. But I wanted to know what conservatives would sing when Obama closed the deal. No problem, Buchanan et al have cut a new single, “The media has gone into the tank [for Obama], as I’ve never seen it before.” Pat makes a good case: given the big money, MSM fawning, populist hoopla and branding of Barack, he should be running away with the pollsters to the tune of 55%.

 

September horribilus

If the MSM is in the tank for Obama, that message has been tempered by the fact that it took months for him to shatter the coveted 50% ceiling. When exactly did he break that tie? According to the poll of polls, somewhere around the first of October. The first week in October, as everyone knows, was merely two weeks after Henry Paulson penned the 3-page bailout bill. On the Achilles' heel of his proposal—September horribilus and a market-meltdown fever not seen since the Great Depression, gripped the nation.  The market and bailout debacle led to a national chorus of “It’s the economy, stupid.” And with the sinking of the stock market, so, too, fell McCain's political fortunes–look out below!

 

Pat panic: the fat lady sings

The “Obama has not closed the deal” idiom is on life support. It has pulled up to the last stop on the tracks. Who better to pull the cord and get off the red line than the man who started it; Here’s Pat in his own words on this weekend’s McLaughlin Group, “Obama is ahead in the money, enthusiasm, ground troops, the air game and advertising, ahead in the polls (did you say polls?), ahead in temperament, ahead in state-by-state polls.”  He continued the truth parade with this little sentence: ”[I]t is really an uphill grind for McCain to win…he has to pick up every single toss-up state.” Ouch.

Obama's new poll numbers are alarming Republicans.  The GOP bosses are worried that McCain will not only dismantle the Grand Old Party, but that he just might lose the state of Arizona in the deal.

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  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    Hel,

    While the numbers look really good, I will not be assured of anything until it’s a done deal – until it’s announced that Obama has secured the magic number: 270 electoral votes.

    Pat Buchanan is irritating, but relatively harmless. I find an evening watching MSNBC more entertaining than about anything the networks have to offer in prime time. Both Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann have their own irritating ways – Matthews tends to prattle on while not allowing his guests to actually answer his questions. Olbermann’s head is big both physically and metaphorically. His “special comments” tend to be over-wrought and sanctimonious, but overall his show is fun. Maddow’s show is pretty much a delight. She has a charm about her that even those from the right seem pleased to be there. A good time is had by all.

    B

  • http://www.thepolitikos.com Heloise

    What’s with the Hel? When I was Netemara I got called Net. That stuck. Anyway “closing the deal” does not refer to winning the election it refers to polling above 50% and being in the lead. I am not taking any cheap shots on the election. It is not UP for grabs, we still have to vote. But Barack has closed the deal…exactly.

    Heloise

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    Well HELoise, Obama polling 50% is comforting, but no deal is closed until he is refered to as “President Elect Obama” Polls don’t mean a hell of a lot. The only things that count are votes, and then electoral votes.

    Will there be a “Bradley Effect” or “Bubba Factor?” Maybe, maybe not. The question now is: Are the polls to be believed? Recent history would suggest that polling has some distance to go before they are truly reliable. I’m not convinced that they will cover that distance any time soon.

    B

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/dan_miller Dan(Miller)

    It’s going to be an interesting election. I agree with Baritone that the polls are not highly reliable. Here is a link to a disclosure by Rasmussen on how it weights polling results. My understanding is that most other polls do much the same thing.

    If the election turns out to be inconsistent with the polls, it probably won’t have much to do with the “Bradley effect,” voter fraud, or the other claims which will doubtless be made.

    Dan(Miller)

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    Dan,

    Don’t know if I agree with you on that last comment. While presidential polls have not gone well during the past 2 elections, it does seem that polling in other races, congressional, gubernatorial, etc. have tended to be reasonably accurate in recent years.

    Should Obama lose, it’s hard to believe that McCain would be the majority choice to handle the economy and the rest without other factors at play. I believe that if Obama somehow had similar charisma, but was white, he would likely be polling much higher than he is.

    B

  • Clavos

    I’m beginning to hope that McCain DOESN’T win, just because I don’t want to have to listen to pissed-off lefties rend their hair and gnash their teeth about what racists we all are for the next 4-8 years. They’re all already setting the stage.

    “Oh the whining! The whining!”

  • DL13

    The Seduction Is Working:
    Ah yes, Obama and the Democrats and their well planned game of seduction; with nice, background music being played by Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd, the Acorns, and the Main Stream Media, and fine, vintage wine (OK, actually it was really Kool-Aide), they broke down the resistance of the virgin in the wilderness so they could, by dis-honorable means, take from her what she cherished most, her sense of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

  • pablo

    The only whining I see around here Clavy, is the whining of the republican pundits crying about how awful its gonna be when the Dems control the executive and legislative branches. It almost makes me want to shed a tear (not really).

    How soon we forget that the republicans owned all three branches for several years. We got the unpatriotic Patriot Act, we got the Military (bye bye habeas corpus) Commissions Act, we got legalized torture of human beings, we got the unitary (I am dictator) executive, then there is the US ID (your papers please)Act. Oh and dont forget how bush has castrated the congress from its duty to the people to investigate by denying subpoena power of the legislature.

    So yeah I am all tears Clavy. Too bad most of the democrats are in the same back pocket as the republicans, otherwise I would be kickin my heels in glee.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Clav, there are more reasons than that to secretly hope that Obama wins next week. Nothing will galvanize the GOP into getting its shit together like a few years of total democrat domination, and the GOP really needs to get its shit together. An asskicking from Obama might be what it takes to separate the religious right from the sane part of the party and get things back on track.

    Dave

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Two comments: The mainstream media has been kicking up a lot of shit because they WANT this race to be closer than it is because otherwise it just isn’t fun to cover….. A landslide isn’t good for ratings.

    And, I think race plays and will play less of a factor if Obama doesn’t win than all the Republican purging of voter rolls and trying their nasty tricks once again like they did in the last election. Already they are trying (and some say have already succeeded) to steal once again this election in close states like Jeb Bush did with voter rolls in Florida….

    It IS legal for former felons to vote in 46 out of 50 states, BTW. Poor people are more often disenfranchised and poor people more often vote democratic.

    Go to to download a free comic book by Gregg Palast that shows you can steal back your vote!

    And clearly the Republicans are a mess….. They are two parties: the party of nutcases who support Sarah Palin and the party of moderates who have been driven away and often support Obama. They DO need to get their act together. This race has completely divided them and they don’t know what to do.

  • http://marksaleski.com Mark Saleski

    …might be what it takes to separate the religious right from the sane part of the party…

    so would it have been such a bad thing for mccain to have picked somebody more moderate for veep? i always read that having somebody like rice or hutchinson on the ticket would have been the kiss of death.

  • http://www.thepolitikos.com Heloise

    Yes, our future was stolen by futures markets.

    Today, Oil is in the tank to the tune of 60.00 a barrel in trading per Reuters.

    Remember talk about futures and how the market had fucked up everything. And folks in DC were saying we were crazy for suggesting it was the saintly stock markets.

    And that nothing wrong with the stink market? Once again bloggers and great economists were right…it was the greedy fat cats on Wall Street and their freakin’ derviatives and futures. It scared me stockless, but kept a few because they were too low to sell and I didn’t need the dollars.

    Heloise

  • http://www.thepolitikos.com Heloise

    B not true. That is not what the term means. It is not contingent on who actually wins. Because one can close the deal and still have it fall through. Are you at all familiar with business? It’s the same deal. People sign contracts and close the deal only to get a call, like an actor recently and was told another actor got the job.

    Heloise

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    For the Republicans this time around the problem starts with McCain. Since the party has been fractured into at least 3 camps – the relgious right, the neo-cons and the traditional fiscal conservatives, there was no candidate who adequately reflected all 3.

    McCain’s status as a “maverick” further sent waves of doubt through the party faithful. What faction would he betray first?

    Should McCain lose, Palin may be seen as the final nail in the coffin. While she initially thrilled everybody, her lack of experience on the national stage and her lack of any depth of knowledge regarding world politics quickly became evident. McCain’s judgment is put much into question by having gone with Palin over any number of more experienced men and women in the party.

    I still won’t count McCain out. As we’ve noted here and elsewhere, polls have proven to be wrong in the recent past. It is not known if the ‘Bubba Factor” will raise up its ugly head. With 8 days remaining, anything could happen.

    B

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Mark, Lisa is wrong about the GOP being two parties. There are really three factions:

    A. Fiscally conservative and socially moderate/liberal
    B. Fiscally moderate/liberal and socially conservative
    C. Fiscally conservative and socially conservative

    Hutchison, Rice and McCain both fit somewhere between group A and group B.
    Palin fits in group C.

    So Hutchinson and Rice would be right out because they’re too close politically to McCain. He needs someone who appeals to group C, and Palin fits that bill.

    The theory is that McCain himself ought to appeal to liberals, while Palin ought to be ignored by liberals as being only the VP and being inherently more moderate because she’s a woman, yet be embraced by the social conservatives who McCain doesn’t appeal to.

    The problem is that Palin is too dynamic and a larger-than-life figure, so she can’t be minimized easily to placate the left.

    McCain picking someone like Hutchison probably would have been good for the party by driving the theocons away, but it also would have guaranteed a loss in the election, because more and more of the extremists are gravitating towards candidates like Chuck Baldwin – our own Archie being an example of this – and McCain didn’t think he could win on moderates and independents alone.

    Dave

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Oh, face it, Dave, you guys are just a mess. I don’t think you can even begin to unite into one party again at this point, do you?

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    Lisa,

    Granted that the Republicans are in a state of disarray which they largely brought on themselves allowing the neocons to wedge themselves into positions of power within the party, and then their blatant wooing of the fundies in 2000 and 2004 – the only way to get Bush into the WH.

    I’m not sure they will be able to rid themselves of either of these elements in the forseeable future. The neocons are entrenched and the fundies have found a home. Which of the factions will ultimately prevail, if any, is anybody’s guess.

    But, just look across the aisle. The Democrats have long been a conglomeration of various factions – some at odds with each other. Just consider the defection of the so called Reagan Democrats. Few have ever accused the Democrats of being overly organized or focussed (with now, the possible exception of the Obama campaign.)

    The Democrats are nothing if not essentially a coalition of factions who have found enough common ground to remain under one flag as it were. This coalition is a difficult balancing act that sometimes doesn’t know how to stay on the rope or avoid getting in their own way.

    That is largely why since FDR, the Republicans have prevailed in the national arena more often than the Democrats. The Republicans, though smaller in number, have succeeded by being more galvanized, more concentrated in focus and singular in purpose.

    Now, though, they are experiencing what the Dems have dealt with for years. They just don’t know how to handle it. That’s why you have people like Dave who are adamant that the fundies be expunged from the party rolls. They don’t have much experience in dealing with different factions within the party, and they want them gone – kind of like the Serbs trying to achieve ethnic purity in the Balkins.

    However, given time, the GOP may well find a way to reconcile all the relatively new ingredients that now make up the party into a more cohesive coalition as have the Dems. Obviously, I hope not. I’d like to see them tear themselves up with internal squabbling for several years to come.

    But hell, I’m 62 years old. After 2 or 3 more election cycles, I’ll probably be a mindless mass of protoplasm being fed my dinner out of a blender or through a tube in my gut, aware only of the festering bed sores on my butt. By then, I won’t give a rat’s ass who is pulling the strings in Washington.

    B

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Oh, Baritone, at 62, I think you have more than 2 or 3 more election cycles in you before you become a mindless mass of protoplasm. As for me, before I reach that point, there is always a bottle of pills and a plastic bag. My husband, being a man, prefers a shotgun in the woods (he refuses to mess up the houses, a sentiment of which of heartily approve!).

    I agree, though, that I hope they squabble and quibble, and fight like cats and dogs for years to come!!!!!

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Dave, I would have thought the last thing you’d want would be the division of the GOP, because that would be the one thing to guarantee Democratic administrations for at least the next couple of decades.

    You also take it as a given that the theocons would be the ones to up and leave. In fact, if McCain the moderate loses, he and those politically aligned with him will more likely be the ones to get the blame and the boot.

    Look at what happened when Teddy Roosevelt ran as a Progressive in 1912 and took most of the moderate Republicans with him. The GOP survived that schism, but was dominated by conservatives for the next 20 years until the other Roosevelt flattened them.

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    Lisa,

    Yeah, but even out in the woods, that’s a messy proposition. One should consider the feelings of whoever might discover the aftermath. Pretty grisly.

    Hemingway’s last wife, Mary got a pretty horrific jolt in finding her hubby’s brains spattered on the foyer wall and his head little more than a stub. That’s a hell of a thing to wake up to. It would have been nice had he taken it outside, though. :)

    B

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    It doesn’t really matter who leaves, the point is that the party would split into two separate parties.

    And the reason I want the division is that I think the country would be governed better if a viable third party put Congress into a situation where it had to govern by consensus and compromise.

    If the split I suggest were to happen, it would not leave the Democrats in control, either. If anything it would weaken them.

    You’d end up with a small Christian Conservative party representing maybe 20-25% of the population. Then your remaining Republicans would form a party of about the same size, but with the religious right out of that party it would become attractive to moderate Democrats and independents and it would grow at the expense of the Democrats.

    So while the Democrats would remain the largest party with maybe 40% of the seats in Congress, they would be unable to get anything done without making deals with members of the other two parties or the two former Republican parties could join up against the Democrats on certain key issues where they shared common ground.

    I think a lot more and a lot better work would get done in Congress on this basis.

    The problem with your Roosevelt scenario is that the progressives got absorbed into the Democratic party. I don’t see that happening in the current environment. The non-theocratic Republicans are too strongly opposed to socialism and to the Democrats as a party to join up with them and they aren’t held together by allegiance to a single charismatic figure like Roosevelt, which makes them stronger.

    Dave

  • Clavos

    There well may be enough disaffected people in the Rep party to split off altogether and form a serious third party, a development I think would be very healthy for the political system of the country.

    The two main parties have dominated for too long, and two parties do not offer enough options for our increasingly diverse population.

    Something closer to the European multi-party systems,where any one party dominating is much more of a rarity, would be a lot healthier for the country as a whole.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Baritone, I don’t necessarily want the fundies gone. I just don’t want them in a position where they can put their moralistic agenda ahead of individual liberty and fiscal conservatism.

    There are a surprising number of fundamentalist christians who I’ve run into recently who do seem to understand that there needs to be a dividing line between religion and politics. Any of them who understand that concept are welcome to hang out in my new GOP.

    As for the Neocons, if the GOP does break down you can look forward to them returning to the Democratic party. In fact I bet some of them will find their way into an Obama administration almost immediately. His foreign policy ideas and theirs don’t seem all that far apart and the neocons will go where the power is.

    Dave

  • troll

    Clavos – I don’t see how any serious 3rd party can develop under our ‘winner take all’ system

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    True, the Neocons are nothing if not opportunists. The question remains – who will actually sit in the cat bird seat in the Republican party after this election – regardless of who wins? It’s hard to say just what factions of the Party a McCain presidency would cater to. In the campaign, McCain is trying to be all things to all people, but that’s not necessarily how he will run his administration.

    The fundies appear to be in a weakened position at present, but to count them out could well be premature. They are doggedly determined to gain control of government. The structure and prominance provided by the Republican Party give them a tested and sturdy launching pad. They may flex their collective muscles and refuse to leave forcing your old line fiscal conservatives to set up new digs. That may take some time for any kind of majority to wrap their heads around the viability of any third party. The Republican/Democrat “brands” are all most people know. Substantive change often comes hard and slow.

    B

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    The conservative Christians and their bizarre agenda which puts religion into politics has got to GO. I am all for a multi party system like Europe, actually, and have been for some long time.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    ooops, HAVE got to go:)

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    True, the Neocons are nothing if not opportunists. The question remains – who will actually sit in the cat bird seat in the Republican party after this election – regardless of who wins? It’s hard to say just what factions of the Party a McCain presidency would cater to. In the campaign, McCain is trying to be all things to all people, but that’s not necessarily how he will run his administration.

    The dominant theory on a McCain presidency is that he has alienated so many people that if he won he would need to reach out to all sorts of groups to fill his appointments, including libertarian-oriented Republicans and probably some democrats. It might be interesting.

    The fundies appear to be in a weakened position at present, but to count them out could well be premature. They are doggedly determined to gain control of government.

    I’d really rather see the GOP broken and destroyed than see it come fully under their sway and become a platform for giving them more power than they already have.

    The structure and prominance provided by the Republican Party give them a tested and sturdy launching pad. They may flex their collective muscles and refuse to leave forcing your old line fiscal conservatives to set up new digs. That may take some time for any kind of majority to wrap their heads around the viability of any third party. The Republican/Democrat “brands” are all most people know. Substantive change often comes hard and slow.

    I can imagine the tussle over the name ‘republican’ in such a circumstance. We might end up with two republican parties, perhaps a Federal Republican Party and a Christian Republican Party.

    Dave

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I’m a supporter of the third party in British politics, the Liberal Democrats.

    I began leaning towards them because while I felt that both the largest parties had some good ideas, I didn’t like what the Conservatives had become in the later Thatcher years and under Major, and wasn’t about to support Labour, who despite some desperate regrouping and moderation after being pounded into near-oblivion in three successive elections, still harbored worrying socialist tendencies*.

    The existence of the Lib Dems, in the center, meant I didn’t have to compromise my political beliefs. Under our first-past-the-post system the party has no chance of ever forming a government, but it has a large enough presence in Parliament and in the country as a whole to act as an effective check on the worst excesses of Labour and the Tories.

    It also allows me to say, no matter who the government of the day is, “Don’t blame me – I didn’t vote for the idiots!”

    * Not the least of which was its leader, Neil Kinnock. I still remember listening to his acceptance speech on the radio after he was elected Labour leader, and his jubilant insistence that socialism was “the only way”.

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Doc, it wasn’t that long ago that the Libs were in power and Labour was nothing. Never is a long time in politics! What we need in the UK to further weaken the two party system is proportional representation and maybe that is something the USA should consider too.

    There was never any chance of Kinnock having the top job – and maybe he wasn’t meant too. Despite all the dry policy wonking of some, politics is also an emotional affair and Kinnock was more of a healer than a dealer, unlike, say, Blair.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Chris, the last Liberal prime minister, David Lloyd George, left office in 1922. That’s a pretty damn long time ago – and before World War Two changed the political climate in Britain forever.

    Furthermore, Labour held 57 seats in that parliament and, because of the grand coalition which Lloyd George formed, they were the official Opposition. Hardly ‘nothing’.

    I agree with you about PR but it’ll probably never happen, either at home or here in the U of S of A. In the meantime, the present system (in the UK, at any rate) at least guarantees stable government most of the time.

    You forget that Kinnock almost did become prime minister, in 1992. Labour was leading in most of the polls right up until election day, when Major and the Tories pulled off that implausible victory.

    (BTW, Chris, take a gander at the photo of Lloyd George on his Wikipedia entry. Don’t you think he looks like Mr Mackay from Porridge?)

  • Baronius

    Oh, good. Another article about race. Wasn’t Obama supposed to transcend race? Then why does race come up in every conversation these days?

  • Lee Richards

    Palin is speaking in 30 minutes about three blocks from my house. I just drove by the area and the parking lots are crammed with cars, tour buses, shuttle buses, and people walking from nearby neighborhoods.

    She’ll probably get 12,000-15,000 people, about what Obama got a couple of weeks ago in this area.

    The GOP ridiculed Obama for months for being a celebrity “rock star”, and then McCain decided he needed one, too, on his ticket.

    Why does she draw such enthusiastic crowds? It can’t be the depth of her knowledge or the brilliance and eloquence of her arguments. I think it’s because she’s so good at pouring more salt in the imagined wounds of far-right conservatives who are agonized over the likelihood of losing and being governed by those liberals from hell they despise and fear.

    The more pain she can get them to feel about it, the more they love her.

    She tells them they’re the real Americans and if they believe in God, the troops, and low taxes everything will be OK someday. She simplifies, attacks and divides and that’s what her base wants to hear.

    She’s the one who burns all the fields and blows up all the bridges for them, leading the guerillas and giving hope for the future against the hated winners.

    BTW, being a battleground state(VA)for a change has been interesting. We’ve had Obama, Biden, Bill Clinton and now Palin here locally, and a senatorial candidate held a small rally at the end of my street.

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    You must live close. I was supposed to cover that rally for HuffPo but had to bow out as I am being trained and sworn in shortly to work the polls here. I was interested to go for curiosity’s sake. I covered Obama and Webb for the site when they were in Roanoke. It was a gas to be that close… The event was the most spectacularly well organized thing I have ever been to and despite the crowds moved beautifully and with no incident. I was very interested in seeing how this event went–especially with tickets.

    My daughter and a bunch of friends are cutting school (with my blessing) to see Obama at JMU in Harrisonburg tomorrow afternoon. They are totally juiced.

  • http://www.thepolitikos.com Heloise

    Obama’s “One Week” closing-argument speech

    I early voted today at a local university. Another teacher told me that she early voted on Sunday here in Texas. I didn’t even think one could vote on Sunday. I voted early but still plan to go by my regular place to vote again on the 4th–just kidding. But want to see if they have big crowds.

    H

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    My wife and I went to the Obama rally here in Indy last Thursday before he flew to Hawaii. It was a comfortably cool day. An estimated 35000 people crowded into Indy’s American Legion Mall (the same place he appeared last June.) As we have canvassed for McCain, and I am going to work the entire day at the polls, we got a couple of those little blue tickets which allowed us to get pretty close.

    He gave us his tried and true stump speech, not much that was new or different, but it was still an enjoyable morning. I got a bunch of good pics and had some good conversation with a couple of others in the crowd.

    We encountered a family that had driven down from Chicago with their two kids to attend the rally. One place Obama feels pretty comfortable with is his ability to carry Illinois – or Chicago at least.

    Pretty much everyone we encountered was pleasant and excited to be there except for one woman who walked by us after the speech was over, scowled at me and spat out “Obama Bin Laden!” as she passed. I had her shot. Otherwise, a good time was had by all.

    BTW – It takes anywhere from 1 to 2 minutes for a preview to come up and at least as long to publish. Could that be a problem with my computer, or is it a problem at BC? Anyone know?

    B

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Baritone, the lag is just a temporary thing, something to do with servers and databases and stuff. All should be back to normal in a day or four.

  • Lee Richards

    #34:

    Lisa, the last I heard Palin was going to be 2 hours late.

    Obama gets some credit for going to Harrisonburg, where there are virtually no Democrats except at JMU.

  • http://www.thepolitikos.com Heloise

    Hmm, Sarah Palin is bringing out the redneck revival: a woman yelled out “He’s [Obama] a nigger!” Palin heard it (Des Moines, Iowa) and kept right on talking about how Obama and black people will tear down the work ethic fabric of our country.

    I think this is something for whites to deal with and not blacks. Whites on daily kos are rightly upset with Palin’s reaction. Black people expect this sort of thing to happen.

    I learned a long time ago while sitting in an airport in Germany when all the white people moved away when I sat down to await my flight. They moved to one side and the Indians came and sat around me and we talked for hours and laughed.

    It dawned on me, total epiphany…let em have their hate if it makes them feel good!

    Heloise

  • Mooja

    Heloise, I just listened to Gov Palin’s Des Moines speech on Youtube. Could you point me to the part where she “kept right on talking about how Obama and black people will tear down the work ethic fabric of our country”? I didn’t hear her mention anything about black people. Was it a different part of the speech? Could you point me to a reference to what she said regarding black people?

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    I can’t imagine living with that kind of hate. We now have the spectre of the genius Tennessee skin heads who planned to kill 88 blacks including Obama. I hardly think they had the brains, the wherewithal or even the balls to pull it off, but that such plots are being hatched at all, while no big surprise, is still disturbing.

    Back in the 1930s and 40s people couldn’t believe that the holacaust was taking place. We still find it difficult to get our minds around the 10 or so million people killed on orders from Stalin, or the perhaps 30 to 40 million people killed under Chairman Mao’s benevolent rule. By comparison, Pol Pot was a piker.

    I’m not suggesting that what is now brewing in the U.S. is a first step to mass murder or genocide. However, most of us want to believe that if not as a species, then at least perhaps as a nation, we have grown beyond such ignorance and hatred. Unfortunately, in our heart of hearts we know all too well that we haven’t.

    When someone can stand up in public and say for all to hear that Obama is a nigger, obviously feeling that such a pronouncement will be accepted by at least a small number of people around her, that is a clear sign we have a ways to go.

    The U.S. is far different now with respect to racial issues than it was even a few years ago. It is a world away from what it was 50 to 60 years ago. Yet, old hatreds, prejudices and fear die hard. The emnity that exists between blacks and whites in this hemisphere started shortly after 1492 with good ole Chris Columbus as the first slave trader. The conflicts between Sunnis and Shiites, between Christians and Muslims in the former Balkin countries, even that between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland go back many hundreds, perhaps a thousand years or more. Yet they have not run their course. The Irish Catholics and Protestants may have put aside their bitter squabbles for the time being, but it is difficult to say whether they have actually buried the hatchet. Only time will tell.

    Certainly, life is better for many blacks in the U.S. than at any time in the past. But there is still a lot of hatred out there. It should be noted that a number of blacks still retain their own brand of racial hatred as well, justly or not as the case may be.

    It almost goes without saying that if Obama does in fact win next Tuesday, there will be, for the next 4 to 8 years an underlying unease concerning his and his family’s safety. That unease is always present for any president. It just may be more palpable, more intense for Obama. And it will not end with his term in office. He will always be a target. Should Obama eventually pass on when he’s 92 of a stroke or heart attack, it might be considered a minor miracle.

    B

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Hmm, Sarah Palin is bringing out the redneck revival: a woman yelled out “He’s [Obama] a nigger!” Palin heard it (Des Moines, Iowa) and kept right on talking about how Obama and black people will tear down the work ethic fabric of our country.

    First off, what the person in the crowd shouted doesn’t sound anything like what you claim, and second she said not one work about ‘black people’ – though you’re right that Obama’s programs will destroy the work ethic.

    Dave

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    That’s right Dave; one guy’s 4 to 8 years in the top admin job in the USA is going to absolutely destroy the work ethic of hundreds of millions of people…

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    Well, Lee, they are flocking in from everywhere else to see him! He will get a crowd for sure even in the still red-ish Valley:)

    I am glad I didn’t go cover Palin (had to be trained to work the polls so had to pass) as I would have been pissed as hell to wait two hours for her….)

  • http://marksaleski.com Mark Saleski

    though you’re right that Obama’s programs will destroy the work ethic.

    i’m particularly looking forward to the government-sponsored legal defense fund for gay welfare cheats.

    woo!

  • Lisa Solod Warren

    black, gay, wheelchair-bound, welfare cheats with five kids whose parents and grandparents were also on welfare and all of whom are former felons. It would help, too, if they were artists of some kind.

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    Yes Lisa, that’s important. And remember every welfare check written and cashed is that much less left to pay Halliburton for doing their great work, or to pay a Sunni insurgent not to kill Shiites.

    B

  • Lee Richards

    Dave says, “…Obama’s programs WILL destroy the work ethic”(emphasis added.)

    He doesn’t understand–or doesn’t care–that an absolute such as “will”, “always”, “never”, etc. when expressed as an opinion, makes the opinion unsupportable without some modification, since few if any human value judgments are absolutely true or false in all ways.

    Or maybe it’s different for prophets who can absolutely foretell the future, as he believes he can.

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    Dave echos the right wing mantra that any and all government assistance: ie – welfare, social security, medicare, and other social programs, are the scourge that is destroying the country. The fact is that the right cares little or not at all for those struggling to survive. To them it’s all about survival of the fittest. (I would call it Darwinist, except that Darwin didn’t coin that phrase.) It is an age old position that is convenient for the “haves” and not so much for the “have nots.”

    B

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    It is an age old position that is convenient for the “haves” and not so much for the “have nots.”

    Another frequent mantra of the “haves”, which is useful for salving any throbbings of conscience they may have, is “if I can do it, so can you”.

    Right. And Usain Bolt can run 100 metres in about a millisecond. I could train for 20 years and never emulate that.

    The fact that some people through talent or given advantage are able to cause large quantities of wonga to move in their direction does not mean everyone has that ability.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I just noticed that book, The Real McCain, which is the Amazon link at the top of the article. In that picture it looks as if McCain is crying on Bush’s shoulder. Perhaps he was visited by an angel one night and was granted a vision of the election results. Bush, meanwhile, seems to be frantically waving for help. Maybe he’s wondering if he really has to stay in the White House until January or can he just go home now.

  • Cindy D

    LOL @ Dr.D,

    That is a hilarious interpretation of that book cover.

    By the way RE# 50, some people say talent is mostly inherited.

  • bliffle

    It’s the trickle down theory all over again. The Banana Republicans started by granting so much money and privilege to The Top People that after they were fully corrupted the remains of the corruption trickle down and kill the work ethic of the lowest people. If there’s any corruption left, that is. But one might suspect the the Top People will have used it all up, just like everything else.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “a fresh face who presents political satire sans snark.”

    Maddow has been snarky plenty of times.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Dave echos the right wing mantra that any and all government assistance: ie – welfare, social security, medicare, and other social programs, are the scourge that is destroying the country. The fact is that the right cares little or not at all for those struggling to survive.

    I don’t think you can find anything I’ve written of any substance which supports this position. I don’t oppose programs to help out those who genuinely need it. Hell, we’re all struggling to survive to some extent. But I do think that we should try to help them support themselves rather than just hand out money. Welfare should be a path to self-sufficiency, not a lifestyle.

    Dave

  • Condor

    “Why hasn’t Obama closed the deal?” I wondered aloud why Pat hadn’t closed his mouth. Buchanan is no Neocon. He’s an old con with a long record of fear mongering”

    Taking all sources of information (keyword all) to get a full picture of any subject is probably a good idea. I always thought of Bucky as a sort of snarling watch dog. Sure, he gets a little wacky at times, but to dismiss his pointed analysis as fear mongering may be a bit over the top. We need watchdogs. Right or wrong, at least they stimulate conversation and thought processes.

  • Lee Richards

    Please see my #33 for background.
    ***
    Palin spoke to an estimated 15,000-16,000 admirers. The most interesting thing was the number of signs they held up saying, “Palin 2012″.

    They either know they ain’t gonna win in ’08, don’t want McCain to win, or think he won’t make it past one term.

  • http://www.thepolitikos.com Heloise

    Shout out to Satsangis in Fayetteville, North Carolina. You know what to do–vote Obama–vote early.

    Also army folks and families and naturally to my folks…vote like your life depends on it…VOTE Obama.

    Everybody’s talking about McCain’s loose hold on his own state of Arizona. It’s in the water. I mention NC because McClone and Pain were there today on the stump.

    And did you hear Obama today reading his script? He was so cute. His writers have taken a shine to Heloispeak. They used my recent “drive” metaphor as in Bush drove the states into the United Shambles of America but they combined it with the metaphor I used when I wanted him to pick Hillary: riding shotgun as VP and loving it!

    Nice touch. My karma. I had speech writers once upon a time. I would pitch the idea and they would put the flesh on it. That’s why I ramble sometimes, not used to having to tidy stuff up. I had the “best and the brightest” to do it.

    More Later

    Heloise

  • http://www.thepolitikos.com Heloise

    I actually like Pat B. We see eye to eye on immigration and promoted his POV at the time. You forget I am a true centrist and conservative. I don’t agree with the extreme fringes–why bother I’m extreme enough.

    Read my older articles, you’ll see. I voted for Bush, helped create some of the confusion on the inner planes to get his W. butt elected. That’s may be too estoeric for you, but now will use just as much spiritual capital to get Obama elected. Now, that’s fair.

    Heloise

  • http://www.thepolitikos.com Heloise

    We are all economic parasites and welfare queens:

    Read my take:
    As for Palin intimating or rather doing deep subterfuge-speak that minorities will undermine the Anglo-Saxon work ethic in this country…yes they did. They went there. But what am I saying Palin ain’t that smart. Some Marxist wrote her speech. Some expert on Socialism-speak and welfare-willies.

    While Socialism is no code for black folks or minorities…welfare queen and willie hortonesque words sure the fuck are code for blacks and minorities.

    Yes, yes, I know welfare was originally created for white widows. Well so were projects created for white folks. But blacks took over both systems and used it until after 40 years were booted out of places like the heart of Chicago to the hinterlands of southern illinois! Where there are no fuckin jobs! But WTF we don’t work anyway.

    Welfare, welfare, we love welfare. We all love welfare, we all get welfare. Only those who manufacture shit and own a business that manufactures stuff from stuff are the only producers on the planet. Everyone else, everything else is a parasite or a secondary consumer to use biology metaphors.

    This economy has totally tanked into the service economy. Doctors, lawyers, indian chiefs, teachers, and bertha the blogger (they forgot to mention bloggers) joe the plumbers are all freakin service wonks.

    Get over your Republican GRIM selves.

    Heloise

  • http://www.thepolitikos.com Heloise

    It’s not liveblogging the infomercial but Joe Biden just said “whoa, that’s guy’s good.” He made that comment to another senator when BHO first went to the senate. He’s probably didn’t say whoa but just couldn’t help himself for TV! He’s comical too.

    It’s not so much that we gotta have Barack, but that we no wanna McCain and we just betta stick it to ‘em both.

    Heloise

  • http://www.thepolitikos.com Heloise

    oops, should be “whoa, that guy’s good.”

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