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If you’ve been following the Dixie Chicks’ saga - and based upon the traffic and comments, in the days just before the war, few were concerned with much else – you know that after Natalie Maines slammed President Bush in London, she apologized the next day.

Well, we have all been led astray: the apology printed on the band’s website and in the media was written by some record label hack. This is what she really said:

    ….I hope everyone understands, I’m just a young girl who grew up in Texas. As far back as I can remember, I heard people say they were ashamed of President Clinton. I saw bumper stickers calling him everything from a pothead to a murderer. I heard people on the radio and tv like Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, Newt Gingrich and Trent Lott bad mouthing the President and ridiculing his wife and daughter at every opportunity.

    I heard LOTS of people disrespecting the President. So I guess I just assumed it was acceptable behavior.

    ….I realize it’s wrong to have a liberal opinion if you’re a country music artist. I guess I should have thought about that before deciding to play music that attracts hypocritical red necks.

    I also realize now that I’m supposed to just sing and look cute so our fans won’t have anything to upset them while they’re cheating on their wives or getting in drunken bar fights or driving around in their pickup trucks shooting highway signs and small animals.

    And most important of all, I realize that it’s wrong for a celebrity to voice a political opinion, unless they’re Charlie Daniels, Clint Black, Merle Haggard, Barbara Mandrell, Loretta Lynn, Ricky Skaggs, Travis Tritt, Hank Williams Jr, Amy Grant, Larry Gatlin, Crystal Gayle, Reba McEntire, Lee Greenwood, Lorrie Morgan, Anita Bryant, Mike Oldfield, Ted Nugent, Wayne Newton, Dick Clark, Jay Leno, Drew Carey, Dixie Carter, Victoria Jackson, Charleton Heston, Fred Thompson, Ben Stein, Bruce Willis, Kevin Costner, Arnold Schwartzenegger, Bo Derek, Rick Schroeder, George Will, Pat Buchanan, Bill O’Reilly, Joe Rogan, Delta Burke, Robert Conrad or Jesse Ventura.

USDA approved satire.

UPDATE
Much has happened in the world of the chirping chicks since this post appeared four days ago.

Since this post now has almost 300 comments, I have to scratch my head and ponder why. I believe the Chicks have become a prism through which we can view the almost overwhelming events in Iraq, and the themes of patriotism, free speech, dissent, political expression by entertainers, free enterprise, betrayal, and the sociology of country music fans. Hence the flood of comments ranging over the topics mentioned and many more. Why do you think there is so much interest?

While I hope it is clear to everyone that the “apology” by Natalie Maines quoted above is SATIRE – she didn’t say it – that doesn’t mean she didn’t think it.

Seizing an opportunity with both hands is the South Carolina General Assembly, who passed this resolution last week:

    A HOUSE RESOLUTION
    TO REQUEST THAT THE DIXIE CHICKS APOLOGIZE TO THE MILITARY FAMILIES IN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA AND THE UNITED STATES FOR THE UNPATRIOTIC AND UNNECESSARY COMMENTS MADE BY THEIR LEAD SINGER BEFORE THEY BEGIN THEIR UNITED STATES TOUR ON MAY 1, 2003, IN GREENVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, AND TO REQUEST THAT THEY PERFORM A FREE CONCERT FOR TROOPS AND MILITARY FAMILIES IN SOUTH CAROLINA AS AN EXPRESSION OF THEIR SINCERITY.

    Whereas, the Dixie Chicks are a popular and influential country music group from Texas; and

    Whereas, before a recent London concert, Natalie Maines, the lead singer of the Dixie Chicks, said that she was ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas; and

    Whereas, members of the United States Armed Forces are outraged at the anti-American sentiment expressed by the Dixie Chicks; and

    Whereas, there is a large military presence in the State of South Carolina, whom the Dixie Chicks have offended by their comments; and

    Whereas, before the Dixie Chicks kick off their United States tour in Greenville on May 1, 2003, the House of Representatives and the people of South Carolina request that Natalie Maines apologize and that the group perform a free concert for the South Carolina servicemen and women and their families. Now, therefore,

    Be it resolved by the House of Representatives:

    That the members of the House of Representatives of the State of South Carolina, by this resolution, request that the Dixie Chicks apologize to the military families in the State of South Carolina and the United States for the unpatriotic and unnecessary comments made by their lead singer before they begin their United States tour on May 1, 2003, in Greenville, South Carolina, and request that they perform a free concert for troops and military families in South Carolina as an expression of their sincerity.

    Be it further resolved that a copy of this resolution be forwarded to the Dixie Chicks.

And that is NOT a parody, but it sure as hell is a vicious case of political grandstanding: “you will apologize, and you will perform a free concert, or you suck.” What if every state does this to the Chicks? They’d never perform for pay again.

UPDATE
Natalie bashing by Toby Keith: I say attack the song not the singer.

UPDATE
For a discussion of war songs pro and con, please see here.

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  • Woland

    Yee-haw!

    Maines’ comments against type almost makes me think country music isn’t a waste of time.

    Almost.

  • http://hotbuttereddeath.blogspot.com James Russell

    *applause*
    That’s brilliant.

  • http://www.slumdance.com/blogs/brian_flemming/ Brian Flemming

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

    That is some great satire. It totally had me fooled. I don’t know anything about her, so I really did think she might be the one country artist with both liberal politics and guts.

    I had copied it and was pasting it into an email to send to my conservative family (half of which lives in Texas) when I saw the “satire” label. Sent it anyway.

    I predict the site’s gonna get busted for not having a more prominent warning, and that should be an interesting dispute. It would only draw more attention to the statement.

  • http://www.morethings.com/fan/the_shield Al Barger

    Some of those people actually know something about the things they discuss. George Will and Pat Buchanan in particular are significantly scholarly. Giving not just their random opinions but analysis is exactly what they are paid for.

    Being a celebrity doesn’t disqualify you from having an opinion, but it doesn’t mean you can speak in an arrogant and disrespectful manner about the POTUS on the brink of a major war, and then expect to not get flak.

    Merle Haggard expressed strong political opinions at least a couple of times. For one thing, however, he didn’t go whining about how unfair the big meanies were who criticized him. Also, his biggest expressions of political opinion were in the form of the songs “Okie from Muskogee” and “Fightin’ Side of Me.” If the Dixie Chicks wrote a song half as good as either one of those, I’d become much more willing to listen to their blather.

    I also don’t see how the grossly stereotyped country fan is a “hypocrite.” Granted, they didn’t show much good taste by becoming Dixie Chicks fans in the first place. Still

    Also, Bill Clinton DESERVED the mockery he got. He was a cheap, narcisstic multiple felon. Also note that he was not a wartime president. Note that Hillary was a scheming but then yet unelected power broker, ie FAIR GAME. And conservatives just factually did NOT go after Chelsea.

    I’m not necessarily filled with great joy by everything Dubya does, but he’s clearly an honorable man trying to do right by his country. He does not DESERVE most of the disrespect being handed to him.

  • Linda James

    It’s not that you have a right to express your opinion that’s at fault here, even though you conveniently forgot who paid the ultimate price for that right,

    Or that you think you speak for Texans, even though your far-reaching, star-status opinion does not represent Texans—or the state majority,

    Or that you deduced Texans to hypocritical red- necks, even though they are your biggest fans lining your pockets,

    Or that you shamefully criticized our President, even though you apparently do not appreciate the factual differences between President Bush and Bill Clinton—Mr. Clinton did that for himself.

    What is at fault in this instance is the fact that you presented to the World—with an arrogance comparable to a cowardly dictator, a total ignorance of history, for which there is no acceptable apology to a free nation.

    If you have to abuse your right to free speech, then please stop your mouth from overloading your ass—especially to the World—it’s embarrassing!! As we say in Texas, Bulllllshit!

  • http://oakhaus.blogspot.com/ Bill Sherman

    Um, Linda – Eric’s posting doesn’t make clear what the actual site does: the whole thing is a parody, written on the fake “Dixie Chiks” site.

  • Michael Hanf

    You people are so simple-minded. We have this thing called free speech where I come from, and if someone doesn’t like what you have to say, well…TOO BAD!! George Dubya is such a big tough army general you would think his skin would be a little thicker than the tears everybody cries when he gets to be the target of what is really only someone elses opinion. Give it up already!! If he can’t take some tough feedback, get him the hell of the “throne” of the US!!

  • adam robets

    Hitler’s regime tried to stifle celebrity and intelectual critics before and during WWII claiming they were “bad germans”, anyone opposing the blood shed in the name of “homeland defense” were accused of being disloyal to the troops, this was done to pit the working class (which made up much of the army)against any critics and win support for the carnage that took place. sound familiar?

  • Molly

    hey, guys and girls…IT’S NOT REAL!!! NO ONE ever actually SAID IT…not Maines, not one of her band members…NOBODY. IT’S A SATIRE, A FAKE, A WRITER’S FICTION. It’s somebody else using the Maines controversy to, A.) get his own opinion across, or B.)stir up yet more trouble for the woman in question, or C.) just stir up people in general so he can sit back and laugh at how seriously other people are taking his posting. Is it really worth getting THAT upset over so that you blast other people on message boards? Whatever our opinions of our past presidents (and they’ve ALL had their faults, going all the way back to Washington) or this war, the thing to remember is that our men and women are over there fighting and dying. And it IS possible to support them without supporting the decisions that sent them over there to begin with.
    But let’s NOT get SO riled up by somebody who SET OUT to yank our chains by writing something that was meant to be a satire. Hell, they do it every week on SNL and I don’t see people getting this stirred up…

  • BritBoy

    What’s going on here?? An American who can actually use satire!? AND a LIBERAL!! Just when us Europeans were giving up on the Americans, one of them goes and says something like this. FAN-F*CKING-TASTIC!! A speech worthy of Robin Cook, not to mention Bill Shakepeare, and voicing a decent political opinion! Wow, if it weren’t for an unlawful election, Enron, Xerox, Worldcom, Republican-fascism, and Isreali-loving, people might actually respect Americans…

  • Toni Johnson

    Linda- It wasn’t real of course! But even if it was,how do you abuse the right to free speech? Its free,you can say whatever the hell you want! Do you get it?

  • http://www.slumdance.com/blogs/brian_flemming/ Brian Flemming

    The only thing funnier than the satirical letter is reading Bush defenders here somehow try to defend this proposition:

    “It is ALWAYS wrong to criticize a president, unless that president is Bill Clinton, because he deserved it.”

  • Joan Broening

    Good for her. I think Junior is an embarrassment too.

  • krishna-nicole

    i thought it was very good!!!i,m amazed at how americans minds are so small, agree with me or you are unpratrotic. free speech is not allowed!!!so kudo,s to whoever wrote it, just wish it had been me!!!!!!!!!! yea, dixie chick,s!!!!!! lol

  • J Strah

    Ya! She made a comment that created alot of flak, but this is still a free country and she is entitled to her opinion.
    I back the President in this war, but people should have the right to say they don’t as long as they aren’t disrupting everybody else’s life in doing so.
    For instance:
    blocking public access to places, highways, bridges, etc.
    Being a public nuisance.
    I just wanted to express my freedom of speech and because I believe in that freedom I won’t condemn Natalie Maines for her opinion.

  • Bill

    The entertainment industry contains a lot of people like Maines who haven’t the least idea of what goes on in the world so just ignore her. She has too much money and too few brains. She is just as stupid and unknowledgable as her idol Bill Clinton.

  • doug

    This site is obviously not only sprinkled with, but completely saturated with uninformed liberals.
    Maines stepped in it, tried to wipe it off and now is paying the economic price for tripping on her own tongue. She’ll only clear a few hundred million bucks this year as a result. We’ll have to add her to the Benefit for Poor Stupid Stars who exercise their right to free speech and then backtrack when it costs them concert dates and CD sales. Babs has gotten most of the money so far raised; I believe it’s enough for a plane ticket to Iraq. They probably will change the name of the Iraqi city to Babsra for her if she’ll sing a benefit for them.
    Protesting a war or a president is fair game. Slamming someone who doesn’t deserve it, which does not include Bill Clinton, is just liberal vomit.

  • Elliot Bigman

    Man, talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Apparently Natalie Maines is yet another ultra liberal Hollywood type, under educated, grossly removed from everyday mainstream America. What an arrogant celebrity type putting her own convoluted idealist ideas ahead of the tens of thousands of loyal service people risking their lives to preserve her lifestyle and freedom. Total disregard for their feelings and the majority of Americans who support their country and their president in times such as these. I wonder what Ms. Maines will be doing and saying should we have yet another 9/11? I’ll bet she’ll then be at the other end of the spectrum and singing an entirely different tune. So typical.

  • Eric Olsen

    At this point I should point out the speech I quoted is a parody – Natalie Maines did not say those things, although she certainly may have thought them.

  • Richard

    What is really a satire is all these people commenting on a war that dont even know the true facts of why we’re there!!!My dad always taught me don’t believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. And the fact that politicians and government lie and then believe the lies or ignore the lies exist. Just watch and see if their lips are moving…if so they’re lying.So far no weapons found nor chemicals used.But be rest assured they will be found even if we only need to believe they are telling us the truth.

  • BritBoy

    I can’t believe there’s actually people out there who defend Dubya. For a country based on LIBERTY, you seem to have a peculiar way of showing it. Like not letting people express their opinions for one.
    Haven’t you retarded American Republican/Facsists heard of Voltaire? “I detest what you have to say but will defend to the death your right to say it”. Seems like us Europeans are way ahead of you. Unless you associate yourselves with the Nazis?
    They started with repressing people’s right to free speech too.
    Maybe France, Russia and China should invade the US on a ‘moral crusade to protect the freedoms of individuals living in an oppressive regime’.
    That’d be one worth seeing…

  • John Thacker

    More silly people (like BritBoy) confuse free speech with approving of others’ speech. They have beliefs. Others disagree with them for it. Do not people that disagree with her have the right to express their disagreement peacefully? Can they not choose not to listen to her songs or buy her albums? Are you claiming that all boycotts or disagreements violate free speech? What bizarre reasoning.

    She’s free to say what she wants. Others are free to disagree. Seems like BritBoy and others want to prevent others from exercising free speech. It’s certainly not the US government or Bush taking any action against the Dixie Chicks. It’s fans who disagree with her.

    Her comments, unsurprisingly, went over about as well with country music fans as pro-war comments at a university, a wealthy Manhattan dinner party, or in France. Big shock there. Of course, it is disturbing when people feel like they have to keep quiet because of fear of retribution– which occurs among both the Left and Right. However, this kind of ostracism is not the same as denial of free speech. (After all, it does not appear that pro-Bush and pro-war speakers could count on respect from BritBoy, for example, for all his vaunted faith in free speech.)

    And actually, in Germany, it *is* illegal to advocate Nazism, which seems like a free speech violation.

  • Veronica

    Guys, she didnt really say that. Here is what she REALLY said (its on their website if you dont want to believe it and im sure she really did say it):
    “As a concerned American citizen, I apologize to President Bush because my remark was disrespectful. I feel that whoever holds that office should be treated with the utmost respect. We are currently in Europe and witnessing a huge anti-American sentiment as a result of the perceived rush to war. While war may remain a viable option, as a mother, I just want to see every possible alternative exhausted before children and American soldiers’ lives are lost. I love my country. I am a proud American.”
    Think of how many times you yourselves said something you didnt mean.

  • OHIO -GIRL

    Natalie is as simple as her music. She should stick to singing and looking cute. I was an avid fan of the dixie chicks before her comments. No more. They’ve lost at least one fan in Ohio.

  • Fran

    I am ashamed of Duhbya, and even worse, I fear he is dangerous. He is a man of small intellect and no personal achievement. He has not done one single good thing for this country since being “elected”. The facts are all there if anyone cares enough to read them, so I won’t use up pages of space to itemize his many failings to date. His family has business ties with Bin Laden’s family, and his grandfather sold arms to Hitler’s Germany, so he is just carrying on the family tradition.

    Personally, I do not believe that September 11th would have happened if anyone else had been elected President. Bush immediately turned his back on generations of diplomacy and “nation building”, pulling out of 5 internatinal treaties and ignoring a volcanic situation in the Middle East. Our country paid the price for his ignorance and arrogance.

    I am not a fan of country music. Because of my own childhood, rightly or wrongly, I associate it with losers, drunks, and hotheads. I do respect Natalie Maines’ courage in saying that she was ashamed that Bush was from Texas. She must have known what a backlash would follow, but she followed her conscience, something too few of us do these days. Even better, I like the satire presented above. There’s a lot of truth there.

    As far as Clinton goes, I did not vote for him. I found him to live up to his reputation as “Slick Willy”. Yet he had the reputation for moral slipperiness and of womanizing before he was elected, so where was the surprise? Ironic though, that this country prospered tremendously during his tenure. Generations of federal deficits became a surplus (which was gone in a year under Bush), environmental laws were toughened to protect us, jobs were created and the standard of living was raised for us all. Even more importantly, the world viewed us as a benevolent super power, and the countries that now villify us were among our strongest allies. A a lot has changed in two years due to the ignorant, swaggering, arrogant hypocrite currently in the White House.

    In closing, I leave you with a few Bushisms. There are many to be found on the web. Just type Bushisms into your web browser. Interesting. So, let his own words speak for him now.

    “Well, I think if you say you’re going to do something and don’t do it, that’s trustworthiness.” -George W. Bush, in a CNN online chat, Aug. 30, 2000

    “If you don’t stand for anything, you don’t stand for anything!” -George W. Bush, Bellevue Community College, Nov. 2, 2000

    “If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier – so long as I’m the dictator.” -George W. Bush, Dec. 19, 2000

    “It’s amazing I won. I was running against peace, prosperity, and incumbency.” -George W. Bush, June 14, 2001, speaking to Swedish Prime Minister Goran Perrson, unaware that a live television camera was still rolling.

  • Veronica

    And just because i put that, don’t think that I (and many others in this area) wasn’t disappointed in her for saying that. Yes, she does have freedom of speech on her side, but come on! She should have said what she said in her appology instead of saying that she was ashamed that Pres. Bush came from Texas.

  • BritBoy

    Actually, Mr.Thacker, you’ll find i agree with you. Free speech should exist regardless of the opinion expressed, i.e Voltaire.

    However, it does seem to many, particularly Euopeans, that the US breeds extreme conservatism disproportionate to the population of both the US and in relative terms compared to other countries.

    The consequence of this is that, instead of extremist beliefs of both left and right cancelling each other out, the staunchly right-wing conservatism in fact vastly elclipses views held by the left; the result of which is that the general mainstream political spectrum becomes skewered toward the prevailing extreme. Which is what I see happening here.
    Indeed, the evidence on this very page, for example as expressed by Eliot Bigman, Doug, Bill, and Brian Fleming. No doubt there’s more but I really can’t be bothered to find them all.

  • Nick

    First of all GET A DAMN LIFE! Who gives a rat’s ass of ANOTHER celebrity opinion? I am a HUGE Chick’s fan.. but her comments were off. Be against the war.. fine.. yadda yadda.. hate the man’s policies.. but she attacked him personally. That is wrong. She doesn’t know him personally so ZIP IT. Does ANYONE even have a clue that it is QUITE possible the president, his administration, and the military might.. just MIGHT have covert info regarding Iraq and that nutter Saddam? Ummm DUH my guess would be. My guess is all these celebrity prostesters aren’t privy to this info. So I say NICK OFF. Take more advantage of your time SUPPORTING the troops over there fighting and getting killed. SUPPORT the Iraqis who celebrated in the streets and thanked the troops for liberating them. Worry about those over there in the HEAT of the action.. not some pussy whining and carrying signs around. If he DIDN’T do anything – there would be protests and people pissed and then something else bad would happen on American soil and it was W’s fault for not knowing.. he DOES do something and people still piss and moan. Get IT? Got IT? Doubt IT.

  • keno

    they should drop there crappy cds with the protesters first and save the bombs for later hell that fat ass dixie chicken singer would make a big splat

  • Michelle

    In a world where anti-war protesters instigate violence and mayhem, pro-lifers blow up abortion clinics, and democratic citizens (little d) defend the right to run your own dictatorship, it’s easy to see how right and wrong can be confused. The lines between the two are so blurred that we run each other over in the race to be right. Yes, it’s okay to disagree with the president. It’s equally okay to not. Just be sure that when you make a public statement, do it with conviction and purpose. Don’t use celebrity as a platform to win the favor of the majority, and then renege when it doesn’t work in your favor. The Chicks have lost my respect for that reason alone.

  • Cassie

    Of course there is such a thing as free speech. The only problem is that people have to learn the meaning of the word ‘tact.’

  • Alice

    I used to be a big fan,until she opened her big fat mouth. Kiss your success good byes Dixie Sluts. I’ll never buy another CD of yours again.

  • Fabyenn

    “It is ALWAYS wrong to criticize a president, unless that president is Bill Clinton, because he deserved it.”
    I am sorry, but I cannot get past this jewel. Priceless! a perfect example of what’s wrong here, now, in this country. If you can’t discuss, detail, analyze, criticize or question the actions and words of your own president, then how do you know that he is doing what’s best? You just take his word for it? we all know how ‘truthful’ politicians are. I’d rather cut off my tongue than refrain from speaking my mind. May I remind you that the US are what they are because the pilgrims refused to follow the England King’s orders and questioned his authority? I think I made my point. Even if that was fake, that was a great statement from ‘Maines’.

  • trinity

    Sounds like Britboy has the best case of misplaced anger I’ve seen since the time my neighbor shot his dog because he got into an argument with his wife. Obviously, he’s European, possibly British to judge by his handle. So, unless some American cut in front of him in a line once, I can’t see where all the anger is coming from. If American foreign policy has impacted him one iota, it would be a surprise to me. Oh, and thanks for the line about being Israeli lovers. We tend to take care of our allies and it’s nice to know the rest of the world notices. Some of my British friends think we do a good job protecting allies, too.

    Despite what we “bad-ass arrogant” Americans hear on the news, and in vitriolic posts like these, a significant percentage of Europe still thinks the U.S.A. stands for freedom and human rights. It’s just the mouthy ones venting their stored-up spleen over the fact that, as a nation, the United States decided to do something about terrorist attacks instead of taking it on the chin that are getting all the press right now. And that goes for some of us Americans right here at home.

  • http://getyourdrawerson.blogspot.com sulizano

    I’m not quite sure if this was satire or actual reporting. Clarify?

  • Dianna

    Let me get this straight….since 1776…when we became a nation…and the most current Bill of Rights that is in force…and that hundreds of thousands have died to protect ouR Consitutional rights, you people have the nerve to blast the Dixie Chicks???…If anything, they are guilty of only apologizing about what they said….not because they said it….IT IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH..FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION…they have these rights just as the rest of you do…GET A GRIP PEOPLE!! WHETHER OR NOT WE LIKE WHAT SOMEONE HAS SAID…THEY DO HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH…DOESNT MATTER WHO SAYS IT!!!

  • cheryl

    She’s entitled to her opinions the same as anyone else, and she is entitled to express them, just as anyone else. What upset ME is that she was ‘punished’ for speaking her mind. Freedom of speech means just that, that you are allowed to say what you want *WITHOUT FEAR OF HARM*. To have pulled the Dixie Chicks from radio playlists was harm, it was a form of censorship-punishment, and it was WRONG.

    It’s like what happened to Bill Maher for his comments re: 9/11. Whether you agree w/him or not, he had the right to say it. I think some of our citizens have forgotten what FREEDOM is. So you disagree, fine, but if you TAKE ACTION (such as removal from a radio playlist or firing from a tv show) against someone for speaking out, then what does that make YOU. That’s the sort of thing Saddam would do to *his* people…!

    You go, girl! I have new respect for you and applaud you for being brave enough to say what you think vs what’s pc.

  • Eric Olsen

    Suzy dear, how are you? Did Dawn ever get hold of you? I gave her the message. Hope you are well – you have to come up to our housewarming party when it actually warms up.

    This is satire (not what I wrote to you, the post)

  • nary

    First off, GREAT “quote” from Maines at the top. A-1, perfect! It’s great seeing the knee-jerk reaction of all the knuckleheads that initially wrote in & those that continue to. If anybody wants to read a brilliant article on the war and the president, try Norman Mailler’s speech here:
    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/16166

    Something for Trinity to consider, as I don’t know if he’s talking about personal acquaintances when he mentions British friends or if he’s just imagining how Brit soldiers might be feeling…

    A few years ago I decided to bicycle around Europe for a few weeks. I had all my camping gear on the back, with a big flag from my country secured around it. No, I’m not american. I caught a pothole with my front tire & ended out having to fix a spoke in the middle of nowhere. There I am working on my bike & a farmer comes along and starts a conversation. This was in a liberal, peace-loving country and do you know what this farmer said to me? “Are you really from (my country) or are you an american trying not to get run over?”

    Maybe he was just jealous that his country was busy being swarmed with Nazi’s and others instead of being able to show up four years late for two world wars like the US and then trying to take the credit for winning them nearly single-handedly.
    Don’t assume that relations with anybody is going to improve under your current president. Even George Sr. was a thousand times better in the Oval Office than boy-George will ever be. It isn’t all his fault, but a lot of it is & the next president will have to be a super diplomat and financial wiz to get you guys through the next few decades. Good Luck.

  • jeff

    Well, at least we know how she feels about the people from whom she makes her living…

  • roach

    george bush is a fuckin idiot hows that for respecting your presious prez

  • Doris

    Ms. High & Mighty Natalie Maines how dare you slam President Bush at a time like this when we are suppose to be showing the world that we are all together. Not running down our leader. Then give a fake apology and some flimsy excuses. Take your music over and sing to Saddam…maybe you can sell some records over there cause we don’t want to hear them here in the U.S.A. Lost a lot of fans…maybe you will come down a few notches!

  • Alice

    Wake up and smell the roses, you people who yell Freedom of Speech need to realize that you are free to speak your mind here in this great country, because of the troops who defend your behinds. Our troops are risking their lives to give you freedom from terrorists……does 9-11 ring a bell? Freedom is not free.

  • TexasofTigress

    Just so you know I am ashamed that Natalie Maines
    is from Texas. Dixie Chick you should not go to another country be anti-American against your President. No matter what you think you did
    are now a member of the Europe anti American group
    for life. No only that you did hurt many of the American Troops by what you said. And now you call
    them hypocritical red necks. Shame on you Nat. So
    why don’t you move to Europe.

  • Brian

    Open your eyes Doris! Regardless of what some celebrity said, it is obvious that Americans are not ‘all together.’ Protests of thousands of people happen in major American cities every day that are broadcast all over the world! If so many people believe that war is wrong, maybe you should stop ignoring them and consider what they are trying to say: war is NOT the answer!

  • Lola

    Let it Rip, Natalie.

    Everything she said is 100% correct. The only thing Natalie should have done is tell exactly why he is an embarrassment. President Bush does not care what the American people want and in the few short years, he has been in office he has ruined our nation’s economy just the way he did in Texas before he got the hell out. He is a bully, who is straining our relations with our allies. He is hell bent on bombing Iraq, with no evidence to support his claims. He does not respect the UN or any other nation; if they are not for him then his motto is to forget them and do it his self even without the support of the American people.

    Ok, now I am a seventh generation Texan and I too am embarrassed when he claims he is a Texan. Let us not forget he is not a Texan by birth, he was born in Maine. To me and many other Texans that make him a want a be Texan, not the real thing. . Have you forgotten that he at first refused to live in the Texas governor’s mansion, stating it was to old and drafty, until public pressure forced him to live in the governor’s mansion, but even then he rarely spent anytime there, just as he rarely spends time at the White House. He is so busy adding on to that Crawford Ranch at the taxpayer’s expense. Also might I add, not only has President Bush failed as a president in my eyes, he was a terrible governor, and an even more horrible businessperson. Not one business or government entity that Mr. Bush has managed has ever been successful. He leaves every post ridden with debt and bankruptcy

    I think radio stations are wrong for banning the Dixie Chicks. This is America where one has the freedom of speech or did you forget that. Oh I guess it alright to just disrepect the democratic leaders and not the Republicans. Sounds like the truth hurts and this administration reeks of dictatorship.

    Go Natalie Go!

  • Sareena

    It’s so sad that these poor victim’s of Dubya’s hate propaganda are so mislead. Anti-war does not equal Anti-American, Morons. I served my country as a soldier in the US Army inclusing a year in Bosnia…for you uber-patriots to imply that because I do not support the actions of our “President” that I am somehow against America is just ignorant. What have you done to truly show patriotism except fly a flag out of your ass and eat what you are spoon-fed by Fox news all while being hate-mongers to those you don’t agree with?

  • Cary

    I think by now you know that you have wrecked all of your careers due to your comment. I know for a fact I won`t be listening to anything that you have to sing or say.

  • Dan

    These Dixiechicks suck anyway. I am glad they are off the airways. Natalie Maines is a Benedicta Arnold. Most intelligent people know better than to trash the USA or the President when we are at war! Or maybe she is just plain stupid. Don’t they teach patriotism in Texas?
    She just joined the ranks of the rest of the stupid anti-war, anti USA freaks. Hello! You all are just lucky your asses didn’t get blown up by Arab terrorists yet. And as far as you Hollywood Stars, If you trash the USA and the Troops serving her I say America should boycott you! Hit em where it hurts, in their pocketbooks. Stay away from their movies and music! And for all you anti-war protesters, Move to F—in France, where all the weasels live.

    CANADA AND MEXICO NEXT!

    WITH FRIENDS LIKE YOU, WHY DO WE NEED ENEMIES.
    Kick a Canadian Today!

  • Tigressof Texas

    They teach patriotism in Texas. Natalie Maines must of missed it. Also she does not have a clue
    to what her she is saying she is from Austin one of the Biggest party towns and home of the Bush girls. I dare her to show her face around town. I bet she hung with them. But also this is the same person who has chicken feet tattoos on her feet. So maybe she has a brain the size of a chicken.

  • John

    Let’s give George W. Bush a break. After all, if Osama bin Laden was named Waldo, George would have spotted him by now.

  • Bob

    or would he have? haha.

  • Annette

    Well, Dan, go ahead and kick a Canadian today, why doncha, eh?

    With the disregard for the United Nations, the US President has broken an agreement your country made, as a member of the United Nations. Now, it seems they will soon be known as the Untied Nations. The UN works only as long as all its member nations adhere to its policies and judgements. What chance does it have now that two of its most powerful members have ignored its decisions?

    I think the UN reacted here too slowly. However, if the US President wants the US to remain a member of the UN, he needs to reread the part where the US signed on as a member and accepted the obligations and duties of a member country.

    Despite our worries for the men and women who make up the US military, Canada agreed when we joined the United Nations to abide by the majority decisions of the members of the United Nations. Would you have us break our word? What kind of country would we be if we couldn’t be trusted to keep our word of honour? Should we react to pressure from a neighbour and break that word?

    Every politician should be able to withstand scrutiny of the closest order. Every citizen should question whether their government is honest, moral, and upholding the public interest. If you cannot criticize your government, your politicians, you do not have much freedom in your country. People have a right to say what they are feeling and thinking. Without being made to pay a price. Just because the US is the biggest kid in the playground, doesn’t give it the right to be the ruler of the playground. And I think where the US is concerned, that is what is worrying a lot of countries today. None of us want to be looking over our shoulder, afraid of being forced into compliance with the US because they want something done a certain way. That makes a bully out of your government. Acting with UN approval would have gone a long way towards dispelling those fears of finding our friend has become a bully.

    What Natalie Maines said has nothing to do with her feelings for her country. I personally cannot abide our drunk-driving Premier, but I love my Province. I don’t agree with much of what the Prime Minister says, but I love Canada. I can criticize both of them all I want, and still be patriotic. The two are not mutually exclusive. And yes, our Prime Minister is an idiot who thinks spending a billion and a half dollars on a gun registry that is toothless and riddled with mistakes is a good thing, when the health care system is going to hell in a hand basket. I will tell that to anybody who listens, Canadian or not. But I am still proud to be Canadian. I just am a proud Canadian without blinders on.

    Do not ever make the mistake that Canadians don’t care what is happening to your soldiers. We do. After all, we lost one or two in the last several wars, too, you know. And despite many of us being solidly against war in general, we want Saddam gone, and your military personnel to come home safe and sound. They deserve our prayers and support, and they get them. Just ask the folks whose planes were forced to land in Canada September 11, 2001 what kind of support the Canadian people show their southern neighbours.

    I don’t think I have heard anybody trashing the soldiers serving on the Iraqi front, somehow I think the lesson about honouring your soldiers was learned after Vietnam, wasn’t it?

    Annette in Canada

  • mark

    Well first of all, of course I disagree with what Maines said about our President.

    Second, She DOES have a right to say what she wants.

    Third, we all have the right to speak out against her if we disagree with her. Which many of us do. And we have a right to boycott her efforts. That’s the mark of a truly free nation.

    Fourth, President Bush never commented on what she said. Obviously, he’s above it.

    I have several European friends (living in Europe) who would definitely agree that people like BritBoy are irrelevant when they use the sort of colorful language he uses to try to argue a point. That’s typical of most of the uneducated “victims” of the world. (yes, I know BritBoy, you are going to come back and say something like, “I graduated from Oxford” or some silly thing like that – to that I would say, I don’t recall having seen you there).

    By the way, BritBoy, you need a lesson in sentence structure and word usage. For having come from a country who gave birth to the English language, you are an extremely pour example of one who has a command of it.

    And of course your stupidity makes you a great proponent for Miss Maine’s cause. But do keep up the good work!

    Sincerely,
    An American

  • mark

    Well first of all, of course I disagree with what Maines said about our President.

    Second, She DOES have a right to say what she wants.

    Third, we all have the right to speak out against her if we disagree with her. Which many of us do. And we have a right to boycott her efforts. That’s the mark of a truly free nation.

    Fourth, President Bush never commented on what she said. Obviously, he’s above it.

    I have several European friends (living in Europe) who would definitely agree that people like BritBoy are irrelevant when they use the sort of colorful language he uses to try to argue a point. That’s typical of most of the uneducated “victims” of the world. (yes, I know BritBoy, you are going to come back and say something like, “I graduated from Oxford” or some silly thing like that – to that I would say, I don’t recall having seen you there).

    By the way, BritBoy, you need a lesson in sentence structure and word usage. For having come from a country who gave birth to the English language, you are an extremely pour example of one who has a command of it.

    And of course your stupidity makes you a great proponent for Miss Maine’s cause. But do keep up the good work!

    Sincerely,
    An American

  • Genenine

    I comend you on your knowledge of your constitutional rights. 90% of the citizens in USA don’t use what is their right. And then gripe when someone else uses it. I wish all of you people would have the gutts to stand up like Nat did and I wouldn’t have said I’m sorry to anyone. I understand your position. Keep on trying to get thru to these people.If everyone would work together things could change. They will never change as long as we are still and self-centered. May God Bless our troops who are fighting for our FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • fooio

    this is really fun. reading all these responses is interesting and is itself a great exercise in the right of free speech. my humble opinion is that The US ought to get her helpful little hands out of the vast majority of foreign affairs she likes to meddle in. of course that would leave the “farmboys” in Langley, Virgina with too much time on their hands. and doing so would again raise the ire of liberals who would cry out for US intervention in righting the wrongs of despotic regimes which dot our globe (you never can please those folks). but in a very thoughtful analysis of the current situation with Iraq i’ve decided that the present course of action will not result in a more stable Iraq or good karma for the US. saddam hussein is not a benevolent leader of the people. if i could have an hour of conversation with him i could probably show that he was not breast fed long enough, has some serious inner conflict with his anima as well as a serotonin deficiency. he is not a well individual and in no respects should he be a leader of people but it is not the responsibility of the US to change that. it is the responsibility of the Iraqi people. remember that little incident in 1776? a less powerful group of people overthrew the governance of body they felt was unfair and repressive. if the Iraqi people feel the same way let them do the same thing (oh yeah, the French can help, but that’s it). same goes for somalia, cuba, grenada, bosnia, etc., etc., etc. of course there will be those who whine and cry when the US stops giving financial aide to ailing economies. (the ailing economy they should be aiding is their own) and if we are really talking sepratism the US should stop sending humanitarian aid to suffering nations and start focusing her attention on the homless living within her own borders. as i see it there are two roads for the US: complete sepratism or good old fashioned colonialism. Yup, either leave them all alone or take them completely over. doing anything in between is just ineffective, inefficient and unkind. “But!”, you cry (assuming you are a human beign with some compassion for other members of your species and cohabitants of your planet) this is a “global village” and the US is the strongest member of the community. it is her responsibility to aid and uplift those who are suffering. as the most powerful member of the United Nations she must insure that justice and human decency are upheld throughout the world. and there my friend, you have just asked the US to remove saddam hussein from power so he can no longer abuse fellow members of the human race who have the misfortune of living within his sphere of influence. i’m sure you will agree with me now, that we really cannot have our cake and eat it too. in order to restore basic human rights to people in the Iraq vicinity who are not members of the bath party we have two options: ask saddam very nicely to do the right thing or remove him from power, and unfortunately weapons inspections are not going to remove him from his position of power. removal is going to require military action in the form of war. so there you have it my “middle of the road”, “global community”, “bleeding heart liberal” friends (and i do feel there is room in our relationship for friendship despite our political differences) i have just clarified the issue and pointed out the proper position for you to take on it. now you can protest that george w. has not done enough to free Iraq and liberate her people and that this military campaign is long overdue not because of the threat of “weapons of mass destruction” or “terrorism” but simply because saddam hussein has been a very bad boy and needs to have a long time out. my opinion, and it is not mere opinion, is still either the love ‘em (fully) or leave ‘em (completely) philosophy. setting up puppet governments like the one in Iraq is just not good karma. all this drivel comes to you courtesy of a very patriotic american who believes we may be making some serious errors. oh yeah, and britboy who thinks that France, Germany, and China ought to invade the US. China has an enormous army, but getting them to US shores is another question and France and Germany just do not have the military power or reach to attempt anything of the sort. your best bets are for Canada and Mexico to form a coalitional force and attack the US on two fronts with support from the rest of the anti-American world. the only problem with that is that the US has been floating the Mexican gov’t for the past 30 years and Canada is going through a fairly messy divorce of sorts.

    much love to all,

    one very humble fool

  • Ron

    I’m a Canadian, and anti-war, except in self-defence. Since the double whammy of the Iraq-Iran war (in which the U.S backed and armed Saddam Hussein) and the Persian Gulf War, Iraq has been a danger to nobody except those of its citizens who oppose Saddam Hussein’s regime. Incidentally, in Iraq, as formerly in Nazi Germany and Bolshevik Russia, there is freedom of speech. Everybody everywhere has always been able to say exactly what they want at any time in the venue of their choosing — if they’re willing to pay the price. In Iraq, the price is your life; in America, the price can be your livelihood. My advice: Before you exercise your God-given freedom of speech, make sure you can afford your principles.

    Our prime minister up here waffled around before finally saying we wouldn’t send our people into Iraq without UN approval, which I think is correct. It’s up to the UN, not any member state, to decide under its own rules of procedure when, how or if to enforce its own resolutions.

    Then our prime minister said he respected America’s right to do what it wants with regard to Iraq. I still haven’t figured out where he’s trying to stand on the Iraq issue.

    America is doing exactly what it likes in Iraq — just because it can. In my opinion, that makes America, the world’s only superpower, the world’s most heavily armed and dangerous rogue state — ready, willing and able to take out any government at any time under Bush’s ‘pre-emptive strike’ foreign policy. If Bush decides Canada is too communistic or socialistic and has natural resources he wants, he declares us a threat to America, exercises his ‘pre-emptive strike’ foreign policy and takes us out in less than a week. Simple, quick & easy.

    As for Iraq, I don’t think anybody knows what Washington’s real agenda is over there, other than to remove Saddam Hussein, which is a good thing. But after watching ‘shock and awe’ take out downtown Baghdad, I have to wonder if the cure isn’t worse than the disease. And if too many body bags start unloading at Dover Air Force Base, I wonder how long the 70% of Americans who support this war (according to the latest CNN poll) will continue to do so.

    Americans should remember that although we aren’t sending our guys into Iraq, we did send them into Afghanistan with yours after 9/11, though ours had to hitch a ride over on your planes because our military up here is so small and under-equipped, I’d be surprised if we could field a full division. The general thinking is that if Canada is attacked, America would protect us in its own interests. That’s likely true.

    Anyway, the attack on Iraq is a reality; it’s happening, so we have to get used to it for awhile. I just hope not too many people on either side get killed in this useless, stupid war and that not too much real estate is destroyed. No objective that comes to mind seems worth it. It has to rank as one of the stupidest wars the U.S. has fought in modern times, with the exception of Viet Nam.

    I don’t know who today would fault the millions in America and abroad who protested that war (‘Hey, hey, LBJ. How many kids you kill today?’), protested it until the U.S. had to declare victory, pull out and let Ho Chi Minh’s people take over the place. Meanwhile, 55,000 good American studs lost their lives and thousands more were maimed for life. And for what????

    I say let the old impotent politicians duke it out; let the young guys live in peace and enjoy breeding their babies, creating life and not death.

  • kate

    Many people need to be reminded that what you’ve read was a satire. I think posting it without a “pre-warning” to that effect was irresponsible. I’m just glad Natalie had an opinion. Too many people today don’t have the courage to question, comment and analyze what is going on around them. The fact that she actually apologized shows that Natalie can see past her own nose. We’ve all said things out loud that we wished we hadn’t, Bush included I’m sure. It doesn’t matter really whether she’s sorry she said it or thought it. What matters is that she tried to do what she thought was best in the end. It is humbling to apologize and those of you vilifying her should be ashamed of yourselves. You are doing exactly what you are condemning.

  • Joan

    I am not an American, and my country is not at war. Whether we like it or not, there is a war going on. Was there ever a question of preventing this war? Probably not. I cried when I watched the World Trade Center fall, I cried when I watched the first American troops leave their families. I feel great sorrow when my children happen to see the front page of the newspaper, and I pray that their innocence is intact. I pray that the troops in Iraq return to the families safely and soon, and I also pray for the children in Iraq, who make up over 40% of their population.

  • Tony

    Dan, I am truly embarrassed to say we are from the same America! Your tough guy attitude is what makes the rest of the world get the wrong idea of what America is all about! Vent your anger in therapy, not with threats to innocent people. Try to develop some compassion for others. America has got everything, and you’ve got it too good to realize how bad conditions are for others. Maybe you should learn more about life before you threaten others like you do. Quit spreading hate, the world has too much of that already. We are trying to save the Iraqi people, nothing else… We have to support those that need help. We aren’t trying to take over anybody; man, when you have something constructive to say, then say it. Until then, think about it…

  • Sane View

    I am of Canadian descent, though I’m ashamed to say it now, and I’m proudly AMERICAN by birth. The majority of the posters here are whining, snivelling liberals who, in a properly run country, would be up against the wall with a last cigarette.

    As for you, Dan, you talk tough, but you’re as much a weenie as the rest of them. You talk about rights. Rights come from superior force, and we Americans have rights because we can whup the ass of anybody that tries to take them away. But the Constitution means NOTHING without our hardworking troops and our superior weaponry to defend it. And that’s what they’re doing, and what President Bush is doing. Let me remind you of one thing: what Natalie Maines did is not an exercise of rights, it’s not freedom of speech. It is TREASON. Criticism of the President on the brink of a war is a traitorous act.

    George W. Bush is the greatest President in the history of this great country because he has the manhood to USE the power that our government and country have. Listen, all you whiny liberals and peaceniks: there is a New World Order coming, in which American will stand tall and will take what it needs, when it needs it, without having to grovel before the altar of international opinion. You can be part of this new order, or you can be stepped on. I sincerely hope that after Iraq and Afghanistan, we turn to the countries that have betrayed us: Canada, France, Germany. (Hey, we’ve whupped them before!)

    Remember the faces of the peaceniks, the liberals, the Democrats, and the so-called “centrist” Republicans. These are the faces of our new enemies, and we will deal with them!

    Traitors can’t hide!

  • foolio

    this just keeps getting stranger and stranger. “up against a wall with a last cigarette” for holding an opinion in the most advanced civilization, with a representative form of government, this planet has ever witnessed? you have got to be truly out of your mind.

    george w. is not the greatest president ever and saying so is not treason. questioning the actions of our government is not only our right but our responsibility as Americans. the government and the military derive their great power from “we the people” and letting them run pell-mell across the globe without oversight or restraint is irresponsible on our part. delegating that responsibility to the UN is also irresponsible.

    much love to all,

    one very humble fool

  • Canadian Girl

    I think it’s hilarious reading these comments. All you Americans freaking out about free speech and such. Although I don’t agree with the timing of her statement, it’s been blown way out of proportion. I can’t believe the stupidity of some of these posts. Just goes to show that people believe everything they read or hear….even when clearly marked SATIRE, meaning it’s NOT TRUE. I think the Dixie Chicks are not all that great, but holy crap, worry about your children, or the starving kids in your streets, or the fact that your country is at war(which I believe Canada should be supporting), do not worry about a statement made by a singer. There are soo many other things to spend your time on. Maybe that’s one of the biggest problems today. Not caring about the important things.

  • Mike

    I agree with Natalie Maines. Let’s let Saddam and his henchmen stay in power, so they can continue to terrorize, rape and murder the citizens of Iraq. Let’s continue to stand by and turn our backs on these people. Even though we are blessed with the resources to make a difference in the world, lets do nothing. Would that make you proud of your president and proud to be an American?

    Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing. And just as Natalie has the right to say what she wants, I also have the right to buy what I want and radio stations have the right to play what they want. Don’t publicly voice your opinion and then get mad when others voice theirs.

  • Sane View

    I am of Canadian descent, though I’m ashamed to say it now, and I’m proudly AMERICAN by birth. The majority of the posters here are whining, snivelling liberals who, in a properly run country, would be up against the wall with a last cigarette.

    As for you, Dan, you talk tough, but you’re as much a weenie as the rest of them. You talk about rights. Rights come from superior force, and we Americans have rights because we can whup the ass of anybody that tries to take them away. But the Constitution means NOTHING without our hardworking troops and our superior weaponry to defend it. And that’s what they’re doing, and what President Bush is doing. Let me remind you of one thing: what Natalie Maines did is not an exercise of rights, it’s not freedom of speech. It is TREASON. Criticism of the President on the brink of a war is a traitorous act.

    George W. Bush is the greatest President in the history of this great country because he has the manhood to USE the power that our government and country have. Listen, all you whiny liberals and peaceniks: there is a New World Order coming, in which American will stand tall and will take what it needs, when it needs it, without having to grovel before the altar of international opinion. You can be part of this new order, or you can be stepped on. I sincerely hope that after Iraq and Afghanistan, we turn to the countries that have betrayed us: Canada, France, Germany. (Hey, we’ve whupped them before!)

    Remember the faces of the peaceniks, the liberals, the Democrats, and the so-called “centrist” Republicans. These are the faces of our new enemies, and we will deal with them!

    Traitors can’t hide!

  • Sane View

    blah blah blah! bliagh blauogh blew blong. hi i’m sane view in case you haven’t read my post yet. blah blah! blah blah die traitors! blah blah blah death to thought blah. BLAH! blah blah die opposite view blah blah! blah blah blah opinions independet of media tainting are irrelevant blah blah. blah blah blah die democrats and commies! BLAH! once again this is sane view wishing you would read my post and take it seriously.

  • LadyB

    I, really don’t listen to county music however, since I teach school I felt it was necessary to understand what types of music worked for the students that I taught. My point is that this is Americia and if itrs the President we are upset with or not thge US COnstitution allows for you to voice your point of view. Oh, I forget when you steal and election you want to be like the person you are trying to run out of office Sadam.
    My point is there was no reason for Natalie, to to apologize for how she really feel. Its ashame that more people don’t have the courage to do that. Bush does not have any reason to be in office and most of my community feels that way. We are in Iraq, trying to help their country what about ours. Why do I still visit Africian American communities and drugs are still very visible and people are still living in public houses and their weekly take is my yearly salary. So do I have aproblem being in another country and spending dollars that should be used to liberate the poor and afflected in the cities and give our people aids that they can use and stop making people write 100 hundred pages grants to get help or the little 50cents that might come with it. I have a problem when children come to school dirty and their parents are only thirteen years older than they are. So before we continue to try and justify why we are helping Iraq, or anyone when we are we as a nation going to look in our own front yards. The back yard is our run. Natalies and anyone the have issue with Mr. Bush, shoould be allowed to express how they feel and all of the high and might need to remember that Bush, did not get the popular vote he got the white vote and slid into office thats no secret.

  • LadyB

    I, really don’t listen to county music however, since I teach school I felt it was necessary to understand what types of music worked for the students that I taught. My point is that this is Americia and if itrs the President we are upset with or not thge US COnstitution allows for you to voice your point of view. Oh, I forget when you steal and election you want to be like the person you are trying to run out of office Sadam.
    My point is there was no reason for Natalie, to to apologize for how she really feel. Its ashame that more people don’t have the courage to do that. Bush does not have any reason to be in office and most of my community feels that way. We are in Iraq, trying to help their country what about ours. Why do I still visit Africian American communities and drugs are still very visible and people are still living in public houses and their weekly take is my yearly salary. So do I have aproblem being in another country and spending dollars that should be used to liberate the poor and afflected in the cities and give our people aids that they can use and stop making people write 100 hundred pages grants to get help or the little 50cents that might come with it. I have a problem when children come to school dirty and their parents are only thirteen years older than they are. So before we continue to try and justify why we are helping Iraq, or anyone when we are we as a nation going to look in our own front yards. The back yard is our run. Natalies and anyone the have issue with Mr. Bush, shoould be allowed to express how they feel and all of the high and might need to remember that Bush, did not get the popular vote he got the white vote and slid into office thats no secret.

  • foolio

    ladyb, your assertation that george w. did not win the popular vote is without merit as we do not live in a democracy. we live in a republic. both are forms of representative government but a republic has the distinct advantage of diminishing the power of the majority in an effort to avoid “mob rule”. as a member of a racial minority (i’m simply assuming your a member of a racial minority from your post) this is a safeguard of your rights.

    the representatives you elect do not have an obligation to vote as you would vote were you in congress, she or he has the obligation of voting their conscience (unfortunately voting their pocketbooks is a bipartisan epidemic). you have the right and resposibility to vote for the representative you feel is honorable, just and wise.

    please help your students learn this. a nation who’s population is ignorant of their government is ripe for subjegation.

    much love to all,

    one very humble fool

  • http://www.liberalsneedmentalhelp.com E

    How did Clinton create jobs in his tenor? Ohhh, I forgot…Gore created the Internet. I get so sick and tired of hearing this hoop-lah about the economy. Greenspan allowed the bubble to grow at the rate it did and Clinton popped it prior to departure from Presidency. Clinton didn’t create anything but scandals and cum stained dresses. He deployed more troops then ANY other President in history, yet accomplished nothing, never knew how to allow troops to finish what they started. Myabe you were watching to much ABC (Always Bill CLinton) or perhaps CNN (Clinton National Network).

    So many liberals, so little time, you make me sick.

  • NY girl

    I can’t believe that the Dixie Chicks had the nerve to say that at one of their concerts. They should have thought about what they were saying before opening their big mouths. I was a fan of the Dixie Chicks but now I refuse to buy their CD’s or even go to one of their concerts. Maybe they forgot about what happened on 9/11 and how we lost so many innocent peoples lives. I think the war is for a good reason, even though innocent people once again will lose their lives because of the jerk in Iraq. Bush is just doing what needs to be done. The Dixie Chicks should think about all those troops over there that are doing their jobs and how they protect us. I think they should just end their career now because they had just lost alot of fans.

  • foolio

    finally someone on a message board who realizes that an economy doesn’t go improve overnight or go bad in the same time period. clinton rode the crest of reganomics and poor george w. is stuck in the trough of liberally stimulated federal spending. so while i will not agree that he is a wise and judicious president i don’t think blaming him for the current economic climate is fair at all.

  • sue

    is freedom of each equal to freedom of hate ?

  • sue

    sorry – that’s feedom of speech = freedom to hate?

  • foolio

    sure it is. your freedoms are intact until they begin to encroach on anothers right to life, liberty and the pusuit of happiness.

  • sue

    hasn’t hate been the major encorachement to the pursuit of happiness throughout history ?

  • foolio

    the emotion hate? no it hasn’t. peoples weak willed inability to act in a decorus manner in spite of emotions? yes it has

  • Katy

    I must say….Well the Dixie Chics have seen better days Im sure. As one comment above said ya dont bite the hand that feeds ya. Im wondering how she would feel about the president, (since she cut her own throat) when shes on welfare and food stamps,or living on unemployment because of her own idiocy. Whats she gonna think of the president then????????????

  • foolio

    if you are going to limit a persons “freedom to hate” you are going to have to find an effective way of legislating emotion. i disagree with hate crimes too, but once legislation tries to find it’s way into the very personal realm of my emotions i am afraid it has overstepped it’s bounds.

  • Jim

    Some of you should read this.

    —– Original Message —–
    > > Great article by an Iranian!
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    > > > ANTI-WAR OR ANTI-U.S.?
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    > > > By AMIR TAHERI
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    > > >
    > > > March 5, 2003 — ‘THE rebirth of the peace movement.” This is how
    > sections of the Western media describe the marches that attracted 30
    million
    > people in some 600 cities, in 25 countries, across the globe in recent
    weeks.
    > > >
    > > > Last week, a group of “peaceniks” gathered in London to discuss ways
    of
    > > > nursing the “reborn” child into adulthood. By coincidence, today marks
    > the 50th anniversary of Josef Stalin’s death.
    > > >
    > > > The Soviet dictator was the father of the first “peace movement,”
    which
    > > > for years served as an instrument of the Kremlin’s global policy.
    > > >
    > > > Stalin’s “peace movement” was launched in 1946 at a time when he had
    not
    > > > yet developed a nuclear arsenal and was thus vulnerable to a U.S.
    nuclear
    > > > attack. Stalin also needed time to consolidate his hold on his newly
    > > > conquered empire in eastern and central Europe while snatching chunks
    of
    > > > territory in Iran.
    > > >
    > > > Pablo Picasso, a “fellow traveler” with the French Communist Party,
    > > > designed the famous dove of peace as the emblem of the movement.
    French
    > > > poet Paul Eluard, another fellow traveler, composed an ode inspired by
    > > > Stalin. The “peaceniks” were told to wear white shirts, release white
    > > > doves during their demonstrations and shake their clenched fists
    against
    > > > “imperialists and revanchistes.”
    > > >
    > > > Soon it became clear that the “peace movement” was not opposed to all
    > > > wars, but only to those that threatened the U.S.S.R., its allies and
    its
    > > > satellites.
    > > >
    > > > For example, the peaceniks did not object to Stalin’s decision to keep
    > the entire Chechen nation in exile in Siberia. The peaceniks did not march
    > to ask Stalin to withdraw his forces from Iranian Azerbaijan and
    Kurdistan.
    > > > When Stalin annexed 15 percent of Finland’s territory, none of the
    > > > peaceniks protested.
    > > >
    > > > Neither did they march when the Soviets annexed the Baltic states. Nor
    > did they grumble when Soviet tanks rolled into Warsaw and Budapest, and a
    > > > decade later also in Prague. But when America led a coalition under a
    > U.N. mandate to prevent North Korean Communists from conquering the south,
    > > > peaceniks were on the march everywhere.
    > > >
    > > > The movement targeted Western democracies and sought to weaken their
    > > > resolve against the Soviet threat.
    > > >
    > > > Over the years nobody marched against any of the client regimes of the
    > > > Soviet Union that engaged in numerous wars, including against their
    own
    > > > people.
    > > >
    > > > The wars that China’s Communist regime waged against the peoples of
    > > > Manchuria, Tibet, East Turkestan and Inner Mongolia, lands that were
    > > > eventually annexed and subjected to “ethnic cleansing,” provoked no
    > > > protest marches. Even when China attacked India and grabbed Indian
    > > > territories the size of England, the peace movement did not budge.
    > > >
    > > > In the 1960s the movement transformed itself into the campaign for
    > > > unilateral nuclear disarmament. Here, unilateral meant that only the
    > > > Western powers had to give up their arsenal, thus giving the Soviets a
    > > > monopoly on nuclear weapons.
    > > >
    > > > The peaceniks spent much of the ’60s opposing U.S. intervention in
    > > > Vietnam.
    > > >
    > > > The 1980s gave them a new lease on life, as they focused on opposing
    > > > American Pershing missiles in Western Europe.
    > > >
    > > > The Pershings represented a response to Soviet SS-20 missiles that had
    > > > already been stationed in central Europe and aimed at Western European
    > > > capitals. But the peaceniks never asked for both the Pershings and the
    > > > SS-20s to be withdrawn, only the American missiles.
    > > >
    > > > President Ronald Reagan’s proposal that both the SS-20s and the
    Pershings
    > > > be withdrawn was attacked and ridiculed by the peaceniks as “an
    American
    > > > Imperialist trick.” Francois Mitterrand, then France’s Socialist
    > > > president, put it this way: “The missiles are in the East but the
    > > > peaceniks are in the West!”
    > > >
    > > > No peacenik, not even Joschka Fischer, now Germany’s foreign minister,
    > > > marched in support of tearing down the Berlin Wall and allowing the
    > German nation to regain its unity.
    > > >
    > > > All that is now history. The “evil empire” of communism has gone for
    > good, but the deep anti-West sentiments that it promoted over the decades
    > > > remains.
    > > >
    > > > It is this anti-West, more specifically anti-American, sentiment that
    > > > provides the glue of the new peace movement.
    > > >
    > > > Last month, the British daily The Guardian asked a number of peaceniks
    > to explain why they opposed the use of force to liberate Iraq?
    > > >
    > > > The main reason they felt they had to support Saddam Hussein was that
    he
    > > > was disliked by the United States.
    > > >
    > > > When the Tanzanian army invaded Uganda and removed Idi Amin from
    power,
    > no one marched because the United States was not involved.
    > > >
    > > > When the Vietnamese army invaded Cambodia and changed the Khmer Rouge
    > > > regime there, no one marched. Again, the United States was not
    involved.
    > > >
    > > > When French troops invaded the Central African Republic and changed
    its
    > > > regime, again no one marched.
    > > >
    > > > The reason? You guessed it: America was not involved.
    > > >
    > > > And what about a march in support of the Chechens? Oh, no, that won’t
    > do: The United States is not involved.
    > > >
    > > > The peace movement would merit the label only if it opposed all wars,
    > > > including those waged by tyrants against their own people, not just
    > those in which America is involved.
    > > >
    > > > Did it march when Saddam Hussein invaded Iran? Not at all.
    > > >
    > > > Did it march when Saddam invaded Kuwait? Again: nix!
    > > >
    > > > (Later, they marched, with the slogan “No Blood for Oil,” when the
    > > > U.S.-led coalition came to liberate Kuwait.)
    > > >
    > > > Did it march when Saddam was gassing the Kurds to death? Oh, no.
    > > >
    > > > Stalin died 50 years ago to the day.
    > > >
    > > > But if he were around today he would have a chuckle: His peace
    movement
    > > > remains as alive in the Western democracies as it was half a century
    ago.
    > > >
    > > > Iranian author and journalist Amir Taheri is based in Europe.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >

  • sue

    but isn’t that what hate does? I don’t mean ‘dislike’. I mean blind hate…..
    Does it not make people be ‘weak willed’ in their actions toward others. Freedom of speech is a great thing, unfortunately we have to hear the idiots along the way too

  • foolio

    ok, make hate a felony. and now tell me how you’re going to enforce it.

  • sue

    no foolio, i didn’t imply that emotions should be regulated. Just that the ‘bad’ has to be taken with the ‘good’ in every freedom. Like the freedom and war.

  • Lola

    >Posted by: Tigressof Texas They teach patriotism in Texas. Natalie Maines must of missed it. Also she does not have a clue to what her she is saying she is from Austin one of the Biggest party towns and home of the Bush girls. I dare her to show her face around town. I bet she hung with them. But also this is the same person who has chicken feet tattoos on her feet. So maybe she has a brain the size of a chicken. <

    Hell yeah, they teach patriotism in Texas, but they also teach freedom of speech or were you absent on that day.

    I can promise you sweetie, that if Miss Maine was to come to town in Austin she would be warmly welcomed and commended for her remarks. As for the Austin comment, maybe that is why dubya wanted to be governor there since he is no stranger to whiskey and coke. To bad he did not have the insight to take a couple of classes in grammar, and geography at UT while there.

    Tigress of Texas, I sure hope you sign up for a class at UT too and learn the true meaning or patriotism, the Constitution of the United States, and a course in manners 101 wouldn’t hurt you either. Anyone can voice their opinion about the president, and it is not called unpatriotic.

    By the way sweetheart, the chicks are still riding high on the charts with their brand new album, so someone must agree with them.

  • foolio

    spot on sue.

  • sue

    have we not seen celebrities wear various freedom of speech t-shirts that said as much as what Natalie did….? Does the typed word not carry as much atettion as the spoken one?

  • DEBORAH

    I would like to take this time to not talk about a dixie chick,but to make a comment to britishboy
    And i do mean boy,you little selfserving,closeminded,self centered pussy,why don’t you keep your euro thought to yourself,you sound pissed to me,because america can kick your ass and you know it.WE ARE THE TOP COUNTRY AND DON’T YOU FORGET IT.

  • Charles in Houston

    At least Bush isn’t out having mile high Air Force One parties and the White House isn’t some sort of dysfunctional soriority, anymore.

  • foolio

    yes. and the dixie chicks would not have caught the flak they have if they played industrial goth music because the audience paying attention to them would have cared much less. the meat and potatoes audience of the dixie chicks is much less forgiving of anyone who dare question the authority of the commander in chief. you see we expect as much from “long haired coke addicts” wearing tight leather pants and too much makeup. the dixie chicks though were america’s girls so the percieved hurt is so much more. hey i still like the chick’s music, they are great musicians (two of them are anyways) and i dont think the US should be involved in a lot of the foreign policy it has entangled it’s self in. the main faults i see with the remarks which have sparked such controversy is that they were inarticulate and insincere. i think she was jumping on the anti-war hollywood bandwagon. the article posted above if it is accurate sheds a new light on the anti-war movement and it’s motivations.

  • DEBORAH

    PEOPLE
    PLEASE GET OVER YOURSELVES.YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING,YOU DON’T KNOW ANYMORE THAN ANYONE ELSE.GET OVER YOURSELVES.WHO CARES WHAT DIXIE SAID,YOU ALL GET SO ANGRY.LIBERALS,DEM,REPULICANS,GET OVER,HELL,WE ALL LIVE IN THE SAME COUNTRY,WE SHOULD TRY TO WORK TOGETHER,BUT EVERYONE WANTS TO BLAME SOMEONE.BUT THEY WANT SOMEONE ELSE TO DO THE WORK FOR THEM,AFTER CLINTON.REALLY WHO HAS A RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT BUSH,ATLEAST HE IS NOT IN THE WHITE HOUSE WITH HIS PANTS DOWN,HE IS TRYING TO LOOKOUT FOR HIS COUNTRY,SO I SAY GIVE HIM AN A FOR EFFORT

  • Charles in Houston

    Sorry about the repeats. Not that I really give a flip about the Dixie Chunks, it kept saying ‘server timed out’, so I kept hitting ‘post’ :)

  • foolio

    A for effort, D+ for foresight.

  • Dew

    I continue to see how people say we should back Georgie Boy, but he isn’t the one fighting neither are his precious ‘sober’ little girls. It was Bush’s idea to throw us head first into this war and no matter how its paraphrased the fact of the matter is that his only justification is that ‘some’ lives lost now are better than ‘some’ lives lost in God knows when(the future). That reasoning is pretty thin if you ask me. I love being an American and get this I’m BLACK (whoa!) but I do not agree with Bush or his regime, my bad, I mean advisors. I completely back the troops, they have a job to do, I do not support this folly of a war, especially when North Korea has weapons of mass destruction (admittedly)and paranoid Pyongyang is sitting on an itchy trigger finger and poor saddam (little s) is just a big man with a small labido who is trying to over-compensate who coincidently runs the world leader in oil production. Co-inky-dink maybe?.

    Our celebrities, especially our artists, should be more political. In days of old you could look to the song writers, poets, and authors to speak out against the imperfections of our society be it right or left wing, right or wrong. We the people looked to them for that purpose but now we have become complacent, when if truth be told we should be concerned that more of our pseudo riche have not spoken out about the world around them. Probably too busy detailing their benzes(little b), but I digress.

    Natalie Maines had every right to speak her opinion not only on the grounds that that is what this country is built on, but ironically because that freedom is one we are trying to afford the Iraqi people.

    “Life, it seems, is not without irony” – Morpheus

    I love this frikking country, I get to say what I want to say in an open forum as thus and laugh at all those who disagree- ahhhhhh The American way!!

  • Dew

    Oooh yea, THE DIXIE CHICS RULE!!!

    I just couldn’t resist…lol

  • Rudy

    lol france, russia and china invade america…what a joke a bunch of fags, a people trapped in the industrial revolution and a country lead by a communist sociopath, nice.

  • MELISS

    At least Bush isn’t out having mile high Air Force One parties and the White House isn’t some sort of dysfunctional soriority, anymore.

    Posted by: Charles in Houston on March 23, 2003 10:20 AM

    Wow, so thats your criteria for a president. Obviously you do not know much about dubya, frat boy, (skull and bones), heavy drinker, one business failure after the other. This is a man who couldnt find oil in Texas. You go nuts when someone makes a statement about this goverment but you turn a blind eye to the lies, dirty dealing, and coverups that this goverment is responsible for. Look up info on dubyas “military career”. His daddy took care of the dirty little messes that dubya made. God help us who is going to clean up this mess.

  • W

    Thank you Jim for sending on the column from the journalist. This has cemented what I have been thinking all along.
    W in USA

  • Lolo

    Oh my, I haven’t laughed this much in a long time. It’s always interesting to me how so often those who oppose liberal viewpoints resort to name-calling and finger-pointing…Ack! call me a liberal..noooooooooooo!!!! *gasping for air here, mortal damage inflicted* It’s such an effective means of validating their own knowledge!

    But really, this is satire, but even if it wasn’t, we have the right to speak our minds, we have the right to express our opinions, and we have the right to bash or support our president, who probably has the lowest IQ of any president in history.

  • Roxy

    Wish Natalie had said it… I’d have ten times more respect for her. The conservatives in this country were merciless in their nasty and personal pursuit of the Clintons. In 20/20 hindsight, they should have done what Cheney and Karl Rove did when questioned about their meetings, practices, etc…. arrogantly ignored us “little people” as not deserving of an answer.
    I’m sick and tired of flag wavers telling people with differing opinions that they are un-American. The right to dissent is the essence of America… aren’t we pretending that we’re going to Iraq to liberate the people there so they can have differing opinions? Listen up right-wingers–this time you can’t usurp the flag…. we all get to keep it, whether we agree with you or not. If you’re not comfortable with that, then this time you can “love it or leave it”. We’re sticking around!

  • Jewel

    I just spent way to much time reading this. It amazes me that people could rant and rave about anything this long. Who cares what she said, she is a person who is permitted to speak. All day yesterday they were showing protesters of the war, they got to say what they wanted and some of it was beyond stupid!! The say that war is killing the innocent men, women, and children, I agree it is. But what did “so dame insane” do to his own people?? The not so funny thing is that right in your own very country, killings and abortions and every other evil of the world, that happen go on with no protesting. What if all the celebrities spoke out against these things would we all spend this much time talking about it?? The USA is a good country, no such thing in the best till there is no hate, killing, anger and just plain evil no longer exists.

  • http://please m.o.m.

    hello there if not supporting prez bush for brains is not good for american moral then what the hell are the fighting for in iraq because last i heard we are trying to help those who don’t like being put to death for not agreeing with there leader so must we like our prez no… we put up with him because people in florida can’t read a ballot ( because another bush sits in goverment office perhaps )anyway i love my contry and everything about it yes i am ashamed bush speaks for our country as its leader but i know that he can’t kill me for that opinon but can the people of iraq say the same . if you past a parent beating there child in front of you would you walk by and say it was none of your bizzzzness that they have different parenting skills as you that eventually the kids will get enough and do something or let somebody else deal with it … or would you help the child ( especialy knowing that if you don’t the child can come to be just as abusive if not more than the parent) i hate war but i hate hitler , saddam , stalin, and any other who kills innocents for sex, religon , race,oh and eye color…bush will eventualy go down in history like his daddy as far as him being honest well lets see he is a drunck he is still a drunck but according to him he is cured .. i don’t know much about texans but around the rest of the way just because you don’t drink anymore doesn’t take the problem away remember one day at a time not i quit so i’m done your not cured mr. bush head jr. just dormat till then honesty is just a step away from being totaly sober…

  • s

    Mary Walsh – 22 Minutes (also a satrical show)
    “There’s a village in Texas missing its idiot”

    Freedom of speech – lovely thing all over the world. Perhaps the reason why I object to what the US is doing, is the people inside the US who promise/threaten to “wup ass” of anyone who disagrees with this action; slandering their own celebrities, Canadians, French or anyone else who disagrees. Makes me wonder, who is next!?!?!? And certain comments on this posting only cement this feeling. We should be past the age of empire building.

    Only sorry that she apologized!

  • Daisy

    I support our military people ll0%
    always have, always will. I protest
    Georgie’s absolute determination to go to war on a country where there is no proof that country did anything to us.
    The fact they MIGHT do something someday is stupid. There are a lot of countries that MIGHT do something….a pretty good guess would be No. Korea, just for one. So are we going to hop over and bomb them? I don’t think so
    because Korea doesn’t have OIL.

  • RED

    I’m sorry to see that there are so many people in this country who prefer to be deaf, dumb and stupid when it comes to this war. If you have watched over the years you will see the things that Saddam has done to his own people. The man is a murderer and tyrant. He will use what ever he has to get what he wants. He hides behind his own people knowing we will not hurt them to get him. People, if you are so against this war, move to Iraq.

  • Lola

    At least Bush isn’t out having mile high Air Force One parties and the White House isn’t some sort of dysfunctional soriority, anymore. posted by charlie.

    Charlie ol boy, you better take a look at your canidates heavy drinking and drugging past along with his many awols from the national guard unit he never attended when he was trying to shirk his duties in vietnam.
    Hmm, he stole an election, then brought this country right down the toliet ever since.

    Have you ever asked your self what he was washing that pretzel down with when he fell off the couch and bumped his head. He is an admitted alcoholic so yeah that makes me feel better that he is running the country.

    Lola

  • Wanda

    You go Natalie! I suspect that a good portion of what she said is going to get her into even deeper water, but what the heck? The truth hurts sometimes.
    In regards to slamming the prezz, well too bad, comes with the job. All your reviews can’t be good.
    In regards to the war, well if it weren’t for the tragic loss of life, this would almost be comical. From the looks of things the Iraqi’s don’t have to fire a shot. We will beat ourselves. And we are still no closer to finding and removing Saddam. Oh yeah this is going real well.
    I suspect in the long run,Natalie’s remarks are going to be the least of dubya’s worries.
    Unlike Natalie however, I am not ashamed that dubya is from Texas. I am ashamed that he somehow managed to get appointed President!

  • http://www.geocities.com/snickerdoddle1/index.html? Wanda

    One more time, this time with my ‘url’. Again I say, “You go Natalie”. Telling it like it is might not win you a popularity contest, but maybe you can get appointed “Best Country Trio”

  • Delia

    I live in Lubbock, Texas and am ashamed that one of our own could be so arrogant and hateful. She comes from a good, upstanding family who is very respected here and they must be humiliated by her behavior. If she has so little respect for the people (Rednecks in her mind) that have supported her over the years, why did she ever choose to sing country music. I hope she has enjoyed her fame up until now because I can’t see her ever being able to recover from this. I am glad this has come out so I don’t have to give any of my hard earned money to Natalie, or France for that matter. All I can say Natalie is please don’t ever come “home”!!!

  • bill hull

    Natalie
    I would not care what you said if you had ever stopped to read a newspaper or watch the news on TV. My guess is that you heard this from some
    Hollywood Liberal & so you thought it was a fact.
    I feel sorry for you & your stupid remarks about the President..

  • joe canadian

    when did the us kick canada’s ass? 1812 was a canadian victory. damn americans and their lack of historical knowledge. bah

  • joni

    HELLO it is a satire. A celebirity has the right to her opinion, just as well as we do. I do no care if you are rich poor democrat or republican. We have freedom of speech in this country. No president has ever been free from criticism and that is the price you pay for being the president. Everything you do effects a group of people who have their own minds and the right to speak them. She was stating her opinion which other people in this world share with her She is a HUMAN BEING let her be. no one else has to apologize for having an opinion so why should she be any different. I applaud the person who wrote this and those that were offended by this should look up the word satire in the dictionary!!!!!!!!

  • http://TeresaUSA Teresa

    I am anti war not anti American troops there is a difference. I want to make damn sure we exhaust every avenue before we send men and women over to a country to die. That’s it. Because we want peace for everyone we are branded traitors and unpatriotic. I care for these men and women as much as anyone, both here and abroad. My family is a military family and background, I know what it costs and what they do. But as ong as there is 1/1000000000000000. of a chance to not kill, then lets do it , who in the hell cares how long it takes.

  • Just a guy with an opinion

    I swear that there is nothing in our history that is more deplorable than trying to ‘change’ another human being into your own way of thinking…whether it be governments or religion, our past has dictated that we are not learning from our mistakes, hence we shall keep repeating them. No country or way of life is perfect or the ‘right way’. Whether you are a brainwashed American or a brainwashed Iraqui…we are all imperfect creatures trying to figure out what the hell we’re doing here in the first place. People, life is too short to be clashing and trying to change each others minds…we’re all individual with basic human rights. No one person is any more important than another…I hope one day we all learn this.

  • Maureen

    I think everyone needs to relax. My god. Yes, Maines has every right to voice her opinion. This is America. Granted, it was not a nice thing to say, bashing our President to another country, it doesn’t make us look great. But she is an American, she has a right to voice her own opinion.
    However, the people who are standing up for our President and boycotting the Dixie Chicks because of this, have EVERY RIGHT to do so as well.
    And you people writing from other countries, mind your own business. Do you not have better things to do? Don’t you have your own controversies?! Butt out.

  • A. Wagner

    OK, all Chicks defenders, you helped to make them rich, now, listen to what they have to say. How stupid and ignorant are you to think, that they know samething about world politics? Nothing, they made a personal remark, that like all the defending remarks, is a personal attack. typically liberal and pathetic!!!Is is not obvious , that liberals are angry more and more irrelevant!!?? The chicks will find out what it means to loose 71% of their income.

  • Tim

    Boy..what a mess..OUR PRESIDENT is a good,morale man who is trying his best to guide this country in the right direction…UNLESS YOU’VE BENN IN A FOX HOLE AND LOOKED ACROSS THE WAY AT THE ENEMY..THEN SHUTUP AND LET THOSE OF US WHO HAVE DONE OT ARE DOING IT TAKE care of this Country..Bill Clinton should be in prison for his felonies…Thanks God For George W. Bush…

  • Tim

    Boy..what a mess..OUR PRESIDENT is a good,morale man who is trying his best to guide this country in the right direction…UNLESS YOU’VE BEEN IN A FOX HOLE AND LOOKED ACROSS THE WAY AT THE ENEMY..THEN SHUTUP AND LET THOSE OF US WHO HAVE DONE OT ARE DOING IT TAKE care of this Country..Bill Clinton should be in prison for his felonies…Thanks God For George W. Bush…

  • A Proud Canadian

    Maureen:
    Well maybe we would butt out if there weren’t people flinging around words like ‘kick a Canadian today.’ The last time I checked, we have the right to free speech as well. Which is what this whole stupid controversy is about.

  • SDFJ

    The Leviathan is upon us! Cast your fate upon the sea and seek its mercy for none shall escape its vast wrath!

    All heed Chicken Little; “The sky is falling! The sky is falling!”

    It’s all just a nefarious commy plot, bankrolled by right-wing nazi fascists with the backing of ultra conservative capitalist pigs being fed off the teet of public sector contracts purchased with graft, nepotism and cronyism and it is going to give the whole world over to religious zealot maniacs hiding behind the modern guise of industrial and technological advancement for the purpose of clamping down greedy unions being overrun with leftist liberal minorities.

    Britney sure has a cute li’l belly button. I wouldn’t mind slurping champagne off of it.

    I’m going for a pint, anyone care to join me?

  • ><

    The last time Canada sent troops over to support America, was to Afghanistan to fight the war on terrorism. What happened? Eight Canadian soldiers, dead, because of ‘friendly fire.’ So referring back to the comment that Dan made, “With friends like these, who needs enemies?!”

  • _

    With great power, comes great responsibility.

  • kd

    For those of you that weren’t smart enough to figure out the above statement was satire (NOT REAL), you really need to get a life. I am from Texas, and I support our troops 110%! I do not however support President Bush. He is arrogent, did NOTHING for Texas except leave us in a financial shambles, which he has already done for the rest of the US, and he has made the UN null and void.

    I support the Dixie Chicks, and Maines and went out and purchased 3 of their cd’s just to help the cause. BTW, I wouldn’t normally buy their music, but this was money well spent.

    If you support the Dixie Chicks, or free speech, go to this website and show it: http://www.petitiononline.com/chicks/petition.html.

    It’s a petition in support of the Dixie Chicks.

  • disable vet

    When they draft the OLD MEN & ALL WOMEN, all of a sudden their will be unlimited negociations!

  • TINK

    Natalie has a right to voice her opinion and everybody else has a right to respond. Please, Natalie open your mouth and let more bullshit roll out of it. ITS NOT CUTE TO BE IGNORANT. But if you think thats cute, please feel free. However, if you don’t like the response maybe you should rethink your statements.

  • joanne

    Maines is a hate filled ungrateful American. Thank GOD SHE IS IN THE MINORITY! I will never buy or listen to anything associated with her. She also is very stupid and very biased. It is clear that she is a Bush hater. Like it or not he is our president and deserves our respect. To go to a foreign country and dis our president shows lack of moral character.

  • Lola

    “I live in Lubbock, Texas and am ashamed that one of our own could be so arrogant and hateful. She comes from a good, upstanding family who is very respected here and they must be humiliated by her behavior. If she has so little respect for the people (Rednecks in her mind) that have supported her over the years, why did she ever choose to sing country music. I hope she has enjoyed her fame up until now because I can’t see her ever being able to recover from this.

    I bet her parents are very proud of her, I know I am. I feel you are in the minority in Lubbock, most people in Lubbock believe in the freedom of speech and the US constitution.

    And let me clue you in to something, she doen’t have to rebound from anything, she never fell. Every concert on there current tour is sold out and they just went to number 3 with a brand new album. I think you are the redneck for not stopping understanding that people have the right to voice there opinion about anyone, anytime, and anywhere and that includes the president.

    Adios,
    Lola

  • Annette in Canada

    Thank God Sane View is not a Canadian any more. Too bad, so sad for the US he has picked you as his home. Threats and such by citizens like him are what give a country a bad name.
    Most US citizens are normal, decent, hard-working people who don’t want to rule the world, or have the world rule them. So are most Canadians, French, Spanish, British, etc. And surprisingly enough, so are most of the peoples of the Middle East, as well.
    So, give us a break and find your “new world order” on some other planet.
    Let celebrities say what they like, who really cares? It is their personal opinion, not yours.

    All of us have idiots for heads of state. So What? Big deal, what else is new?

  • Eric

    Good God people, get a life. Who cares what was said…if you can’t take criticism go cry in the corner. IF you are the biggest in the house, have the stones to act like the responsible one instead of some sniviling, whining brat.

  • Robbersdog in Oakview

    All you knuckleheads foaming at the mouth one way or another about what Ms Maines said or did’nt say – Go to their website and read for yourselves what she actually said. There’s enough rubbish printed over the internet without you lot adding to it. Do your research and then spout your views.

  • Jewel

    Joanne (from three post up) and all you others you seem to forget 1 thing……

    RESPECT is earned not deserved. And just because he is pres doesn’t mean we all have to like him.

  • Liz in NH

    Most of you have your heads so far up your #ss that your brains are starving for oxygen. You wouldn’t know an original idea if it jumped right at you. Get a life. Back your President & your troops. They need it.

  • trinity

    I’m giving this link to those who want to read a very reasoned article on the war written by Michael Kelly, a famous British author, who really sums it up in my opinion. If you want to find out more about what Michael Kelly said, here’s the link:

    Michael Kelly’s War Opinion

    and for those of you who feel it’s getting a little too intense on these boards and would love a laugh:

    Free Competition: Win My Hand in Marriage

    by the same guy.

  • sue

    it’s a damn shame freedom of speech can’t always be a good thing. Does it always have to lead to grown ups sounding like a bunch of name calling kids on a playground???

  • Rosemarie Bitoon

    Dixie Chicks aren’t the only celebrity bashing the president. A lot of Hollywood celebrities (Streisand, Sarandon, Sheen, Clooney, Gere, Penn ) are also personally attacking the president. Most of these celebrities are Democrats and I think they’re doing it for political reasons. As a concerned citizen, I just ignore them and I don’t patronize their movies and concerts.

  • MMitchell

    I love the Chicks. But George W is doing our country proud by trying to stop this tyrant who has killed tens of thousands of people during his 28 years in power. Probably more. Natalie can think and say what she wants – it is a free country. My question to her is “What would she have done differently?” Let him go on killing? He would. Sanctions? Not working. Reduced monetary aid? Not working. Disarm him? Go to the UN? tried and failed. We have to stop him – one way or another. If she has a better way – let us know. But for now … George is doing it right.

  • Joey

    Just for the record, Mr. Brian Finneran: “Honorable” and “Bush” are two words that do not belong on the same page.

    Here are just THREE instances of Bush being dishonorable:

    a) Bush approved a scam to get himself into the White House by a Supreme Court-ordered coup d’etat;

    b) Bush has lied consistently about his so-called “trifecta” pledge during his campaign (no deficit spending unless there was a national emergency, a recession, or a war). Not only did he NEVER say that… he plagiarized his opponent, Gore. Yep, Bush stole that line from Gore and made it his own.

    c) When the Enron scandal first broke, Bush was asked about his relationship with Kenneth Lay, CEO of Enron. Bush said: “I do not know him”. This is a big whopper, because Lay was a regular caller upon Governor Bush in Austin.

    d) Here’s a bonus: what ever happened to Bush’s promise to fund the reconstruction of Afghanistan in this year’s budget? Answer: Bush cut the aid from this year’s budget.

    I would agree with the Dixie Chicks on this one, folks.

    P.S. By the way, when President Roosevelt was POTUS and led the country into WWII, there were MANY Republicans who blasted him for going to war. So please… spare us the “disrespecting POTUS” rhetoric.

  • Dorothy

    I think she just wanted to piss some people off. Well, She has! I’m one hacked off Texan! I used to think she was entertaining, but Her entertainment value dropped right out of sight for me. I Think she should stay out of Texas and Quit trying to look like Stevie Nicks. Stay in the big city and don’t go back to wide open spaces. We’ll never miss her!

  • http://www.internalammesty.org AFreeAmerican

    This is a comment to the statement Teresa stated … We as Americans have the right to state our opinion anywhere and everywhere … unlike the Iraqi citizens where if they speak out they will be either tortured or killed … if you don’t believe talk to a ex-Iraqi citizen who had to flee their homeland in fear of being killed for speaking his/her mind … not like you or myself in which we could without worrying about reputation for it .. i know, i live where there are 25,000 former Iraqi live and have spoke to many of them regarding their former homeland … so why don’t you come to these people and tell them why you have the right to speak your mind and be free and they can not due to them still have family there and they are afraid what will happen to their family there .. not everyone has FREEDOM like us

  • http://www.TexasGigs.com Cindy

    HoooWeeee Eric! Dude you so know how to stir the pot! What is this, like 50 comments?

    After I spewed my Diet Coke all over my computer screen in sheer guffaw, I forwarded this link to all of Texas. This some funny-ass sh*t man!
    xxox

  • j

    You people make me want to cry. Maybe America shouldn’t allow freedom of speech is this is what it does. Or maybe america ought to ban criticism instead, since none of you seem to be able to take it. I am proud that our prime Minister did not ask how high when bush said jump. I cried twice today when i saw the footage of those poor soldiers. The amount of hate here is horrid. But what do i know, i’m only Canadian. I wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for america protecting me from ?. Come on over and kick my canadian ass. There’s a little more satire for you, monsters.

  • Eric Olsen

    Glad you appreciate this down there in the heart of it all, C, brazos!

  • Julie

    **Her comments were lovely**

    Bush is an ass!

    And what the hell was up with various radio stations banning the dixie chicks? WOW, theyve insulted President Bush!!! If we had the media banning everything insulting to him, we wouldn’t be listening to anything! I mean SERIOUSLY?!?! Why didn’t they ban the tons of other celebrities voicing their opinion?

    And what’s with the outrage? It’s just another celebrity voicing their opinion. This is America.. where we’re allowed to VOICE OUR OPINION!!!

  • steve

    the young lady needs to grow up. she gives her opinion and record sales go down. so she turns around and apologies. no back bone. at least president bush stands behind what he believes in.

  • An American

    How can practicing free speech be un-american? I love America, but right now I’m ashamed of the way America is being run. I hope that all of our boys oversees make it back alive. As per Clinton, what’s worse – lying about sex or killing thousands of people because they believe in a different god? Get your head out of your asses Democrats – run someone that will beat Bush in 2004. Republicans and crazy christians – go to college and get a real degree then say that God wants you to go to war.

  • Bert

    when their record and concert sales fall like thay have ben doing, maybe she will think twise about opening her big liberal mouth

  • Bob the Builder

    First of all, I KNOW the article was satire. Even though, it has sure been funny to see all of the comments posted by the sore (GORE) losers. I respect Ms. Maines right to free speech. Too bad she did’t have the guts to stand behind it when sales headed down! I would say their star is no longer on the rise with former fans departing in record ( or is that CD) numbers. I just want to say that I am one of the majority (76%) supporting the President and our troops who are putting their butts on the line for our freedom and YOUR right to free speech. How many of you who are protesting U.S. action are willing to die for your convictions. Long live the USA!

  • mamma

    Being popular doesn’t make you anymore right than being right makes you popular. George W. Bush IS our President, and if Natalie doesn’t like how things are being done to protect her “rights”, she is welcome to become a “Human shield” in Iraq.

  • mamma

    Being popular doesn’t make you anymore right than being right makes you popular. George W. Bush IS our President, and if Natalie doesn’t like how things are being done to protect her “rights”, she is welcome to become a “Human shield” in Iraq.

  • Dawson McKay

    Wow. Leave it to the emotional, bleeding heart liberal mindset to completely miss the point. Again. Excellent example.

    Applause from the Far Right at the sheer entertaining value of another blathering string of words that appear to have somewhat to do with the cause of our consternation.

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net tek

    1) Bush is a Twat. Pure and simple.
    2) I have a right to say Bush is a Twat. It is my right as an American to voice my opinon. Because I believe Bush to be a Twat does not make me un-American. I love America and the United States Consitiution. I did not vote for Bush and I don’t have to like Bush, esp when he is a Twat
    3) Because Bush is a Twat does not mean that I am not in support of our military troops. They have to follow orders.
    4) Bush is a Twat and he is the President of the United State, but he is NOT the United States. The United States is really our Constitution, not the Twat in the executive office.
    5) Country music still sucks, even if Bush is a Twat and Natalie Maines has the balls to say that Bush is a Twat.

  • Moe

    Okay, will u people pleaseeeeee stop bashing the Pres?? I am a Canadian but I have gotta say….Go George!! People blamed him for not doing anything and look what happened!! Gee, the twin towers fell. Now he is trying to do sumthing about terrorism, and all he gets is criticism. You people are whiny babies who are never satisfied. Let me just say, that sure, he used to be a party animal, but he grew up!! almost 20 years hes been sober. No drinking or anything. Also, when he is in Texas, he spends a good deal of time exercising and jogging and taking care of his body, which I think shows in the good shape he is in physically. Someone who can watch out for their body and is responsible enough to care for it, I think that he can expand that to other things under his command, such as his country!! You want to know what a person is?? Dont judge him by what he does in public, judge him by what he does in private. U know what?? From what I hear, hes not a womanizer, he takes care of himself and his family as best as he can(and if his daughters drink, well, what parent do u know that has complete control over their kids?? Especially when they’re in a different state??). He is also constantly taking his countrys concerns seriously. U know, maybe hes not such a bad choice to have as president. And I think Bush is one of the most moral and responsible presidents ever, who actually has foresight!!! And those of u who call him a war criminal, I think its just hilarious the way u guys have called almost every president or prime minister of democracies “war-criminals” (Israel would be another example) while you dont call people or groups such as, say, Arafat or Hezbollah (until veryyyyy recently) terrorists. TALK ABOUT DOUBLESPEAK. That article about the peace movement by the iranian guy was poetry, pure beauty. Lata peeps

    Moe

  • Bobo Schmobo

    Man, I wish she’d really said that! Kudos to everybody who dares question this illegal invasion of Iraq. And a big thumbs down to all the a$$holes who want those who dare voice their dissent against the war or that village idiot from Texas who parades as the leader of the free world to be a human shield — it blows my mind to know that all too many people would prefer seeing their fellow citizens killed to letting them have an opinion. Wow — what role models you make for other inhabitants of the free world you pretend to rule.

  • Freedom’s Voice

    “Since when have we Americans been expected to bow submissively to authority and speak with awe and reverence to those who represent us? The constitutional theory is that we the people are the sovereigns–the state and federal officials only our agents. We who have the final word can speak softly or angirly. We can seek to challenge and annoy, as we need not stay docile and quiet.” –Hon. William O. Douglas, 1972

  • tomyb

    Hey Trinity, you have no idea about allies.
    France and Germany are allies to the USA, but they have been getting slagged by Americans for quite a while now.
    Canada took in many,many of your planes, and gave many, many Americans places to sleep and collect themselves on 9/11, and Dubya thinks they did not deserve a thanks.
    Oh, and before you forget,(though I think you have forgotten already), America allied itself with Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war. So who do you think are your real allies?
    I think you and Dubya need to pull your heads out of your asses.

  • Early April Fool

    Sorry, it’s a bit early for April Fools’ Day, but I couldn’t resist. I posted earlier under the name “Sane View,” and tried to keep my post as sanity-free as I possibly could. I thought no one could possibly take it seriously.

    Oops. I should have learned a lesson from the people who didn’t get the joke of the original “quote” from Natalie Maines, even when it was labelled “satire.”

    What disturbs me the most, in the wake of my phony psycho-fascist rant, is not that the both liberals and conservatives took it literally. The really frightening thing, in my view, is that it was only the liberals who seemed bothered by my words. My post would have been at home coming from the mouth of Hitler or Mussolini, or from Saddam Hussein for that matter. I spoke as though George Bush were dictator for life, and raising a voice against him worthy of death. This sort of thing should be as scary to his supporters as to his opponents, but apparently it wasn’t. NOT ONE PERSON wrote anything along the lines of “I support George Bush, but Sane View goes way too far.”

    The conservatives on this thread need to think a bit about why only the liberals protested my post. My words were those of a fascist maniac, and you should oppose such people even when they support the same leaders that you support.

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net tek

    Bush is a Twat.

  • Early April Fool (Sane View)

    Oh, and by the way, I’m Canadian, and very glad of it.

  • Max Harris

    Too Bad Maines didn’t really say all that. Course, my gay friend Kenny likes country music, so not all of it is right, but sometimes you have to bust a few chops in the name of satire.

    The Facts:
    1- Governor Bush was never elected by the people of this nation. He was elected by a stacked, partisan court, who were basically allowed to throw out the will of the people of the state of Florida and elect the guy they wanted anyway.

    2- Calling Bush Jr. an honorable man is almost as much of a stretch as saying he won the election. An honorable man would have finished his hitch with the Air National Guard instead of ditching for the last year. An honorable man would not recycle what his own father called “voodoo economics” and call it an economic stimulus package. See #3.

    3- Through 2010, the unaccelerated Bush Tax Cut will save the richest 1% $477 Billion in tax breaks. That works out to $342,000 each over ten years. For us in the other 99%, we topped out in 2001 at an average of $350. Additionally, when the unaccelerated plan (the 2001 version, not the accelerated one that just passed the house the other day) is fully in place (2010) 52% of the total tax cuts will go to the richest 1%, who will make an average of $1.5Mil by 2010.

    4- Bush was a failure as a businessman. He never had to go out and get a job before someone decided he should be governor of Texas. In fact, he had ruined three of his father’s companies before taking over Texas. He was a man ahead of his time, losing money with the Texas Rangers before it became fashionable to lose money on baseball.

    5- When criticized about his month long vacation in 2001, W said, “They don’t understand the definition of work.”

    6- W has said that his favorite book as a child was “The Very Hungry Caterpillar”, which was first published the year he graduated from Yale.

    7- Our globe trotting De Facto “President” once asked Fernando Henrique Cardoso, the president of Brazil, “Do you have blacks, too?” Roughly half of Brazil’s citizens are black.

    8- The Family of the De Facto President. George Bush Sr has five adult gradnchildren. Three have been arrested and another was ticketed for sexual misconduct.

    9- The Veep & his Oil Company. The Veep’s oil company, Halliburton, set up a subsidiary in the Cayman Islands (which have as many taxes as oil deposits, zero). From 96 to 98, 14 tax actions were filed against Halliburton. No wonder he’s with Bush. He & his company are part of that 1%.

    10- More Halliburton. As CEO of Halliburton, Cheney oversaw human rights abuses in Burma, trade with Libya, trade with Iran, trade with Iraq (which he would go on to deny) and repeated attempts to loosen sanctions on the Taliban so he could do business with them. If you want to find the Axis of Evil & get em on the phone, Cheney’s rolodex would be a good place to start.

    11- Halliburton spent 2001 and 2002 fighting off its imminent demise due to lawsuits and illegal accounting. Yet Halliburton still managed to land billions in government contracts which managed to keep it afloat. Do not be surprised when Halliburton gets a large piece of the Iraqi oil business in post war Iraq.

    12- Cheney, the real power? “To write to Vice President Cheney or Mrs. Lynne Cheney, the address is the White House, Washington DC 20501. The salutation is ‘Dear Mr. President’ or ‘Dear Mrs. Cheney.'” That’s the actual voicemail greeting at the office of the vice president. I wonder who is really running the show.

    13- To that effect, is Cheney a man of honor? I think not. In January 2001, a commission headed by two senators warned that terrorist attacks on the US were imminent. The White House dismissed the report, saying Dick Cheney would conduct his own investigation starting in May. If you didn’t already guess, he didn’t.

    14- On to those intelligent people who know what they are talking about on the right. Here’s something from Patty Patty Buke Buke’s autobiography. “There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The ‘Negroes’ of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours.” Yeah, that’s a well thought intelligent person with something worth saying.

    15- “Take that bone out of your nose & call me back” That’s Rush Limpbag to a black caller.

    16- I’ll leave you with a quote from Karl Rove, one of the De Facto “President”‘s top advisors. “As people do better, they start voting like Republicans — unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing.”

    PS- One to the guy who was talking about Clinton and his troop deployments. Here’s your best friend, Trent Lott yaking. “How dare Sen. Daschle criticize “President” Bush while we are fighting our war on terrorism, especially when we have troops in the field!” Oh yeah, the same Trent Lott who spent the better part of the latter half of the 90’s criticizing properly elected President Clinton & his use of troops around the world.

  • tomyb

    Wow, i cannot believe the arrogance of Americans, though to be fair, not all Yanks are as bad as I think they are. At least I hope so.

    I have read a few posts telling non-Americans to butt-out, shut-up, mind our own business. I hate to tell those of you with that sort of small minded attitude that this war IS everyones business. One idiot even told a brit to shut up “because america can kick your ass and you know it.WE ARE THE TOP COUNTRY AND DON’T YOU FORGET IT.” Hey, the US may be the strongest single country, but it cannot compete with a whole continent.
    It is people like that that makes me think that USA should not stand for United States of America, but yoU Suck Ass.

  • Bob the Builder

    Hey tek, You wouldn’t know what a Twat is. I’ll bet all of your lovers have dicks!

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net tek

    1) Bush is a Twat

    2) Dear Bob the Butthead,

    I certainly hope that all my lovers have dicks as that I am straight. And I wash my Twat everyday, thank you very much… So that smell must be coming from the Oval office.

    BTW, do you have a problem with homosexuals, because if I didn’t know any better, I might think you might be trying to say something… but I am not sure.

    Oh… And Bush is a Twat.

  • gail

    Interesting reading. I am opposed to Ms. Maines speaking as she did for one reason. It was distasteful for her to speak (and distance herself) in regards to our country in order to SELL her MERCHANDISE. I believe in her right to speak about our government, but it was in very poor taste to do it in terms of commerce.
    And for those of you who think that Saddam has never personally assaulted our country, how about the 30+ Navy personnel he murdered in the late 80s? USS Stark (?) I think. His plane “accidentally” went below radar and blew two missles into it’s hull. By the by, we were not in any hostile territory- his explaination was “oops- thought you were an oil tanker”
    C’mon!
    I don’t care if you are liberal or conservative, rep or dem- how can you think that a man who rapes men and women, takes food monies and build palaces while children starve on the streets, and surrounds himself with people who enjoy homocide is an ok person?
    I’ve spoken to Iraqi Nationals- that is what their life is like. Our Pres may not be perfect (who is?) but he is NO Saddam Hussein!
    God bless our troops and bring ‘em home safe.

  • Moe

    Tek, I disagree with ur opinions totally, but good comeback to Bob!! lol. That was funny. Ur a woman. HAHAHAHA. good stuff. i really wish that this could be a mature discussion though instead of childish name-calling

  • Max Harris

    Hey Tony of this quote:

    “The majority of the posters here are whining, snivelling liberals who, in a properly run country, would be up against the wall with a last cigarette.”

    As one of those whining sniveling liberals, I remind you that our boys who fought and died in Germany and the South Pacific in World War II died for my right to be a whining sniveling liberal as well as for your right to think we ought to be put up against a wall and granted last requests. Sadly, the soldiers who fought & died in Korea, Indochina, Kosovo, Somalia, and in both Operations Oily Residue in Iraq cannot really claim that as those countries never posed a threat to any of our rights. No one thinks that if Saddam is left to containment, we’d eventually be speaking Farsi here in Saint Louis, MO. Hell, we lost in Vietnam and no one here can even pronouce Vietnamese and no one in the States has lost a single right to that splendid little war.

    Freedom of speech is the first ammendment in the bill of rights. George W. Bush is fair game for criticism, both in the press and by private citizens like the Dixie Chicks or Michael Moore. Hell, even public citizens. I live in the Show Me State, Missouri. I can show you where the freedom of speech is written in the laws of this country. You show me where the abridgement of this basic right during wartime exists and I’ll defend your right to shut people up. Till then, you ought to take some time to think before you put us all up against a wall, or your right to say that that is where we ought to be will disappear.

    As far as “We whupped them, etc” We never whupped Canada. They beat us on 54-40 or fight (that’s why the border isn’t at 54-40. Hell, we never whupped France either. We woouldn’t be a sovereign nation without the help of France. And if we’d’ve listened to France before getting into Indochina, we wouldn’t’ve been whupped by Vietnam either.

    If you would suspend our right to disagree, and poke holes in your argument, you are truly the one who ought to move to Afghanistan and join the Taliban or move to Iraq and become a Bagdadio. The value of silencing the people in the criticism of the goverment is not a value this country was built on, but it is a value that the “rogue administrations” of the “axis of evil” holds dear.

    Remove your own blindfold, soak in the light.

    “As people do better, they start voting like Republicans — unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing.”
    -Karl Rove

  • tomyb

    HA, Bob the Builder, Tek got you there!!

    Oh and great comments by gail.

  • steve

    I have a few comments to make.

    1) The Dixie Chicks have a right to criticize the president and i do no think their comments were as bad as some other celebrities in Hollywood. I think this whole thing kind of steamrolled into something bigger.

    2) People, also, have a right to disagree with their comments and exercise that right by boycotting their cds. Radio stations have the right not to play their music.

    3) The great thing about this country is that we were given the right to disagree with our leadership. Conversely we have the right to support our leadership.

    4) I would never claim that it is unpatriotic to protest the war, but I do believe that it affects our troops at war. Every soldier wants to believe that he/she has the full support of their country and they want to believe that what they are doing is for a worthy cause. The soldiers have to believe in what they are doing to be successful. The war is going to happen whether we believe in it or not. While it is our right to voice opposition to the war, I believe that is our duty to make our soldiers believe that we support their every effort.

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net tek

    That is the problem. It always resorts to “YOU LIBERAL!!” “YOU REPUBLICAN”.

    Who the hell cares what party someone is. That is part of the problem. Solve the problem and discuss the issue at hand, don’t rely on party “policies” to dictate your stance on an issue. Think for yourself.

    I don’t like Bush. I don’t agree with his policies… that HIM. However, I certainly would not color my view against EVERYONE who calls themselves a republican. Why do you need to label yourself? Just think, and speak, and be done with it.

  • Max Harris

    Katy said:
    “Im wondering how she would feel about the president, when shes on welfare and food stamps,or living on unemployment because of her own idiocy.”

    Probably not much, since W is no friend to the poor and downtrodden. She will likely have a tax hike on her unemployment check if it comes to that. Oddly, she is probably part of that Richest 1% who are getting the fattest cuts right now. Since welfare & foodstamps have already seen pretty harsh cuts from the “Contract on America” put forward by Bush’s party in 1994, she will likely continue to vote with the donkey and be a yellow dog democrat.

    If, God forbid, you were ruined financially, and had to go on unemployment, then welfare and foodstamps, would you still think Bush is the bee’s proverbial knees.

  • Bob the Builder

    Dear tek, You got me on that one. I thought you were ONE! Was I trying to say something? I guess I was. I thought all of the Gore supporters were “different”. But hey, when are you going to get over all your whining about a stolen election. I guess you didn’t know about all of the uncounted absentee ballots from overseas servicemen and women. W’s supporters didn’t load up a bunch of senile nursing home residents and haul them to the polls and then complain because they couldn’t figure out the ballots. Go ARMY! Beat Iraq!

  • Jason

    Our justice system is not perfect, but it’s the best one I know of and it’s built on principles. Those principles state that a person is innocent until proven guilty by a court of his/her peers. Unfortunately, the United States does not have jurisdiction of the sovereign nation of Iraq and it’s leaders. The UN does.
    You say the UN isn’t doing it’s job in this regard. That may be correct. But it doesn’t give us the right to become judge, jury and executioner any more than it gives me the right to shoot OJ Simpson or Charles Manson. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
    I understand that you Republicans are more interested in saving your own ass and your own wallet than doing things the legal way.
    Be aware that this preemptive action could easily be a gateway war leading to far worse things, as we have taken on the responsibility of policing the entire oil-producing portion of the world (not North Korea). That may be our downfall as it may be far more difficult than we think and could disperse our military too far from home to protect us.
    Why in the world were there rumors that Saddam was killed in the first attack? How absurd and arrogant. The guy has an intricate tunnel system, a 48 hour advance notice of the attack and the man has 10(?) exact doubles in town. We gave him enough time to move one of his entire palaces underground before the attack.

    T-Shirt:
    What would Jesus bomb?

  • Moe

    Listen, America has some of the best living conditions in the world. Bush is trying to defend those conditions. If Iraq was holding this war, he would not be doing it for the good of his people. Saddam doesnt care about his people. Bush cares about his people, and he is looking at the BIG picture. First u gotta secure ur country, and then u can focus on the interior. I doubt very much that he is fighting this war to take focus off inner troubles. Iraq is hiding NBC (Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical) weapons (funny what those initials spell, makes u wonder who supports what?) and there is really no reason to think why he is not close to finishing. He is nipping this in the bud, and I couldnt be prouder of any president. Thats my Bush!! (I wonder what happened to that show).

    Moe

  • Victor

    Ain’t the 1st Amendment beautiful? Where else can you hate your President, love your Country, and have someone spitting tobacco in someone else’s stew? Wait isn’t that a country song? (And to the Ghost Writer in the Sky, nice work!)

  • Freedom’s Voice

    Hey, Sane View..the dry cleaner called. Your hood and sheet’s back from the cleaners. Make sure you stop by the hardware store to pick up rope, gasoline, and 2x4s for the lynching tonight.

    Funny, that’s a very similar outlook that gee..saddam hussein takes against the American Devil

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net tek

    Dear Bob the Brainless,

    I would like to make a friendly suggestion to you:

    Since it’s obvious that you failed reading comprehension class as a child based on your responses to my post, why not try “Hooked on Phonics”. It seems to be a success product for children ages 3 through 8. You know, the ages where when someone disagrees with you, you tell them how their mommy is a “Poopy Ka Ka Head”.

    Oh… you’re not 8? Sorry, easy to be confused with the mentality that you are displaying…

    Let’s back this up… Follow along… I’ll type slowly and with small words as I can see it’s difficult for you to keep up with me.

    1) Having issues with homosexuals has nothing to do with politics. Where and what someone does with their pee pee in the privacy of their own home does not affect what you choose to do in the privacy of your own home. Remember, just because they do it on TV doesn’t mean that you need to do it as well.

    2) I don’t recall anywhere in my post speaking about Gore or even stating that I was a supporter of Gore. Even if I was, what does that have to do with the price of pears in Peru? He’s not in charge of the government at the moment. Bush is. This discussion is about President Bush and that Dixie Chick… Once again, hooked on phonics might do wonders for your reading skills.

    Now go back and play with your toys, and when you can hold a decent argument without resorting to trying to talk about someone’s sexual orientation to prove a point, you can come back and play with the adults.

    Love,

    Tek

  • Serenityd

    From an individual who firmly believes in the First Amendmant. Addressed to those that induces slanderous actions on others with opposing veiws: No matter wich opinion it is. To ridicule for ones opinion to base who they are and treat them badly due to this opinion demoralizes humanity and teaches predjudice. In this case even if some are entertainers and get paid for the job they do , to suggest they cannot have an opinion not only spits on democracy but is just plain Ludicrous.

  • Max Harris

    One last thing before sleep takes over.

    I am a Gulf War Vet. I support the troops. I looked out across the same desert we are seeing on TV today and wondered if I’d make it home. I understood that the people who were against the war were not against me, in fact they were as supportive as anyone, since they were just trying to keep me at home/get me home faster. I protest the war now because our troops do not belong in harm’s way. If it were 1991 and I hadn’t been enlisted, I would have protested, because the benevolent monarchy of Kuwait, which has no respect for the basic rights of 50% of its citizens wasn’t so much better than Saddam.

    Our country has a long history of sloppy intervention in the rule of other nations. I would point anyone who would argue that to:
    http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/library/wonderful/index.php
    I do believe that Saddam is not a nice person to put it lightly. However, I believe this is the wrong way to go about things, and that ultimately, if past performance is any indication of future results, this action will result in the region becoming even more unstable (if that’s possible). I worry about the Balkanizing of post war Iraq (Iraq is prime for Balkanization), especially with the United States dojng a half assed job of nation building.

    I also worry about how we are going to rebuild our relations with other nations. I suspect that when George Bush loses the 2004 election (by a lot, unless he happens to find Usama a few weeks before the election), the healing can begin and our friends (France, Germany, Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, etc) will like us when we start talking more sense. Maybe with someone more worldly and responsible in the White House, not only will our friends like us again, maybe we can become friends with China and Russia and other countries who maybe need a talk like the French tried to give us (if you recall, they gave us a similar talk before Viet Nam which was heeded as much as this one before Operation Oily Residue).

    That’s it for tonight.

  • Bob the Builder

    To my latest lover tek,
    I had no idea that I was taking on such an intellectual. Yes, I have issues with homosexuals. I do believe that the issue has a lot to do with politics. I guess since you said that you didn’t vote for Bush that I made an assumption that you voted for Gore. What seems more likely now is that you did not vote at all which is the group a lot of people who complain about our government come from. Why do you get to dictate that the discussion be about Bush and the Dixie Chicks. I thought it was started about JUST the Dixie Chicks. I was not the first to expand it to include related issues. Please do not take offense if I fail to respond to any more of your putdowns. I have homework to get to. I am taking this wonderful new course on “Fonix” which will help me to understand what idiots are saying and writing. After that I think I have to go play with my toys. That is so much more fun than chatting with someone who obviously believes that they are so smart! If I don’t call, it is because I won’t respect you in the morning.
    Love back, Bob

  • Moe

    The issue with maines is not the fact that entertainers/celebrities do not deserve to have opinions. The fact is they do. HOWEVER!!! Celebrities have as much right to publicize their opinions as does Joe Somebody in their hometown. What do I mean??? If Natalie Maines was totally unmusical, noone would know or care about her. Her opinions would not be heard. Just because you are a celebrity does not make u an expert on anything. Using ur celebrity status to preach about topics which you know nuthing is abusive and stupid. If natalie maines has the right to preach, then so does everyone else who has limited knowledge on the topic. I think, out of all the people involved, Bush and his military have the most information concerning this whole issue and they do not have any obligation to release all of it to the public. I think that their motives are pure, and they are actually concerned with security. U may as well argue with a math genius about why u think the theory of relativity is wrong, cos of a movie u saw where it was disproved.
    Best regards

    Moe

  • Moe

    What I meant about everybody gets to preach is that she shouldnt use her celebrity which has nuthin to do with the war or politics to preach. U may say, well then, she shouldnt help refugees or starving kids or something like that. I’m not saying that. Charity and helping the unfortunate is okay, but preaching against ur prez is helping noone. Know where to draw the line ppl

    Moe

  • Jim

    Amen to that. Just wish 2004 would hurry up so we can get this Bible thumping Idiot out there. He’s not just an embarassment to Texas, I’m embarassed as an American.

  • Canadian Girl

    “I am of Canadian descent, though I’m ashamed to say it now, and I’m proudly AMERICAN by birth.”

    “Oh, and by the way, I’m Canadian, and very glad of it.”

    Both quotes by saneview(aka early april fools), made in earlier posts.

    One word: IDIOT!

  • Annette in Canada

    Hey Max, the nice thing about being friends is we can disagree with you and still wanna have coffee with you and still want your military to come home safe and sound! We still like you, whether the potus speaks sense or not, because the US is more than its government, it is, ultimately, its people. And on the whole, you ain’t such a bad bunch, eh?.
    Now the International Trade Commission of the US is a whole nuther story……..

  • Kim

    I very much appreciate your input Max,(above), it’s very eyeopening to hear from someone with your experience in a previous conflict. Don’t worry though, as a Canadian, I can say with confidence, that I will always be your friend, standing by, waiting for your nation to stop being blinded by patriotism and acting from such a sad position of fear. Don’t get me wrong, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being patriotic, it is a most admirable quality; however, it is also a trait that can be taken advantage of by nefarious people with only their own interests at heart. I find it appalling that with freedom of expression being one of the main cornerstones of your constitution, that expressing an opinion, however unpopular to a certain segment of the population, can cause such hostility. But no worries Max, just glad you made it back safe and sound, and no matter what the insanities of the current Cheney administration, I for one will always be a friend to your great nation. I think that I can safely say that I speak for alot of us dumb old canucks!lol! Love always Kimba xo
    P.S. Saying a prayer for all the troops over there.

  • Michelle

    Just in case you missed that news, Bush DID win the popular vote in Florida. That was published months after the election so I can’t blame you if you missed it. Must have been an awards show on or something.

  • Kim

    I very much appreciate your input Max,(above), it’s very eyeopening to hear from someone with your experience in a previous conflict. Don’t worry though, as a Canadian, I can say with confidence, that I will always be your friend, standing by, waiting for your nation to stop being blinded by patriotism and acting from such a sad position of fear. Don’t get me wrong, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being patriotic, it is a most admirable quality; however, it is also a trait that can be taken advantage of by nefarious people with only their own interests at heart. I find it appalling that with freedom of expression being one of the main cornerstones of your constitution, that expressing an opinion, however unpopular to a certain segment of the population, can cause such hostility. But no worries Max, just glad you made it back safe and sound, and no matter what the insanities of the current Cheney administration, I for one will always be a friend to your great nation. I think that I can safely say that I speak for alot of us dumb old canucks!lol! Love always Kimba xo
    P.S. Saying a prayer for all the troops over there.

  • Dan

    RE: Comments in response

    Weenie? Is that the best you can do?

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know you don’t target practice in the direction of oncoming US Flyers during a war, Canada.

    Bitchslap a Mexican today!

    On the other hand, Mexico never did give the USA anything but Borderjumpers. Why would they bother to help us now?

    I stand by my comments. USA love it or volunteer yourself as an Iraqi Human Shield and make the world a better place.

  • tomyb

    Oh Dan, I was almost content to leave this page alone. Then I see your teeny, tiny american brain trying to work.

    It seemed to me that you have a problem with your closest neighbours, Mexico and Canada. Why?

    Wait, do not answer that. I do not care. You should just take your closed minded red-necked ass out and shoot yourself. That would make the world a better place.

  • tomyb

    And Dan, you dickless turd, I would love to see you try and kick this Canadian.

    U Suck Ass.

  • Mike

    Not to take any sides, but just F.Y.I. America, even at this moment, is still purchasing oil from Iraq. 800,000 barrels a day to be exact. More than any other oil producer except Saudi Arabia. What’s up with that? Just thought you should know.

  • babs

    What amazes me is the number of readers to this site who are making comments, anti- or pro-, that are not even intelligent (or observant) enough to know what the word “SATIRE” means. Furthermore, their ignorance is ever-so evident in the fact that they are solely, either blaming or praising the President. Do these “educated” americans and the one ignorant briton (britboy) really think that Bush makes all these decisions over his wheaties in the morning? Do they not realize that the president is surrounded by a multitude of advisors, who aide him in making these decisions? And I wonder also if Natalie Maines, Michael Moore, and the Pope (RE Moore’s oscar speech) would enjoy living under the rule of Saddam Hussein? I seriously doubt they would. In fact, I think the portly Maines and Moore, along with the “blind” Pope (we’re talking about a man who oversees a religion that hid and protected its own kind of terrorist – the child molester priest) would most likely pray and beg and plead for a country like the US to step in and free them from such a monstrous, evil entity as Hussein. But then again, you know the old saying . . . “IGNORANCE IS BLISS” Pride yourselves Americans, be you anti-war or pro-, you have the CHOICE! And that, my fellow countrymen is worth fighting for!!!

  • Sheila

    Ok, so in thinking about calling an apple a pear, how about naming reality how it is! So many people try to use influential “scare tactics” by calling Rebpublicans “Nazis” or other past objects. GET A FUCKING CLUE. If you are going to say such things, at least give an option of what SHOULD be done in this situation of world unrest. Of course history repeats itself but nothing is EXACT! And instead of protesting for/against the war, why don’t we try to educate ourselves, read, help a neighbor, clean up a street, visit the elderly in VA homes/LT care facilities. Sorry if I have misspelled anything. But I say EVERYONE keep voicing opinions because that is what makes this country great!

  • Beverly

    While I agree that this is America and Natalie has the freedom of speech. Does she not realize there are men in Irag dying for HER freedom of speech. As far as President Clinton is concerned, he was a MAJOR joke as a president. A complete shame to the office and No One took him nor his wife seriously. I am deeply offended that while Natalie expects people to front the $ to buy her music, she has this right to bash them. Never, never, never will I buy or watch the “chunky chick” again. I am disgusted and ashamed that she is from America. One word of advice Natalie…. You don’t like it, leave. We proud Americans won’t even notice your gone.

  • Canuck chick…

    wow…some people don’t get the point of satire..

    Oh – and for whoever said ‘kick a Canadian’…. There seems to be more coalition causalities than enemy causalities ..perhaps the Canadians were just afraid the the US would ‘accidentally’ kill more of us in friendly fire…

    Anyway – this was satirical, not factual of what the poor girl said. It’s interesting that a nation that is so proud of it’s freedom limit’s the freedom of those they place on pedestals.

  • Canuck girl

    Oh – one more thing…

    If Canadian and Mexician citizens should be kicked for the acts and opinions of our governments…shouldn’t Iraqi’s take responsibility for the actis fo their’s?

    Can people be blamed for their nationality?

    Of course we are talking about people who would do something as STUPID as rename junk food because it contained a reference to one of the countries not willing to follow it into unsanctioned battle…. (even funnier when you consider French Fries were first served in Belguim :) another french speaking country)

  • The Theory

    mmm… french fries…

    *The Theory… has an unhealthy addiction to McDonald french fries*

    peace.

  • Max Harris

    Some general response.

    #1 I am heartened to know that I have at least one friend north of the border. If President Cheney finds himself at 1600 Pennsylvania for another four years, I am thinking of moving there. I love this country, but the lack of compassion in our “compassionate conservatives” scares the daylights out of me. But, when and if I leave for colder climes, I WILL be locking my door.

    #2 Babs: The very cornerstone this country was founded on was the right to disagree with your oppressive government. If you think that’s not patriotic, then you should rip up the constitution and have Bush’s dictatorship with him at the head. Oh yeah, and stop looking at the great american patriots with an reverence. That’s right, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, Tom Paine, Patrick Henry, and the list goes on. Because they did not agree with the government, spoke out about it, and did something about it. Granted, that was the imperial British government, but I think there are more than a few parallels. Just change “No Taxation without Representation” to “No Taxcuts for the top 1% without a popular mandate.” It doesn’t have the same ring, but there are certain similarities.

    #3 Michael Moore does a lot of work and research on what’s going on. Check out his website, then bash him.

    #4 We came together, in order to form a more perfect union. I don’t think our Union is perfect, but I think it’s pretty much the best thing going. That, however, shouldn’t stop us from continuing to strive towards a more perfect union.

    #5 Someone else opened the door, I think it was Bob the Builder, so I gotta give my two gay cents (I’m not gay, not that there’s anything wrong with that ;-) I don’t get why people have problems with gay people. If you’ve known any real quantity of gay people, you would have recognized some of the deepest, most loving relationships you will ever see. If you are against homosexuals, in my mind, you are against love. If you associate homosexuality with promiscuity, you are confused, and should really redefine your stance. If you think of it as an affront to God (my girlfriend’s relatives are in this camp, so I know it’s out there), relax, go back and read the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew and the events directly following the sermon. Particularly the passage about the Roman. Realize that Romans, in the eyes of the Jews of Jerusalem, were unclean and incapable of joining the faith. The Christian faith is built on love and inclusion, not hatred, fear (of anything but God), and exclusion. If you’re just afraid that a gay man will find you cute and want to have sex with you, get over yourself. I can’t tell you how unlikely that is. Oh, and don’t get convicted on felony charges where you might have to spend a lengthy amount of time in prison. (But that’s not really homosexuality, it’s really about power).

    “My pan plays down an unprecedented amount of our national debt” – George W. Bush, 2/27/01

  • Laura

    Well all I have to say to all of you people who are saying free speech free speech free speech. Which I am all for but are you the same people who say “no no no” to the people famous or not who use the term nigger, cracker, redneck or so on. If you are one who is defending the Dixie Chicks for what they said. Think back to things that you have heard someone say about you. maybe it was something as small as. I’m prettier than you or you nigger, or hey redneck. Yes all are mean, and they are also freedom of speech. But should they have opened their big mouth and said it. Wouldn’t that hurt your feelings or make you want to retaliate? I think that people who do and say things like that, that the Dixie chick said either don’t realize what they are saying or what they are talking about. and it is people like that that need to keep their mouth shut. My husband is in the military and we ARE FROM TEXAS here saying we are behind President Bush all the way…. And I can assure you that my friends and I will not be buying anything Dixie Chick related for a long long long while! And that my friends is my right to Freedom of speech.

  • Judy

    I have attempted to read some of these comments made by Americans in this column. Some I understand…..some I don’t!! Doesn’t make me stupid or naive!! But as an American born in the United States of America…I do not understand why people are not supporting OUR men and women in Iraq…they are there giving US the right to freedom and a voice and trying to rid this world of a deeply troubled regime. We need to stand behind these people…our fellow Americans!! They, OUR sons/daughters; wives/husbands; fathers/mothers; sisters/brothers; good friends or just a neighbor from down the street or across our town or across OUR United States. THEY need OUR support….all of OUR support. They do not need to listen to some “American’s” disapproval of this war….they are there because they want to be!!! THEY believe in the United States of America…freedom…right of speech…and the right to LIVE in peace and without fear!! So I say “Come on fellow Americans….let’s support them!!” If once the war is over and you disagree…go for it!! But while our men and women are there….they need US!!! ALL OF US!!!

  • Canadian Girl

    She had a right to say what she said, but shouldn’t have used a concert as a venue. People go to listen to them sing, not to hear thier political views. A solution to this whole rediculous thing.

  • http://www.foliage.com/~marks Mark Saleski

    so please…tell me exactly…how the current war in iraq has anything to do with our “right to freedom”.

  • Denise

    One of your biggest fans has just broke all of her Dixie Chicks CD’s and gave away once coveted concert tickets. You are truly sad and have a very big mouth and ego.

    From:
    A proud wife of a Major in the United States Army, a former soldier myself and the mother of two beautiful all american boys.

  • Laura

    right behind you Denise. We too are a military family.

  • LS

    Letter from radio station website in Lubbock, home of the Dixie Chick that spewed forth about our president.

    Name: LT Layne McDowell

    Date: 03/15/03
    Time: 01:54:49 PM

    Comment

    An open letter to the Dixie Chicks: Earlier this week, while performing in London, you stated that you were ashamed that our President is from your home state. I wonder if you realized how many Americans would be listening. This American was listening. This Texan is ashamed that you come from my state.

    I serve my country as an officer in the United States Navy. Specifically, I fly F-14 Tomcats off carriers around the world, executing the missions that preserve the very freedom you claim to exercise. I have proudly fought for my country in the skies over Kosovo, Iraq and Afghanistan without regret.

    Though I may disagree wholeheartedly with your comments, I will defend to the death your right to say them, in America. But for you to travel to a foreign land and publicly criticize our Commander in Chief is cowardice behavior.

    Would you have so willingly made those comments while performing for a patriotic, flag-waving crowd of Texans in Lubbock? I would imagine not. How dare you pocket profits off songs about soldiers, their deaths and patriotism while criticizing their Commander in Chief abroad, even while they prepare to give their lives to ensure your own freedom of speech.

    Please ask yourself, what have you done to deserve that sacrifice? Do not try to justify your comments by claiming that you made them only because you care about innocent lives. Never once in our history have we committed troops to war for the purpose of taking innocent lives. We do it to protect innocent lives, even yours.

    If the world leaders of the late 1930’s had the vision and courage of our present Commander in Chief, perhaps the evil men who caused the death of millions in WWII would have never had the opportunity to harm a soul. The potential loss of millions of lives in the future at the hands of today’s evil men necessitate action.

    In a separate correspondence, I am returning to you each and every Dixie Chicks CD and cassette that I have ever purchased. Never again will I allow my funds to support your behavior. All you have done is to add your name to a growing list of American “Celebrities” who have failed to realize that they have obtained their successes on the backs of the American blue-collar workers such as our servicemen and women. To Natalie Maines: This Texan & this American will continue to risk his life to guarantee your freedoms. What will you do to deserve it?

  • Eric Olsen

    Um – that’s a lot of damn comments. Can we draw any conclusions?

  • Freedom’s Voice

    What a fantastic thread! Do you suppose it was purposely marked unobviously as ‘satire’ as an experiment in free speech? Just to see how many people shoot off their mouth half-cocked?

    I support our troops. They didn’t choose to enter this war, they followed orders. However, I refuse to support bush when:
    A:People begin to fear voicing their opinions.
    B:I see completely oppressive and unconstitutional bills and legislations passed in the interest of ‘Homeland Security’
    C: Bush pleads for more personal power, attempting to circumvent the rest of the government.
    D: I see jingoism running rampant in my home. Extreme nationalism only paves the way for hatred and intolerance.

    My Ancestors died giving me the right to question my government, and their actions. I will not allow their memories to be tarnished by oppression. I will speak out against any legislation, bill, or law that threatens the Rights and Freedoms those Ancestors bled for. I will not lend my support to meglomaniacs chasing after wealth, and attempting to stifle Freedom.
    I will voice those views whether in England, Canada, or Texas.

    “Those who would sacrifice Freedom for Security; deserve neither Freedom, nor Security.” –Thomas Jefferson

  • Freedom’s Voice

    Oh, and bravo Sane View. Your ploy worked perfectly. And the fact that few, if any bush supporters spoke against it, is a frightening fact indeed.

  • Max Harris

    Hey Judy:

    “I do not understand why people are not supporting OUR men and women in Iraq…they are there giving US the right to freedom ”

    Who isn’t supporting our troops? I haven’t met that person yet. Everyone hopes for a speedy and safe return for our men and women in Op: Oily Residue. That said,

    Please explain how they are there giving the US any rights at all, other than the right to dictate to another country what they should and shouldn’t do, particularly if they have large oil fields. The Ba’ath regime in Iraq is certainly in no danger of winning any humanitarian awards anytime soon, but they have been contained for twelve years by the UN. And if you think that Brutal Dictators with WoMD’s need to be taken down, let’s go to North Korea and finish what we started in the 50’s. That’s a brutal dictatorship with WMDs and tons of human rights abuses. And a huge military. And for the people stuck in Cold War schisms, they’re even Commies. Sadly, they don’t have any oil, their military could actually put up a real fight, and their neighbors really don’t want us going in there, so I guess NoKo will get the diplomatic treatment. But even NoKo doesn’t really threaten OUR rights in OUR nation, though they come closer than Iraq to meeting that standard.

    I’m all for the troops. I’m just against heavy handed, unilateral politics of ignorance. That’s not our troops. It certainly wasn’t me.

  • Kara Monico

    I think it is a disgrace that the Dixie Chicks are from Texas. How about that? Bill CLinton had an intern come in to the White House to fulfill some needs of his. Bill CLinton swept this under the rug for the 8 years he was in the Presidency. Do you know that he also freed prisoners in Israel? And do you know that one of the prisoners was Mohammed Atta, the bastard that flew a plane into the Trade Towers. But he was good man wasn’t he??? The last thing I will say is thank God for George BUsh and I am proud of the American troops.

  • Michelle

    Just thought I would point out to all of you out there: The dixie chicks latest cd “Home” is #1 on the billboard country charts and has been for weeks. Obviously, all this controversy hasn’t hurt their sales one iota. In fact it probably helped. Sometimes things all work out just perfectly after all, don’t they?
    Peace

  • tomyb

    If the world leaders of the late 1930’s had the vision and courage of our present Commander in Chief, perhaps the evil men who caused the death of millions in WWII would have never had the opportunity to harm a soul. The potential loss of millions of lives in the future at the hands of today’s evil men necessitate action.

    This was written by LS, who apparently flys fighters for the american armed forces. He should remember that the US entered both World Wars late, so apparently even your presidents during both those wars did not have very much “vision and courage”.

  • Lou

    Just like Michael Bolton, the Dixie Chicks may have sold 10 million CD’s, but I don’t anyone who has a copy.

  • Annette in Canada

    excuse me, tomyb? but I think that is the point about the presidents from the 1930’s LS was trying to make when he said “…If the world leaders of the late 1930’s had the vision and courage of our present Commander…” They didn’t have vision, however, that is an entirely different story and probably has a lot to do with IBM and Standard Oil.

    So, anybody wanna come up to Canada for Tim Horton’s coffee and doughnut?

  • Annette in Canada

    then again, I could be wrong and he thinks the wars were single-handedly entered into and won by the US. my mistake, should have really paid attention to the “world leaders” part. But he still has a point about the lack of action in the 30’s. And that goes beyond Standard Oil and IBM.

  • RON M.

    I HAVE BEEN READING ALL THE GARBAGE EVERY ONE HAS BEEN POSTING. IT MAKES ME SICK ! WE AS AMERICANS HAVE THE RIGHT OF FREE SPEACH ! SHE SAID WHAT SHE SAID. SHE WAS WRONG FOR MAKING IT PERSONAL !! AND SO ARE ALL THE POSTINGS !! SHE HAS HER RIGHT TO HER OPINION. EVEN IF I DONT AGREE. THOSE BASHING BUSH SHOULD LOOK AT THE ECONAMIE FOR THE SIX MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION. IT WAS IN A NOSE DIVE !!!! THE RADIO STATIONS HAVE THE RIGHT TO PLAY WHAT THE WANT ! ITS THERE RIGHT ! YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUY THIER C.D.S THATS YOUR RIGHT ! I WONT BE . THATS MY RIGHT !! I LIKED SOME OF THEIR MUSIC BUT I WONT BE LISENING TO IT ANY MORE. JUST AS I WONT GO TO MOVIES OF SOME OF THE PROTESTER ! THAT I8S MY RIGHT ! IT IS THEIR RIGHT TO PROTEST ! IT IS MY RIGHT TO BOYCOT THE DIXIE CHICKS, THE ACTORS, THE FRENCH, OR ANY ONE I DONT LIKE ! THATS MY RIGHT !!!!!!!!!!

  • Josh

    The Dixie Chicks really aren’t that good-looking and once you’ve heard one album, you’ve heard them all. Just like Faith Hill and Shameka Twain.

  • Judy

    One of the most wonderful things about the USA is freedom of speech. Yes, we can criticize our president, our government and not be put in jail. Thank God!! But if you are a celebrity, in another country, then you are acting as an ambassador to our great country. If you have something negative to say, say it here, but not overseas! I will never buy another record from the Dixie Chicks, I think they acted appalling! I hate that we are at war, but I am sure that our President has us there for a very good reason, all I can say is God Bless America.

  • tomyb

    Annette;

    Finally, I have been posting comments to try and ruffle some feathers, but there have been no takers.

    I do not believe in the war, but i DO believe that Saddam has to go. I think that Dubya is just a cowboy that likes to fight, there were other options brought forth by other experts that did not include invasion.

    BTW; You going for a Tim’s, I will meet ya there. Save me a seat.

  • Annette in Canada

    okay, and do you take cream and sugar?

  • RON M.

    TOMYB
    ITS JUST AS I THOUGHT . JUST TRYING THE GET PEOPLE MAD AND THE YOU START MAKING WITH THE MACHO ! THAT IS ALWAYS THE WAY OF THE BULLY ! AS I SAID, IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO SAY ANY STUPID THING THAT POPS INTO YOU HEAD ! AND I BACK THAT ALL THE WAY ! HAVE YOU BEEN OUT IN THE COLD TOO LONG ?

  • The Theory

    oh man… I ate at a Tim Hortons when I was in Canada for a week last year… that place is really nice…

    peace.

  • RON M.

    IM SORRY I CALLED ALL OF THE POSTINGS GARBAGE. I WENT BACK THROUGH SOME OF THEM AND THERE ARE SOME VERY GOOD POSTING. SOME I AGREE WITH SOME I AGREE WITH PARTLY AND SOME I DISAGEE. RON FROM CANADA, JOAN, AND KATE JUST TO MENTION A FEW HAD GOOD POINTS ALTHOUGH I THINK THE BIG MISTAKE WAS MADE IN THE GULF WAR . WE HAD THE CHANCE TO DO IT RIGHT THEN, BUT WE LET OUR ALLIES MAKE THAT CHOICE . WHAT A MISTAKE !!!! THIS WAR WOULD NOT BE NESSASARY NOW ! IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OVER !!!

  • Brad Spears

    What I find the most interesting about the article is that she mentions Bill Clinton in one sentence and then talks about her fans that go around and cheat on their wives in another. Uh, Natalie do you have any idea what you are talking about or are you another Sean Penn who thinks their position as a celebrity makes you intelligent? If any of you are really interested to see how stupid she actually is, try getting a hold of the show “Politically Incorrect” where her and Woody Harrelson debate about the legalization of marijuana. It is a real treat!!!

  • http://www.myaimistrue.com Amber

    Holy Lord, Eric. Look what you’ve started.

    I really can’t read all these posts but man… I thought there was drama on my site… but no. This tops it all.

    Entertainment, I tell ya. Way to go buddy. You’ve officially given some people ways to occupy their time. :)

  • foolio

    Early April Fools (aka Sane View) and Freedom’s Voice (quite an assumption don’t you think). i am a conservative (one who didn’t vote for george w. and one who is very skeptical of our military campaign in Iraq) who responded to sane view’s post. i actually responded twice (one was filled with blah blab blah etc, etc, etc.) Sane View’s views (and i realize they are satirical) are not conservative in the true sense of the view (classical liberalism courtesy of locke, plato and other such philosophers).

    the opinion expressed in the Sane View’s satirical post are fascist (ie. nazis and such regimes as were in power in cambodia). unfortunatly a number of posters here are spouting fascist rhetoric and mistakenly calling it “conservative”. luckily they have every right to spout neofascist drivel in the name of “democratizing” a repressed people. but really, have we asked the Iraqi’s if they want democracy? it seems quite incompatible with their religious beliefs (which are considerably harder to change than political opinons) and deeply ingrained social order. i wouldn’t like to live in Iraq, or Saudi Arabia for that matter, but i’m not muslim or arab. perhaps if i was muslim and arab i wouldn’t mind living in the tribal community that the arab states are.

    much love to all (that means everyone: liberal democrats, centrist republicans, Canadians, French, Arabs, the Dixie Chicks, Henry Rollins, the troops, Early April Fools (aka Sane View) and Freedom’s Voice)

    one very humble fool

  • Marla

    Just a note for Brit Boy. I appreciate your interest in American government. I assume you are referring to the last presidential election. It was legal. It was tested by the American legal system. It is that way to protect all American citizens, not just a few in large population areas. We can live with our Constitution. Thanks again for your interest.

  • foolio

    by the way can we take this someplace other than a message board about the dixie chicks? that horse has been flogged enough.

  • Michelle

    Holy crap Brad Spears… are you serious? For the 100th time in this Blog: It’s a SATIRE!!!!

  • tomyb

    Thanks Ron, I am satisfied now. I pissed someone off, that is my whole purpose. What the hell do I care about what some stupid singer said about the war or George “moron” Bush! I am not a bully, or coming off with the “macho”, as you put it. I have only responded to the stupid comments by some others. Well, that and be a shit-disturber.

    Thanks for the fun kiddies 8)!!

    Oh and Annette, enjoy the Tim’s coffee and Timbits.

  • Max Harris

    “I HAVE BEEN READING ALL THE GARBAGE EVERY ONE HAS BEEN POSTING. IT MAKES ME SICK !”

    Then exercise your right to change the channel. Or complain. Even IN ALL CAPS if you feel that way about it.

    “WE AS AMERICANS HAVE THE RIGHT OF FREE SPEACH ! SHE SAID WHAT SHE SAID. SHE WAS WRONG FOR MAKING IT PERSONAL !!”

    George Bush is a public figure. So is Public Enemy Dixie Chick. So is Bill Clinton. Which is why people feel free to say any damn thing about him and think it’s personal. When you are as public a figure as the president, you have ZERO expectation of privacy. The current president is a child of priviledge who got C’s at Yale cause his father dumped some cash into the system. He then snorted a bunch of coke and drank enough scotch to fill Lake Fort Worth. All the while, he was being given companies, driving them into disarray and bankruptcy, and then bailing out. Then, he was elected governor of Texas (shame on you, I voted for Ann Richards and would again), which he turned into the leading serial killer (of shakily convicted felons), and dropped from third most illiterate state to second (no one will ever be able to catch South Carolina). Now, Bush could sue me for libel, except that this is all true and pretty well documented. And besides, even if it’s not true, it’s a widely held belief, so what are his damages?

    Now, for all of you who think the Dixie Chick should not have said something about Bush personally, I suggest that you direct your comments towards the anti-bush forces in general, rather than the Dixie Chick in specific. Because that is just getting personal, and you wouldn’t have that if you were talking about your President.

    “THOSE BASHING BUSH SHOULD LOOK AT THE ECONAMIE FOR THE SIX MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION. IT WAS IN A NOSE DIVE!”

    It was coming down from a dot com high, but the budget was still balanced and the country was still running a surplus when the W’s came off the White House keyboards. Then W came into office and bought some good will with $300 checks for everyone, on the house. Oh yeah, while we’re at it, let’s jack the Pentagon budget. Goodbye surplus. Goodbye balance. Time to whip out the Tax and Spend Democrat argument. Meanwhile, any first year accounting major will tell you that you cannot increase spending, lower income (ie taxes), give everyone a rebate, and expect to remain in the black for long. Sure, the economy was slumping at the end of the Clinton admin, but the Promise & Borrow Republicans kicked the slump into full crash mode, and only fiscal responsibility (ie balance income with output while not jacking all the little people) will fix that.

    “THE RADIO STATIONS HAVE THE RIGHT TO PLAY WHAT THE WANT ! ITS THERE RIGHT !”

    No doubt. But I also have the right to write their advertisers, telling them that I’m not gonna buy any of their products if they continue to sponsor programming on a radio that would do something as stupid as pull the Chicks because she doesn’t like the “President.”

    Just as you have the right to protest whatever you want. I have been boycotting France for roughly two years now for the systematic blind eye they turn to anti-semitic crimes. It hasn’t worked, and that was just asking them to investigate crimes and prosecute criminals in their own country.

    The Job couldn’t be finished in 1991. The mandate wasn’t there. Just like it’s not really there now. War for regime change? When was that ever right. Review your American Foreign Policy history, and point out to me one place since the Korean War. For a quick refesher, check out :
    http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/library/wonderful/index.php
    And he doesn’t even talk about Trujillo or Baby Doc.
    Ideally, we wouldn’t have installed the Shah in Iran way back when. Then Iran wouldn’t have replaced him with Khomeni, who would then not have had the ability to start a war with Iraq, causing us to sell Hussein chemical weapons so he could repell the human wave assaults of his meddled with neighbor, Iran. See, each decade, we could have averted this, and the further back you go, the easier it would have been. Hell, if the Reagan administration didn’t sell weapons to both sides of that conflict, the whole region would probably be a more stable place.

  • Michelle

    Let’s talk about something else. Anyone catch the Oscars?

  • Stosh

    What’s a Dixie Chick?

  • Dan

    Tommyboy:
    I been to Canada and I’ve kicked Canuck ass. RU sure it wasn’t your ass I kicked? But then I don’t hang out at the Blue Oyster Club. You people are on too much Strange Brew. Your govt.let ours down, but what do you give a shit. You know your ass is secure because our military will be coverin it, as usual.
    To the rest of you anti-war, anti- USA freaks,
    Natalie Maines and her kind are traitors and all you idiots who are still buyin there stuff, are right there in with them.
    You anti-war freaks, don’t give me no bull shit about reverse patriotism either. Your just lookin for an excuse to see your f—– faces on ABC News. The only network that is willing to cover you, thanks to that US hater cunuck, Peter Jennings. It’s time he was thrown in Lake Erie in the direction of his motherland. SINK OR SWIM SUCKER!Are you listening ABC.
    Most of the anti-war protests in the 60’s were instigated by communists. Whose watchin your back baby. Last I heard, Americans don’t take too kindly to commies. So shut the f— up and support our country and our troops. I saw a woman today on TV begging for support for her husband who is eatin sand and sweatin his chemical suit and mask over in Iraq. It makes me sick to think that she had to beg for support for our troops. They are fightin for you, so you don’t get your idiot asses blown away by Arab terrorists. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW!!!!

    Hola, Mexico?
    It was something the way Presidente Fox had to go in for a hemmeroid operation on the day he was suppose to make a decision to support the US.
    Smoothe move.The same goes for you Mexes. You can turn your back on the US when she needs your support but you should watch it because American voters and tax payers are getting damned sick of subsidizing your flea-bitten country.

    I AM REAL SICK AND TIRE OF YOU CANUCKS PULLING THE WAR OF 1812 OUT OF YOUR ASSES WHENEVER YOU WANT TO FEEL SUPERIOR TO THE USA. AT THAT TIME CANADA WAS STILL UNDER THE THUMB OF FRANCE AND THE NATIVE AMERICANS WERE THE REAL FIGHTERS ANYWAY. HMM FRANCE, DOES THAT STRIKE A BELL, WEASELS?

  • http://www.mcgeheezone.com/blogoSFERICS/ Kevin McGehee

    Hey y’all, Natalie and the Chicks are old news. Now the yak of blogdom is Jabba the Filmmaker, aka Michael Moore.

    C’mon, try to keep up.

  • DixieKick

    The sad thing about this “chick” is that she doesen’t understand anything more substantial than her hair…probably couldn’t have written one good sentence from the satire…and worse (and true) doesen’t understand…its OK to bash Bush at home but its bad form to do so abroad, particularly now….(hint to chick: bash your parents at HOME not out in front of everyone else…got it?)….but don’t worry Chick…lots of fashionable people (who aren’t in history books much anymore) made fun of Churchill too just before WWII…its not a crime to be ignorant but don’t expect us to stifle our laughs when you show it…

  • zipity

    She can say what ever she wants, free country and all. But that doesn’t mean there aren’t going to be consequences. If people disagree with her and refuse to buy her products, guess what? That is free speech too. Cuts both way folks.

  • MarkL

    Natalie Maines has a perfect right to say anything she wishes to say.

    Then again, so do I.

    So why am I a fascist if I do not buy her records? Why am I a fascist if I call up a radio station and tell them that the next time I hear a Dixie Chick song I will tune to another country station for a day. Why am I a fascist when I let Lipton know that I will buy Twinings Tea as long as they are sponsoring the Dixie Chicks?

    After all, I am not telling them what to do. I am telling them what I will do. I thought that is what Freedom of Speech was all about.

  • Tongue Boy

    Krishna-Nicole writes: “i thought it was very good!!!i,m amazed at how americans minds are so small, agree with me or you are unpratrotic. free speech is not allowed!!!so kudo,s to whoever wrote it, just wish it had been me!!!!!!!!!! yea, dixie chick,s!!!!!! lol”

    I am amazed at how some folks manage to stereotype others while spouting drivel about things of which they know nothing.

  • todd

    To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else.”

    Teddy Roosevelt – May 7, 1918

  • Tongue Boy

    Deconstructing BritBoy…

    “I can’t believe there’s actually people out there who defend Dubya.”

    Well, of course not, since you live in a plastic bubble world of tinfoil hats, Haliburton goonery, and Bushie fascism run amok.

    “For a country based on LIBERTY, you seem to have a peculiar way of showing it. Like not letting people express their opinions for one.”

    Huh? As a journalist might ask: where, when, who, what and how? In BritBoy’s world, the peons MUST kow-tow to their moral betters (the Dixie Chicks) by slavishly throwing money away on their saccharine dreck. To not do so is obviously a gross violoation of their free speech rights and must certainly be referred to the International Criminal Court. Perhaps BritBoy can lead the charge on that one.

    “Haven’t you retarded American Republican/Facsists heard of Voltaire? “I detest what you have to say but will defend to the death your right to say it”.”

    Voltaire? Who’s that? Ain’t he that guy that invented the battery? Oh, you just said Americans are retarded, almost didn’t get it. Well, what do you expect from the bastard sons of Europe who just don’t know their place?

    “Seems like us Europeans are way ahead of you. Unless you associate yourselves with the Nazis?
    They started with repressing people’s right to free speech too.
    Maybe France, Russia and China should invade the US on a ‘moral crusade to protect the freedoms of individuals living in an oppressive regime’.
    That’d be one worth seeing…”

    Translation: I’ve got my tinfoil hat firmly planted on my lumpy noggin. Nobody’s gonna stop MY spinning moral compass!

  • RSR

    I don’t really care one way or another about Natalie Maines’s opinions but it always irritates me when something like this gets twisted into a freedom of speech issue. It’s not.

    Freedom of speech guarantees protections against government censorship. Since there’s no sign that the US government or Dubya gives a rat’s ass about what she said her freedom of speech rights remain gloriously intact.

    What freedom of speech is not, however, is the freedom to say whatever you want without consequences. No government could (or should) guarantee that right. When Ms. Maines makes a comment that is guaranteed to provoke a response from her notoriously conservative fanbase then no one should be surprised when that happens.

    I would have had more respect for Maines if she’d stuck to her guns rather than apologize at the first sign of backlash. It made it look like she was pandering to the London audience rather than expressing a deeply held conviction.

  • Tongue Boy

    Lola writes:

    “Oh my, I haven’t laughed this much in a long time. It’s always interesting to me how so often those who oppose liberal viewpoints resort to name-calling and finger-pointing…Ack! call me a liberal..noooooooooooo!!!! *gasping for air here, mortal damage inflicted* It’s such an effective means of validating their own knowledge!”

    It’s always interesting to me how so often those who claim to be liberal resort to the illiberal tactics of name-calling and finger-pointing, as in:

    “…we have the right to bash or support our president, who probably has the lowest IQ of any president in history.”

    Well, your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries. So there!

  • tomyb

    Wow Dan, you have some serious hate issues.

    I certainly do not think you could have kicked my ass. I do not know this Blue Oyster Club, but it sounds more like a gay bar, and you seem to know about it, so maybe it is not “kicking” you were doing to those asses. You have not come out of the closet yet, that is your real problem isn’t it. You should just move to San Francisco to be with your own kind.

    Hey Ron M. here is your machismo.

    I never used the war of 1812,but hell I am suprised to see that you even know where Canada is from you, considering the sorry state the education system is in, in your country. Still looking at your spelling and other grammatical mistakes you barely made it to grade 9.

    And talking about governments letting one another down. It was your C+ average Dubya who slapped our face first.

    The only real point that you made was that Canada does rely on the American military too much, and our political standing in the world has dropped because of it. And I would not be suprised if the US did not set it’s eyes on us next, we have lots of resourses. So we must look really tasty to the White House.

  • Wilson

    All I have to say for Natalie Maines is she is stupid enough to continue to remarks – she will pay for everthing that she said. I don’t think she will ever recover from this one. Hope she saved some of her money she made off of all us rednecks.

  • The Theory

    “I would have had more respect for Maines if she’d stuck to her guns rather than apologize at the first sign of backlash. It made it look like she was pandering to the London audience rather than expressing a deeply held conviction.”

    AGREED

    peace.

  • Tongue Boy

    Julie writes:

    “And what the hell was up with various radio stations banning the dixie chicks? WOW, theyve insulted President Bush!!! If we had the media banning everything insulting to him, we wouldn’t be listening to anything! I mean SERIOUSLY?!?! Why didn’t they ban the tons of other celebrities voicing their opinion?”

    It’s called the free market. Radio stations responds to their viewer’s tastes. Usually the change in taste is gradual. Not so here; the change was quite sudden. Natalie Manes spoke, her former fans chose not to listen and the radio stations responded to their fans. The “media” don’t ban anything, their customers merely change their tastes and the stations listen to their customers. Is there something wrong with that? Or is it the Dixie Chick’s god-given right to be played 24-7 on every country station? Your argument implies the latter; not a good argument, if you ask me.

    “And what’s with the outrage? It’s just another celebrity voicing their opinion. This is America.. where we’re allowed to VOICE OUR OPINION!!!”

    Yes, the Dixie Chicks are allowed to voice their opinion. So are the rest of us. We have done so. Do you wish to stop US from voicing our opinion? Or is it that our opinions are not as valid as the Dixie Chicks’? Either way, a single-word description of your post might be ‘elitist”.

  • PMoore

    I wish all these people that are shouting about free speech would get a clue. To my knowledge, from reading ALL the comments here and abroad, this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with free speech. Although the above mentioned is a satire, you ask ANYBODY if they are mad that she exercised her freedom of speech when she did comment about the president and they will say NO!
    This is about the fact that she used her comments before an already ANTI-AMERICAN crowd just to get approval from them. Then, when she didn’t have the guts to stand by her opinion, she made up an apology really quick to try to undo some of the damage she did. While you may disagree with the president, at least he has the guts to stand behind his decision to go to war, even if it isn’t the “popular” or “in thing” to do as voiced by people who are NOT the president or his staff, and DO NOT have the CLASSIFIED info he or his staff have. He IS the president, and that does give him the right to make some decisions he feels is best for the country, NO MATTER WHAT other people say. Why have a president if you are going to let the people who disagree with you sway your decision? Why not just let everybody run the country and do as they see fit? NO ONE is EVER going to agree with EVERYONE ALL the time! I didn’t agree with Clinton when he was in office, but I don’t seem to recall him asking me if I though cheating on his wife, and then lying to the country that voted for him was appropriate? He ALSO went to war, and I don’t recall this many people getting upset. Now, people everywhere are bashing the president because he decided he was going to stick to his decision, and didn’t let some people (which they are in the minority)disagree with him. I think all these people that think we should not go to war because they don’t believe it is warranted should go to Iraq and spend just a little time over there, and then see if they STILL don’t want the US to come rescue them! By the way, why is it that every time all these so called peace loving, ant-war people get together to protest, you hear see and hear about people getting arrested because things have gotten out of hand? Doesn’t seem too PEACEFUL to me!!!

  • Mike

    Isn’t it amazing that nearly every chowderhead that doesn’t understand that this is satire turns out to be pro-war?

  • tough patooties

    It’s interesting..with all the postings by Canadians, none of them have mentioned the fact that we currently have troops stationed in Afghanistan. This frees up some US soldiers to go to Iraq, thereby fulfilling Canada’s promise to not go against the UN and helping out the Americans. I think the Canadian military also has a few ships in the Gulf, but I’m not sure what they’re doing there…

    Also, because of America’s paranoia over communism, the USA has unfortuneately, pardon my language, screwed up several countries. [Vietnam, toppling of Salvador Allende in Chile, and various other incidents in South America]

    It’s incredibly funny to realize that many have no real idea of history. For example, the USA and Canada have had a very strange relationship. Canada was created because of the USA by the British, not the French. By created, I mean, influenced the creation of Canada via the Loyalists, Manifest Destiny, fights with Britain, and so on. France was kicked off the continent by the British after the 7 Years War ended in 1763. The war of 1812 was fought between Americans who believed in Manifest Destiny and wanted to take over the Great White North, and British soldiers stationed in what became Ontario. Canada wasn’t even created until 1867.

    Neat fact: Canada’s first Prime Minister, John A. Macdonald, wanted to call the new country “the kingdom of Canada”, but others thought it would provoke the Americans a bit too much, so instead, they called it “the Dominion of Canada”.

  • Eric Olsen

    I’m pro-war and I understand it because it’s my post and everything.

  • Doug Levene

    I’ll bet dollars to donuts none of the Dixie Chicks has even a two-year degree from a community college, and none has ever read a full book on history or political science. In fact, I’d extend that bet to most popular entertainers, whether in music, film or whatever, the vast majority of whom have never gone beyond high school. Whatever gave anyone the idea that these self-important ignoramuses have anything to tell us about public policy?

    As far as I can tell, Maines is reaping the rewards of insulting her fans. I guess she spent too much time hobnobbing with Sheryl Crow at the Grammies and forgot where she came from.

    Tough Patooties: Please tell us how the US “screwed up” Vietnam? By cutting and running in 1973? Or do you think Vietnam would be a socialist paradise now if we had never gotten involved? Just like,… oh well, never mind.

  • Skeej

    Interesting that liberals seem to continue to rage against the idea of Natalie being personally attacked, or against their right to call the President names.

    Once again, they show their limited intellect, and their own starting point – the name calling infantilism of those who really don’t have a cohesive intellectual argument, but must resort to insults.

    Just like they missed the point about Clinton – it wasn’t about the sex, it was about lying, and his abuse of his power and responsibility as the the chief law enforcer.

    In the same way, liberals miss the point (and I suspect some on purpose) that its not about the right to free speech. Its about the fact that The Dipsh*t Chicks abused their responsibility as citizens to support their fellow Americans by supporting the troops and their Commander in Chief. This, after performing the Stars and Stripes after 9/11, makes it that much more despicable.

    I think it was Lileks who coined the line, that the difference between performers and trained dogs is you can expect the dogs to get down from their hind legs after awhile and stop the stupid tricks…

  • http://www.healyourchurchwebsite.com Mean Dean

    Its not so much what she said, but WHEN.

    As any performer will tell you — TIMING IS EVERYTHING.

  • foolio

    i’ve been to Canada. it’s nice. very clean highways and entertaining pronunciations. maybe it ought to be the 51st state. I guess the provincial borders could be maintained and we would add states 51-63 in one sweep. The Bureau of Indian Affiars could take some cues from Canada’s policies concerning native peoples. Canadians would have to give up their healthcare but the US medicaid system is about the same and that pesky rate of exchange would be irrelevant.

    much love to all (especially Canadians)

    foolio

  • Pissed Redneck

    Our troops are fighting for you and all you can do is call bush an idiot. People are dying on your behalf and whether you agree with the president’s stance on foreign policy or not, you should at least have some consideration for the people that are giving their lives to uphold our American ideals. Ill never buy another CD from these ugly chicks again and i thank heaven every day that i am not a democrat.

  • http://blog.garageofxanadu.com J. Fielek

    Nice satire.

    Mianes certainly has the right to say what she said. Other folks have the right to express their displeasure, either verbally or economically.

    Maines (and a lot of other celebrities) don’t want to suffer potential consequences of their actions and words. Mandating that they remain successful when they’ve obviously pissed off their core audience stomps all over the liberty of that audience.

    They do not have a right to expect record sales, regardless of their talent, when they choose to deliberately piss of the people that might buy their records.

    J

  • foolio

    apparently Pissed Redneck still doesn’t get it. what? no mad Canadians yet?

  • Illiana

    Do the Dixie Chicks have the right to free speech? absolutely. Do I think what Natalie Maines said is tacky? definetly. While it is our right, even our duty, as good Americans to question our government there is a difference between informed disagreement and simply opening one’s mouth to spew bile at someone. However, she should still have the right to say whatever she wants and, conversely people have the right to react to it any way they please. Do I think that the banning of the Dixie Chicks music is the proper course? not really. However, as so many people on here have said, the music business is one based on money, how much money the radio, producers, label, ect. can make off the chicks and how much the chicks can make off of us rest of us. When Natalie said what she did she ran the risk of offending her fan base which has repercussions from how many cd’s are sold, the number of tickets purchased for a concert, to what radio stations choose to carry their music. Capitalism has it’s price and if you can’t handle the cost, then it’s best to just keep your mouth shut.

  • Max Harris

    RSR:

    “Freedom of speech guarantees protections against government censorship.”

    Yes. And while not specifically protecting a free speaker from the will of the people, to call for her silence because she’s ashamed of her president is the begining of the end of free speech. You say that Joe Blow ought to be silenced, there is implicit malevolence in that statement. It may not be towards the First Ammendment. But it might. It really depends on who you think should silence her. If it’s the government, it’s a free speech issue. If it’s Vito, Toshiro, Mikhail, or Joe the enforcer, then it’s a Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness issue. If you just want to take away the pulpit by not buying stuff, then that’s free market economy, the closest thing this country has to a national religion. Course, she might get an NEA grant under the next president (provided Bush doesn’t cut the NEA to nothing to fund an invasion of Iran).

    What freedom of speech is not, however, is the freedom to say whatever you want without consequences. No government could (or should) guarantee that right. When Ms. Maines makes a comment that is guaranteed to provoke a response from her notoriously conservative fanbase then no one should be surprised when that happens.

  • Fred

    Maines is free to say whatever she wants to say. I have the right to boycott her stuff because she’s an ignorant cunt. U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!

  • Lola

    Maines has a degree from Texas Tech. and many stars have four year degrees that their daddy did pay for like that idiot bush who somehow graduated with c and d’s

  • Annette in Canada – now at Tim Hortons…

    Why should we be angry Foolio? You are only repeating what has long been a joke (albeit a nervous one) in Canada, you know, the one about being the 51st State? We do have a lot of resources, and being foolish and generous, we are being screwed out of them because our governments don’t know how to haggle. But our friends benefit, so we accept that. For now.

    Re: toughpatooties points on Canada –
    “The Bureau of Indian Affiars could take some cues from Canada’s policies concerning native peoples.” What cues? How to turn an entire generation of a culture into a lost generation that has a higher suicide rate of any race or minority group in North America? We have protesters here protesting and burning fires in the middle of the highways because they want what they say our forebears stole from them. These same protesters refuse to follow the laws of the white man, and believe themselves to be above those laws, spending thousands of dollars of government funds to their Bands to send their Chief (now defeated) to Europe where he badmouthed the ruling Canadians to any and all who would listen, and even those who wouldn’t. We have nothing to be proud of here when it comes to our relationship with our indigenous population. We don’t have a great relationship with them in general, and many are still treated with contempt, and many of them earn that contempt. And the Inuit, there is another story altogether about our govenrments’ “effective” indigenous peoples policies. Hah.

    Does any of that sound like we are all getting along like one big happy?

    So don’t go thinking we have it all solved. We don’t.

    As for our troops in Afghanistan toughpatooties, we haven’t mentioned them because our helicopter broke down again and won’t be available until we can afford to hire more mechanics….

    And for the last time new readers…. the “speech” by Maines was a SATIRE!! And even if it weren’t, she is a singer! Not a philosopher, and the more you get upset and/or defensive about her remarks, the more power you give them. Sort of like “what if they held a war and nobody came?” It would lose its power. So the next angry poster might want to think about that and let some air out of the balloon, non? (That’s French for no, in case you think I made a typo.)

    Screw it. I’m going for more timbits…… That’s it! All the world’s problems would be solved if only there were more Tim Hortons around the globe….

  • foolio

    so you’ve got no problems with joining the Union. thats great because i’ve always had this thing for Canada: great hockey, vast wilderness and Strange Brew!

    good day, eh

    foolio

  • foolio

    Lola…L-O-L-A…Lola…Lo Lo Lo Lo Lola.

  • Annette in Tim Hortons

    never said I wanted to join the Union, note the adjective “nervous” re: the joke about being the 51st State? But y’all are welcome to become Canadians, if you want, eh?

  • Tom Nally

    Adam Roberts, a_bomb67@hotmail..com, wrote

    >Hitler’s regime tried to stifle celebrity and intelectual critics before
    >and during WWII claiming they were “bad germans”, anyone opposing
    >the blood shed in the name of “homeland defense” were accused of
    >being disloyal to the troops, this was done to pit the working class
    >(which made up much of the army)against any critics and win support
    >for the carnage that took place. sound familiar?

    No, it doesn’t sound familiar.

    Indeed, “free speech” is a limitation on the power of government. Nothing more. Nothing less. The principle of “free speech” asserts that the *government* will not throw you in shackles, confiscate your property, or take away your right to vote for having an opinion that is unpopular. But the principle places no parallel burden on the private sector. And, criticism of the Dixie Chicks is coming from the private sector.

    Now, if a government agency–such as the FBI–was going into record stores to confiscate Dixie Chicks CD’s, then the answer to your question (“…sound familiar?”) would be “yes”.

    But the anti-Chicks reaction is not coming from the government, it is coming from the citizenry, who have no moral or legal obligation not to criticize the Chicks. Nor do they have an obligation not to buy Chicks’ CDs for arbitrary reasons.

    —Tom Nally, New Orleans

  • foolio

    summers are nice but i think it may be too cold in the winter. does Canada offer dual citizenship?

  • ^_______^

    LOL! Go Tim Hortons!

  • ^_______^

    btw foolio…it is cold in Canada…but no colder than any of ur more northern states.

  • tough patooties

    RE: Annette in Canada
    um…I didn’t say anything about First Nations. I do agree, however, that we have nothing to be proud about the relations with native populations. Come to think of it, I doubt any country has hunky-dory relations with indigenous groups. But this has nothing to do with the “apology”, which is, by the way, pretty funny.

    And yes, foolio, Canada does have dual citizenship.

  • ^______^

    I agree tough patooties…this whole thing is really funny. Especially the way some people rant about the Dixie Chicks like it’s the end of the world. I just wish people would get over it.

  • Annette Still in Tim Hortons

    sorry toughpatooties, got so gungho there for a second the glasses fogged up and I lost track of who said what.

    Is really warm here, some of the golf courses have been open on and off since January. Think outside of Los Angeles and Hollywood Hills and you have an idea of our landscape. Not the weather tho.

    Yes, there is dual citizenship here, think you need to be related to a Canadian to get it. My son’s mother-in-law has it.

    Anybody know for sure?

    But at Tim Horton’s, you don’t need a green card or a visa, they take cash……

    sipping away at the java cafe……

  • RSR

    Max Harris said:

    “Yes. And while not specifically protecting a free speaker from the will of the people, to call for her silence because she’s ashamed of her president is the begining of the end of free speech.”

    No, it’s not the beginning of the end of free speech. It’s an expression of free speech itself that can be safely ignored by Natalie Maines if she chooses. No government agency is infringing on her rights to speak.

    There are a lot of celebrities complaining these days that their freedom of speech rights are being stifled but that is not the truth. They have greater access to a microphone and a public to listen than most. Too many of them, though, seem to want freedom of speech to mean freedom from the potential consequences of speech. No one has those rights.

    Celebrities are people who often crave love and acceptance from their audience so they tend to be shocked when their political opinions don’t receive the same love and acceptance as they receive from their art. Welcome to the world. It’s not a freedom of speech issue.

  • Meg

    Satire means what? Freedom of Speech means what? Reading through all the comments people have posted makes me more concerned about humanity than anything.
    People ranting and raving about a satirical comment? HELLO its not real.
    Yes, the war real, the lives that have been and will be lost are real, 9-11 was real, power from any country is real.
    Some “Sane” person saying that they are of American birth but geographically Canadian….get off the pot….. or persons saying that Americans should kick Canadians ass because we have gone against our neighbours….. wake up on Earth next time….. space doesn’t serve you too well anymore.
    I am Canadian, I don’t beleive in this war but neither am I against it and what it stands for. Hussein must be taken out of power I don’t question that and I don’t think that anyone does. I also agree that protestors have the right to protest war…. I think that the protests turning to violence have lost their voice before they even begin, just as anti-abortionists who go around blowing up clinics have lost thiers. I have difficulty with any country going against agreements regarding anything because it ultimately means that the agreement was signed at a time when “it served purpose”, and when they go against that agreement it shows that at that time it doesn’t serve their purpose. Will the U.S. stand by this agreement once again when this war is over, or are they more powerful than that?
    Some countries chose to abide with this agreement and have only asked for proof before backing this war and obviously they haven’t gotten the proof needed. On one hand I am glad that the war has begun…. if someone had taken the time to take Hitler out then many thousands of people would have survived. Sure SOME lives would have been lost in the name of freedom but nothing near to what was….. as will hopefully be the case during this war.

  • Speaking Back

    To Dan….. you have a lot of pent of anger and rage.
    You probably did come to Canada… you’re probably one of those Americans who wanted to carry his gun accross the border to go fishing? Or perhaps your one of those Americans who think we live in Igloos and Ice fish and ski year round? Yes, I think I seen you in your old pick up truck with your confederate flag and your rifle in the back window with skis in the back of your pick-up in July??
    The one thing is….. I know and am friends with many American citizens and they are nothing at all like you. When they speak… its worth listening!!
    All people have a right to their opinion… their is just a calmer way of doing so.
    I am Canadian…. and am proud to be a Canadian. My heart went to Americans with 9-11, it was a sad day for the entire free world. The sadness of that day still exists.
    You talk about Canadians bringing up the war of 1812 when we want to feel superior…. isn’t that what Americans do as well… bring up times of triumph to other countires….. isn’t that what all countries do?? A country and its people generally bring up all the good they have done…. of course we only bring up the bad mistakes we have made when we are cornered.

  • P Barlow

    Just an email I received this am- TIMING is EVERYTHING! with every word you say!
    Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 10:44 PM
    Subject: Dixie Chicks……A Soldiers Remarks

    May she also have the freedom to look for a new career.

    Letter from radio station website in Lubbock, home of the Dixie Chick
    that spewed forth about our president:

    Name: LT Layne McDowell

    Date: 03/15/03
    Time: 01:54:49 PM

    Comment

    An open letter to the Dixie Chicks: Earlier this week, while performing
    in London, you stated that you were ashamed that our President is from
    your home state. I wonder if you realized how many Americans would be
    listening.

    This American was listening. This Texan is ashamed that you come from my
    state. I serve my country as an officer in the United States Navy.
    Specifically, I fly F-14 Tomcats off carriers around the world,
    executing the missions that preserve the very freedom you claim to
    exercise. I have proudly fought for my country in the skies over Kosovo,
    Iraq and Afghanistan without regret. Though I may disagree
    wholeheartedly with your comments, I will defend to the death your right
    to say them, in America.

    But for you to travel to a foreign land and publicly criticize our
    Commander in Chief is cowardice behavior. Would you have so willingly
    made those comments while performing for a patriotic, flag-waving crowd
    of Texans in Lubbock. I would imagine not. How dare you pocket profits
    off songs about soldiers, their deaths and patriotism while criticizing
    their Commander in Chief abroad, even while they prepare to give their
    lives to ensure your own freedom of speech. Please ask yourself, what
    have you done to deserve that sacrifice? Do not try to justify your
    comments by claiming that you made them only because you care about
    innocent lives. Never once in our history have we committed troops to
    war for the purpose of taking innocent lives. We do it to protect
    innocent lives, even yours. If the world leaders of the late 1930’s had
    the vision and courage of our present Commander in Chief, perhaps the
    evil men who caused the death of millions in WWII would have never had
    the opportunity to harm a soul. The potential loss of millions of lives
    in the future at the hands of today’s evil men necessitate action.

    In a separate correspondence, I am returning to you each and every Dixie
    Chicks CD and cassette that I have ever purchased. Never again will I
    allow my funds to support your behavior. All you have done is to add
    your name to a growing list of American “Celebrities” who have failed to
    realize that they have obtained their successes on the backs of the
    American blue-collar workers such as our servicemen and women.

    To Natalie Maines: This Texan? this American will continue to risk his
    life to guarantee your freedoms. What will you do to deserve it

  • Phyllis Raney

    Re: Dixie Chicks

    I can say proudly that I too was raised in Texas. However I don’t consider myself or my family a redneck for we have never cheated on our spouse, never got into drunken bar room fights, never shot up highway signs or kill small animals just for the fun of it. I consider myself as an Adult who through life experiences have a grip on what is right and what is wrong. Using growing up in an environment where this kind of social behaviour is accepted is no excuse. I also realize that some get more publicity than others, however stating your opinions should be thought through in a more tactful way that will state your side and not offend others.

    By the way, did she bother to vote for her president?

  • Bill

    Even better satire- from happy fun pundit-

    Dear Fans,

    Look, I take it all back, okay? I didn’t mean to say that I was embarrassed that George Bush was from Texas. I was just riffin’, you know? Playing off the audience. And what better way to score a few audience points than to trash my own president in a foreign country in a time of war? Where’s the harm?

    Okay, just a minute. That didn’t come out right. I mean, put that way, it sounds like I was doing this just for yucks, and that would make me pretty awful. So no, I was speaking from heartfelt conviction, or I would have never said anything bad about the country or my president. But I’ve changed! I now see that I was totally wrong, and George Bush is the best president EVER.

    Now, can’t we all just get along? I want to re-establish a connection with my fans, in a honest, sincere, and financially lucrative way. Please?

    Signed,

    A Dixie Chick

  • kris

    HOW MANY PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT FREE SPEECH? HOW MANY PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THIS IS ABOUT GOING ALL THE WAY TO ANOTHER COUNTRY BEFORE SHE VOICED HER OPINION BECAUSE SHE KNEW THAT IT WOULD AFFECT HER SALES AND MAKE HER FANS MAD? HOW MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS IS ABOUT HER BEING A COWARD FOR NOT SAYING THAT SHE IS “ASHAMED OF THE PRESIDENT BEING FROM TEXAS” WHILE SHE IS ACTUALLY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, OR JUST PLAIN IN THE US FOR THAT MATTER? WHO CARES ABOUT YOUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH, OR WHAT YOU SAY?! JUST DON’T LOOK LIKE A FOOL, OR MAKE YOUR COUNTRY LOOK LIKE A FOOL BECAUSE YOU AREN’T BRAVE ENOUGH TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINIONS IN FRONT OF THE CROWD THAT FEEDS YOU! BY THE WAY, THE PRESIDENT DOESN’T CARE! HE HASN’T SAID ONE WORD ABOUT IT! HE HAS MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT!!!

  • Johnny_Furious

    A lot of these comments sound almost exactly like the comments that people said during Vietnam.
    “Leave America”, “American, Love it or Leave it”, “American, right or wrong”.

    It’s too bad. We lost so many of our young men exactly because we thought that to be against war or a president was against troops. So we had both Democratic and Republican presidents, Johnson and Nixon, outright lie to us. Sacrificing our fathers, brothers, uncles and friends for the sake of saving face.
    Too bad we didn’t learn anything from that.

    Even more ironic, in that that at a time when the e chicks top song about a soldier killed in Vietnam, who is only remembered by one, should be lambasted for a comment about a President who spent his tour of duty patrolling the skies of Texas against the Vietcong.

    I can understand the anger at Natalie, but to call not only her and her band members who didn’t even say anything…sluts and other terms? That only gives credence of people thinking country fans are small minded, hot-headed fools.
    People are internalizing what Natalie said about Bush. An attack on him is an attack on them. This is also a bit strange. He’s our president indeed. But he’s also our highest elected civil-servant. He is not a demigod, nor even a king. He’s a man with good qualities and bad qualities, who is fallible and makes mistakes like all of us.
    . The vitriol aimed at the pervious administration is continuing only by a different group of Americans towards a different administration. The fact is that many of these people who are so upset are getting a dose of their own foul tasting medicine. And as can be seen, they are reacting poorly.

  • Johnny_Furious

    I don’t get this don’t criticize a president in a foreign land business.
    It’s freaking London. I could maybe understand it if it was in some enemy land, but the last time I checked, England was not our enemy and crazy enough, has troops that are fighting and dying with us.

    What people really mean when they say don’t criticize our president in a foreign land is “I can’t think of a better reason to hate what she said without looking like a complete hypocrite and fool.”
    Each and every one of these posts is just one preacher speaking to his own choir.
    Those against Natalie are mad that she dissed “their” president and are taking it personally.
    Those for Natalie think it’s a big deal about nothing and think the people with their panties in a wad are over-emotional, hypocritical, fascists types who wouldn’t know the true meaning of free speech if it bit them in the ass.
    Especially considering the whole idea of free speech was created especially for dissenting opinions against the government. Against those who spoke out against Kings, anointed by God and incapable of error. Some of you really need to get to know your pre-American history and English history.

  • Not really a fan

    Look, you can hate the Dixie Chicks and you can hate their music, but calling them sluts and referring to Natalie as fat completely undermine whatever point you were trying to make. It might be different if she had said “..we’re ashamed the President is from Texas because he has big-ass f**king DUMBO ears.”

  • Yo

    I dont have a problem with people disagreeing with what the country is doing. That’s what the US is about right?

    What i disagree with is those IDIOTS, and you know they’re idiots, who’s ONLY argument against war is that “Bush is dumb”. They use name calling as an expression of their political views. That sounds awfully familiar to Iraq’s Information Minister who frequently says the US is “stupid and condemned”.

    If you’re against war, can you at least form your own thoughts based on YOUR own research? Everyone who cries “No blood for oil” doesnt realize that 75% of our oil comes from Canada, mexico, and venezuela. Mindless chants of “Bush talks funny! No war!” are not what the founding fathers had in mind when they decided everyone must have free speech. They created it so rational debate could be had.
    Both sides of the political spectrum have hotheads who dont think before they speak.

    It just seems like there’s alot more of those hothead idiots on the left, based on news reports of protests in NYC, Chicago, and San Fran. Vocal minority I guess.

  • Mike

    If the United States is as bad as some of the above say, how come we have more people immigrating than the rest of the world COMBINED. People are voting with their feet.

    Also people should understand, celebrity does not mean competancy. Especially without information. Let all talk. Listen and make up your own mind. But dont kill the deliverer of messages you dont agree with.

  • Frustrated

    All this passionate Bush-Bashing is fabulous, I just hope you all remember this come the next presidential election so we can get this numb-nuts out of office. Talk is cheap. Action is priceless.

  • Kimberlea

    Bravo to P. Barlow… Well Said!! From a Midland, Texan.. and proud of it!!!!

  • http://Bravo! wayne

    When historians looks at all of this invective going on they will marvel at the wonders that our founding fathers’ created. Every one of you, no matter your viewpoint proves the truth of their vision. Glorious free speech!! A wonderous idea that must never be lost…the right to be an asshole!! This is the greatest part of their creation and the reason that democratic societies are so much better than socialist or communist ones. In all truth, if ALL of the people (including the religeous and moral ones!!) are allowed to speak what they believe then they are far less likely to be forced to violence to regain their freedoms. In addition the idea that the society as a whole has a right to think you are an asshole for your views is also a part of that freedom. To say “shame on someone” is a far different thing than legislating speech. People should not have a right to have their feelings protected by the law. God Bless all of you assholes out there!! And, God Bless all of us who think you are assholes!!

  • Kimberlea

    The point is that Natalie was on foriegn soil when she made the comments about Bush. You just don’t go over to another country and disrespect your President. Yes she is entitled to her own opinion and I don’t think that anyone disputes that, but she should have never opened her mouth in a foriegn country. Had she said that in her own country, the backlash of all of this would not have been so bad. She would have been in her own country where she WAS FREE to say what she wanted to say. I think that it is really sad for them because this is going to effect their career for years to come. I am very proud of our President and Very proud of ALL the AMERICAN and BRITISH troops over in Iraq fighting to keep America safe and to preserve what every other soldier has fought to keep for ALL Americans, our FREEDOM.. And as for Freedom Fries, I am all for it… Let FREEDOM RING!!!!! And yes, England is our Allie, but it is still a foriegn country. It is not our country, so what Natalie said should have been said inside the USA and like P. Barlow said would she have been so brazen to do so in the USA?

  • Shakey

    When historians looks at all of this invective going on they will marvel at Wayne’s inability to hit the send key just once.

  • David

    What’s all the hubub? Who really cares what some Dixie Chick thinks about the war? I don’t care about her politics. I just like listening to the music. Like any American, celebreties are entitled to an opinion. It’s for the same reason that I don’t care if Kevin Spacey is a fidget. He can have sex with a goat, for all I care. But he sure makes some great movies.

  • Stan

    I have to say reading some of the comments here is rather disheartening. Some of you should read over the posts by Johnny_Furious and practice putting together a coherent, logical statement that does not rely on name-calling for effect.

  • Kathy

    I can’t believe radio stations are actually boycotting the Dixie Chicks. So, they’re the only ones in the US who aren’t allowed to voice their opinions? What about all the trucks driving around with those crude pictures on them berating other brands, etc.?

    I still like the Dixie Chicks, and would even if I disagreed with their opinions. It’s called freedom of speech, and open-mindedness.

  • Stan

    Yo – It’s not just the left. The right is just as full of people who base their arguments on half-formulated ideas. Intellectual laziness is not the exclusive property of liberals.

    Wayne – You are so right… god bless the assholes!

  • Laughing My Ass Off

    After spending a few moments reading the posts above I can not help but shake my head and laugh. Hundereds of people ranting on about a post that was clearly stated to be a satire (ie) FAKE. Thats right FAKE thats what satire means. Also to make fun of using fictional means. Now do you all get it. The posted appology was FAKE. Thank God I have the Freedom to make this post and point that little tid bit out.

  • Matt

    Wayne,

    The point is not that she was on foreign soil. If she had made those comments here in the U.S., she would have been just as villified. Witness Michael Moore, Martin Sheen, etc.

    My only beef with her is that she retracted part of it. I AM embarassed to have GW as our president. I hope this war is ended soon – too many have already died!

    Matt

  • REPUBLICAN

    Its easy for the Hollywood famous to jump up on a soap box and start grandstanding. Thats how they earn a living. They then complain about the persecution they receive by those who disagree. They state that they are only exercising their right to free speech, but so are we that disagree with them. They think that persecution is connected to their loss of money and fame. Its hard to sell that idea when there are men women and children being beaten and abused and killed for their hope of a free Iraq.

  • Amy T

    There are so many things being said on this post that I couldn’t read them all. For as far as I’ve gotten I’ve come to see that this post is simply a forum for senseless bickering. But who can argue with free speech, right? It seems though, that through our freedom of speech we are merely becoming divided, and that’s too bad.

    I don’t know foreign policy or the running of a city, state, or nation. That’s not my job. I may be naive in thinking that our government knows best but they have more information than I have and that’s there job. I try to be as informed as I can be but even that is hard to do with so much conflicting information.

    So I will continue to watch the news, continue to listen to protesters and continue to pray that this is over soon. I may not ‘like’ the war; hopefully there are few who do. But it’s happening and throwing insults back and forth isn’t going to change it.

  • Leslie

    I was never really a Chicks fan before, but I am now. As a Canadian who is (like most sane people) anti-war (especially when the ultimate goal of the war is to gain control of the Iraqi oil fields), I have a hard time believing the criticism the Chicks are facing. Do Americans not have the right to free speech? Up here, we have several television shows that are devoted to satire and criticism of the government. You Republican types take yourselves way too seriously down there.

  • Steve

    Amazing! Scanning through these posts and reading many, it’s just amazing that so many ‘posters’ don’t get that this was not said by Natalie. It’s repeated numerous times and still they don’t get it.
    The best ‘post’, in my opinion, was from Stan, the last one of the entire group.
    Loved Shakey’s take, too!

  • george

    I want to thank everyone for their overwhelming support in this war! My family and I just could not have done it without you…So don’t let a few whiners ruin our party in Iraq! My family owns about $100M in ExxonMobil stock and about $50M in British Petroleum and a large interst in Halliburton Oil services as well. When the party is over, my holdings have a great chance to triple (maybe more??) in value as a result of forming new “partnerships” in Iraq!! We will be able to avoid taxes and skirt environmental laws as we extract oil freely.

    Of course we needed your support…it is especially nice that American families have sent their sons and daughters to fight for my family’s wealth…we appreciate it because my family doesn’t really like to get its hands dirty. Those that do not come back alive, we thank you from the bottom of our hearts and we will write it off as the cost of doing business.

    So…may our forces kick ass and our PlayStation2 pilots be on target as eliminate those annoying brown peoiple in Iraq.

    Stay tuned for all the fun details (we will leave out the gory images as it makes war less fun for the homeviewers) on CNN – “We Make War Fun!!”

    “Wow, this war is just like a video game when you don’t have to witness the carnage firsthand!!”
    -viewer

    Take Care all and god bless America!!

  • r.t.f

    you all can voice your opinions. Say what you will, it’s ok. Just remember, at times you have to question authority or you may end up in the swamp and eaten by gators! President Bush is a product of his experiences, just like all of us. I do not believe he is doing what he believes is right. I do not agree with everything he says or does. But I do try to be as positive as possible. The realities of war are harsh. No game here people. The media talks so much they sicken me. I mean the Iraqis only have to read our newspapers or listen to CNN to get all the info on our troop postions. Pray for peace and open your eyes and keep them open.

  • Terry

    I don’t see how anyone can listen to her squeal out a song anyway but now there is a bigger reason not to patronize her. Bt the way, isn’t this the same group where one of the girls ran out on her husband. I don’t think loyalty is one of this groups strong points.

  • steven

    Oh My Goodness!!! I cant believe you people. I cant even believe that I am actually sitting here reading this, or even posting myself. I just had to say, this is a free country. Freedom of speech is one of our rights. People are free to feel and say what they want!!! And, by the way, IT’S A SATIRE, A FAKE, A WRITER’S FICTION.

  • Stan

    So, RTF… do you think Bush is doing what he believes is right or not doing what he believes is right? You are contradicting yourself in your multiple posts…

  • nathan

    Well, it looks like I am the lucky millionth person to chime in on such a moot point. Back and forth, back and forth, what is it with you people. If the people opposing the war would get out and serve others and do something humanitarian just to show how much they really care about mistreated people and if the people who supported the war would do the same we wouldn’t have so many idiots online thinking they have the solution to “problems” such as what some idiot chick said or didn’t say. This coming from a conservative who loves to argue, but folks no amount of arguing will ever convince me or others that the war is wrong. Go out and help someone today, debate and argue over serving soup or building a house for the less fortunate. Sound like a plan? It would help our country a lot more.

  • Thinker

    “Freedom of speech is one of our rights. People are free to feel and say what they want!!!”

    True, every word. What you seem to forget, however, is that it is that same freedom of speech that allows us to respond to the comments that this airhead really said.

  • Stan

    Nathan – The irony of your post is too good for words :)

  • Benny

    Natalie voiced an opinion. That’s what makes this Country great. We can do that without being thrown in jail. Whether you agree with her or not, she has the right to her opinion. Like it or not we are in a war right now and there is no good way out. BTW the desired outcome of this conflict is an Iraq where Iraqis can act like Natalie Maines without fear.

  • mark

    great…about time someone pointed this out ..rock on natalie.

  • Steve

    It seeems that if so many of you who don’t get that Natalie’s apology was a satire, written by someone else over her name, would have been panic stricken if they had heard Orson Welles’ “War of the Worlds” radio broadcast back in 1936.
    Hello?

  • Chicken Little

    Hey y’all, the sky is falling!!!
    Work on that for a while.

  • Andy

    “….I realize it’s wrong to have a liberal opinion if you’re a country music artist. I guess I should have thought about that before deciding to play music that attracts hypocritical red necks.
    I also realize now that I’m supposed to just sing and look cute so our fans won’t have anything to upset them while they’re cheating on their wives or getting in drunken bar fights or driving around in their pickup trucks shooting highway signs and small animals.”
    I am not a fan of country music, in fact I hate it. From this statement if I was a fan of this music I would never listen to this two-faced chick again. If Iron Maiden started downin their fans I sure as hell wouldn’t listen to them anymore. It just goes to show you how ignorant some of the people that listen to this music can be. She was cracking on you, ya jackasses.

  • Moonlight

    To all of the conservative republicans posting on this website, I have one question: Would you be so eager to send other people’s children to the front lines if former President Clinton wanted the exact same war for the exact same reasons?

    My guess is no. Prominent republicans like George Will and Rush Limbaugh would be dead-set against it. They would say things like, “We don’t want to get involved in nation-building.” And you all would repeat that mantra incessantly.

    What does this mean? It means that we, as a nation, no longer care about the quality of a person’s ideas. Rather, we care only who is putting forth those ideas. That’s fascism, people.

    Surely, this is not what Thomas Jefferson and George Washington–and all of the other great men who built this country–had in mind.

    It saddens me that we have become so divided.

  • chris

    Even if we all do not agree with what our president is doing right now, why should we all have to argue about ourselves. It makes us americans look stupid, when people read these and say” god, they can’t even agree on the little things, how can they take care of other people’s problems in other countries.It makes us look like we don’t even know what we are doing here in america!

  • Brandon

    May I just remind you all…….

    President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other than Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)

    Barbra Streisand : Completed high school Career: Singing and acting

    Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade. Career: Singing and acting

    Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton. Career: Acting

    Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year. Career: Acting

    Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal. Career: Acting

    Julia Roberts: Completed high school. Career: Acting

    Sean Penn: Completed High school. Career: Acting

    Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. Career: Acting

    Ed Asner; Completed High school. Career: Acting

    George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky. Career: Acting

    Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan. Career: Movie Director

    Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School. Career: Acting

    Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School. Career: Acting

    Mike Farrell: Completed High school. Career: Acting

    Janeane Garofelo: Dropped out of College. Career: Stand up comedienne

    Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year. Career: Acting

    I am amazed there are so many DOGMATIC celebs that even dare open their mouth! So many of you have bashed on politicians when it is Hollywood that has ruined this nation and we can only blame ourselves. They feel that they are better (and more powerful) than God. Their egocentric gratuitous remarks prove their ingnorance and should be considered egregious. I thank God I live in a country where we have the right to free speech. Can you imagine what poor Natalies fate would have been if she lived in Iraq and said that?

  • Eric

    Wow. Forget the Chick’s comment. Its the hearts (judging by a sample of these submissions) of the rest of us that trouble me. There is so little restraint in people these days. On the other hand, there is so little true strength of conviction either. I’d be interested to see how many of these comments would be delivered face-to-face, if this anonymous means wasn’t available. People wander about, intense thoughts brewing away in their hearts, cowardly (or simply without thought) not letting it be known. Get courage and speak tenderly your passion to my face instead of your rage from behind a wall.

  • berrybear

    I just have to say, after reading several of these post, that I as a proud American am supporting my troops 100%. I have loved ones who are there. I hope and pray for a speedy victory in Iraq. What I don’t hope and pray for is the results we could see afterwards. I think that thousands of jobs will be available in Iraq that should be available here first. I see thousands of Iraqi’s living better than I myself am now living because the Republicans running this country who have stock in fortune 500 companies are going to see to it that the Iraqi oil is used not only for the good of that country, but the good of there wallets. Our economy is in peril and I don’t see any relief soon unfortunately. President Bush is an idiot. I think he’s a smart business man, but it takes so much more to be a president of the people of America. All you rich ass white collar and Bible thumping hipocrites can say what you may, but if anyone believes that Bush is doing better than Bill well then your just as dumb as him. Remember that over course of history our ecomony and the general well-being and moral of our country is ALWAYS better under a Democratic leader. Please remember this in the next presidential election.

  • Guhns

    For years now the European community has launched a PR campaign to make Americans feel irresponsible for their prosperity. The U.N. has constantly lobbied treaties that allow them more control over the American economy and even American troops. It is not Americans who are guilty of arrogance but those that turn their envy into hate. Why is it a crime for Americans to be proud? They have worked hard maintaining freedom and making their own society a better place. Other people our proud of their countries to the point of riots at sporting events! Yet for some reason a proud American is an arrogant American. There has never been a country in the history of the world as generous as the United States. Who do people call on for Military help? Who do people call on for economic help? Where do people flee to for a better life? All these questions can be answered with one word…America. Every country has its faults that is assured. But if America is so bad.. Find me a country that is better? Why is it shameful for America to look out for America? After all isn’t that what the rest of the world is doing when they bastardize America?

  • brad

    It seems that most of you on this site don’t get it when it comes to either the real Dixie chicks or the satired version: Every American can have the right to speak freely their opinion BUT that doesn’t mean that you are free from the results of that free speech.
    Free speech means you should be able to say your opinions without worry of government sanction. But it does not mean that you are free from the sanctions that other societal elements may respond with that are within their legal rights also. Sanctions such as my ability to spend my dollars on some other group, band or artist. My right to be just as vocal about my support for the person or issue which the Dixie chicks just blasted.
    Free speech does not mean that you can speak freely without any consequences! That is where most of the “free speech” advocates go so dreadfully wrong.

  • Dave M.

    A lot of people have forgotten that Goerge W. Bush avoided service in Vietnam and tooted cocaine. Cheney and Rumsfeld also avoided service in Vietnam. They avoided fighting and dying for this country. Yet suddenly the French, Michael Moore, Valerie Maines, and 40% us patriotic Americans can’t express an opinion. Before any Christian fundamentalist or corporate power advocate flames me, please study the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the words and source of the Statue of Liberty and please think. Peace, Justice, and Domocracy be with you all, forever, Left and Right.

  • AB

    Roach, why don’t you run to your nearest school and grab yourself an education. Learn how to speak and write before you look like an ass.

  • Tony McCleary

    Just proves my belief since 1955 and “we like ike”, the farther right you go the dumber you get.

  • Dan in Alaska

    G.W. has a greater intellect, is a wiser, and more honorable person than the majority of the posters here combined. History will smile on Bush and his cabinet. God bless the USA, God bless the U.S. Armed Forces.

    Take this…

    “It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy course; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat.”

    THEODORE ROOSEVELT

    (Paris Sorbonne,1910)

    Impertio libertas alterum impertio decessus!!!
    (give me liberty or give me death)
    Veritas vos Liberabit
    (the truth shall set you free)

  • Max Harris

    Danny Boy the pipes are calling you:

    Please Explain how any of this applies to the Shrub.

    Sure, I see the connection when you talk about failing and failing again, but that assumes valiant striving. Was it valiant when he went AWOL from his Viet Nam dodge, the Texas Air National Guard?

    If you think that quote really applies to Bush, think about what Teddy Roosevelt himself might say about him. TR was a veteran. A man who led a foolish, in retrospect, charge up a hill to become a war hero. TR was a trust buster, not a trust maker. TR was a bold Populist president, Bush is a bold faced poll ignorer. I don’t think TR would like his quote being applied to GWB. I think even the excessive cowboy persona of TR would gasp at the antics of Bush.

  • Max Harris

    Oh yea, just noticed something.

    Maines was in a foreign country. I believe she was on a European tour when she made her comments. I don’t think it is fair to categorize her actions as, “She went all the way to London to critique the “president””. I don’t really see that as factual, even if it was her first day out of the country. She was clearly there on business (the closest thing the US has to an organized, state religion).

    I see it happened like this. Maines gets to England, watches some BBC, who aren’t afraid to show the president in an honest light (ie not fawn over him, excuse his dyslexia, diction, or poorly thought out policies), and felt compelled to make a comment. She just got so frustrated with the way that the Shrub ignores the people who do not agree with him, she felt compelled.

    I do not think it was the way the ProShrub community is portraying it, which is that she’s a dummy, who plotted the whole tour as a cover to go to a foreign country and launch a personal attack on the “president.” She was sitting in the Dixie Cave, her secret hideout, and thinking, “What can I do to really get people going? I know, we’ll go to Europe and I’ll say that I’m ashamed of Bush. That way, I can piss off my fans back home, and really really really boost my sales in France where they are big consumers of English language country music.”

    Gotta be the latter. No other way to look at it.

    “I get good advice, if you will, from their people based upon how we’re doing business and how we’re operation over and above the just sort of normal, by-the-book auditing arrangement.”

    Dick Cheney promoting Arthur Andersen and their accounting practices in the late 90’s.

  • Dan in Alaska

    The point remains, no one is in the position that GW is in, and you can all vomit up your opinions until the cows come home, no matter, you don’t count!!!
    None of us have the benefit of being in that set of shoes, and I’m sure your plum full of ideas about what you would do if you were! I am equally as certain that every one of them would be met by blather similar to that which is found in places like this.
    I’ve read the entire post and the TR quote kept leaping out of my mind, a bunch of shitball critics. It’s good that there are many places such as this where you can spew on and on, coke snorting drunk driver, AWOL from the guard, war for oil, blah blah, on and on and on….many of you are loaded to the gills right now! Even if the worst of what they say is true, it’s a damn sight better than the alternatives. Besides these old lines are SOOO TIRED!

    You just don’t matter. Who gives a flying squirrel shit what some country singer has to say about the president? Sure it pisses me off, but hey, I don’t wanna be told to shut up, plus, she is paying the price for her big fat mouth, via other people excersising their own right to spew….just deserts if you ask me.

    The anti-war crowd are, through and through, NOT anti-war, they HATE GW with a white hot seething deep down in the belly style of hatred. I’ve nothing against a principalled opposition to war, but it’s been converted into a smear and spite campaign.

    The election is really the burning issue here, it’s what has all the libs so fired up, and this is just an opportunity to put the Iraq issue to work for them in the endeavor to discredit Bush.
    (It’s a two way street, it happened to clinton for most of 8 years)

    I didn’t leave the Democratic party, they left me.

    The popular vote is not how an election is decided in this country, here’s a flash for you, we live in a republic, so take your democracy and blow it right out your backdoor.

    Again, the real point I’m making is that everyone on this board, myself included, do not amount to a collective heap of shit in the big picture, so RAVE ON you miserable bastards…I’ll be eating dinner with my family, and rooting for GW and the USA.

    God bless, and good night.

  • s

    foolio – Canadians understand what satire is :) therefore we don’t have to get our noses out of joint!

    Phyllis and Andy – ITS A SATIRE!!!!!!

    There’s a village in Texas missing its idiot!

  • tony

    Hey Dan:
    Ever wonder how we went from peace and prosperity to unemployment and war in 2 short years. Could be that fixed election.

  • Dan in Alaska

    Ok, I’m listening, explain as well as you possibly can, precisely how the election was fixed, and I’ll listen openly and honestly, I want you to tell me how it happened.

    I’ll honestly hear it from anyone who will tell me as long as they can do it without frothing at the mouth about it. Most importantly, I’ll take an objective position, and do a reasonable amount of research into any assertion your willing to provide.

    This really is the predominant theme amongst the staunchest Bush detractors, and it’s very apparent that there is a firm belief out there that that election was BOGUS. So, lay it on me. Anyone reading this is welcome to explain this supposedly fraudelent election to me. As it stands, I don’t believe it, and I think it is a low, cheap blow. My email address is available, if not I’ll make sure the whole crowd can email whatever they want, to my yahoo account of course.

    No one has ever sufficiently explained this, maybe there is a Michael Moore film on it.

    If anyone here can show me a remotely plausible theory on this, well I dunno what the hell I’d do.

  • Fuck You, Dan

    World to Bush: Eat another pretzel, asshole.

  • Dan in Alaska

    You see? Exactly what I’m talking about, bunch of sore loosers.

  • foolio

    Tony? are you still sore that the democrats couldn’t “fix” the election as effectively as the republicans. apparently stuffing ballot boxes and doesn’t work quite as well as having a governor for a brother.

    much love to all (especially sore democrats)

    one very humble fool

  • Kwll

    Sheep. In more ways than one. Why?

    To the SUV driving, latte guzzling, sign carrying cowards in the streets who feel that they can TALK the Hitlers and Saddams of the world into getting along with those they’ve pledged to eradicate – there are no words I could write that would illustrate how pathetic you are more effectively than your reflections in a mirror.

    To people who want to cry ‘Ugly American Imperialism’ at every turn – It’s amusing that most of you are from countries that occupied, colonized, and/or enslaved others as a way of life hundreds of years before America was an independent country. Listen up France,Italy,China, and anyone living in what used to be the Persian Empire; I’m talkin to you.

    To any Catholics, or Scientologists (yeah you Hollywood) – Speak nothing about governmental brainwashing, misinformation, and coersion; your ideologies have relied on it since their inception.

    To those who think they can hide their irresponsibillity behind the banner of First Amendment freedoms – Those freedoms were fought for, and died for. Each time you write one of your petty signs, or run your mouth about things you don’t understand, you prove that war works and makes changes when at times nothing else will. We also have a Constitutional right to bear arms. If I abused it as you abuse speech, I might feel like I could blow your head off for cutting in line at McDonalds. The world watches you undermine our President’s authority, and is jealous because if they pulled this nonsense in their countries, they might catch a perfectly legal beatdown.

    To the Press, who is ‘Just Trying To Keep Us Informed’ – I don’t give a damn about whether the next American soldier to die is Mexican, Black, Asian, or Martian. Stop with the ‘Special Expose’ coverage of the First –Prepend Soldier’s Race Here– Casualty. You divide America more than any war or religion ever could. Even in death.

    To celebrities who think their status makes them some kind of new millenium Willam Buckley – If you’re so sick of the American ‘blood money’ policies, I think I can help. Start working for $6.50/hr, or shut your asses up. You never seem to have sh*t to say about the evils of materialism when you’re wearing the gross national product of some countries around your neck at the Oscars, patting each other on the back for PRETENDING to be army generals, or presidents, or martyrs, do you?

    I’m done.

  • Stan

    Brad makes an excellent point. If you have not seen it, scroll up and read…

    Dan… don’t they have anger management classes in Alaska? You need to relax buddy :) BTW, the fact that the U.S.A. is a Republic does not prevent it from also being a democracy.

    Kwll… A little predjudice are we?

  • Dan in Alaska

    I’m going to skip arguing about our form of government here.

    Stan, no we don’t do anger management up here, it’s highly frowned upon and we’re looking at passing a state law banning all forms of anger management. Alaska is one of the few states that isn’t completely estrogenated yet, we don’t like fluffy BS like anger management. Up here, that garbage is for the spandex/bicycle trail crowd.

  • Diana

    A great country singer can’t say it, but actors can??? Natalie didn’t say anything that most of us haven’t already said – “I’m embarrased . . .”!!

  • Stan

    Ha ha ha… good post Dan!

    This is totally off-topic, but what is your take on the ANWR drilling, if you don’t mind my asking? I’ve heard a lot of arguments from either side, but I’d be curious to hear the opinion of someone who actually lives in AK.

  • JOSE

    Young military personnel are being killed over seas (mainly by friendly fire. Good job Dubya)so that the Iraqi people can be liberated, feel safe on the streets, keep from getting raped and killed due to a maniac and his inbreeds, and so that they may have freedom of speech. And here in the good ole US of A Natalie and the chicks are being made an example of, and unfortunatly by some that wouldn’t defend there own mothers, wives and children, much less their own country How pathetic and hypocritical.

    As for the Satire, I wish she did say that. I would honestly agree with 95% of it. ( I like texans)

  • Dan in Alaska

    The ANWR issue is a joke, we built a pipeline through the area with 0 negative effects. With directional drilling technology, the footprint is nominal, plus we could point a bit at Canada and suck a few million barrels a day out of them too.

    The fact that they passed a ban on drilling last week is almost as empty as the “Selected not Elected” assertion from the sore loosers above.
    What government does, government can undo.

    There is not one good reason not to drill in ANWR, and I’ll take all challengers on that issue as well. We also have the Naval reserves up here, west of the ANWR.

    The truth is that there very few opponents to drilling up here, we do alot of it, and people basically have a difficult time arguing against it here since we have so much drilling going on that most are pretty comfortable with it. We do have our resident spandexers who run around wringing their hands and weeping about the poor caribou, but they are mostly ignored.

  • Char

    Anyone else find it intriguing that(oil services giant) Halliburton has been awarded the “clean up” contract in Iraq? A company that has for years been gearing it’s resources toward a war and post-war economy.

  • Dan in Alaska

    By the way, the caribou are doing great, come to think of it, I have some in my freezer right now, breakfast sausage and Chorizo. Need more though, getting low. The meat is incredibly lean and free of fat and grease. Plus there are THOUSANDS of them, they are doing so well since the pipeline was completed, that the issue has become a bane to the envirofreak crowd here in the state.

  • Tom J.

    To Dan in Alaska:

    If you want this war so badly, you should walk down to your local Army recruiting office and volunteer for infantry duty.

    By the way, it is our civic DUTY as citizens of the United States to always be vigilant in questioning the motives and intentions of our elected leaders. If we allow our president to bully us into obedience on every issue, you can be sure he will someday declare himself “President for Life”.

    Then we’re all screwed.

  • Stan

    I’ve never had Caribou… I imagine it tastes like Venison or Elk, eh?

  • Andy

    I am not a republican, nor do I agree with all that this country stands for. I am not however not an ignorant piece of shit. I know what satire is, and dixie bitch is calling her fans a bunch of ignorant redneck tools. If you are too ignorant to realize that, then maybe you do fit into what she thinks about her fan-base. I would have stood behind Clinton’s actions if this would have happened during his time in office. If these f–kers think they can come into our borders and kill our citizens and get away with it, they are in for a bitch slap. I sure as hell am glad that most of you aren’t points of authority. Americans are fighters. That’s how we got this country. Remember? We still fight. If you don’t believe that just go into your local tavern on Friday night and call someone a fag. They will try to throw down on you…unless they are gay. I mean no disrespect to homos but there are alot of homophobes who will jack you up if they are disrespected in front of their boys. We as Americans should all be out for blood. An eye for an eye.

    How soon we forget the tragedy that got us to this point.

  • Michele O.

    Natalie,
    I am an American just like you. I have the right to freedom of speech as well. I am ashamed, along with many others, that you are from Lubbock, Texas.

  • Dan in Alaska

    What the heck is it that makes you think I want a war?

    I never questioned your right/duty to be suspicious of government.

    I become critical when the Bush antagonists get stupid, like they do here.

    Let me be clear, I didn’t vote for Bush, I never supported his campaign. I support our president now. Nothing pisses me off more than the not-my-president crowd. I’m not going to anger management for that either.

    The largest portion of the anti-war crowd are, as I said, masking their insane hatred for Bush with a peace symbol.

    “Something was missing from last weekend’s vast wave of demonstrations against war in Iraq……… Iraqis.”
    –Jeff Jacoby

  • Zina

    Thank goodness we have the right to free speech in the U.S. However this doesn’t mean that there are no consequences to what we have to say. Natalie Maines should be very thankful that these consequences don’t include execution (Iraq) or having her entire family, including her young son, shipped to an atrocious prison camp where the life expectancy of a child is very short (N. Korea).

  • Dan in Alaska

    I agree, as irritating and as irrational as they can be, I’m glad they can get out there and wave a sign and yell. I just wish they would stay out of traffic.

    Nonetheless, as the atrocious behavior of the Iraqi government has ever increasing light shed on it, I get more and more thankful that we have it so good. So, like I said, RAVE ON!!! It’s your right, but free speach has consequences, and it’s a good thing that it does.

  • Stan

    LOL… Andy are you really sure you know what satire is? Do you know what irony is too?

    Thanks for making my day!

  • Char

    Hello! HALLIBURTON = CHENEY. Agressively gearing up over the past decade (at least) to profit on a wartime economy! Conservatively speaking, even a Republican should be able to do the math! Does it take an insult to prevoke dialog on this site?

  • American

    It’s SO interesting to see SO many people get SO riled by one comment from the Dixie Chicks.

    Reading through these emails, I can’t help but wonder about the types of words and phrases that are being used; celebrity, arrogant, disrespectful, whining, unfair, meanies, criticized, blather, good taste, DESERVED, cheap, narcisstic multiple felon, scheming, conservatives, far-reaching, star-status, cowardly dictator, simple-minded, LIBERAL, unpratrotic, too much money, too few brains, stupid, uninformed liberals, Benefit for Poor Stupid Stars, Babsra, Slamming, liberal vomit, another ultra liberal Hollywood type, under educated, arrogant celebrity type , convoluted idealist ideas, Total disregard, retarded American Republican/Facsists , Nazis, boycotts, retribution, ostracism, simple , looking cute, crappy cds, fat ass, tact, big fat mouth, censorship-punishment, Ms. High & Mighty, suck, Benedicta Arnold, stupid anti-war, anti USA freaks, Move to F—in France, your stupidity, whining, snivelling liberals, whup the ass, TREASON, peaceniks, big mouths, selfserving,closeminded,self centered pussy, bunch of fags, communist sociopath, hate filled ungrateful American, Bush hater, big liberal mouth.

    Pretty interesting choice of words. Says a lot about our intellect, or lack of it. On one hand, I find it very comical, but at the same time, I am saddened with the personal attacks, rudeness, disrespect, and our general inability to formulate a logical and intelligent debate. It seems that the nation is severely divided and not united, not only regarding the Dixie Chicks, but across all religious and political issues. If people do not quickly learn how to behave as peaceful and respectful human beings, this nation is headed towards a very hard landing some time in the near future.

    My position of the Iraq issue: I do not agree with the timing of the unprovoked and pre-emptive strike against Iraq. I do support all armed forces with the tasks that they are given. I believe 100% in freedom of speech and despise any form of censorship or control of that freedom.

  • Andy

    So Stan, you’re saying she is using her sarcastic wit to prove a point at the expense of her fans? Stan, Stan, Stan. She is all about putting her fans down. They are the majority of the people on the other side of the fence. Oh yeah, I went to college. I know what satire is. But her tone is all wrong. She doesn’t smirk it off, she just goes further into her ditch.

  • Stan

    Bravo American! You get the prize for most intelligent post on here!

  • Stan

    Andy… You totally missed the point my boy. It is satire because Natalie didn’t write it. Thus the irony of your post…

  • Andy

    Enlighten me boss, who wrote it?

  • Dan in Alaska

    I’m thinking Andy doesn’t get it.

    I’m thinking that this…

    If people do not quickly learn how to behave as peaceful and respectful human beings, this nation is headed towards a very hard landing some time in the near future.”

    …and this…

    “How soon we forget the tragedy that got us to this point.”

    are quite true.

    So take the first point, and then consider how likely it is to happen. People suck on the whole, humans are a nasty bunch by nature, and we’re not getting much better.

    We’re sliding downhill….that’s a fact. America is changing…for the better…?

    I’m not entirely certain.

    In the end, the Dixie Chicks will continue to make money, they’re comments will be forgotten easily, lost in all the noise.

    The point being, as TR said,

    “It’s not the critic who counts…”

    Let us not forget that the war was brought to us, we’ve only begun to retort. It’s going to get bloody as hell, and Baghdad is only stop number one.

  • Char

    Thank you, American.

    People, let go of making “positioning” the issue. It serves only to demonstrate a lack of analytical ability. We attacked another country. Weren’t we all brought up believing that this is not what “America” is about? Without UN sanction and international support does it not occur to you that in this issue we are perceived far and wide as the bad guys? I support our service people, always have. It is unconscionable to me that by greed and design (re: Halliburton) they, and we, are put in such a position. Iraq attack the U.S.? Get real. Control their oil supply? Of course. In that isn’t both our country’s goal the same? I believe we are now assured an attack on our “homeland”.

  • Stan

    Andy, it was written by someone at http://www.thespeciousreport.com/index.html, a satirical website…

  • Andy

    Well, I guess I won’t get it. I just want to leave everyone with this. We were attacked. This war isn’t some government scheme to take over the world. See, the media took all those horrible pictures off the news and everyone forgot. I know there’s alot of emails and people saying not to forget 9-11, but I think most people that are anti-war block that day out of memory. Was that day urreal for you? Well it happened. Remember how you felt that day.

    I hate country music.

  • Dan in Alaska

    The assurance was present already, not because of war on Iraq, it was assured and certain way before that. The whole war for oil idea is about as tired as it gets.

    We don’t need to invade Iraq to take the oil. We’ve been projecting economic might all over the planet. We could have kept a bunch of it after gulf 91, under the pretense of paying for the cost of liberating Kuwait, which, was a perfectly valid reason for snagging some oil then, and it will be the same now.

    It’s just a silly assertion, and the Bush administrations ties to big oil are quite well known so spare me the Cheney/Anderson/Halliburton crap.

  • Enrique Juavez

    Obviously Andy has a lot of homophobic feelings he needs to get out by his comments above. Such hate speech should not be tolerated by anyone inside or outside the gay community. Let’s all boycott his comments boys!

  • Char

    Hide in plain sight. A standard tactic.

  • Dan in Alaska

    Funny how the ultra-tolerance crowd,
    being the same bunch that brought us Teaching tolerance classes, sensitivity training, and 0 tolerance policies,

    turned out to be the least tolerant of us all.

  • Stan

    Don’t get me started on “zero tolerence” policy…

  • Enrique Juavez

    There should no tolerance for homophobia in any society. Statitics show that 6 of 10 indviduals still have prejudiced feelings against the gay community. Andy is yet another example of those statistics, along with Natalie Maines.

  • Star

    American:
    You forgot “commies” Hehehe

  • Dan in Alaska

    Why don’t you post on some gay forum then?
    Not liking homosexuality, is not a phobia.
    You people ought to quit force feeding that garbage to the rest of us. Another frothing vocal minority, you can’t MAKE people approve of you. I do NOT approve of homosexuality, and there is absolutely nothing normal about it.

    I have negative feelings toward homosexuality, not homosexuals. You can pass all the hate crime legislation you want, it will only galvanize resistance. You can’t legislate how people feel, and you can’t legislate a persons moral position.

    Stats show this, stats show that, about as meaningful, arbitrary and manipulated as your basic poll.
    WHAT STATS?
    WHO PROVIDED THEM?
    WHO PAID FOR THE STUDY?

    Andy is no example of a homophobe, your the one with the phobia.

  • Dan in Alaska

    So what do you think of what they do to gays in Iraq? What should be done about it?

  • Enrique Juavez

    Dan, the stats were carefully provided from an independent study group named the Gay/Bisexual Coalition of North America, LTD. under a secret guise.

    85% of the people who expressed negative feelings towards homosexuality are in fact homosexuals themselves (Butler University, 1997).

    So girlfriend have any urges lately?

  • Enrique Juavez

    Dan, that is a very good question. Legislation should be passed to protect these very people.

  • Char

    I have children and therefore must engage in the good fight against both intolerance and tolerance on pretty much a daily basis. If referring to me, Dan, you seem to have mistaken me for one of the SUV driving, latte-swilling whatevers cited in a previous posting. Although we do have the funds to pull it off my, husband and I shun that lifestyle and try to, by example, instill less self-serving values in our kids.

    Evil must always be addressed. Tolerance of evil is an extremely deadly grace. However, the methods employed should not match evil and must be far more above reproach than those of the current administration.

    Tolerance of others opinions, their right to express them, and the privilege of living with the consequences should be, at least in this country, a given.

  • Enrique Juavez

    Dan, very good points about gays in Iraq. I would say we need to welcome them to our country with open arms.

  • Dan in Alaska

    !!!!!!!!!

    HOLY SMOKES, YOU MEAN I’M GAY AND I DON’T KNOW IT?

    What a bunch of malarky. Without arguing such a ridiculous point about my own sexuality, I’d have to say that the point remains, you don’t get to force people approve of or like those types.

    I didn’t get in here to argue this issue, the thread is on free speech and dissent in America regarding military action against Iraq, some of us have yet to realize that it was started with a satirical rendition of a retort on the part of Maines, to the backlash she is deservedly facing for stating her political views in public.

    Can we get back to the point here?

  • Enrique Juavez

    I never said anything about your sexuality. I just said statistics show…. Why are you so defensive on the subject? At the same time you are clearly hateful.

  • Stan

    There’s a point to this thread???

  • Dan in Alaska

    I’d welcome them here, as long as they will go through immigration and assimilate into society.
    I know I know that hasn’t been happening much lately, it’s a free for all on the borders.

    I think any Iraqi gay person who hasn’t moved to a free nation where at the very least, they can be themselves without going into hiding, is suicidal. Why they would stay there is beyond me, unless they just cannot leave. In which case, we will arrange things so that they CAN leave, or stay with much less fear for their safety and well being, and their ability to function as a member of society.

    How do you think they would be recieved by other Iraqis living in the U.S.? My guess is that it would be a very chilly welcome.

    I can yank stats out of rear and cite studies all day long, most of which are at least, partially bogus. As far as studies go, it is no huge feat to show what you set out to show.
    Look at yours, it says that 85% of the 60% of those polled who had negative feelings are actually, in fact homosexuals themselves.
    I really have a hard time believing that, I’m reasonably certain that your citing a partisan study where the results were a foregone conclusion.

    The three gay people I have known well enough to speak of, think that people like yourself and the Gay/Bi coalition of NA are the real problem here, in fact they find the sort of thing humiliating, and it’s not because they are embarrassed about being Homosexual. Why doesn’t the group include Lesbians, are you excluding lesbians from your club? Do they have some sort of prejudice against lesbians? Hmmm?

  • Ronisue Smith

    Not questioning her Freedom of Speech, but I do question her sense of responsibility. Freedom of Speech DOES NOT give anyone the right to yell “Fire!” in a crowded theatre, where no fire exists. People can be hurt in the resulting scramble. Criticizing the President in such a place, and at a critical time in our history will also have a result, and in this short time the Dixie Chickens have dropped from 3rd place to 23rd place in the listings. That is her doing, and it is just. (Though perhaps a bit unfair to her partners.) It really is time for people to come to the realization that “Words have specific meanings”, and to think before they speak. Thank you!

  • s

    Char – you hit it on the head when you commented on the US percieved as the bad guys – the timing of this invasion is very suspect. What does 9/11 have to do with Iraq? The Tailban was (supposedly) behind that and you’ve bombed them all out of the water. I don’t know a person that wasn’t horrified by the senseless deaths of 9/11 and I don’t know a person that doesn’t want your troops to come home safe and sound. We’re just worried that your troops will sacrifice themselves for naught – and create more ill-will in Arab countries – which in turn may spark another 9/11 type attack. Violence is a very nasty circle – once it starts, how does it end? Ireland and Isreal are good examples of what we do not want the rest of the world to turn into.

    By the way, N.Korea and Zimbabwe (China, too) are ruled by nasty people, as well. When do you think GW will pre-emt on them? N.Korea HAS weapons of mass destruction and Zimbabwe has nothing – is that the difference between them and Iraq? Please enlighten me!
    (ps: the point is that there are many countries in the world where you can not speak your mind as easily as you can on this post; Iraq is not unique in this respect)

  • Dan in Alaska

    Well….Ronisue is abosolutely correct. I was avoiding the crowded theatre analogy. I wonder how her cohorts actually do feel about the damage done to their careers as a result of Maines comments. I wonder if they are all similar in their political views or if they are cursing her for shooting off at the mouth.

    I still say that about 95% of the anti-war folk are really anti-Bush people in costume. They wouldn’t be there if their candidate had WON the SELECTION from the courts in Florida then started a war with Iraq.

    This whole mess could have been avoided if Gore would have dropped the matter like a man when the first recount or two didn’t come out in his favor. The more recounts they had, the worse the spread got for Gore. Then he decides to file suit….what a sorry bastard he turned out to be.

    Despite my lack of support for the candidacy of G.W., I’m sure relieved to have avoided the alternative.

  • Enrique Juavez

    What do you mean about the studies? They were done under a secret guise! The numbers do not lie.

    If you knew anything about the gay community you would know Lesbians are included in our group and therefore are represented.

    We are not going anywhere Dan. If you cannot hear our voices we will make you hear them by legislations to protect our rights. Get over it!

  • chris

    I have read all of your emails, and most of you have some great comments! But the fact remains that we are at war, like it of not! We all need to pull together in this great country of ours and not be so devided. The country chic’s comments do not matter nor do we have to agree about Bush either. He is here to stay, for now. What we all should be mostly concerned about is the families who have loved ones over there and for their safe return home.

    Do remember, the war will end, and so will Bush!

    Proud to be a american!

  • Dan in Alaska

    ~S~

    The Iraqi gov. sent agents of the Baath party to train people in asymetrical warfare in Afghanistan. This notion that Saddam and Osama are seething with hatred for each other. The Baath party is supposedly very secular, I don’t know if I by that. I KNOW that I don’t buy it when they say that the two men are enemies. Politics makes for strange bedfellows.

    Personally I don’t need a connection between them to justify the Iraq conflict, it has been brewing on the side since Bush 41 left Saddam in power. That policy, the policy of containment and appeasment does not work. A policy of pre-emption, is necessary, and it does work.

    Zimbabwe, Iran, and N. Korea probably will be pre-empted, and should be with the possible exception of the Koreans. None of those issues can be made to compare to the Iraq issue. So far, N. Korea hasn’t used any nuke/chem/bio warfare on civillian targets to illustrate one simple difference. The scene in Zimbabwe is horrifying yes, but where are the precious UN-united nations on either of those two problems. Are we supposed to wait for Nuke inspectors in N. Korea now? What would you do if you were president?

    This argument that you make is nothing but a regurgitation of what your hearing from the Daschle democrats.

  • Dan in Alaska

    I never thought you were going away, never asked you to go away, and never wanted you to go away. You’ll get nowhere with your legislation, so legislate away ole boy!!!

    I’m not arguing this ridiculous garbage with you any more, have a nice life. I can’t hear you way up here in Alaska, why don’t you throw a parade or something.

  • Stan

    I sincerely hope the U.S. does not pursue a policy of pre-emption in Zimbabwe, Iran, or North Korea… The Koreans would certainly launch a nuke if we attacked them, no question about it. Iran can, at the moment, be contained diplomatically. Zimbabwe would be pointless. If we start attacking nations for any reason other than the fact that they constitute a real and present danger than we as a nation will have gone completely off the deep end.

    The whole idea of a pre-emptive strike is going to come back to haunt us…

  • verax

    Skeej wrote:
    “Just like they missed the point about Clinton – it wasn’t about the sex, it was about lying, and his abuse of his power and responsibility as the the chief law enforcer.”

    (I assume you realize that the original reference to Clinton came in the form of SATIRE.)

    I hope you understand that with Bush it also “about lying and his abuse of his power and responsibility as the chief law enforcer.” Bush consistently uses his position of power to put forth the illusion that his priority is to be responsible for the safety and well-being of Americans. He repeatedly spews propaganda that makes it look as if he is really concerned about the well-being of Americans, but then often fails to act upon his own promises. Time and again, he says one thing and does another. Need examples?:

    1. First Responders–Bush talked about the importance of first-responder funding (3-02) and then tried to CUT more than $1 Billion out of existing grants to local police/fire to fund this and then REJECTED (8-02) $150 million for grants to state and local first responders.

    2. Port Security–Bush talked about the need to fund port security (6-02) and then VETOED (8-02) all $39 million for the Container Security Initiative (an initiative he specifically touted) and provided $0 for port security grants in his proposed 2003 & 2004 budgets.

    3. Border Security–Bush talked about the importance of border security (9-02) and promised more INS/Border Patrol staff and facilities, but his budget provided no additional money for this. Bush VETOED $6.25 million for promised pay upgrades for border patrol agents. His 2004 budget slashes total “Border and Transportation Security” by $284 million.

    4. Fiscal Responsibility–Bush stressed budget discipline and fiscal restraint (9-02) and then proposed a budget that would put the government more than $300 billion into deficit (and it doesn’t include any money for the war with Iraq, estimated cost= $200 billion).

    5. VETERANS–Bush talked about how we owe the veterans our respect and everlasting gratitude (Veteran’s Day 2002), but then cut off access to its health care system for approximately 164,000 veterans. Veterans groups say that Bush’s 2003 budget “falls $1.5 Billion short” of adequately funding veterans care. (How’s that for “Supporting our Troops”???? I guess Bush means you should offer support to them when they are out in the field dying for you, but withdraw your support when they are here at home dying.)

    6. No Child Left Behind–Bush promised in his campaign that he would make education a priority and “Leave No Child Behind” and he passed the No Child Left Behind Act (NCLB). Then, in the first budget after he signed the NCLB Act, he proposed to cut NCLB programs by $90 million, leaving these programs more than $7 billion short of what was authorized under the bill. His 2004 budget proposes to cut $307 million in vocational & technical education grants and to freeze funding for pell grants for low income students.

    source: http://www.house.gov/appropriations_democrats/caughtonfilm.htm

    Bush has used this “bait & switch” technique with many other issues as well (such as the environment, care for the elderly, aiding the disadvantaged, retirement security, job training/creation, health care for children, corporate reform…).

    The fact that Bush seems to have no qualms about being blatantly deceitful to the American people on a regular basis is extremely disturbing and should serve as an alarm to all Americans. Americans should not blindly follow the dissemination of misinformation put forth by the Bush administration. It is our duty as Americans to pay close attention and constantly question the veracity of the propaganda being paraded before us. It is our patriotic responsibility to be aware of and oppose the misguided policies of our government.

  • Stan

    Verax wrote:

    “The fact that Bush seems to have no qualms about being blatantly deceitful to the American people on a regular basis is extremely disturbing and should serve as an alarm to all Americans.”

    You’ve just described every single person ever elected to public office, regardless of political affiliation!

  • Dan in Alaska

    I’m afraid you may be correct about pre-emptive strikes outside of the context of Iraq.
    The question is have we started down a road we can’t turn back from? We have pissed people off all over the place, don’t expect much in the way of support for the U.S. in ANY Arab nation after this. Expect to be attacked by them as a matter of fact. So that being said, what do we do, crouch defensively and hope? I’m open, what do you think Bush should do once he mops up in Iraq?

    The point is that we are already there, and we better stick together and get through this crap Bush is putting us through. None of us really know what’s going on out there in the world. CNN is not going to give us the straight skinny, neither is MSNBC, or FOX, or any other alphabet or cable network. The white house is privy to the freshest, hottest, and most credible intelligence in the world as a matter of course, right along side breakfast each morning.
    Our internal divisions are seen as weakness by those who would kill us, and it is very encouraging to them. You can’t blame Arab/Muslim hatred for the west on Bush, it’s been there for many many years.

    How long do you think it will take N.Korea to nuke the west coast without any intervention from the U.S.? I think the diplomacy will take center stage on the N. Korea issue, perhaps it will even work. Zimbabwe…? What a mess…it’s proof positive of the corruption in the U.N.

  • Enrique Juavez

    Why would we “pre-empt” against Zimbabwe? Why are you even debating this? Almost all of the African nations are ruled by oppressive dictators (outside of the country of South Africa). We cannot possibly pursue every single evil country on this planet. True, Robert Mugabe is an evil b*stard. He poses no threat to anyone outside of Zimbabwe though.

    Iran, maybe we would go after. I doubt it though. They would have to have some damning evidence against them that they intended on striking us first. North Korea, we are smart enough to not make the first move there. A lot of people would die on both sides. If anything happens I would expect it to come from their end first.

    And Dan… We are going to bring a parade into your town! Where do you live?

  • Dan in Alaska

    I live in Wasilla Alaska, c’mon up!!! Take your best crack at it!!!

    See if I give a darn either way.

    Be carefull what town you go to though, there are some hick types out here, and they aren’t nice guys at all. You need to stay in Anchorage to do that sort of thing, please take my word for it.

    You’d probably actually find a good amount of support for your cause in Anchorage, the city has a significant gay community who live well here in our fine state. The problem with your type is that simply carving out a slice of the American pie for yourselves is not enough, your a radical, and a militant, and you’ll always be on the fringe of society for that reason alone.

  • Enrique Vuarez

    LOL. Now I am a radical and a militant?

    Thanks for the info on the gay community in Alaska. I always figured ya’all had nothing better to do than sit around in yer igloos and bump rumps.

    I’ll see you at the parade. I expect you to be there! Later.

  • berrybear

    Amen, verax…..I hope you are spreading that knowledge daily. I’m trying here my hometown and most people are responding well and listening attentively. For all of the Bush supporters do ya’ll not realize that the fact that he took our miltary to war without UN support and with so little support from countries around the world has destroyed diplomatic relations for years to come. Its very sad to see little George doing what Daddy did to. Big George destroyed our diplomicy with many countries and it was left for the next guy to clean up. Bill Clinton fixed what was broken and our economy was in a surplus when he left office. Now, all that money is gone. It was squandered away within the first year of Dubya’s term. Now he’s putting us more in debt. Who’s benifiting from it? I can guarentee not anyone who doesn’t fill the top 5% of the tax bracket.

  • Char

    Thanks, verax, for something with teeth.

    In regard to “bait and switch”, here’s the hoot of the day on the spin front. The administration says that the media has “misrepresented” the timeframe for the war by reporting it would be short. Like the media made it up! I remember the sheer incredulity I felt when “a quick resolution with minimal loss” was being spoon-fed to us by GW him self. Now they are saying they never said it wouldn’t be long and costly.

  • Dan in Alaska

    Verax, someone finally decided to present a case against Bush, instead of the typical BS, much appreciated.
    (I hope you dug this up on your own instead of pasting it in from some spun-out website.)

    Enrique–Be there with bells on!!!! :)

    Berrybear–I can’t stand the U.N. or most of it’s members, as far as I’m concerned, kick em right out of NYC, and right out of the U.S. and quit sending them money, see how long they can float it without us. I guarantee you within 2 years it will be in worse shambles then it already is…if it takes that long. Bunch of tin-horns anyway, I mean cmon, your gonna try and make a case for the U.N. with Libya running the human rights commission and…well what was Iraq would have been heading up disarmarment!!! No wonder the worlds in the shape it’s in.

    You can’t blame the U.S. for crushing Saddam, it’s been a long time coming. As far as the International community goes, there isn’t one. There is nothing even remotely resembling any kind of community, they’re waaaaaaaay more crooked than the Bush/Cheney crowd w/their business deals. At least they work with commodities like oil, instead of slaves and human sex toys.

    They all roll about in Limousines banging street girls and doing dope in NYC, or plenty worse then that if you dig I’m sure. Then they deride the U.S. for consuming energy.

    Diplomatic immunity, let’s settle our budget by taking them to task on parking violations. I have no respect for the United Nations, they’re everything but.

  • Dan in Alaska

    Enrique, you should take your parade to texas where they seem to believe they can legislate sexual practices, about as useful and effective as legislating morals and opinion on the matter.

    Supreme Court hears sodomy case:

    http://www.msnbc.com/news/891114_asp.htm?0cv=CB20

    These guys were arrested for “bumping rumps” as you so elegantly stated it.

  • Annette reading Superman in Tim Hortons’

    Remember reading Superman when you were a kid? And how we all wondered why he couldn’t just go in and make the bad guys behave so there would be no more wars?
    Well, he said it was not his place to use his superior strength to force good on man. Change has to come from within. He felt that once you start playing God, or Superman gone megalomaniacal, it is hard to draw the line and just stop. You can always justify one more fight, one more military “adjustment.”

    Think of the United States as Superman. Sooner or later, even your friends are going to be desperately needing some Kryptonite.

  • Caitlin from Texas

    I live in Texas, and I thought i was the only liberal thinker in this hypocritical state. I couldn’t agree with her more! I always found it quite annoying that everyone is quick to crack jokes about Clinton, but disagreeing with President Bush is considered a sin. I understand that perhaps Clinton made some personal decisions that were not right, but his presidency was not shameful; at least he didn’t send us to war. And for all the people who think that the Dixie Chicks are “unpatriotic” and “not proud of their country”, how American and patriotic is it to deny an American’s right of free speech? Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but I am so glad that someone with high status in our society decided to speek out…just wait, no good will come of this war.

  • Dan in Alaska

    Well, I don’t agree with Maines and yourself on the main point, because I’m not from Texas. Also I do make a distinction between sitting presidents, and ex-presidents, or war-time presidents, and peace-time presidents. Each is a seperate and important point.

    I do see a certain hypocrisy to bashing Clinton all day long and not Bush nonetheless. I think they are both crooked. I have more respect for Bush generally, but I tend to avoid trashing Clinton if I can possibly help it. I’ve even avoided trashing Clinton here, it isn’t all that relevent and neither is he. I felt ashamed of his presidency as an American.

    I really don’t see how the woman was denied her right to free speach. Trashing someone for what they said in public is American as apple pie, just watch Congress. It says something about you that you hold a “Dixie Chick” in such high regard…

    ~”someone with high status in our society decided to speek”~ (your sp*)

    “We are all anti-war — and American troops in Afghanistan and the Persian Gulf represent the kind of protest that terrorists can understand.”

    –George Will

  • Audrey

    The entire war situation is a catch 22. We are damned by others if we go to war and damned by others if we didn’t go to war. Some people don’t understand that the USA is a HUGE melting pot of other cultures and countries. The USA contains English, French, German, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, etc. What makes people from those other countries better than the people here?

    In addition to the Maines situation, all I have to say is that freedom of speech is exactly that, free. However, the concern should be the soldiers who are dying to maintain the freedoms that so many people take for granted. I honestly believe that the soldiers need our support more than anything, whether the cause is justified or not.

  • Audrey

    I just received this in an email.

    A California mother whose son is right now in Kuwait wrote her son
    asking how he would feel if she joined other relatives of service
    members in an anti-war demonstration in Hollywood last month. After
    reading her son’s response, she elected not to participate.

    Dear Mom, It’s really your decision to march if you want to or not.
    You are the one who has to decide if what we are doing out here is
    right or not. My opinion is not yours. I do, however, have things I
    would like for you and Grandma and everyone else at home to know. I
    am a United States soldier. I was sworn to defend my country against
    all enemies, foreign and domestic. People may not agree with the
    things we are ordered to do. I would like to address those people by
    telling them that terrorism is not only a threat to us as Americans,
    but to many other innocent people in the world. What type of country
    would we be if we didn’t defend the rights and freedoms of others,
    not because they’re Americans, but how about just because they’re
    human? We live in a country where people feel secure with their
    daily lives. They do business like usual and don’t worry about the
    thought of terrorism actually happening to them. The people of 9-11
    thought the same thing. We now know that it can happen to anyone at
    any time. Yet as Americans we’re afraid of losing our soldiers to
    defend our security. I can only speak for myself when I say that my
    life is an easy expense to ensure that my family and friends can
    live in peace. I strongly believe in what we are doing and wish you
    were here to see for yourselves the honor and privilege that
    American soldiers aboard this ship are feeling, knowing that we are
    going to be a part of something so strong and so meaningful to the
    safety of our loved ones. Then you would know what this potential
    war is about. We will stand tall in front of terrorism and defeat
    it. We as soldiers are not afraid of what may happen. We are only
    afraid of Americans not being able to understand why we are here. I
    ask for your courage as Americans to be strong for us; I ask for
    your understanding in what we believe is right. I ask for your
    support in what we are sworn to do: defend our country and the life
    of all. We will succeed in our task and will end the threat of
    terrorism in our back yard. We will also end the threat of terrorism
    in our neighbors’. We have to remind ourselves of what this country
    stands for: life, liberty and justice for all. In order to maintain
    those rights we have to stop the threat of terrorism. I am proud to
    be here. I will be coming home, but not until I know that it’s going
    to be safe for all Americans and for everyone I love. My family is
    first. My country is where they live. I will defend it.
    Lonnie J. Lewis Navy corpsman
    C Co. 1/4 WPN PLT
    UIC 39726
    FPO AP 966139726

    I couldn’t have said it better myself.

  • Dan in Alaska

    Well damn…I can’t follow that.

  • Z

    FREEDOM OF SPEECH does not come without a price! The # 1 priority of America should be to SUPPORT OUR TROOPS. Who provide us the right to FREE SPEECH! The president is replaceable. There will be another and another….. Our right to say what we think, and do what we feel is an honor given to us by soldiers. And not all people have this right. Those who don’t wish they did. So lets not try to take it away so quickly. You never know how it could end up.

  • Z

    FREEDOM OF SPEECH does not come without a price! The # 1 priority of America should be to SUPPORT OUR TROOPS. Who provide us the right to FREE SPEECH! The president is replaceable. There will be another and another….. Our right to say what we think, and do what we feel is an honor given to us by soldiers. And not all people have this right. Those who don’t wish they did. So lets not try to take it away so quickly. You never know how it could end up.

  • no love for the chicks

    Dan, how did we get on the subject of sodomy and parades while we are talking about Natalie Maines??? Is this a favorite subject of yours?

    I think the state of Texas is now ashamed of Natalie for her moronic comments. Shame on her.

  • Stan

    Dan wrote:
    “I’m afraid you may be correct about pre-emptive strikes outside of the context of Iraq.
    The question is have we started down a road we can’t turn back from? We have pissed people off all over the place, don’t expect much in the way of support for the U.S. in ANY Arab nation after this. Expect to be attacked by them as a matter of fact. So that being said, what do we do, crouch defensively and hope? I’m open, what do you think Bush should do once he mops up in Iraq?”

    I packed away my crystal ball years ago. Your guess is as good as mine in regards to what the next steps should be. It largely depends on how other nations and organizations posture themselves.

    My biggest problem with the policy of pre-emption is that, if successful, other countries may attempt to use it. India and Pakistan notably would likely utilize any justification to attack the other. Of course one could argue that based on the global outcry over our attack of Iraq it is obvious that the doctrine of pre-emptive strikes is not acceptable to the most nations. The U.S.A. is really the only nation powerful enough to completely ignore world opinion; any other nation attempting pre-emption could not be able to stand up to the world pressure that would likely be exerted upon them (exceptions: UK and Israel for obvious reasons). But all it takes is one nation that believes in the doctrine of pre-emptive strikes and is willing to carry it out (North Korea comes to mind). How do we as a nation argue against their actions? Do as I say not as I do?

  • Andy

    Enrique, I am not harboring any same-sex tendancies. Nor am I a homophobe. If you actually read my first post instead of finding words that stand out, you would have understood that I was using that as an illustration. I guess it was a pretty shitty one. I was trying to show that if someone does something to you or says something to you, your first reaction is one of malace. I wasn’t downin gays. And my sexual preference also has nothing to do with this. Maybe you want me to be gay?

    Stan, thanks for setting me straight. I guess I am the dumbass for not researching the source.

    Please boycott my statements. Censor a bias voice. Even if some of what is said is true. Give way to those who are oppressed. Oppress those who are standing up. Hate those who are different. Make divisions in the body. Divide us, divide us. Escape a reality known since time began. Don’t say anything that will step on toes.
    -Jimmy Knives and the Slitthroats
    St. Pete RocknRoll

    Believe what you want.

  • Susan

    Natalie Maines may want to start thinking before she speaks. Yes, she has every right to speak just as each one of us has every right to respond. By responding we are utilizing our right to speak. What goes around comes around is something I think of when it comes to Natalie Maines. First it was her record company that she was putting down because she, as a legal adult, had signed a contract that she no longer liked! Next it was Toby Keith and his music that Natalie felt she needed to exercise her freedom of speech on. Finally, it was the President that Natalie exercised her freedom of speech on. But the last was the worst because she said it to another Country not ever expecting the citizens of the United States to ever learn about. We did! The same people who made and pay for her career have utilized their right to speak, vote, buy or not buy CD’s and tickets.

  • Enrique Juavez

    Andy – Your comments are hateful and I am considering legal action. Expect to hear from the Gay/Bisexual Coalition of North America. You should be ashamed of your comments.

    You better be like Dan and back off. He was wise enough to know the threat posed by the GBCNA. So make like a tree and split!

  • AB

    “War is God’s way of teaching Americans geography.”

    -Ambrose Bierce

  • no love for the chicks

    I really think ya’ll are gettin off the subject.

    Enrique, calm down!

    Andy, I would back off with the strong language.

    I still do not understand what ya’ll are talkin about has to do with the Dixie Hogs.

  • no fan of stan

    Stan since when are you this big political expert on foreign policy? I’ve seen you in other blogs before. You tend to steal the ideas of others and pretend as if they are your own. You act as if you are this revolutionary thinking individual who thinks of things that no one else thinks of.

    And what’s with all the gay rights discussion in here? I agree with no love, what in the hell does that stuff have to do with the Dixie chix?

  • Andy

    You’re gay

  • tomato

    These comments are unbelievable. I have a right to verbally attack the president on personal and political issues. I’m entitled to have and express my opinions. He’s a public figure and must put up with whatever we want to say about him. Natalie Maines has the same right I have. But that’s not the point I want to make. I agree with what someone wrote above – aren’t we in Iraq to give the Iraqi citizens the same freedoms we enjoy? Well, actually, that’s not really why we’re there (oil, finishing W’s father’s business, our own arrogance as police of the world), but whoever brought that up made a good point. I am deeply disappointed by the attitude “either you’re with us or you’re against us”. Disagreement with the government does not indicate lack of pride in the U.S. or mean that someone is not a good American citizen. It simply means one does not agree with some of the country’s policies – not that one’s against the whole damn country. Since when did we become so judgemental and unforgiving of other people’s opinions? OK, I got myself there because I disagree with the conservatives who’ve written above. Yes, open-minded liberal here. It is a shame that we have decided to attack Iraq. Natalie made sense when she noted (in her real comments) that she, as a mother, just wants everyone to be home and safe. It is a shame that we couldn’t find another way to resolve the conflict. And, honestly, if Saddam has had weapons holed up somewhere all these years, have we ever really been truly threatened or put in danger because of it? I support the troops who are subjected to this war because most of them have no choice. Doubtless, many of them joined during peace time and find themselves now in a horrible situation – and yes, I’m sure there are also those who relish the adventure. I support the troops. I do not support Bush – who is not in the least inconvenienced by our actions in Iraq. But, don’t tell me that the troops are in Iraq to protect our freedoms – what a crock. Our freedoms are intact, written down, and have not been threatened. The troops are in Iraq as political pawns – not to support my freedoms – and yet I support them. Let’s be honest and stop throwing around the party line of “they are there for us” because they are not. It bothers me no end to hear that they’re there in my name. I haven’t given my permission. But OK, we’re at war. I’m done objecting. I’ll accept the fact of our situation and I’ll support the troops – but I don’t have to like what we’re doing. All we here about now is the poor Iraqis and how they suffer. While we spend $75 billion on this action, what is happening to millions of Americans (living here in this wonderful country with us and entitled to the same benefits) who don’t have adequate housing, health care, jobs, education, or resources to raise their children? How about the elderly who are alone and can’t afford senior care? I am fearful that not only will we care badly for our citizens – but that we will set up the Iraqis to be as badly cared for by us and the world after we have bombed the hell out of their home.

  • Tom J.

    Well said, tomato. I completely agree.

  • Stan

    Ha ha ha… my first hater.

    I’m not a “big political expert on foreign policy”, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

  • weirdo

    Andy you won a towel!

  • Andy

    Is it as straight towel?

    xxxStraight Pridexxx

  • AB

    Caitlin, I hardly think the Dixie Pigs have “high status in our society”. And Slick Willy “perhaps” made some personal decisions that weren’t right? And his presidency wasn’t “shameful”? What planet are you from?? You think that because we didn’t go to war while he was in office that he was a good president? Welcome to the world sister, wars happen and I can only thank God that Willie didn’t have a hand in this, we’d all be dead.

  • no fan of stan

    AB – does your name stand for “Another Bisexual” or is it ABBA? Either way you are a sissy.

  • Andy

    Ok ok. I am a flaming homosexual. Dan in Alaska is my lover. I hope you all feel better now. I am leaving this blog and never coming back. I am taking Dan with me. Good bye cruel bloggers. Dan and I have some floggin to do. Peace. We’re out and stuff.

  • AB

    No Fan of Stan, Grow up.

  • Dan in Alaska

    Oooops, careful Enrique, you may find yourself to be the one who faces legal action. We wouldn’t want to stomp on any ones first amendment toes here now would we.

    Enrique, I didn’t back off you sorry little excuse for a fruit, your not worth it either way and this is not the place.

    Andy, don’t let em spook ya, his issue doesn’t belong here, and he isn’t going to initiate any legal action, he’s posturing for effect. The first amendment protects you both…unless his coalition manages to trash the constitution which is the main purpose for their existence.

    ~no love~ I didn’t bring sodomy into this, Enrique did, see my comments above. I also tried to point Enrique toward the proper target for his venting, anti-sodomy laws are useless except for the persectution of ones lifestyle.

    Stan, good one. More than just a valid point, India and Pakistan, what a mess that could turn out to be. They’ve been waving their nukes around again this week too….I dunno either, but I support knocking off Iraq and setting up a nice pro-west government for lots of reasons, I don’t think Baghdad is our last stop.

    AB, I’m with you, but I’m avoiding bashing Clinton here.

    The blixie chicks can vomit up the lines they get from NPR all day long, I was a fan, now I realize my mistake, done deal.

  • AB

    Thanks Dan, The Clinton thing was laid out there though so I had to take it.
    :)

  • KIMBERLY

    All this gay talk is ridiculous Enrique. This is suppose to be about the Dixies Twits. Why don’t you round up the GBCNA and discuss your issues. They would listen, nobody hear really cares.

  • KIMBERLY

    All this gay talk is ridiculous Enrique. This is suppose to be about the Dixies Twits. Why don’t you round up the GBCNA and let them know that you are ready to come out of the closet finally.

  • soldier_girl

    I am an American soldier currently deployed in support of Iraqi Freedom. I would just like to say that all people have the right to express their opinions, and that Ms. Maines was just utilizing this right. I also believe that it is okay for people to protest war, as long as it is done without disregarding the rights of the general public (no blocking of streets, etc.). However, those of you who equate Ms. Maines to the devil and then make racist comments themselves should really take a moment and reflect on what they are truely saying. To complain that Ms. Maines has said something close to treason and then state you wish to kill all Canadians is rather loathesome. Which is worse- saying something to criticise your President, or saying “Kill all the Canadians, or French, or British,” or whoever else you feel has slighted you? Everyone just needs to relax, and realize that one comment does not justify the other. One of the reasons I feel we are here in the sand is because Hussein’s government, composed of one religous sect, is terrorizing the people they are ruling, which is composed of another religous sect. How is stating you wish to kill all people from another country any different? I realize making the statement in anger and actually doing the deed are two different things, but people should really think before they post. Also, if everyone took as much time talking with their Congressmen, Representatives, and other political figures as they did posting on this website, perhaps your views and criticisms of our government would bear more weight.

  • Amber

    |was actually at the conert where Natalie said, “I am ashamed that the president of the United States is from Texas”. What she said has been blown out of all proportion! It was a tongue-in-cheek gesture, with which she followed up by saying that although she may not like Bush, or be pro war, she still supports the troops 100%. She made that *very* clear. And the reason shesaid all this in the first place? It fitted in with the context of the song she was about to sing, which was Travellin’ Soldier. She also said that the US government had asked her to sing tis to the troops, and personally she didn’t think it was appropriate as the soldier in the song never actually came home.

    Natalie didn’t like the idea of going to war, as I’m sure many other people out there don’t, but she made it crystal clear that she was totally in support of the troops. It’s this vital fact that the media have decided to exclude, which is why the Chicks have become so unpopular.

    She said it on the spur of the moment, as she is apt to do. So what? We all make mistakes, and, as people requested, she apologised. Then when she actually did apologise, people claimed that the apology was worthless and that she wasn’t stickin to her origonal opinion. What could the poor girl do?

    And what about the audience. We’re the ones that cheered at her comment, she only said it. We could have just as easiy booed her off the stage, and although it was a British venue, there were a lot of Americans there as well.

  • Reginleif the Valkyrie

    One reason Natalie Maines may have felt safe in dissing “rednecks” who’ve bought Dixie Chicks CDs is that the Chicks not only play pop country music, but bluegrass, which I much prefer. Unfortunately, due to the audience overlap among bluegrass, “roots music,” and “folk music” in its various forms, there are a lot of left-wingers who listen to bluegrass now, and quite a few even play it. I’ve read elsewhere that Maines, having attended Berklee School of Music here in Boston, may have become insecure about her roots in the midst of so many hipper-than-thou Northeasterners, and decided it was more important to impress their UK cohorts with her “political awareness” than to please her fan base.

    My basic take on the situation is this: Maines exercised her right to free speech (I happen to disagree with her), but wasn’t brave enough to hold her ground when others challenged her, as is their Constitutional right to do. Private radio stations have the right not to play the Chicks’ CDs; individuals have the right not to buy them. This is all how a free society works, and it seems to me that in this case, it worked just fine.


    This discussion thread, on the other hand…except for maybe a dozen commenters here, Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore could not sit down and between the two of them draw up a more stereotypical cast of self-righteous conservatives and liberals.


    On the right, we have:

    • Al Barger describing Pat “Goebbels” Buchanan as “scholarly;”
    • Dan bellowing, “CANADA AND MEXICO NEXT!” and exhorting us to kick the former and “bitch-slap” the latter;
    • the semi-literate Deborah ranting, “WE ARE THE TOP COUNTRY AND DON’T YOU FORGET IT” (doesn’t there seem to be an inverse correlation between IQ and prolonged use of the caps lock?);
    • Joanne claiming that criticizing the President in a foreign country shows “lack of moral character” (of course, any celebrity abroad who slammed Clinton during his tenure in office would undoubtedly have had Joanne’s admiration);
    • Bob the Builder, whose nick makes him sound as if he became unemployed with the recent demise of Mr. Rogers, resorting to the time-tested playground retort of, “Shaddup, you big faggot!”
    • “Alaska Dan” claiming that his stomping ground “is one of the few states that isn’t completely estrogenated yet,” echoing the prevalent conservative whine that all them lily-livered wimmenfolk — literally, those pussies — have been diluting the red blood of this once-manly nation ever since we gave ‘em the right to vote. (Hey, Dan, may I suggest you Google on “Pfc. Jessica Lynch”?) Oh, and Dan also takes Bob’s squeamishness toward gays to new, uh, heights. Dan, you don’t happen to write essays under the pseudonym of Bruce Heffernan, do you?
    • Fred resorting to the equally brilliant misogynist epithets of “whore” and “c*nt” to describe Maines;
    • the erudite Tim hollering, “.UNLESS YOU’VE BENN IN A FOX HOLE AND LOOKED ACROSS THE WAY AT THE ENEMY..THEN SHUTUP” [sic], obviously never having been informed that the American military was deliberately created to be under civilian control;
    • various people insulting the Chicks for being “fat” and “ugly,” two of the favored insults of those who think Britney Spears and Calista Flockhart are the ne plus ultra of feminine beauty;
    • various people claiming it’s treason to criticize a president during wartime (the handful of people who actually stayed awake in ninth-grade civics class have already pointed out that not only is this untrue, but its untruth is one major thing that distinguishes us from whom we’re fighting);
    • various people (significant overlap with the previous item) claiming that the Chicks and all those who agree with them should move to Iraq (remember when it was Russia?);
    • and a general oblivion to the fact that if only speech that offends nobody is protected, what’s the use of protecting speech at all?

    On the left, we’ve got:

    • the not only illiterate, but incoherent m.o.m. taking this fine opportunity to 12-step the bunch of us;
    • Tek repeating “Bush is a Twat” like a mantra, demonstrating how the wisdom of the ancients can be readily and creatively applied to modern political discourse;
    • Daisy reminding us, as if we hadn’t already heard it 10,000 times, about how “it’s all about the oooiiiiiiillllllll!!!!“;
    • BritBoy’s thinly veiled antisemitism (yeah, ButtBoy, we know how you EUnuchs feel about that “shitty little country”);
    • Sue’s hand-wringing about “hate” and adults calling each other nasty names, as if we didn’t have worse things to worry about (by the way, Sue, uncivil discourse is a hallmark of an open society);
    • Annette claiming that the United Nations actually “works” (tell that to the folks in Kosovo and Rwanda, Annette);
    • Tony the Sensitive Type telling Dan (not the Dan from Alaska) to “vent your anger in therapy;”
    • LadyB, who teaches school but can’t write as well as I and my classmates in my sixth-grade English class did, feeling the need to inform us how refined she is by stating, “I, really don’t listen to country music” [sic], proving it’s true what they say about education majors being dumber than students of any other major];
    • Speaking Back, a/k/a Meg, using “pick up truck” and “rifle” as insults (telling, isn’t it?);
    • Enrique Juavez getting all flaming on Alaska Dan’s ass (uh, figuratively, that is). The homophobe-baiting got old after the first couple of posts, Rico Suave; don’t you have a Bette Midler CD to go listen to or something?

    • and a whole boatload of people dragging out the fair-haired children of left-wing rhetoric, “Bush is an idiot” (he actually got higher grades in college than Al Gore did), and especially “Bush is an illegitimate president.” They did the recount, people. He got enough votes. Not to mention for the 88th time that this is indeed a republic, not a democracy, and the popular vote doesn’t mean dick. Move on. The rest of us did, a long time ago. Like 19 months ago.

    Last, but not least, I’d like to send a shout-out to Kate, who writes that it was “irresponsible” to post satire without a warning that it was, indeed, satire. Kate, I don’t mean to be rude, but….godDAMN, girl, did you eat a bowl of Fucktard FlakesTM for breakfast!? Look at the freakin’ URL, not to mention the misspelling “Chiks” on the page!

    Maybe Eric should have set up a MIDI of an air-raid siren at 140 decibels to go off when the link is clicked on. Actually, maybe that should be an Internet standard, considering how many people are so deaf to non-literal uses of language that even a [/sarcasm] tag doesn’t tip them off. (Admittedly, I myself was fooled by “Sane View”‘s parodic post, but coming on the heels of comments from the likes of non-Alaska Dan, it seemed all too credible.)

  • dubya

    can I say fuck on this website? Freedom on fucking speech yeehaww!! motherfucker!!

  • Robert

    “By the way, BritBoy, you need a lesson in sentence structure and word usage. For having come from a country who gave birth to the English language, you are an extremely pour example of one who has a command of it.”
    Posted by: mark on March 23, 2003 02:07 AM

    For someone debating grammatical structure, you should have spell checked your blathering before posting it. “pour” cracks me up.

  • Robert

    Did I mention that I’ve fallen feet over head for Reginleif the Valkyrie.

  • po-dunk

    I stand on the opposite side of the fence where the Chix are concerned. I believe the president has more knowledge about Saddam and Iraq than we or the media need to know. I honestly think he based his decision of war on what he thinks is best for ALL Americans (opinions and all), and it can’t be argued that he doesn’t have the right to do so, because that is what we voted him in for(decision making).I heard Nat’s appology on TV last night, and I believe it’s genuine. She’s anti war, but she said she was ashamed out of haste not hate, she was angry because in her eyes the presedent was uncompassionate to protesters, on the same hand the comments of Bush’s that she was refering to, I believe were said in haste as well, when he was asked about people protesting his decision to do what he feels and what we elected him to do what is in their own best interest(and they’re protesting!) I can see how it would be very stressful for him, However the point still stands, Good American men and woman have died for Nat’s right to have and speak her opinion (reguardless of whether or not it coinsides with their own. SO, if people died so that she could say what she thinks,Than I think it’s nothing short of patriotic that she do so. I however don’t share her views, just her freedom of speech.

  • another guy

    Hey, I heard that the Dixie Chix not only support Saddam in commentary, but ACTUALLY have secretly sheltered him in the Alamo in San Antonio. They sneak him Taco Bell by cover of night…

  • po-dunk

    george:

    Your stupidity astounds me.
    I can’t believe that after all that has happend you still think this is about oil and money. Shurley you saw how many of ours they killed on 9/11. You must know that with the wepons that Sadam had, 9/11 could have destroyed our entire country,and would have after the fact based on there threts and what damage they had already done, had we delayed our response any further.The purpose of those people was nothing other than to kill Americans. No soldier went over seas and risked his/her life UNWILLINGLY to make sure that what happend on 9/11 never happens again. When someone lets a person hurt them once they WILL do it twice.

  • http://html johnny brain

    the cocksucker[bush]is NOT from texas.