With Bones and The Finder on FOX's schedule, Hanson could find himself yelled at on Twitter by two fanbases.
Hart Hanson has a lot of reasons to be grateful for Bones fans. They helped turn the show he created into an indisputable, if unassuming, hit: it was FOX’s number one scripted series for the 2010/11 season, and its spinoff, The Finder has been picked up for next season. But there's also a downside to success, especially on social media sites where some of the most passionate fans can be less than sociable.…
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26 - Teresa
osteon, I didn’t take offense in Danis words, I could take offense by the assumption that, just because I disagree with his tone, math and reasoning, you two immediately thought I has to be some kind of crazy person who is “one of them”, because she disagrees about HH decision to not to interact with fans anymore.
That said, if you answer a message writing “To Teresa”, as both of you have done, I figured I was authorized to think you are talking directly to me, and be polite and answer.
So no, I do not “take offense if in my heart” for that, don’t worry, and I don’t think I never “take it out on him” anything, if you just would be so gentle to read what I have read.
But, you know, I can see you proved your point in some way, interact in Internet is very difficult, even when you are not yelling, and our conversation here is a perfect example, but I stick to my opinion: it’s really a shame it has to be like that.
27 - jane
the ratings for reruns on friday night/should be a reasons for nathan and hanson to see that trying to insult a few will cost them a s7 of bones.twitter for hanson and the original insulting article for nathan.
28 - Osteon
Teresa, I never once though that you're one of the crazies. Yes, I was gentle in taking in what you posted, but I formed my conclusion that you take offense in some of Hart's tweets regarding the crazy fans from what I have read on your tweets (and that of some of your friends') on your reactions to Hart's negative reactions to the crazy fans, as though you were one of those he's referring to. Res ipsa loquitur.
29 - Osteon
Jane, key words: RERUNS, FRIDAY NIGHT (let's also throw in SUMMER)
Compare Bones' reruns ratings with Bones' original broadcast ratings during the regular season (particularly during the sweeps) which is what matters to the network and advertisers. Compare Bones' reruns ratings with that of Fringe's during Fridays of the regular season. Dr. Brennan will dismiss your earlier post as illogical and unfounded.
30 - Teresa
Well osteon, glad you read my tweets, but I don't think my opinion there differs from what I said here. I'm not offended, I'm sad, which is different.
I don't like generalization, and I think sometime Mr Hanson have extended to all a problem that concerned a few. As Jenny said in a simple way I really liked it “I find it a little sad that he only highlights the negative experience”, that’s it.
It’s his choice obviously, I respect that, but I think I have the right to disagree without being labelled.
Res ipsa loquitur. (I’m Italian baby, Latin is MY language! LOL)
31 - BamaBelle
Wow, 'Me'--I hardly think his comments warrant banishment from the realm of twitter. It appears that the sensitive ones are those who are offended by truthful comments. Are we forgetting that Hart Hanson created the show? Television is not a Choose Your Own Adventure book. You can’t just tell a writer what to do with a character he created and expect him to say, “Wow, I never thought of that.” I mean come on people! A person living in a distorted reality who hides behind twitter to scream at a writer for ruining his vicarious experience with a fictional character? That's okay with you? Wow. Just wow. If anyone should leave twitter, it’s these folks.
32 - Me
BamaBelle, I never said his comments warrant banishment from twitter. Please read my comment again. I just think he can't handle the people on twitter. I've followed Hart and I've read his interviews and he can't take criticism at all. Not just from the fans but I mean from bloggers and interviewers too. Nor did I say I agree with the fans who are nasty with him. What I was basically was saying was "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen." If you are a celeb on twitter, then you have to have tough skin which he doesn't have. Like I said he and Stephen get really defensive towards anyone who disagrees with them or don't see things their way even if it's someone who is friendly so they definitely can't take the rude fans on Twitter.
33 - Diane Kristine
He does talk about how twitter became useful and interesting for him, when it stopped being about demands for his attention. It's a little odd that someone would think they have a right to decide whether he should be on Twitter or not. Follow him or don't.
It's also odd to talk about summer rerun ratings when Bones was Fox's #1 scripted series last season. It's done better since his decision, not worse - but to think there's a correlation is part of the inability to do the math of what percentage of viewers his 38,000 twitter followers represent.
34 - jane
the reruns are losing and go look at hansons twitter page full of vulgarties/then look at the insult of nathan article every bed scene is porn/then tell me I DON'T KNOW WHAT i talk about.
35 - Diane Kristine
Jane, sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about. Summer Friday night rerun ratings don't matter in the slightest. And you obviously don't share their sense of humour, and it comes across like you don't even get that it is humour.
36 - BamaBelle
Me-I see what you’re saying, but I think the issue is that HH probably doesn't consider himself a celebrity. He probably just wants to write and create, and from the article it appears that he could care less about fame and the spotlight. Social media is changing the way people interact, but manners and common sense should not change. This whole game of “tweet back and give the fans the attention they demand” borders on obsessive.
Famous people who wanted to become famous just for the sake of being famous tend to light up twitter with constant narcissistic tweets about how wonderful and perfect their personal lives are. When you've got hyper-narcissists like LeAnn Rimes tweeting to fans, thriving off the attention she receives from them, I think it puts a certain expectation of the same level of social media interaction on other celebrities, especially those who didn’t really ask for the spotlight.
If HH didn't set out to become a celebrity, why should he be expected to have thick skin and endure rude comments about his intellectual property? It’s fiction, y’all. That's what's so crazy about it. People like LeAnn Rimes willingly put themselves (that is, their personal lives and their bodies-not their craft) out there. When you post pictures of yourself and constantly talk about yourself and all your drama, you deserve whatever criticism comes your way. But criticizing a television series, an original work of fiction that can be interpreted hundreds of ways, is certainly not the same thing as criticizing a celebrity’s bony legs or baby daddy drama. Do you see what I’m saying? It’s not the same thing.
Those who have been offended by his comments about ASMU’s should come back to reality and see just how whacked out it is to expect a series creator to spend his days writing tweets to defend or explain his craft. It’s just unnecessary. Love the show or find another one.
37 - samuels
diane they are insulting to fans and tells every fan and that includes you that they don't give a damn what you think/then hanson thinks fans will watch the finder.
38 - Denis McGrath
The crazy keeps pitching the crazy and insisting it's the guy they're being crazy to that's the problem. The internet needs a doorman.
39 - Diane Kristine
Samuels, he's insulting the crazy fans - whether you choose to put yourself in that category is up to you - and is saying that each individual fan doesn't represent fans as a whole. It's the few hundred crazies who can't understand that. The ratings speak for themselves - and they're saying more people are watching, not fewer. If you and Jane have abandoned the show because you're so insulted by Hart Hanson, I don't understand why you'd spend time reading and commenting on articles about him.
40 - Me
Bamabelle, criticizing a TV show isn't the same as criticizing a celebrity. I know that but if you are in Hollywood in any way, you should expect it. It happens with directors, editors, musicians, etc too. If one person or a few people whether they be fans or interviewers have a issue with something on your show, maybe you should think about it and not just dismiss them or be so defensive. If you can't take it, maybe you should stay away from the internet which is what a lot of celebrities do. It sounds to me like you think people have no right to critique the show. If no one criticized anyone the Emmys, the Oscars and the Grammy's would not exist. Jane Eyre and Twilight would be held in the same regard. Just because he created the show doesn't mean we have to agree with everything he says about it and it definitely doesn't mean that we shouldn't critique it.
41 - Diane Kristine
Me - he has chosen a middle ground between staying away from the Internet completely and spending his time fielding the demands of a small group of vocal fans, and seems pretty content with the experience now. It seems to me it's his choice to make, not yours. Why do you care if he's on Twitter? Should he clear how he spends his personal time with fans?
42 - john
crazies, tells you that if you don't enjoy the reruns becaused you are insulted,you don't buy the dvds/talk to the guy at tnt /and ask him why he has cut back on showing the reruns.
43 - Denis McGrath
Hey Me, you're probably right. You've convinced me now. If Hart Hanson is on twitter what he should probably do is spend every waking moment of his day responding to every frothing wingnut fan who wants a little attention. And since it's the fans' show, and being a fan entitles you to power and a special place in heaven, he should also follow whatever directives the fans lay out for him. And if the points are put across with vitriol, unhinged anger & unpleasantness he should probably listen to them more, because as we all know, the more crazy you sound and the more emphatic you are the more wisdom you have, which is why all of society's social compacts are structured around this principle.
Furthermore, Hart Hanson should be glad that people care enough about his show to hate everything he does. He should ignore the rising ratings and get down on his hands and knees in whatever moments he has left in his day after responding individually to every fan who wants his attention and beg for their forgiveness for being something other than completely joyous at their every stray thought or utterance.
Have we covered it all, then?
Oh wait. I have another thought.
He could just do what he's done, save himself a headache, and keep delivering the show that the 98% of the non-crazy, non-twittering fans have made FOX's number one scripted drama.
Oh, except the choice between those two courses of action should be decided by vote among his Twitter following. And if they don't like the outcome, instead of Unfollowing, they should bitch and moan some more.
There. Wow. That's pretty exhausting. But at least it's a fantastic solution!
44 - BamaBelle
Me, I certainly think we all have a right to critique, as art should be critiqued. I also agree that we do not have to agree with everything HH says simply because he created the show. We are all entitled to our opinions, and I respect yours.
But there’s a big difference in critiquing and criticizing. Art that you may not agree with can still be appreciated if you are able to critique it without criticizing it.
Those who criticize are only capable of seeing things from one point of view, so when you give them something, they probably won’t be able to appreciate it if it’s not the ‘correct’ point of view.
These fans HH described believe that there's only one right way to do something. They don't seem to understand that their opinion is not the only one in the universe. Plus, many of them are emotionally invested in the relationships on the show, which is another big fat chunk of crazy for HH to digest as he is bombarded with twitter rants. Dealing with people like that is an exhausting, never-gonna-win situation. Why add stress to your life?
45 - Lisa
"gordon", are you sure you don't have a "shift" key or any puctuation available to you on your keyboard?
46 - Diane Kristine
Lisa, looking for the shift key would detract from his/her ability to think of alternate names to post under.
47 - lally
People we, Bones fan, are 10 MILLIONS. If half of them protest it will be 5 MILLIONS.
Do your math and do not protest. We love BONES!!
48 - BamaBelle
Um, lally, that never happen. Why would that many fans protest when statistically probably around 2% of the fans are batshit crazy? If you can get 5 million out of 2% of 10 million, maybe you need to start managing my portfolio.
If anything, Bones will gain fans in season 7. To fans with sense, Hart's comments were perfectly fine. If the offended fans decide to leave, I don't think it will hurt Bones in the slightest.
49 - BamaBelle
If seeing nothing wrong with HH's comments makes me batshit crazy, then sure, I suppose I am. As Denis McGrath posted, "The crazy keeps pitching the crazy and insisting it's the guy they're being crazy to that's the problem. The internet needs a doorman."
A doorman is an excellent idea, but I tend to think the internet needs an admissions test. If you fail, you should be sent a letter of rejection in the form of an internet filter that prevents you from commenting.
I'd love to stick around to read more badly puncuated posts from john/gordon/samuels, but it's time to take my batshit crazy pills.
50 - Diane Kristine
john/gordon/samuels/etc, it's not BamaBelle making a fool of herself. It's also against Blogcritcs policy to post under multiple names and to make personal attacks.
51 - john
that my name john/bamabelle is the one that started calling people batshitcrazies.
52 - BamaBelle
Thank you, Diane Kristine. I see that john/gordon/samuels/etc's original "bamabelle is telling everyone she's batshit crazy" comment above my response was deleted. What misfortune.
To the multiple personality poster: the term batshit crazy wasn't directed at you or any other poster. It was in reference to the collective crazies who launched twitter attacks on HH. john/gordon/samuels/etc, I assure you, I would not call anyone with 'multiple intelligences' batshit crazy because here in the South, instead of namecalling, we learn the art of polite ambiguity.
53 - Alex
Hart is a bad example of a show runner on twitter. Possibly because Bones is a show that's been known to have nutty fans, especially the "shippers", but to get so upset over fans expressing their sometimes negative opinions is a little bit ridiculous.
Bill Prady, creator of The Big Bang Theory is a GOOD example of a show runner on twitter. He evidently reads his @ replies- I personally have gotten a response to him, and I know others that have as well. He ignores the stupidity, and just interacts with the fans that have legitimate questions, or positive feedback. And I think that's the way to do it.
Twitter can be a useful tool in networking, but anyone should know to stay off the internet if they don't like their feelings hurt.
54 - Me
Denis, You obviously missed my point. I did not say that he should listen to everything that fans say and change the show. No, I said to listen to their critiques. A lot of fans and Reviewers LOVE Bones. None of them are bashing the show. A lot of things they are saying might actually improve the show. Maybe Bones could eventually be recognized by the Emmy's. People who can't take criticism are too sensitive or are just too arrogant and think their work doesn't need improving. Hart has the number 1 show for now. In a few years, there will be other shows. That's just the truth. Why get so defensive when someone critiques your art when it can help in the long run?
Bamabelle, I agree. I don't think he should stress himself over those fans. Certain fans think they are entitled to something and they aren't. I just think that he seems to generalize online fans. Some are overzealous for sure but the sane ones, worship and love the show and I honestly think he could treat them with a little more respect. I can find 5 or more articles of Hart complaining about the insane fans and not one of him thanking the online fans for their dedication. Right now they are raising 4,000 dollars for charities in honor of Bones. I have yet to see an article with Hart Hanson commenting on that.
55 - Denis McGrath
Thirty. Eight. Thousand. Let me know when you finish counting.
56 - BamaBelle
Me-from Hart's article, he did not seem to generalize fans, nor did he seem to get defensive. He pointed out that, in spite of the small percentage of crazies, the majority of fans just want to see pictures of the show, etc. No one should get offended unless they are part of that socially retarded minority.
The problem I'm having with your logic is that Hart Hanson does not owe the fans anything. It's not as if we sign a contract saying that we are entitled to constant attention from the show's creator in exchange for our loyalty. People CHOOSE to watch Bones because Bones is a great show. Do we watch a show because of the mad social media skills of a show's creator? Not sure about you, but I don't. I could care less about twitter, and I think I'm probably representative of the majority of the fans who just want to see a good hour of Bones on Thursday night. I don't see why this has turned into such an issue.
57 - Osteon
Me, If you have yet to read an interview of Hart praising the fans, could it be because in these articles that you have read, the writers/reporters who have written on Hart's reaction to the crazies CHOSE to highlight the negative side of fans-showrunners interaction in their articles?
And when you say that he should listen to critiques, it's as though you're saying that he does not do that all. You make some sweeping statements as if you have knowledge of everything that goes on behind the scenes. Shows and networks have teams/groups that basically do that - gather feedback from viewers not just through the internet platform.
Hart is very much aware that there are really supportive fans out there. Remember his appreciation for those who traveled from different parts of the world just to be at the Paley Center? In case you missed it, he follows and retweets project_bones.
58 - Mary T
Who cares? Bones may be heading into its final
season.
The plots have become lame... Now that Brennan
is pregnant. Hart can end the series on a
high note.
He already has his new project.... The Finder.
So, Bones fans enjoy the final season. The
Finder will be replacing Bones if HH can
swing it.
59 - BuffaloluvsBoreanaz
I'm not surprised that Hart has chosen to block out the number of fans who have either expressed extreme displeasure with his work, or extreme worship of it. I am one of those very many that follows his tweets quietly, because I have an interest in the medium he works in, and as you can tell from my user-name, an interest in the actors that he has created characters for. I only feel a bit saddened though, for those of us who could offer a more sane perspective to him, that the few times we might choose to comment might never be viewed amidst all the "clutter" of others replies.
60 - Me
Denis, Since you aren't willing to accept other's opinions, why are you even bothering to post?
Bamabelle, I'm talking about other articles and comments Hart has made about the online fandom. He does tend to generalize and dismiss their opinions like they don't even matter since they are a part of the minority. I know that he doesn't owe the fans anything. It just doesn't look well to me to see someone constantly complaining about their fans. Every celeb or show creator has a number of "haters" on twitter. They don't constantly talk about it. Bones is not Mad Men or The Good Wife. It's fun but I have a few issues with it. Hart has The Finder coming out in next season but I've seen more than a few fans say they won't be watching because of Hart. Do they matter in the long run? Probably not. I just think for a creator of a show that wasn't even suppose to last, he could shift his focus on the positive fans. The ones who followed him when the show kept changing timeslots, who sat through the bad storylines and still love it. Osteon just made a great point that maybe the authors just wanted his opinion on the negative fans.
Osteon, I know he follows and re-tweets Project Bones and I said was there an interview with Hart talking about that? Where did I say I know anything about behind the scenes stuff? I've seen interviews with Marisa and interviews with Hart at Comic Con and others where he gets really defensive towards people when they make comments about the show he disagrees with. You do have a point though. Maybe the writers just want to get his opinion on the negative fans and how that makes him feel.
61 - BamaBelle
Me,
Hart is not the only show creator to take issue with the immature atmosphere of twitter. Grey's Anatomy and Community creators vocalized their feelings about such fans in an article back in October or November. They were of the same opinion as Hart. Why are they not getting yelled at?
Probably because, at the moment, crazy ass Bones fans are mad that they didn't get to have kinky vicarious sex with Booth and/or Bones. They're likely too dim to understand that the intimacy of the moment was sexier than full-blown porn. These folks didn't get what they wanted, so they're lashing out their frustrations on Hart. I'm sorry, but if a person gets that bent out of shape over fictional sex or lack thereof, they deserve to be called batshit crazy.
In addition, when you said that fans are saying they won't watch The Finder because of Hart, I think we're talking about the same small group of VOCAL fans who do not represent what the majority of Bones fans truly think. I for one am excited about The Finder.
62 - Shirley Chiarini
I love BONES-everything about it from A to Z. My only wish is that B&B would be more
loving toward each other. She treats him like a donor who did his job and doesn't have to be involved in what is happening.
He treats her like a roommate who is an old friend. Where is the love and warmth that grew between them over the years.