Counting down to till the first press release/appearance from a Native American Group upset about the performance of "Hey Ya. . ."…
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Counting down to till the first press release/appearance from a Native American Group upset about the performance of "Hey Ya. . ."…
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26 - Betty Ann Gross
No sweetie, you aren't my type. I don't "swing" that way. I'm not into girls.
Thanks for the offer, however. I'm flattered. ;)
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Sure, cop-out. Afraid?
Betty Ann
27 - Ms. Tek
Nope, just heterosexual. ;) Your sudden fixation on me does mean that you have excellent taste however. I knew there had to be some redeeming quality in you somewhere.
Once again, I'm flattered, but afraid not interested. Thank you anyway, dear.
28 - Shark
Betty: "... American Indians must struggle on a daily basis to get equality here in America."
Betty, at the risk of defusing this 'war' into a rational conversation, I have a few serious questions:
1) In what ways are American Indians unequal?
2) That statement implies that American Indians fuction as a monolithic entity; Is that really the case?
3) What specifically would you like to see changed in order for American Indians to get equality? Aspects of society? Current laws? Perceptions? Reinstate broken treaties from the past? Restitution? Others?
I'm asking with sincerity in the hope that you'll enlighten and educate me.
I would welcome a civil, reasonable response from David also.
Thanks in advance,
Shark
29 - Shark
Oh yeah, I have a few more:
4) What is your opinion of public pow-wows?
5) What is your opinion of musician Bill Miller?
Again, ur a,
Shark
30 - Red
Hey, don't leave me out. I have a question too. And seriously, the fate of Native Americans could hinge on the answer.
What do you think of David Lee Roth?
31 - Mac Diva
David Lee Roth? He's kind of washed up. But, I prefer him to Yeagley.
32 - Betty Ann Gross
For being such so called well-educated and diversed people on this blog, it appears to us that the only groups of people you prefer to associate with are blacks and of course whites.
American Indians possess something rare that no other nation has and this is what assisted our ancestors and us today to survive.
Blacks and whites feel superior over any other minority race here in America and yet they are the most pitiful groups here in the USA. Blacks like the one's on this site "feel" they are empowered when in reality there are powerless. The whites feel they control America through their genetic coding but in reality they are only props.
Until you folks here in America realize that this country is not one dream world of a huge melting pot, you are going to remain static in your viewpoints. You will continue to be afraid to speak out openly about issues that are controversial in nature. And you will continue to feed off one another like parasites. Whites feeding off blacks in fear of being sued. Blacks feeding out whites in fear of being left out of the American dream. What you white and black folks don't realize is that the era of slavery still has you bound together...so have fun in that dream world of equality, justice and freedom for all.
It is very evident on this site that you choose to condemn two American Indians because they are outspoken. Instead of asking in a civil manner why we choose to be the way we are...you followed like yes men and women behind a black woman and you attacked Yeagley and I. To me this is open retaliation and discrimination against American Indians on this site. The past has not really changed here in America. You blacks and whites still feel superior over American Indians. But don't you ever forget that this land has our ancestors blood stained on it forever.
There are many websites and educational sites on the web where you can read about anyone of the tribes in America. The best place to start is in the heartbeat of America with the Santee, Teton and Yankton bands in South Dakota.
Betty Ann
33 - Eric Olsen
Actually, not one word would have been different if you had been Cambodians: your ideas and values were attacked, not your ethnic group. A lot of people made the point that they do not believe you speak for American Indians. This is simply a plea for victimology.
34 - Betty Ann Gross
"I'm asking with sincerity in the hope that you'll enlighten and educate me."
Shark writes
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Come to South Dakota to our reservation and you will have the history lesson of your life. In fact drag your black posters along with you. Let's meet all of you in person now.
PS: I saved all the posts just in case you need your memories "re-charged".
Betty Ann
35 - Betty Ann Gross
"Actually, not one word would have been different if you had been Cambodians: your ideas and values were attacked, not your ethnic group. A lot of people made the point that they do not believe you speak for American Indians. This is simply a plea for victimology." Posted
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And you do not speak for a vast majority of Americans either, now do you. A plea for victimology..wrong, I am not a black person, I don't bring victimology or holler racism when attacked by blacks and whites. You've been nestled in the white and black bosoms of one another for so long, you lost site of your direction...too funny.
When you attack our words, values and belief systems, you are ATTACKING us...so don't give me that smoke screen or fluff of this site not using retaliation against us.
You are too afraid to fight a race fight, because you do not understand the problem here. You are all professional posters without nothing else to show in life.
Well, I earned my eagle feathers and so did Yeagley and now I personally want some answers from this so called professional blog about your remarks and comments tossed my way.
Betty Ann
36 - Betty Ann Gross
Unlike most of you professional so called critics of the human species, I need to get to work, but am going to say one last thing here.
You openly attacked a comanche man Dr. Yeagley without trying to reason or understand what he was trying to say.
Instead you immediately allowed a black woman to lead you by the nose and attack, condemn, humiliate and distort the posts of Yeagley.
All of you still feel American Indians are the lesser group of people here in America and that is just fine with me. I would rather walk down a crowded avenue with a homeless person then anyone of you on this site. This is how disgusting your site really is.
So line up and dance your dance behind Outkast.
Betty Ann
37 - Phillip Winn
Here's an answer, Ms Gross: Yes, I am (part) American Indian. (#21) However, the idea that I must be of a certain race in order to speak my mind is appalling, and reveals much about you.
You have now threatened this board with destructive behavior (#23), something I don't appreciate at all. Your statements are not welcome here. We manage to be contentious enough discussing issues of race without the vile malignant stain of your words polluting these boards.
Please crawl back under your rock. Thank you.
P.S. Don't bother answering all of the questions you've been asked. You clearly don't intend to anyway, but the offer is rescinded.
38 - andy
hmm. I just thought they were going for a Peter Pan thing.
I thought it was H.O. double T.
39 - Shark
Hey, I tried.
seeya.
40 - BB
Unbelievable. I do not understand why some people see everything through a colored lens. My family originates from the Dakotas. My family is of a mixed race and the one thing that I teach my kids is to be color blind. When I come across people that see everything as black, red, white, yellow, green , purple or polka dot I frankly don't get it. It is a simplistic, vile view of the world and surely the human species is much more than that.
Betty Ann I do not judge you by your color or race, nor do I dance to the tune of MD or anybody else at BC. I speak and think for myself. I agree that some of the attacks on you were out of line. Nevertheless you must understand it is a topic that brings out the worst in people and those that live by the sword die by the sword. Judge not lest you be judged. They are words to live by. Please learn a little tolerance and you will receive accordingly.
41 - Joe
Good call, Chris!
42 - Mac Diva
ROFL! Brother Elk, eh? Sounds like another big chief wannabe to this Indian. I would love to know what his name was before the change to 'Brother Elk'. Jones? Smith? Brown? That story belongs on E Online. Now, excuse me while I pray to my sacred feather.
43 - Ga-ne-sha
"The average Indian is just as appreciative of the civil rights movement as any other 'colored' person. He or she knows that but for the bravery of African-American leaders, the rights now taken for granted would not exist." Mac Diva
This is such a strange statement it should exclude you from further comment on anything:
1] You claim to know what the "average Indian" thinks. You do not know what an average Indian is. You just made this up [because it makes you feel good.]
2] The civil rights movement did nothing for Indians on reservations. So far as I know, Indians do not think the civil rights movement moved them at all, much less into a grand state that they now take for granted. The condition of reservations speaks for itself.
3] Least of all did the civil rights movement abolish the BIA, the chronic source of the Federal Gov't's treaty violations.
4] MLK was brave and a hero, but he in no way considered Indians as in severe need of liberation to a treatment of equality under the law. He ignored Indians, not purposefully, but because he had enough on his hands. You seem to think MLK somehow saved Indians and that they should thank him for it. [I thank MLK for being himself.] This idea that Indians should be beholden to Blacks is as example of what Yeagley is talking about. Comprende?
5] I am not aware that Indians view themselves as "colored". Nor should they want to, IMHO. Others may want to in order to make themselves feel good: thus they still seem to want to feel superior to Indians in being able to coapt them as "colored" when they are not colored, and Blacks know this.
6] As a point of order, black is not a color. It is the absence of light. White contains all colors. Thus Whites are the most colored.
7] What you should really be worried about is your acceptance of your designation as an "African American". Think about it: the term implies you are not really an American like the rest of us. It implies that maybe you should go back to Africa, which no one in their right mind should want to do.
This contradictory dream or demand will never be fulfilled. Thus,it says your roots are in Africa and you will never be at peace until you go there, which you will never do. You are in limbo by means of this term.
The term demands you recall a history which did not happen personally to you, and that you should look at your self as a victim, or permanently handicapped by an event which occurred at least 7 generations ago [a generation being a 20 year interval.]
The strangest thing about the term is that you have not been allowed to choose it. You can call yourself that, but why should everyone else assume that any particular Black wants to be named thus? Aren't individual Blacks allowed to make up their own minds? No.
So have Democrats/Liberals furthered your freedom or have they tried to keep you enslaved psychologically and materially by creating a victimhood mentality and reality requiring an entitlement, which you then insure with your vote?
Doing battle with Indians, or trying to control them in the same way Liberals control you is a big mistake.
44 - Ms. Tek
Does anyone enjoy eating cheese in the morning? I am sure that thousands, if not hundreds of thousands eat cheesy omelets, breakfast sandwiches, etc, EACH AND EVERY MORNING.
Cheese has just wormed it way into being a very important part of the diet!
Next time you are in the mood for an omelet try a spinach, feta cheese, and soy sausage omelet!
It's mmm, mmm. good!
45 - Shark
Ms Tek,
Ever had Velveeta with boiled dog?
Mmmmm.... yummy.
46 - Shark
BTW:
Since this folder has been so quiet lately, I've invited some radical anarchist representatives from the following organizations:
The Straight Cowboys Club
Christian Cops for Christ
NY City Ironworkers Union
Biker Image Consultants Assoc.
Veterans of Foreign Wars
Russell Means, American Indian Movement
I'm opening up the topic with the question:
THE VILLAGE PEOPLE:
Legitimate contribution to education and cultural diversity?
Or a bunch of deviants appropriating degrading stereotypical symbols of oppressed people?
to join us here for a disc
47 - bhw
The Shark is snarky!
48 - BB
Macho, macho man...
All we are saying... is give peace a chance!!!
All you need is LOVE (rolling percussive instruments)
49 - Eric Olsen
omelette du fromage
50 - Sam
as a Native American as well i was offended by their performance. someone said only the headress was offensive, but if you ask any Native American the whole performance was degrading. This is 2004 you would think stereotyping to this level would not be around.
51 - Sam
as a Native American as well i was offended by their performance. someone said only the headress was offensive, but if you ask any Native American the whole performance was degrading. This is 2004 you would think stereotyping to this level would not be around. I only say this because little kids that saw that get the assumption that Native Americans still live in Teepees going around chanting Hey Ya.
52 - Ms. Tek
So, are little kids who play cowboy and indian offensive?
53 - duane
I was gravely offended by the Monty Python Spam sketch, which depicted Vikings, my ancestors, as loud, boisterous, intrusive, hedonistic, drunken...oh, wait...I guess that's true...uh...nevermind.
54 - Mac Diva
You're getting it, Duane. All three of my groups of ancestors (Indian, African and white) were "loud, boisterous, intrusive," etc., at times, thank you. The sad asses trying to make an issue of this are taking normal human behavior and trying to turn it into something reprehensible because 'the blacks' did it. You would think whites and Indians never party, for chrissakes.
Latest Yeagley posters, the civil rights movement was more than Martin Luther King, Jr. It was the impetus for the civil rights legislation that made it possible for people of color (anyone who thinks Indians are not people of color is being ludicrous) free to participate in the larger society. That made public accommodations, employment, educational facilities and even marriage outside of one's 'race' open to everyone. Nor is it true that any group of 'colored' Americans was ignored. If one looks at the amicus curiae briefs for the civil rights cases, they are there, too, because they were suffering from segregation and discrimination just as much as African-Americans. Often lawyers and other leaders from different minority groups worked together. Did the movement and laws solve all the problems? Of course not.
The Indian racists I've known have usually been complete losers like Yeagley. They were looking for scapegoats, a way to ignore their own problems. And, ultimately, they always have failed. 'In the bottle' was often where they ended up. I don't know if Yeagley is there, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is.
55 - Ms. Tek
I didn't have any cheese for dinner. That is okay because I did have my cheese earlier. It was American cheese.
56 - Mac Diva
Well, they keep coming here from over at Yeagley's site, Vic. Maybe it is the agnostic missionary in me, but I feel a need to say that what they claim doesn't make sense. Indians not people of color? The civil rights movement not including rights for Indians? Indians being solemn all the time? I can't ignore ignorance like that.
57 - sista
What? MD all alone with her computer on Valentines Day? No sweety to cuddle up to? Ever wonder why? Just look in the mirror baby.
58 - Mac Diva
How is it going, 'Browngirl'?
59 - sista
MD are you talking to me? Are you calling me "browngirl"? You really are a sick racist.
60 - Mac Diva
Just saying high, sweetie. Tell your creator that, when creating future sock puppets, he should change the email servers and IP addresses. It is obvious, otherwise.
61 - David Yeagley
I released by first recording recently. Opus One Recording. It is American classical contemporary. It is a tone poem for American Indian flute and the Polish National Radio Symphony.
To be fair, in the music business, I must allow everyone to critique the "authenticity" of the work, and invite racial, ethnic, cultural, and personal criticism!
I'll send a copy of the CD to Blogscritics and see what happens. There's a NAMMY award category these days...(for "Native" Americans. I think that means Indian.)