Counting down to till the first press release/appearance from a Native American Group upset about the performance of "Hey Ya. . ."
10 . . . 9 . . . 8
The marching band was a nice touch but, I like the Snow Bunny Outfits better.
AUTHOR UPDATE: For T-David: Andre "Ice Cold" 3000 and his entourage came out to perform "Hey Ya" at the Grammy's in outfits inspired by what I guess would be considered traditional Native American Dress. This post was mainly intended to be a little comment on the way people overreact to things, and I guess I proved the point. There was also a small kernel of truth to the idea that Native American Groups might be offended, and this was based on my wife's reaction, who while not Native American, grew up in the heart of the Cherokee Nation: Tahlequah, OK. The only thing I saw that might be considered crossing the line was the wearing of the Full Head Dress by the D.J.
Also, I did not intend for this post to be a troll trap, but apparently Mr. Yeagley just cannot help himself.
Article comments
— go to most recent comments1 - David Yeagley
Try this one: http://www.badeagle.com/
permalink:
http://www.badeagle.com/journal/archives/2004_02.html#000424
Posted earlier this monrning.
2 - David Yeagley
Indians, like everyone else in America, have been pressured into fear of "black" people. "Black" people get OFFENDED, terribly. No one must offend them, ever, for any reason.
There may not be too much outrage in print. Someone might get threatened with violence, or sued.
3 - Ms. Tek
David, will you fucking choke already!! Can't you play in traffic, or something?
What the hell was it that made you turn this way? What did a black person get that you felt you should have gotten but did not? What turned you into such a vile creature?
4 - David Yeagley
I rest my case.
5 - shaun
haha, i ahve to agree with david on this one
6 - B
As an American Indian I'm confused. The networks said that in light of a certain breast being exposed on t.v. all subsequent live performances will be on a five second delay to quickly edit out any offensive material. Yet, we,Indeginious Americans, were lampooned by the members of OutKast in the ending number of the Grammys 2004. Now to me that hurts a lot more than seeing Mrs. Jackson's breast. I know many people aren't interested in Native American issues but the continual use of these charaicatures makes it hard for us to remain a valid culture in manys eyes. Through these kinds of performances and stereotypes we have turned into cartoons and images of the past instead of the live and active members of todays world that we are.
Lets turn the tables. Say a top selling act decided that thier new song sort of resembles an African Tribal chant. And this performer decides to go along with that motif. I can see on stage non-Africans dreassed up with some sort of loin cloth or perhaps some grass like the Africans we see in National Geographic or the Discovery Channel. These "Africans" all have huge painted on lips, large prosthetic noses, and holding spears. They dance around a large cooking pot with a white captive inside getting boiled for supper. All in good fun and to enhance the artistic quality of the performance. I'd be suprised if even George W. Bush 'hissef' didn't get on t.v. and speak out against such a racist act.
Still, no one cares that this was the case for America's original inhabitants. It's a sad day in American when the race that has fought so hard for thier freedom and civil rights would so openly and shamelessly use such a beautiful people in such an ugly and demeaning way.
7 - Eric Olsen
I didn't think the usage was in any way ugly or degrading, but I do get your point.
8 - David Yeagley
Here's another "protest," from Native American Times:
http://nativetimes.com/index.asp?action=displayarticle&article_id=3764
It is the last paragraph in the article.
Eric, you cannot be expected to sense anything degrading in the OutKast performance. You have shown no familiarity whatever with Indian ways or values. Your opinion is utterly biased, is it not?
Never mind the other conversations. Stay right here. You obviously perceive no difference whatever in non-white cultures. This it white liberal way. All "darkies" are the same to you.
Is this not true, in a very real sense?
Your words here are very, very telling.
You grant OutKast the right to play Indian, like whites love to do, but who are being told "No Indian mascots, names, or logos."
Can you straighten this out, or shall we just right it off as "Indians are on the bottom, and "blacks" can do whatever they want."? "Blacks" represent all dark people and therefore have the authority to do whatever they want, even things white people can't do.
This is truly crippled thinking on the part of the white liberal. Shall we call it "racist?"
9 - Phillip Winn
Mr. Yeagley, your attempts to spin the innocent statments of others as racist from behind your dark heart are repugnant. While you rant and rave against black people on nearly every topic from the comfort of your website, good people of all cultures, including those indigenous to America, work to leave your kind in the past, where your message belongs.
I know better than to think you misunderstand. I will tell you right now that you are on a short list of people looking to get banned. Attribute that to whatever you wish, and I'm sure you'll turn it into someting race-related. But know this: it is only because of one thing, your statements.
10 - Mac Diva
Another reason why the other thread should have remained open. It was serving as a repository. Now, Yeagley and his tagalongs will be all over the place. The more places they are, the more readers will see them. The more readers who see them, the worse the impression created.
And, Eric, please. You know better than what you just said in an effort at comity. American music is largely based on African music for Chrissakes. Only someone bigoted enough to believe there is something wrong with African chants (because 'gorillas' produce them?) would have posted the hogwash 'B,' probably Yeagley himself, did.
And, once more, these people do not represent American Indians. Both Yeagley and Gross up and declared themselves Indians a few years ago. Until then, they said they were white. So, there is no need to kowtow a to naive assumption they represent anyone other than themselves. They don't. The average Indian is just as appreciative of the civil rights movement as any other 'colored' person. He or she knows that but for the bravery of African-American leaders, the rights now taken for granted would not exist.
11 - BB
Mr. Yeagley it is good to find a major purpose in life that gives our boring, meagre lives meaning. But with all due respect please learn to be a little more color blind. I say that in all sincerity and not just for your sole edification. That goes for all of us.
12 - TDavid
Chris Cotner - with all due respect, this is one of those increasingly common posted blog entries that doesn't contain enough information to fill in the blanks for those who aren't familiar with the situation.
It assumes knowledge about 'Hey ya' (with no links) and why a Native American Group would be upset?
And no, I'm not following the URL in comment #1, because that one is on the Do Not Visit list.
By the comments I can draw inference, but it would be nice to have some sort of history on this piece. Just FYI, not everybody follows this kind of thing :(
Thanks.
13 - David Yeagley
Okay. Maybe I should have just let you all respond to "B"'s post without interfering. I should have let you show if you'd learned anything from the other conversations.
A word of advice, if you really want to grow, you'll have to ban MacDiva. This individual is too rancorous, and will only attract more of the same. McD is more than guilty of every accusation she makes, and the fact that you would let a non-descript, non-identified, non-named, non-repectful, apparently perpetually prevaricating person continue to dominate, shows you are either inexperienced in this business, or you agree with he/she/or it. I think it's the latter, so, that's what you'll get.
I'll politely leave on my own. If you want any comments from me, conatact me at BadEagle.com. I'll be happy to respond. Remember, I was invited here.
14 - Ms. Tek
*sigh*
You all know better. Why fan the flames?
I promise you, keep responding, and if he doesn't get banned, he and gross are going to be a reoccuring problem. I've read the other sites and forums. The racist hard on they have hasn't even begun to show yet. Nip it while there is still time.
15 - Ms. Tek
Yeagley, you were invited by Al Barger. It seems that most the other regulars would like to see you and your bigoted statements gone. Or are you like a vampire? Once invited in, no one can be rid of you?
If you truly are a patriot, then you will believe in democracy. The majority of us would like to see you go away.
So, go away.
16 - Ms. Tek
Oh... and I forgot to add...
Thank you for going away.
17 - chip
As scary as it may sound when it comes to Mac Diva, Yeagley makes a good point doesn't he?
18 - Mac Diva
Whatever. I have two successful blogs of my own and get invited to join other group blogs regularly. Furthermore, good writers are not the rule in the blogosphere. Blogcritics loss would just be someone else's gain. And, considering that I have quit the site before, I would have had first dibs anyway.
(Actually, I don't think these 'new' commenters are real. I suspect they are Yeagley or one of his few supporters posting under different names and email accounts. So, I am going to take their brain droppings with a grain of salt.)
Vic, I must have read hundreds of responses to Yeagley over the years. I agree that he is impermeable, as insane people often are. And, he has been performing the very same act for at least a decade. Talking about a wasted life. . . .
19 - gee
We've all read MD's comments below:
"Actually, he has quite a lot in common with such persons, since he was a fervidly Right Wing, insecure, none too bright, crack-brained white man before he decided to 'become' an Indian."
Question: If Mr. Yeagley, Al Barger or any other person had made that comment and we changed the words "white man" to black man would that be considered racist?
20 - gee
We've all read MD's comments below:
"Actually, he has quite a lot in common with such persons, since he was a fervidly Right Wing, insecure, none too bright, crack-brained white man before he decided to 'become' an Indian."
Question: If Mr. Yeagley, Al Barger or any other white person had made that comment and we changed the words "white man" to black man would that be considered racist?
21 - Betty Ann Gross
"And, once more, these people do not represent American Indians. Both Yeagley and Gross up and declared themselves Indians a few years ago. Until then, they said they were white. So, there is no need to kowtow a to naive assumption they represent anyone other than themselves. They don't. The average Indian is just as appreciative of the civil rights movement as any other 'colored' person. He or she knows that but for the bravery of African-American leaders, the rights now taken for granted would not exist." Mac Diva writes
---
Are you American Indian, if not shut your face up. The civil rights acts and laws are abused continuously by others and we the American Indians must struggle on a daily basis to get equality here in America.
You feel the Outkast deal was not offensive to American Indians..of course you would not...you spit out vile racist remarks yourself and judge others when it is tossed back into your face.
Now I am not going to post again oh, black one unless you use my name again!
Betty Ann Gross American Indian activist
22 - Ms. Tek
Psycho.
23 - Betty Ann Gross
"I promise you, keep responding, and if he doesn't get banned, he and gross are going to be a reoccuring problem. I've read the other sites and forums. The racist hard on they have hasn't even begun to show yet. Nip it while there is still time." It posted
---
Problem? The only problem on this blog is you self serving God fearing non-entities who feel you can judge others and make efforts to discredit American Indians by chanting RACISM, RACISM!
The reality of these posts reveal it is you the faithful peacemakers in America that are afraid to talk on the subject of racism. Yes, racism exists in Indian country not only against the whites but you blacks also.
Once again, if I see my name used once again, I will get my contacts together and we will flood this worthless un-unified board like you would never imagine.
Let the war party begin!
Betty Ann
24 - Betty Ann Gross
Ms Tek:
Would you like to go one on one with me?
Betty Ann
25 - Ms. Tek
No sweetie, you aren't my type. I don't "swing" that way. I'm not into girls.
Thanks for the offer, however. I'm flattered. ;)