EDITOR'S UPDATE - This post has been edited to reflect changes in fact brought up in the comments. Thanks and sorry.…
"A sinister cabal of superior writers."
Actor Adam Goldberg Has Meltdown On IFC? - Comments Page 4
EDITOR'S UPDATE - This post has been edited to reflect changes in fact brought up in the comments. Thanks and sorry.…
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126 - Cerulean
The editors here changed the title to edit out the reference that was objected to. I'm willing to change the other content that was objected to on the say so of the subjects if there's some way I could be sure of who are, even to the point of asking that the comments be edited to take the drug references out. If the ways I suggested to confirm identity don't work, maybe there are others.
It's very hard to use the say so of the subjects of a story as a basis for amending it without knowing if that is who they are. I'm not interested in slandering people, or even getting them in trouble with their publicists. You'd be surprised at the lengths people go to impersonate prominent people online, even memorizing hundreds of facts about them. I'd actually like to change the content if I could get more confirmation. It's dissappointing to me that this can't be resolved more definitively.
As far as the dropping trou as opposed to beginning to take out his dick issue: It looked like the former. To the thousands of people who saw the show, that's what they would think. It's entirely possible that these two gestures can't be distinguished unless they get pretty far along. This is the kind of thing I would have been willing to correct on his say so.
Is this gesture funny? On this occasion, everyone there just looked alarmed but Adam Goldberg has been extremely funny in movies and TV shows that I've seen.
It's disappointing that I can't confirm his identity enough to amend the article to take out certain things. I'll leave it to the editors to do any further editing based on their beliefs about the authenticity of his identity and what is right. Go ahead and write that he began to take off this pants. I don't have any preference in the matter as long as its him saying that. It did look like a gesture of anger to me.
I'm disappointed that this ended with a whimper and without a way to definitely correct any mistakes. I leave any further editing to the editors.
127 - Bryan McKay
Cerulean, I started out being angry about this post because it made us all look like fools. It made the Blogcritics community look like gossip-hungry sensationalists without any desire to check facts (or spelling). When Adam Goldberg and Christina Ricci showed up (and yes, it was them - take the fucking publisher's word for it), most of us were around to clear things up while you were conspicuously absent. Maybe that's why you missed the revelation of their identities - YOU WEREN'T HERE. It seems like everyone else has wisened up and moved on, but your comment here seems to indicate quite the contrary. Don't be stubborn. This was your mistake. If you have such illustrious credentials, you should understand the concept of maintaining one's credibility. This post may have started with us all looking like fools, but now it's just you, honestly. Why can't you just do the mature thing and admit you made a mistake and apologize for it? I think you'd earn yourself a lot more respect around here if you did.
128 - Aaman
or just sod off, whichever suits yr fancy
BC is not abt verifying identity or authenticity of comments ,just posts
129 - Bryan McKay
You know what, I think I like Aaman's solution better.
130 - confused
You lost one over this (re:110), now you want to drive off another? So much shit, so little thinking. So much hubris, so little esprit de corps.
I guess that's what happens to sinister cabals. I guess this is a side effect of poisoning the wellspring.
131 - uao
Not only do you owe Adam Goldman an apology, you owe all of Blogcritics a big fat one. Get over yourself and realize how much damage you've done to a lot of people this week.
Or take the hints the others have offered you and take a hike. Because you're poison.
132 - uao
I'm sorry, Adam Goldberg. Me and names.
133 - confused
uao, I meant censoring, deleting comments.
Cerulean had the right to say what she wanted, even if she was mistaken, or rude, or whatever.
The wellspring is free speech, and the open exchange of thoughts and ideas. Relling someone to leave because you don't like what they say, or you are afraid of the consequences is a far greater poison than any kind of thing that can be said itself.
134 - Dave Nalle
The key thing about deleting comments after the fact is that it just shows weak defensiveness and doesn't solve any problems. If the comments have already been seen and caused offense - or in this case mostly been harmless - deleting them afterwards doesn't undo the harm, it just makes you look arbitrary and oppressive.
Dave
135 - Temple Stark
No, you're not the one who keeps bringing this up at all. How could I have thought such a thing? I understand. I have it you're two people. and neither is really honest with the other.
136 - Dave Nalle
Temple, I'm responding to confused and uao. I am not talking to or about you. I am talking about the practice of deleting comments and the impression which it creates, whether intended or not.
Dave
137 - uao
I'm sorry; I was addressing Cerulean about her responsibility to the community, which I think she fails to recognize. That would be esprit de corps.
I didn't see what was deleted; so I have no thought on that issue. Frankly, I think the whole article should have been deleted. Not to advocate censorship, but to maintain the integrity of the site's image to the public it hopes to reach.
Long day at work today, and I was a little grumpy. I don't mean she should be kicked out, or anything like that. But I still think she owes the site an acknowledgement that she understands why people boyond a.g. are angry with her post and her subsequent responses to the whole brouhaha.
I'll butt out; need to do my own blogging anyway.
'night...
138 - uao
oops, meant to close those italics after "kicked"
139 - uao
which I hereby close now? test...
140 - uao
Ah!
141 - El Bicho
The whole incident is an embarrassment to the site and the post plus comments should be removed. I thought this kind of thing was only tolerated in the Politics section.
142 - confused
More for unpersons and removal of uncomfortable things. Just toss aside any idea of free speech when you don't like it?
Maybe Gonzo was right to leave us. I know this whole thing has made me miss clicking the BlogCritics link to read from my "humble narrator", or to hear him and Dave go at it and force me to actually think about something. Most of the time it is the interplay in the comments that is the good stuff to read after a decent article.
143 - Dave Nalle
Deleting this post and thread solves nothing. It's like brushing dirt under the rug. Face up to the mistakes made here, accept them, and try not to make them again. That's the only way to deal with it sensibly.
Dave
144 - Cerulean
There's people here who actually wait poised to slam someone like a ton of bricks because it makes them feel important. They wait for what they perceive as an excuse and do what they always wanted to do. Bryan, the last time I saw you you were slamming Katie Holmes heavy for no reason. UAO, I ignore your posts because that is what they merit. I don't read them. Based on what I see on this thread you seem to want attention and what you believe is a reason to slam to me is like Christmas to you. What is wrong with your life, only you can say.
Basically I think I've responded to you guys and any similar spirits for all time. If I don't respond in future, it's because you're still pathetic. Get a life!
145 - uao
I'd like to think a woman your age would act a little more mature and sensibly. Glad I finally got your attention though, you know how I crave it.
146 - Eric Olsen
the post has been edited, the comments will remain as they are - the main problem here has been lashing out by several people in several directions. Let's work on that.
147 - Dr. Tristan, M.D.
Much Ado About NOTHING ............
IF ----
1/2 the energy vented in this entire futile useless thread had been directed in the direction of AFRICA --- poverty and bad government BOTH could have been eradicated there ............
reminds me of kids in nursery school talking about how their dad could beat up your dad .....
148 - Mark Schannon
Haven't had the time to either post or comment in ages, but I got an e-mail from Gonzo too and came running.
This is beyond a doubt the screwiest thread I've ever read. I just skimmed it, but whoever Temple is, he's the one who should either apologize for his unending vituperative comments or leave BC. (Hell, I thought this was Eric's site...maybe it's Temple's.)
Is there a full moon or something? Are too many of BC's posters taking mood enhancing drugs (and not sharing)? Can we get Gonzo back?
Stay tuned for more mindless ravings of a self-informed mind.
(If Gonzo absolutely refuses to come back, dibs on "exclesior".)
149 - Eric Olsen
everyone wants Gonzo back - it's up to him
150 - Nancy
Any way to start a petition to Gonzo to beg him to come back? I'll sign first.
151 - Dr. Tristan, M.D.
DON'T LEAVE GONZO~~~
you'll leave all the sheep to the ravaging WOLVES ...........
We need your Voice of Reason and
standing up for the Underdog...!!!!
Don't give in Gonzo ...!!!!
152 - Eric Olsen
"Buffy, Buffy come back to me
Why'd you have to go and OD
Who'll take care of Mrs Beasley"?
153 - swingingpuss
Dont see why Temple should apologize . lts his prerogative to delete comments he sees fit junked.
Furthermore no one has the right to invade others' privacy by checking IP addresses
154 - Mark Schannon
Swingingpuss--there are two points. Temple's continuing arrogance and rudeness to others--if that's tolerated, then Gonzo won't be the only one to find somewhere else to rant and rave. The second is who should be able to delete someone else's post. (Hell, I can't even edit my own.) My sense is that he was deleting other comments--why is that his right?
I do agree that checking IP addresses should be off limits.
155 - Bryan McKay
Temple Stark is the executive editor of this site and has privledges that aren't available to most. One of these is enforcing the official comment policy. If you have any further editorial concerns or if you wish to question Temple's judgement, please feel free to take your concerns to the Yahoo Group (which you should both be a part of) or directly to Temple through his personal email.
156 - Rodney Welch
Well I say keep the thread. I've found it immensely entertaining; it even made me jealous of all the people getting the attention -- how sick is that? I wished I had taken a side, any side, just to get a response from AG or CR. Then I could walk into the coffeehouse this afternoon, look all forlorn and pissed, and when someone asked why I could say "Could you back off? Cristina Ricci just took a HUGE bite out of my ass today, and I just ... need ... to be ... alone ... okay?" And in my world, THAT would fucking rock.
157 - Bryan McKay
Rodney, the thread is being kept as is and comments will continue to be open.
I know how you feel, btw. I told my girlfriend that Adam Goldberg and Christina Ricci showed up here and she thought it was pretty exciting.
158 - Eric Olsen
I told my dad that Adam Goldberg and Christina Ricci showed up here and he said who the hell are they? True story
159 - Eric Olsen
but my son on the other hand ... he likes short women, so you can imagine ...
160 - Shark
Cerulean: "There's people here who actually wait poised to slam someone like a ton of bricks because it makes them feel important."
Um, after posting some trivial, adolescent crap about an actor's alleged "meltdown on drugs" that were witnessed on TV -- (GAWD! IT MUST BE TRUE!) -- this statement gets Shark's semi-official:
IRONY OF THE DAY AWARD
PS: Dear Christina,
You blew my mind in Buffalo 66. Awesome performance!
xxoo
Shark (despite always averting his eyes when a celebrity enters the room as a matter of principle)
PPS: Call me if you ever wanna leave the dude with the alleged bad table manners.
heh.
161 - Phillip Winn
Until yesterday, all comments resulted in an email sent to the author of a given article, completely with the IP address of the commenter. I modified the process Monday so that the email no longer contains the IP address. All IP addresses are still logged.
Temple is Executive Editor of Blogcritics.org, which does make this entire thread very unfortunate. Adam Goldberg has graciously agreed to let matters rest, and so I'm closing comments on this thread.
Thanks.