EDITOR'S UPDATE - This post has been edited to reflect changes in fact brought up in the comments. Thanks and sorry.…
"A sinister cabal of superior writers."
Actor Adam Goldberg Has Meltdown On IFC? - Comments Page 3
EDITOR'S UPDATE - This post has been edited to reflect changes in fact brought up in the comments. Thanks and sorry.…
Article comments
— go to most recent comments76 - Temple Stark
If they wish for a tech question, writer@templestark.com - though either apparently already has my e-mail.
I imagine they just want to forget this. Adam acted a little wild on stage. That was about the crux of this whole thread.
Good luck.
- temple
77 - bhw
C'mon, Dave, can't you go watch a Paris Hilton video to get your rocks off?
78 - a goldberg
it wasn't a stage, it was a restaurant, temple. don't worry about access to my PUBLIC folder (hence the name). Feel free to download some tunes form a forthcoming record. Nice almost apology.
HOWEVER: I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO THANK UEO (not savvy enough to find the upside down "e") for finally addressing the issue at hand. As much as I appreciate Eric's conclusion/addendum that we are in fact us, this is still not the point. Whether it was us or it wasn't: the point we were making was that gossip veiled as news with heaps of not only presumption but lazy (if at all) fact checking is the issue.
And yes my name pops up readily now as a drug addict on Google. I'm a lot of things, but alas, cerulian, not a junky. Always kinda wanted to be, but I'm prone to migraines and have a fear of vomiting. I suppose there's no such thing as bad press.
An interview? That was going to be an early threat, how non of y'all would ever see the light of that glorious day (irony alert! irony alert!) But now, it seems sort of enticing and fitting. The contingency, however, would be that it has to be with the Jewess in residence, Cerulian.
And no, I did not act in I Love Your Work, but the rest is accurate. IMDB, I find is generally (except for the ugly gossip sub-faction, hmmmm....) a safe bet.
Dave we've enjoyed your input, however tell your daughter to be suspicious still of blogs as a whole. The internet has entitled anyone and everyone to be a "journalist," something like all things, the right of which, I believe one should learn and earn. As far as the I Love Your Work blog, I had to agree to it in order to secure financing from these young bucks who threw in some dough, but ultimately I pulled the blog since it devoted the entire first entry to the smoking habits of myself and Giovanni.
A bit trite, don't you think?
Thank you all and be well.
ag
p.s. thanks to cr (aka f. staggers) for standing up for the old man to begin with (and sending me into cyber spiral)..xo
79 - uao
No charge, ag. The article made all of us look bad.
Cheers!
uao
80 - Temple Stark
The discussion on what is terribly inapproparite and what is OK and what is great has been reawakened and we are having it behind the scenes. Thak oy for that re-awakening. We're not ignoring the real issues involved here.
You both were still acting like 11 year olds after the first comment that you left. I don't think an apology is necesary in that area. I'd say the same to anyone who acted that way. In the beginning you were acting like any other fake poster.
I was too sensitive to the comments directed at me. But from what I thought were fly-by trolls they didn't seem to need to be tolerated. It is about perspective. As you have come to appreciate - and probably have known for quite some time, comments about livelihood are important to many.
We will gladly accept guest essays or op-eds if you like. On anything but a rebuttal also if desired. Contact Eric Olsen.
81 - Temple Stark
Or spelled correctly, "thank you"
82 - Bryan McKay
There is still a chance to work something positive out of this. My only hope is that the negative aura around this thread won't spread and give us a bad name amongst the Hollywood cognoscenti. It's certainly encouraging to know that our site is recieving relatively high-profile traffic, but hopefully most people who come across us don't leave with such a bad taste in their mouth. I don't purport to represent the entire site, but I would like to apologize nonetheless. Posts like this are rare around here, and we will try harder to avoid libelous, false claims from appearing in the future. We usually aren't this bad, I swear.
83 - Dave Nalle
>>C'mon, Dave, can't you go watch a Paris Hilton video to get your rocks off?<<
It was THAT kind of photo. Never mind then. It was my daughter who wanted to see it, and she's not old enough to see such things.
As for a Paris Hilton video, I'll watch one when I need to purge after eating spoiled meat.
Dave
84 - H.W. Saxton
I was going to write and proffer forth an apology at large from the site to AG and Ms Christina at large, because as has been pointed out more eloquently than I could have done, it does reflect on the regular posters/contributors and should not be taken as an example of the site as a whole. At least I would hope not. I'm glad those that did apologize did what they did. And I'm sorry that AG and Christina had to deal with that. I am impressed at how cool they stayed though. I know I would've been more than a little bit PISSED! Anyway Christina and AG if you're still nosing around here this is my apology to you as well. And Christina you were really FUNNY!!! in "Pecker". I've never looked at laundromats the same since LOL!.
85 - Temple Stark
No it was two faces staring at a camera. That is all. Let's not start more rumors.
I wonder if closing comments on this thread would be appropriate?
86 - Bryan McKay
If you wanted to end further discussion here, I think deleting the post would be the appropriate response. I don't think prohibiting further discussion really accomplishes anything, except silencing any sort of debate. Leave them open or delete the entire thing is my suggestion.
87 - Dave Nalle
>>An interview? That was going to be an early threat, how non of y'all would ever see the light of that glorious day (irony alert! irony alert!) But now, it seems sort of enticing and fitting. The contingency, however, would be that it has to be with the Jewess in residence, Cerulian. <<
That would certainly be ironically appropraite. Send her to the salt mines!
>>Dave we've enjoyed your input, however tell your daughter to be suspicious still of blogs as a whole. <<
She's derided my blog involvement so it seemed like an opportunity to point out that interesting things happen in the blogosphere. She's a big fan of Ms. Ricci as well.
>>The internet has entitled anyone and everyone to be a "journalist," something like all things, the right of which, I believe one should learn and earn. <<
There's a lot more to blogs than just journalism and a lot more to journalism than just news reporting. We've had extensive discussions of this on BC in the past. Several participants here have journalistic backgrounds or academic backgrounds or other special training and experience which makes them very knowledgable, but sometimes the most interesting writings come from those who just want to share their personal observations. It's a mixed bag, but there's much of value.
>>As far as the I Love Your Work blog, I had to agree to it in order to secure financing from these young bucks who threw in some dough, but ultimately I pulled the blog since it devoted the entire first entry to the smoking habits of myself and Giovanni. <<
I found some accounts of the problems and read the original entry. It was indeed very ideosyncratic, but I think it might have proven to have value if you'd let it go on beyond the relatively trivial start. The writing was at least good. Once you get exposed on the net you have to be prepared for minute examination of things you might not be entirely comfortable with, and if that's not something you like then you have to take a lot of care. On the other hand, what you did here shows a very appealing 'realness' and a willingness to be personally accessible which is admirable and which a lot of people will respond to very positively. I know you've made me a lot more interested in seeing your new film. Some big Hollywood types like Peter Jackson and Joss Whedon have used relative high levels of online accessibility to their advantage.
Dave
88 - Temple Stark
Debate? On what exactly?
89 - H.W. Saxton
What's his name from "Scrubs" (sorry, I don't like or watch much TV)has made a lot of people interested in his newest projects via blogging as well.
90 - Bryan McKay
Poor choice of words - I guess I just feel that there have been far less productive threads than this one, and that closing comments on this thread doesn't really accomplish anything. The original post was what generated the real controversy here, so I don't understand why the post can stay but no one can continue to say anything about it.
91 - Dave Nalle
Personally I think the original post should be retitled, but the rest should remain and comments should stay open.
Dave
92 - Temple Stark
>>I guess I just feel that there have been far less productive threads than this one
Sadly true, which is one big reason we haven't pulled it. Sorry for snapping. If I pull the post I'll get accused of all kinds of filth. So no, I'm going to do it.
The title has already been changed and to have any effect on people not reading it from Google, it would have to remove the name "Adam Goldberg."
93 - Dave Nalle
You mean the original title was worse? Wish I could remember it.
If nothing else, the thread here - even with the mass deletions - is interesting.
Dave
94 - Temple Stark
Sincne you feel the need to keep mentioning it, five comments were deleted. Quit being a whining baby. One of them was mine. One was yours. Three were either CR or AG. They were deleted when by all appearances we had trolls on our hands.
A question mark was added at the end of the title by Eric. That was the change. How much more pedantic do we need to be here?
95 - Eric Olsen
Adam, again, thanks for your civility and spending the time with us, but I have one quibble: I didn't just confirm that you are who you are, I said thanks for "dropping by to disabuse us of our untoward assumptions regarding this episode," ie, correcting the misinformation in the post itself. Was I too obliue with this?
96 - Eric Olsen
"oblique"
97 - Dave Nalle
Temple, other people are the ones harping on the deletions, not me. I may have mentioned that things were deleted, but did I ever once say that they shouldn't have been? You really need to try to be less touchy about this kind of thing.
Dave
98 - bhw
It was THAT kind of photo. Never mind then.
I don't know what kind of photo it was -- I never saw it. I was just commenting on your sudden celebrity fetish.
Hey, is that libelous?
99 - Cerulean
Well, you all can't throw me to the wolves fast enough to get what you hope is some celebrity contact. HW, et tu? Ouch. Temple, you were always all over the place, but you couldn't stick the knife in fast enough.
How did you confirm their identities? This is not at all satisfactorily explained. I still find many troubling inconsistencies.
How weird it is to see anti-semitic comments leveled at me while I am also charged with anti-semitism for absolutely nothing. By the same people. It's nice to know that the guy who's made his living playing Jews casts aspersions against us. (If this is Adam Goldberg) In the end that will be worse than drugs for a career. As for the original subject of my article, anyone can look at it that footage. The many spurious agruments against me would seem to be an indication of desperation.
Since you all sold your souls for some celebrity contact, I hope for your sake that it's real.
100 - gonzo marx
i never sell mine, Cerulean..
hell..i never even rent it
good Points raised on both sides
but Cerulean, i did see the "evidence" from a link that has since been removed
that being said, your Points in comment #99 definately raise some Issues...
..:::munches popcorn and waits for the fight scene:::..
Excelsior!
101 - Temple Stark
Cerulean? Cerulean? "Stick the knife in???"
I just defended your ass way beyond where it was warranted. Can you not see that throughout? Me: We are not the only ones to hold such opinions, for opinions they are and were.
Does that sound like sticking the knife in?
"Fast enough??????"
The worst thing I said was agreeing that your post wasn't very productive. And that was pretty near the end.
Cerulean? Are you at all paying attention?
102 - Temple Stark
I am loyal to a fault.
103 - swingingpuss
Temple, a typical Leo:)
104 - Cerulean
If I can be satisfied that they are real, I will soften the article up just as an accommodation, not because I have changed my belief. I'll take the drug stuff out. None but one person knows for sure what was in Adam's bloodstream that day. I've had the misfortune to see a lot of drug addiction up close, but for the .0001 percent change I could be wrong, and for the effect on a career, I'd change the article.
In case they are real, Ms. Ricci should know that I can only trace to the town/area of Southern California, not the home address.
What would satisfy me? The info asked for before. A clear picture of one or both with a sign saying blog critics on it would help too. I would have to apologize for the questioning of identities if I got that, although I could use an apology too because I've been pretty well slandered here.
Not convinced they are real, but willing to deal. Your move.
105 - gonzo marx
ding
end of round one..this is Howard Co...sell, coming to you tonight from ringside..
to this reporter, it seems the first round qwas one of feeling out the opponents...Temple makes a heartfelt plea..and Cerulean responds by being reasonable, but sticking to the guns
no cuts, or headbutts so far...a good clean round...
more after these messages from Wide World of Sports...
..:::sound of popcorn munching inserted here:::..
Excelsior!
106 - Justene
Cerulean, your statements were unacceptable regardless of whether the person discussed ever showed up here or not.
107 - a goldberg
I PROMISED MYSELF AND LOVED ONES THAT MY FINAL POST, THAT IS MY PREVIOUS POST, WOULD BE THE LAST. BUT NOW THAT THE ELUSIVE CERULIAN HAS RETRIEVED MY GOAT, I CANNOT RESTRAIN SELF FROM ONCE AGAIN TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO HER AS SIMPLY AND COGENTLY AS I CAN WHAT MY CONTENTION WAS.
I'LL NUMBER THE POINTS. PERHAPS THAT WILL MAKE IT EASIER TO FOLLOW.
1. YES, I AM ADAM GOLDBERG
2. NO, I THINK IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER YOU, CERULIAN, BEILIEVE THIS OR NOT. THE CONTENTIONS CONTAINED IN MY CYBER OUTBURST SEEM RELEVENT TO ME (AND OTHERS APPARTENTLY) NONETHELESS.
3. I HAD EVERY INTENTION OF KEEPING MY REPRESENTATIVES OUT OF THIS; WE (CR AND I) BOTH AGREED THAT OURS WOULD KILL US FOR ENGAGING IN SUCH KNEE JERK SELF-DEFENSE; BUT, NOT BECAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, BECAUSE YOUR ARE DIGGING A MORE AND MORE SLANDEROUS DITCH I WILL BE HAPPY TO GET MY REPRESENTATIVES INVOLVED THIS MONDAY MORNING.
4. I'VE MADE A LIVING PLAYING JEWS, YES; I AM HALF-JEWISH YES; PRECISELY, PRECISELY WHY I TAKE ISSUE WITH THE PHRASE "NICE JEWISH BOY!!!!!"
WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE DEMEANING AND GENERALIZING NATURE OF THIS WIDELY ACCEPTED CLICHE? WHETHER YOU ARE JEWISH ARE NOT IS NOT THE ISSUE; THIS DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO PIDGEON HOLE ME OR OTHERS OF MY CULTURAL BACKGROUND.
5. AHHHHH---THE DRUG ABUSE ALLEGATIONS. HONESTLY, SWEET CHEEKS, THESE ALLEGATIONS HAVE DONE WONDERS FOR THE CAREER OF OTHERS. IT'S REALLY LESS THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND MORE THAT THE DEFINITIVE LANGUAGE WITH WHICH YOU ASSERT SUCH "KNOWLEDGE" ABOUT MY PERSONAL LIFE IS EMBARASSING TO BOTH OF US.
AGAIN--IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT MY WORK, HAD READ OR SEEN ANY OF MY INTERVIEWS YOU WOULD KNOW HOW CONSISTENT MY "ACT" WAS WITH SUCH PREVIOUS OUTINGS. IN FACT, YOU MIGHT WANT TO TIVO MY SPECIAL ON IFC FROM A FEW YEARS BACK, "RUNNING WITH THE BULLS," A SEMI-SATRICAL AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL DOCUMENTARY (WHEREIN, INCIDENTALLY I DROP MY TROUSERS IN A DREAM SEQUENCE).
IT'S SHTICK, YOU KNOW DOLL?
(A PUBLICIST OF MINE UPON SEEING THE DINNER FOR FIVE WAS SO AMUSED SHE'S THINKING ABOUT SENDING IT OUT TO VARIOUS OUTLETS TO GARNER SOME TALK SHOW BOOKINGS, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT'S LIKE SORT OF FUNNY, IF YOU GO IN FOR THAT SORT OF THING, i.e., LIKE IF YOU HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR).
6. AS FAR AS YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO YOUR COMRADES HERE, WELL, YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER WHETHER STARF***ING IS REALLY THAT MUCH LOWLIER THAN STARBASHING.
Good night, Cerulian.
108 - Temple Stark
Great job again, Cerulean.
Gonzo - at least this time, please shut it. It's not a game.
109 - Dave Nalle
BTW, the link with the evidence is on Temple Stark's website, but the directory has now been passworded, which isn't much help.
Also, AG does have a good point. I haven't seen the IFC footage, but in other interviews he does often act extremely peculiar and certainly not the way one expects a celebrity to behave during an interview. It's largely his style of humor, which not everyone appreciates.
Dave
110 - gonzo marx
you asked nicely Temple..it's done..
as am i
i've truly enjoyed my time here, and Wish you folks nothing but the best
best of Luck to all BC
Excelsior!
111 - Temple Stark
That's a knife ...
112 - uao
Cerulean, did you happen to read my post (#65) addressed to you?
Read it again. It's for your own good.
The burden of proof lies with you, not the person you libel. Demanding ag prove to a non-entity like you that he's for real isn't just obnoxious, it's irrelevant. You made accusations based on something you saw on TV, you had no real information (you couldn't even recognize the other guests), and the raving lunacy of your replies (and all of your previous "articles"; I went back and read them) is proof enough for me that this lame-brained piece of gossip isn't worth defending.
Frankly, at this point, I hope ag does sue you. Because if you don't "get" it by now, only a real-life dose of accepting responsibility and facing consequences is likely to penetrate your thick, smug, self-obsessed skull.
And you sure haven't done Blogcritics any favors with this thread. What drugs are you on?
You've not only gotten yourself in trouble, you've tarnished all of our reputations. Thanks a bunch.
113 - DrPat
he could not explain basic plot of the movie...
Chrisina Ricci said that he actually...
sporting a large tatoo on his forearm...
There are a few things missing from your post, Cerulean: the word "the" before "basic plot"... the "t" in Christina... the third "t" in tattoo...
...and good judgement.
114 - Maynard
Hold on one second, Gonzo is leaving over this? Where am I going to get my lunchtime laugh?
See Comment 110, could someone explain that please? This is just insanity.
115 - Phillip Winn
I hope Gonzo isn't leaving. I'll email him to make sure.
116 - Eric Olsen
we want our Gonzo
117 - Dave Nalle
Damn straight. Gonzo was one of the small number of folks around here with a semi-open mind. We can't afford to lose him.
Dave
118 - Omni Temporal
Come back Gonzo. We need Excelsior!
119 - Dave Nalle
Excelsior IS great packing material, after all.
Dave
120 - Maynard
All you people with <3 for the gonzo man. I just got an e-mail response back from him, and his permission to quote.
I know him from gaming, specifically, Counter-Strike. He taught a lot of us a few years ago at a LAN center, and I have a lot of fun reading his stuff.
The e-mail was in answer to my asking why he didn't respond to some of today's posts, and what he meant in this thread.
"heyas Spazz,
good to hear from you...
hope your summer is going well, and your grades better be up ta par, or i'm gonna go to yer house and gank ya in yer own kitchen...
with that outta the way...about BC
no h8, no worries...slight Free Speech issue so i'm staying outta there
nuff said?
but you and the boyz should scope out the site...a lot of good shit there
viewpoints frmo all over the map...
decent thinkers and good arguments...do yas good to open yer heads a bit...K?
woudl that more young turks pay attention to shit like this...better fer the world
shotu me sometime , i'll break out the auto-snipah 4 a few maps in-game
Excelsior!"
There is your answer. He wouldn't get into any more detail than that and his last e-mail told me to "shaddap and leave it be n00blet".
I'm not going to argue with him. Maybe you people can. I know I am going to miss the laughs. Now I am going to just have to log in-game and get killed a bunch to hear him rant on Ventrilo.
121 - DrPat
Or you could drop by his blog to schmooze a little. You'll have to take off your 'shades, though...
122 - L. Cue aka Q.Rock639
I have to say that this is one of the most amazing threads I have read in a while, and I usually skip them...
still not done reading all of the comments, but it could be a damn script..
(in voice of Tracey Morgan's Brian Fellow's character..."Just think about it!")
~Blogcritics, The Movie!~
A love story about the ups and down in the cut throat world of blogs!
Bring the kids!
I will play myself in a cameo of course...
Peace~
123 - DrPat
Severn Darden can play me (and he won't even need makeup!), but he has to wear the bunny slippers from Real Genius.
124 - Eric Olsen
exactly L.Cue! I'm sort of waiting for the ending, though
125 - confused
The end came in comment 110