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US to “Kill or Capture” Iran’s Operatives In Iraq

I have had long conversations on BlogCritics lately with Iranians who say there is no evidence that Iran wishes to destablize Iraq. It is, they say, in Iran's best interests to have a secure and stable Iraq as a neighbor.  This logic, of course, flies in the face of every objective reality that exisits. I have come to suspect that some of the folks that propogate these "talking points" are trained operatives working on the Iranian government's behalf . . . possibly formally and officially.

In any case, the United States has instituted a new set of "rules of engagement" for the agents and military personnel they have been shuffling in and out of Iraq since the coalition invation in 2003. The new policy rejects the old "catch and release" program and replaces it with "kill or capture."

There is danger and risk in this approach, of course. The danger is that American troops might kill an Irani civilian with a legitimate reason to be in Iraq. The risk is that Iran could respond by redoubling its mischief inside of Iraq with a more agressive targeting of US troops and personnel for abduction or murder.

The capture and murder of four US soldiers in the Shiite city of Karbala on January 20 may, in fact, be related in some way or another.   "A senior Iraqi military official said the sophistication of the attack led him to believe it was the work of Iranian intelligence agents in conjunction with Iraq's Shiite Mahdi Army militia, which Iran funds, arms and trains."  Iran will not back down without a fight. It will push the level of violence and mayhem to the very limits. Indeed, it is in the interests of the most radical Irani leaders (including President Ahmadinajad) for the United States to attack inside of Iran.

Iran's role in Iraq is first and foremost to disrupt and destroy the effectiveness of any peace and security that might arise from the current democratic government; second, to stick its finger in the eye of the United States (which it is doing quite nicely… see the recent Democrat electoral victory as evidence of their success); and, three, to provoke the United States into attacking Iran directly.

I am convinced that we must not attack Iran unless provoked beyond anything our national interests can bear.  Should Iran choose to flood Iraq and Afghanistan with trained sabateurs, the entire region could crumble very quickly into total chaos… including similar scenarios in Palestine and Lebanon.  Response to this would be a difficult assualt on Tehran to cut out the heart of the Iranian revolutionary leadership within Iran itself.

I would rather see Iran stuffed into its box and shut tight than to give it an excuse to pour across international borders like a plague in full daylight.

This is one time when it would be best not to shout out, "Bring it on!"

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  • http://caribou michael logan

    the iranians will no doubt always get even for any transgression that the u.s. commits. after all, who better knows the intricasies of the territory that those who live there. this tit for tat approach is yet another example of the bullying insticts that bush-cheney possess but it always somehow seems to backfire. the iranians know that they will be much better at this game and the end result will be yet more lost american lives. this as if the israelis did not learn this the hard way in lebanon in the 80′s.

  • http://www.tbirdofparadise.blogspot.com Bird of Paradise

    What Israel has learned is that, when Israeli soldiers or civilians are murdered and they do NOT respond . . . then more Israeli soldiers and civilians are murdered.

    Israeli soldiers and cvilians will continue to be murdered as long as the state of Israel exists. The only way to stop the murder of Israeli soldiers and civilians would be for Israel as a nation to pack up, close down and move far, far away.

    This is not an acceptable solution for most of the people who live and govern in Israel. If you have a more helpful solution than that of “self-defense” (ie. “tit-for-tat”) then please let me know. Thanks.

  • http://www.tbirdofparadise.blogspot.com Bird of Paradise

    I also suppose that the best way to save the lives of American soldiers in Iraq from Iran’s agents and from the Iraqi Shia who they have trained and equipped would be for the American soldiers to leave Iraq and come home.

    Simple. Easy. Obvious.

    And exactly what Iran would like us to do.

    Would this be in Iran’s national interests? Yes.

    Would this be in America’s national intersts? No.

    Would this be in Iraq’s national intersts? No.

    Would the majority of the Iraqi people support this solution at this time? Almost but not quite.

    Would the majority of the Iraqi people prefer to be allied with the United States? or with the present leadership in Iran?

    Perhaps our US presence in Iraq is “back-firing” . . . it is certainly not going easily or well. But would things be, on the whole, better if we left? No.

    A hard situation requires hard choices. Occam’s Razor does not always apply when it comes to the “intricacies” of international conflicts.

    I do not personally have a solution for the Iraq situation. But I do know that the solution is NOT to pick up our toys and go home.

    Do you have a suggestion? If so, please share.

  • MBD.

    “I do not personally have a solution for the Iraq situation. But I do know that the solution is NOT to pick up our toys and go home.”

    Why go home?

    Dick Chaney says we’re winning.

  • SHARK

    American Public: “Where’s Osama Bin Laden?”

    Bush:” Look! Saddam Hussein! Get him!”

    American Public: “Iraq is a disaster. And you lied to us — and you continue to lie.”

    Bush: “Look! Over there! Iran! Get ‘em!”

    etc

    etc

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    Bird O’ Paradise: Please keep your eye on the swinging pocketwatch as you “update” America on your distorted version of Reality. You’re getting sleepy. …sleepy… sleepy…

    ====

    from article above:

    “A senior Iraqi military official said the sophistication of the attack led him to believe it was the work of Iranian intelligence agents in conjunction with Iraq’s Shiite Mahdi Army militia, which Iran funds, arms and trains…”

    PLEASE CHANGE TO REFLECT REALITY thus:

    “…the sophistication of the attack… was the work of Iraq’s Shiite Mahdi Army militia — which also goes by the name of “Iraqi police” , “Iraqi political and civic leaders”, and “Iraqi Military” — which AMERICA funds, arms and trains…”

    Thanks,
    The Editor

    ===

    PS: Re. Iran — Bush apparently never read “The Boy Who Cried Wolf”

  • Nancy

    He prefers goats, Sharkie.

  • Dave Nalle

    I think this is the first step towards acknowledging that we are in a war with Iran, even if it’s happening in Iraq. With 35,000 or more Iranian military ‘agents’ there, it’s pretty clear who we’re really fighting.

  • Lumpy

    Shark. Do you get paid to be a hateful little troll or is it just that u were abused as a child?

  • http://www.antequeravillarental.com Christopher Rose

    VP: In which case it’s worth reminding everybody that it was the supply of weapons of mass destruction to Saddam Hussein to use against Iran that lead to the current situation.

    The whole military cycle seems to have achieved very little after all this time. Perhaps some original thinking leading to a new approach might be called for?

  • Martin Lav

    This whole idea that we were letting Iranian insurgents go, is FUCKING RIDICULOUS.

    Another creation of the BushCo. propaganda machine. Say it often enough and it becomes real.

    First the insurgency was Al Qaeda, now it’s Iran, pretty soon we will have intelligence reports saying that we are finding North Koreans there……

    What a joke!

  • Dave Nalle

    Christopher, I agree that our long-time policy of supporting one reprehensible regime against another has backfired on us a few times. But I have no confidence that things would be any better than they are had we not tried the covert route when we did.

    What we have now actually is a change in policy from that approach, and it’s clearly not any better.

    So what you’re calling for is a third approach. Which do you like more, assassination or massive bribery?

    Dave

  • http://www.antequeravillarental.com Christopher Rose

    What would smart people do?

  • Nancy

    How about poisoning the water or dropping ebola? If it works there, we can use it on everyone we don’t like: N. Korea, Venezuela, Samoa …. oh, wait, wrong place.

  • Martin Lav

    “So what you’re calling for is a third approach. Which do you like more, assassination or massive bribery?”

    How about minding your own business?

    Isolationalism is looking pretty good to me right about now…..

  • Nancy

    I’ve always been for it, m’self. It beats world domination, IMO.

  • ProfEssays

    To my mind the capture and murder of four US soldiers in the Shiite city of Karbala on January 20 may were conducted by Iranians. Local Iraqi insurgents are not capable to organize such successful attacks.

  • SHARK

    Prof Essay: “Local Iraqi insurgents are not capable to organize such successful attacks.”

    They are if they were trained by Americans.

    Which, I predict — it will be discovered they were.

    It’s Afghanistan-1980s all over again.

    Jeesus, could the US be more stupid? Could we fuck up the Middle East more if we tried?

    feh.

    Time to end this shit: Yankees, come home.

    =====

    PS: Bush is the President Who Cried Wolf. Everything he says is suspect.

    And as far as IRAN, where’s the next “Judith Miller”? Tune in tomorrow!

  • troll

    *Local Iraqi insurgents are not capable to organize such successful attacks.*

    historical note (presented while on the verge of the worst kind of hysteria) – this kind of thinking got a lot of people killed in that other place

  • Martin Lav

    “*Local Iraqi insurgents are not capable to organize such successful attacks.*”

    Since when is disguising yourself in the enemies uniform considered brilliant military strategy?

    Jeesch…..did Hogan’s Heroe’s do that some time ago?