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Tom DeLay: Stepping Down Inadequate – Resign, Confess, & Surrender

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Tom DeLay, the most corrupt person to ever serve in American government was just indicted today for criminal conspiracy relating to the illegal redistricting campaign he masterminded in Texas –in order to disenfranchise minorities and protect Republicans. House rules require him to step down from his leadership post, but that is completely inadequate. Most of the corruption scandals overwhelming the country have Tom DeLay at their core, and they run so deep and so wide, his continuing presence in Congress will hurt the country.

Alphaliberal.comThe current indictment is only a needle in a huge haystack of corruption and crime concerning this individual. DeLay was admonished three times last year by a Republican-led House ethics committee, unprecedented in history, yet he still remained in his post.

After Republicans were embarrassed into rescinding new unilateral ethics changes meant to shield DeLay from scrutiny, they have managed to bottle up a whole host of other ethics complaints against DeLay and other prominent Republicans.

DeLay is at the center of a scandal where a lobbyist bilked Indian tribes out of millions by conspiring with DeLay and others to manipulate legislation so as to fraudulently rake in money from different tribes with competing interests. DeLay is at the center of a criminal scandal unraveling in Guam relating to manipulating legislation to help sweatshops, as the sweatshops wrote checks to indicted super-lobbyist Jack Abramoff, one of DeLay’s closest associates.

He is also at the center of a criminal scandal involving the fraudulent transfer of a shipping fleet to indicted super-lobbyist Abramoff, that resulted in the murder of the defrauded party and the arrests of mafia types who were likely hired to silence the victim of the criminal scheme.

These scandals are so serious and they run so wide and so deep, it is no longer plausible to cite a left-wing conspiracy. Nor is it plausible to cite ignorance of these schemes, where the entities involved are ones DeLay founded, owns, and controls. The current indictment is the least of DeLay’s troubles. While the people under him who trusted in his schemes face lifetimes in prison he remains silent and smirking like a coward. He should own up to the schemes of his creation and not let those he managed take the fall.

Stepping down is not good enough. All of the pork filled budgets DeLay has created to favor special interests and create a huge deficit for the American people are enough of a burden on the country. We don’t need five parallel multi-million dollar investigations into his crimes on top of it. Save the country the trouble.

Resign. Confess. Turn yourself in to authorities.

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  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    You’re right balletshooz, under GOP House rules, DeLay’s indictment forces him to step down. The one good thing the Democrats did this session was to insure hat the GOP did not push through its proposed changes in House ethics. It’s time for Speaker Hastert to step up to the plate and guide the House through this calamity. Selecting David Dreier (R-CA) to replace DeLay is a good first step. Unless DeLay resigns completely from Congress, I would hope that Mr. DeLay will be subject to the same kind of scrutiny and embarassment that Jim Trafficant was. An eye for an eye, Tommy boy.

  • Nancy

    Unfortunately, he’s not the most corrupt person ever to serve in American government; that honor has to go to occupants of the HW. DeLay is only one among many – on BOTH sides. He’s just more blatant & defiant about it. Don’t look for any resignations: DeLay is one of the Rove School of Denial & Misdirection.

  • Matt

    I hope that DeLay goes to trial the way Trafficant did…and if he is convicted, resigns and doesn’t run from his cell (the way Trafficant did), but as long as Trafficant and Bill Clinton are around, it’s hard to call anyone else even the most corrupt living person to have served in government, let alone the most corrupt ever.

  • balletshooz

    Bill Clinton

    exactly how many times was he indicted?

    by my count 0.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    To be fair, balletshooz, impeachment is pretty much equal to an indictment. It just sounds pretty. It was up to the House to present the case for removing Clinton from office. The Senate found him not guilty and that ended that.

  • Balletshooz

    yes silas, one big difference that everyone knows about though.

    impeachment was based on a republican partisan majority vote.

    indictment is based on American citizens examining a criminal case and deciding a crime was committed

    BIG DIFFERENCE

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    You’re absolutely right, balletshooz. It’s just that technically, in an ideal world, what I described was the intent of the framers of our Constitution. Unfortunately, we’re developing into a society where the judiciary seems to be the final arbiter in our political system. There’s something very dangerous in discounting the will of the voters. But, then again, there’s something very dangerous about voter apathy. Unless people exercise their right to vote, they have no reason to cry when the government usurps their privacy and human dignity.

  • http://www.hotmail.com Market Pantry

    The indictment was certainly NOT politically motivated. First, a grand jury issued the indictment. By its very nature, no one can claim that a grand jury is politically motivated. Second, while Ronnie Earle may be a democrat, the politicans who he has prosecuted have been almost 75% democrats. If anything, one can say by looking at Ronnie Earle’s record that he is motivated against democrats and for republicans.

  • http://www.zerohq.com Rich Powers

    Keep in mind that an indictment is much, much easier to get than a conviction. I wouldn’t start dancing in the street until something more solid comes from this investigation.

    But it’s a start, my friends.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    But, Rich, under House GOP rules, DeLay has no choice but to step aside from leadership positions. Granted he will still be a member of Congress in the short term. By the time this trial really gets moving, the 2006 election cycle will be here. I don’t think that DeLay will run if he is still under indictment or going through a trial. To do so would put too many Republicans in a very uncomfortable position. Former Majority Whip Tom DeLay is nothing more than a rank and file member of Congress. If you think that he will still control things behind the scenes, guess again. With this herd of elephants, it’s once you’re out, you’re O-U-T. Ask Trent Lott.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Dateline Calcutta, India:
    Bush party faces sleaze charges (The Telegraph)

    Washington, Sept. 27: President Bush returned to Washington yesterday with his Republican Party facing mounting allegations of sleaze, the latest problem for a White House scrambling to regain public trust after its poor response to Hurricane Katrina…

    This, I fear, is the tip of the iceberg for the foreign press. They have been salivating at the prospect of tearing this White House to shreds.

  • Nancy

    Well, Silas, to be honest, so have I.

  • http://musical-guru.blogspot.com Michael J. West

    Not that I’m a fan of Tom DeLay (and believe me I’m not), but from my vantage point–which happens to be downtown Washington, D.C. at the moment–Nixon still holds the crown for Most Corrupt Person Ever to Serve in the American Government.

    I don’t really know that DeLay is any competition.

  • Nancy

    I don’t think DeLay is, either. It’s just that the ‘winner/s’ has/hav/n’t been caught.

  • http://yourhumbleviewer.blogspot.com Paul J. Marasa

    Sorry to bring up a comment from a while ago, but I just got here. I was scrolling down, waiting for the Clinton Equivalency to kick in–and there it was. Matt, let’s be honest and examine the cause of impeachment. Clinton lied about Monica’s Oval Orifice. His equivocations and subterfuge most certainly had no connection to the daily business of government. DeLay, on the other hand, is dipping his particular wick into the infrastructure of election law; his indulgence is not adultery, but cronyism. And that’s what the voters should worry about.

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    Very interesting that the usual conservative voices here at BC haven’t yet checked in on this particular story…

  • Nancy

    It’s not even cronyism; it’s good old fashioned theft, abuse of power, money laundering, elections fraud, racketeering, and a whole laundry list of illegal actions finally catching up with him. I’ll bet they can make it stick; if I were the prosecutor, I wouldn’t even try unless it was so hard-&-fast it was well nigh unbreakable. Not with a greased pig like DeLay.

  • Mark

    Bill Clinton faced impeachment proceedings. He was not convicted therefore he was not impeached.
    Republicans need to realize that holding themselves up as the moral majority they do the disservice of making themselves hypocrites.

  • 1Potato

    Wrong, Mark. Bill Clinton was impeached. As Silas said, it is like an indictment. After his impeachment his case went to trial, and he was not convicted (removed).

    In any event, conservatives like me don’t want corrupt leaders. If he is guilty, throw his ass out.

    Democrats usually keep their corrupt or criminal policitians for generations (Mayor Daly, Ted Kennedy, Jesse Jackson,
    Al Sharpton, the whole Lousiana government, etc.) Both parties protect their own, but libs are much worse, I believe. Republicans routinely ostricize there own; 2 house speakers in recent memory resigned over fairly minor “clouds”, including one who made an “insensitive comment”. Also, Repulicans shut out guys like David Duke, but the left does not do that with guys like Ward Churchill, who is just as hateful and lying as David Duke.

    I for one am not in love with the “exterminator” aka the “hammer”.
    The indictment could be politically motivated, perhaps not. Remember, you can indict a “ham sandwhich” as they say. That is because at a grand jury proceeding the defendant is not present and cannot make any defense for himself.

    This does not make me want to be a liberal anymore than Sandy Berger being CONVICTED of pilfering classified documents has turned democrats into republicans.

  • http://www.outragedmoderates.org Thad Anderson

    “I have done nothing unlawful.” – Tom DeLay, 9/28/05.

    Maybe Rove can pitch in and spin this as another example of a conservative “staying the course.” After all, with DeLay, “at least you know what you’re getting,” right?

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    Yes, it will be all “partisan attacks” even if he’s convicted of the charges.

  • http://www.mytown.ca/sakin Larry A. Sakin

    A few comments here-

    First, Mr. Clinton was impeached for lying to the grand jury about his affair with Monica Lewinsky. While his perjury is not the first of its kind and certainly won’t be the last, it was felonious and undermined his credibility as president and as a human being with many Americans.

    Second, this is just opinion but probably former Louisiana Senator Huey Long, a democrat, was the most corrupt man serving the government. His use of office to serve himself and his political cronies are legendary. But the people of Louisiana loved Huey; he was a charming rogue with the common touch, much like our current imperial president.

    I also agree with Rich Powers’ post in comment #9. While an indictment is a good first step, the evidence standards for indictment are much easier to fulfill for prosecutors than the standards for trial. I doubt it will go that far. DeLay knows where a lot of bodies are buried around several Texas congressional districts and he won’t be shy about exposing them.

  • billy

    Larry you are a liar

    “While his perjury is not the first of its”

    perjury is a crime. clinton was never charged OR convicted of perjury.

    both must happen to have committed perjury.

    your lies and slander toward a great former president disgust me.

  • http://cranialcavity.net/wordpress/index.php marc

    balletshooz:

    “impeachment was based on a republican partisan majority vote.”

    And the Delay indictment is based on a DA that has openly used this investigation as a Democratic Party fundraising device, charging up Democratic rallies such as one last May that raised over $100,000, featuring Earle on the stump talking about the case and DeLay. According to the American Bar Association Canon of Ethics, Earle has violated DR7-107(A) as well as (B)(1). He also has clearly violated EC8-8, which states that lawyers who serve as public officers “should not engage in activities in which his personal or professional interests are or foreseeably may be in conflict with his official duties.”

    Eagan has a long history of chasing after Republican including the absurd case against Kay Bailey Hutchinson for battery. He was laughed out of court.

    If Delay violated the law he should be convicted and put in jail.

    It will never happen. As soon as a judge reviews this indictment it gets thrown out the courthouse door and down the steps.

  • http://www.nrlc.org/ Anthony Grande

    “perjury is a crime. clinton was never charged OR convicted of perjury.”

    He wasn’t convicted even though he said, “I did not have sexual relations with that woman!”

    Michael Jackson wasn’t convicted eventhough he is known to sleep with dozens of children.

    O.J. wasn’t convicted even though his socks were covered in the victims blood.

    So the moral of the story is that if you are a DemocRat or a minority you can get away with Perjury, Murder, and Rape.

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    That’s mental hospital quality logic.

  • http://cranialcavity.net/wordpress/index.php marc

    Market Pantry:

    “The indictment was certainly NOT politically motivated. First, a grand jury issued the indictment. By its very nature, no one can claim that a grand jury is politically motivated.”

    Your correct the grand jury is impartial and non-partisan.

    But who presents the case? A partisan hack for a DA. (See above)

  • http://www.nrlc.org/ Anthony Grande

    If I would have posted comment 27 it would have been edited.

  • http://www.mytown.ca/sakin Larry A. Sakin

    Billy-

    Please refer to House Resolution 611, December 15, 1998; line 15-25 for the perjury reference. You may find it at the following link: link

    I never wrote he was convicted. There is a difference between impeachment and conviction. As explained before, an impeachment is only a formal indictment by the House against a sitting president. The Senate acts as jury in an impeachment trial.

    Your understanding of legal procedure is interesting. One can be indicted for a crime without being convicted. Please reference any murder indictment handed down by a grand jury to a prosecutor.

    Also understand that I believe Mr. Clinton served much of his two terms well. He made many mistakes, perjuring himself being one of them. And yes, many presidents have lied under oath including the illustrious Richard Nixon and Warren G. Harding.

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com/ Eric Berlin

    Anthony, just be content with the fact that you have the freedom to publish imbecilic, racist crap.

  • http://www.nrlc.org/ Anthony Grande

    What is so “rascist” about by comments???

  • http://www.mytown.ca/sakin Larry A. Sakin

    Anthony:

    I understand your point, but your presentation makes you sound somewhat biased against democrats and minorities. You might be well advised to keep your opinions somewhat more objective.

    Yes, people can be indicted for crimes and be found not guilty by a jury. There are a number of reasons for this, the main one being that prosecutors sometimes put on ineffective cases and sometimes evidence the prosecution intended to use is denied by judges in pre-trial hearings for any number of reasons.

    Both you and Billy should note here that when one is found “not guilty” by a jury, it doesn’t necessarily mean the defendant is innocent. It just means prosecutors were unable to substantially prove their cases without a reasonable doubt.

    And Billy, Mr. Clinton admitted he had sex with Monica Lewinsky on national TV which directly contradicted his grand jury testimony.

  • http://www.nrlc.org/ Anthony Grande

    “your presentation makes you sound somewhat biased against democrats and minorities.”

    No, but I am biased against DemocRats who oppresss minorities.

    The strategy of the Democrat party is to give the poor minorities enough to make them happy and able to eat (welfare) but not to give them enough to rise out of poverty. This is because as long as they are in poverty they will need the Democratic Party and continue to vote for them.

    This is also the same strategy that Mao, Lenin, Castro and Chavez have used to gain complete control over their governments. They got support of the poor majority and got the power which led to burning the constitution and all of the people’s rights. The poor stayed poor, but the rich also became poor and the government became amazingly rich.

    Now the only thing that seperates the dems and the commies are that in commie countries the poor were the majority. Now all that we need here is a couple more million people to become poor and the democrats can take the entire Senate, Supreme Court, Presidency, Governorships and Mayorships which would eventually lead to a single party state (Communism) and eventually lead to no more elections.

    To know history is to know the future

  • http://www.mytown.ca/sakin Larry A. Sakin

    The following from your comment is what makes you appear biased:

    “So the moral of the story is that if you are a DemocRat or a minority you can get away with Perjury, Murder, and Rape.”

    The idea that minorities exclusively “get away” with the crimes you mentioned is absurd. If you take a random survey of felony convictions in the US, you’ll find that mostly poor minorities are convicted and jailed while relatively few middle to rich white people are convicted and jailed.

    I love your last sentence: “To know history is to know the future.” You obviously don’t understand either. Democrats/liberals had majorities in the House, Senate, the Executive, the Courts, Governorships, et.al on and off for nearly forty years. In that time, we saw the rise of the middle class, social security, Medicare, state Medicaid programs, and steady employment. Many of these things have either dissipated or have been threatened with the majority neo-conservatives currently running the government.

    My perception is dems/libs are mad because they’re not in power right now, and rep/cons want to remain in power. Its political machismo at work.

    BTW, is it Communism only when dems/libs are in the majority? Does not the current overweighted scale on the right resemble what the Soviet premiere’s created in the politburo and their justice system?

  • Bennett

    That’s just AG’s standard “copy and paste” response. He’s used it a dozen threads already, and no one has ever taken it seriously.

    Sad, to be unable to write anything new to address the debate at hand.

    You’re right Larry, he doesn’t understand history, or our disdain for his dogma.

  • http://www.nrlc.org/ Anthony Grande

    (laughing)

    [edited] This has not been copied and pasted a dozen times, it is just the same arguments, just like Pro Gay Marriage arguments are everywhere.

    In comment 35 you mentioned nothing of the subject at hand but you attacked me for doing the same thing.
    [edited]

    ———-

    No Larry, you see for the last forty or so years DemocRats have been in power in local povery areas (for example New Orleans) and these people continue to live in poverty.

    Seriosly, what have the DemocRats done to help the minorities or the poor???
    ———-

    “The idea that minorities exclusively “get away” with the crimes you mentioned is absurd. If you take a random survey of felony convictions in the US, you’ll find that mostly poor minorities are convicted and jailed while relatively few middle to rich white people are convicted and jailed.”

    Let me rephraise that then: The moral of the story is if you are a DemocRat or a Minority that has celebrity status you can get away with perjury, child molestation, MURDER, and in Kobe’s case RAPE!!!!

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com Eric Berlin

    So white Republican celebrities, in your view, are a persecuted minority?

  • http://www.nrlc.org/ Anthony Grande

    When was the last time you saw a white Republican EVEN getting charged of Rape, Perjury, Murder, and Child Molestation???

  • http://www.mytown.ca/sakin Larry A. Sakin

    “No Larry, you see for the last forty or so years DemocRats have been in power in local povery areas (for example New Orleans) and these people continue to live in poverty.

    Seriosly, what have the DemocRats done to help the minorities or the poor???”

    I realize that in this new age of ours, history is subject to opinion. What you see as history, I do not. And any piece of history I site will only be countered by the “new history” created by the Coulter’s and the Drudge’s of the world. So a discourse of this nature could go on and on with no end, neither of us convincing the other of anything.

    Suffice it to say, the New Deal helped put thousands of poor people back to work after the Great Depression, Civil Rights legislation opened up employment for many minorities, The Great Society programs of Medicare, Medicaid, and Operation Head Start all offered hundreds of opportunities for poor people to gain a foothold.

    Okay, now we’ll hear from the “new history” advocate. Anthony…?

  • practical joe

    Anthony —

    The technique is not new…

    If they cannot attack the message — they attack the mesenger…

    Nil illegitimati carborundum!

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    So the moral of the story is that if you are a DemocRat or a minority you can get away with Perjury, Murder, and Rape.

    I went to the zoo once. There was a sign asking that people not feed the animals. Is this the logic I should follow?

  • http://www.nrlc.org/ Anthony Grande

    “And any piece of history I site will only be countered by the “new history” created by the Coulter’s and the Drudge’s of the world.”

    Uhhh…No, it is the Liberals who are rewriting our history books to talk about the misfortunes of the Indians and how Columbus was an evil tyrant.

    ” the New Deal helped put thousands of poor people back to work after the Great Depression, The Great Society programs of Medicare, Medicaid,”

    FDR was a good leader from what I hear, but that is all over 50 years ago.

    And wasn’t the New Deal passed by the Republican majority in Congress???

    ———

    The ONLY answer to get people out of poverty is EDUCATION. Read any internet biography of Condilezza Rice, Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, Mel Martinez and I believe Arnold of California.

  • practical joe

    “If you take a random survey of felony convictions in the US, you’ll find that mostly poor minorities are convicted and jailed while relatively few middle to rich white people are convicted and jailed. “

    That’s easy to understand.

    Mostly poor minorities are convicted and jailed because they commit more crimes.

    Relatively few middle to rich white people are convicted and jailed because they commit fewer crimes.

    Why are these simple facts so hard to understand?

  • Realist

    FDR said to Harry Hopkins, “Don’t keep them on the dole for more than six months — or you’ll never get them off.”

    Lyndon Johnson didn’t accept that and kept millions on the dole for the next 30 years.

    And then Newt came along…

  • http://counter-point.blogspot.com Scott

    “And wasn’t the New Deal passed by the Republican majority in Congress???”

    uh…no…Democrats crushed the Republicans in the 1932 election

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    >>Tom DeLay, the most corrupt person to ever serve in American government was just indicted today< <

    You really do live in a bizarre, delusional fantasy world. Would you like a list of people who were more corrupt than Delay and the office they held - I'll just give you a small selection of those who make Delay look like a paragon of honesty.

    Aaron Burr, Vice President - attempted to overthrow US government twice. KILLED Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton.

    Major General James Wilkinson - paid foreign spy, attempted to overthrow US government.

    William Belknap, Secretary of War - trading post appointment bribery scandal.

    Albert Fall, Secretary of the Interior - you referenced this one in your amazon link.

    Spiro Agnew, Vice President - bribery, kickbacks, tax evasion.

    Richard Nixon, President - too many felonies to name.

    Koreagate - let's not forget the 100+ senators and congressmen who took bribes from the South Korean government during the Carter administration, many of whom got off, but were later caught in the Abscam bribery sting.

    Anyway, it goes on and on. Delay is nowhere near even the top 100 for corruption. In fact, his 'corruption' is pretty debatable.

    I live in Travis County where he was indicted, and we have grand jury and prosecutor (Ronnie Earle) who are legendary for baseless witchhunts against Republicans. I'm not saying that Delay did nothing wrong, but Earle's pattern is to get indictments from his trained grand juries and then be unable to actually get a successful conviction in front of a real jury on the actual evidence. Delay is basically getting railroaded because of how Texas was redistricted, which was legal but unpopular. The actual charges are more or less trumped up.

    Keep in mind that I despise Delay, but I despise Earle and his grandstanding and McCarthy-like tactics even more.

    If you care to get the truth on this business I suggest reading this article in the National Review.

    Dave

  • http://www.nrlc.org/ Anthony Grande

    Oh, thank you Scott. I had my information wrong I though the New Deal was later.

    But this proves that everthing Larry listed was done in the FDR era. Do you DemocRats have any good memories other than FDR???

    What have the DemocRats done to help the poor and minorities in post-FDR era???

  • http://www.mytown.ca/sakin Larry A. Sakin

    History, Anthony, history….

    The 1964 Civil Rights Act came long after the New Deal. So did the Great Society, which was ushered in by President Johnson a few years after the Civil Rights Act.

    Mr. Clinton pushed for and got welfare to work legislation.

    You’re right, Anthony. Education does make the difference.

  • Realist

    Can anyone doubt that handing out doles from the federal treasury on a wholly unprecedented scale, not to speak of the other forms of benefits dispensed, made a material contribution to the electoral success of the Democrats from 1934 through 1940?

    Obviously, millions of voters repaid their political benefactors at the polls time after time.

    Lyndon Johnson was fully aware of such benefits when he pushed for his “Great Society” in 1964.

  • http://www.mytown.ca/sakin Larry A. Sakin

    Gosh, “Realist”, ya think handing out doles of the federal treasury to large corporations and the rich doesn’t amply reward the politicians who do that?

  • Realist

    I’m not for providing doles to anyone.

  • http://dumpsterbust.blogspot.com Eric Berlin

    You bring up a very interesting point with regard to corporate welfare, Larry.

    About Earle: let’s remember that he goes after Democrats and Republicans alike. That said, I’m very fuzzy on where he’s going to get on these particular charges. I really hope it’s not a witch hunt as there are so many legitamate grounds to go after the GOP on right about now.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    They claim that Earle goes after Dems and Reps alike, because he has gone after a few Dems, but the bulk of his most outrageous prosecutions are all directed at Republicans.

    Dave

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    I think we ought to let this DeLay case takes its course. There are quite a few Republicans behind the scenes that are relieved that the indictment came down now. Tom DeLay has been a liability to the GOP for a couple of years. Right or wrong he has become the Newt Gingrich of the 00’s. Devisive leadership in Congress is a cancer on our system. If this is the only way to get DeLay to relinquish some of his power, then so be it. He should have been ridden out on a rail in the last election.

  • http://cranialcavity.net/wordpress/index.php marc

    Eric:

    “About Earle: let’s remember that he goes after Democrats and Republicans alike.”

    True, but interesting to note the damn few Repubs in office at the time Earle went after any Dems.

    And the Dems he went after was an attempt to split the party and conservative/liberal wings of the party.

    Those went political hack jobs also.

  • http://www.iamcorrect.com Lono

    Here is what is fun, and almost inevitable… it’s called ‘the gay card’. Any day now Rove or one of his operatives will accuse the prosecuting attorney of being gay.

    Oh, it’s classic Rovian strategy… goes back before he painted Anne Richards as gay… up through today where they are painting Hillary Clinton as gay.

    and if you don’t believe that, you are gay too!

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Anyone see Bill Maher say that he thought John Roberts was gay? Now that was some funny stuff.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Maher convinced me.

    Dave

  • RogerMDillion

    “it is the Liberals who are rewriting our history books to talk about the misfortunes of the Indians and how Columbus was an evil tyrant”

    That’s right. The Indians have had a grand time of it since the white man came over. I hear it was called the Trail of Tears because the Cherokees when were having so much fun as they were forced to evacute that they laughed so hard they cried. And really, what’s funnier than watching 4,000 of your kinsman drop dead?

  • Shark

    After five years of these criminal GOP assholes:

    Delay is indicted,
    Bush’s Blunder (Iraq) is a fucking disaster,
    Bush’s poll numbers are the lowest in history,
    the largest deficit in history is starting to tear apart the GOP,
    Bill Fristenstein is under investigation…

    Ah… it’s startin’ to get fun again!

  • Shark

    re: Delay replaced by Blunt —

    Have you seen this guy Blunt?

    Why is it all these Republicans look like pederast Baptist Youth Ministers?

    Jeesus, even if I had an affinity for their corporate-kissup, facist politics — PHYSICALLY, they all scare me!

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    I find it very interesting that it was David Dreier who was to take DeLay’s place and then all of a sudden Roy Blunt is slipped into place. Could it be that the ‘outting’ of David Dreier has upset Repoublican Conservatives to the point where they suffocated his chances for advancement within the ranks? Would the GOP leadership discriminate against someone because of whispers of sexual orientation? If it turns out that the GOP shied away from Dreier on this issue alone that would be enough fuel for my fire to advocate the removal of the GOP leadership from it’s loft.

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Maher convinced me.

    OK, Dave, I gotta ask. Did he really convince you? Or were you being facetious? I think he’s got a point, though. What straight man in his right mind poses for photographs with food?

    Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo – Ovid

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    Anthony Grande: This is an official warning. Stop your most recent personal attack strategy, or you will be banned from the site once again.

  • http://www.nrlc.org/ Anthony Grande

    “Mr. Clinton pushed for and got welfare to work legislation.”

    This is just not true. The Republican majority in the house pushed and got the welfare reform through against the Democratic Minorityy. Clinton had no choice to sign it, so he claimed to several angry liberals that in a couple years he would rereform it, but that never happened.

    “The 1964 Civil Rights Act came long after the New Deal. So did the Great Society, which was ushered in by President Johnson a few years after the Civil Rights Act”

    The Civil Rights Act was LONG overdo. Five terms of FDR and Truman, and a term of Kennedy failed to do it. Thank god the Democrats aren’t in power today.

    “That’s right. The Indians have had a grand time of it since the white man came over.”

    The Indians didn’t welcome us in open arms. They fired the first arrows. This was the case in settling the English colonies. Have you ever thought of what happened to the brave men at Roanoke???

    “Anthony Grande: This is an official warning. Stop your most recent personal attack strategy, or you will be banned from the site once again.”

    I really do not know what you are talking about Mr. Bhw. Can you please tell me what exactly I am doing before you ban me again???

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    Facts show that Clinton was far more instrumental in welfare to work than given credit for. On August 4, 1998 the White House issued a Fact Sheet which began:

    Today President Clinton will take new action to promote work and responsibility as he sends to Congress a report showing the welfare reform he signed into law nearly two years ago has helped millions of families make the successful transition from welfare to work. The President will announce he’s eliminating an old vestige of the welfare system so that all state have the option to provide Medicaid health coverage to working, two parent families. He will announce $60 million in new Welfare-to-Work grants for six states and Guam to help the most disadvantaged welfare recipients get and keep jobs. He will announce the latest numbers showing that the federal government is doing its fair share in the welfare to work effort, hiring 5,714 former welfare recipients since April 1997. He will send to Congress the first annual report on welfare reform showing that 1.7 million adults who were on welfare in 1996 were working in 1997 and he will urge Congress to fully fund his Welfare to Work housing vouchers proposal so that welfare recipients who need to move in order to work can do so.

    Both sides can claim the credit for welfare to work because at that point in our history, there actually was a working bipartisan government. Bill Clinton may have made a lot of personal mistakes but his governance will go down as one of the finest achievements made by a United States President in its history. Thank goodness that the facts are out there to be verified because the legend and lore created by Clinton detractors is misguided and full of inconsistencies.

  • http://www.nrlc.org/ Anthony Grande

    Silas, all I saw in that statement was a whole bunch of “I wills” and no “he dids”.

    The Republicans proposed and passed the welfare reform and Clinton had to sign it. If Republicans weren’t the majority the welfare reform wouldn’t have existed.

    “…his governance will go down as one of the finest achievements made by a United States President in its history.”

    Yeah if you call three terrorist attacks and no action a great governance. And not to mention the Waco incident.

    If Clinton would have taken action after either the first World Trade Center attack, the U.S.S. Cole or the Embassy bombing in Africa, September 11th would have never happened.

    Clinton also vetoed a couple of bills that would have banned PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION!!!

    What a GREAT PRESIDENT!!!

  • http://counter-point.blogspot.com Scott

    “Thank god the Democrats aren’t in power today”

    Yeah, the government might actually work then…

  • Bennett

    “The Indians didn’t welcome us in open arms. They fired the first arrows.”

    This statement is so ignorant that it takes my breath away. European “settlers” arrived and launched the first intentional campaign of biological warfare, killing hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of Native Americans by intentionally exposing them to smallpox.

    Read a bit of the history here.

    To say that “the Native Americans fired the first arrows” shows your complete lack of knowledge of American History.

    I thought you said you only commented about things you know about?

    [edited]

  • http://www.nrlc.org/ Anthony Grande

    Bennett your reference to the smallpox incident shows you have NO knowledge of American History, only liberal rhetoric.

    The smallpox incident took place a hundred years after the Indians attacked the first couple rounds of English settlers.

    And the smallpox incident was actually provoked by the Indians. The Indians became angry when the British defeated their French ally in the 7 Years War (commonly known as The French and Indian War) so Pontiac united several Indian tribes and massacred over 2,000 innocent back country colonists in Marryland, Virginia and Pennsylvania and sacked 3 British forts.

    Several of the 2,000 that were killed were women who were raped, leaders who got scalped and torchered by the “long burn” (do you even know what the long burn is?) and children.

    In retaliation to this the British orderd blankets of smallpox to be distributed to the Indians. I highly doubt over anything close to 20,000 Indians died as a result.

    Thanks to that that was the last of many Indian attacks.

    I agree it was barbaric and in-human but it was called for.

  • willcodfish

    It’s funny – innocent until proven guilty just flies out the window in any of the latest shitstorms – but, if it was any of you personally – you’d be screaming at the top of the hills for your rights and about our once revolutionary legal principle.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    Anthony — the comment I edited out in #36 is the trouble spot. Just drop that line, okay? I assume you remember what you wrote.

    BTW, it’s Ms. BHW. 😎

  • Bennett

    What a joke. Now you’re posting under two names? AG, also known as willcodfish…

    The French and Indian War was when?

    Before 1617?

    No, it was 1754-1763.

    So, almost 150 years AFTER smallpox wiped out most of the east coast Native Americans, what you describe happens.

    And that relates HOW?

    Go back to 10th grade Anthony, you have homework due.

  • http://www.nrlc.org/ Anthony Grande

    “So, almost 150 years AFTER smallpox wiped out most of the east coast Native Americans, what you describe happens.”

    No, this shows that you are confused of your facts. We are talking about two completely different things. You are talking about how the Europeans unitentionally killed off the non immune Indians. I was talking about when the English perpously spread smallpox to the Indians through blankets after an Indian attack that killed 2,000 innocent American/British settlers. That is something that you are obviously not familiar with.

    So how does accidentally spreading diseases that to Indians make white settlers tyrants???

    They were heroes not tyrants. If you want to attack an important historical figure attack Thomas “hypocritic slave owner” Jefferson, the founder of the DemocRatic Party.

    And don’t go and say that Jefferson wasn’t the founder of the dems, because he was. He founded the Democratic-Republicans who fifty years later changed their names to DemocRats. And yes he preached “Equality for ALL man” but he still owned 200 slaves.

    So attack him, not heroes who risked their lives and credibility to sail across an Ocean that many at the time believed was a death trap.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    >>In retaliation to this the British orderd blankets of smallpox to be distributed to the Indians. I highly doubt over anything close to 20,000 Indians died as a result.<<

    This is actually not true. Lord Jeffrey Amherst requested the smallpox infected blankets from Ireland and the British ministry refused to comply with his germ warfare plan. The blankets were then bought by private citizens in the colonies who arranged to have them distributed to the Indians themselves.

    Dave

  • http://www.nrlc.org/ Anthony Grande

    Yeah, because the colonists wanted to protect themeselves from the scalping mad men who were invading their homes and raping their wives.

    I am reading The American Pageant, 11th edition and it actually states it was the British who sent the blankets to the Indians.

    Do you know how many Indians actually died from this???

  • RogerMDillion

    “Would the GOP leadership discriminate against someone because of whispers of sexual orientation?” your joking, right?

    “I am reading” I can’t get past that part of the comment without laughing. Please don’t ban him. He’s as funny as genocide.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    >>Yeah, because the colonists wanted to protect themeselves from the scalping mad men who were invading their homes and raping their wives.< <

    What, the French?

    >>I am reading The American Pageant, 11th edition and it actually states it was the British who sent the blankets to the Indians.< <

    That's a wretched textbook, designed to teach both high school and college at the same time and not much good for either. But to clairfy, British people did provide the blankets, just not with official government approval despite Amhersts efforts.

    >>Do you know how many Indians actually died from this???<<

    From smallpox overall, probably close to a million. From this particular incident probably not all that many.

    Dave

  • http://biggesttent.blogspot.com/ Silas Kain

    “Would the GOP leadership discriminate against someone because of whispers of sexual orientation?” your joking, right?

    Yes, Roger, I am joking. The GOP leadership cowers in fear when there is even a slight hint that someone in their ranks is one of those homersexshuls. Irony is that many conservative figures in Washington have hopped on my side of the fence more than once. It’s just Barney Frank and a few others have taken the moral high ground and kept their mouths shut because they walk the walk. One of these days, however, a blithering, blabbering fundaservative will step over the line and the damn will break. There’ll be more Jimmy Swaggert replays across Washington than airings of It’s a Wonderful Life at Christmastime.

  • http://www.nrlc.org/ Anthony Grande

    “>>Yeah, because the colonists wanted to protect themeselves from the scalping mad men who were invading their homes and raping their wives.<<

    What, the French?”

    No, Dave the French were gone. The smallpox blanket incident was an aswer to Pontiac and his warriors who were comming on the Pennsylvannian, Maryland, Virginia frontiers and scalping colonists, raping women colonists, and capturing Red Coat units and making the soldiers watch as their sergeant burned during the “long burn”.