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According to my RNC sources, never before has a seated member of the RNC actually done more than threaten to challenge an elected GOP official. That is, never before, until Buddy Witherspoon, a RNC National Committeeman from South Carolina came along. In the next few days Witherspoon will announce that he is actually going ahead with his threat to challenge first term South Carolina Republican Senator Lindsey Graham in a primary next summer.  My RNC source tells me over the years there have been several RNC Committeemen who have threatened a run, but they were always talked out of it in order to preserve party unity. Unfortunately, Buddy Witherspoon is more interested in pursuing a personal agenda focused   on his extreme views on immigration reform than he is in maintaining party loyalty.

Dr. Buddy Witherspoon, a dentist from Columbia, South Carolina is married, has one daughter and three grandchildren. He has been involved in the SC-GOP since 1996. Witherspoon claims to be a “Devout” Christian having been involved with the Westside Assembly of God and a lay leader at the Salem Methodist Church. He has been active against legalized gambling and is a friend of the library. These are the activities listed on Witherspoon’s web site.

Unfortunately, he forgot to mention an alleged previous involvement with the KKK  and his membership in the ultra right wing Council of Conservative Citizens. Over the years he has resisted all calls and demands from the SC GOP establishment to resign from the CofCC, which has strong ties to the white supremacist organization, Stormfront. According to an article in the New York Times, “…“…A member of the Republican National Committee told state Republicans that he was severing his bond with the Council of Conservative Citizens. This official, Buddy Witherspoon, told the state party's executive committee on Saturday he would no longer be part of the conservative group. Mr. Witherspoon said: ''I am a Christian. I am a conservative. But one thing I am not is a racist.'' In January, Mr. Witherspoon refused a request by Jim Nicholson, chairman of the Republican National Committee, that he renounce his ties with the group.”

Unfortunately Witherspoon’s white supremacist ties do not end with the CofCC, which has been actively involved in efforts to separate Lindsey Graham from his Senate Seat. Witherspoon’s alleged KKK ties would, if he were elected, make him “the farthest right member of the South Carolina delegation and possibly the entire US Senate.”  Over the years Witherspoon has been an honored speaker at various CofCC events.

The white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens calls him an “excellent conservative” and is championing his Senate primary bid against Lindsey Graham, whom they consider far to liberal, primarily because of his more moderate position on immigration. They have gone so far as to celebrate and champion, along with the supporters of GOP Presidential candidate Ron Paul, a censure of Graham in Greenville County, one of the most staunchly Republican counties in all of South Carolina. The Anti Defense League has noted that on April 29, 2007, the racist CofCC demonstrated in front of Senator Lindsey Graham’s Greenville, SC office. The racist Council of Conservative Citizens considers Lindsey Graham the “Worst Senator in the US.”

Witherspoon has additional white supremacist ties. Marcus Epstein is founder of the Robert A. Taft Club, denounced by the SPLC as an extremist organization.  Epstein hosted Witherspoon’s first fundraiser. He is a regular contributor to the racist VDARE, owned by Peter Brimelow who has National Socialist ties.  He also contributes to the racist publication American Renaissance, which is edited by Jared Taylor, another noted extremist with National Socialist ties. Epstein has also appeared on The Political Cesspool, a white supremacist radio program hosted by James Edwards. The Political Cesspool, like the other organizations, also proudly admits to hosting a plethora of KKK, white supremacists and Neo-Nazi “personalities.”

Early supporters of Buddy Witherspoon also include former GOP President hopeful and alleged white supremacist Pat Buchanan and lame duck Colorado Congressman and current Presidential hopeful Tom Tancredo.

Several months ago, Senator Lindsey Graham earned the ire of many of the more extreme anti-immigration organizations and supporters including the powerful and prestigious US Immigration Reform PAC run by Mary Lou Tanton, wife of noted anti-immigration “puppeteer” John Tanton. “…U.S. Immigration Reform Political Action Committee (USIRP), which helped defeat Sen. Spencer Abraham, R-Mich., in the 2000 general election over his pro-illegal alien voting record, announced today it will target senators for defeat again in 2008. "The top senator we want to defeat is Lindsey Graham R-SC…" says USIRP communications director Phil Kent…. Kent said the group will also "assess the yes votes of all senators regardless of party, and will target incumbents in either their primary or general election campaigns, whichever is appropriate…”

Other John Tanton backed organizations, such as Numbers USA’s South Carolina version, NumbersSC had regularly posted extremist anti-immigration allegations against Lindsey Graham.  They are joined by other extremists such at the Teshua Press and Americans Have Had Enough, which features a link page to more anti-Graham sites.

There is one absolutely fascinating aspect in all of the efforts to separate Lindsey Graham from his Senate seat. Most if not all proponents of the movement are avid supporters of GOP Presidential hopeful Ron Paul. There is an undisguised close association with the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens. There is also a very close association with organizations tied to anti-immigration godfather, John Tanton. There is one other absolutely fascinating aspect to all of this. If you do a little investigating, Americans Have Had Enough is based out of South Carolina, but one of the leaders is a Coloradoan named Jacque Ponder. Ponder works directly with Congressman Tom Tancredo.

It is quite obvious Senator Lindsey Graham has angered more than a few of the more extreme anti-immigration supporters in the nation. They have converged on him in what they hope is the perfect storm of revenge, basically running rough-shod over Graham’s South Carolina constituents. The message is short, simple, and to the point. If you cross us we are going to do our level best to remove you from office. In November of 2006 they tried the same tactic with GOP Congressman Chris Cannon in Utah. They lost. Cannon won.

Currently Lindsey Graham has around $4 million in his war chest. Another South Carolinian, “Christian Conservative” Tim Carnes, and one additional individual have announced their primary intentions. Buddy Witherspoon isn’t alone in his desire to unseat Senator Graham on a single issue. But, he is alone in the fact that this is the first time in the history of the Republican National Committee that one of their own is daring to break his vow of loyalty to the Republican Party and challenge a seated Republican elected official.

Conservatives like Dr. Witherspoon claim they are wearing the mantle of Ronald Reagan. Unfortunately they have completely forgotten Ronald Reagan’s 11th Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Speak Ill of Your Fellow Republican.

UPDATE

While several of Marcus Epstein's commentaries have appeared in American Renaissance as 'reprints' and at least one press release have appeared in the publication, Mr. Epstein has never been 'TECHNICALLY" directly involved with American Renaissance as a writer.  It should be noted that other publications have mentioned that Mr. Epstein is a writer for American Renaissance and have never retracted that information.  SJ Reidhead would also like to note that while Mr. Epstein does not appear to directly write for American Renaissance, it appears that he has never protested the fact that several of his columns have been reprinted from either Vdare or Lew Rockwell. It also appears as though he actively sought the participation of American Readers for at least one Robert A. Taft Club program.

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  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    If what you suggest about Witherspoon is true – and I checked up on most of it and was very troubled – we ought to demand more than just that he leave the CofCC. He ought to be kicked out of the national and SC RNC organizations. The GOP needs to purge these former dixiecrat scumbags and Witherspoon sounds like a good place to start.

    Reminds me why I’m willing to overlook some of Giuliani’s faults, because he might be the one candidate who could force these evil little gnomes out of the party and force them to start a party of their own.

    Dave

  • Sam

    Guilani IS a knome….His law firm represented Hugo Chavez, He’s pro gun control and abortion, he knows NOTHING about Forign Affairs, his platform is ENTIRELY based on 9/11, And everybody who was there that day says his mangement was HORRIBLE and got lots of people killed, and this idiot DARES to call himself a hero and then run for PResident!

  • G. Chell

    This is why I say that Barrack “on crack” Obama is the most deluded individual in America for thinking this country will elect a black President and his wife has the gall to say that blacks have self hate for not supporting her husband. Many whites might think that the blacks are stupid. Perhaps the polls show they are not at least not today. There is plenty of latent racism in this country.

  • http://stlcofcc.wordpress.com St. Louis CofCC Blogmeister

    Before Miss Reidhead and Mr. Nalle above get too excited, Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) was on a St. Louis local TV chat show this morning. The host asked her how HRC could possibly win Missouri by getting the social conservative votes in southern Missouri. She turned the question back on the host by reminding us that on social issues, Giuliani and HRC are “kissing cousins.”

    Bob Patterson’s Second Axiom states that if one of the two major political parties doesn’t campaign on racial issues (and when he said this, the “religious right” didn’t exist, but the axiom might as well include them too), then the election will be decided on economic issues, and voters voting their pocketbooks tend toward the Democrats. HRC wins if RG gets the Republican nomination.

    If RG and Flimsy Grahamnesty both win their respective Republican nominations, then the party will have lost its soul totally. That said, it will never come within a million miles of any serious political power ever again, and it won’t deserve to. Talk radio hosts who poodle along with RG/Flimsy, even as used to denounce them, call the latter “the Vice-President of the Media,” will have lost all credibility.

    And, by the way, S.J., just for full disclosure, I’m not on the Ron Paul bandwagon. The next best way to guarantee an HRC presidency is to nominate Ron Paul, for one reason, and one reason only — it’d take Clinton, Inc. all of five seconds to dig up a quote he made about getting rid of Social Security in the 1980s, from that, she would win all 50 states.

    Romney? Flip flopper. “Fred!”? globalist. Tancredo? NAACP panderer. Huckabee? More liberal on race than Bill Clinton, and the head of the *liberal* faction of the Southern Baptist Convention.

    The answer is Duncan Hunter. Notwithstanding the fact that he can be taken credibly as a President, and actually win (no real Social Security ghosts), just analyzing all the candidates based on the (false) assumption they can all win, he comes closest to the gestalt of consummate populism and nationalism

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Wow. Looks like somebody fell asleep in 1968 and has only just woken up…

  • http://www.gobacktoohio.com/ Captain Ahab

    Yaaaar, thar she blows! Moby!

    Let’s see now, we have the charge of “racist” (coming from a “blue-blood” no less); the next unfounded slurs a liberal (even a Moby) must use are “misogynist”, “homophobe”, and when the going gets tough, “fascist”.

    Lindsey loves illegal immigrants, because he knows that the Democrats (Hillary in particular) are going to make them a new voting bloc, and he wants in on it.

    He ignores the will of his legal constituency (both immigrant and natural born citizens) in an attempt to stay in power, and shows his contempt for the poor already living in South Carolina by destroying their chances of obtaining manufacturing jobs. It’s a twofer for Graham – get the votes of the illegal immigrants when they’re finally able to vote, and get the votes of all the unemployed citizens who by that time are dependent on the state.

    The idea of Graham not getting the nomination is so scary to you leftists that even when you’re as far away as Arizona, you’re now wringing your hands over what goes on in our little podunk, flyover state.

    Tell you what, Moby. You let us handle our part of the country, and you keep ruining yours.

    — Cap’n Ahab

  • http://thepinkflamingo.blogharbor.com/blog SJ Reidhead

    Dave;

    Unfortunately every word of it is true. I forgot to post links to the two articles I’ve been doing on the subject, that has more information. You are going to be spammed by our CofCC friends who are going to attempt to change the subject, but they can’t hide from the truth.

    SJ Reidhead

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Aha.

    I’m wondering here if ‘white supremacist’ is one of those ‘bot alert’ phrases – like ‘gun control’ and ‘Ron Paul’ – which brings the internet soapboxers flocking to an article like seagulls to a bag of French fries.

    It’s starting to look that way. But we shall see…

  • troll

    …I think it helps the bots if you use bold caps like this: WHITE SPERMATICYST

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    LOL… Nice one, troll.

  • ivan

    Wow, that’s new: white supremnacists don’t like immigrants. The whole immigration debate is a reminder as to the fact that Americans are racists and are fighing tooth and nail the changing demographics in the country. Thank God it is a losing battle. Republicans will pay for their racism as early as next November!

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    This article is nothing more than a political hit-piece. I lost count of how many times you used the word “racist” or “extremist” to denounce an individual, organization, or website. (I eagerly await your equally-vehement denunciation of former KKK member Robert Byrd, Democrat Senator from West Virginia.)

    Oh, and the ADL isn’t known as the “Anti Defense League” … FYI.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    RJ. I noticed how many times the author used those terms while I was editing it. And I had some concern about the inflammatory nature of some of the language. But you know what, I went and checked out every one of those links and the organizations mentioned. SJ is dead on. All of the groups mentioned are extremist, racist and pure evil.

    Seriously, don’t make the mistake of thinking that these folks are ‘conservative’ in the way that you are. They ARE what the left accuses all Republicans of being, and defending them is the wrong way to deal with them.

    They do manage a pretty good job of disguising what they are by clothing it in terms of pseudoscience and fallacious logic, but down beneath, they’re just racists pure and simple. They are not against immigration because they want to keep our borders secure, but because they want to keep us racially pure. That’s a huge difference, and if you ally with them just because you agree on one issue, you’re damned along with them.

    Make no mistake, these folks are the resurgent remnants of the Robert Byrd part of the Democratic party masquerading as Republicans, so if you dislike Byrd and his politics you should like these folks even less because they are the same people discrediting the GOP the way he discredits the Democrats.

    Dave

  • http://stlcofcc.wordpress.com St. Louis CofCC Blogmeister

    Dave Nalle wrote:

    Seriously, don’t make the mistake of thinking that these folks are ‘conservative’ in the way that you are. They ARE what the left accuses all Republicans of being, and defending them is the wrong way to deal with them.

    How is what Miss Reidhead wrote any different from the typical left-wing paranoia-industrial complex drivel that you supposedly denounce? How are your neuroideological reflexes on race (and Miss Reidhead’s) any different than a left-winger?

    Seriously, to read both your prose and Miss Reidhead’s prose is to think that it’s something that came out of the SPLC, ADL, or the People’s Weekly World.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    I can’t speak for SJ, but I’ll give you my answer, and it’s simple.

    Regardless of whether there are differences between races, I don’t believe that people should be treated differently on the basis of race. I believe in equal opportunity and equal legal protection.

    Unlike a typical leftist I don’t believe in special privileges based on race or gender or sexual preference or other special group membership, and that’s a vital difference.

    And if you think anything I believe would fit in the Peoples Weekly World you’re too nutty to even talk to.

    Dave

  • Clavos

    Hoo boy!!

    So now being against racism makes you a “left-winger??

    It’s to die of laughter to think of Dave Nalle as a left-winger.

    I love how white supremacists ignore virtually all of history and mankind’s accomplishments therein when they insist that whites (small w) are superior to other races.

    Oh, and BTW: “neuroideological” is a neologism, there is no such word. It’s not even a good neologism, it doesn’t make sense; nerves (and nervous systems) don’t have ideologies.

  • St. Louis CofCC Blogmeister

    Dave Nalle wrote:

    Regardless of whether there are differences between races, I don’t believe that people should be treated differently on the basis of race. I believe in equal opportunity and equal legal protection.

    If you believe in the latter things, then you almost have to believe that the races are fundamentally equal, or at least have an egalitarian verve. That said, “equality of opportunity,” when it inevitably does not lead to equality of results, will be interpreted by egalitarians that the “opportunity” was truly not “equal.”

    Unlike a typical leftist I don’t believe in special privileges based on race or gender or sexual preference or other special group membership, and that’s a vital difference.

    Maybe not, but your crusade against “racism” means that they will exist. Have all the Republicans elected since 1980 done anything to reverse those “special privileges” you say you oppose? Rep. Charles Canady (R-FL) tried to push through anti-affirmative action bills through the Republican-run House in the mid-1990s, after the 1994 elections, but Gingrich et al. would have none of it. Canady quit in disgust.

    And if you think anything I believe would fit in the Peoples Weekly World you’re too nutty to even talk to.

    You don’t believe it, but it certainly has the same ring in some crucial venues.

    Clavos wrote:

    I love how white supremacists ignore virtually all of history and mankind’s accomplishments therein when they insist that whites (small w) are superior to other races.

    So, I guess every piece of useful technology was invented in Africa. Keep a watch out for those spaceships, Clavos…


    Oh, and BTW: “neuroideological” is a neologism, there is no such word.

    Sam Francis used it.

  • Franco

    #13 — Dave Nalle

    I too have reviewed it as you have and I concur with your statements. To me, I do not see race as infulanceing my position. I would not want to support a candidate who uses race as a means to gain support, or uses race just to get votes and do not give a hoot about immigrants behind closed doors. Reading between all those lines is the voters need to do homework.

    Buddy gets his ass handed to him in this opiniion piece. But I wanted to know more about Sen. Lindsey Graham and to see if all the fuss has any merit but is being over looked and or over shadowed by the noise in this opinion piece.

    In the following article Graham is credited with holding a strong positive position on increasing boarder controls.

    Graham says border-security measure yanked from defense bill

    However this is only one of many issues of debate on immigration and the Americans for Better Immigration provides House and Senate report cards on Immigration issues. Sen Lindsey Graham doses not score well on most of the several immigration categories. But for his stand on stronger boarder controls he reseves a “B” on his report card. He also receives more then one (1) “F” on the other issues.

    Immigration-Reduction Report Card – Sen. Lindsey Graham

  • St. Louis CofCC Blogmeister

    Franco wrote:

    To me, I do not see race as infulanceing my position. I would not want to support a candidate who uses race as a means to gain support, or uses race just to get votes and do not give a hoot about immigrants behind closed doors.

    Provided your “position” is for real border security, then what does influence your position? Why do you oppose open borders?

  • Clavos

    “So, I guess every piece of useful technology was invented in Africa.”

    Is that what I said? It wasn’t, was it?

    An asinine comment if ever there was one.

    Just to remind you, the math used in science and technology was invented by Arabs.

    “Oh, and BTW: “neuroideological” is a neologism, there is no such word.

    Sam Francis used it.”

    It’s still a meaningless neologism.

  • St. Louis CofCC Blogmeister

    Clavos wrote:


    An asinine comment if ever there was one.

    Exactly. See a mirror.

    Just to remind you, the math used in science and technology was invented by Arabs.

    And some in India, too. But why aren’t both the Arab world and the Indian subcontinent the world’s superpowers for it? Arabs did make a significant contribution to pushing forward the frontiers of knowledge for a few centuries, but where is it now? Something happened to the Arab-Muslim world (and to India) in the relatively distant past that diminished their relative importance on the world geopolitical scale, but what was it? I have a theory, and I’ll give you a hint: See the end of the New Kingdom in Ancient Egypt, and also see modern-day Portugal.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Something happened to the Arab-Muslim world (and to India) in the relatively distant past that diminished their relative importance on the world geopolitical scale, but what was it?

    A series of historical accidents.

    See the end of the New Kingdom in Ancient Egypt, and also see modern-day Portugal.

    What on earth has the New Kingdom – which ended over 1500 years before the birth of Muhammad and had only very loose trade ties with India – and modern Portugal – which hasn’t done anything particularly offensive to anyone that I know of – got to do with it?

    I have a feeling we’re about to be treated to some sort of alternate-universe version of history, not necessarily involving spaceships or large black monoliths. This should be good…

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    So, I guess every piece of useful technology was invented in Africa.

    Quite a few were, though:

    – stone tools
    – fire
    – tents
    – cutting implements
    – fishing
    – spears
    – bows and arrows
    – counting
    – bridges
    – carpentry
    – sailing

  • Franco

    #19 —St. Louis CofCC Blogmeister

    Provided your “position” is for real border security, then what does influence your position? Why do you oppose open borders?

    My position is for real border security. We have immigration laws on the books that are not being enforced. These laws are the written and approved guidelines for legal and illegal entry into the United States. We have designated ports and points of entry into the United States where Customs oversees and conducts the enforcement of these laws.

    We not only deed to enforce current law, we now need to intensify securing the “open borders” areas to account for both continued illegal entry into the US and from terrorists infiltration.

    Federal immigration law determines whether a person is an alien, and associated legal rights, duties, and obligations of aliens in the United States. It also provides means by which certain aliens can become naturalized citizens with full rights of citizenship. Immigration law serves as a gatekeeper for the nation’s border: it determines who may enter, how long they may stay and when they must leave.

    The law purposes, an “alien” is any person who is not a citizen or a national of the United States. There are different categories of aliens: resident and nonresident, immigrant and nonimmigrant, documented and undocumented (“illegal”).

    Areas of concern to me are.

    Tax and Liability Issues

    If you’re here on vacation, have a good time. Can your afford medlical attention through our home counrties medical programs you are inlisted with should the need arise? If not, then an extra entry fee should be applied to cover your stay for medical treatment.

    If you’re here to work and make a dollar in the US you need to pay some taxes and or split those taxes with your home country.

    If you’re here to work and you expect medical attention while exercising a work visas in the US, then you need to pay a tax fee for that service.

    Customs Control and Enforcement

    Anti-Smuggling

    Fraudulent documents and false statements or committing other immigration violations

    Terrorism

    Do I really need to list these details?

    In plan nuts and bolts:

    If you are a foreign national wanting to (1) visit, (2) work, or (3) live in the United States, then for each of these measures there are laws that you are required to follow. If you don’t want to follow them by choice then get the fuck out.

    Congress has total and complete authority over immigration. They made the laws on immigration and if they are not willing to enforce them, they too should get the fuck out.

    What is happing is there is not respect for law.

  • St. Louis CofCC Blogmeister

    Dr. Dreadful:

    1. No alternate-universe theories necessary. The answer is racial misecengation with blacks.

    2. Do you have or want a lifestyle that relies on just those things? Last I looked, the marginal increase in the human standard of living since those things were invented come from later inventions.

    Franco:

    Your manifesto is fine as far as it goes, but I was sorta leading you on with my question, and you somewhat came along with me. Your opposition to open borders doesn’t seem to be much more than technocratic concern with the law. That said, amnesty for illegal aliens would make all the illegal aliens here legal with one stroke of an ink pen, problem solved. If “the law” is all you’re concerned about, you should then support amnesty.

    As for some of the other things you said, it sounds to me like a couple of other people that have posted here would accuse you of “xenophobia” if you equated illegal immigration with terrorism.

    But backing up to something you said in #18, re Flimsy Grahamnesty and his supposed B-grade on “border security” — many amnestyaires can say with a straight face that they’re for “border security.” (Ted Kennedy has.) Even if they took it to the extreme, and drafted every able-bodied young adult in the country for the Border Patrol, and actually used them at both extensive land borders, LG’s desire for soft or hard amnesty would make such “border security” moot. After all, if this “border security” is supposed to deter illegal aliens from entering, yet by fiat Congress would essentially declare that every human being on earth is a “legal” immigrant into the USA, then what is this “border security” supposed to do or deter?

    And, in reality, the open borders lobby is neutering the border security we have now. See: Ramos and Compean, gradually giving ICE agents duties not relating to apprehending illegal aliens, ICE telling police departments in St. Louis that they’re not interested in illegal alien busts unless they bust 50 or more, etc.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    1. No alternate-universe theories necessary. The answer is racial misecengation with blacks.

    Since you can’t even spell ‘miscegenation’ properly, perhaps some black genes in your ancestry would have made you MORE intelligent.

    I think that this discussion, particularly the contributions from Blogmeister stand in brilliant testimony to exactly what SJ was talking about in the article. If anyone doubted her or thought this was just paranoia when they read the article, the responses show how absolutely correct the article is.

    Dave

  • St. Louis CofCC Blogmeister

    Dave:

    Get back to me when, after all your years are behind you, you can look back and said that you never misspelled a word. Otherwise, thanks for the “brilliant” compliment — I’ll take it as a compliment.

    And no, I don’t think Miss Reidhead is “paranoid,” as such, but I do think she’s engaging in a paranoid interpretation of facts in order to draw (what turns out to be) frivolous conclusions. (In a similar way that that certain fund-raising outfit in Montgomery, Ala. does, only their motivation is to hustle money from rich, paranoid left-wingers). For instance, she seems to think that Ron Paul is hiding under every right-wing rock manipulating all these right-wing conspiracies, when the truth of the matter is that he’s not able to conspiracy me personally (I’m for Hunter), and when it comes to race and racialism, he is anything but, in fact historically he is a weak on immigration. Why all these right-wingers I know (and some I don’t know and don’t really care to know) are falling all over him as if he were JC reincarnate is beyond me; the best theory I can come up with is that they think that Paul’s paleo-libertarianism, if seriously enacted, would disparately benefit the WN cause, though all of that is in theory, because for reasons I submitted above in this thread, my turtle will become President before Ron Paul. Being as politics are arts of the possible, I’m for Duncan Hunter because he has the best combination of ideology and electability, though it seems as if the only two people who agree with the latter anymore that are not named Hunter are me and the person who has the Town Crier Blog.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “All of the groups mentioned are extremist, racist and pure evil.”

    Pat Buchanan and Tom Tancredo are “pure evil” ???

    VDARE and Numbers USA are “pure evil” ???

    C’mon, Dave. You’re better than that. Denouncing groups and/or organizations you disagree with politically as “racist” or “evil” is right out of the moonbat debating handbook.

    (BTW, Congressman Ellison (D-MN) has ties to the extremist and racist groups CAIR and the Nation of Islam. I eagerly await SJ’s denunciation of him … Oh, wait! That’s not going to happen, is it? Because Congressman Ellison isn’t a vocal opponent of amnesty for millions of illegal aliens. Which is what this hit-piece was all about: sliming opponents of illegal immigration as “racists” and “extremists” … )

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    No alternate-universe theories necessary

    Really?

    In this universe, Islamic expansion was halted by two key military defeats, at Tours in 732 and at Vienna in 1683.

    The New Kingdom fell because of protracted internecine squabbling in the ruling family – arising, possibly, from a series of poor harvests caused by fallout from a volcanic eruption in Iceland.

    And why on Earth you plucked Portugal, a stable, perfectly inoffensive little country on the margins of Europe, out of the air is anyone’s guess.

  • Franco

    #25 — St. Louis CofCC Blogmeister

    Your opposition to open borders doesn’t seem to be much more than technocratic concern with the law. That said, amnesty for illegal aliens would make all the illegal aliens here legal with one stroke of an ink pen, problem solved. If “the law” is all you’re concerned about, you should then support amnesty.

    You can call my concern for the law anything that makes you happy. But the Law is the Law and no one is above it.

    Now, amnesty for illegal aliens are another issue that only exists as a problem today because of failure to enforce the law in the first place. A sort of “cover all” or “catch up” solution for not enforceing the Law for decades. This presents many other issues that would not have otherwise been there.

    The only way alien living and working in the United States today sould be to go through the steps the law allows and become documented.

    Since these aliens are already here that only makes it easier to find them and get them documented. Those choosing to skip out on this process and are eventually picked up, they’re out of here. Those choosing to go through the process of documentation should be afforded all the protection of the law. Many would qualify and many would not. This sends the message to the yet wanta be illegal aliens not yet in the United States that they too will face the law upon entry or get sent out of here. The pain this may cause some who do not quality is not the issue. The Law is the issue and breaking it has painful consequences.

    Once the law is enforced and doing its job, if reason and common sense shows that the law needs minor modifications to address issues that arises, the Congress can ask the American people about what we think of making those modifications.

    The open borders lobby has no respect for the laws of the Untied States. They are enemies of the United States. Common sense is more valuables then their half-baked socialist experimental theories. They are far out in left field never never land and I will contest them any time and any place where they enter the arena of ideas for discussion/debate.

    As for some of the other things you said, it sounds to me like a couple of other people that have posted here would accuse you of “xenophobia” if you equated illegal immigration with terrorism.

    If I did not make myself clear before let me do so now. Illegal immigration and terrorism are two different threats to the United States citizens and their system of government and both require border security. Now that that is clear, I don’t give a rat’s ass who calls me what. They can spin their heads as far up their dark moist warm chasm as they want for all I care.

    Everything else you said ALL comes back to the Law

  • REMF

    “Frankly, I’ve never been a great speller and it bothers me not one whit.”
    – Dave Nalle, Nov. 23, 2007

    “Since you can’t even spell ‘miscegenation’ properly, perhaps some black genes in your ancestry would have made you MORE intelligent.”
    – Dave Nalle, Nov. 26, 2007

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Oh, come off it, RJ.

    Pat Buchanan and Tom Tancredo are “pure evil” ???

    They’re individuals, not groups.

    VDARE and Numbers USA are “pure evil” ???

    VDARE certainly is. I’ll give you Numbers for now – I’m reserving judgment on them.

    But you know exactly what Dave is talking about. Stop pretending otherwise just to save face. It ain’t working.

  • Franco

    Dave, I have to agree with RJ about Pat Buchanan and Tom Tancredo. I know you have issues with the Religious Right in most cases, but they are not the same as the others being pointed out in this opinion piece. I’m not asking you to convert, just cut them a little more respect within the context that we can’t allow for the othes. Their not the same.

    You have to admit though his comment on the moonbat debating handbook was pretty funny.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “The open borders lobby has no respect for the laws of the Untied States. They are enemies of the United States. Common sense is more valuables then their half-baked socialist experimental theories. They are far out in left field never never land and I will contest them any time and any place where they enter the arena of ideas for discussion/debate.”

    Amen.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    Pat Buchanan and Tom Tancredo are “pure evil” ???

    “They’re individuals, not groups.”

    Individuals smeared by this article.

    VDARE and Numbers USA are “pure evil” ???

    “VDARE certainly is.”

    How so? Because it’s a group opposed to illegal immigration? Because you disagree with their politics? Have they incited any riots, or conspired to murder anyone? You seem to throw the word “evil” around rather…liberally…

    “I’ll give you Numbers for now – I’m reserving judgment on them.”

    That’s mighty big of you…

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    RJ

    Dave clearly stated: All of the groups mentioned are extremist, racist and pure evil. [my emphasis]

    He was NOT saying that Buchanan and Tancredo are evil.

    As for VDARE, one look at their homepage makes it abundantly clear what their agenda is, and it ain’t pretty.

  • Clavos

    “Tom Tancredo [is] “pure evil” ???”

    As a resident of what he calls the “third world” city of Miami, and as a dual citizen of both the USA and Mexico (and a conservative Libertarian), I most emphatically say YES, Tom Tancredo is not only evil, he is vile.

    His contempt and hatred for Latinos (NOT just “illegals”) is evident in practically all of his speeches and activities in Congress.

  • http://camp2008victorya.blogspot.com Stephen R. Maloney

    Cindy: I’ll reply at some length tomorrow, since you don’t seem to be getting “enough” responses. I think at times the SPLC overstates its case, but it’s generally much more right than wrong. I have been absolutely amazed at the racist comments on Townhall and RedState about immigrants. The reality of the situation is this: if we were fathers and mothers in Mexico with no hope and children with no future, we would cross the border in a “Texas moment.” Does anyone, even Buddy Witherspoon and the dubious Mr. Epstein deny this? Does Tom Tancredo, a truly despicable man, deny it? Immigrants, illegal and legal, are not evil people. They do not come from countries, as the notable HeartlandPatriot called them, are cesspools. They’re poor. I seem to remember that Jesus and his followers seemed to be very poor by our standards. As I said in my new blog (smartpolitics101.blogspot.com), we Republicans are setting ourselves to lose California, Colorado, Nevad, Arizona, and probably Florida. The Council of Conservative Citizens is really a slightly less tacky version of the old White Citizens Council. The Republican Party is self-destructing before her widened eyes.

  • Franco

    Clavos, it appears you are right about Tom Tancredo.

    I had not studied him enough to see the differance. I used to think his hatred was directed at what illegal aliens (un-docutmented) people are doing in draining our system not a hate for Latinos as people. But the more I study both his supporters and critics, he looks to be a racist.

  • Clavos

    The remark about Miami, which he made in a campaign speech to elderly voters in Palm Beach county, was what first caught my attention, Franco. When asked by a reporter on that occasion whether he had ever been to Miami, he admitted he never had.

    That’s when I started digging. He tries to disguise it as upholding immigration law, but doesn’t pull it off; the racism shows through.

    Shame on him. Colorado has a significant number of Mexican residents, both legal Mexican citizens (as well as illegals, of course) and American citizens (born and naturalized) of Mexican descent.

    He does a poor job of representing them.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Dave, I have to agree with RJ about Pat Buchanan and Tom Tancredo.

    I’m no fan of Tancredo, but I agree that he’s not a racist. Well, I think that he IS a racist, but just the garden variety kind you meet every day who harbors some prejudices and tries to overcome them. He’s not a white supremacist, certainly.

    As for Buchanan, I think he’s a raging idiot, but I agree he’s not a racist – even less so than Tancredo.

    But here’s where i think they do fit in. They’re both people who are willing to profit from racism. They’ll take support wherever they can get it, and if that means pandering to the REAL racists for political advantage, they’ll do it. I’d reluctantly put Ron Paul in the same boat for pandering to equally dangerous extremists like the truthers.

    dave

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “Since you can’t even spell ‘miscegenation’ properly”

    Unlike you, Dave, he can’t go back into the system and edit his comments.

  • Franco

    Clavos, do you think there is an orginzed plane by Latinos to take over the lower half of the Untied States.

  • troll

    Insha’Allah – weren’t they promised a right of return

    ……oh wait – where am I – ?

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Clavos, do you think there is an orginzed plane by Latinos to take over the lower half of the Untied States.

    I flew on an orginzed plane once. In fact, it was hand-orginzed by seven ladies from Jalisco in green and yellow goat’s wool, and very fetching it looked. Unfortunately we never made it to the Untied States owing to a lack of doilies on board. We had to make an emergency landing in Florifornirado, a Tied State, and could not continue on because the captain, distracted by his intense study of macrame, failed to file a flight plan.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Unlike you, Dave, he can’t go back into the system and edit his comments.

    True enough, but with a word which is clearly central to his worldview you’d think he’d be a little more competent.

    Dave

  • STM

    Dave, are you there??

    I have a story in pending. Sorry for getting you here, but I can’t get on to the blogcritics users group. I would appreciate if you could file it under the moniker (byline) of silver surfer. I don’t know how to do this on the site, but would like to change it. Tks.

  • livefree

    All races deserve a homeland and a future for their people. To be proud of one’s race and pray for its continued existence is not racists.just good moral character. The “one race,one world order” philosophy is the true extreme.

  • STM

    If you can’t, no problem

  • Clavos

    Doc,

    You have the funniest and most creative sense of humor on the site. Always a treat to see yer stuff.

    You should write a satirical article or two. Really.

    Franco #43:

    In a word, no.

    That they are congregating primarily (though far from exclusively) in southern states is, I think, due primarily to two things:

    First, they are coming from the south and therefore are more inclined to settle where they arrive (Chicago, with its longstanding substantial Mexican population is a notable exception).

    Second, ALL immigrants tend to congregate together when they arrive. Witness all the Little Italys, Chinatowns, and Germantowns in various cities around the country; the heavy preponderance of Scandinavians in the northern Midwest, etc.

    Someone inevitably will bring up the Reconquista and Mecha nutcases. That’s exactly what they are, nutcases. They do not represent the great majority of Latinos, who, like the mass immigrant groups before them, only come here to achieve a better life for themselves and their children than they could aspire to back home.

  • STM

    Dave, I’ve managed to do it. Cheers

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    Re: #37

    Clavos, I understand you dislike Congressman Tancredo, and that’s fine. But I think “evil” (as in Stalin, Pol Pot, Satan, etc.) is a bit much, though.

    As for his comments about Miami, they were certainly politically-incorrect. But as you yourself have stated on this website, the majority of the population of Miami-Dade County doesn’t speak English as a first language. There is a whole different kind of culture down there. Spanish-speakers are such a large majority that there is little reason for many residents to ever become fluent in the English language.

    Most Americans would not consider this a positive development. Now, I believe calling it a “Third World cesspit” or whatever is a bit much, but his point (as I understand it) is that the residents down there are not assimilating. They aren’t being encouraged to become “American;” instead, they seem to rather enjoy the “international” flavor of the city.

    If that sort of thing was contained to just Miami, Hialeah, etc. I don’t think too many people would particularly mind. The concern, however, is that large portions of the American Southwest (including Southern California) are going to turn into something other than “American” in the very near future, thanks to endless and unchecked illegal immigration. And, whether it bothers you or not, it definitely bothers a majority of Americans. (And there are a number of reasons for that, including perfectly valid economic reasons.)

    You know I like and respect you, Clavos. And I’m not going to pretend that I’m capable of changing your mind on this issue with a friggin’ blog comment. But I just wish that pro-amnesty types could at least attempt to view things from the perspective of those who disagree with them on this issue, and not simply dismiss them as “evil” and “racist” and all the rest.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    #50: Thanks for the kind words, Clav. And I promise I wasn’t under the influence of anything more heinous than coffee!

    I hope Franco isn’t too offended that I made fun of his spelling…

    It does bum me out that I haven’t been able to write anything for the site recently. Too much else happening – and the couple of ideas I’ve had didn’t end up going anywhere. Unlike some contributors on this site, I do have the ability to recognize when what I’m writing is bollocks!

    Finals next week, and then a trip back home to Blighty the week after that. Perhaps after I get back there’ll be time to do some scrivening.

  • STM

    Scrivening??

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    All races deserve a homeland and a future for their people.

    I’m a British national with Anglo-Saxon, Viking, Welsh and French ancestors. I’m married to an American citizen of combined Nicaraguan, Puerto Rican, Spanish, French and Swiss-German descent.

    So tell me: where exactly would our “homeland” be and who’d be living there with us?

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Scrivening?

    I’d explain. But I would prefer not to.

    😉

  • Clavos

    Rj,

    Thanks for your comment #52; I appreciate the tone of your disagreement very much; to the point, in fact that I withdraw the “evil” characterization of Tancredo. You’re right, that was over the top.

    However, I stand by my allegation that I think he’s a racist. As I mentioned previously, he cloaks his words in the rhetoric of “legality,” but to me (and to most Latinos) it’s obvious that he has a visceral dislike of a group which actually is a significant part of his constituency.

    As to his (and to a lesser degree, your) characterization of Miami: I’ve been here long enough to remember Miami as a backwater, podunk town dying on the economic vine. With the arrival in 1960 and beyond of the Cubans first, and other immigrants later (not all of whom are Latinos), Miami has become a prosperous, booming town, with, among other things, a thriving banking industry (most of LatAm’s money is parked here), the world’s largest cruise port and one of America’s top cargo ports (the cargo largely of LatAm origin/destination), a thriving tourism industry (LatAm and European), more jobs at all levels than we can fill with locals, etc., etc.

    And, even with the current financial problems at a national level, Miami and South Florida continue to thrive and survive much better than the rest of the nation; this year’s tourist season is already a record-setter, with a month (the biggest month) yet to go.

    As to assimilation, RJ: remember that more than half our population is foreign born. Historically, few of the first generation immigrants of any ethnic/national group assimilate much; hence all the ethnic enclaves in our cities I mentioned above.

    I live here, RJ. I have met, over the years hundreds (maybe even thousands) of Latino youngsters raised (and often born) here who have assimilated with no qualms at all. English is their first language to the point that many speak little, if any Spanish and mangle what they do know.

    Finally, I appreciate your kind words about me. likewise, I respect (and often agree) with you as well.

    I do take exception to one comment of yours, however; I AM in favor of immigration, but am NOT a “pro-amnesty type;” I, in fact, do NOT favor giving illegal immigrants anything more than a legal, tax-paying status as guest workers-ever. For the illegals only; no deportation, as long as they register and pay taxes, but NO citizenship–ever. Period.

    Even if they have anchor babies, I don’t advocate giving parents citizenship, but do believe that as long as they are productive, taxpaying workers in our society, they should be allowed to stay as registered temporary residents until their children attain their majority, at least.

    OK. Once again, “evil” WAS over the top, but Tancredo (a man with a foreign surname!!) is, in my book, definitely unAmerican and a dishonest Congressman, at the very least.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    The one thing I noticed here is that it’s quite obvious who approved this for publication…the little blurb that’s used to introduce the piece uses the word nativist….only one guy around here uses that word repeatedly and that’s Dave. And since the word isn’t used in the piece even once, I can only assume that you did it Dave….didn’t you???

    Dave, you’re getting as bad as MCH on some things. Now nativist and white supremecist are one in the same?

  • Rob

    Get rid of Grahamnisty, close the borders and make America safe for white people again.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    OMG Andy, I did write the blurb. My apologies for the soft sell.

    So tell me: where exactly would our “homeland” be and who’d be living there with us?

    The US, Dr. D. A homeland for mongrels of all kinds.

    Dave

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Clavos – don’t most of us in the US have foreign surnames? I mean, unless your last name is Greateagle or something along those lines, most of us got our names from some other part of the world…no? Other than that, I like everything you said in #57. The only question I have is, how do we find the folks here illegally to give them this guest worker status that you speak of…and, once they’re here in a guest worker status shouldn’t they have the opportunity to apply for citizenship and maybe even be given a slightly less convoluted process to get there as a thank you for working their butts off in our country?

    As I’ve stated before, I’m in no way against immigration…I’m a mutt big time, my blood has more different nationalities in it than I can count! What I’m against is people sneaking through the desert or whatever to get here and not being accounted for once they do get in.

    One last thing, do you have any knowledge of Cubans getting special treatment once they get their feet on American soil? It’s my understanding, talking with CG in KW that they get a check if they make it, that’s why they keep trying all the time. Coasties tell me when they catch some of the “boat people” the last thing they say before they depart the CG vessel is, see you in a couple of weeks…not sure if they say it in english or spanish though…

  • Clavos

    Andy asks,

    “Clavos – don’t most of us in the US have foreign surnames?”

    Of course, Andy (in my case even my first name is foreign-Swedish). I mentioned it in Tancredo’s case only because HE seems to have lost sight of that fact when he outlines his stance on the immigration issue.

    “and, once they’re here in a guest worker status shouldn’t they have the opportunity to apply for citizenship and maybe even be given a slightly less convoluted process to get there as a thank you for working their butts off in our country?”

    Props to you, Andy. That’s a typically kind and quintessentially American inclusive way of thinking.

    The chief reason I don’t think those who have already come illegally should ever be offered anything more than guest worker status is that, as we learned the last time around, offering any sort of amnesty which includes citizenship sends absolutely the wrong message to all the rest of the world, and only tends to exacerbate our problems in that regard.

    “talking with CG in KW that they get a check if they make it, that’s why they keep trying all the time. Coasties tell me when they catch some of the “boat people” the last thing they say before they depart the CG vessel is, see you in a couple of weeks…not sure if they say it in english or spanish though…”

    Though there were “matching grant” programs for ALL asylum-seeking refugees, regardless of nationality, during the eighties and nineties, to my knowledge there are no such programs at this time. In any case, they were NEVER just for Cubans, or any other single group, and they were fairly nominal ( a max of $1,000.00 per refugee, plus a $500.00 matching grant from participating NGOs). There may still be NGOs (the Cuban-American National Foundation, for example) which are helping out Cubans with funds, but they would be private, not government, programs.

    The one “favored” status the Cubans DO have, and continue to enjoy, is commonly referred to as the “wet foot/dry foot” policy, wherein Cubans who make it ashore on US territory are automatically eligible for asylum. NO other nationality, including Haitians, is afforded that privilege.

    That difference in treatment is strongly resented by Haitians, who consider that their reasons for coming here are just as dire as those of the Cubans.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    The reason that I bought up that deal about a fast track kind of thing is because, here in Va Beach and my years in the navy I spent a lot of time with Philipinos. The houses on either side of me, 13 feet away, each of them, are owned by Philipinos. I believe they used to get a fast track kind of deal for serving in the military. I’m not sure if that’s still the case or not..

    But I do understand where you’re coming from…although, I wasn’t necessarily talking about an amnesty program…but I guess that’s the way it would be spun…

    I think the US govt does that with Cubans just to piss off Castro!

    I had heard that the amount was much higher than you stated, but I haven’t been able to find anything about it anywhere, one way or the other. Must be one of those urban legend things running aorund the CG…

  • Clavos

    “I believe they used to get a fast track kind of deal for serving in the military. I’m not sure if that’s still the case or not..”

    They did, and I believe still do. I think it’s offered to ANY foreigner who serves (honorably) in the US military, however.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    You’re right about any foreigner…I didn’t mean to imply, just that there are a recognizably large group of Philipinos in the navy is all…

    The thing is they do seem to assimilate…participate in the democratic process and are pretty good at it too…I’m talking about most of the people that come here the right way…

  • STM

    Yes, if I join the US armed forces, as some of my countrymen have done, I get a fast-track deal to citizenship. That is now possible without losing Aussie citizenship, as all Americans and Aussies can now have both (is that an indication of how similar we are?)

    But Clav is absolutely right.

    One of the great and best-known heroes of the Vietnam war was an Englishman who had joined the US Army – Rick Rescorla, from Cornwall. He also received a posthumous gallantry award for saving 2,700 people on 9/11, escorting people out of one of the buildings, but died in the collapse. His body was never found.

    He had joined the British Army in 1957, serving as a paratrooper with the Red Devils (Parachute Regiment) in Cyprus and later travelled to the US from the UK in the 1960s as a young man with another former British serviceman who had served in Africa – specifically to join up in the US military.

    Rescorla remained a proud Cornishman, but died a US Citizen and I believe has a memorial at Arlington.

    Mel Gibson’s We were Soldiers Once and Young, about the battle of Ia Drang, is based on the true story of Rescorla.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    I do take exception to one comment of yours, however; I AM in favor of immigration, but am NOT a “pro-amnesty type;” I, in fact, do NOT favor giving illegal immigrants anything more than a legal, tax-paying status as guest workers-ever. For the illegals only; no deportation, as long as they register and pay taxes, but NO citizenship–ever. Period.

    Even if they have anchor babies, I don’t advocate giving parents citizenship, but do believe that as long as they are productive, taxpaying workers in our society, they should be allowed to stay as registered temporary residents until their children attain their majority, at least.

    Fair enough. I’m not in 100% agreement, but that’s certainly reasonable. (And am I correct in guessing that you too were opposed to the Bush-McCain-Kennedy immigration “reform” proposal?)

    As for me, I have no problem with a limited number of LEGAL immigrants entering this country every year. And a limited guest worker program would be fine, as long as the government can actually keep track of all these people (which I frankly find unlikely). Also, I don’t believe that every single illegal immigrant needs to be rounded up and deported (although those who have committed crimes should be given a one-way ticket back to Veracruz, and I believe many would self-deport if certain laws were passed). And, like you, I do not believe that citizenship should be granted to the parents of “anchor” babies (and this is a real phenomenon; I’ve seen it happen).

    But I sure as hell want to make sure that the border is secured in such a way that we never again have to deal with millions of illegal immigrants “living in the shadows” at some point in the future. You’ll never be able to stop ALL illegal immigration into this country, but we could certainly stop the vast majority of it, if the federal government was seriously interested in doing so. Sadly, they aren’t.

  • troll

    nationalism is the pcp of the masses

    porqué fronteras

  • Franco

    #67 — RJ

    You’ll never be able to stop ALL illegal immigration into this country, but we could certainly stop the vast majority of it, if the federal government was seriously interested in doing so. Sadly, they aren’t.

    I know, but why won’t they? What are some of the primary reasons?
    .

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    #69 – Franco:

    I think it’s basically a long-term political strategy. Hispanics are the largest minority group in the United States, and unlike Blacks they do not vote overwhelmingly for one party (yet). So both the GOP and the Dems are trying desperately to appeal to (or pander to) this large (and growing) swing voting bloc.

    There are other issues as well. Dems love it when illegals vote (they arguably won at least one relatively-recent Congressional race thanks to illegal immigrant voters, and Democrats usually oppose any measures that require proof of residency and/or citizenship on Election Day). And the GOP is backed by businesses who benefit from cheap, illegal immigrant labor, so Republicans are often more than happy to look the other way.

    So both parties have their reasons for ignoring the will of the people. Congress has passed, and the President has signed, legislation authorizing the building of a fence across 700 miles of the US-Mexico border. That became law over a year ago. Guess how many miles have actually been built? Five. That’s right, FIVE. At this rate, they will have completed this project sometime around then year 2147.

    In other words, they aren’t serious about this issue. In other words, the American people do not trust these bastards (from either party) on this issue anymore. And for good reason.

  • Clavos

    Adding to RJ’s points in #70:

    The Mexican government wants it to continue, as well. Emigration helps them reduce unemployment problems and strains on their Social Security system, the money sent home by Mexicans in the US is their second largest source (after oil) of foreign revenue.

    I believe that both governments have gone so far as to collude to continue the situation in the recent past. I have no proof, but I absolutely believe it.

  • Zedd

    Gentlemen, can we start here.

    WHAT IS A RACE?

    Parameters please?

    St. Louis CofCC Blogmeister you go first.

  • Zedd

    Troll,

    On your comment about nationalism. I think that we as human beings are designed to look for similarity. If you look across a stadium and find one red shirt, you will automatically look for everyone that is wearing a red shirt in the stands. We like order. Diversity is relinquishing to a form a chaos. Allowing different people to co-mingle is scary. We even bond based on silly things like football teams. (Go Cowboys!!!.. Dallas vs Green Bay tonight!!!).

    These bonds however silly they may be cause us to want to take care of one another. Feeling kinship makes us less likely to hurt one another. I guess to some extent we are self consumed as well. The more someone is like us, the more likely we are to empathize with them.

    Places like London do a phenomenal job of being cosmopolitan (although they have their fair share of racists and weirdos). I would suggest that they are more accepting of difference partly because of there being an unattainable “norm” which is royalty, that everyone knows cant be disturbed. However if it was thought that a “Packi” could be king, I don’t think that the English would be so well adjusted. I do think that the notion of The Empire allows for bonding of different cultures. There must be a sort of benevolence (mentally off course) extended towards the darkies.

    Anyway lost my train of thought daughter asked how to spell “fillet mignon”.

  • Franco

    RJ, Clavos, OK. So is there anything that can be done about it and what would that be.

    I talking about people doing something about it who are not racist and welcome immagrants into the US when they enter legally through the Laws of the US.

  • Clavos

    This is too easy…

    “…daughter asked how to spell “fillet mignon.”

    That’s not it. It’s filet mignon.

    Poor kid.

  • Zedd

    Clavos,

    It’s spelled both ways Tiny (blush).

    Now can you focus for a change on the topics at hand instead of trying to earn big boy points? You are either kissing up or pretending to be worldly or a scholar. Can you just discuss a topic lucidly for a change? Gracias!!! We all have access to spell check, thesauruses and everything else at the tip of our fingers. Memorizing how to spell fillet or filet doesn’t render one intelligent. It’s having a curious mind. Yours seems to have stopped at second grade… ((((spelling)))). Were you like the spelling champ in class or something? Move on.

  • troll

    Zedd – I appreciate your point that nationalism (and other exclusionary povs) come from fear and would like to think that understanding its origins might help to deal with its consequences

    …and as you say: we are just people here more or less

  • Clavos

    “It’s spelled both ways Tiny

    Not as filet mignon, it’s not. Filet mignon is a French phrase, and that’s the only way it’s spelled.

    Look it up:

    filet mignon.

    fillet.

    And no need to blush, we’re all used to your abysmal spelling by now.

  • Clavos

    For all those who insist that Latinos aren’t assimilating:

    Pew Research has just released the results of a multi year, nationwide study of Latinos that indicates that, by the second generation in the US, Latinos’ dominant language is English; and by the third generation, Spanish has almost completely disappeared.

    This exactly replicates the experience of other non-English speaking immigrant groups, and should lay to rest once and for all the false myth (and purely anecdotal, unscientific evidence) of Latino non-assimilation.

  • Zedd

    Clavos,

    I wont bother to explain. Please enjoy the splendor. I wouldn’t want to remove the one thing that you feel most capable about. ENJOY little man….

    Weeeee or Excelsior!!

  • Zedd

    Clavos

    Thanks for the link. An important factor that cant be ignored by the study is that ” Among the major Hispanic origin groups, Puerto Ricans and South Americans are the most likely to say they are proficient in English; Mexicans are the least likely to say so.”

    The immigration debate is primarily about Mexicans.

    Also, the issue is not just that they don’t learn how to speak English EVER. It is that they are arriving at unprecedented rates and it doesn’t look like the influx will diminish. With every new set of arrivals is money being spent to accommodate the language issue.

    ALSO

    Language, while it is a major inconvenience, is not the real threat it is the education issue. Being an English high school drop out does not make you any better.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    …and by the fourth generation they’re more anti-immigrant than the average anglo.

    At least based on my experience.

    Dave

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Z: “It’s spelled both ways Tiny…”

    “CLAV: Not as filet mignon, it’s not. Filet mignon is a French phrase, and that’s the only way it’s spelled.”

    Considering the low quality of spelling and proofreading among American menu writers generally, I wouldn’t be surprised if Zedd has seen it spelled fillet on many occasions.

    And to be fair, that is what it means!

    My personal favorite was not a spelling error but a beverage list which identified Newcastle Brown Ale as a Scottish beer. The restaurant in question quietly changed it after I pointed this out.

  • Matt Parrott

    Marcus Epstein isn’t even White! How can he be a White Supremacist when he’s half-Jewish and half-Korean? Why don’t you actually hold people accountable for their own beliefs and actions and stop trying to smear everybody by associating them with people who associated with people who associated with people. It’s like a sinister Kevin Bacon game. It’s inverted McCarthyism and it needs to stop.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    I suppose a more accurate term for the modern-day White Supremacist would be the Anyone With A Skin Tone The Same As Or Lighter Than Mine And Who Holds The Same Passport Supremacist.

  • http://www.nationalvanguard.org Jill Henry

    If I had a dollar everytime a white Gentile was called a racist, neo-Nazi or supremacist, I would be a multi-billionare.

    If I had a dollar everytime a Jew or nonwhite was called a racist, neo-Nazi or supremacist, I would be in the poor house.

    Makes you wonder if these terms are simply scarlet letters used to harm European people, propaganda selectively given to European racial families.

  • http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com Nicholas Stix

    #84 — December 5, 2007 @ 13:05PM — Matt Parrott

    Marcus Epstein isn’t even White! How can he be a White Supremacist when he’s half-Jewish and half-Korean? Why don’t you actually hold people accountable for their own beliefs and actions and stop trying to smear everybody by associating them with people who associated with people who associated with people. It’s like a sinister Kevin Bacon game. It’s inverted McCarthyism and it needs to stop.

    Thank you! I can’t believe that anyone has taken this screed seriously. I hit the link she posted to Marcus’ “anti-Semitic” article, and found nothing of the sort.

    This SJ Reidhead individual links to “articles” she has written that are as hysterical as this rant. She doesn’t do any research; she simply parrots SPLC propaganda. Considering that she is clearly a communist, when she calls someone an “extremist,” is that meant as a criticism or a compliment?

    In her abject laziness, she knows nothing about Marcus Epstein.

    I have just one correction to make to your post, Matt. Marcus is a Jew, period. I know, because he told me so. (Actually, there is no such thing as a “half-Jew”; according to Jewish law, either you were born to a Jewish mother or converted, in which case you are a Jew, or neither case applies, in which case you are simply not a Jew. As far as I know, it was the Nazis who popularized the notion of partial Jews. Americans who repeat that canard, of course, know not what they are saying.)

    I suspect that Reidhead has never read VDARE or American Renaissance.

  • Midwest Conservative

    THANK YOU for posting these comments, regarding “SJ Reidhead’s” bizarre and leftist-type attacks on Marcus Epstein and other conservatives.

    For non-conservatives to be involved in the Republican Party is fine… But this blogger seems to be so off-base – She uses tired left-wing smear tactics… and to an extent that even many liberals don’t use!!

    Any “conservative” blogger who continually references the SPLC (a very liberal organization whose tactics, and ultra-low threshold for “hate” labeling, has discredited them not only among all conservatives, but many moderates and others as well) – has a serious credibility problem. But even the SPLC’s followers and supporters had problems with their attack on Marcus Epstein – that piece on their site was universally criticized.

    Calling Marcus a “white supremacist” is laughable… He himself is non-white… like myself. I know Marcus, and he has not a racist bone in his body.

    That any “conservative” or Republican commentator takes accusations like this seriously – and repeats them in public forums – is truly scary.

  • chiquita

    I’ll take a reformed KKK guy before a libral radical like obama and his crew and this a—-h Lindsey graham illigal alian lover please vote their sorry a—-s out and put a fiscal & social conservative in there and hold their feet to the fire ! is there no one out there that has a back bone to stand up and do what is right for the AMERICAN perople the taxpayers stop with all these morons who can be bought and paid for or manipulated like pupets like obama please put some people of charecter and substanse with some muscle that don’t fold like an old sheet.Bring this country back kick the hell out all these disgusting illigal alians and all their cockaroach kids!

  • Boeke

    SOMEBODY turned their spell-checker off!

  • Dana Cuillo

    Don’t believe these progressive leftist operatives people! Buddy Witherspoon is what America desperately needs. Time to turn out the morons, like Graham, who have been destroying America for since Regan left office.