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To their credit, I’ve yet to see a regular BC conservative support Rick Santorum, or any other candidate, except for Ron Paul. That said, this regular BC bleeding heart liberal is feeling pretty good about the upcoming presidential election.

As of this writing, Rick Santorum seems to be making a real run at challenging Mitt Romney for chairmanship of CREEP, the Committee to Reelect the President. He has a three- to six-point lead in Michigan, a bare 4-point deficit in Arizona, and a one-point lead nationally. Best of all (from my liberal view) is this from a USA Today article:

Pew finds that Santorum does best among the GOP voters who identify themselves with the small-government Tea Party movement and white evangelical GOP voters. Romney, by contrast, does best among non-Tea Party Republicans and moderate to liberal Republicans, according to Pew.

What does this mean to me? Four more years of having an adult in the White House, thanks to the Santorum campaign’s tireless efforts to separate the independents from the GOP core which has allowed itself to be defined by the Tea Party. To wit:

From a 2008 Press & People of Faith in Politics forum: “Woodstock is the great American orgy. This is who the Democratic Party has become. They have become the party of Woodstock. They prey upon our most basic primal lusts, and that’s sex. And the whole abortion culture, it’s not about life. It’s about sexual freedom. That’s what it’s about. Homosexuality. It’s about sexual freedom.”

Yep, if you have sexual freedom, you can’t have life! And I have zero problem with being part of the Party of Woodstock! Cool!

From Santorum’s Issues page, the top billing was, wait for it, internet pornography! Not taxes, not the economy, not jobs, not foreign policy or defense, but the family values threat of internet pornography. Also on the same issues page was “No More Leading From Behind for America”, which is a rather curious position for a candidate named Santorum.

From the Drudge Report -

‘Satan has his sights on the United States of America!’ Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum has declared.  ‘Satan is attacking the great institutions of America, using those great vices of pride, vanity, and sensuality as the root to attack all of the strong plants that has so deeply rooted in the American tradition.’
The former senator from Pennsylvania warned in 2008 how politics and government are falling to Satan.  ‘This is a spiritual war. And the Father of Lies has his sights on what you would think the Father of Lies would have his sights on: a good, decent, powerful, influential country, the United States of America. If you were Satan, who would you attack in this day and age?’
He attacks all of us and he attacks all of our institutions.’
Santorum made the provocative comments to students at Ave Maria University in Florida.

Apparently, Rick Santorum watched a few too many skits of The Church Lady on Saturday Night Live.

Then there was this particular quote,  “I don’t want to make black people’s lives better by giving them somebody else’s money; I want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn the money.” It wouldn’t have been so bad except for how good ol’ Ricky tried to simultaneously cover his oops and double-down on it: “I’ve looked at that quote, in fact I looked at the video. In fact, I’m pretty confident I didn’t say black. I started to say is a word and then sort of changed and it sort of, blah, mumbled it and sort of changed my thought.”

The first quote could have been forgiven, but the second? How stupid does he think the Republican electorate is? Oh, I forgot; he’s a Tea Party darling. Blah people of the world, unite!

But that’s not the first instance of Rick Santorum completely ignoring reality, “The idea that the Crusades and the fight of Christendom against Islam is somehow an aggression on our part is absolutely anti-historical.” Winners do write history, and apparently ol’ Ricky believes that if he wins, history is whatever he says it is.

And the same thing goes for science, too: “What we should be teaching are the problems and holes and I think there are legitimate problems and holes in the theory of evolution. And what we need to do is to present those fairly from a scientific point of view. And we should lay out areas in which the evidence supports evolution and the areas in the evidence that does not.”

And for geography: There are no Palestinians. All the people who live in the West Bank are Israelis. There are no Palestinians.”

And in the bedroom, too:

“One of the things I will talk about that no president has talked about before is I think the dangers of contraception in this country, the whole sexual libertine idea. Many in the Christian faith have said, “Well, that’s okay. Contraception’s okay.”

…Again, I know most presidents don’t talk about those things, and maybe people don’t want us to talk about those things, but I think it’s important that you are who you are. I’m not running for preacher. I’m not running for pastor, but these are important public policy issues. These how profound impact on the health of our society.”

On a lighter and more puerile note, Amazon.com is offering “Matte Nail Polish, Santorum – Brown” for only $13.13. I can only imagine what will be offered should he win the GOP nomination. But should he win the chairmanship of CREEP, I think this should be his theme song. I don’t think SNL would mind one bit.

I realize that I’m really going for low-hanging fruit by blasting out all these Santorum quotes. But what is so frustrating is that no matter how idiotic his statements are, he is still very much in the hunt to be the GOP nominee for president; you know, just one election away from having his finger on the nuclear button. I cannot blame the regular BC conservatives for Santorum’s success or lack thereof, but I can point out to them that if so many people on their side of the political fence are so stupid as to vote for Rick Santorum, perhaps they should reconsider whether it’s a good thing to be on that side of the fence.

Lay down with dogs, and you get up with fleas. Lay down with Tea Partiers, and you get up with Santorum. Yes, that’s a truly nasty concept, but true nonetheless.

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About Glenn Contrarian

White. Male. Raised in the deepest of the Deep South. Retired Navy. Strong Christian. Proud Liberal. Thus, Contrarian!
  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/IanMayfield Dr Dreadful

    Glenn, I think I’ve corrupted your mind with that website I linked to that one time…

  • Glenn Contrarian

    For the past twenty or so years I’ve been of the opinion that while it’s important to protect the dignity of one’s name, if one’s name is simply too …embarrassing, one should change one’s name – if not for oneself, then certainly for the dignity of one’s wife and children. IMO Rick should strongly consider doing just that.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    This just in: Indiana state representative Bob Morris (R) states that the Girl Scouts is a radical organization that promotes homosexuality and abortion – and because of this, his girls will join American Heritage Girls. GOP leaders quickly denounced Morris’ statements.

    In another case of “Oh, maybe we should back off a bit because we just might lose a vote or two” among the GOP, Governor Bob McDonnell of Virginia backed away from his support for a proposed law that would require women to submit to an transvaginal ultrasound before undergoing an abortion.

    And in my fairly-conservative hometown, the Republicans get to tell themselves once more that everybody oughta have guns…even though in this case it was apparently a third-grader shooting another third-grader. A close friend of mine (Republican, like most of my friends) once told me that he thinks that all kids should be allowed to bring guns to school.

    BC conservatives, there comes a point when you need to realize that your policies are leading you somewhere that you really don’t want to go. You’re going to have to overcome your prejudice of liberals and get with the program.

    As long as you demand dumb policies, you will get dumb politicians. The vast majority of GOP presidential candidates since 2000 should tell you that!

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/IanMayfield Dr Dreadful

    Good grief.

    Sometimes I think these things come out of the mouths of Republican legislators because their advisers have noticed that they haven’t been getting many Google hits lately and need to say something mindbogglingly stupid just to get some attention.

  • John Lake

    As usual the republicans have their act together. They must spend a lot of time huddling, and defining their positions. It may be said that sometimes too much debate and excessive comradely make for bad thinking and bad politics.
    Santorum says he’s not a preacher, not a pastor; this from a man who is running as a Catholic. He just has these BELIEFS. His outstanding belief as demonstrated in the Arizona debate is that the government should not come into our homes and tell us what to do. He still comes close to acknowledging his belief in creationism, which is far too simplistic for most Catholics to accept. He doesn’t see the error in attacking non-Biblical theology. Apparently the government can make an exception in excluding those whose morality isn’t Bible based.
    Now comes Romney tossing off “I don’t think we’ve seen in the history of this country the kind of attack on religious conscience, religious freedom, religious tolerance that we’ve seen under Barack Obama!” Obama feels that since some Catholic employees may opt (freedom of conscience and all) for birth-control, the Catholics must cover that line item in insurance. I just don’t see that as an attack of historic proportions by the Obama administration.
    Republicans today come from their meetings promoting witch burning and elimination of oversight on what schools are teaching. Some schools might teach some pretty vulgar things.

  • John Lake

    I should clarify. It was last year that Santorum said “not a preacher, not a pastor…”

    Here’s a few lines from a CBS article:

    “However, in last year’s interview, Santorum suggested a public policy prescription for issues relating to birth control. ‘I’m not running for preacher. I’m not running for pastor, but these are important public policy issues,’ he said.”

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Hey! No fair! Numbers of comments are supposed to grow, not shrink!

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Go, Rick, Go!

    But it’s amusing that in tonight’s debate, Romney blamed Santorum for Obamacare;

    Santorum (quite accurately, it seems) pointed out that while Romney balanced the state budge for four years, Dukakis did it for ten and so Dukakis is more qualified to be president than Romney;

    Gingrich – desperate to not be left out – came up with this gem: “You did not once during the 2008 campaign ask why Barack Obama voted in favor of legalizing infanticide”;

    On a side note, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is trying to baptize Anne Frank. Again.

  • troll

    …Dukakis did it for ten and so Dukakis is more qualified to be president than Romney;

    of course this is not what St Santorum said or even implied in that interaction – putting words in others’ mouths again Glenn Contrarian

  • John Lake

    Mr. Santorum would not let his rival take credit for balancing the budget as governor of Massachusetts, which is required by state law.

    “Don’t go around bragging about something you have to do,” Mr. Santorum said. “Michael Dukakis balanced the budget for 10 years. Does that make him qualified to be president of the United States? I don’t think so.”

  • https://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    Santorum stood on the floor of the Senate one time during his two-terms as Senator from the State of Pennsylvania to show a poster of a partial birth or late-term abortion. This limited experience hardly qualifies the man to hold the office of the presidency. Since then Rick has made a very lucrative living in the lobby industry.

    Good article Glen, yes we should wonder why the GOP has such a motley crew to hand up to their base, all three of them.

  • https://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeannie Danna

    You know Glenn, I think the entire kabuki theater staring these wackos, who know damn well that they are so far right they wont be elected anyway, has been to drive the primary to a brokered convention. This would allow the rise of a real surprise, huh?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    That’s beside the point, Jeannie — and hi, by the way — because anyone who pays attention to these clowns is a fool.

    Which doesn’t negate the fact (which John Lake and “troll” have aptly brought up), that the Contrarian is a habitual liar, as per this video capturing the Santorum-Romney exchange.

  • Costello

    Roger, you are in no position to call people a liar when you falsely proclaim yourself to be a communist. Yes, Glenn should have indicated that Santorum was being sarcastic, but it seems a tad obvious. I am more surprised people aren’t put off by the disgusting double meaning of the article title

  • troll

    ‘sarcasm’ has nothing to do with it

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I see you still got an ax to grind, Costello. Why don’t you invite me to your home, then, and find out? I promise to do my best to re-allocate all your resources to the poor and needy.

    And that wasn’t Glenn’s first offense, BTW, when he and the truth happen to pass one another by. It’s become a habit for him. If you were a more frequent visitor here rather than just a drive-by commenter, you’d surely get a feel of it. But given that you’re a hopeless liberal, I doubt that too. Stretching the facts comes all too easy to all of you since it all comes down to “maintaining the faith.”

  • https://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ Jeaniie Danna

    Hi Roger, Yes my point is an aside but well worth giving a second thought.
    A hopeless liberal, lol.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I call ‘em as I see ‘em, Jeannie.

    Good to see you back, if only once in a while.

  • Costello

    Roger, I volunteer at a local high school as an asst coach to one of the boys’ basketball teams, so I currently don’t have the free time a “communist” does to frequent this site.

    Rather than focusing on my resources, which I plan on passing on to my children, why not generate someone of your own? Or do lack the skills anyone would pay for? Too bad Internet bully doesn’t pay.

    I’d ask you to clarify how I am a hopeless liberal, but then you’ve already shown you don’t rely on facts to label people. Feel free to prove me wrong, comrade

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Roger –

    One finger points in one direction, but the others in the opposite direction. Yeah, I coulda been clearer about the sarcasm, but I was also moving along pretty quickly. No excuse, but as Costello pointed out, the sarcasm should still be obvious to anyone.

    Ah, but I forgot! You’re Roger, and Thou Shalt Not Pass Up Any Opportunity To Denigrate Those You Don’t Like. Which makes it clear that it doesn’t matter at all what I do, you’ll still hate and despise me. It’s gone beyond professional dislike – it’s become personal…and that’s why you never, ever pass up an opportunity, and you assign to me every poor or evil trait you think you can get away with. The worst thing is, you don’t even see what the problem is with that.

    And one more thing:

    That’s beside the point, Jeannie — and hi, by the way — because anyone who pays attention to these clowns is a fool.

    Oh? Dubya was a clown, too.

  • Randy W.

    @ Roger;
    I don’t visit here that often, but everytime I do, it seems like you’re disparaging someone that thinks differently than you. Are you really that lonely?

  • troll

    …and surprise surprise he ‘doubles down’ on his mistake

    intellectual dishonesty

  • John Lake

    Santorum: “I didn’t really vote for ‘no child left behind'; I was being sarcastic.”

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    @19

    It’s good for you, Costello, that you do volunteer for something or other. It’s good work. As to my own personal resources, I ain’t stressing, my man. My needs are rather modest — some good books, CDs, a running vehicle and a laptop. So no, Costello, I don’t desire whatever you have or whatever you’re going to bequeath to your offspring; was only kidding.

    And hello, to you too, Randy W. It’s always a pleasure to hear from you.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Costello –

    It’s not that I’m always eager to take up for Roger (since he always and nastily rejects any such efforts from me), but instead of suggesting the importance of the monetary or the material, IMO a better resource to pass on to others would be that of wisdom.

    And while Roger might agree with that, he will probably feel offended (but refuse to show it in his reply) when I tell him that the wisdom to pass on to others should be the wisdom that builds, not the wisdom that tears down.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Yes, Glenn, you’re right that in this respect I am failing. But you know what they say, tomorrow’s is always another day.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    True enough – and it’s also true that I haven’t walked a mile in your shoes. As you said, one day at a time….

  • Glenn Contrarian

    One more into the breach, dear friends, once more into the breach! Or close up this thread with our digital dead!

    Mitt Romney starts our day by wildly editing newspaper endorsements. I suspect he’s hedging his bets so if he doesn’t get the chairmanship of CREEP, he can always get a job with Andrew Breitbart.

    A Texas GOP Senate candidate just stated that homosexuality is a choice that will be punished by God. *Yawn* The really sad part is – this is nothing new. Just another day in the GOP, nothing to see here, move along now.

    Mitt Romney is absolutely right about something! He said that if Iran develops a nuclear weapon and Obama is reelected, nukes will be used! And he’s right! But where he was wrong is that if he himself is elected and Iran develops nukes, Iran will use them anyway. And is he really so ignorant that he thinks that (short of yet another full-scale invasion) we can stop Iran from getting nukes? Please, Mitt – get real.

    Remember the Virginia forced-transvaginal-ultrasound bill that was fixed after all the pressure? Well, there’s another problem now – it seems that as it is written, certain types of miscarriages will require that same transvaginal ultrasound (read: government-mandated rape with a physical object). Yep! That’s Republican-style SMALL GOVERNMENT at work for ya!

    Speaking of Republican-style SMALL GOVENRMENT, the House Oversight Committee held a hearing on contraception. Well, yeah, it’s about whether the government can tell insurance companies that contraceptive measures have to be covered too – it doesn’t matter that they cover Viagra and vasectomies, but The Pill? THAT’S AGAINST GOD, they say! Anyway, in the hearing all the witnesses were male. 300,000 women had volunteered through a Democratic canvassing effort as witnesses to speak, but as it ended, only male witnesses were allowed to speak on a matter of contraception. No women, just men. But again, this ain’t really news – it’s just the way the GOP rolls, yo!

    But I’ll end this comment with yet another round of vintage Santorum: “This is the heart of American exceptionalism,” he said in his Phoenix speech. “This is what makes us a great nation … because we believe in the power of the dignity of every human life.”

    Yep! The dignity of every human life – that is, except for LGBT’s, illegal immigrants, Muslims, and women who ask for an abortion, even if they are victims of rape or incest.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    And here’s a brilliant cartoon about the House Oversight Committee’s hearing on contraception.

  • http://indyboomer46.blogspot.com baritone

    A Georgia state legislator has introduced a bill that make vascectomies illegal. Makes sense.

  • http://indyboomer46.blogspot.com baritone

    The Reps have devolved into unmitigated clowns. Back during the runup to the 2010 midterm elections, campaigning at pretty much all levels focussed upon the economy, which it should have.

    However, most of the Reps who won in Congress, governorships and legislatures across the land pulled a bait and switch. Gone is any concern with the economy. Gone is any concern with unemployment. At most these issues get little more than lip service.

    Instead, we have been flooded with an unending war against abortion, against contraception, against women, against gays, against unions, against voters. It’s all a load of crap. As bad a Romney, Gingrich and Paul are, Santorum may well be the worst of the bunch. His sanctimonious bullshit makes me gag.

  • STM

    I love a nice tea party with cake and those little cucumber and chicken and watercress sandwiches. Nothing like sittingb in the shade on a hot summer’s day with a nice cup of tea.

    That lovely president Obama and his wife should throw one on the lawns of the White House, and invite all those nice folks from the Tea Party, who doubtless would dress up in their Sunday best for the chance to make polite conversation with America’s first couple.

    It’s about time Americans learned to appreciate the restive, soothing and healing effects of a nice cup of tea.

    The Tea Party tea party, with Barack and Michelle, 3pm sharp or don’t bother turning up. The gardens would be overflowing, wouldn’t they?

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/IanMayfield Dr Dreadful

    It wouldn’t be the same without a pack of corgis running around nipping everybody on the ankles.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    And for today’s edition of Stupidity in Red America:

    The Utah state GOP just passed a bill in the House of Representatives that would ban the teaching of contraceptives as a part of sex-ed classes. Yep! It’s abstinence or nothing! Funny how the states that DO teach contraceptives tend to have a significantly lower teen pregnancy rate…ah, but that’s just another left-wing conspiracy, I’m sure!

    And Rick Santorum’s wife seems to be a perfect fit for him – good for Rick! Here’s what she said in an interview with Glenn Beck (yes, Glenn Beck):


    The wife of Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum says that God is responsible for her husband’s recent surge in popularity.

    “I personally think this is God’s will,” Karen Santorum told GBTV’s Glenn Beck on Thursday. “I think He has us on a path. And I do think there’s a lot more happening that what we are seeing.”

    “How close do you think we are to losing the republic?” Beck wondered.

    “Oh, it’s such a concern,” Karen Santorum warned. “I just really believe so strongly. This is why we are making the sacrifice we are as a family to give all. Because I do believe if President Obama is elected again, I do believe we are going to lose our nation as we know it.”


    Go, Rick, Go!

  • Glenn Contrarian

    And a quick reminder for the kiddies out there: if you demand stupid policies, you’ll get stupid politicians!

  • Jordan Richardson

    Glenn Beck is still alive?

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/IanMayfield Dr Dreadful

    I believe he is, Jordan, although I haven’t liked much he’s done since You Had It Coming.

    :-)

  • Jordan Richardson

    Good to know. I’m betting they’re keeping him Wired to keep the blood pumpin’.

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    Rick Santorum claims that in the Netherlands many senior citizens there wear bracelets with a legend on them saying “Don’t euthanize me.” (In Dutch, I presume.) This they do in the hope of avoiding being euthanized in their hospitals. Supposedly, it is now government policy, in an effort to save money, to go ahead and euthanize elderly patients who are ill or considered to be feeble. Supposedly, up to around 10% of all deaths in the Netherlands are euthanizations and half of those are seniors. How or why the other 5% are euthanized was not explained. Seniors in need of medical care, according to the holy reverend Santorum opt to leave the country.

    Of course, absolutely none of this is true, but that doesn’t matter. His audience, in the TV studio where this was taped (I don’t know what show this was, nor do I know when it took place,) made audible gasps with each of his pronouncements. They went home believing every damn word of it, and no doubt passed it on to their friends and neighbors. The Horror! Why they must have “death panels!” The Rickster didn’t bother to cite any of his sources. I can’t imagine why.

    Little Ricky, sweet little sweater vest wearing holy christian catholic Ricky Santorum is an unmitigated liar.

  • http://www.indyboomer46.blogspot.com Baritone

    BTW Glenn, you’ve done much better at getting a rise out of the BC crowd than I did. Kudos!

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Baritone –

    Thanks, but I sorta cheated by repeatedly putting in more and more inflammatory stupidity…and the conservatives and the GOP assisted by committing said inflammatory stupidity. And where did I get the idea? Of all people, RJ and his constant additions to his claims concerning Obama and the Libyan civil war!

  • Arch Conservative

    “As long as you demand dumb policies, you will get dumb politicians.”

    Glenn you haven’t seen dumb until you’ve spent some time in Massachusetts. That bastion of liberal enlightenment where leftists pretty much dictate every last crossed t and dotted i of state policy.

    A quick perusal of the some goings on in MA from the last year belies Glenn’s tired, incessantly, nagging and condescending insistence that all things liberal are inherently more practical, moral and just.

    Such as the illegal alien Nicholas Guamin who, while driving drunk, struck and killed 23 year old Matthew Deneice. Despite the fact that this was the third death involving illegals in the past two years, Governor Patrick and the liberal jetset elite that run MA could not be bothered to condemn what happened to Mr. Deneice nor support laws that would seek to determine the legal status of those detained for other reasons suspected of being here illegally.

    Then there’s the curious case of Anthony Mckay of Swampscott who, upon hearing someone breaking into his truck, where he keeps the tools for his carpentry job, in the driveway of his residence rushed outside to find a man who would be later identified as the junkie boyfriend of Mckays next door neighbor, rummaging through is personal items in his truck. When Mckay confronted the man the man pulled a knife on him so Mckay punched him in self defense and the man fell to the ground. Mckay held him there until the police arrived as Mckay had called them prior to going outside. Long story short the police charged mcckay with assault and the Essex County DA vigorously pursued charges against Mcckay that carried the possibility of several years in prison. The charges were only dropped after immense public scrutiny of the case was brought to bear by the talk radio shows in Boston as weel as the residents of MA who are shall we say not of the leftist persuasion. It’s a well known fact that in MA someone breaking into your home will eventually have more rights and be given more consideration by the MA judicial system then you if you choose to defend yourself. I’ve heard it’s like this in many other states where liberals hold the reigns of state government.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Arch –

    What you’re doing is cherry-picking – there will always, always be individual cases that beggar the imagination, that are epic in their failures. That’s true of any administration, red or blue.

    The problem lay more with policy – like the “transvaginal ultrasound required for any abortion”, or “drug testing for any welfare recipients” (but the GOP refuses bills for drug-testing state-paid politicians, strangely enough).

    There’s at least four out of the seven major GOP presidential candidates who said they believed it was “God’s will” that they run for president…and the GOP candidates who actually believe in evolution are becoming a minority, it seems…

    …all because that’s what their (ever-farther-to-the-Right) base wants.

    If you demand stupid policies, you WILL get stupid politicians.

  • Zingzing

    I’ve spent some to in MA. Failed to get killed by an illegal alien there.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Reversing the direction of the argument here, zing, compared to the one you and your buddy had used in connection with TSA, aren’t ye?

    Doing whatever’s expedient, depending on the occasion, huh? As long as it counters a point …

    You do inspire such a confidence, zing-o-zing, ‘case you didn’t know.

  • zingzing

    “Reversing the direction of the argument here, zing, compared to the one you and your buddy had used in connection with TSA, aren’t ye?”

    sort of. although i think you miss the point, which was about archie’s cherry-picking. all drunk drivers who kill people deserve jail, not just immigrants. do you want them to live in a “papers please” country? anything to counter a point, eh, roger?

    “Doing whatever’s expedient, depending on the occasion, huh?”

    not at all. at least i don’t live by dogma. (and you do see the hypocrisy of your post, right?)

  • http://indyboomer46.blogspot.com baritone

    I agree with zing regarding Arch’s tale about the immigrant drunk. It has little to do with illegal immigrants. We have plenty of alcohol saturated red blooded Americans who regularly destroy property, maim and kill others. It’s hardly the sole province of illegals.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I didn’t miss a point about Archie and I wasn’t talking about Archie. I was specific and clear enough to make certain my comment was about your response.

    So yes, you did reverse the direction of the argument you and Glenn had both used in the TSA case when you responded to Archie — because it was convenient for you to do so in this case and not in the other. Again, I call it being unprincipled and spineless.

    If that’s dogma to you, then I surely take it as a compliment.

    And no, you do know that I don’t agree with Archie’s argument and am on the same side of the immigration issue as you are. So there’s no hypocrisy here on my part whatever, just a critique of you. But then again, I don’t expect you to like it, and I didn’t say it so that you’ll like it.

  • Arch Conservative

    “I’ve spent some to in MA. Failed to get killed by an illegal alien there.”

    Good for you, you want f-ing cookie?

    I guess you guys chose to gloss over the part where I mentioned that it was the third death in 2 years in Milford caused by an illegal alien and I didn’t say that they were drunk driving deaths (big surprise there)

    The point is that the man was in the country illegally. If we actually enforced the laws regarding immigration based on the fact that they are laws rather than failing to enforce them for political reasons, Nicholas Guaman would not have been driving drunk in MA and Mr. Deneice would still be alive. But leave it to you guys to distort and equivocate the hell out something that’s fairly simple and straightforward. Maybe you should seeks positions on Deval Patrick’s staff.

    If Glenn knew the first thing about Massachusetts he’d know that I’m not cherry picking anything. Oh sure they have respected hospital and universities, but just don’t think about defending yourself in your own home or objecting to the tens of thousands of illegals you’re cohabitatitng with….no that’s just right win nonsense.

    It’s really no use in trying to have a debate with you Glenn as your narrow little mind is deeply entrenched in partisan politics and you’ve never really shown any attempt, at least not on this site, to escape that ignorant little paradigm. I don’t know where you currently reside but I’d venture to say you’d fit right in in Massachusetts. Another know it all leftist, the more the merrier………

  • zingzing

    actually, you kinda glossed over a few things, archie. you didn’t say a word about milford (and you didn’t bother to back it up with any links). a quick bit of research shows that in the guamin case, there is a detainer order which could result in his deportation after the criminal proceedings are finished.

    as for your other story about the car owner who got the charges dropped… well, he got the charges dropped. sure, it was a hassle, but if that’s the best you’ve got…

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/IanMayfield Dr Dreadful

    I guess you guys chose to gloss over the part where I mentioned that it was the third death in 2 years in Milford caused by an illegal alien

    Woulda coulda shoulda.

    Would you be as upset if it were the third death in two years caused by guys with only one tooth who “repair” cars on their front lawns and who insist on ripping the arms off their lumberjack shirts?

    People are always going to commit crimes whether they’re Mexicans, moon worshippers or the mayor of DC. Getting upset about the status of a criminal rather than the crime itself is, frankly, a bit twisted.

  • zingzing

    roger: “So yes, you did reverse the direction of the argument you and Glenn had both used in the TSA case when you responded to Archie — because it was convenient for you to do so in this case and not in the other.”

    amazing. you missed the point. you don’t get to say what my point is, i do. why do you have to be told this time and time again?

    besides, in order for your point (not mine, but yours,) to be true, it would have to be his illegal status that caused him to plow that guy. but it wasn’t… it was his drunkeness what did it. i’m against drunk driving and think that the law should be diligent in fighting it.

    “I call it being unprincipled and spineless.”

    and i call you dangerously shallow in your thinking.

    “So there’s no hypocrisy here on my part whatever…”

    you really don’t get it, do you? you’ll do anything to start a fight. i will too, but, damn, man… have some self-awareness.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Forget it, zing. Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

    Besides, I’ve got a Met live-broadcast going on, and it’s certainly more harmonious to my ears than your ruminations.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    And I have no idea [personal attack deleted by comments editor] where did you get a fucking idea I said being illegal had anything to do with any of those deaths. Like I said, I’m on your side of the immigration issue and concur in total with Dreadful’s previous comment: we’ve got enough of our own who are doing the crimes for a variety of reasons and we don’t need to dump it on illegals. So get off your high liberal horse, clean the wax out of your ears and wipe the scum of your reading glasses, whatever it takes, zingo, but don’t be coming to me with your empty gestures. The more you’re behaving like that, the more of a joke you are.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/IanMayfield Dr Dreadful

    Roger, if you’ve got no issue with zing’s argument, then what the fuck are you arguing with him for?

    Kind of demonstrated his claim that you just pick fights for the hell of it.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I wasn’t arguing with zing’s argument with Archie, only only with the form of zing’s argument, which was precisely the opposite of the way he was arguing on behalf of TSA, which, however grudgingly, he admitted. So don’t get dense on me now, or again are engaging in willful misreading (which serves no purpose in this case other than to defend your prodigy).

    In not being clearheaded and straightforward enough with his argument, zing acted sleazy in his response to Archie. I expect that of zing, but am going to call him on it when I see it. And when you’re defending zing’s sleaziness, you’re flirting with it as well.

    But then again, I suppose it would have never occurred to you than those you’d take “under your wing” could possibly suffer from a character defect.

    Well, that’s your problem, Dreadful, not mine. Just remember, one is apt to become like those whose company they keep.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/IanMayfield Dr Dreadful

    Roger, zing is quite capable of fending for himself without being “taken under my wing”, which I haven’t done and is more the sort of patronizing thing you would do.

    Still making shit up, then, aren’t you?

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    In that case, there is no need for you to be taking sides. It was all between the two of us until …

    But let’s forget it. I don’t fancy arguing the remainder of this Saturday, or any other day, just for argument’s sake, as you suggested.

  • troll

    (roger nowosielski – while it’s extremely tempting to get involved in the bullshit here I wish that you’d get back to work on your critique of liberalism…you’ve even got Chris interested in how it could be in conflict with ‘true democracy’)

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Of course. But it appears I’m writing to myself.

  • troll

    …I’m confident that some folks are following your presentation

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Now, now people – you DO realize, of course, that if we Dems were able to foist upon America what we think is right, all of you would be able to kiss and make up and no one would be offended by the fact that you did so?

  • Glenn Contrarian

    But hey – let’s get back to the fun stuff! It’s another round of Santorum on the House! And on the Senate, the Electoral College, the American people….

    Rick stated: “President Obama wants everybody in America to go to college, what a snob,” Yeah, what an elitist snob Obama must be for wanting more Americans to get a higher education! Since when do Americans need a higher education anyway?

    This one’s just plain funny – A Virginia GOP lawmaker said his wife had her own way of making known her opinion on his support of the mandatory transvaginal ultrasound bill – no sex. Republican politicians should really think twice about this – the positions they have at work may well determine the positions they have (or don’t have) at home.

    The Kansas GOP is doubling-down on trickle-down. It turns out that in the version of the bill approved by a House committee this week, half a million of the state’s poorest residents who earn less than $25,000 will wind up paying an average of $72 more per year, while the 21,000 Kansans who make over $250.000 will get an average tax cut of $1500. The Dems in Kansas are referring to this as “Robin Hood in reverse”.

    The American Petroleum Institute has come out on the attack against President Obama. Why? Because (they say) they don’t get any tax subsidies, and Obama wants to take away $4 Billion of those subsidies they don’t get! It’s “discriminatory”, they say.

    But let’s get back to Santorum. He says that what convinced him to run for president was Obamacare, because He Just Knows that Obamacare will result in denial of care for special-needs kids like his little girl because Obamacare will ration care based on the usefulness of an individual to society.

    I guess he didn’t get the memo that said the Affordable Care Act actually prevents insurance carriers from denying coverage to individuals with pre-existing conditions (and disabilities), prohibits health plans from putting a lifetime dollar limit on benefits and specifically invests in programs for people with disabilities. He also probably doesn’t realize that groups like the American Association of People with Disabilities, National Organization For Rare Disorders, and The Arc of the United States not only support the law, but have filed an amicus brief in its defense.

    ===============================

    But today’s Big Cup of Santorum contest goes to…Rick Santorum for his claim that forced euthanasia accounts for 5 percent of all deaths in the Netherlands. This cup of Santorum is an even better vintage since it’s aged gracefully since February 3rd – and went largely unnoticed until someone actually familiar with the Netherlands noticed a video on Right Wing Watch – and the Dutch press is having a field day mocking poor old Tricky Ricky.

    We’ll see you next time, same batcrap-crazy time, same batcrap-crazy channel, on the Tea Party’s favorite show, All My Sociopaths!

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    @61

    Doesn’t warm my heart even if it was true.

    Silence can be deafening. It’s like making you want to crawl under some rock so you’ll never be seen again.

    Where the fuck is Cindy? I’m certain to give her a piece of my mind, if not on BC than surely in private.

    Enough is enough!

  • Igor

    I was going to post on your Locke/Hobbes threads what I think is a valid didactic idea, but I thought it would get a huffy reception and then be ignored, because others don’t follow the threads (either) because their rejection threshold is low.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    You’re probably right. Not certain what you mean exactly by “rejection threshold.” Could be two things: (i) too abstract a language or (ii) because it hits too close home.

    I hope it’s the latter (since I am after effect). With respect to the former, I don’t think I can do much better. The format is too restrictive, and I want to keep it short and snappy, spoonful by spoonful, so I have to be concise.

    Besides, I’m growing impatient with lengthy expositions, especially on topic such as this, for one is liable to get lost in the maze. So I opted instead for a form of presentation which involves making of surgical, tactical moves, and I think I’ll leave the summation to the end once all the pieces are put together.

    It’s rather new format for me, still at experimental stages, so I’m not sure how it will work, but I suspect it might.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    In my opinion it’s the former, for as intelligent as most BC regulars are, your articles on political philosophy – no matter how good they are or aren’t – are still on, well, political philosophy. It’s sorta like we’re a bunch of proto-humans trying to beat each other up with bones and stones and we’re paying no attention whatsoever to this big black monolith that you’re trying to show us. Your articles on political philosophy are simply not that interesting to the BC regulars as a whole.

    Again, that is NOT a reflection on your articles. It actually says more about the BC regulars than it does about your writing.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Of course they’re not interesting in the sense in which current political events are interesting.

  • http://loftypremise.blogspot.com/ Tommy Mack

    Sorry I missed this when it was first published. It will be interesting to see if Rick can stick. There is a disconnection between his thought and his speeches. He makes Romney look like less of a dummy. His hypocritical calling Obama a snob is an example, since Rick has an MBA in addition to his BA and JD. We all know how well the country did with the last MBA we had in the White House.

    I don’t think he will make it. The primary scheme creates an endurance test as no other and candidates have not always been able to keep up a strong performance, such as Howard Dean or Gary Hart or Thomas Eagleton, a VP candidate for 18 days in 1972.

    Rick is so full of it, he just can’t admit it.

    Tommy

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