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Amid all the media fanfare during the run-up to the recent special election in California’s 50th congressional district, there is also a marvelous case of mainstream media omission. Here is a snippet from an LA Times story on the election:

Some analysts blamed Busby's loss on a gaffe during the campaign's final days, when at a rally she seemed to be encouraging illegal immigrants to vote. Before her comments, GOP officials in Washington were increasingly concerned about the outcome. But after Busby's comments Thursday night, momentum in the race switched.

So exactly when did the LA Times first report on this critical gaffe that occurred on June 1? The LA Times first mentioned it in the above story on June 8 – an entire week after it occurred and only after the election. The LA Times broke the news delicately to its readers without repeating the offensive text of the gaffe ("You don't need papers for voting.").

Of course if you wanted news of the Busby gaffe before the election, it was available in some places. The San Diego Union Tribune did have a story covering it before the election. Hugh Hewitt had it. Power Line blog had the audio recording, and the story reached the zenith of the blogosphere, Instapundit, on June 4. But the crucial words were deemed unworthy to be printed by newspapers such as the LA Times and the New York Times…until after the election. This media behavior reminds me very much of the 17 days in 2004 when the charges of the Swift Boat veterans were also unmentionable in the MSM, even though in retrospect both presidential campaign managers agreed that these charges represented the most crucial juncture of the campaign.

There should be a special term to describe this media behavior. So here is a proposed definition:

Swift Boat Hush (n.) – A behavior of the mainstream media during an election campaign characterized by a period of widespread silence concerning a news story that is severely embarrassing to a liberal candidate. The silence ends when it no longer shields the candidate from damage.

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  • Arch Conservative

    The swift boat strategy wouldn’t have been so successful if Kerry hadn’t stood up at the DNC and said” hey look at me … war hero over here….. no need to look at my senate record… war hero here running for president.”

    He brough it on himself and got what he deserved.

  • Joey

    Not to rain on anyone’s parade but the surprising fact is that Kerry collected more heroism awards in a shorter period time than even Audie Murphy. You should google Murphy and read the synopsis of action for each award he earned.

    That’s commendable. Or deceptively contrived.

  • JustOneMan

    Joey are we voting?

    Put me down for deceptively contrived.

  • JR

    Strange. I heard extensively about both this story (before the election) and the Swift Boat story, and I get my news from the main stream media. My experience would seem to directly contradict the assertion of this post.

    And why do you seem to place more importance on the L.A. Times than the San Diego Union Tribune if the voters were in the San Diego area?

  • http://squaringtheglobe.blogspot.com Harry Forbes

    Good question, JR.

    If you go to the SD story, it is just a single piece that does not get a big play in the paper. ‘National’ papers ignored the gaffe, but not the special election campaign. They had daily stories about it.

    Blogs and talk radio played the gaffe story up much more.

  • http://squaringtheglobe.blogspot.com Harry Forbes

    On that other point, JR; Can you point me to some MSM stories that covered this gaffe before the election (they would date from June 1-5)?

    I found very few references by searching Google news.

  • gonzo marx

    that’s funny..the full text AND audio was on Hardball BEFORE the election…

    now if we go with the Post’s phraseology…what do we call it when things are completely made up by the Rovians and the AM radio propagandists?

    oh ..that’s right…it’s already got a name….

    Fox

    Excelsior?

  • http://squaringtheglobe.blogspot.com Harry Forbes

    I disagree.

    Though I am ignorant of TV (by personal choice), I maintain that major newspapers did not report this quote before the election. After the election they called it ‘a turning point’. If it was on ‘Hardball’, why not mention it in the NYT, LAT, WaPo, etc?

  • JR

    I saw the story on CNN. It made a good TV/radio story because they had the quote on tape.

  • http://squaringtheglobe.blogspot.com Harry Forbes

    CNN?

    OK, JR. I am convinced of your point with respect to TV, but not with respect to newspapers. By and large, they did not run this story.

  • MCH

    Re comment #1;

    “The swift boat strategy wouldn’t have been so successful if Kerry hadn’t stood up at the DNC and said” hey look at me … war hero over here….. no need to look at my senate record… war hero here running for president.”
    He brough it on himself and got what he deserved.”

    John Kerry’s military service:
    2 tours in Vietnam
    3 Purple Hearts
    1 Silver Star
    1 Bronze Star

    Archie’s military service:
    None…

  • http://jpsgoddamnblog.blogspot.com JP

    Ha! MCH.

    If you’d listened to the words IN CONTEXT, it’s clear she was suggesting one doesn’t need voting papers to help the candidate’s team. The wording was poorly chosen, but if this were George Bush speaking it would have been written up as another case of Bush verbal gymnastics. Instead, because the speaker was a Democrat, it was framed as advocating non-citizen voting rights–which is far from what was being said.

    Whether non-citizens can legally work on a campaign is another question, and that may well be against the rules. If that were against the rules, to me that would be the story and would be fair game.

    But right wing radio blew this gaffe way out of proportion.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Not to rain on anyone’s parade but the surprising fact is that Kerry collected more heroism awards in a shorter period time than even Audie Murphy. You should google Murphy and read the synopsis of action for each award he earned.

    Joey, are you seriously trying to compare the things Kerry did to earn his medals to the actions Murphy took to win his? What a comparison demonstrates is how low the standards for those medals have gone, or else how great a range there is for qualifying for them, since Kerry’s actions are hardly comparable to Murphy’s.

    dave

  • Arch Conservative

    MCH do you ever make sense? Do you even try?

    What the fuck does my service or anythign about me have to dow ith John Kerry running for president?

    The point is that John Kerry ran for president based on his military service and asked us to completely ignore everything else about him. Then men WHO WERE THERE UNLIkE YOU MCH came out and stated Kerry was lying. They had issues with Kerry.

    Why don’t you try and adress the points instead of making dumbass comparisons of the poster and those who they are commenting on!

  • MCH

    “What the fuck does my service or anythign about me have to dow ith John Kerry running for president?”
    – Archie

    Umm, don’t you mean “non-service,” Archie?

    —————————-

    “Then men WHO WERE THERE UNLIkE YOU MCH came out and stated Kerry was lying. They had issues with Kerry.”
    – Archie

    “The Swiftboat vets attack on John Kerry was dishonest and dishonorable.”
    – John McCain (5 1/2 years POW, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart, Distinguished Flying Cross)

    Oh, and by the way Archie, since I served and you didn’t, I had 100% more chance of “BEING THERE” than yourself…

  • Arch Conservative

    MCH does it asgain………

    you served and I didn’t………

    and these two facts have bearing on John Kerry’s service and his ability to make a good president because?

    “The Swiftboat vets attack on John Kerry was dishonest and dishonorable.”
    – John McCain (5 1/2 years POW, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart, Distinguished Flying Cross)

    Yeah and John amnesty mccain is the last word on everything honorable right?

    What is dishonorable was John Kerry standing up at the DNC on the graves 59K dead Americans and saying vote for me because I’m a war hero.. what kind of douchebag would use a 30 year old war as his only reason for being president? why didn’t he want to discuss his senate record?

    bob dole and george bush are both world war 2 vets but they they didn’t feel the need to make their runs for president entirely about thier military service?

    oh if john kerry is such a fucking war hero beloved by every in the military why did the majority of them vote for Bush in 2004?

    oh and did you vote for clinton twice mch? how fucking important was military service to you then [Edited] MCH. You make these completely dumbass analogies between those whoom you disagree with and those who are the subjects of the discussions as if they in some way had some sort of relevance. Your posts bring absolutely nothing of value to the disccusions at BC.

    [Edited]

    From now on I am just going to ignore you completely.

  • Arch Conservative

    you edited the best part

  • Clavos

    MCH says #11:
    John Kerry’s military service:
    2 tours in Vietnam
    3 Purple Hearts
    1 Silver Star
    1 Bronze Star

    You posted this BS in another thread back on May 30.

    The actual truth is Kerry served five months, less than half of one tour, in Vietnam. He was sent back to the world under a policy to return thrice-wounded troops, but it is also worth noting that his first Purple Heart has been questioned by a lot of people, including the doctor who treated the “wound.”

    He also served aboard the USS Gridley, which was briefly in the Gulf of Tonkin, supporting aircraft carriers. During this time he was never in-country.

  • Clavos

    Harry Forbes,

    The phrase “Swift Boat Hush” is a great addition to the American lexicon, you should post it on the Urban Dictionary!

  • http://squaringtheglobe.blogspot.com Harry Forbes

    Good idea, Clavos. I submitted it.

  • Arch Conservative

    John Kerry is talking about running for president again. When asked about his chances he referred to a couple of presidents from the 1800’s who lost and then run and won.

    Man this guy mst be drinking the kool aid right out of Boston harbor if he actually thinks he can run again and win. For starters it won’t be just the GOP out to get him next time it will be the Clinton’s and their henchmen. Second if he ever did get his party’s nomination he wouldn’t be able to say “bush suucks and this war sucks,” nor would he be able to play the war hero card again. He would actually be forced to discuss his senate record which would work to his disadvantage when people fimd out what he’s really all bout.

    Kerry like his MA counterpart, Senator swimmer, is damaged goods and he will NEVER become president.

  • Bliffle

    I heard plenty about the Swift Boat Vets thing: no shortage of news. In fact, I heard more than the story deserved.

  • Arch Conservative

    Well if Kerry tries to run again you will hear it all over again Bliffle.

  • Bliffle

    I thought the swift boat thing was crap-reporting. Some of the swifters weren’t anywhere near, some recanted, and the whole thing sounded political. Worthless.

  • Arch Conservative

    Ok say the whole swift boat thing was crap Bliffle….

    That still doesn’t change the fact that Kerry tried to get elected on his military service alone. All Kerry talked about at the DNC was his service. “I’m John Kerry and I’m reporting for duty.” remmeber that one? Gee you think a guy with a 20 years in the Senate would have at least a few things to mention that he did while in the Senate…But not John Kerry…. Many men served honorably in Vietnam and other wars. They’re not all qualified to be president though.

    Why did the mainstream media totally ignore veterans who had nothing to do with the swift boat guys who had their own rallies in washington dc to protest john kerry?

    How do you account for the fact that the majority of the military vote went to Bush not kerry?

    The bottom line is that John Kerry has absolutely no shot at ever becoming president after his laughable 2004 campaign. Even the people who voted for him only did so because they hated Bush. They were like “gee this guy is kind of a phony with no real convictions but hey at least he’s not Bush so I guess I gotta vote for him.”

  • MCH

    “All Kerry talked about at the DNC was his service. “I’m John Kerry and I’m reporting for duty.” remmeber that one? Gee you think a guy with a 20 years in the Senate would have at least a few things to mention that he did while in the Senate…”

    Come on, Archie, your vociferous, bombastic, hate of John Kerry will never be loud enough to drown out the fact that he’s braver than you…

  • methuselah

    “Ok say the whole swift boat thing was crap Bliffle….”

    I think you’ve just conceded the point: the swiftboat thing was little reported because it was crap.

  • Nancy

    The whole point of why Kerry was playing up his service record was that he DID at least go to active service, while Junior pulled strings to stay at home, didn’t even stay for that, but ditched his stateside safety service after one meeting (& no physical) in order to go “work” & drink) on some political campaign for one of Poppy’s political buddies. This looked so bad for Bush, Rove then had to concoct anything he could to try to nullify Kerry’s actual service & make the public forget Junior’s complete lack of service – which he did, brilliantly. It was a political point that could have crippled Bush, and it damn near did.

    Personal feelings about Kerry aside, I can’t help but feel he – or anybody – would have made a better prez than Junior has, regardless of party affiliation.

  • Arch Conservative

    “The whole point of why Kerry was playing up his service record was that he DID at least go to active service, while Junior pulled strings to stay at home”

    Gee the Demaprty didn’t seem to have a problem with slick willie’s lack of service. That seems a tad hypocritical and the real reason he made his service his campign theme was because he knew his leftist senate record wouldn’t fly with middle america.

    “Ok say the whole swift boat thing was crap Bliffle….”

    I think you’ve just conceded the point: the swiftboat thing was little reported because it was crap.”

    No……. i’m just offering a hypothetical.. not conceding anything………..just because the mainstream media doesn’t cover something does not mean it is not true or newsworthy. The MSM nost definitely has an agenda so one must take everything they say or do with a grain.. make that a bucket of salt.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    Arch sez…
    *Gee the Demaprty didn’t seem to have a problem with slick willie’s lack of service. That seems a tad hypocritical *

    well now…pot..meet kettle

    can’t you see how both sides are so straight fucked on this one?

    here you have the hawkish GOP with an evader who disobeyed a lawful order to show up for his medical, thus not only violating his oath as an officer, but blowing a HUGE chunk of cash spent on him to learn to fly a fighter versus another skull and boner who actually got in-country before any alleged wussing out and who then protested the whole Nam thing afterwards

    NEITHER has an ethical leg to stand on…the part that strikes me as ludicrous are those who want ot bash Kerry for his time, there is SO much more to smack that puppy around for…but it IS the one thing where he totally smokes W on…

    and i am wondering, does the Newt Gingrich run Fox count as MSM? how about talk radio?

    how about, rather than the typical broad brush no thought bullshit smear…we stay specific…the person/network/Issue/incident…rather than just blanket shit like “liberals”, or “conservatives” or MSM and the like?

    silly of me, i know

    but it can’t hurt to try

    Excelsior?

  • Arch Conservative

    No pot and kettle here gonzo. The first time I ever had a problem with clinton and his lack of service when was the dems claimed it mattered when bush got elected.

    Deatha and taxes are no longer the onyl two certainties in life. I’d like to add a number 3.

    Massachusetts senators will always act like douchebags.

    Kerry and Kennedy…….. a more shining example of world class douchebags never existed. One drowned a woman with his car and the other used a 30 year old war and 59K dead American soldiers as a stepping stone to the presidency.

  • JustOneMan

    Gonzo…
    “here you have the hawkish GOP with an evader who disobeyed a lawful order to show up for his medical, thus not only violating his oath as an officer”

    You forgot that Dan Rather was outed on supporting this fairy tale…hmmmmm the left thinks that Clinton was a free thinker for writing a letter while in colleg stating that he detested the military …but Bush who served is guilty of somthing? Huh?

  • Arch Conservative

    “I voted for the war before I voted against.”

    “That’s not a flip flop.”

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    actually..the bit about not getting his medical is factual..look it up

    note, i didn’t say anything else..i have no hard evidence either way about a certain time frame during W’s guard days outside of a published picture of W attending the GOP convention for Nixon when he should have been on base…but a simple Pass can account for that….my only quibble mentioned was about missing his medical and being disQualified as a pilot

    slick Willie falls in with many others who went to school or got other deferrments…and many fo that generation from BOTH current sides of the aisle took those deferrments…and many took their number…how each did it is a portion of defining their Character as Individuals both pro and con, and is worth Consideration when it comes to the voters being informed and making their Choice while excercising their civic duty in the booth

    this is a problem….how?

    Excelsior?

  • JustOneMan

    The problem is that its a non-issue..If the military never took action at the time and no documents support any action against him-it is a non-issue…

    Peole can wish all they want or like Dan Blather make up documents to support their case…but there was never a case to be made…wishing it doesnt make it so!

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    i do hope i cleared that up from my viewpoint Arch…and we all know how you feel about them dadgummed flatlanders…

    Excelsior?

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Shall I point out that Gore did his time in Vietnam, and while he didn’t get any medals he also didn’t weasel out or miss any medical exams or protest the war afterward. But interestingly it wasn’t raised as a significant issue against Bush in 2000, only in 2004 because Kerry was trying to run on his spotty war record.

    Dave

  • Bliffle

    “…spotty war record.”

    One wonders at the spottiness of the speakers record.

  • MCH

    JustOneMan in comment #35;

    You need to check out http://www.awolbush.com

  • MCH

    “…and the other used a 30 year old war and 59K dead American soldiers as a stepping stone to the presidency.”

    The fact that a liberal democrat combat vet has shown more courage than the conservative republican keyboard warriors really is a tough pill to swallow, isn’t it…

  • MCH

    “The first time I ever had a problem with clinton and his lack of service when was the dems claimed it mattered when bush got elected.”
    – Archie

    So you had a problem with a guy with the same service experience as yourself? Hhmmm, nothing hypocritical there…

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    I just want to point out the last four posts as perfect examples of the politics of distraction. When they can’t engage in discussion based on the issue, the brainless partisans fall back on ad hominems, personal attacks and irrelevant distraction.

    Dave

  • MCH

    “…the brainless partisans fall back on…personal attacks…”
    – Dave Nalle

    Everytime you point the finger at someone else, there are three fingers pointing back at yourself, Nalle…

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Yes, but all three of them are your fingers, and they’ve been gnawed red by your compulsive fingernail biting to the point where everytime you adjust your sacred propeller beanie of self-righteousness you leave a telltale fingerprint of despair in the thin blood of those who live in the grayed-out world of outraged reaction with no genuine feelings, thoughts or emotions.

    Dave

  • ADS

    Anyone with a military background should be able to see through Kerry’s decorations. 2 extremely cheap Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star for pulling a man out of the water after he(Kerry) had accidentally dumped him in said water(it was his duty to retrieve the man, not an act of heroism), and a Silver Star for shooting 1 VC in the back. If everyone who killed a VC got a Silver Star, it would be just another “be there” medal. I know of one officer who traded Silver Star recommendations, with one of his fellow officer’s.

    Another point on Kerry!!!! Everyone talks about Bush using his father’s influence to get into the Nat’l Guard. What about Kerry’s assignment after returning from Vietnam? Admiral’s aide in his(Kerry’s) home town????? Can you say INFLUENCE, boys and girls!!!!

    Kerry’s military record looks good, but does not bear close scrutiny, which may be why he did not spend much time defending it!!!

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    point of Order…

    for all i dislike Kerry and think he was a shitty candidate..

    as far as his military time goes…i think he did far mroe service actually being in country as opposed to another who disobeyed a direct order and missed his medical exam, disqualifying him as a pilot after he had recieved his training…

    so, diss Kerry all you like, it’s not going to make W look any better…and instead shows just how bankrupt this whol incident is…

    it’s ONLY about trying to smear someone for political advantage…and for this, dirty tactics were used

    so much for any semblance of the “moral high ground”

    nuff said

    Excelsior?

  • ADS

    Hey Gonzo,
    I can’t stand W!!! I also can’t stand the feeling that I’m always asked to choose between the lesser of 2 evils.
    BUT, the truth is, Kerry didn’t defend his record, or incvite close scrutiny of it, because there isn’t much there to defend. It’s a phony record, and he knows it. He used the system to get out of Vietnam, used influence to get a cush position in his home town, used his influence to get a conditional discharge to run for Congress. When he lost, it’s my understanding that he was supposed to complete his obligation to/in the reserves, but just like W, he didn’t.
    They both used influence and both ducked out on part of their obligations.

    As far as moral highground, compare Kerry’s “in-country” service or W’s lack thereof to John McCain’s. McCain had an out, a very attractive out, but had the integrity to turn down special treatment. Whether you like him or not, he exhibited far more classd and personal integrity than either of the other 2.

    Kerry is as phony as W is poorly spoken.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    ADS sez…
    *Kerry is as phony as W is poorly spoken.*

    Quoted for Truth

    i’m with you there, and in 2000 i was about ready to work for McCain’s campaign…until he folded like an accordian after the Rovian shit in the Carolina primaries…after that he kissed ass so that he could get the “pioneer” list for ’08

    but i DO agree that McCain’s service gives him a leg up, as does Murtha’s…as did Admiral Stockdale’s when he ran as VP under Perot

    now Perot was a joke, but in the VP debate…and counting the Presidential candidates as well, Stockdale was the ONLY one ni the mix i would have trusted with “the button”

    but i digress

    Excelsior?

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    MCH – neither you or Kerry can claim those medals…the dickhead through them away…remember?

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    Andy..c’mon…you know and i know, even if someone throws their medals away…they still earned them

    as i have stated, i don’t like Kerry and thought he was about the shittiest candidate i’ve seen in quite a while…add to that the worthless Edwards and you would think they woudl have gotten Mondale’d in the election

    as it was, History shows that this nimrod just barely lost to W

    so, say what ya like about Kerry’s protest after being discharged…but he was in, he was there…while W disobeyed a lawful order by missing his medical exam and thus was disqualified as a pilot and Cheney had “other things to do” and slick Willie was in England and Gore was in-country as an army journalist

    hope that helps illuminate the facts for proper assessment

    Excelsior?

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    I wonder why he waited until after the election to sign the SF-180…it’s my understanding that there really is nothing in there that would have hurt him! If it would have done anything it should have helped him to sign it…is he really that stupid?

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    who knows Andy, and who the fuck cares? he’s a non-Issue except in Mass…

    so why fall fo rthe Distraction about a non-Issue?

    why not stay away from the bullshit chum in the water, and pay Attention to what is really going on rather than what you get steered to?

    just a thought for a homeboy squidley

    Excelsior?

  • Clavos

    BUT, the truth is, Kerry didn’t defend his record, or incvite close scrutiny of it, because there isn’t much there to defend. It’s a phony record, and he knows it. He used the system to get out of Vietnam, used influence to get a cush position in his home town, used his influence to get a conditional discharge to run for Congress. When he lost, it’s my understanding that he was supposed to complete his obligation to/in the reserves, but just like W, he didn’t.
    They both used influence and both ducked out on part of their obligations.

    All true, ADS.

    The only part you left out was how he dissed all the rest of us in front of Congress in 1971–IMO, THAT was completely reprehensible; because what he said was untrue, in particular his allegations of having personally witnessed atrocities committed by US troops.

    Even then, he was setting the stage for his entry into politics–the throwing of the medals over the WH fence made a great photo op, which is why he did it.

    He launched his political career by impugning the reputations of every one of us who served incountry, and later used his own service to make himself more credible in the voters’ eyes–what hypocrisy!

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    gonzo – I fell for that particular distraction because a CMH winner and the most decorated soldier since MacArthur looked at me through my TV and told me that he didn’t trust JK and I shouldn’t either…I don’t recall another CMH winner telling me to trust him…and because of my background…which I won’t bring up here lest I read the ire of MCH…I have a tendancy to listen to CMH winners.

  • Nancy

    Arch, I know I’m a little late (I’m still in & out of hospital) but the reason most people don’t have a thing about Clinton’s lack of service is that he was up front about it. He didn’t serve, and he didn’t pretend he did, nor did he try to imply he did, nor did he try to stretch the meager facts to make it LOOK like he did. Therefore, while he can be hanged for not serving, he can’t be smeared for lying about it or trying to fake it.

    Junior, on the other hand, tried to make out that he’d served his term the whole 9 yards, while in fact he only showed up to one meeting, then ducked all subsequent required meetings, training sessions, and physicals. He was exposed when the unit COs admitted there were NO records confirming his appearance or attendance anywhere for that unit at any time, i.e. he was AWOL, a most dishonorable & disgusting thing, and to add insult to his fellows who did show & serve, he then tried to represent himself as having been a full participant. He’s just a liar. THAT is where his sin is: not only the evasion, but lying about it long afterwards.

    I can sort of forgive someone for trying to avoid getting posted to active duty, as long as they were able to do so on their own (and not because Poppy & Mummy had pull & gobs of money); I have no lenience for anyone who avoided it, but then years later found it inconvenient to have done so, who then tries to fake it & pretend he did, too, serve, when in fact he was playing at electioneering for one of daddy’s buddies while mostly being drunk & partying.

  • MCH

    “MCH – neither you or Kerry can claim those medals…the dickhead through them away…remember?”
    – Andy Marsh

    As I’ve said before Andy, ad nauseam, Kerry was not my first choice. My man was/is John McCain, whose patriotism was slimed by two draft-dodgers (Karl Rove and Dick Cheney) and a deserter (GW Bush) during the 2000 GOP primary.

    —————————

    “The only part you left out was how he dissed all the rest of us in front of Congress in 1971–IMO, THAT was completely reprehensible; because what he said was untrue, in particular his allegations of having personally witnessed atrocities committed by US troops.”
    – Clavos

    Is it possible that GW Bush’s actions – ie, missing a mandatory physical, resulting in permanent grounding and wasting $1 million spent on his training; and going AWOL from the last two years of his cushy meetings – was a silent protest?

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    MCH – I’d say if anyone on BC knows ad nauseum…you’d be the guy!

  • MCH

    Re #57;

    Yep.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Son of a…MCH, you made me laugh!

  • MCH

    …and shouldn’t it have been “THREW them away…”

    …instead of “through”…(?)

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    how about this…he tried to throw them over the fence but the all the pussy could muster was to throw them through the fence…

    and just for you…20 years fucker!

  • MCH

    well, that’s 20 more than RJ, Archie and Nalle, at least…

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Actually, it was only 19 years 4 months and 18 days….and as of Friday, I’m officially done…even with Fleet Reserve!!!

  • MCH

    Actually, I respect you and the hundreds of thousands of other guys and gals who’ve been able to stick it out all the way…After the first two years, I was so homesick and missed the Montana mountains so bad (and was tired of taking orders from people who couldn’t make it on the outside), I counted down every day for the next two years until I got out…

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    I got out after 3 years with the same attitude…but I actually liked the navy…and made the choice that if everyone that hated it got out it’d just stay FUBAR…so…I went back in and fixed what I could fix. I made life better at every command I was ever stationed at…more liberty…more training…invited shipmates to my house during holidays…monster parties at my house…whatever I could do in my own little way…I even made a few friends that are still friends today!

    I have seen things and done things that too many other people will never have the opportunity to do or see…I’m still all fucked up…but I have a lot more experiences that have made me this fucked up! I guess you could say…I’m a more rounded kinda fucked up…and I like it!

  • Tony S

    What bizarro universe does this poster live in? I saw this story EVERYWHERE leading up to the election. And the Swift Boat story? Literally DELUGED in the papers online news and news networks. I couldn’t STOP hearing about it. Dude if your going to go all black helicopter on us, at least pick something that is more easily twisted into a conspiracy.

  • canguy

    I agree with Tony S. There was tonnes of coverage of both of these events. I remember at the RNC all the people wearing the purple bandage on themselves. If I were a vet I’d be more pissed at them mocking the purple heart medal, and doing it to support W, who saw zero hostile environment time. Now that is hipocritical!!

  • http://squaringtheglobe.blogspot.com Harry Forbes

    Please read the post, Tony.

    The ‘hush’ is referring to the first 17 days after the story broke (on Aug 5). It was all over the blogs, on talk radio, etc, but it was not mentioned in the NYTimes or the Boston Globe or other major newspapers that were writing stories daily on the Kerry campaign. They didn’t mention it for about 2 1/2 weeks. Their first major stories were posted on about August 21. Check the record.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    true nuff…it took a while for those reporters to actually gather the Facts of the matter and show many of the inconsistencies of the “swift boat” crowd…

    like those who stated eyewitness accounts, but were then found to have been miles away according to Navy records

    there’s more, but you get the Idea

    for partisan hatchet men to be pissed that not all media followed lemming like down the road of half assed and mostly unfounded accusation merely to smear a candidate is a ludicrous position to begin with

    Excelsior?

  • MCH

    “The only part you left out was how he dissed all the rest of us in front of Congress in 1971–IMO, THAT was completely reprehensible; because what he said was untrue, in particular his allegations of having personally witnessed atrocities committed by US troops.”
    – Clavos

    His atrocities testimony reminds me of several dozen of the Swifties, who lied and said they personally witnessed Kerry’s service, when in fact they were actually stationed elswehere at the time.

    Is it possible that GW Bush’s actions – ie, missing a mandatory physical, resulting in permanent grounding and wasting $1 million spent on his training; and going AWOL from the last two years of his cushy meetings – was a silent protest?

  • http://squaringtheglobe.blogspot.com Harry Forbes

    Not so fast, Gonzo.

    Gathering the facts is one thing, but these papers who had multiple reporters embedded in each campaign said nothing, nada, zero, zilch about the Swift Boats for the first 2 1/2 weeks.

    Why?

    By a strange ‘coincidence’, the Kerry camapign during that same period did exactly the same thing. They refused to discuss any questions related to the Swifites (as campaign manager Cahill later admitted). See: this post.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    Harry..did you miss when i said this….

    *for partisan hatchet men to be pissed that not all media followed lemming like down the road of half assed and mostly unfounded accusation merely to smear a candidate is a ludicrous position to begin with*

    in other words..if i ask you “how long has it been since you stopped beating your wife and raping your kids?” at a campaign rally…and you don’t answer…then some papers don’t cover it….i shoudl be suprised?

    Excelsior?

  • http://squaringtheglobe.blogspot.com Harry Forbes

    Except the first question they asked Kerry to answer was “Where were you really during Christmas 1968?” He had one answer written in the Congressional Record (Cambodia) and a completely different answer in his campaign biography.

    That seems like a fair question to me, and one that could be easily answered…not a ‘half-assed and mostly unfounded accusation’.

  • MCH

    Is Kerry’s discrepancy on his whereabouts during the Christmas of 1968 worse than GW Bush’s explanation on why he wasn’t flying at Dannelly AFB in 1972?

    During the 2000 campaign, Bush stated that the reason he wasn’t flying at Dannelly was “because they didn’t have the same kind of planes there.” The truth was, he had been permanently grounded from flying several months prior to his transfer for missing a mandatory physical.

    Oh, and something else. Another reason he couldn’t fly possibly have flown at Dannelly was because somehow he FORGOT TO EVEN SHOW UP!!

  • JustOneMan

    News Flash For All Kerry Supporters…

    The election is officially over and George Bush WON……AGAIN!

  • Nancy

    No, he didn’t: his henchmaggots stole/fixed the elections. He’s not legitimately the president, and never has been.

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com Andy Marsh

    Nancy – I’d like to suggest you start drinking bottled water…there seems to be something in your water supply…where ever you are!

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Re: #74, and yet somehow those evil bastards in the National Guard gave the man an honorable discharge and wrote off the last few months of his enlistment – hey, just like they did for thousands of others including John Kerry. We should start rousting the retirement homes for the ranking officers of that era and torture them to death.

    Dave

  • zingzing

    bush won, we lost. doesn’t matter how he won it, fair, legal, or not… doesn’t change a thing. oh, “gore should have been president, kerry should have been president…” blah, blah, who cares now? after getting raped in the ass for 8 years straight, what could be worse? there’s nowhere to go but up in 2009!

  • ADS

    ZINGZING,
    We’ve been “raped in the ass” fort 16 years!!!!!!!!!!!! And IT COULD GET WORSE!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    there’s nowhere to go but up in 2009!

    Zing. Make sure you’re still around BC in 2009 so I can remind you of this and laugh at you.

    Dave

  • ADS

    Dave Nalle – There’s nowhere to go but up

    Don’t say or even think that!!!!!!!!! With all the primaries grouped the way they are, it’s just a popularity contest, and stranger things than W(or Kerry) could happen.

    How’s President Howard Dean sound!!!!!!!!!

    Quietly, very quietly, hope that 2 real, qualified, candidates are nominated.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    I won’t be holding my breath, ADS.

    Dave