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The “Research” Behind the Hypergravity Whole Body Vibration Platform

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The Power Plate people aren’t the only crew out there trying to bamboozle the public into thinking that Whole Body Vibration (WBV) training offers a viable alternative to real exercise, as the folks at Hypergravity are hyperventilating over their vibrating platform.

Here’s a look at the Hypergravity website and the studies they offer as proof that their product does what they say it does.

As I mentioned in my previous piece on this gadget, the home page of the Hypergravity site tells us “Vibration technology is based on Russian research and development. It reached its peak when Russian cosmonauts were able to regain bone mass (which was lost due to lack of gravity in space) using advanced vibration technology. Today NASA is working with similar technology: Whole Body Vibration (WBV) to stop and possibly reverse the loss of bone density.”

But we’re never given any details about this “research.”

The “research” the Hypergravity people provide that is supposed to show us that NASA has unlocked the secrets of WBV is nothing but some old articles about proposed WBV studies.

The Hypergravity website has a “Researches” (sic) section that provides us with links to studies that – in the Hypergravity people’s world – are supposed to prove WBV training works.

Let’s go right to the “Researches” section of the Hypergravity website to see what kind of “researches” there is to support the claims of the Hypergravity folks.

When clicking on the link titled, Acute whole body vibration training increases vertical jump and flexibility performance in elite female field hockey players, we’re taken to a summary of a study on the site. This summary tells us that 18 female field hockey players were studied and those who trained with a protocol that included WBV were able to increase their vertical jump and flexibility.

This summary doesn’t use precise language to quantify these increases, but employs the phrase, “there was a positive interaction effect on vertical jump and flexibility parameters following WBV.” This statement is just nonsense as we aren’t told exactly what these “increases” are and what the “parameters” are. This summary concludes with the statement that says muscles that are less exposed to this vibration don’t receive any performance enhancing benefits. So much for a person’s upper body.

And perhaps the Hypergravity people don’t want you to know a study done at Appalachian State titled Acute Effects of Whole Body Vibration on Muscle Activity, Strength and Power and published in the National Strength and Conditioning Association’s Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research, found WBV training only increased vertical jump by a paltry .7%. That’s point-seven percent, not seven percent. That’s like buying something for $100 and someone saying, “Hey, let me knock seventy cents off for you.” Gee thanks, Dude!

In this study, the researchers posited this minute improvement in vertical jump could have been due to other, non-WBV training related factors.

Also, the Appalachian State study found that WBV training did not increase any other performance variable. And while the Hypergravity folks didn't site this study, this lukewarm-at-best news didn’t prevent the Power Plate people from using this Appalachian State Study as “proof” that WBV can improve athletic performance.

Let’s move on to the next piece of “research” provided for us on the Hypergravity site, a little piece titled Vibrations and their applications in sport. A review. This is nothing more than a paragraph that summarizes the concept of WBV, makes no mention at all about any sports applications of WBV, and the summary is authored by the person who conducted most of the research he was summarizing.

The best line in this summary is the conclusion, in which the author writes, “The intensity and duration of vibration used in Vibration Training dramatically exceed the standards for occupational vibration established by the International Organization for Standardization.” The IOS is the world’s largest developer of standards.

This means the intensity of the vibrations used in this kind of “training” would not be recommended in the workplace. So one could make the case that even if WBV training did do something, to get these purported benefits a person would have to be exposed to potentially dangerous/injurious levels of vibration. Sounds great to me!

Now onto the link titled, Will WBV training help increase the range of motion of the hamstring? Of course, the author of this study concludes WBV should be recommended to athletes who want to increase their range of motion, but if you look at the study there are some glaring inconsistencies.

Question: What is a WBV training study that includes glaring inconsistencies and design flaws? If you’re a WBV huckster, the answer is “Part of our marketing materials!” Anyway, back to our show.

The problem with this study is that while both groups studied engaged in an active form of flexibility training — the contract-release method — the WBV training group, immediately before performing each stretching exercise, assumed a 90 degree squat on the vibration platform for 30 seconds while the control group did nothing.

A properly designed study would have four groups — a group that squats on the platform prior to each stretch, a group that does nothing prior to each stretch, a group that assumes a static 90 degree squat on a non-vibrating surface, and a group that performs some type of low-intensity dynamic movement such as jumping jacks or body weight squats on a non-vibrating surface for 30 seconds.

Without including some kind of active movement for at least one group in this study, the conclusion can’t be made that WBV training itself is responsible for any improvements in ROM. A group active while stretching is always going to show greater gains in flexibility when compared to a group performing only flexibility exercises.

The giveaway that this study is a set up from the design standpoint is the author concludes “on the basis of the findings from this study, athletes who want to gain ROM in the hamstrings should use WBV training in combination with contract-release stretching.” The author of this study never discusses the possibility of increased ROM in the WBV group could be attributed to the fact that this group was placed in a position where the hamstrings were engaged/working and as a result would be more receptive to the flexibility exercise.

In light of the exorbitant price of these vibration platforms, you would think a responsible researcher would have conducted a more thorough investigation before making the leap that WBV alone can increase hamstring ROM better than other more traditional and “cost less” options.

This study — and the conclusion reached by the researcher — serves as a great example of studies designed so a positive outcome is guaranteed.

The fourth study served up on the “Researches” page is titled Effect of whole-body vibration exercise on lumbar bone mineral density, bone turnover, and chronic back pain in post-menopausal osteoporotic women treated with alendronate. This is yet another great example of how a study is designed to arrive at a predetermined, and positive, outcome.

This study involved fifty post-menopausal women suffering from osteoporosis and lower back pain, between the ages of 55-88. These women were all taking the drug alendronate, also known as Fosomax, which is used to treat and prevent osteoporosis. Right here you have the classic ploys of studying the elderly – sorry all of you 50 and 60 year olds! – and the chronically impaired. This kind of data just doesn’t translate to the rest of the population.

The fifty women were split into two groups, both of which were taking alendronate; one group did nothing and the other group stood on a vibration platform once a week for 4 minutes, for a year. The study found the only difference between the two groups after the 12 months was that the group using the platform experienced less back pain. There are no details as to how this “less back pain” was defined or quantified.

Most noticeably, there was no difference in the bone density measurements between the two groups.

The flaws in the design of this study are obvious, including how these 50 women were grouped, and what these groups did. Actually, what they DIDN’T do. Just as in the above mentioned hamstring study, there aren’t enough groups in this study. In addition to the women taking the drug and the women taking the drug and standing on the vibration platform, there needed to be a group performing some other type of low-intensity exercise. The inclusion of this third group would have allowed the researchers to determine if WBV training alone could be responsible for reducing back pain and/or how WBV compared to traditional modes of exercise in reducing back pain.

Additionally, since this study didn’t see any WBV-induced increases in bone mass, if my proposed third group were included in this study the researchers also could have looked at how medicated exercise compared to medicated inactivity and medicated WBV training with regard to developing bone mass. But then again, this detail would have forced the WBV industry to come to grips with the fact WBV doesn’t offer anything special.

Incredibly, these studies are being offered up as proof WBV training offers benefits. The only reason I can think of as to why this research is even being done is these WBV platform makers are trying to make the case to the rehabilitation industry that these gadgets somehow have a place in legit settings.

The Hypergravity site offers up this dreck as their top 5 reasons to buy their equipment, so how can we hope that any of these other studies will offer up anything better? Rather than just say, “we can’t,” I’ll take a look at the next five studies on the Hypergravity site in a few weeks.

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  • Vic

    They’re just preying on the fact that many people will do anything to avoid REAL exercise and are forever looking for that magic bullet shortcut.

    Not that it’s an excuse for trying to rip people off…


  • Derek Daniel

    Finally! Sal that is some good honest to goodness deconstruction of B.S

    WBV has one clear cut winner in all of this. The Galilleo/Vibraflex system. The research is solid, peer reviewed, and independent.
    This device seems to be the research reason why WBV is picking up speed and the others are just “jumping on the bandwagon”. I bought one for my studio and have had good results with clients over the past 4 months.

  • Derek Daniel

    oh yeah here is their link

  • sal m

    it doesn’t matter what company makes this type of machine, as they are all junk.

    as a matter of fact, the flawed study that i mention above in which 50 post-menopausal who were taking Fosomax used WBV, involved the Gallileo contraption.

    what possible good result could you have acheived in a 4 month period?

  • Derek Daniel

    Sal: I hear ya but dont throw the baby out with the bath water. i agree it is not the “be all end all” but there is substantial research besides what you mentioned. I followed nearly the same path you did but found a researcher at the NSCA conference who was more of a skeptic than I was and he turned me on to the differences. Trust me I am with you on the BS side of research methods but do a little re-digging on this one and you may be pleasantly surprised. Check the site biblio….it is either or Galileo, I cant spell it.

    trust me b4 I dropped 10k I read every one of those studies and got on myself.

    I found this blog by total accident…I am glad. nice work

  • Joan Bias

    I tried one of these machines and it vibrated my wallet right out of my pocket and then vibrated hundreds of dollars out of the wallet!

    Some stupid people will do anything to avoid getting off the fucking couch and putting down the Doritos. Here’s a bestselling, surefire fitness plan: Move more, eat less. That’ll be $5000.

  • Derek Daniel

    Don’t except bull but don’t be closed minded either.

    Here is what I came up with during an exhaustive review of WBV.
    There are two schools of thought:
    1. Straight up and Down motion at speeds(htz) above 30 (power plate, hypergravity, Vibrogym)
    2. teeter tooter (balance board) movement at speeds 1-30 htz. (Vibraflex, GAllieo)

    The theory behind the two are distinct.
    1. PP, etc… it seems tried to elicit a tetonic response
    2. Vibraflex, Gallileo, tried to elicit the involuntary stretch reflex (think patella tap) which has been verifed to fire maximally on average at about 20-27 htz (EMG verified).
    The planes of motions are also important. I could not figure it out why they just did not choose a motion and apply the different htz but I found out it boils down to a patent. The balance board motion was patented and so no one could copy the Vibraflex/galielo group. OK so my next challenge was seperating all of the research into garbage and decent stuff. Once you seperate the two motions and speeds it becomes lopsided. The Galileo/Vibraflex kills,except for a couple of research docs which I thought were not set up very well(the bone density one Sal mentions was one of three) the rest stood up well. Good researchers, good programs, decent methods for this Galilleo group. The PP was also putting their competitors research on their site and hoping/praying that no one would see that they were espousing the benefits of the research on a device that was not theirs….not a good way to get me to trust them. They have taken it off since and the list is way smaller but still I wanted to see for myself.
    Then I got on each one. I liked the PP except the eye pressure made me nervous and they kept making me bend way down into a 90 degree squat, it was weird, why could I not just slightly bend without pain? next was the Vibraflex, it was intense but still somehow felt good, it was a strange feeling. I could not find any detailed commentary in the research on how the subjects described the feeling, not hard enough science I suppose. Anyways, I asked the Vibraflex rep and he had absolutely no good answer as to why it felt different. This is where the researcher at the NSCA last yr got me interested. The teeter tooter (balance board motion) is the natural ambulatory motion, one hip hiking one dropping, etc… The combination of the reflex firing and the natural motion makes the Vibraflex work. It made sense now. I consider it a motor recruitment and circulation tool and so it will be an important PART of my program for my athletes and clients. Not the only part but I have to say I like it way more than I thought I would. The way I see it is that the motor recruitment/neural component is the least understood, most difficult to measure, and so it does require more research as to the mechanism and truly may be awhile before we understand it fully or we may never understand it fully…but it is here to stay. i sent my athletes into pre season with vastly improved reaction times and they were setting personal bests all summer. I also tried it with the “civilians” and they had both positive acute responses and have maintained improvements throughout….hey you all have the benefit of a lot of soul searching because I really wanted to buy a new power rack and a woodway treadmill…

  • sal m

    all the techno-jargon does is purposely confuse/intimidate people to cover for the fact that there is not a shred of research to justify the use of the extremely costly WBV gadgets in place of traditional and proven methods of exercise.

    feel free to provide links to any research data that you feel proves that WBV is effective.

  • Derek Daniel

    Sal: the “techno jargon” you mention is basic physiology, you seem to have formed an opinion upon the understanding of that same basic science so you at least owe it to yourself and the blog to counter the argument with some more facts…that is the definition of debate. As I said I think you have good points about the Powerplate being garbage and a few of the studies being weak but this technology has potential and if you disagree by saying there is not a “shred of research” and there is, well then you become the BS. I will try to find the link and send it to you. I only have the hard copies that i printed.

  • Derek Daniel

    it is on the Vibraflex site

    I will try to find the exact link for research on the page and outline which studies impressed me

  • sal m

    in an effort to clarify, i think wbv is garbage. the different machines are just different brands of garbage.

    the techno-jargon used in the marketing materials is not basic physiology, but irrelevant science that is being severely misapplied misrepresented.

    and it is more than just a few bad studies; all of the studies that have been provided by proponents of wbv are demonstrably flawed.

  • Derek Daniel

    Sal: Regardless of your opinion of WBV, I did my due deligence and if you challenge my understanding of the science you had better bring your textbooks to the blog for the next week. Your blanket statements and summaries make you sound like a “bad talk radio” caller.

  • Derek Daniel

    Significant results in a study done by Univ of Miami School of medicine: Researcher was the former Strength Coach of the University of Miami and went on to be the Director of the Miami Project for paralysis (christopher Reeve Project for Paralysis) I would guess he would not buy garbage…

  • Derek Daniel

    I have some patients which I thought would benefit from the pelvic wall strength improvements. Here is a study which showed significant improvement. This German has extremely forward health care philosophy’s so I thought this was a very good study.

  • Derek Daniel

    Although this was a postmenoposal research study it confirmed my thoughts on the neural mechanism being the key to the WBV Vibraflex due to summary notes stating that it had a concurrent increase in power and velocity but a neutral effect on force. I realized the neural component was also where I could improve movement patterns for my pro athletes with past injuries which inhibited their movements vis a vis, apprehension, etc..

  • Derek Daniel

    This study was interesting because I wondered about the long range benefits. I was convinced of the acute benefits and this study sealed the deal on my long term considerations. I still cannot understand why in the short term strength decreased and after 6 months bone density increased but nevertheless the results were significant and i dont pretend to know everything.

  • Derek Daniel

    Sal: digest all of those studies and perhaps we can continue a science based discussion on how all WBV is not the same and that although the powerplate and some of the other BS platforms are garbage the one I spent my “hard earned” money on, Vibraflex, has enough research to convince the people who actually know what the hell we are doing to buy it….or just tell everyone the world is flat and fire comes from a firegod….

  • sal m

    the study that you provide the link to on the orthometrix site doesn’t involve a control group, but looks at one group of 20 people all standing on the vibration gadget, and then some measurements were taken.

    i don’t care who the authors are, a flawed study is a flawed study.

    this is just another case of another flawed study conducted by people that have an agenda, just like in the study involving hamstring flexibility that was provided by the hypergravity people.

    if this study that you provide for us was legit there would have been other groups involved. since you obviously didn’t read the entire critque above i suggest that you familiarize yourself with the concept of control groups.

    and since you seem to think that this study proves the efficacy of WBV why don’t you explain for us why the increased knee torque experienced by subjects in this study is so earthshattering.

    furthermore, you haven’t told us what kind of success that you’ve acheived in 4 months with equipment that costs many thousands of dollars, and why this “success” is better than anything that could be accomplished with other, proven, non-equipment based, less-expensive options.

  • sal m

    and the study on WBV and it’s affect on stress incontinence is flawed in that in all three groups, wbv training was used in conjunction with other modes of treatment. given this feature of the study there is no way to make the assumption, as the researchers do in this case, that WBV had any role in improving a person’s continence.

  • Derek Daniel

    Sal: You are way off base on assumptions

    First off this is INDEPENDENT research!!! Researchers must disclose if they are sponsored. Think GATORADE studies sponsored by GATORADE. You better not have ever had a a gatorade if you are serious about that philosophy of yours. THE GROUP I CHOOSE, VIBRAFLEX, ARE NOT SPONSORING ANYTHING. No plot to take over the world one platform at a time, just a bunch of four eyed researchers trying to stay employed by their respective universities.

    Second assumption: These are research subjects, they fill out questionaires. To qualify for any Stress incontinence study you have to have been diagnosed and treated with P.T. And so the study was done in conjunction with P.T. READ THE STUDY

    THird Assumption: No one is saying that ALL YOU NEED IS WBV. JUst like no one says ALL YOU NEED ARE PLYO’s or ALL YOU NEED IS TO STRETCH. I began this blog agreeing with you on this important point but you are going overboard. Research studies must eliminate certain outside variables and include others. Would a person with stress incontinence be told all they need is WBV? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Should they be told to use it in conjunction with a carefully constructed P.T program, YES, IF THEY HAVE RESEARCH. SEE ABOVE….AGAIN

    Fourth Assumption:

    Four months are not enough time to get improvement. THis is just nuts. First off most of the research studies that have changed the entire Strength and CONditioning field and PT field are 8-12 week studies. Quick math…12 weeks=3months<4 months= there goes another one of your increasingly wild assumptions.The seminole periodization studies were 12 weeks so where the strength studies, creatine studies. Entire collegiate programs and Pro programs with brilliant coaches who have dedicated their careers to understanding human performance are shaped by studies which are 3 months long. OF COURSE 4 MONTHS IS AN ACCEPTABLE TIME FRAME FOR THE MEASUREMENT OF EFFICACY. I will post some results if I need to but I can say anything, why not read what the research says….and I have 6 other studies to still send you.

    Fifth assumption= Percent increases dont matter.You obviously do not train athletes where half a step is = to millions of dollars. Do you care if your running back runs a 4.9 instead of a 4.5? Why do you care? that is only a .4 difference? The entire field of study of strength and conditioning examines how to get incremental consistent improvement so that is why increased knee torque results are important.

    Again just listen to what I am saying. All WBV is not the same. There is a superior device, the Vibraflex. you were exposed to the shit side of WBV and now you are being exposed to the up side.

    I hope for a better response….

  • Derek Daniel

    Research study done by the NYU school of medicine and the Rusk institute,arguably one of the top 10 research facilities (Spinal cord) in the U.S

    Small group due to limitations on spinal cord injury subjects but results promising enough to be published.

  • Derek Daniel

    Bosco was considered one of the best researchers in Human performance. He CLEARLY supports the Vibraflex in this study (26htz) and then goes on to conservatively say it is not a “substitute” but an promising “addition”. He shows significant results.

  • sal m

    once again, a study that focuses on the infirm…the results of this study in no way translate to any member of the general population that does not have a spinal cord injury.

    the results of this study in no way justify the use of WBV with members of the general population and does not show that WBV can deliver any of the benefits provided by traditional modes of exercise. when you consider that these gadgets can cost upwards of $10,000, WBV training is a loser for 99.99% of the population.

    it’s great if WBV provides some benefits for those people who are unfortunate enough to have severely compromised nervous systems and are paralyzed as a result of a spinal cord injury. but the reality is that WBV is useless otherwise, but this data does not pertain to the general population.

    and rather than parrot the line of the WBV industry why haven’t you shared your success stories with us?

  • Derek Daniel

    Bosco uses your control group exactly as you want in this study. NO STRENGTH TRAINING vs. JUST VIBRAFLEX WBV and the group is active as they were a italian univ team.

    Also, I hope you are reading these studies correctly. When u see a .07 that does not mean .07 inches that is the statistical variance from standard deviation.

  • sal m

    i don’t care who bosco is, the study referenced in the above link compares vertical jump performance between two groups; one group that was subjected to WBV and the control group that did nothing. in the study the author writes that it was expected that the control group would show no improvement in jump performance because itis understood that inactivity cannot improve performance. this is axiomatic.

    the data from this study is comparing apples and oranges.

    given that all of your studies come from the same web site – the site of a WBV huckster – it is not surprising that all of these studies are so spectacularly flawed that their conclusions are rendered irrelevant.

    furthermore, all of these studies are short term and involve people who have never been exposed to WBV training before. these studies do not expose subjects to chronic WBVs because A)it’s unsafe and B) there is no long-term, continual benefit from WBV. and there is never a control group that engages in dynamic exercise in these studies because this group would show more improvement – at less cost – than the WBV group.

    and again, please share with us your WBV success stories.

  • Derek Daniel

    I have a feeling short of “jesus” himself multiplying you into 20 people and dividing you into a control group and a subject group you are not going to carefully examine the differences in this technology. That is great! Hopefully many people follow your lead and people like myself who actually read and research will continue to succeed.

    That’s enough for me. I laid out my case pretty thoroughly for everyone to read.


    P.S I train/trained 14 pro athletes this year and sent them to their respective camps with personal best in Power Cleans, and a battery of flexibility tests. I also trained 8 mom’s, 16 dad’s, and 2 grandmom’s each one has had steady improvement in strength and flexibility and subjectively reported to feel great. I added Vibraflex WBV to their programs at the beggining of each.

    See ya

  • Derek Daniel

    no you misread the Bosco study again. It clearly says they participated in sport as they were in season.


  • Derek Daniel

    chronic WBV in the studies you elude to are 6-8 hrs long in a workplace setting. again you are wrong and making wild assumptions.

    Also the studies on the site AGAIN are indpendent. SO what that they post them on the site. see below the difference between independent ans sponsored

    Also, most studies are short term in nature 8-16 weeks. Again you are wrong in your assumption

  • Derek Daniel

    You are starting to look like the “huckster” as you dig in to not make yourself look goofy

  • Derek Daniel

    you are on “tilt” and just pulling things out of no where, next you are going to link the Tobacco companies to these poor bastards at Vibraflex trying to market a product that could help many people. i didnt mind and agreed when you went after the BS at Powerplate and Hypergravity but you never gave an inch that these products could be different from one that has a different speed and motion and that meant i didnt know what I am doing when I bought it and the results I have seen were random…I cant take that sitting down, my man.

    If this were a game, i would be sending in the 4th quarter subs at this point so let me just say GOOD GAME COACH

  • sal m

    keep talking and i’ll keep correcting you…you really have no idea what you are talking about.

    the bosco study is fatally flawed because in the study itself the control group did nothing immediately preceeding their jump test while the other group was active immediately preceeding their jump test. this is a flawed study, and a study that was designed to illicit positive results.

    and these studies are NOT chronic as bosco himself concludes that studies need to be performed in order to study the chronic effects of WBV. 8-16 weeks is not long term.

    you could at least read the entire study before you comment on it.

    and please provide your success stories for us. what results?

  • Derek Daniel

    1. You are very far from correcting me in anything my friend

    2. All subjects in the Cardinale/Bosco were given “25 minute ergometer warm up”

    2.5 – What motivation does Bosco have to try to illicit postive results? he has no stake in the success or failure of any of his research as he is INDEPENDENT.
    3. Most research ends with comments such as “more research needs to be performed” etc…it allows for expansion on their research. Instead focus on the significant statistical improivements which he clearly outlines. You see they MATHEMATICALLY prove things instead of just trying to sound really confident like certain Blog Hosts.
    4. I have read allof them and you should too instead of the goofy ones on the Powerplate site.

    Listen, dont decide something and then try to find facts for your decision. First Find facts and then decide. I am offering lots of info that you are only responding to with minor points, take that into consideration and soften your stance on this particular group. As I said you were right abou the others.

  • Derek Daniel

    bosco warm up was actually 25 watts for 5 minutes ALL subjects. not 25 mins

  • BMac


    I just have two questions. What is your educational background? Where did you earn your degrees and in what area of study?

    Thanks for your time?

  • LLoyd Shaw

    My main problem is that companies like Vibra-Flex etc do not disclose before their research, that Pivitol and Lineal machines are opposites of each other. They do NOT do the same thing , and it reeks of bad marketing to not even mention that important point.
    Or why wouldnt they ?

    They just forgot ?

    And all the researh today says we know bugger all about Myotatic reflexes , involuntary reflexes and fight or flight responses in humans.

    And we arent going to learn much from testing 19yr old uni students over a 6 week period looking at vertical jump hight ?.

    The machines built today are only the beginning tools to understand how this could effect real peoples lives and a large scale population.

    I have said it before , there is no place for “marketers” in such a new industry with so much research to do before we can even take ourselves seriously.
    Let alone the public.

    I will make a promise to Sal M right here and now. I only created my company to solve a problem. Not to rip people off in any manor. Or i would still be Power-Plates Product Manager and being paid lots to keep my mouth shut.

    I want a chance to significantly drop the rate of Type 2 Dia / septic ulsers and amputations as a direct result of obesity. Over 25% of my customers are sponsored and do not pay for their treatment. You can check on that if you want.

    And i dont sell machines to the public. Ever.

    Vibration training has promise , but it can never be explored or developed while we have companys that are so caught up on sales as to say anything to get one.

    I hope one day Sal M can blog here , saying he was wrong about some of us. And that we did help.


    I’ve watched Sal’s Healthy Skeptic blog with much amusement as he attacks the concept of Whole Body Vibration and any researcher who has conducted a study that is not up to Sal’s standards. (When did he become the great arbiter of such things anyway? When he signed on as a coach in a New Jersey high school?) As Hypergravity’s sales manager, I feel I have to speak up, since he has come out of nowhere and started attacking our company.

    Sal, may I ask, what did we ever do to you?

    First of all, repeatedly ridiculing spelling mistakes on our old website is in such poor taste. The gentleman who wrote the text on the old site is over 70 years old and speaks 7 languages, of which, English is his fifth. Call me when you’ve mastered even 2 languages, and then we’ll discuss spelling errors.

    It is true that we had put together a page that contained links to many studies that were performed with Whole Body Vibration platforms, but nowhere did we state an opinion on them. We merely have tried to show the public what studies are out there, warts and all. Yes there are good studies. Yes there are bad studies. Some of the studies, such as those performed by Galileo/Vibraflex are conducted on pivotal vibration devices which affect the body differently than the linear vibration units we make. They are not better or worse, they’re only different. In fact, we only made reference to a couple studies on our Benefits page. I remember seeing one of them mentioned by a doctor on your previous page but I don’t think you ever answered him/her and I don’t have time to sift through the 100+ responses to check, so here it is again:

    Effect of vibratory stimulation training on maximal force and flexibility.

    Journal of Sports Science 1994 Dec;12(6):561-6.

    Issurin VB, Liebermann DG, Tenenbaum G.

    Ribstein Centre for Research and Sport Medicine Sciences, Wingate Institute, Wingate Post, Israel.

    In this study, we investigated a new method of training for maximal strength and flexibility, which included exertion with superimposed vibration (vibratory stimulation, VS) on target muscles. Twenty-eight male athletes were divided into three groups, and trained three times a week for 3 weeks in one of the following conditions: (A) conventional exercises for strength of the arms and VS stretching exercises for the legs; (B) VS strength exercises for the arms and conventional stretching exercises for the legs; (C) irrelevant training (control group). The vibration was applied at 44 Hz while its amplitude was 3 mm. The effect of training was evaluated by means of isotonic maximal force, heel-to-heel length in the two-leg split across, and flex-and-reach test for body flexion. The VS strength training yielded an average increase in isotonic maximal strength of 49.8%, compared with an average gain of 16% with conventional training, while no gain was observed for the control group. The VS flexibility training resulted in an average gain in the legs split of 14.5 cm compared with 4.1 cm for the conventional training and 2 cm for the control groups, respectively. The ANOVA revealed significant pre-post training effects and an interaction between pre-post training and ‘treatment’ effects (P < 0.001) for the isotonic maximal force and both flexibility tests. It was concluded that superimposed vibrations applied for short periods allow for increased gains in maximal strength and flexibility.

    This is a well designed study conducted not on the elderly but on 28 young, healthy, males. They even used a control group. (I’m sure it was because they didn’t want to incur the wrath of Sal the great research design guru) Anyway, let’s compare:

    GROUP. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .ISOTONIC MAXIMAL STRENGTH
    Vibration Training . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + 49.8%
    Conventional Training. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + 16%
    Control Group . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + 0%

    GROUP . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . LEG SPLIT FLEXIBILITY
    Vibration Training . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + 14.5 cm
    Conventional Training . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + 4.1 cm
    Control Group. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + 2 cm


    Now, let me make a big disclaimer. Although this research may strongly support the great potential that WBV has as a form of exercise, we are not trying to say (and never will say) that this should replace conventional exercise. Far from it! The more active people are, the better. The absolute fact that nobody can argue with is that WBV training makes your muscles do work. Period. And, if WBV is something that can motivate someone to get off the couch and get active again, GREAT!

    Like I said, I have been following this blog for a while and I have come to admire Lloyd’s candor from afar. He seems to be an honorable guy with a genuine interest in advancing public knowledge about WBV, while exposing the paranoid speculation (and often outright lies) of some in this industry who are less than scrupulous. He understands, as I do, that there is a need for much more research into the various applications of WBV, but let’s make no mistake: there ARE documented health benefits to using WBV.

    I know because I hear about them first-hand. Yes, my job is to sell a product, but I love what I do because it’s a product I can believe in and I can honestly say I go to sleep at night knowing I helped people. Regardless of what any skeptics can say against a handful of Whole Body Vibration studies, I continue to get calls from people who love to tell me how their Hypergravity is helping them lose weight, or tone up, or relieve their fibromyalgia, or lower their blood pressure, or eliminate their plantar fasciitis, or just simply regain enough energy to play a full 18 holes of golf, and I could go on for hours! These people were SICK AND TIRED of being SICK AND TIRED because all their doctors knew to do was prescribe another pill to mask their symptoms instead of solve their problems! You have no idea how incredibly grateful they are. We become like part of their family. They send cards at Christmas or Hanukkah, and invite us to their kid’s birthday parties. And we go!

    And, Sal, no matter how much you try to dismantle other people’s research, you can never–and I mean NEVER–take away what we have given to these people. Just because it is anecdotal, doesn’t make it less real, and I DARE you to tell these mothers, fathers and grandparents that their stories–their struggles and their triumphs–are worthless and have no meaning! I dare you.



    P.S. Let’s remember you STILL have never even tried one of these machines yourself.

  • Derek Daniel

    well said Mr or Mrs. Hypergravity…except that the weight loss claim is a streeeetttttccccchhhh for WBV…watch out for making claims that are unsubstantiated, that is what gets you all in trouble but if people like your product and it helps them, god bless them and good luck.
    I am deleting this from my Blog list. I will look for others which are more helpful in assessing and evaluatiing these claims and more important for me discussing techniques on how to use.

    I just wanted to see if the blog host had a final response to any of what I posted.

    Also, The pivotal and straight up down motion was compared and evaluated in a BYU study posted on the Powerplate site and showed an advantage in favor of the pivotal (more quad, ham, and gluteal activation) so I have no idea why it is on the PP site and not on the Vibraflex/Galileo site.



    I should remind everyone that these are not my claims, these are simply people’s testimonials to me. I don’t have any control or influence over what they say. I’m just telling you what I was told.

    For instance, here’s a weight loss claim by Judy Caspe, a lady who runs a medspa and has her own radio program called Spa Talk LA. She failed to cut any calories and lost 6 pounds using nothing but Hypergravity for 12-15 minutes every other day. Sher also had this to say: “The machine is great, it does provide the missing exercise in my life! My body wants to use the machine now. I do not dread exercising now, I look forward to it.” Read for yourself…

    This is exactly what I’m talking about–we are finally starting to take the drudgery out of fitness!


  • BMac

    I am still waiting on the expert to respond to post #34.

  • Dan Fivey


    I hope you are well and healthy.

    I have attached some studies that may interest you: these where done on the VibroGym when it was called the Powerplate (please note the Powerplate is now a completely different machine). The studies are on an ACL injury repair and Fibromyalgia.

    These studies show that Vibration Therapy/Training is valid way of exercising and has many benefits.

    Some more studies are available on this site.

    The research on this page also shows that the VibroGym is gaining credibility and is very superior to its many copies and imitations. I am keen to read about your thoughts about these studies.

    The VibroGym is now available in over 70 locations in Australia and NZ!

    Our certified trainers at these locations are helping clients define goals and are creating programs that will help them achieve those goals. The VibroGym is available at Gyms, Personal Training Studios, Physio’s, Chiropractors, Beauty Salons, Day Spa’s and Weight Loss Centres.

    A VibroGym session takes just 15 minutes, three times a week to strengthen, tone and revitalize your body. And at only $10-20 per session, VibroGym is affordable and it works. Some of these centres are seeing over 30 people a day on their machine!

    The VibroGym is helping people lose weight, tone up, increasing their flexibility, lose cellulite, recover from an injury, decreasing back pain, increasing balance and stability and gain strength. Users include people who are over 100kg, MS sufferers, wheelchair users, Cystic Fibrosis sufferers, athletes, celebs, sports teams, Parkinsons sufferers, diabetics, fibromyalgia sufferers, the elderly and overweight children.

    The VibroGym has appeared in UltraFit Magazine, Womens Health and Fitness, Inside Sport, Alpha Magazine, The Age, The Sun Herald and will feature in Womens Weekly, Cleo and Cosmo soon.

    Some new exciting studies will be coming from Universities in Australia and NZ in the future, they have just started and we expect the results to be very promising.

    I have some new testimonials that you may like to read and I hope you enjoy reading them and I look forward to your comments.

    Kind regards

    Dan Fivey
    [Personal contact info deleted]

  • steve m

    Has any-one out there had a negative expierience using WBV therapy?

  • Andreas

    Vibration training is not the ultimate training tool, as some people or companies want us to believe. It is just a new training methodology that has a partial beneficial influence in enhancing performance. To combine training methods will always have the best results and certainly vibration training could have a small contribution to this. View a scientific approach which is different than the majority out there here

  • mark

    If I may broaden this conversation to some general truths: 1/Scientific studies are almost always flawed. Sometimes they’re fraudulent, sometimes not. Sometimes the flaws are immediately apparent, sometimes it takes years to discover them. Acting on scientific studies only will rarely get you the desired results. 2/Anecdotal evidence is merely someone else’s story. If you trust the party, one story may be convincing, if the parties are unknown to you, no number of stories is satisfactory. 3/ subjective evidence is your own story. If scientific and/or anecdotal evidence conflicts with your own experience, you -might- be wrong,(kidding yourself), but just as likely, the science just hasn’t caught up with the reality…My subjective reality your anecdote. Science takes money, cooperation, ethics, expertise. Accurate subjectivity requires me paying attention to myself; personal science, if you will. If I lie, I lie to myself. Sal, you may have every traditionally scientific reason in the world to never try a vibration machine, but it isn’t -your- science until you’re the subject and the researcher. Trust noone. Do it yourself. Is everything in your life according to research you’ve read? You say you know enough about it, and don’t need to find out for yourself. That in itself is a subjective decision, not scientific. There’s nothing more satisfying than hearing a thousand opinions on a subject while knowing that your are the only one who was actually -there-. Be that person.

  • katarina

    This is a second day of my inquiry after information on WBV platform, because it was after the third week of rehab on the platform, when I finally realised that the unnatural biting pain (diffrent one from normal sore muscels after harder workouts, or let say three days of skiing on the beginning of the season) in neck muscles, back muscles pain (especially trapesius), arms muscles and the elbow joint comes from exercises on such a platform. I think, it can not be from other exercices that I do within my rehab, or from what I do by myself at home, because the problems emmerged when I started to use the platform after it was installed in rehab center (in Bremen/Germany) just a month ago or so. I did several exercises on platform, but I think that the biggest culprit is particularly one exercise. The squat on one leg, with tighten and stretched arms, with the center of gravity almost out of the platform. The squat (with other platform exercises) I did 2 times per week in 3 series, each 2 minutes, 30 seconds pause in between, at 27Hz. As I already mentioned, I found the pain unnatural. The recovery also took unnaturaly long time, two weeks. It never happend to me before, and I am used to physical training and before the accident I did several sports regularly. My physiotherapist said that I had weeker back muscles, OK, could be, however, I am suspicious now, though I started with enthusiasm. My mind says to me, that it can not be good to vibrate the stretched and tighten muscles, relaxed OK, it’s like a massage, but tighten ones. Now, when I start to be more critical, I must say, the vibrations of my whole body, seems to me not pleasant at all. I feel rather tired of those vibrations, and shaken. I decided not to continue to use the platform. First, I would like to understand the physiological process of muscles, tendons… under the impact of vibrations, so I have lot to do to find it out. I will start with papers from 1st American Conference on Human Vibration, in library. Some themes sounds interesting to me.
    If someone will have some useful information to my case, I’ll be thankfull.

  • Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train

    Yes…I have some useful information.

    I banned them over 2 years ago.

    The rebalancing responses caused during this pose creates un-natural/shearing pressure on the knee/hip flexor/lower back regions ( shearing is an inherent risk where vibrations and bio-machinaics are involved ).

    It will eventually seperate the joints .

    The one legged squat is recommended for elite athletes only , for short term ( 3 weeks ) during build up to an event .
    Not physio.

    For those of you who doubt this, watch the pose being held from behind. With 10 secs the standing leg will turn inwards . And the hip flexor will twist the opposite direction to counter the weight shift.

    Unfortunatly your physio will be following a generic chart sold with the machine.

  • Katarina

    Thanks a lot for the fast response Lloyd.
    I am very glad to have this information.



    Hi everyone,

    I’m announcing my resignation from Hypergravity.

    I’m not going to discuss the circumstances surrounding my decision to leave, but suffice it to say I left of my own free will for reasons of conscience.

    From now on when I post on this board it will be under my own name.

    Best regards,


  • http://www.GlobusUSA,com Giovanni Ciriani

    Bosco had a PhD in Sports Medicine and did 30 years of studies on many different strength-development techniques. He worked with olympic athletes and teams etc.

  • D Jones

    I have read in detail many of the studies mentioned. Some of these were not well performed, but Sols critics of the osteoporosis paper is not justified. The control group was also taking a recognised anti-osteoporotic drug so bone mineral density might under these cicunmstances not be enhanced with WBV, A recognised (albeit subjective) method was used to asses pain. There are many instances where patients subjective assessment is the only way to indicate imprvement or not. I think that many of Sols comments are in fact very misleading. What is cler however that WBV cannot replace training as the cardio vascular system is not trained. So the WBV does not replace other forms of training at all.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    It is only designed for resistance type training. Movement and pressure. Thats all , if anyone has mislead you into thinking it’s cardio , they where wrong to do so.

  • Suharsh

    I have read this blog and have to unfortunately admit that it has generated more questions than answers that I had hoped for.

    It turns out that PowerPlate head office is just couple of miles from my apartment. I actually went there and tried it out for 15 – 20 minutes and it did feel good. This is not a conclusion though. One thing for sure that I got out of this discussion is that it is not worth taking a risk of $ 2k – $9k for these machines. I know those vibration AB Belts don’t work but if I were to try it out, I was risking only $45, what the heck, let’s try it. But not with the money that the WBV machines are charging. I really don’t know if they cost that much, but if they really want to market them to the masses then the prices have to come down.

    My wife had a good suggestion – she said that join a fitness center that has one of these. Unfortunately the couple of them that I called up don’t have it. One that has is about an 1 hour’s drive from my place :(

    I am in Buffalo Grove, IL – anyone knows any fitness centers / studios around who have the WBV’s?

    To add to all this confusion there seem to be so many of the WBV’s out there, each claiming that the other’s are clones or substandard! I guess only time will tell if the WBV’s really work and I hope they do ‘coz the next time such a new product is advertised I certainly will start with being an atheist rather than hoping that it works.

    Anyway given the fact that I don’t intend to shelve out (even though I can afford) the $4k for these machines, I found some cheaper ones that cost about $400. Are these ok? I know that they won’t be what a $9k machine gives, but then if it is ok for personal use, then I don’t mind risking that amount.

    The two that I have seen close to the $400 tag are:

    1. HealthMark VibraFit &
    2. Power Fitness Deluxe Vibration Plate (Crazy Fit Massager)
    3. Soloflex

    Any comments on any of these three or additions to the above lsit?

    Thanks in advance.

  • Phillip Winn

    Suharsh, spend your money on a gym membership at the gym you’re most likely to go to at least three times a week. Don’t worry about the vibrating nonsense.

  • Suharsh

    Just read HyperGravity’s post:

    ‘I’m announcing my resignation from Hypergravity.

    I’m not going to discuss the circumstances surrounding my decision to leave, but suffice it to say I left of my own free will for reasons of conscience.’

    God!!! After the propagonda, you are saying that you are leaving HG because of ‘conscience’. What do we read out of this? That you were aware that it is not helpful and yet you are selling it!

    Am I mis-interpreting this? I hope Christopher you come out and clarify this.

    Ofcourse given the given technical limitation, I might even sign up as HyperGravity and say that I have joined them again!!!

  • Lloyd Shaw

    You are all wise to ask the hard questions before buying or using these machines.

    The major brand you talk of , had a production cost of less than E700. And that was for the large proffesional unit (RRP 9k ).

    Go to www. vibrationtraining . net to see the court documents.

    The smallest units I developed for my studios ( The Bullet ) cost me 12k just to build.

    The very cheap units you talk of are Therapy machines. Nothing more. If that is what you are looking for then go for it.
    If you want a workout. Leave them alone.

  • Martin Huizing

    Interesting to read how people tend to react on subjects. I started in 1999 and after my athletes (T&F, 47 secs on 400m) improved 20% in 4 months, where we already used to do a lot of powertraining, and some guests (olympic level) improved up to 100% in 3 months (also due to bad training programs) I was convinced that – if used correctly – the gains of WBV were tremendous. As we work a lot in medical centres it became obvious that the effects on low taxable and injured people were even more impressive. Now over 80 publications coming from over 50 different universities support the effect of the Galileo only. Other (vertical) systems have also some positive effects, but much less and with much less possibilities.
    Sal, I wonder what your experiences are with this type of stimulation, as also all scientists I spoke with did not expect the sensation and clinical effects before they tried out themselves.

  • Martin Huizing

    Short addition to previous mail: it was 20% improvement in squats. The improvement of sprint times are of course the result of many training forms together.
    I can remember one Olympic discus thrower (66+ m) telling me that he could do the double in training. Not very wise, as he should have used the improvement in gaining better recovery.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    You say that ” only ” the Galileo had positive effects. Which implies other units where also tested alongside the Galileo.

    What where the names of the other machines used in the studies ?

    Not supplying this information puts you at risk of looking like a salesman. Even though your attempt to compare Pivital with Lineal already puts you in the ” marketers only ” category.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Lloyd Shaw
    January 24th, 2007

    Mr Chris Bantin
    75 Manoor Park Drive
    GU46 6JZ


    To whom it may concern,

    This is a letter with reference to the articals thet Power Plate have been placing in magazines.

    The artical seeks to imply that I have been helped by PowerPlate in the past and I am endorsing them for othered disabled people. Both of these implications are false.

    Everything about my experiences and the benifits I felt are true but it all relates to the machine now know as the Vibro-Gym and Kevin Barkclay web.

    I do believe Vibration training is of tremendous benefit to bisabled people but I do not want them to be misled by unscrupulous marketing.

    Yours Truly
    Chris Bantin

    The artical advert printed in D&CS FITNESS ( Disabled and supportive care mag )

    It does imply all the way through the artical that Chris Bantin has been helped by Power-Plate and endorses it for everbody.

    Now also remeber this was the new Chinese built unit that had massive problems from day one. So why would Power-Plate even let a disabled person near an uncalibrated unit.

    Power-Plate once again shows us what they stand for.

    Lloyd Shaw

  • Sam

    Check the above URL from NIH, gov website.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Lloyd Shaw
    January 25th, 2007
    Discrimination against the overweight with some weight loss machines ?

    Are companies producing low quality Vibration Training units discriminating against obese people by having low ” dynamic load ” specs ?

    This is the point where the machine loses speed and amplitude due to a load threshold being exceeded.

    I will be looking at this closer in the future. With tests on popular brands being released. One brand already coming up short at only 80kg.

    In the mean time a discussion around the ethics of this would be valuable

  • Fred Forster

    Lloyd. I totally agree, we should expose unethical companies. However i do wonder if you are trying to discredit certain views & research to promote your own product?

  • Lloyd Shaw

    No , my company is doing well as a RESULT of having strict guidelines surrounding these issues to begin with.

    I personally find it incomprehensable as a designer to manufacturer a weight loss unit with such low specs.

    My main concern are for those individuals who do everything right , for once they take action after being told none would cost them their life or a leg at least. ( I see this daily at my mortuary ) They buy a home unit , or use a cheaply constucted unit at a studio used by some unethical company , complete the program and still fail.

    Not to sound too dramatic , but what are you going to say , sorry we were to cheap to build a unit that worked for someone your size. And forgot to tell you.

    Better luck next time ?

    I did not create the Laws of Physics , but it seems I will have to help police them.
    As no-one else seems to be interested in anything other than lining their pockets. No matter what the cost.

    And your concern for my motives are irrelevant.

    I am either Right or Wrong . No gray area on this one.

  • Fred Forster

    I am glad you are doing well, you seem to have good intentions. But I had to ask you that question. You are very skeptical of any system on this site that has been talked about postively.

    I did a lot or research and trials of vibration equipment before I purchased the Galileo Sport and I’m pretty confident I bought the right machine. However I have just read Dereks comments on Boscos research and your reply was “My main problem is that companies like Vibra-Flex etc do not disclose before their research, that Pivitol and Lineal machines are opposites of each other. They do NOT do the same thing , and it reeks of bad marketing to not even mention that important point”. I would like to challenge that point -Galileo/Vibraflex always mention that they are different to Lineal machines. It is the Lineal companies who use the research based on Galileo pivotal systems who are quite happy to misinform their customers.

    You also mentioned that you would like to see the research comparing Galileo to vertical plates. I’m sure I came across this when I was searching, but dont ask me to go through all those papers again!.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    My point , that I will stick to is the Pivitol companies have never to my knowledge been any better than those companies like Power-Plate , and do not point out the ” pros and cons ” of both systems.

    They just say ” its better because…

    you never hear ” buts its not designed to….

  • Fred Forster

    A different point I would like to add. The first was about disclosing which machines the research was completed on. The 2nd point you mentioned is about companies pointing out the pros and cons of the two different systems.

    Surely it is more unethical to promote your vibration system on research compiled using a totally different plate. I have looked at the WAVE site and see they are using the bed rest study (compiled using a pivitol system) to back up claims on their system. I was told this research paper intrigued the German Space research centre, who have been testing the pivitol system for suitability in space.

    Every company will tell you the pros of their product, just like you do. Not all are going to tell you to go and buy a competitors because it has a better warranty etc. Of course if the system works in a certain way that is bad for your health then of course this should be stated. You make your choice on the system thats right for you and thats why its great to have these blogs, so people can make a informed decision.

    The main thing here is for manufacturers to be honest with their marketing, however if their system is better than someone elses in certain areas what is wrong in promoting that fact.

    You state
    “what I will stick to is the Pivitol companies have never to my knowledge been any better than those companies like Power-Plate , and do not point out the ” pros and cons ” of both systems”.

    I do not know how you can make such a comment that pivotal companies are no better than powerplate. At least they use relevant research to back their systems, surely it is worse to have lineal companies using research which was compiled on a totally different system.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Pure science would dictate that only the ” exact ” machine used in the study ( as medical ethics require not even a bolt to be changed ) could only be used in the promotion of its effects.

    The correct method is to put in a disclaimer stateing that those exact units are no longer built. But similar or better models will be supplied.
    And supply the reasons for the changes. Better construction etc..

    The simple lack of doing so has let people to believe the action , speed and amplitude of the device is all they have to look for.

    And it also hasnt helped their cause hiring salesman who compare Pivital and Lineal systems. When in fact they should have been seperated for their differences.

    I for one will not be taking them seriously until I hear that happening.

  • Fred Forster

    The first thing I asked before I bought my system was what is the difference between Pivotal and Lineal. I’d imagine everyone asks this same question and it is important for people to know the difference.

    I thought I’d go on your website Lloyd and see what you had to say. I found the pros clearly advertised, but not the cons!. However after a good search I did find a comparison to the 2 systems in one of your forums. I was surprised to see no mention of excess head vibrations or the lack of balance control on your machine.(I have not tried your machines so please tell me if im wrong)

    I agree with you the industry does need a governing body to stop unscrupulous companies selling systems based on false claims, but that needs to be a independent unbias organisation. Yes, you have gained big brownie points with your informative views and exposure on bad practice, but if anyone tries to challenge your opinions you are very dismissive. Please try and be a bit more objective in your views. I’d like to think I made a well informed choice when I purchased my system, but your words imply I was probably duped into my purchase by a slick sales person, which was certainly not the case.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    The reason I dont mention the lack of specific rebalancing exercises when mentioning Lineal units is, When someone places one foot on a Lineal unit and another on a solid surface ( step reebok etc.. ) the action becomes pivital.

    So any lineal unit is dual use. Pivital is not.

    Any trainer or salesman who cant work that out , should never be allowed near a machine or person.

    As this is one of the most basic bio-machinical principles for the use of WBV.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Just a comment.
    The first unit I ever built was Pitvol and Lineal.

    The reason I didnt release it is I believe the world is only ready for one change at a time.

    This is a big job , and we may not get a second chance to articulate this idea to the world.

    Technology has been lost before by some VERY smart people , when this was not understood.

  • Fred Forster

    A very basic analogy I’m afraid and one a lineal/vertical sales person would probably use(your words). I guess you could use your example as a pivatol movement, but is it really as effective? I used to go to a lineal studio and from my experience I can tell you the intensity is not the same. Also, you never answered my question on head vibrations on lineal systems?

    You state every good studio/gym should have both systems. Then on the other hand you state lineal systems are for dual use. I agree on a lot of your points but on this one we will have to disagree.

    Ideally it would be good for an independent study to be carried out comparing all the different WBV systems.

    I’d been interested to know if your systems have been part of any independent research study?

  • Lloyd Shaw

    No independent team of researches exist in N.Z. at the moment , educated enough to carry out such a task.
    Trust me I wish there was. Every meeting I have had with Universities have been with people that lack the basic knowledge in this field. That would make the tests safe.

    I continually hear they want to test Calorie burn rates with CO2 emsn tests ?

    Or they want to make people jump up and down on the units ?

    There is no way I am giving a 180kg machine to anyone with such limited education.

    The comment I made earlier about having both types of units , was in regards to “Therapy” studios.
    As properly built Pivital units have better gait correction abilities than Lineal. And I believe mucking around with step-reeboks is unproffesional.

    To recap..

    I will put my reputation on the line in both statements.

    Lineal, Pros…
    higher body-composition change , body- fat% , muscle development upper and lower body , performance gains .

    Cons… head vibration levels may irritate , but properly built units and positions should almost elliminate this.

    Safest at higher Fq.. 38hz +

    Pivitol, Pros… better for re-balancing issues , incontinence , gait correction , lower back and abdominal workout whilst standing.

    Cons…. Limited in its design and motion for weight loss , upper body development .

    Safest at -30Hz

    Both systems are good for increasing bone density.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Lloyd Shaw
    February 3rd, 2007
    Just to let everyone know. We have an issues here in N.Z.

    A certain so called “non-profit” organization ( Fitness N.Z. ) has given a retailer of fitness products the following.

    (1) The CEO made a supposedly independent statement in a high profile fitness mag. ” this company is the only one that employs qualified staff ” Knowing no qualification exists in this field.

    (2) A ” Preffered Suppliers ” award.

    (3) A place on their board.

    This particular person has been on our banned list for unethical business practices for some time , and was turned down for a purchase of a studio because of my concerns, which includes.

    (1) Selling cheap Therapy units under the guise of Vibration Training.

    (2) Although being a landlord , saw fit to go into direct competition with a Tenant. ( highly unethical )

    (3) Knowingly useing other companies trademarked names to shift products.

    (4) Using results from well known Training units to sell cheap asain Therapy machines to both Gyms and home users.

    As having high business ethics could not have been the reason for these moves by Fitness N.Z. As one would expect with a ” non-profit org” . I will leave it up to the readers to guess its motives.

    But I think it would be fair to say , that Fitness N.Z. is not moving in a good direction.

    An update on this soon.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Another dedicated Vibration Training link

  • Lloyd Shaw
  • w

    ya ya ya.. my sentiments exactly…but i went and did it on a fluke …and love it..
    its not replacing my regular workout but very good .. dont knock it till you tried it

    and my friend has had extremely good results with an arthritic knee.. under the care of her physio.. who monitors her vibration sessions..

  • Lloyd Shaw

    I am pro-vibration training.

    Just not pro marketers.

  • Lloyd Shaw
  • Lloyd Shaw

    Yesterday I won a judgement by the Ministry of Justice against Power-Plate by a District Court Judge.

    The ruling was to help me clarify I was indeed Power-Plates Product Manager ( 2003-2004 ).

    Power-Plate had recently tried to defend itself from my exposure of their unethical behaviour by claiming I never worked for them.

    That was found untruthfull by the courts.

    The good that can come from this , is people around the world who have a legal case against Power-Plate can now call on me as an expert witness.

  • fred

    Check out this list of celebrities and athletes who regularly use WBV as a part of their personal training routines. Wow there sure are a lot of suckers out there…according to Sal….

    I think I’ll take the following lists opinion over yours…….

    Madonna (Musician), Jane Fonda (Actor), Lance Armstrong (Cyclist), Ivana Trump (Socialite), Shaquille O’Neal (LA Lakers), Julie Andrews (Actor), P. Diddy (musician), Clint Eastwood (Actor), Claudia Schiffer (model), Sir Anthony Hopkins (Actor), Prince Albert of Monaco, David Cone (NY Mets), Nick Nolte (Actor), Donatella Versace (designer) Eric Karros (Chicago Cubs), J.D. Drew (St. Louis Cardinals), Daren Holmes (Atlanta Braves), Larry Nelson (PGA Golfer), Doria Cook (Actress & Tai Chi Master), Craig T. Nelson (Actor), Heidi Klum (model), Don Johnson (Actor), King of Saudi Arabia, Anni Friesinger (2002 Olympic Gold Speed Skater)

    Check out this list of sports teams that regularly use WBV as a part of their training routines
    APC Ajax (National Soccer Champions, Holland), Boston Red Sox, Chicago Bulls, Cleveland Cavaliers, Denver Nuggets, Dallas Mavericks, Detroit Lions, Germany National Bobsled Team, Glasgow Rangers Soccer Club, Green Bay Packers, Indiana Pacers, Kansas City Chiefs, Los Angeles Avengers (Arena Football), Memphis Grizzlies, Miami Dolphins, Nashville Predators, New York Giants, New York Mets, Oakland A’s, Philadelphia Flyers, Pittsburgh Pirates, Sacramento Kings, San Antonio Spurs, San Diego Chargers, San Diego Padres, St. Louis Cardinals, Tennessee Titans, Toronto Blue Jays

    And check out these health and fitness centers that trust WBV as a routine part of their health and fitness regimens
    Cal State Fullerton Fullerton, CA, Northwestern University Evanston, IL, Notre Dame Notre Dame, IN, Ohio State University Columbus, OH, Rutgers University New Jersey, NJ, UCLA Los Angeles, CA, University of Colorado Boulder, CO, University of Houston Houston, TX, University of Louisville Louisville, KY, University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE, University of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM, University of North Carolina North Carolina, NC, University of Oklahoma Norman, OK, University of Texas at Austin, TX, USC Los Angeles, CA, University of Washington Seattle, WA, United States Olympic Training Center

  • Phillip Winn

    “I think I’ll take the following lists opinion over yours…”

    When someone says something like this, it is clear that nonsense is bound to follow. “fred,” do you have any idea what led to the endorsements you list? Do you know whether the endorsees were paid? Whether the equipment was provided to them for free? Do you know whether the celebrity in question still uses the item? Do you know what results the celebrity saw from the itme? I can guarantee you that Heidi Klum hasn’t been out of shape at any point in her adult life, so unless you’re a supermodel to begin with, her experiences aren’t even relevant to you (or me)!

    It doesn’t matter. You’ve already stated that reason and logic and science and facts and research and truth don’t matter to you. Only what famous people say matters to you.

    Apparently because famous people are smart. Um, yeah.


  • Lloyd Shaw

    Celebrity endorsements are bought and paid for. I do not agree with them.

    But Phillip if you are speaking of smarts…

    Why have over 30 Medical Supply Companies worldwide invested R&D into Vibration Training/Therapy machines to date ?

    I would love to hear your opinion on this.

  • Phillip Winn

    That’s easy — medical supply companies sell medical supplies. Medical supplies are defined as “things which doctors, physical therapists, or hospitals will buy.” They don’t have to work well or at all. They just have to be sold. Doctors are suckers just like everybody else. If you personally know doctors, you’ll know that they believe all sorts of silly things that aren’t true, just like the rest of us.

    It doesn’t take “smarts” to see this. Just skepticism, and a willingness to go against the flow or marketing dollars.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Sad attempt at an answer Phillip.

    So now you are smarter than ALL the Doctors as well ?

    Talk about ego-maniac.

  • Phillip Winn

    Lloyd, you’re all over the map here, and making little sense. I’ve never claimed to be smarter than all doctors, and nobody who read my comment would believe that for even a second. I’m simply pointing out that doctors don’t have time to read all the research any more than anybody else does. Smarter? Um, “just like the rest of us” doesn’t seem like a statement of superiority to me.

    You accuse me of being an egomaniac because I choose to rely on the research of doctors who’ve specifically studied these wiggle-plates rather than the opinion of random people with medical degrees who’ve never looked into the research? I would suggest that the real problem here is someone who ignores *all* research, proclaiming himself to know better than people who’ve dedication serious time, effort, and money to proving whether or not these things work. \

    They don’t.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    I have personally dealt with multiple universties on this subject. They are flying blind and only fake understanding to get grants.

    Unethical and pathetic.

    To prove my point. Look for one study with an engineers report attached to it. They dont even know what the machines is doing before they start. They totally trust the manufacturors specs.

    So any results cannot be duplicated.

    This is not science. And the results will appair random at best.

  • Lloyd Shaw


    Chris Donaldson and Angus Ross did an independent study on the PowerPlate here at Otago University in N.Z. and commented on the following…

    ” vibration frq may be less than what some manufacturers claim ”

    Their experience with PowerPlate was so bad they even stated at the end of the study..

    ” WBV salesman will tell you anything ”

    An engineering test done by Vibration Consultants Ltd report reads…

    ” the PowerPlate…had an error of -35% and -41% in both settings ”

    The tests done to date have not been done by
    ” people who’ve dedication serious time, effort, and money to proving whether or not these things work.” as you state. But by marketers disguised as academics.

    So I understand your mistrust Phillip , but I still think you don’t understand the real problem.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Acceleration Training and Vibration Training/Therapy is the same thing in case anyone hears the term from a marketing company and is confused.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    VibraSlim a U.S./Canadian based company has been involved with Plagiarising an entire website for marketing purposes.

    Absolute proof that this company is dishonest in nature and should not be trusted or traded with.

  • jo

    Hi: I have to share this with you. I review products. I reviewed the Soloflex WBV Platform. I didn’t bash it at all. I did say (and at the time I wrote it I found information that it was classified as a Class A medical device. I got the following letter from the president of Soloflex,

    “Dear Jo,

    In your review of the Soloflex WBV Platform you cautioned that it may be harmful and that the FDA considers our product to be a Medical Device. Actually, the FDA considers our product to be an exercise device.

    WBV is definitely injurious at high amplitudes/exposures (hence the established world-wide standards for allowable workplace exposure) but not at the low amplitudes and recommended exposures with our product. We now have tens of thousands of our platforms in use, many for over two years. Many of our customers are frail & elderly. Many have disabilities like MS, MD, CP, Parkinson’s, stroks, etc. As these people can’t exercise, WBV offers them the only possible way to get the vital benefits of exercise. These are the same people who would be detered from trying it if they thought it might injure them. Undoubtedly the commercial WBV platforms exceed the established limits for human exposure. Ours and the Juvent device clearly do not: After extensive testing at Georgia Tech Research Institute, we just received the Arthritis Foundation’s Ease of Use Commendation.

    Please consider revising your review with this new information in mind.

    Jerry Wilson, pres.
    Soloflex, Inc.

    In my review I noted that Arthritis Today advertises this machine. I noted that Fitness Matters (I’m a certified personal trainer) said the verdict was out and was looking at the Power Plate. In any case I can’t for the life of me find the info on the WBV being considered a class A medical device. Perhaps it has changed. The Soloflex site looks different than I remember it. In any case the jury is out. I’m confident of that and I liked Soloflex’s products. I now have a really bad taste about them! jo

  • Lloyd Shaw

    The ISO 2631 regulations for vibration exposure was not even mentioned or considered when designing the machines and programs , and I personally have letters from most of these companies argueing it didnt apply to this industry. After I released a warning to manufacturors in 2003.

    I to am uncomfortable with people claiming these machines are medical devices yet and companies misleading consumers by failing to mention the true intended purpose of a unit.

    Therapy or Training ?

    No exercise is an island and neither is a machine.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    I also would like to point out that SoloFlex uses other companies research to sell their own product.

    Then claim those same units are unsafe.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Power Plate in trouble again. This time being caught using a world leading researchers name on their so called Medical Advisory Board.

    This person has publically denied being involved or supporting the company.

    Result ? They have been forced to take down every name from the list.

    The academic community will not be happy with this and the backlash should come as a timely kick in the guts for a company that seems to know no ethical boundaries.

  • Jason King

    Lloyd Shaw tries to discredit everyone but himself and his associates. DO NOT believe a word he says!!! Do a search of his name on Google!! Lloyd Shaw

    Lloyd Shaw, Self promoter and the source of so much misimformation it is ridiculous!!


  • TC


    Your comment on Lloyd Shaw is not fair.

    I do not know Lloyd in person because he is in New Zealand and I am in Hong Kong. I only know him by reading his threads and comments in different forums regarding Vibration Training.

    Yes, he sounds very straight forward. Some people may find him nearly rude. It is also funny to see him pursuing after Power Plate. However, if he is saying what he believes, I would say his mentality is bearable. Furthermore, Lloyd does not discredit everyone as you said. I read some posts that he recommended some brands of vibration device which are his competitors in business.

    Lloyd may also sound like a self-promoter in his threads or comments. i think it is because he really has good knowledge in vibration training from building a device to practice; and his knowledge make him full of self-confidence. Some of his comments maybe controversy, we can discuss on these area and wait for time to prove who is right.

    If you find any of Lloyd’s comment misleading, list them out for discussion.

    Let’s focus on seeking truth in vibration training.


  • Lloyd Shaw

    Yes Jason , please list one comment I have posted that is not true.

    And I will supply hard evidence to back up every statement.

    Man or mouse Mr Jason King ?

  • Lloyd Shaw

    And it’s good to see I am rattling a few cages out there.

    Im up for it. Lets go.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Didn”t take much for Jason to run away. Pity.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Real Health Concerns Regarding Vibration Training

    Note: Vibration Therapy/Training has been used successfully and safely for almost 100yrs. With no problems recorded. It is only of recent concern that marketers have jumped into this technology with no back knowledge and only sales in mind. Trust me I worked for them and their concern for your health is ZERO. Anything that may divert a sale will not be approached let alone researched. The programs I originally developed for PowerPlate where rejected due to complaints from their marketing department. Follow these and you will get all the benefits with none of the safety concerns.

    Please read below for further details.
    The unrestricted/unsupervised use of Vibration Training equipment has been a concern of mine since I first started writing original material in 2003. As Product Manager of Power-Plate I saw the potential for abuse of the units in several ways. With there refusal to acknowledge my concerns one of the reasons for my departure. Some of them being.
    (1) Overuse
    (2) Incorrect poses
    (3) Incorrect Fq
    I will list the reasons for these concerns and why I believe the sooner the “real” industry starts talking to each other and laying down some restrictions , the better.
    (1) Chronic Fatigue….
    This can cause everything from just plain tiredness to a massive drop in your immune system. Which can lead to other health disorders. This one is simple , you ask you body to do too much and it can’t keep up. Think about this , in an average Vibration Training session you may do approx 30,000 separate movements. This is like running a marathon for most people, and because it is actually do-able for most people, it is primed for abuse. But your body simply can’t expend that amount of energy and keep going for long. You will get sick eventually.
    (2) Hyperthyroidism….
    This is a state where your regulatory glands are over activated causing a large fluctuation in your hormone levels. This can lead to fluid retention , problems with hormone sensitive organs such as the ovaries (for woman). To its extreme this condition can cause multi organ failure.
    Note: I have had one case reported to me so far from South Africa where a lady was using a plate for over 40mins a day. And she was following her instructors advice !! So this theory was not a fancy-full idea as was put to me when I first aired my concerns.
    Unfortunatly I expect to hear about more such cases before anything concrete is done.
    Tissue breakdown….
    This is when the healing cycle is not allowed to complete itself. And your body breaks down more cells than it can rebuild before you re-damage the area. Long distance runners have always had this problem with their knees.
    Incorrect poses…..
    This one sounds self explanatory but it is obviously not, from what I have seen on many a Vibration Training poster sold with machines and on the net.
    Your joints are only designed to work at high use at precise angles , moving away from these angles can cause unnecessary wear and tear. It can also cause neck injuries. That is where a good instructor is very important , they will re-correct you during your time on the units so no problems occur.
    Incorrect Fq….
    This is a tricky one as so may of the units available go to the lower Fq , hence people believe it must be safe. The fact is lower Fq should only be used for limited Physio programs due to the unsafe nature of what they call resonance Fq. This is where waves bounce off each other causing a disturbance in an area. In this case in your internal organs give off their own resonance and matching these is not a good idea. They range from 5Hz-20Hz. Again mis-use could cause disturbance to the organs function. Keeping away from these Fq by a factor of 10Hz should allow safe use of units over a lifetime.
    Note: Some cheaply built units are NOT doing the Hz setting showed on the display. Some are slowing down with only a load of 20-80kg. One major brand was tested unloaded at it was still slower by 13hz than its advertised specs. And that was with no-one on it. !!!
    Now this article was not written to scare anyone off Vibration Training , just to show how serious we are about putting up this type of training for scrutiny . We will never create a safe industry by burying potential problems as is the normal procedure for marketers and corporates .

    Kind regards….. Lloyd Shaw…….. Founder of Vibra-Train

  • Destiny

    It’s very interesting to see all the opinions about WBV technique. Basically and grossly, there are two principles of the WBV machines, the “side alternating see-saw” and the “vertical” platforms.

    I’ve personally tried both of the equipments (regardless of brands) and my honest feelings are that the Galileo (Vibraflex) feel definitely better and by reviewing the researhces posted by these two types of equipment that it seems that Galileo can do what the vertical equipment can do but NOT otherwise (assuming that NOT all researches are phoney).

    Science is NOT based on arguing but rather you can produce “scentific proofs” or not. So, please enlighten me whether there are any quality researches or studies that can prove that there are areas where the vertical vibration can outperform the Galileo system.

    Thanks for your advice……….

  • Di


    I have also tried both pivotal and lineal Whole Body Vibration platforms and I much prefer Lineal (Vertical). I’ve found that a quality platform elicits a rebalancing response equal to or better than that of pivotal machines without the strain caused to the pelvis by the large displacement range.

    Are you a salesperson for Vibraflex? If not, why are you asking for proof scientific reports that might support other products performance against Galileo?
    Can you please provide a study that supports your claim.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    The first platform I ever designed was Pivotal. So I fully understand the differences inherent in each system.

    The main point is all Lineal units can be used as Pivotal to a degree by simply only placing one foot on the Lineal plate and another on a stable platform .

    A Pivotal unit can not do Lineal.

    Saying that , I would recommend a purpose built Pivotal unit for most Physio practices.

    Comparing systems is not good science.

  • TC

    Hello Destiny,

    If you like GALILEO or any other pivotal / see-saw / tilting / toppling devices, it is your free choice.

    In a open forum like this, it is your right to express your opinion. Let me give mine which is very different to yours.

    Last Sunday, I tried GALILEO together with my colleague who is a sports physiotherapist. Our conclusion are, firstly & subjectively, we did not like the way it “shaked” us; secondly, we felt it has a potential to cause back muscle and pelvic joints injuries.

    You claimed GALILEO could do what vertical vibration platform could do. This is not very true. For example, if I train in lunge position on a vertical vibration platform, I can train with different difficulty level by adjusting the amplitude. On a pivotal platform, you cannot play with amplitude UNLESS you change your position as well because on a pivotal platform, the wider to the sides the higher amplitude, the closer to the centre the smaller amplitude.

    Also, I do not agree with your interpretation on “Science”. Science is only a systematic format to quantifing experience. If someone has accumulated a lot of experience in a certain skill, someone’s opinions on this particular field are already gospel. Human learnt Sun rises from the East by experience long before science told us about solar system and Earth orbits Sun. On the other hand, science and research can be twisted. Result of so-called scientific study can be designed “in favor of” or “against” something by playing with criteria. Argument is healthy and will lead us to the truth!

    I agree GALILEO is probably the best of its kind (pivotal system). However, for total score, I would say a good quality lineal platform is better than pivotal type.

    Readers do not need to believe by reading Destiny’s or my comments. If any of you are interested in using this training technique or to buy a device, go out to try as many devices as you can and let your own body to tell you which is the best system for yourself.

    At last but not least, for those home users, vibration training looks like a simple and easy way of exercises. A vibration training device no matter pivotal or lineal types, it can produce very strong load beyond your imagination. This form of physical exercise can do a lot good but it can also do harm. You need to understand how it works in order to achieve maximum effects and to minimize risk of injury. NEVER buy one home before receiving a proper education and training on it.


  • Destiny

    Wow……..three replies. Thanks to all of your opinions.

    First, for Di, I’m not a salesperson from Vibraflex and are you a salesperson from non Vibraflex products? Anyway, the reasons that I’m asking for “proof scientific reports that might support other products performance against Vibraflex” is because I want to know “geniuely” the goods and bads of both sides from a scientific points of view. Isn’t it the reasons for this forum to have reasonable “scientific” discussions rather than feelings?

    My claims that it seems that “Vibraflex can do what the vertical equipment can do but NOT otherwise (assuming that NOT all researches are phoney)” is because when you compare the literatures posted on the vibraflex webpage and other vertical products webpages and you will see. I advice you to have checked out the websites first and all the researches first.

    Next, for Lloyd, I agree that to certain extent comparing systems are not good science but if it shows that the pivotal system can do what the vertical system can do but not otherwise, does it mean that we should improve the vertical system into areas that so they can excel each others in their own areas? (Just a suggestion, only)

    For TC, I’m not going to argue about the subjective feelings of “what” feels better or not because I’ve realized that the vertical system is NOT recommended to be trained with the two feet on because of the “shaking head” impact (this is my understanding…..)And interpretation of science can be hugely “subjective” as the schools of Philosophy would have agreed. But nevertheless, for the sake of argument, most people would have agreed that the grounds of “sound” scientific evidence is the key of winning the arguments, at least on this planet, so for the purpose of “total score”, I will be so engligthen to see if any one of you can produce “any quality researches or studies that can prove that there are areas where the vertical vibration can outperform the Galileo system…..”

    Thanks everyone.



  • TC

    Hi Destiny,

    Yes, evidence speak all!

    Evidence is the progress of our clients that we have seen through our own eyes. And we are using lineal platform in our centre.



  • Sarah Ball

    TC – I see you have a link to Fitvibe on another website. Are you a marketer?

  • Di H

    Hi Destiny, No I’m not a salesperson for any Whole Body Vibration brand. I simply train on a vibration machine 3 times a week. I needed to be sure that what I would be using was a quality machine and that it was safe and would perform to specs. I went to 3 different brand studios and also looked at pivotal home use machines before deciding which one to use. I’ve spent many hours online investigating and visiting studios. The name of the studio I train at is Vibra-Train and it works so well for me that, yes, I am biased toward that brand and maybe some similar solid platform lineal machines. I have been able to talk to the designer of the machines who also designs the program to be used with them. I’ve been able to ask many questions.

    I’m sure you can find the information you want online. You seem to have started with a premise that pivotal is better and now you want others to debate this. I have no desire to do this. I’ve looked into it and tried both types of platform and both have a use. But just as you prefer pivotal, I prefer Lineal. They are very different. It’s not really a matter of which is best.They can have different uses. I use a Sports Training Machine. For Therapy some people might prefer a pivotal platform (although I would still the machines I use now).

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Pivotal and Lineal machines.
    When to use one , when to use the other. And why.

    Now before I start I would like to point out these two systems should not ever be in competition with each other. It is purely a marketing war to do so. Not a science driven arguement.

    I would also like to add I do not write the rules. I just report on them. If you do not like these rules I suggest you take up religion and make a complaint to someone slightly higher up the ladder than myself.

    I am also about to try and compile a few million years of evolutionary theory into a small artical so for those of you more educated folk please forgive my generalised comments. With only the subject of ” Workout ” VS ” Therapy ” in relation to muscle movement patterns being discussed in this artical.

    Lineal Design…

    “Fight or Flight”

    To understand this theory look at yourself in the mirror. Front and side on. Ask yourself a couple of questions.

    Yes they may appear unrelated at first but bear with me , I will explain.

    (a) Where are my eyes situated ?
    (b) Where is my muscle mass on my body ?

    You will of course find your eyes situated at the front of your skull. This will tell you we have binocular vision. AKA.. we have depth perception ( we can tell how far away something is ). This allows us to project an attack at an object with very good accuracy , suggesting we have evolved as a PREDATOR species.
    This is very different than some animals like horses that can not. This is why they will jump over a puddle only an inch deep . They are not nervous about water , they just can not tell how deep the puddle is. They are PRAY animals where peripheral vision comes in very handy when something is trying to catch you from behind , and eat you . Unlike grass that does not run away .

    General rule of evolution.

    Eyes front of the head…. PREDATOR
    Eyes side of the head ……. PRAY

    So our body is a well developed for seeing an object , judging its distance running towards and catching it with enough force to kill it.

    This would also come in handy if we had to ” fight ” for our lives. Which is why we automatically turn to face an attacker if surprised.

    Running quickly at something by definition also gives us the ability to run away from something. That’s where the ” flight ” part comes in.

    Now for a quick experiment.

    Get someone to push you from the front while you push back. Then get them to push you from the side while you try to again push back. You will notice the marked difference in the amount of energy it takes to push you around. From the front you have good all round ability to not only balance but also fight back. As opposed to the side where all your energy will be used just to keep balance.

    This clearly shows us that the human body is well developed to absosb and produce large amounts of Lineal pressure. But a much lower degree of Pivotal can be handled.
    When in contact with a Vibration Platform the body not only gets pushed , but it also pushes back. So a direct powerfull response will always be favoured for a ” workout ” type movement. As these larger muscles use up far more calories than any other exercise program in an involuntary reflex due to their shear size and cell mass.

    Now to muscle placement….

    The actual placement and size of muscles on our body also backs up this equation. As our muscles are placed in a Lineal fashion.
    Take the legs for example , the Quad and Hamstring ( our “drive” muscles )being much larger by far than our Adductor muscles. Essentially meaning we can never run sideways as fast or as powerfull as we can forwards.

    The moment we vary from the Lineal path before us , we expodentially lose power.

    Pivotal Design….

    The above theory in no way though displaces the importance on Pivotal movement , as this is the primary rebalancing response and without this our Lineal design would have a major flaw. Quite simply we would keep falling over.

    Our ” support ” muscles must be kept in balance with our ” drive ” muscles or injury would be inevitable. As every time you tried to turn you would fall sideways. In fact all the smaller groups of muscles that make up our rebalancing responses are also responsable for holding our body together.
    This is very apparent when athletes are clearly strong but a ” minor ” injury brings them down.

    This type of weakness can also be responable for such things as incontinence or the more serious fall of an older person cased by pelvic instability. Which in some cases can lead to an early death due to blood clots in bone fractures.

    The sideways action of a Pivotal machine is the most effective way of targeting these weak points in our design. But in my opinion would mainly fall into the ” Therapy ” mindset and should be treated with even more caution than Lineal programs. As correct positioning of a new client is much harder to judge on a Pivotal unit.

    So to recap.

    Both systems are valid but should be used for different purposes. Not in competition with each other. The only reason I personally favour Lineal for use with the public at the moment is it’s ease of use. In fact the first machine I ever made was Pivotal. And I will be releasing one in the near future. I picture all good Studios , Gym’s and Physios will have both types of machines and will also hopefully have the appropriate programs attached.

  • Destiny

    Thank you for your comments. It seems to me that only Llyod has actually “used” the two systems.

    No, I’m not a marketer and I’m trying to comprehend all these so I’ve a weblink to Fitvibe. In fact, I’m your “potential” client as my family owned a couple fitness centres.

    Yes, I have my fight and flight class in Y3 Biopsy class but thanks for the recap. But for the fight and flight respond, it still doesn’t explain the “vertical” bouncing motion which mimics a kangaroo’s natural fight and flight reflex rather than human taking in account of the gforce produced from the platform. It’s not our physiological design and built. For bone and muscle anatomy point of view, the standard is to use the SSI Index to measure the torque and the breakpoint of bone and as well as the architectural design of it by measuring the mask. Because fromt he adaptation point of view that the bone must adapt to the muscles or vice versa, so the training of both organs always go hand in hand.



  • TC

    Hello Sarah at #107

    My answer is “NO” and “YES”; and let me explain….

    If you mean the link to VTI? The answer to whether we are marketer, is “NO”. VTI is a physiotherapy & fintess training centre in Hong Kong. VTI practice Hyper-Gravity Stimulation Training (better known as Vibration Training or Whole Body Vibration here) as well as standard physiotherapy service. Our clientele divide into patients and healthy people. Patients are referred by doctors and other physiotherapists for HGST since VTI is the first and the only physiotherapy facility to practice this training technique in Hong Kong. Patients come for treatment are all handled by our physiotherapist. For healthy people who come for fitness training, they will still be interviewed by our physiotherapist and then exercise under the guide of our HGST instructors. VTI therefore do not involve in sales & marketing activities of any particular brand of gravity accelerators.

    Personally, I have double identity. Besides being founder of VTI, I own another company which has been marketing physiotherapy & rehabilitation equipments for more than a decade. We have been representing the manufacturer of FITVIBE long before FITIVBE was born. So, the answer to your question here, is “YES”, I am a marketer of FITVIBE.

    I don’t surprise if you suspect VTI as a marketing tool to sell FITVIBE. Many of our existing clients also ask if VTI is a showroom for FITVIBE. I proudly tell you all, you are wrong!

    I have Vision and Ambition in founding VTI. Vision is that I can see the benefits of this training technique to human’s health while the majority of population including medical doctors, physiotherapists or personal trainers still do not have a clue of it. Ambition is to becoming specialist in this training technique. Of course, when this training style become popular, it will eventually help to boost the sale of my other company. However, if marketing of a machine is the only aim, it is not necessary to invest so much in establishing VTI. Setting up with 8 machines, expensive monthly rental and payroll of staff all sum up a heavy load.

    Do I have bias towards FITVIBE? Yes, because I trust this manufacturer whom I have worked with for more than a decade.

    However, I would not attack other brands in order to make sale on FITVIBE; otherwise, VTI and I would never earn a reputation in this industry.

    In the position of VTI, I would keep eyes and mind opened for different technologies and brand names. Before I gave a presentation on this training technique last Sunday, I told GALILEO’s representative that I would mention pivotal mechanism like GALILEO’s claim in evoking both vertical and horizontal balance reflexes and its design is based on walking pattern. I asked if there was further features that I should mention in my presentation.

    My negative comments on pivotal platforms are purely based on observation and evaluation but never in the position of a marketer of lineal platform. These comments include:

    1) Effect is limited to below pelvic line because the pelvice movement will absorb much vibration energy.

    2) Very few training position possibilities.

    3) Cannot adjust amplitude without changing position, e.g. you can train in different amplitude in lunge position.

    4) Poor designed pivotal platforms will cause motion sickness.

    5) Potential risk in pelvic and low back muscle injuries.

    6) Big noise.

    Thank you for reading.


  • Giovanni Ciriani

    Hi Destiny,
    I’m genuinely interested in the comparison between tilting and vertical vibration platforms. I could not find any study that directly compares the two. If you know of any, could you please give me the title of the study amd/or the link?

  • Lloyd Shaw

    The Head PowerPlate studio in N.Z. has closed.

    The cleanup of our industry begins.

  • Josh Wiebe

    I have started a studio using both lineal and pivotal machines, I strongly urge anyone making these purchases to decide on the goals of their clients and make the purchase based on that. Both types of machines have major benefits when used how they were designed to work. Without naming any “brands”, most major centers now have all the machines, try them out and check out the differences in quality for yourself. The highest price does not always yield you the best product, and the same goes for the looks! Information is very limited on most of these products, after a lot a research I give Lloyd Shaw a lot of credit for the time and research he has spent into this industry. I have not purchased anything from him, however, he has been more than willing to help me make the right choices for the equipment in my studio.

  • Martin Huizing

    Just to give you an idea of the research background: all authors known to me who have published or presented their research (GALILEO are the ones done with Galileo):

    Kleinoeder, H – GALILEO
    Cravenna, R GALILEO
    Siegrist, M GALILEO
    Huizing, M GALILEO
    Bosco C
    Cardinale, M
    Wakeling, J
    Crewther, B GALILEO
    Cronin, JB GALILEO
    Huizing, MV GALILEO
    Huizing, MV
    Coorevits, P GALILEO
    Matsumoto, Y
    Kleinoder, H GALILEO
    Boyer, K
    Krieger, J
    Maikala, R
    Wakeling, J
    Moras, G
    Rittweger, J
    Harbrecht, E GALILEO
    Runge M GALILEO
    Bruyere O GALILEO
    Miyamoto, K GALILEO
    Kaji GALILEO
    Russo, C GALILEO
    Bosco, C GALILEO
    Bosco C GALILEO
    Cardinale, M GALILEO
    Schlumberger GALILEO
    De Ruiter J GALILEO
    De Ruiter GALILEO
    Mederer A GALILEO
    Spitzenpfeil P
    Spitzenpfeil P
    Spitzenpfeil, P
    Torvinen S GALILEO
    Torvinen S
    Torvinen S
    Verschueren S
    Delecluse, C
    Mueller, E
    Berschin, G GALILEO
    Vaczi, M
    Loeberbauer, E GALILEO
    Cardinale, M
    Lammel, C GALILEO
    Cardinale, M
    Salvarani, A
    Svedberg, H
    Praet, S GALILEO
    Bosco, C GALILEO
    Bosco, C GALILEO
    Haas, C
    Roelants, M
    Keranen, T
    Kube, J GALILEO
    Roelants M
    Burns, PA GALILEO
    Filippi, GM
    Iwamoto, J GALILEO
    Cochrane, DJ GALILEO
    Cochrane, DJ GALILEO
    Trimmel, AM
    Arensbergen, W van GALILEO
    Mattieu, N GALILEO
    Mattieu, N GALILEO
    Nes, I van GALILEO
    Stevenson, D
    Delecluse, C
    Blottner, D GALILEO
    Bautmans, I
    Roelants, M
    Bosco, C
    Hennesey, L
    Philipaerts, R
    Stegeman, D GALILEO
    Erika Zemková
    Mahieu, N
    Haleva, Y
    Mulder, E GALILEO
    Ramolla, J GALILEO
    Bosco, C GALILEO
    Cronin, GALILEO
    Cochrane, D GALILEO
    Luo, J
    Cormie, P
    Tihanyi, J
    Savelsberg, H GALILEO
    Cronin, J GALILEO
    Gomez, A
    Abercromby, A GALILEO
    Amonette, GALILEO
    Cormie, P
    Jimenez, A
    Feland, GALILEO
    Reijnders, I
    Mulder, E GALILEO
    Schmitz, P GALILEO
    Paradisis, G
    Bakhtiari, A
    Cochrane, D GALILEO
    Garatachea, N
    Da Silva, M
    Savelsberg GALILEO
    Kawanabe GALILEO
    Rembitzki I GALILEO
    Gianutsos JG GALILEO
    Gianutsos JG GALILEO
    Gianutsos JG GALILEO
    Gianutsos, JG GALILEO
    Lammel, C GALILEO
    Hartard M GALILEO
    Rittweger J GALILEO
    Rittweger J GALILEO
    von der Heide S GALILEO
    Jordan, M
    Schmidtbleicher, D
    Berschin, G GALILEO
    Nishihira GALILEO
    Gianutsos, J GALILEO
    Haas, C
    Runge M GALILEO
    Beekhuizen, KS GALILEO
    Gianutsos, JG GALILEO
    Berschin, G GALILEO
    Bastian, J
    Luther, S
    Schroder, J
    Schroder, J
    Heitkamp, HC
    Lazik, D
    Berschin, G GALILEO
    Iwamoto, J GALILEO
    Fontana, T GALILEO
    Schuhfried, O
    Schmidtbleicher, D
    Eser, P GALILEO
    Haas, C
    de Jong, J
    van Nes, I GALILEO
    Ahlborg, L
    Nelleke GALILEO
    Mulder, E GALILEO
    Haas, C
    Michael Kombrink GALILEO
    Erskine, J
    Wing-Hoi Cheung,
    Rittweger J GALILEO
    Rittweger J GALILEO
    Rittweger J GALILEO
    Mark, A GALILEO
    Cardinale, M GALILEO
    Bosco C GALILEO
    Bosco C GALILEO
    Hoffmann U
    Kerschan-Schindl K GALILEO
    Greie, S
    Jaspers, B GALILEO
    Wameling, P GALILEO
    Wameling P GALILEO
    Praet, SFE GALILEO
    Mulder, H GALILEO
    Mulder, H GALILEO
    Huizing, M GALILEO
    Di Loreto C
    Roelants M
    MMC Veldhoven GALILEO
    Mulder, M GALILEO
    Di Loreto, C
    Bleeker, M GALILEO
    Bovenzi, M
    Kvorning, T GALILEO
    Yamada, E GALILEO
    Maikala, R
    Goto, K GALILEO
    Howard, K
    Saggini, R GALILEO
    Rees, S GALILEO
    Lohman III, E
    Hartard, M GALILEO
    Siegrist, M GALILEO
    Lammel, C GALILEO
    Lammel, C GALILEO
    Hartard, M GALILEO
    Kleinmond, C GALILEO
    Siegrist M GALILEO
    Hartard M GALILEO
    Kleinmond C GALILEO
    Häring S GALILEO
    Rössler O GALILEO
    Mulder H GALILEO
    Torvinen S
    Torvinen S
    Rubin C
    Rubin C
    Rubin C
    Judex S
    Flieger J
    Garcia-Manso, J
    Van den Tillaar, R
    Van den Tillaar, R
    Rubin. C
    Siegrist, M GALILEO
    Schlitter, M GALILEO
    Judex, S
    Verschueren SM
    Judex, S
    Tanaka SM
    Rittweger, J GALILEO
    Baumeister, A GALILEO
    Rubin, C
    Bacabac, RG
    Oki, M
    Siegrist, M GALILEO
    Schonau GALILEO
    Rubin, C
    Jordan, J
    Liphardt, A GALILEO
    Ward, K
    Gusi, N GALILEO
    Hohenstein, K
    Blottner, D GALILEO
    Xie, L
    Robling, A
    Semler, O GALILEO
    Semler, O GALILEO
    Siegrist, M GALILEO

    Review and related:

    Neusy A
    Huizing MV
    Huizing MV
    Huizing MV
    Mester J
    Mester J
    Mester J
    Cardinale M
    Bosco C
    Rauch, F
    van Diemen A
    Kelderman, J
    Huizing, MV
    Hinmann, M
    Schiessl, H
    Cardinale M
    Rittweger, J LEONARDO
    Rittweger, J
    Rittweger, J
    Rittweger, J
    Rittweger, J LEONARDO
    Rauch, F
    Novotec Medical
    Huizing, M
    Huizing, M LEONARDO
    Huizing, M LEONARDO
    Runge, M LEONARDO
    Cardinale, M
    Runge, M LEONARDO
    Runge, M
    Jordan, M
    Runge, M LEONARDO
    Rauch, F
    Woggon, D
    Runge, M LEONARDO
    Friedmann, B
    Fricke, O LEONARDO

    “Long experience has taught me this about the status of mankind with regard to matters requiring thought: the less people know and understand about them, the more positively they attempt to argue concerning them, while on
    the other hand to know and understand a multitude of things renders men cautious in passing judgement upon anything new.” (Galileo Galilei)

  • Martin Huizing

    After browsing the comments on this blog, here’s my responds:

    PREVIOUS COMMENT: The reason I dont mention the lack of specific rebalancing exercises when mentioning Lineal units is, When someone places one foot on a Lineal unit and another on a solid surface ( step reebok etc.. ) the action becomes pivital.
    So any lineal unit is dual use. Pivital is not.

    MY COMMENT: The rebalancing effect is more pronounced the lower the frequency setting. As the ‘linear’ or vertical devices start at 20 Hz or more, the effect of rebalancing is poor or not present with your suggestions.

    PREVIOUS COMMENT: Lineal, Pros…
    higher body-composition change , body- fat% , muscle development upper and lower body , performance gains .

    MY COMMENT: I really wonder where you got this wisdom. As far as research articles can be compared, the opposite is true..

    PREVIOUS COMMENT: Cons… head vibration levels may irritate , but properly built units and positions should almost elliminate this.

    MY COMMENT: Is this why some 4 years ago a planned tv program was cancelled because of the many headaches caused by using linear devices ??

    PREVIOUS COMMENT: Safest at higher Fq.. 38hz +

    MY COMMENT: I remember a scientist from the University of Calgary stating: “after a minute on the linear platform at 50Hz my ears beeped for over 1 hour.
    The representatives in Holland of most linear platforms now advice to use frequencies of 20-30 Hz..

    PREVIOUS COMMENT: Pivitol, Pros… better for re-balancing issues , incontinence , gait correction , lower back and abdominal workout whilst standing.

    Cons…. Limited in its design and motion for weight loss , upper body development

    MY COMMENT: Explain, PROOF ?!

    PREVIOUS COMMENT: Safest at -30Hz

    MY COMMENT: Indeed, but why should this be different to linear devices ?

    PREVIOUS COMMENT: Both systems are good for increasing bone density.

    MY COMMENT: Up to hip yes, from hip up (spine) only with pivotal device.

    PREVIOUS COMMENT: To prove my point. Look for one study with an engineers report attached to it. They dont even know what the machines is doing before they start. They totally trust the manufacturors specs.

    MY COMMENT: As far as the Galileo is concerned; it’s a Medical device (type IIa), so the settings have been seriously tested.
    An unpublished study at the University of Rotterdam (Erasmus) showed that the Galileo settings (amplitude, frequency) were correct for at least 98%, Powerplate (new model) frequency was ok, accelleration went down up to 20%, while especially the cheap platforms moved almost only horizontal.

    PREVIOUS COMMENT: I to am uncomfortable with people claiming these machines are medical devices yet and companies misleading consumers by failing to mention the true intended purpose of a unit.

    MY COMMENT: As said, Galileo has a MD type 2a certificate (at the moment all models), as far as I know also Fitvibe medical has MD.

    PREVIOUS COMMENT: Yes Jason , please list one comment I have posted that is not true.
    And I will supply hard evidence to back up every statement.

    MY COMMENT: I look forward to it, Lloyd.

    PREVIOUS COMMENT: Incorrect Fq….
    This is a tricky one as so may of the units available go to the lower Fq , hence people believe it must be safe. The fact is lower Fq should only be used for limited Physio programs due to the unsafe nature of what they call resonance Fq. This is where waves bounce off each other causing a disturbance in an area. In this case in your internal organs give off their own resonance and matching these is not a good idea. They range from 5Hz-20Hz. Again mis-use could cause disturbance to the organs function. Keeping away from these Fq by a factor of 10Hz should allow safe use of units over a lifetime.

    MY COMMENT: After 8 years I still have to hear of the first organ resonance with Galileo (frequency < 20 Hz). In fact, stimulation until exhaustion in persons after a heart transplantation showed no dangerous effects (Cravenna). In fact, as long as you do not ly on the device (or place your head on it), the 5 Hz setting may be even easier than high frequencies, as long as you stick to the manual program settings and follow the easy instructions of choosing an acceptable amplitude. This may be the reason that low taxable people can work safely and easily at low frequencies. A recent study by dr. Bovenzi informed that frequencies over 30 Hz, but not frequencies under 30 Hz, were detrimental. PREVIOUS COMMENT: I have also tried both pivotal and lineal Whole Body Vibration platforms and I much prefer Lineal (Vertical). I’ve found that a quality platform elicits a rebalancing response equal to or better than that of pivotal machines without the strain caused to the pelvis by the large displacement range. MY COMMENT: Interesting, as Torvinen and others will inform you differently (see their publications). You may explain on the strain… if the stimulation is indicated for people with stress-incontinence and low back pain. Maybe you need a good coach who will tell you not to use an amplitude that is over your capacity. PREVIOUS COMMENT: Comparing systems is not good science. MY COMMENT: Not always, but it surely takes away much of the misinformation many companies use to sell their product. In fact, it could be good science, as it could give you a better insight on how the body reacts to external forces. PREVIOUS COMMENT: Last Sunday, I tried GALILEO together with my colleague who is a sports physiotherapist. Our conclusion are, firstly & subjectively, we did not like the way it “shaked” us; secondly, we felt it has a potential to cause back muscle and pelvic joints injuries. MY COMMENT: You need a better instructor. Just like any device, not knowing how to use it is like flying an airplane without having had a flight course. PREVIOUS COMMENT: Get someone to push you from the front while you push back. Then get them to push you from the side while you try to again push back. You will notice the marked difference in the amount of energy it takes to push you around. From the front you have good all round ability to not only balance but also fight back. As opposed to the side where all your energy will be used just to keep balance. This clearly shows us that the human body is well developed to absosb and produce large amounts of Lineal pressure. But a much lower degree of Pivotal can be handled. MY COMMENT: Try to walk keeping both legs parallel to each other. The Galileo (and I hope all training systems) is developed in order to improve the ability to move, not the ability to stand still. As a matter of fact, the main problem in the elderly as related to falls seems to be the lack in control of front-rear position. PREVIOUS COMMENT: The sideways action of a Pivotal machine is the most effective way of targeting these weak points in our design. But in my opinion would mainly fall into the ” Therapy ” mindset and should be treated with even more caution than Lineal programs. As correct positioning of a new client is much harder to judge on a Pivotal unit. The only reason I personally favour Lineal for use with the public at the moment is it’s ease of use. MY COMMENT: I can tell you Galileo instruction is easy, and will take me no longer than some seconds to have people train on the device safely. It actually is easier compared to positioning on a linear platform. Apart from the starting point, what is the difference between rehabilitation training (if this is what you call ‘therapy’) and (top)sports training. Luckily, Lance Armstrong, Michael Schumacher, AC Milan and many others understood that the pivotal principle could help them in their training. To stay closer to home, I have seen improvement in leg press of 100% in 9 weeks time in olympic judokas. PREVIOUS COMMENT: Do I have bias towards FITVIBE? Yes, because I trust this manufacturer whom I have worked with for more than a decade. MY COMMENT: Well, their trade company sold the Galileo before, and informed me they prefered the Galileo over the Fitvibe, but sell the Fitvibe because of the higher provisions. The director still trains with Galileo. And yes, I am also biased, so customers should read a lot and try the different devices. PREVIOUS COMMENT: My negative comments on pivotal platforms are purely based on observation and evaluation but never in the position of a marketer of lineal platform. These comments include: 1) Effect is limited to below pelvic line because the pelvice movement will absorb much vibration energy. MY COMMENT: Research shows the opposite (as compared to linear devices) PREVIOUS COMMENT: 2) Very few training position possibilities. MY COMMENT: We only use functional positions. The (often dangerous) fantasy positions we leave to the ‘marketeers’ (ask Nemes – producer of the first linear device and scientifically best supported – on their positions, and you will find they don’t use more positions then we do). PREVIOUS COMMENT: 3) Cannot adjust amplitude without changing position, e.g. you can train in different amplitude in lunge position. MY COMMENT: This sounds like the lazy ‘sportsman’; for others: lift your leg and place it closer or wider to the axle, and you have an endless choice of amplitudes. PREVIOUS COMMENT: 4) Poor designed pivotal platforms will cause motion sickness. MY COMMENT: Luckily for us the Galileo is well designed. PREVIOUS COMMENT: 5) Potential risk in pelvic and low back muscle injuries. MY COMMENT: Then you should not hold the device over your head. Furthermore it seems an interesting comment, knowing that these injuries are indicated for Galileo use. I look forward to the reactions.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Your “one is better than the other” comment is what I have been working against this entire time , as I see the two systems as seperate but complimentary. I do not agree it is in the best interests of the consumer to directly compare these machines and programs.

    The fact you dismiss my comments and theories so easily despite my companies reputation and shear number of people we have trained effectively under our label following our own strict programs and regulations (approx. 1000 sessions every 24hrs ) I find arrogant to say the least.

    Note: Your opinion on Lineal units is based on the machines built in the past with extremely limited knowledge of physics , bio-mechanics and involuntary reflexs . And the aggressive marketing that goes with operating out of fear and ignorance.

    I myself am not limited by contracts , legal ties or manufacturing issues so can adopt any system I wish. And it should be noted that the first unit I designed and built was Pivotal.

    Maybe dropping the defensive attitude would be a good start.

  • Martin Huizing

    Well Lloyd, your comment is comparable to the one Guus van der Meer (Powerplate) gave me; “I train Olympic athletes and top-soccer players” and “we’ve sold 1000’s of units…”, but at the same time it’s you who is bullying others.

    All of my comments are motivated, which cannot be said of yours. If you want to show your knowledge on the subject, then please comment with motivations we can check.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Please explain the bullying comment ?

    All I have given is my advice on two systems I believe only marketers have “motivation” to compare.

    No-one has to believe me and my knowledge can be checked by the various articles I have written over the years . My theories have been applied in real time to my business and has been successfull without comprimising should speak for itself.

    And remember I own the only company that refuses to sell units into the open market , which puts me in a unique position to comment on what is happening around me. Which is the opposite of Guus van der Meer.

    The fact you deny/not disclose to the consumer both systems are valid makes you, not me , look dishonest. I would also say it puts you smack in the same catagorie as PowerPlate.

    Please explain why I would be biased towards one system when I can have either ?

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Note: You commenting on others work does not make you knowledgable in this area. It only means you can read.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    I would also like to add that my work is original , not copied from anyone else and on a number of issues goes against what you are taught.

    My company is built on my machine designs , theories , Fq used and program development . I believe I look at Vibration Training on other levels not even discussed by other companies yet , so I fully understand you not appreciating any of it.

    Note: My company works on a results based mentality , no flashy marketing , just goodwill attained from doing the job properly day in and day out.

    You will find no smoke and mirrors here.

  • Mike Hair

    Martin Huizing.

    I own two WBV studio’s and I’m in direct compitition to Lloyd.
    When ever I have asked him ? about our machines (we have both pivotal & lineal) he has never said that one is better than the other as they are 2 totally different things. He has always been upfont and honest and I don’t fully understand why you say he is bullying others?
    Please explain

  • Di Heap


    I train regularly at one of Lloyd’s studios so I would like to comment.

    I have made enormous gains over 8 months using Lineal machines. This does not make these machines better or worse than the Pivotal machines you market, it means that they do the job they were designed to do. It seems to me, as a customer of WBV, that the arguments over which system is best are wasted effort and instead proprietors and marketers could be working together to enhance the knowledge of the industry and to clean up against cheap, poorly made replica machines, exposing those marketers and manufacturers who have no or little concern for the safety and wellbeing of the end user and huge concern for the $’s they can pocket.

    From the information about Galileo I read about The Importance of Titling: YOU SAY: Studies show that this stimulation form leads to improvement of power, balance, maneuverability, and improved power in muscles that are responsible for stability, such as adductors, abductors and muscles in the pelvis region.

    MY COMMENT: Walking downhill 18 months ago I slipped on a large seed pod and fell injuring knee and arm on my right side which healed quickly but also showing up an unknown weakness on my left side in the Gluteus Medius and worsening this, giving me referred nerve pain down my left leg constantly, worsened by periods of sitting such as computer work and eased by walking and jogging with the dichotomy that these activities place strain on that region and so that the day after activity I would have increased pain. I also have a true leg length discrepancy that I was previously unaware of and It is not recommended to treat this with orthotics as I have compensated for this all my life and so most treatments would de-stabilise me further.

    From using one of Lloyd’s Vertical platforms I have regained stability and balance, strength in abductor and adductors, flexibility, in that I can lean forward and touch my toes (although still somewhat overweight) and more. The increased amount of contraction of the Gluteus Medius when performing exercise is visible to my Physiotherapist and visible shaking because I could not control stability when performing therapy exercises lying on my back or side has totally gone. Pain has gone from constant low grade to none with some short term pain after long periods of sitting. Running and race-walking do not aggravate the condition. Time was not the factor in my recovery as 10 months of Physio and Osteopath treatments plus therapy exercise did not make any improvement yet using a lineal WBV platform gave noticible improvement very quickly.

    So this shows that for me, a lineal platform did exactly what you say a pivotal will do. Improvements were noticeable within 3 weeks of starting WBV.

    YOU SAY: Vibrations up to 28 Hz have a positive effect on coordination. Vibrations over this frequency cannot be processed very well.

    MY COMMENT: This is worrying if it is true. Prove it! My coordination has improved using fq over 40hz. I had a (drug caused) fairly minor stroke 15 years ago and I’ve suffered from balance (inner ear) problems plus minor difficulty in coordinating memory and speech. I have no balance problems at all now even if I have a cold/virus which previous led to me not knowing which way was I could not walk anywhere if my ears were affected by a virus. I still struggle to find the word or phrase I want to say sometimes but I believe I have no significant disability compared to others in my age/gender group. I have definitely improved and this has improved my self confidence. It’s no fun being unable to communicate easily due to one’s brain being slow in recalling information.

    Results of recent Blood tests for just about everything possible are all normal. This in itself is amazing especially as I have had Impaired Glucose Tolerance for 10 years plus other less than normal results. While these results might not be directly attributable to WBV I have made no other lifestyle changes.

    YOU SAY: Damping: The Galileo stimulation is based on the walking pattern, where left and right leg alternately are in contact with the ground. The muscles and other tissues of the body dampen these vibrations. The pelvis is tilting synchronous with the plate and functions as an important damper.

    MY COMMENT: Yes, that’s how we walk but there’s definitely something I don’t understand here. I walk forward. I can even walk backwards for a short time but I do not waddle like a duck from side to side which is the effect that I experience on a pivotal platform (though it was a cheap, poorly made one which might account for this). Pivotal machine are not walking machines as there is no forward propulsion so weight is not transfered in the way of walking and damping is not the same as it is when walking. When Race-Walking there is no(to the eye) loss of contact with the ground. While realising that Pivotal machines have rehabilitation benefits I cannot see how the sideways movement they provide can help me with forward movement. Balance yes but comparing pivotal with forward movement walking just seems odd.

    YOU SAY: Vibrations to the head are hereby optimally damped, which is essential within healthy WBV training.

    MY COMMENT: The main reason I did not buy a Pivotal machine (which was the first machine I tried)was because of head and neck vibrations. You say above; get a better Trainer; and maybe that was the problem but for me, head vibration was a big problem. I have also experienced unpleasant sensation using a Lineal platform when I was not in perfect position and that is something that Lloyd emphasizes – perfect position is an absolute and I note you also say it is essential.

    Cleaning up the Industry to get rid of cheaply priced, poor quality machines would help improve customer experience and safety.

    LLOYD SAYS: Both systems are good for increasing bone density.

    MY COMMENT: My already good bone density has slightly improved over 8 months. I’d like proof from you that hip up improvements are only possible using a pivotal platform. The vibrations going into my body from a lineal platform don’t suddenly stop when they reach my hips. If that were so I would not feel contraction in my upper body muscles. Also I do more than just stand on the machine; positions are used that target upper body. Again I have proof of the effectiveness of this as I have recently started going to a gym and my assessment for weights training showed that I am very strong in the upper body.

    So, I prefer lineal platforms but I have not had much experience with pivotal. I have not used Galileo and would like to try it. I’d like to see people working together to make this industry hugely successful at helping people achieve fitness, strength, rehabilitation and all. As part of a weight-loss program WBV has huge benefits and can help save lives!

    If I appear to be overly prejudiced towards Lloyd’s machines, that is because I am but I will also tell you that this week I have considered buying a company that is in opposition to Lloyd’s company and he has given me every help and advice I have asked for. He wants to clean up the industry not destroy all opposition.

  • Di Heap

    I need to qualify one of my statements:

    I said that using a lineal platform did exactly what you say a pivotal will do..

    Better to say: Using a specific Lineal platform, that is, one of Lloyd’s, gave me great results. I am unable to know if another brand would have given anything similar but I did try another brand and re-injured myself from the twisting and turning required to get into the positions that were used. I followed the program (with an Instructor) for Lloyd’s machines that all customers do.

  • Joshua Wiebe

    I own a studio with pivotal and lineal machines. There are VERY good benefits from both. I assess each client, there needs and goals and train them accordingly. The frequency comments between the two are incorrect. A pivotal unit running over 30hz would be very uncomfortable and could be damaging, especially to the back and knees due to the amplitude and motion. Lineal units should not be run less than 20hz to a max of 60hz. Just try and use these machines out of these frequencies and you will see why they are designed to run at these levels.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    I wrote an essay on the different power/speed ratios of Pivotal movement Vs Lineal movement in man and listed the reasons why.

    These contain physical experiments and conclusions anybody can percieve, which is why I wrote it.

    Then I get labeled a Pivotal basher?

  • YB

    These machines have only recently come out in our little village town. I am concerned about the experience of the people supervising the machinges.
    FitVib excel is what is been used.

    My questions to Llyod, after having 3 sessions on these machines, is why after the sessions I twice encountered slight pain or discomfit in one or other of my knees. What can I be doing wrong.
    I also found my hands afterwards went a bright pink colour. After the last session I also felt slight dizzyness.

    At what frequency should I be training as I have recently had surgery and am totally unfit. I see the supervisor sets it at 45.
    Where can I go to get more information on what are the correct postures to do the various exercises.
    I have tried to glean information from this blog and another one but must confess I am totally confused now. Am I using a lineal or pivotal machine.
    Would appreciate your help please.
    From South Africa

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Firstly experience and understanding of this technology is limited which is why I dont really agree with the outright sale of them to the public.

    (1) Your knees… Most obvious cause.

    Posture. Check out this workout and take specific notice of the instructions re foot placement (never go on your toes).

    The other explanation would be a past injury being irritated and causing fluid to gather around the knee. This is part of the healing process and it will drain by itself.

    (2) Pink hands = lots of blood. The hyper-stimulation causes this even in the feet.

    (3) Dizzyness = Low blood suger , this is the most obvious and regular reason. Eat well before you do program , even up till 5 mins before is ok.

    It also could be a little disorientation but that should only last a few sessions at most.

    Inner ear infections can cause dizzyness.

    (4) 45Hz good place to start.

    As for more info…

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Oh yea , FitVibe is Lineal.

  • Christopher Rose

    Lloyd, a couple of administrative points for your attention.

    As an avid link poster, please format them correctly. That means like this – Blogcritics – and not like this If you don’t know how, here is a very simple explanation on how to format a link correctly.

    Also, the url in the comments window above where you enter your many comments should be complete, including the http part. That way, anybody clicking on the url after your name in a published comment will go to your site, not to an error page as currently happens.

    This will benefit both you and your site.


    The Comments Editor

  • Di Heap

    There’s a lot of information available on these sites



    Vibration Training Net – Sorting Fact from Fiction

  • Di Heap

    Here are the two links that Lloyd suggested:

    Workout Exercises


    Safety First Workout Explained

  • YB

    Llyod Thanks very much for all that info.

    There is one exercise they make me do where my heels are pushed down off the machine so I’m not quite on my toes would this put pressure on the knees?

    Di. Thanks for all the site info I will go and check it out.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Sorry it is hard to understand from description. Anr you on you heels , flat footed of just toes.

  • YB

    Its the same exercise you would do on the edge of a step where you allow your heals to push down so that you are exercising your calves. Whereas here the heels go off the plate and only the toes remain on.

    But I think I see now where my problems lies after having a good look at your site showing the actual positions and the explanations you give of how to stand.

    I have been doing the lunge exercise which on your workout states not to be done with knee problems. I presume I should discontinue doing this one?

    Also I have not been told to make sure I am keeping my feet flat on the plate as well as when to look straight up and when to look down. So this will be something I will take note of at my next workout. I am always looking down so that may account for slight pain in the back of my neck!

    I have noticed on all your workouts they wear shoes. Is this necessary or can you do it barefoot, as this is how we have been doing them?

  • YB


    Sorry one more question. What is the difference between the Bullet and Standard exercises.

    Thanks for your patience

  • Lloyd Shaw

    I allow no exercises to be done on the toes at all , I believe the risks outweight the benefits. Leave this one for the gym.

    Yes shoes are a good idea as they spread the load over your foot and give better grip.

    Leave out the lunge if any knee problems. Far to dodgy and hard to judge if being done properly. Again risks may outweight benefits.

    If you want to find out if it is the toe pressure is causing irritation to your knees , try doing your squats with your toes not even touching the platform by placing a foam mat under your feet with your toes hanging off the front.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Scam Alert…

    It would seem that the same marketers that plagiarised my work to try and sell cheap Asian machines have now set up their own association in the U.S. and Canada…

    The American Vibration Fitness Trainers Association (AVFTA)

    To prove they have not learnt their lesson they have again plageriarised mine and Vibrationtraining.nets work to now try and convince people to buy courses and memberships. Charging personal trainers and manufacturors up to $1500 to get information that will be available for free.

    “The AVFTA offers… training certification and the HIGHEST ETHICAL STANDARDS. The AVFTA system was developed by a group of leading vibration trainers from the U.S. and Canada.

    I assume these are the same folk who had to steal others work to do their job last time.

    Where can I sign up ?

    And how do I know all this…

    VibraSlim …( the past offending company ) was registered under the name eNom Canada Corp through Atjeu Publishing Llc – Texas – Houston.

    The new…

    American Vibration Fitness Trainers Association (AVFTA)… has been registered under the name Enom .Inc through Atjeu Publishing Llc – Houston – Texas

    Greed and stupidity go so well together.

    I hope this again highlights the real dangers though of these scammers and shows everybody why communication within the “real” industry must be maintained even though we may be in competition with each other.

    Members of the I.V.T.R.B. will be sent a list of the actual people behind this.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    The Notice for PowerPlate N.Z. Ltds liquidation has appaired in the N.Z. Herald on 25th October 2007.

    I the Plantiff Lloyd Shaw will complete this action on the 12th November in the High Court .

    This kind of action in and out of court will continue until PowerPlate has either…

    (a) Apologised for its past behaviour and negotiates a settlement for those effected by it unethical practices.

    (b) Is dismantled globally.

    I will do what it takes to give our industry an example of what not to do….

  • Marcel

    I ran into this site when looking for research papers related to whole body vibration.I have about one hundred articles and abstracts some of them published recently based on not just case studies but on double blind studies. I respect criticism both positive and negative, but it looks that most of you simply go to the vendors’ websites for articles. That makes it very easy to “kill” the concept of vibration training or therapy. Most of them are copy cats, the research is old and indead they indicate applications that are false or at least to some extent. I really would encourage all of you who are interested in finding out what true research teams are finding.
    I have been in rehab and wellness for over 30 years and I have seen many new modalities and procedures been critized and been on the chopping block: microcurrent, isokinetics, myofascial release, cold laser just to name a few. Just like these vibartion training or whatever name it is given will be around. It works if used as a true exercise or rehab tool with the necessary rational approach.

  • Lloyd Shaw


    You will find alot of the past research is invalid , as sometimes no tests where done on the machines ( manufacturors specs used only ) . And others only had Fq and Ampl done , which are useless without the other measurements.

    One recent major 3 yr study has been effected by the dishonesty of the manufacturor.

  • Marcel


    I would like to encourage anybody who is interested in information regarding “whole body vibration” to visit the following site this will open the following link

    Go to “Clinical Queries” and type in any topic in the Search by Clinical Study Category. It will open a list with the most recent published studies and controlled trials.

    You are right with your remarks about the Fq and Ampl. There is a much more complex relationship between the two. The type of motor, 1 or 2 motors and the HP are very relevant. How this effects in strength gain, osteoporosis and so on is left to the researchers.

    It this point I consider a vibration platform as an ideal vehicle to exercise and rehab my clients. It allows me to get people to exercise that are truly deconditioned and believe me it is not a lazy person’s exercise device.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    I have yet to see a single paper with the appropriate information. Very poor science indeed.

    Have you checked out

  • Marcel


    Thanks for the assist. Great site. I actually like you guys “challenging” each other. Only WBV can benefit of it.

    In one of the posting you mention a graph to calculate the G force. Where do I find it?

  • Lloyd Shaw

    It is a program. If you e-mail me I can send it to you.

    But remember it does not account for the rest of the equation that make up the action of a vibration platform. Only allows you to play with the mass/acceration formula of the person. And thats if the machine has no drop off.

  • Giovanni Ciriani

    Marcel, you don’t really need a graph to calculate “G” acceleration: G = ((F*6.28)^2 * A/2)/9.8 where F is the frequency in Hz and A is the amplitude in meters. If you enter the amplitude in millimeters (or mm), the value of the expression is approximated with a 1% accuracy by
    G = F/10 * F/10 * 0.2 * mm

    For example at 30 Hz and 2 mm you obtain
    G= 3 * 3 * 0.2 * 2 = 3.6 g

    It’s only high-school physics!

    Giovanni Ciriani

  • Kara

    Hello everyone- I have just spent a good dealof time reading many of the posts on this blog about WBV therapy and I was hoping for some input from those of you who have doen a whole lot more research than I have. My husband and I have a beautiful 2.5 year old daughter with a terminal genetic disease. Physical manifestations include low muscle mass, ataxia (balance problems), bone density issues, growth issues. We have been looking at WBV therapy as an option to help her manage these symptoms as there is really no other treatment options available right now. We were contacted by a TurboSonic rep and have considered trying to lease one of their machines, but after reading this blog I wonder if the pivotal or triangular machines are better for her particular needs. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks. Kara

  • Lloyd Shaw

    If you choose this type of therapy for your child ( what does her specialist think ? ) my advice would be to use a Lineal plate. As effective Lineal/static poses are hard enough to show someone so young , Pivotal would make it damn near impossable.

    I would have a look at something very light and cheap like a soloflex, if you are to do this my advice is to not listen to the sales reps but educate yourself. Go to and start reading , and dont stop untill you have covered all the topics.

    Then make a choice.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Industry news…

    VibraSlim have released the following statement…

    ” BEWARE of Chinese machines, they will fall apart”

    They are the same people that supplied Chinese made units for extreme prices.

    They plan to release a new machine called the “EuroPlate ” , to feed off the anti-Chinese backlash they have helped create.

  • Fitness Consultants

    This is an interesting debate…folks are literally debating who is the best, who is most honest, and which specific results can be verified according to “white paper” analysis. Hey, we all know that with enough time and money…perhaps both, anyone can suggest they have all of the answers. I have called several manufacturers…spoken at length with some, and I am of the opinion that only time will sort this out. Personally, I love the Jack LaLanne day’s…a person could watch, follow, and participate regularly with exercise demonstrated in ways that an average person could appreciate. In today’s world you have to have the best “mouse-trap” to get any attention (marketplace). So I’m putting this out there: If you (manufacturer) can express to our readers (in the form of video, flash or layman’s text), clients, and website visitors, the validity and efficacy of your whole body vibration machine – then I will send them your way, free of charge. Please feel free to visit Fitness Consultants.

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Why is the Vibration Training market so hard to understand ?

    This is a question I am being asked constantly now with most people getting very confused as to what to buy , why and from whom. I will quickly explain below the concerns I have and how the confusion surrounding this industry is deliberate and why I am so hard on those selling dodgy machines.

    (1) If a machine is not built to a good standard not only will it not work for long ( reports of broken units coming in hard and fast lately ) ,but it may not work at all. Combine that with the injury risks from uncontrolled 3D units or machines running at incorrect Fq its just not worth it.

    (2) Simply creating a “Vibration” is not Vibration Training , if it was that simple then we would have had this science up and running 100yrs ago , correct ? The only people you will hear say otherwise are the same marketers/manufacturors that would sell you fake Aids drugs .

    (3) If a machine is built to the level of a proper Vibration Training device the correct postures needed when in contact with the unit becomes so important that unsupervised use actually becomes irresponsable. ( education of the buyer is very important here )

    (4) If the program does not match the unit , even the best machine can become an injury trap.

    Why is this not told to you….

    To some involved in this industry , taking your money is just a game , with the fact they are selling you a health product to be used on your body not even considered. They risk some capital , you risk your spine , and the expanding obesity crisis comes second to their expanding bank accounts.

    This is the game they are playing with you and why it looks so confusing from the outside……

    In chess you have 3 stages to a game.

    (1) Opening
    (2) Middle game
    (3) End game


    In the opening players set up their defences and potential attacks. If a photo of the game around move 10 was shown to most other players they could basically work out whats going on even if they had not witnessed the game up till that point.

    Our opening was the “real” industry building good quality units , testing units , doing R&D or opening places to access them safetly.

    Middle Game….

    This is where you will see pieces scattered all around the board in what appears to be a random order, a photo of a middle game would tell an outside player little as to others stratagies and past movements, this is YOU the consumer at the moment , looking at a middle game and wondering why it looks so disorganaized.

    This is where the marketers like to step into the game , making off the confusion and doing their upmost to make out they are a part of the “real” industry , relying on the presumption you will just get tired of hearing conflicting information and flow like water to the nearest/cheapest dealer. Their mantra of ” but at least at this price you arnt risking much ” sounds logical, except for the risk to you future health that is not being discussed.

    The dishonest marketers/manufacturors ( about 160 out of 180 at last count ) have relied on this confusion period to be of 5yrs minimum from the introduction of Vibration Training to your country, so they can make back their investments. They fully understand the risks to you.

    My aim is this , to shorten the ” Middle Game ” buy releasing so much marketing free information to the consumer as to collapse their plan and give them a very expensive lesson at the same time. And yes I am aware how aggressive and condescending this sounds.

    The end game is yet to come….

    A group of us have made it our relentless endevour to have a clean industry where the end game has no losers but those who should not have been playing with your health in the first place.

    If you are still confused , my advice is to wait for us to finish our work. In the mean time education is your only weapon. Keep reading , keep asking…..

  • Lynn

    after trying to find out info about a new(well its new in South Africa) therapy\exercise I obviously ran into Lloyd online and his articles, his honesty and not trying to sell his product impressed me and I sent him a mail trying to find out if I could purchase one of his franchises for south Africa (opening myself right up for a hard sell i know) BUT he didn’t , infact he put me onto someone he deems as ethical in SA to try starting up independantly but to come back for any help if I need!! from an honesty\ethical perspective i’d have to say you can’t fault the guy.

  • Lloyd Shaw


    “Europlate” pays ..$208 ( U.S.) from the factory in Asia not Europe.

    How much are they trying to charge …..$1699 (U.S.)

    Misleading , unethical, ripoffs artists.

  • sergio


    I live in Mexico City and i want to buy a Vibration machine to use in my home, i never do any kind of exercise and i just want to start to do it, one of my big problems is i just not have a lot of time to do it.

    What kind of machine you recomend me to start

  • Lloyd Shaw

    Sergio… ( caught up with me at )

    Hope the info halped.

    Industry news….

    The new HyperGravity range is getting good reviews. These machines really are a step up and I believe the commercail units will do very well in the gym market.

    Power Plate have just been caught again….

    Claiming their machines to be Class 1 medical devices , only one problem…..

    Both KEMA and TUV the organizations responsable for such listings say a Vibration platform has to be a class 2A , class 1 is only for low risk medical device like plasters and bandages.

    It is obvious Power Plate are bending the truth again to fool the consumer.

    Truly earning the title as the most unethical company our industry has witnessed.

  • BdN

    I’m not gonna get involved in the whole WBV thing. But I just wanted to say that the whole “evolutionary theory” part by Lloyd @109 is completely nonsensical.

  • Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train

    And why would that be BdN ?

  • BdN

    Well, sorry, I didn’t want to insult you. Maybe my “completely nonsensical” was a little bit too strong for what I intended. All I wanted to say is that, even though your conclusions may be right (as I said, I don’t want to get involved in the debate), your premises about evolution are not completely true and those about human evolution are false.

    If it’s true that prey species tend to have eyes a little bit further on the side, so they can see a wider area, both prey and predators have binocular vision ; the so-called “prey” species have a narrower one, but one nonetheless. One must not forget that preys are also often predators. For example, if some rodent is a prey to bigger mammals, it also prey on other species, may it be smaller mammals or insects. They’re are also many mammals with eyes “on the side” which are predators. See killer whales amongst others.

    As for humans, since we are primates, our stereoscopic vision evolved for the same reasons as the other ones. There are two main hypothesis for the origin of primates. If the second one “fits” with the predator scheme, the most acknowledged one does not. Primates diverged from their ancestors because of their adaptation to arboreal living. There comes their reliance on vision : “in a complex, three-dimensional environment with uncertain footholds, acute vision with depth perception is a necessity” (“Mammalian/primate evolutionary history”, chap. 7 in Understanding Physical Anthropology and Archeology”). Forward facing eyes have evolved mostly in cluttered environments, where leafs may play a great role. Finally, most primates, which have forward facing eyes, are not predators. Just think of gorillas : they are mostly herbivorous.

    As for the muscle part, if it is true that you are “made” to go forward and not sideways, you could say the same about “prey” species. You mention horses as a “prey” species saying “This is very different than some animals like horses that can not. This is why they will jump over a puddle only an inch deep . They are not nervous about water , they just can not tell how deep the puddle is. They are PRAY animals”. But when you talk about muscles, you say “Take the legs for example , the Quad and Hamstring ( our “drive” muscles )being much larger by far than our Adductor muscles. Essentially meaning we can never run sideways as fast or as powerfull (sic) as we can forwards.” Well, I am pretty sure we can say the same about horses : even if they are a prey species with eyes on the sides, the will never be able to run sideways as fast as they can forwards. And as far as I know, most quadrupeds, prey or predator, can’t.

    I think that’s enough. But just to be sure : humans did not evolve as predators. Read any book about human evolution. We pray more than other primates but are far from being lions.

    Hope that helps.

  • Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train

    “I was being simplistic ”

    If you look at my work it is clearly intended to be read by the average consumer. It was not meant as a full scale anthropology lesson or a peer reviewed paper . My articles are designed to be read in only a few minutes , that task can only be done by giving an outline of the subject. Of course its going to resemble a piece of Swiss cheese.

    To not want to “get into” the vibration training aspect means the article is actually pointless to write , or even to read. As it was ONLY written to help explain the force/reaction differences applied to someone using a Pivotal or Lineal unit and having some dodgy salesman tell them they are the same thing .

    What you wrote is a good lesson why academics have been useless to my industry , your comments helped no-one except it gave you a chance to quote someone else’s work. Good on you , you can read , you get a gold star.

    Note: I have designed better machines by using original theory and not following what others tell me is the “only” truth. The ‘experts” that were running the industry 5 yrs ago now get me to fix their problems. If I blindly believed the text books that would never have happened.

  • Richard

    Having had my interest aroused in this article by Sal, as a scientist interested in vibration exercise machines, I am disappointed not to see a more scientific analysis by Sal. I also see no evidence of professional scientific or medical qualifications other than his string of personal physical achievements, which while they make him a great achiever, don’t exactly prove him to be the best analytical engineer. To make it worse, some of the comments are downright rude, in very bad taste and uneducated. Not all individuals are ‘couch potatoes’ and many people trying to increase fitness are over 60, suffering from arthritis or other ailments and not as lucky as some of the obviously supermen who have written some of these critical replies. I think I would have had more truth and sense out of a kid’s comic book. Sorry, but you have demeaned what could have been a very interesting discussion. My suggestion is to go back to school again and learn how to evaluate equipment properly before you write such rot again.

  • Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train

    [Entire comment deleted. Lloyd, your comments are being edited or deleted because you keep insulting people rather than sticking to the subject.

    People are allowed to write articles expressing their own opinions and commenters are allowed to challenge those opinions but not belittle our writers or other commenters.

    Finally, and not for the first time of asking, please insert the missing seven characters from the beginning of your own site URL into the URL box directly above where you enter your actual comment.

    Christopher Rose
    Blogcritics Comments Editor]

  • Anomo

    I think maybe it is time for you to just say comments were edited because they were uncomfortably accurate. It is my understanding LS caught the author fiddling with the facts to suit his story, if he does this it should be allowed to stay public in the interest of a balanced point of view for the reader.

  • Vibes

    Vibration therapy is awesome

  • Oldie

    i guess that the vibration machine trend is something that is here to stay and whether we like or dislike the concept, no-one can argue that point.

    My great excitement with this technology is for the older citizens who are reluctant to partake of physical activity for a number of reasons. Personal safety being the prime consideration for most. If WBV is as good as a lot of people/studies say, then the health benefits for this group would have to be enormous. These people have the greatest health issues and are often most fragile as they fight to maintain their independance. As we age, we have less exercise tolerance and are not able to maintain the level of activity once enjoyed.

    If the claims made are accurate then WBV can lead to Greater balance, = less falls = less trips to hospital, greater independance. If the osteoporosis claims are anywhere near accurate, less fractures = less trips to hospital = less surgery = greater independance. If the claims re blood pressure are accurate, less medications, less cost = greater independance. If the claims re stress incontinence are correct – dont tell TENA, but the oldies will have greater independance.

    Hmmmm, has anybody targeted this group.

  • David Peters

    I am more confused than ever about which type of machine to purchase… I am a male, 5’8″ , 56 years old and in good health. My goal is to supplement the pullups, pushups, cycling and swimming I already do. I desire to move lymph, build/maintain muscle mass and hopefully improve my overall sense of well being… Any suggestions for me?

  • Cindy

    Yes, here are my suggestions. Keep on doing what you do. Then take some time to relax. If you must do something else, take some yoga, or dance, or tennis or whatever you might like that’s interesting. Don’t, however, fall for buying a vibration machine. They are fake and are designed by unscrupulous people to get your money into their pockets.

  • Stevey

    Recent studies indicate this is an effective alternative to weight training and can be done until you are very old safely.
    Yes there are fake machine around as Cindy suggests, but if you get a good machine it is well worth the money and cheaper than a lifetime membership at a gym.

  • Abr Sys

    I read your article with interest debunking the WBV myth or at least shedding light on it…
    In the end it left me thinking about Charles Atlas and his dynamic tension course. I bought it when I was 13 years old with the money I saved from doing my paper round and other stuff. I never got to look like Charles A. I have to say.
    I see a direct parallel between WBV and dynamic tension, I think they both give enormous benifits over the long term done consistently – that is anything that’s flexed will give the system and increased flow of what ever makes it tick. For the body that’s a good thing. Activity I would think can provoke/promote both growth or reduction depending on the tissue structure.
    WBV has got to be a good thing in the end hasn’t it? Even if it doesn’t totally deliver on the hyped – much the same a the zillions of diet plans No?
    Best regards Abr.

  • Ashley Kalym

    This type of machine (and most others that seem to get invented these days), do only one thing; Take the work out of workout. You will not get fitter by working easier or by having the gadget do the work for you. This is simple logic. Anybody who disagrees does so only because they have money to lose. As in so much of life, the simple methods are superior to the complex. Burpees, hill sprints, etc, will give you better results, in less time, and for no cost. Wake up.

  • Louise

    I am not sure how to use this site. Never blogged before. My husband just had to go on disability for Parkinson’s. It has thrown our world upside down. We are trying to decide if we should buy a WBV device. We would like to try the VibraFlex but can not find one in the state of Utah. He is at the moment trying out the VibePlate at our local hospital. We can not find any info on what Hz or time to use. He tried 25Hz for 12 minutes. 3 on 1 off, he thought that his legs felt a little more relaxed but after two times raised the Hz to 60 because of an article. He has not felt well for the past 4 days. Today he feels better and will try at 35Hz, but we don’t know for how long. After looking at workout site from Lloyd, it seems he should be at 45Hz for 1 min. in a basic squat. Is that all he should do?
    Thank you for your help. Louise

  • Angela

    I don’t know if all the claims are accurate (I didn’t read them all.) However they’re probably not. But a vibration platform did keep mice slimmer and help increase bone density. Only fifteen minutes a day, and I’m pretty sure they weren’t exercising on it! (maybe walking around.)

  • Gaakula

    Sal M – I’m a big believer in the WBV and myself an athlete / phsyical active person my life of 60 + yrs and working with numerous WBV machines since 2004 & the effect on the population ( from; the want to be Pro-Athlete, to the Active Aging and everyone in-between ). I started reading the article and then got into back & forth between you. & Derek.

    Sal M – straight out you should read what you say and step back & look at it. You have your opinion and don’t seem to have half a brain to look at any NEW equipment ( WBV ) and the out come of that equipment, I have real trouble with YOUR Bull-Shit double talk, when Derek gives you answer worthy of your questioned statement and you still don’t give it any room. Do something else because your not giving your athletes the best effort as their trianer.

  • Neil Whyte

    I am catching my breath reading Derek and Sal M.
    I regard myself as a Longevity health and fitness specialist. In other words I seek long term benefits from the nature that slow down the aging process.
    I have tried Vibration machines and personally felt uncomfortable on it. My brain did not like it. I feel more comfortable front squatting 70kg standing on a swiss ball.
    Aside from that, we live in a world now of gadgets, toys and trinkets where people want quick results from usually a marketing story sold to them.
    Vibration training is one of them, and is being marketed heavily from everyone who wants a piece of the pie. What makes me laugh is how some can cost $20,000 whilst another at under $1000.
    Perhaps it may be cheaper to buy a bunch of electric shavers and vibrators then stand on them.

  • River

    Neil, vibration is not vibration training. Go to and look under all the positive research being released.

    It is Ok if you cant understand it, as its quite complicated.

  • PhilB

    Sal, I think what you have here is a classic industrial plant.
    This Derek Daniel guy works for Vibraflex.
    These guys do this all day long.
    He’s wasting your time.

  • Patty

    I used the hypergravity machine in physical therapy. I was in a car accident that severely damaged a disk in my neck so the main therapy was disk decompression. The physical therapist had me doing a warm up routine, balancing on a board, then using the hypergravity machine to help build my core strength. I used other weight machines in physical therapy, though I believe using the power plate was very helpful. So helpful that I purchased one and use it at home regularly. I know my muscles are stronger by how much more I can do, I definitely feel improved core strength, and I don’t experience pain after using it. Of course I incorporate other exercise that helps me feel well. My physical therapist uses the power plate for many patients, and he let me know an older female patient who had a tremendous amount of lost bone density saw a remarkable reversal of her condition with improved bone density and the only change she had made was using the power plate.

  • River

    hypergravity and powerplate are two different products. Hypergravity tried to build high quality steel machines like vibratrain, but failed. powerplate never tried to build quality, just cheaply out of plastic.I smell a rat in pattys comment.

  • John

    I came here hoping to find a few unbiased comments and found that all you did was attack a device that clearly has hundreds of documented research articles. No need to rebut since I will not return here. You are clearly misinformed and I would encourage you to try to become more so before posting any more nonsense. Not all WVB is the same and I personally found rotation or oscillating vibration to be good and researchable. Vertical such as the power plate are very misleading and quite dangerous. I wish you better luck in doing actual research.

  • sylvie Patrick

    in September 2012, NASM will release its new text book with Whole Body Vibration chapter! In august 9th 2012, Dr.signorelli will address his research results started 3 years ago at the University of Miami hospital..
    Time will show that WBV is worth trying.