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The Republicans, Public Enemy, Sistah Souljah, and FDR’s Famous Warning

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I had been away from the Mississippi Delta for nearly a decade when the hip-hop group Public Enemy came out with their seminal album Fear of a Black Planet back in 1990. I remember thinking about that title — Fear of a Black Planet. I have no doubt that many of my fellow whites from the Delta saw the album as a threat, a call to arms among young black men everywhere… but I strongly suspect that very few whites realized that Public Enemy's Chuck D was harshest of all on his fellow blacks, expounding on everything from history to fashion: "use your brain instead of a gun … drugs are death … know your past so you won't screw up the future … gold chains worn around the neck demean the brotherhood in South Africa." But to a racist – even to those who were 'only' moderately so such as myself – what would have mattered was not the contents of the album, but the title on its cover. I cannot think of a more appropriately-named work of art when it comes to the fear that is driving the current resurgence of overt racism among whites in America.

Fear. That indeed is what is driving the right-wing call to arms. Another pivotal moment in race relations was something that has become a part of modern culture, pop and political, the Sistah Souljah moment: "If black people kill black people every day, why not have a week and kill white people?" Whites – and many blacks – saw that as a baldly extremist statement supporting racial violence… and in almost any context, that's precisely what it is.


Here's something else Sistah Souljah said that was eerily prescient of the attitudes of many white conservatives today: ""Racism is a disease. It affects whites as well as blacks. It may even be a kind of mental illness. But the effect on black people is greater because we are the victims of it. The effect on whites is severe because it deforms their thinking and gives them a distorted picture of the world. But because the economics of racism is inarguably in their favor, most whites learn to live with it, even to deny it."

The Republicans (and their comrades-in-arms in the Tea Parties) aren't racist. They'll tell you precisely that, and point directly to RNC Chairman Michael Steele as proof. Of course the burden of proof is not on the accused – the Republicans – but on the accuser.

When someone commits a crime, those around him who know he committed a crime but still protect and support him are accessories after the fact. Strictly speaking, it's not a crime to make a racist statement… but it is a legally accepted cause for dismissal from a job or from military service. Make racist (or racially insensitive) comments in the modern workplace and you're literally placing your career at risk – unless you're a Republican politician. Haley Barbour, Republican governor of Mississippi, recently stated that the political scandal surrounding Republican Virginia governor Johnny Secesh's decision to declare this April as "Confederate History Month" without any reference to slavery "not significant, trying to make a big deal of something [that] doesn't amount to diddly."

Now that's not necessarily racist, is it? Well, let's put that in the context of the man who said it: Republican Governor Barbour. Governor of Mississippi, Haley Barbour, who spoke before a Council of Conservative Citizens-sponsored political rally in 2003 and was photographed with Council leaders. He later claimed that he knew nothing about the Council of Conservative Citizens. This is especially hard to believe since he was the Republican National Committee Chairman when Trent Lott was embroiled in the controversy over his connections with the blatantly racist CCC.

But this is just one governor of a backwater state, right? No. In fact, Governor Barbour has been one of the leading lights of the Republican party for some time. He served as an adviser to President Ronald Reagan for two years as Director of the White House Office of Political Affairs, served two terms as Chairman of the Republican National Committee, and in 2000 Haley chaired the Bush for President Campaign Advisory Committee in Washington, D.C. He was one of ten members of Governor Bush’s National Presidential Exploratory Committee in 1999. He is one of the most influential Republican politicians in America.

And he is a racist. Here is an Anti-Defamation League article describing the history of and current political connections of the Council of Conservative Citizens. To be sure, in 1998 the then-chairman of the RNC Jim Nicholson asked Republican party members to resign from the CCC because of its racist views, but six years later many Southern lawmakers were still pandering to and meeting with the CCC — and still pleading ignorance. No fewer than 38 federal, state, and local elected officials had attended CCC events between 2000 and 2004, most of them giving speeches to local chapters of the hate group — including Haley Barbour.

Now would such an organization be tolerated by the Democrats? Back in the 1960s and early 1970s, yes. Remember, the CCC was largely started in the 1960s by a racist Democratic senator named James O. Eastland. But just as the Democratic party has evolved from once accepting and supporting racism and segregation to supporting the progress of civil rights in word and deed, the Republican party has moved away from the days of Reconstruction when they were the only major political organization supporting civil rights to now by their silence tolerating racist organizations and politicians.

And how they have changed!

During Reconstruction following the Civil War, there were no fewer than 22 African-American men and one African-American woman elected to the House of Representatives, all from the South, all from the Republican party, and 11 of whom were former slaves. Since 1901, there have been exactly four African-American Republicans elected to Congress: Sen. Edward Brooke (1967-1979), who was by today's standards more liberal than most Democrats; Rep. Oscar DePriest (1929-1935); Rep. Gary Franks (1991-1997); and J.C. Watts (1995-2003). And none of these were from the South, the home of the KKK, the home of the CCC — and the centerpiece of the Republicans' Southern Strategy popularized by Nixon political strategist Kevin Phillips after he saw the growing success of the Civil Rights Act:

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that… but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.

Before the Democratic party began giving broad support to civil rights in word and deed, the South was firmly in the Democratic camp. But just as Nixon strategist Phillips predicted, as the blacks became stronger within the Democratic party, the whites fled to the Republican party…and now the South is the strongest pillar of the Republican base.

The Republican party is not officially racist. But they do tolerate racists (and so make themselves accessories after the fact). And as long as they continue to do so, their political base will continue to have Fear of a Black Planet, will continue to fear that the next African-American he or she meets is about to have a "Sistah Souljah moment," will continue to fear that his or her grandchildren might have skin of a darker shade. And they'll continue to listen to the weekly, sometimes daily race-baiting by the most powerful conservatives in America: the radio talk show hosts like Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Savage, and Beck.

Fear indeed! Fear keeps those radio talk show hosts in business. Fear keeps the gun shop owners and gun show promoters in business. Fear is what has more than doubled right-wing extremist groups in the past year.

"The only thing we have to fear…is fear itself!" A wise man once said that. He knew then – as any historian knows now — that fear is perhaps the greatest enabler of persecution, of tyranny, of atrocity.

This, too, will pass. In the decades to come, when whites are no longer the majority race in America and the Republican party finally confronts its own imminent marginalization, then and only then will they begin to realize the magnitude of the long-term error of Kevin Phillips' Southern Strategy, his cognizance of the Southern whites' Fear of a Black Planet. Perhaps it will then be too late to avoid marginalization… but given the fact that both major political parties have remade themselves before, there is hope for them yet. But it will surely be a painful transition, as all political upheavals are wont to be.

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About Glenn Contrarian

White. Male. Raised in the deepest of the Deep South. Retired Navy. Strong Christian. Proud Liberal. Thus, Contrarian!
  • Sen. Edward Brooke (1967-1979) (who was by today’s standards more liberal than most Democrats), Rep. Oscar DePriest (1929-1935), Rep. Gary Franks (1991-1997), and J.C. Watts (1995-2003)…and none of these were from the South, the home of the KKK

    Glenn. First I suggest that you go and find a map of the United States and locate Oklahoma on it. Then locate the Mason-Dixon line and extend it westward. Where is Oklahoma relative to that line?

    Second I suggest that you go check out a history book and look up the history of the KKK. In particular look into the period of its greatest popularity which was in the 1920s. Note which states it was most popular in under the leadership of David C. Stephenson. It had chapters in 22 states when he was Grand Dragon. Almost all of them were located in the north.


  • Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    First, those of us from the Deep South do not consider Oklahoma as being part of the South. In all honesty, where I grew up we considered neither Florida – the Great Northern Retirement Home – nor Texas part of the South. Texas, as far as the Deep South is concerned, is “out west”.

    Second, if you’ll look at your map, there’s a WHOLE LOT MORE STATES in the North than in the South. Furthermore, at the time of the “Second Klan”:

    The Klan had major political influence in several states and was influential mostly in the center of the country. The Klan spread from the South into the Midwest and Northern states, and into Canada where there was a large movement against Catholic immigrants. At its peak, Klan membership exceeded four million and comprised 20% of the adult white male population in many broad geographic regions, and 40% in some areas.] Most of the Klan’s membership resided in Midwestern states.

  • zingzing

    “First, those of us from the Deep South do not consider Oklahoma as being part of the South.”

    oklahoma? the south? you have to be kidding. dave, that’s the midwest. “the south” is the southeast, even according to you plains or desert folk. the south extends to missusuapai, but don’t stend no futhu. we out hea don’t tend to no plane that go in no bread baskut. we just tend on our coasts. o-griginal colonies, we are, just from maryland down to georgia. arkansas go go fuck it self. maybe florda counts, but that’s just a bunch of snowbirds.

    don’t put no oklahoma shit on us lest we put some oklahoma shit on you, texas boy.

  • zingzing

    glenn–fear of a black planet is probably the best production job i’ve ever heard. a lot of people would point to nation of millions, but fear is just information overload. one of the greatest albums ever made. i know you’re talking about a lot more than this, but i just thought i’d go for the music. (and the music is always more important than the stupid politics, so

  • Arch Conservative

    If you don’t share Glenn’s political views you’re a racist?

    Didn’t see that one coming. I mean the entire article is so original and refreshing.

    The pulitzer is in the mail I’m sure Glenn.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    Now that I have a spare moment to finish my reply, your comment on the KKK is essentially a non sequitur.

    But let me digress for a moment. Up until yesterday afternoon – after my article had been published – I had bought into the belief (taught me back in the days when I still thought the Confederacy was a pretty cool thing) that the Civil War was never about slavery, but more about commerce issues and states rights. Even until YESTERDAY, Dave, the conservatives had me – a left-wing moonbat – fooled!

    But I happened upon a quote from the Mississippi Declaration of Succession, and the Civil War WAS all about slavery! From beginning to end, the document declares the ‘absolute necessity’ of slavery and decries the growing hostility of the northern states to said institution of human bondage. The NAACP was right all along, and the old white men I listened to were flat wrong.

    Remember – I’ve got deep roots there. All my direct ancestors (save one) all the way back to before the Civil War lay in a small cemetery not five miles from my house there.

    Was Mississippi’s declaration perhaps an aberration? So I checked, and it was NOT. Georgia felt the same way, and – to an only slightly lesser extent – so did Texas.

    And now you see in me the tendency carried on by so many in the South who even now – nearly 145 years after Lee’s surrender at Appomattox Courthouse – still argue about the War and its causes. Those in Texas won’t do so to the same degree, for while you did spend blood and treasure for the Confederacy, there were no major battlegrounds in Texas. Our major monuments are the major battlegrounds of the War – your monuments are from your war of independence from Mexico.

    But from this day forward I know the truth – the Civil War truly WAS the “war against slavery”, as this article from the Texas-based right-wing Wallbuilders is gracious enough to show.

    But that’s not what my article is about, Dave. What my article IS about is the continued tolerance for racists within the Republican party, and about a pivotal political strategem (the Southern Strategy) which played upon the fears stoked by racism. My article is NOT about the KKK of the 1920’s. I’d appreciate it if you’d address the issues I raised in my article.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    erratum – Lee’s surrender was just over 145 years ago – April 7th, 1865.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    doggone it! April 9th, 1865! Sometimes being a little obsessive-compulsive is a real pain in the keister!

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Arch –

    The Republican party certainly does not condone racism…but does knowingly tolerate racists. I provided solid proof of this within the article. Whether or not you want to agree with the facts is of no consequence.

  • Chairman of the Republican National Coeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemittee,

    Glenn, leaving aside entirely the content of the article (which I haven’t fully read yet), it really strikes me as odd that no editor caught this blooper on Page 1. I realize that the immense salaries they receive for their work can be used to justify this kind of carelessness, but it still makes the site look bad.

  • Well, Glenn, I finally did read the full article. When are you going to seek to have the Republican party banned in America as racist? That is the next logical step, isn’t it?

    Oh, and in case any editors are actually reading this, the blooper in the article is still there, and is on Page 2 of the article, not Page 1. Feel free to edit out this paragraph and comment #10 when you have actually corrected the error.

  • Doug Hunter

    A read I suppose, nothing I haven’t come to expect from you. I think your comment regarding the reasons for secession would have made a better article (perhaps shown some light on a little ignorance), although more historical than political, but still applicable in either case.

    I don’t know whether governers of certain southern states harbor racist sentiment. What I do know is that racism has been made into a witchhunt and a default argument by some (yourself included). You have trouble admitting a call to kill whites is a racist comment on one hand, yet it’s enough to be convict someone else based on a photograph with somebody, who’s part of some organization, that at some time held racist views.

    Of course, it seems entirely baseless and illogical to me, but that’s a different worldview. In the ultimate of ironies, someone like me (or perhaps MLK) who believes in a colorblind society is now considered racist, while those who support encoding racial preference and special treatment are considered innocent of the same. Skin color is no different than eye or hair color.

    In a nation of 300,000,000+ and 299,999,999+ camera phones it’s fairly rare to catch someone higher than a D-lister in life doing anything overtly racist. There are a tiny fringe on Stormfront, etc. and almost every year someone dies in a hate crime (usually homosexuals). We don’t really have far to go except in the mind of the older generations who must view everything through a racist prism. Have faith though, the youth in this country aren’t burdened with that handicap. Can race be let go, or must we simply let all the racists die off?

  • “served two terms as Chairman of the Republican National Coeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemittee”

    Whoa… what?!?!?!?

    Now I need to wait for my brain to stop ringing before I read the rest of this.

  • Since 1901, there have been exactly THREE African-American Republicans elected to Congress: Sen. Edward Brooke (1967-1979) (who was by today’s standards more liberal than most Democrats), Rep. Oscar DePriest (1929-1935), Rep. Gary Franks (1991-1997), and J.C. Watts (1995-2003)…

    That’s four, not three.

    Who edited this?

  • Glenn Contrarian

    To all –

    As I pointed out to Arch-Con, the Republican party does not condone racism, but DOES tolerate racists…and I provided proof of this within my article. Furthermore, I pointed out that there is real hope for the Republican party to change since history shows that political parties can radically change, that the Republicans were once the only party that really supported civil rights for African-Americans.

    Sistah Souljah’s “moment” looks like a racist call to arms…until one examines the CONTEXT of her words, of her life. Governor Haley Barbour’s “[slavery] doesn’t mean diddly” statement can even seem somewhat reasonable…until one examines the CONTEXT of the life he’s lived.

    In my experience, most conservatives don’t think racism is nearly so big a deal as liberals make it out to be. But then, why is it that even now, 55 years after Brown vs. Board of Education, are there schools in strongly-conservative small-town Mississippi having to be forced by court order to comply with desegregation?

    America’s come a long, long way when it comes to racism…but we’ve still got so very far to go.

  • cannonshop

    Ah, where to start?

    it isn’t like this is unexpected. A few articles ago, I finally realized that Contrarian really CAN’T comprehend the idea that someone might be opposing his holiness the One, the Gentleman from Chicago, hte Occupant of the White-House, without being a racist.

    It’s simply not possible, in Glenn’s world. Probably one of the most toxic legacies of Jim Crow, is the obsession with skin colour, and in trying to overcome his crippled upbringing in south Georgia, he’s just traded one obsession with skin colour for another.

    It’s really sad, it’s also pathetic. (Hey, I’m assuming sincerity instead of crass exploitation here-it’s certainly possible that it’s just a convenient weapon, but the man’s former Navy, and not all Navy men are asshats that dishonoured the uniform like John Frikking’ Kerry…)

    So, for the moment, I’ll just chalk it up to cultural disability here-you can’t be opposed to the Left-Democrats without being a racist fuck in Glenn Contrarians world.

    As for the editing mistakes-either Glenn’s rep is so good that nobody bothered with the huge mass of mulch that needed editing, or…the polemic displayed here was so rife with problems that these slipped through due to deadline.

    I favour the former over the latter. I’ve seen it in game-development when I was freelancing for a wargaming publisher-someone with a good rep chunks in a piece, and it gets a very light once-over so a few minor mistakes slip through to publication that would otherwise have been caught by the editor.

    It’s no big deal.

  • A few articles ago, I finally realized that Contrarian really CAN’T comprehend the idea that someone might be opposing his holiness the One, the Gentleman from Chicago, hte Occupant of the White-House, without being a racist.

    Cannon, not only does this article have nothing to do with Republicans opposing Democrats, it doesn’t contain a single mention of Obama either.

    Sure, somebody did a diabolically bad job of editing this piece, but that’s no excuse for doing a diabolically bad job of reading comprehension.

  • John Wilson

    Good article. Having a black foster-daughter has reminded me of how racist our society remains.

    So few AA Republican congressmen is a startling fact.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Doc –

    I just lost a lengthy reply to C-shop thanks to Askimet…and returned to this page to find that you summed up almost everything I said in only two sentences. I’ve got a lot to learn….

  • Maybe we need another word. “Racism” [the word, not the phenomenon itself] carries a lot of historical baggage.

    The political reality is that after 1964 and the Civil Rights Act, southern whites moved en masse from the Democratic to the Republican party — and stayed there. Nixon utilized fear of crime [without needing to bring up race overtly] to solidify his election margins.

    And the Republican party today has a distinctly southern accent. In the 2008 election, Obama got 53% of the total vote, but 43% of the white vote and 41% of the white male vote — and 10% of the white vote in Alabama, and lower percentages of white voters than Kerry had in a number of states. [No Democratic presidential candidate after LBJ has gotten a majority of white votes; southern candidates Carter and Clinton came closest.]

    The undercurrent of much of the most emotional, vitriolic opposition to the health care bill is this: Don’t you dare take my money and help those people. And for some that attitude may well have a racial component.

    It’s not all about race, and no one’s claiming all whites or conservatives are racially motivated. But these facts do define a political reality worth discussing — preferably without blowing a gasket.

    Like Glen, I’m a child of the South. I think both he and I want to be fair, but we worry about the state of denial when this subject comes up.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    John –

    My youngest Foster child is African-American. He’s been with us for almost eleven years now. Our other Foster child is full-blood Thai. In the past we’ve had one full-blood Quinalt Indian, one Hispanic, and two whites.

    And your comment of how racist our society remains is why I included the second quote by Sistah Souljah about those who deny said racism.

  • “No Democratic presidential candidate after LBJ has gotten a majority of white votes; southern candidates Carter and Clinton came closest.”

    (LBJ was sourhtern.)

    Do you mean “southern white votes” or white votes, period.

    If the latter’s the case, Handy, that’s a hell of a statistic. Kind of tells where the majority of US whites is at.

    It should pierce anyone’s false conception of self or the clique to which they belong.

    Don’t count on it, though. They’ll all claim that the Democratic party choices since LBJ were better qualified for McCarthy’s witchhunt trials than the office of the presidency, that it’s got nothing to do racism or fairness or affirmative action, only with true blue patriotism, that the Democratic candidates were would-be-traitors to the country and its cherished ideals; and the Republicsn opponents, true saviors.

    And so on and so forth.

  • The “after LBJ” is significant because LBJ signed the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act. The southern whites who changed parties in the 1960s are mostly not around anymore, but their influence lingers.

    And Obama did get a majority of one group of white voters: those ages 18-29.

  • Let’s hope for a permanent change of the guard, and soon.

    Let the old farts retire (along with the lingering remnant).

    Baronius spoke of “post-American” presidency, and I realize you don’t care much for this characterization; but that’s how I see it, and I don’t think it’s a bad thing. (Probably another major reason for virulent Obama opposition: they all sense it.)

  • Glenn: I just lost a lengthy reply to C-shop thanks to Askimet

    Ah, Akismet – the one enemy both the liberals and the conservatives of BC can unite to hate. 🙂

  • Lumpy

    All clear now. Glenn is only bigoted against white people between Virginia and Louisiana. Oh and any black folks who vote Republican. Oh and anyone who owns a small business. Oh yeah and anyone who believes in individual liberty. And Christians, of course. Oh and people from Texas. Did I leave anyone out?

  • zingzing

    yeah, that individual liberty thing… so awful. glenn hates it, obviously. no one is going overboard. such a bigot.

    don’t be silly, lumpy. you undercut your own argument.

  • Lumpy does pose though an interesting question.

    Is it OK to be bigoted against bigoted people? And if you are, does that make you a bigot too?

  • Glen is not a bigot. That’s been a favorite obnoxious-conservative ploy for years: yer a bigot too…yer bigoted agin’ me!

  • Roger, you think of “post-American President” as a cool thing, a good thing, a preview of interesting changes ahead. Believe me, neither John Bolton nor Baronius intended it as a compliment to Mr. Obama. They don’t want a post-American president.

  • I’m aware, Handy, of Baronius’s or Bolton’s intentions and meaning. They both think it’s the end of the world.

    As for me, it’s neither a cool or a good thing – just the inevitable thing. At least we’re moving with the times rather than being obstructionists.

  • I’m not sure what “post-American president” even means really. Certainly I don’t see us going in that direction as any intentional result of Obama’s policies.

    The right has found out that the more provocative their rhetoric, whether partly true or all fantasy, the more political advantage they can muster. Or so they think. I would luv to prove them dead wrong.

  • zingzing

    isn’t it clear that obama hates this nation and grew up in kenya dreaming of the day he could replace our democracy with communism, then dictatorship, then he’ll kill the jews (being a muslim, he’ll want to get that out of the way first,) before he finally sets about to actually, physically destroying america? we will be nothing but a crater. how’s he going to do that? he’ll encourage iran to develop the bomb and then he’ll kill their grandmothers, and they’ll send down the megabomb in wichita. then! he’ll wander the post-nuclear landscape, confiscating any remaining freedom and liberty and putting it into his butt and farting it on white people, whom he hates, because he’s a racist. isn’t that all clear by now?

  • What it means to me, Handy, is simply that the entire world is a playing field when it comes to human rights and universal justice.

    And from this, global perspective, preoccupation with the state of affairs in America alone is a myopic one to say the least.

    So in a nutshell, my appraisal of the administration’s policies, international and domestic, is that finally we’re recognizing the interconnectedness we share with the rest of the world, and starting to act in accord with that understanding.

    But as I said, to such as Baronius it means the end of America as we know it.

    Well, it’s the end of America in that restricted sense, but it’s the beginning of a new America, America as part of the global community and hopefully, a force for the good.

  • But if in reaction to Obama, the country elects a more conservative president in 2012 or 2016, that person could take a step or three away from the pattern you describe, into renewed belligerence and/or isolationism, neither a pleasant option.

  • Reaction is unavoidable, part and parcel of the upward movement of history. We’re not out of the woods yet, but we’re getting there.

  • cannonshop

    #25 Why, oh why, can’t Aksimet lose MY replies?

    Some of them NEED to be lost.

  • cannonshop

    Per Infoplease:

    Number of states with an estimated black population on July 1, 2008, of at least 1 million. New York, with 3.5 million, led the way. The 17 other states on the list were Alabama, California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Mississippi, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia.

    Percentage of Mississippi’s population that is black, highest of any state. Blacks also make up more than a quarter of the population in Louisiana (32 percent), Georgia (31 percent), Maryland (30 percent), South Carolina (29 percent) and Alabama (27 percent). They comprise 56 percent of the population in the District of Columbia.

    The increase in Georgia’s black population between July 1, 2007, and July 1, 2008, which led all states. Texas (64,000), Florida (41,000) and North Carolina (45,000) also recorded large increases.

    Number of states or equivalents in which blacks were the largest minority group in 2008. These included Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia and Wisconsin.

    I see an awful lot of southern states there, Glenn. Georgia, Louisiana… and states with over a million persons of african descent (with the exception of New York, but then, NY leads in MOST of these kind of studies) most of them are these racist southern states you’re talking about.

    So, the question becomes…

    Are they not voting, or not running for office in the South? (if so, then all that effort in the sixties was for nothing, and your cousins have a lot to answer for.)

  • Glenn Contrarian

    C-shop –

    I’m assuming you didn’t grow up in the Deep South, because if you did, you wouldn’t even need to ask your question. You’d know better.

    I’ve posted the below information several times, but your rank ignorance of race relations in the Deep South make clear that it bears repeating.

    We had a family acquaintance named James O. Eastland. He lived about six or seven miles down the road from us – practically neighbors as the Delta goes. My grandmother used to sell moonshine for him back in the 40’s (no kidding).

    He was also known as Senator James O. Eastland, and he was twice president pro tem. He was one of the longest-serving senators ever in the U.S. Senate. He was also the most powerful racist in America for at least a generation.

    After the passage of the Civil Rights Act, he led the way in starting the Council of Conservative Citizens, which was a group dedicated to keep black-owned businesses from succeeding. It was Trent Lott’s connection with this group that got him fired from being Senate Majority Leader. Eastland also helped start a series of K-12 ‘academies’ which were too expensive for blacks to attend, thereby continuing segregation by economic means. I attended one of those for one year. The first time a black student attended there was (IIRC) back in the mid-80’s. Even now, out of 500 students the student body at Indianola Academy is still 99% white. Bear in mind that this is in a town that is probably 70% black (it’s the hometown of B.B. King).

    Back in 1980 (two years after he left the Senate) Eastland offered to get me into the Naval Academy. I turned it down. Think about that, C-shop – one of the five most powerful men in America (and perhaps the world) was our family acquaintance, and I turned him down (I somehow realized I wasn’t ready for something like that)…and I’m glad I did, now that I know what he really did.

    The point, C-shop, is that the real power belongs with the whites in the South, and while the blacks do very well on the local level where there are pockets of an overwhelming African-American majority, when it comes to statewide offices, even the 38% of Mississippi that is black cannot hope to overcome the 60+ percent that is white…and YES, both DO tend to vote along racial lines in the South. That statement is backed up by exit polling year after year after year.

    THAT, sir, is why you don’t see very many blacks holding statewide offices in the South. City offices, sure – but statewide? No. It’s not even close. That’s why we still get racists such as Haley Barbour as governor of Mississippi, because racism is alive and well there. Just yesterday the news broke about how a judge had to give a court order to desegregate two schools in south Mississippi…45 years after the Civil Rights Act.

    In other words, C-shop, when it comes to race relations down South, one of us knows what the hell he’s talking about – and it ain’t you.

    Tell you what – I won’t try to teach you about ordnance, and you don’t try to teach me about race relations in the Deep South, okay?

  • The moral of the story seems to be, Glenn, you’ve got to know the rich and powerful to know about racism in the South.

    The typical racist attitudes on the part of poor whites don’t count; they’re petty ante.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Roger –

    No, you’re completely wrong (which is not something I’ve said very often to you). You’ve got to spend a significant portion of your life in the Deep South to understand about racism there.

    Instead of simply dismissing what I said off-the-cuff, verify for yourself the proofs I provided. Look up “Indianola Academy” on the Wikipedia. Google the election results by race by county in Mississippi. Google James O. Eastland and the Council of Conservative Citizens and the system of essentially all-white K-12 “academies” in Mississippi.

    Roger, IIRC you’ve not spent a great deal of time in the Deep South, but if you do not at least research the claims I made before dismissing those claims, then you’re following the examples of the BC conservatives who let their beliefs determine the facts, rather than letting the facts determine their beliefs.

    And one more thing – I didn’t know what Eastland had done until a little over three years ago. Until then, I’d actually been pretty upbeat about our acquaintance with him (which as you know is not at all unusual for nobodies who happen to know someone rich and very powerful). So your statement that “you’ve got to know the rich and powerful” is essentially null and void. What you DO have to do is to pay attention and have the determination to do the research.

    That’s why I posted links proving that in the opinion of the Confederate states in their declarations of secession from the Union, the Civil War WAS all about slavery (more specifically, the states “rights” to preserve and perpetuate the institution of slavery)…and historian Dave Nalle cannot refute them despite what he wrote in his article “Happy Confederates Day” and tells us in the teaser line that “Today is a day to remember and celebrate freedom fighters who struck back against an oppressive regime almost 150 years ago.” Much of what he said about the individual heroism and combat skill of Confederate soldiers is quite true – but the same is true of any armed force defending its homeland; many individual soldiers among the Viet Cong fought heroically, too, against someone they saw as an invader.

    Does it seem like I’m rambling? Yes, it does…but you must understand how deeply the Civil War resonates even now among so many whites in the Deep South. It’s not for nothing that it’s called (usually in jest) the War of Northern Aggression. Look again at the teaser line of Dave’s article. Was he simply ‘jesting’?

    “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.” My Lord Jesus said that, and He was of course referring to matters of salvation. On more secular matters, insisting on the truth also set me free from racism, and from the rank distortions of history that would keep us all chained to the practice of putting political dogma above provable fact.

  • Doug Hunter

    “Is it OK to be bigoted against bigoted people? And if you are, does that make you a bigot too?”

    No and Yes. That’s called justification and it’s used to excuse all types of bad behavior. You accept that it’s OK for Glenn to be racist, hateful, and prejudiced against entire groups because in his judgement they are prejudiced only becuase you agree with him politically. KKK members agree with other KKK members as well and believe their actions are justified. I believe it’s appropriate to borrow from the religious folks here, we should hate the sin and love the sinner, not hate the sin hate the sinner and hate anyone who associates themselves with the sinner.

    A case in point here, Glenn has quoted Governor Barbour, who he claims to know is a racist, as having said “(slavery) doesn’t mean diddley”. Is that really what Barbour said? There is little doubt that the answer is no (indeed he was talking about the omission of the mention of slavery in a report, claiming opponents were trying to make something out of nothing, not the institute itself). That is a very important distinction and one which Glenn is far too wise to overlook unintentionally, but his hatred and disdain for Barbour whom he has already prejudged as a white southerner has justified the little omission in his head. Now, I see Glenn playing loose with the facts, does that justify me lying as well in my comments?

  • “You accept that it’s OK for Glenn to be racist, hateful, and prejudiced against entire groups because in his judgement they are prejudiced only becuase you agree with him politically.”

    That’s bullshit, Hunter, and you fucking know it. Neither do I agree with Glenn poliitically; and even if I did, that’s never a reason enough for me to agree with someone on other issues.

    Besides, mine was a rhetorical question – indicating no agreement or disagreement. So get off your high chair and stop the fucking preaching. Not to me at least.

  • Cannonshop

    Glenn, I’ll agree with you on one point-the Deep South is a shit-hole, where most of the poverty is self-inflicted by a disfunctional, bigoted, race-obsessed ‘culture’.

    I was stationed at Ft. Polk just long enough to really Hate the place, and surprisingly not for the climate, or the wildlife (which is quite keen on killing you), but for the residents. (one of my fonder fantasies involves a replay of the missouri earthquake taking out the flood controls, and washing the white-trash out to sea…)

    But it is fun, sometimes, to pull your chain a little bit.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    C-Shop –

    I’ll give you that and heartily agree. I do love the climate and the land there, but I will not expose my wife and kids to the racism there.

    Yeah, you spun me up pretty good. I should’ve seen that coming….

  • Clavos

    I’m not sure what “post-American president” even means really. Certainly I don’t see us going in that direction as any intentional result of Obama’s policies.

    Too bad. The world would be better if y’all did.

  • The teapartiers are surely on to it, and so are the ultra-progressives. But not the good ole liberals.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Clavos –

    Good to see you around – and I owe you something.

    A month or two ago you and I were debating health care reform, and I pointed out a statistic showing that the single biggest factor on a nation’s life expectancy is the infant mortality rate – to which you quite correctly replied that I’d just made your point against health care reform.

    I never did respond – so it’s time I did. You were right and I was wrong. I’m still a very strong supporter of the health care reform bill that was passed (because now my oldest son can get health insurance), but if I didn’t own up to you being right (and me wrong) about something, then I’d be a hypocrite.

    And thanks –

  • I’ll second. But I have no apology to make.

  • And since you’re on the subject, Glenn, you might find the following interesting.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Rog –

    I’m not surprised. Corporations – living entities that SCOTUS has deemed them to be – are forced by their corporate momentum to squeeze every bit of profit they can (as long as they can still pay hideous amounts to their CEO’s and VIP’s).

  • Neither am I, Glenn. Just goes to show what matters most even when the well-being of the citizens is concerned.

    But I suppose this little tidbit will be lost on all those who are dead set against universal healthcare. They’ll just continue with their song and dance.

  • Maybe, just maybe the fact that these unsavory business practices are getting immediate press coverage and push-back from the White House will influence the outcome. These are public companies; they care what Wall St thinks, but they also have to be aware of their reputations.

  • Clavos #46:

    I don’t get your point, sorry. You are longing for a post-American world? Or something else?

    And I join the others in welcoming you back. You can always liven up a discussion.

  • Baronius

    Thanks a lot, Handy and Roger. I never comment on threads unless I’ve read the article, so when I saw my name in the comments, I felt obligated to read another terrible article on race. (I admit that I skimmed over a bit of it.) Then I find that you guys mentioned me in passing, about something we’d previously talked about. Oh well, at least I was listening to some good music while I read it.

  • If you’re referring to Bolton’s comment, then I don’t see what’s the problem, Baronius. I still regard it as an astute observation, though my take on it and yours are different. In short, the topic didn’t die, and I don’t believe I slighted you in the slightest.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Baronius –

    Your comment is very interesting. You see, that’s what’s the real danger to the GOP in the long run – you choose to ignore issues of race. And, if one will reread the quote in my article by Nixon advisor Kevin Phillips, one will see that the implementation of the Southern Strategy was the moment that Republicans largely gave up on matters of race…and the beginning of the migration of most white racists from the Democratic party to the Republican party.

    The ‘Southern Strategy’ – the very beginning of the marginalization of the Republican party. Without a truly massive catastrophe (or unless the Republicans are able to pull themselves out of the “I’m more conservative than you” circular firing squad-cum-vicious circle), you will never again see the Republicans simultaneously control both the presidency and Congress.

  • Baronius

    I’ve read far too much Kevin Phillips over the years. He’s a prior generation’s Dick Morris, a turncoat who starts to believe the stories of his greatness that he himself leaked to the press. I think the success of the Southern strategy had more to do with the military pride of the South than its racism. It worked because Southerners hated hippies, and the Democratic Party was taken over by the anti-war movement in 1968.

  • What?! Humphrey was the Establishment Democratic candidate in ’68. [And he came within a percentage point of Nixon in the fall.] George Wallace ran that year too, remember?

    Southern Strategy = “law and order” = [for some] fear of African Americans. And it applied to the “silent majority” nationwide, not just in the South [working class Catholics in the Midwest and Northeast, for example].

  • Cannon, to answer your question from #38, I’ll share my experience as an election judge. Your black southerners are voting Republican and doing it in larger and larger numbers. Some of them do it very quietly and secretly, but they are doing it.


  • Larger and larger numbers….moving from 1% to 1.5%?

  • Just a limited sample, but in the recent primary here black voters in our precinct voted about 50% Republican.


  • And that would be a higher percentage than hispanics or anglos.


  • You will forgive our skepticism that this has wider significance.

  • zingzing

    how many black people live near your compound, dave?

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    Your black southerners are voting Republican and doing it in larger and larger numbers. Some of them do it very quietly and secretly, but they are doing it.

    And you base this on…what? Do you have ANY proof whatsoever?

    Remember your claim that “lots of black people attend the Tea Party rallies”? And when I checked thirty-odd different Tea Party sites with literally hundreds of photos of rallies, what did I find? IIRC, it was less than FIVE individual African-Americans, and maybe a dozen Hispanics.

    That’s why I demand PROOF from you, Dave. Just saying it doesn’t make it so.

  • Glenn, as I said what I was reporting was based on counting heads while working as an election judge. Our precinct is about 30% Black. I don’t have proof of how they voted. That would be illegal. But it wasn’t difficult to keep a running tally in my head of how many of them asked for a Republican ballot vs. a Democrat ballot, since it was the primary.

    And my claim was never “lots of black people attend the Tea Party rallies” but that those who do attend are prominent and that many of the organizers and speakers are black, facts which are indisputable.

    I suggest you watch this video from YouTube.

    And here is one of the leading figures in the Tea Party movement in Houston: Apostle Claver.

    And the main organizer of the Dallas Tea Party group, Katrina Pierson.

    I could go on and on with these examples, but proof and facts are of no interest to you, plus I’m limited to three links.


  • Glenn Contrarian

    Oh, GOOD!

    My family and I are on our way out, but rest assured I’m coming back to check your links…and to see if I can find the place where you DID say “lots of African-Americans” or words to that effect.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    I could go on and on with these examples, but proof and facts are of no interest to you, plus I’m limited to three links.

    Limited to three links? I put four today in this thread.

    And when it comes to proof and facts, you and Clavos are the only conservatives here who make any effort to provide proof…and getting you to post links to said proof is like pulling eyeteeth, as the old saying goes (for when we finally get you to do so, every once in a while you’ll post something rather snide, as if to say, “It’s all so obvious – how DARE you ask me for proof!”).

  • Glenn Contrarian

    Dave –

    Found it!

    In the comments to “Have the Democrats Jumped the Shark”, you said there are “plenty” of African-Americans at Tea Party rallies, that they are “strongly represented”.

    In the same batch of comments, after I pointed out that I went through the first three pages of results for Google searches of tea party rallies and found maybe TEN out of all the thousands in the pictures, you said the sites I checked were ‘cherrypicked’…and when I said that NO, I did not ‘cherry-pick’, that almost all the sites were right-wing sites, that I specifically stayed away from left-wing sites to avoid skewing my research, you said that you didn’t accuse me of ‘cherry-picking’, that it was the MSM that was doing it.


    When I start seeing photos of a crowd at a Tea Party rally that’s close to 10% black – or even FIVE percent black – then I’ll believe you. Until then, your words…are only words, and nothing more.

    P.S. About your claims about the blacks who speak and organize at the Tea Party rallies…I see this in the same light as I do Michael Steele, chairman of a party who hasn’t had an African American congressman since 2003. The word for it is…tokenism.

  • Glenn Contrarian

    ‘sokay – you don’t have to reply. This topic will come up again (they always do), and I know right where to find it, since I wrote the article. Patience, they say, is a virtue….