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The Healthy Skeptic: Vibra-Train Whole Body Vibration Platforms

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Whole body vibration training has become somewhat popular over the past several years, thanks in small part to some celebrity endorsements and testimonials. However, real scientific data in the form of bona fide vibration training research is basically non-existent.

Let’s see how Vibra-Train, self-appointed "Vibration Training Specialists,” deals with what for them must be the uncomfortable reality that there isn’t reliable data to support the use of their product.

On Vibra-Train’s home page there is a hyper-link to a “Research” page. When you click on this link, you are taken to page on the Vibra-Train site that tells us, “There are over 200 academic papers released to date (7/29/07) all pointing to its (vibration training) positive benefits to some degree or another.”

Incredibly, rather than provide us with some stellar research that shows us what these positive benefits are, and to what degree – or another – it works, Vibra-Train just tells us, “Type into Google…Vibration Training Research…for results.”

This kind of laziness is inexcusable. You would think that a company that’s selling a product that costs thousands of dollars, and that tells us there are hundreds of sources of info, could at least pick some of the best studies for us to read and put them on site, rather than have us do their job for them. Perhaps Vibra-Train just wants us to take their word, and not actually find out what this research consists of.

So let’s see what happens when we do Vibra-Train’s job for them, and do a Google search on vibration training research (without quotation marks). These results are as of September 3, 2007.

The first spot on Google is occupied by a website called the Sports Injury Bulletin, and the piece is just a summary of the state of WBV research. This item doesn’t provide us with any research and leaves us with the following conclusion: “The bottom line? There isn’t one. Vibration training could yet be the next big thing; but so far, the men in white coats cannot give us a green light, and anyone using this technique will be doing so with their fingers firmly crossed behind their backs" (my emphasis).

The folks at Vibra-Train can’t be happy about this one. If you’re a business owner or consumer thinking about changing your business and spending thousands of thousands of dollars on WBV platforms, would you want to do so with “fingers crossed firmly behind your back?”

In the second spot on Google is a company that sells WBV platforms that recycles the same old, old information that allegedly the Russian space program found that WBV training aided those who have been in a weightless environment. The first six items of the research that this company provides us with were done by the person for whom the company is named, and who has a vested interest in producing research that supports the claims that WBV offers some benefits so that they can sell their machines.

This in itself isn’t always a bad thing. However, in this case the guy who did the research and who the company is named after doesn’t even let us look at the results of his research, he just gives us the titles of the studies. Many of the titles of the other studies on this page involve elderly individuals or people who are suffering from injury or disease. And we don’t get to see the details of these studies either.

This reminds me of the kind of research that the tobacco companies did that told people that cigarette smoking isn’t bad for you.

Another platform retailer occupies the third spot on Google and they at least have the common courtesy to provide us with links to actual studies for us to read. As usual, these studies aren’t ringing endorsements of WBV training, as even the studies that aren’t flawed come to wishy-washy conclusions. It’s interesting that these studies never mention or consider the exorbitant cost of vibration platforms in comparison to traditional, proven, and free methods of exercise such as walking and stretching.

This retailer also relies on the biased research that was performed and promoted by the retail WBV site that is mentioned above as being in the second spot on Google.

The forth and fifth spots on Google are occupied by items that I have written for this site. I think it is very funny that given the amount of time and effort that the people at Vibra-Train have spent on their efforts to harass me, they are sending people to my articles that de-bunk the whole myth that they are trying to perpetrate.

The sixth spot on Google is held by a summary of a study in progress that is being done at the University of Melbourne to find out if vibration training can aid those who have traumatic spinal cord injuries, and is not an actual study. The summary concludes with, “This study will make an important contribution to the paucity of data currently available on the effects and underlying mechanisms of vibration training in humans” (my emphasis). So the University of Melbourne confirms what I have been saying all along — that there is no evidence to say that WBV is a valid method of training.

The seventh spot on Google is held by an item from the Mayo Clinic. Their physical medicine and rehab specialist Edward Laskowski, M.D. says, “Passive exercise via whole body vibration isn't an effective means of increasing your endurance, flexibility, strength or stability. It's possible that vibration platforms may help you burn a few extra calories — but they are far less efficient than an activity you initiate and maintain yourself. For this reason, whole body vibration is unlikely to result in any measurable weight loss or fitness gains. Also, whole body vibration platforms can be expensive, ranging in price from about $400 to $6,000. Physical activity, such as walking, doesn't require any specific equipment — other than good shoes.”

So you don’t have to listen to me, but how about giving credence to Dr. Laskowski from the Mayo Clinic? Perhaps the Vibra-Train people can start to harass Dr. Laskowski since his comments rank right up there with mine in calling WBV training a waste of time.

The eighth spot on Google is held by a blog site that discusses WBV from a variety of angles and doesn’t provide us with any research that speaks to the efficacy of WBV, and the ninth spot is an article that discusses WBV and doesn’t provide research that indicates WBV works.

Another WBV retailer occupies the tenth spot on Google. Unlike Vibra-Train, at least this company had the courtesy of linking to some actual research studies rather than have us search around the Internet on our own. On this company’s website the same flawed studies are used.  These companies think – or rather try to get the public to think – that because sedentary women with osteoporosis make improvements over a six-week period that WBV is a valid mode of training for the non-infirm.

Studies of any sort with regard to exercise-related subjects that use the infirm, diseased and/or aged and that last less than 10-12 weeks don’t have any real merit and certainly do not pertain to the rest of the population. With regard to WBV training there’s also never any mention of the exorbitant price of these machines in this research, and how traditional modes of exercise like walking and stretching are free, and work just as well as WBV even for specialized segments of the population.  Which is what the doctor from the Mayo Clinic says.

All in all, this is a pretty lousy showing. What are the people at Vibra-Train thinking? 

Laziness, and a lack of attention to detail is evident throughout the Vibra-Train website. From the factually-challenged, sexist and poorly written item dealing with cellulite loss and vibration training – all this money for a machine and they can’t afford a proof reader? – to the constant misrepresentation of the state of research dealing with WBV, this site is a mess.

With the kind of overt sloppiness that is evidenced on almost every page of the Vibra-Train website, why would anyone buy what these folks are selling?

Vibra-Train can’t provide us with research precisely because such research doesn’t exist; they just want people to take them at their word. The University of Melbourne and the Mayo Clinic provide all of the info that anyone should need when they tell us that there’s no data to support the use of WBV training.

You don’t have to listen to me but take the word of researchers from Melbourne and a doctor from the Mayo Clinic. And you can thank Vibra-Train for providing us with all of the reasons NOT to bother with WBV platforms. The Vibra-Train folks can rant and rave until they turn blue in their vibrating faces, but they have only themselves to blame.

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  • mike Hair

    It’s amazing how people leave out half the story. If you are able to read Sal the site goes on to state…
    “The reason we have removed the existing research is this; our units are built to a standard we believe has not been seen in the industry to date, instead most research has been done on machines we have not been given the full engineering tests for so we believe it unethical to repeat the test results until such time as these standards have been meet.”

    Telling half a story and leaving it up to people to draw a conclusion from what you tell them, in my mind is no different than telling lies.

  • http://www.vibra-train.com Lloyd Shaw

    You are showing your frustration Sal…

    What my website says is the research is NOT good enough quality for us so we CHOOSE not to refer to it or celebrity endorsements.

    You also have no respect left after your admission of not testing units before writing critical material and even getting basic science theories wrong like “Vibration is the same as electric shocks ” in one of your articles.

    I would say these things point to Sloppy Uneducated behaviour from yourself.

    Maybe you should spend a little time cleaning up your own act ?

  • http://www.vibra-train.com Lloyd Shaw

    I must also apologise to Sal for forcing him to put effort into something like searching Google.

    I completely underestimated the stress this would cause Sal and instead considered it would give the consumer a choice as to what they read , good and bad , rather than forcing them to take in what censored versions I gave them , whilst reminding them this is a young industry yet to be proven.

    Never mind , I will try harder next time.

  • Wayne Campbell

    Sal, THANKYOU.

    The more you articles you write the more opportunities you give peaople to discuss and discover WBV. Keep up the good work!!

    I hope you keep reading the feedback, you may learn a thing or two.

    I hope you have many more articles planned.

  • sal m

    here’s a great excerpt from lloyd shaw’s treatise on cellulite and vibration training.

    “Cosmetic Advantages
    Can cellulite be sent packing? The main problem with most cellulite treatments is that they focus on only one of the reasons for having it. Deep tissue massage only helps shift the fat cells not empty them, exercise will empty them but not shift them. Increasing your lymphatic drainage helps with fluid retention but not burning fat. With a combination of these things IT CAN GO!

    Here at VIBRA-TRAIN we offer a full package to finally get rid of your cellulite. Ok so cellulite isn’t a health risk unlike factors previously mentioned, but it never hurt anyone to have a nice toosh RIGHT?

    Other Health Benefits
    Pain reduction in joints
    Better sleep
    Increased circulation
    Lower cholesterol”

    unfounded statements like this are everywhere on the Vibra-Train site. and yet according to one of Vibra-Train’s minions it’s okay to say this because on their research page they say, “most research has been done on machines we have not been given the full engineering tests for so we believe it unethical to repeat the test results until such time as these standards have been meet.”

    then Vibra-Train goes and says that WBV works when there is no data to back up their claims! great stuff guys…keep us laughing!

  • http://www.vibra-train.com Lloyd Shaw

    A few things for you to digest Sal…

    (1) We do not charge customers for the first session.

    (2) We do not sell machines.

    (3) We do not do any membership plan.

    (4) Almost all our studios have been sold to customers.

    We have been going for 3 years now and are at 25 studios.

    All our repeat customers and referals are a result of people getting actual results ( the kind you are rude enough to dismiss.)

    This results based business fundamental outstrips 1000 dodgy studies done on dodgy machines by 1000 academics.

    I know you find this hard to understand as you only teach others work. You will just have to take my word for it as to how difficult it is to create something from scratch and make it work being surrounded by an unethical industry.

    I will say it here and now and you can quote me on it.

    ” someday you will be teaching others what we are doing here ”

    My advice is simple. Open your mind and get with the program.

  • sal m

    Lloyd Shaw the Mortician says:
    “The theory behind how Vibration Training actually works on the human body is still up for debate, but one thing is certain, IT WORKS!”
    AND
    “Vibration Training has been researched for over 20 years now with all the reports released pointing to the same conclusion, its safe and effective.”
    AND
    “…most research has been done on machines we have not been given the full engineering tests for so we believe it unethical to repeat the test results until such time as these standards have been meet.” But has no ethical dilemma in using this research to tell people that WBV works.

    Researchers at the University of Melbourne say:
    “(There is a)paucity of data currently available on the effects and underlying mechanisms of vibration training in humans.”

    Doctor Laskowski of the Mayo Clinic says:
    “Passive exercise via whole body vibration isn’t an effective means of increasing your endurance, flexibility, strength or stability.”

    And of course there is the research that has recently been conducted and that is available on this site that found WBV to have NO effect on functional strength and performance.

    The Vibra-Train folks need to get with the program.

  • Hairynipples

    I heard that Vibra-Train improved Wade Wilson’s coaching ability as well…Dallas should forfeit the game to the ‘Jints. This is unfair!

  • sal m

    nips..long time no see…i’m just waiting for lloyd shaw to make the claim that WBV can cure your “condition.” since he claims WBV can reduce cellulite, perhaps it can also cure your “over-hirsute-ness.”

  • Hairynipples

    Hirsute – a Beaut! I was just talking with our female assistant about my ear hair this morning. Is it any wonder I don’t get any at work???

    When does Lloyd’s infomercial come out? Can’t wait.

  • http://www.vibra-train.com Lloyd Shaw

    Sal ….

    I am very proud of being a Mortician .

    I first considered your ingnorance amusing. Now I see it as dangerous and I believe you should not be a teacher or hold any position in a sporting body.

  • http://www.vibra-train.com Lloyd Shaw

    Everybody needs to understand Sals motivation , and it in no way concerns people bettering their lives. Even when he was forced to admit it may help the infirm , he did not recommend it and instead suggested they get off their lazy asses and do some “proper” exercise.

    What kind of person does that ?

    Simply disgusting Sal.

    I also do not believe Sal is stupid enough to think all platforms perform the same function , as he has tried to imply by putting all research results under the term WBV. It would be of a more logical conclusion that he is doing his best to mislead the public to back up his previous statements.

  • sal m

    my agenda is crystal clear…avoid snake oil – especially in the form of multi-thousand dollar machines for which there is no proof of efficacy, and avoid snake oil salesmen/charlatans who want people to beleive that the ONLY way to improve their fitness level is to spend money on an expensive gadget.

    i’ll stand with those who believe that exercise via movement – like the doctor from the Mayo Clinic and the vast majority of fitness and physical therapy professionals.

    we have decades worth of data that shows that the aged and the infirm can improve their quality of live by real, honest exercise and no reliable data to indicate that WBV could or should replace exercise. walking, stretching, activity. these people don’t need to be sold a bill of goods that involves them spending more money on something that is free.

    in the case of Vibra-Train we have a company that cannot even produce a proper web site, let alone be trusted to tell people how and on what they should exercise.

    i encourage people to go to the Vibra-Train site, especially women, and read Shaw’s piece on WBV and celluite reduction. if you go to the Federal Trade Commission’s web site you will see that there are hundreds of judgments against people and companies who have sold cellulite remedies to the public Federal Trade Commission . you’ll find that the claims of these people are identical to the claims made on the Vibra-Train site.

  • http://www.vibra-train.com Lloyd Shaw

    Sal…

    You dont know the difference between Vibration and Electric current.

    You can not be taken seriously.

  • http://www.vibra-train.com Lloyd Shaw

    Sal…

    You dont know the difference between Vibration and Electric current.

    You can not be taken seriously.

  • http://www.vibra-train.com Lloyd Shaw

    I have had a better idea than just pointing out Sals lack of eductation.

    I will display his e-mail address in my studios and anyone who wishs to send a progress report on what is happening at Vibra-train and how it effects them can.

    If he indeed stands by his claim that what I am doing cant work he will have no problem calling them liars or stupid or something along those lines.

    This should be very ,very interesting as the consumer whom Sal is trying to protect and Sal both get to communicate directly.

    I will report on what is passed back to me. And I will also report if Sal slinks away.

  • Hairynipples

    I’ve known Sal a long time. He is no slinker. He may be a drinker, but not a slinker. Can I post this numerous times to fill space? He once was friends with Lazlo Linky however.

  • sal m

    here’s a little bit of data that lloyd the mortician has left out; he’s already provided my email address to his minions. the paucity of supporters for WBV all hail from a few specific areas in New Zealand. the embarassingly transparent and poorly worded emails that i’ve received from lloyd and his crew all sound the same and parrot the same lines.

    here’s another selection from the mortician who fancies himself an expert on exercise and fitness. women should pay particular attention.

    “I sat down & decided I was going to do my best to put my knowledge of the human body to the test & try to get to the bottom (no pun intended) of the one thing I have no risk of getting myself, but I figured if I cracked this problem I might get my picture next to a nice ass in the dictionary. I could not imagine a better thing to be remembered for in history. To get down to the nitty gritty of what I theorised. Cellulite starts a lot younger than any of you could probably imagine, somewhere between 10 & 14 years of age, that’s right girls. Just at the age when you started to notice boys, nature starts doing its best to scare them off. I don’t care what people say, God is funny or cruel, you take your choice. This is the series of unfortunate events in their chronological order.

    Very early teens your body prepares itself for pregnancy
    Massive hormonal changes including a rise in oestrogen & dip in testosterone
    Lymphatic system slows down
    Dietary changes combined with less exercise (chasing boys or extended shoe shopping trips doesn’t count)
    High heals on shoes”

    i’m sure women are very pleased to be portrayed as creatures who just chase boys and go on shoe shopping trips. by the way, on shoes, it’s “heels.”

  • Mike Hair

    Hi Sal,

    I just don’t get your point on the last posting?

    Is it that you are not allowed a sense of humour if you are involved in the health and fitness industry?

    I have read a bit of your stuff, and I am not denying you now a little bit about excercise, But I can’t seem to recall reading where you have come up with something original as opposed to something you have been taught.

    I am in direct competition with Lloyd but respect the guy for what he has achieved, I think this tit for tat is stupid, especailly when all you can do is point out spelling mistakes, it just makes you out to be a fool.

    I hope one day when Lloyd takes his machines to USA you will swollow your pride enough to go on them so you now what a real WBV machine feels like.

    Kind Regards

    Mike

  • Mike Hair

    Sal…

    One more thing. I don’t think it very professional of you to call people minions in an intended insulting kind of way, especially as these same people are the ones that pay to go to personal trainers such as yourself.
    Infact the word is a complement towards Lloyd and a put down toward the people you were targeting as it means a follower or underling of a powerful person, esp. a servile or unimportant one.

    How can you insult people that have factual results?

  • Hairynipples

    “I am not denying you now a little bit about excercise” = 2 mistakes
    ..”you will swollow your pride “ = 1 mistake
    “Infact the word is a complement ..” = 1 mistake
    “I think this tit for tat is stupid, especailly when all ….” = 1 mistake

    If you guys are so sensitive about Sal pointing out the spelling mistakes, don’t you think it would be wise to not feed him anymore fodder to play with?

  • Mike Hair

    Hey hairy tits..

    I may not have been the best at spelling when i was at school, but do you really think that makes a difference to proven results that people are getting with WBV?

    You guys really are pathatik..pathetic.. Stupid!

  • http://www.vibra-train.com Lloyd Shaw

    Sal..

    You may want to note that the Womans Weekly , the largest womans mag in N.Z. and Australia are doing a series of articles with me because of that piece of cellulite.

    It must be sad to take yourself so seriously .

    Dealing with what I do every day in the mortuary forces me to appreciate that. Maybe you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and ask yourself why I am on a mission to change the world where you are finding it hard to change your mind.

  • sal m

    it’s actually totally appropriate that a magazine that is concerned with with whether or not david beckham will cheat on posh spice should care what you have to say on the matter of cellulite and WBV.

    Will David Beckham cheat on Posh?
    Yes, she’s too high maintenance
    No, he’s learnt from the previous time
    Maybe, it depends on how far Posh will go for fame

    actually the idle gossip and rumors that magazines like this are based on are the perfect setting for you and your WBV blather, as the “proof” that you claim to have to support the use of WBV is about the same level of rumor and gossip.

    you have to start off with this This magazine is the perfect place for you to perpetuate your scam. among the articles about how a house plant can help to absorb radiation, whether or not geri hallowell is too thin, that kim cattrall prefers younger men and discussing if katie holmes is pregnant again, your rantings will fit right in.

    you and your product are a great example of the peter principle in action.

  • http://www.vibra-train.com Lloyd Shaw

    And besides I speak good England.

  • http://www.vibra-train.com Lloyd Shaw

    What I am pointing out is your lack of sense of humour and what that represents.

    Get some help.

  • http://www.vibra-train.com Lloyd Shaw

    To explain my last statement…

    To have a sense of humour takes spontaneous thought. This is a creative process you have shown you do not appreciate or possess.

    That is why you are relegated to teaching and using others inventions or ideas.

    Something you could change if you wanted to.

  • http://www.vibra-train.com Lloyd Shaw

    Here is a few questions for everyone to ask themselves.

    I will not ask Sal as he has been unable in the past to answer questions even about his own work ( a bit embarrassed I guess as he keeps changing the subject ).

    Sal recently tried a unit costing about $400 but probably built for $40 and I will bet even he is not willing to argue that point. Some of the machines used in trials have not been much better than that. Sal has also already spent considerable time pointing out the holes in the methods of research.

    So if my maths is right.

    Bad machines + Bad research = Bad results

    And yes I figured that all by myself.

    Does anyone here really believe that the units that cost me $12,500 (N.Z.) to build do the same thing.

    Why wouldn’t I just buy cheap machines and flog them off to the public. Wouldnt thats what any self respecting scam artist do ?

    I have spent the last 4 years off my life writing equations , designing machines , doing the theory and writing more material , all while fighting off people like Sal.

    Why bother ?

  • Hairynipples

    Dear Mike Hairball,

    Spelling in a presentation or defense of a product is akin to the loose thread on a new garment – keep tugging at the loose threads and you will find whether the product holds together or will fall apart. Building credibility is a journey of careful steps and takes time. Losing credibility can be a faulty step that eventually leads to the perception that the product is not up to par or can meet its sponsor’s claims.

    To put it in more simplified terms, if you want your message to be judged as intelligent, it usually helps to make sure the speaker appears intelligent as well – thus where spelling accuracy comes into play.

    Sincerely,

    Unshorn Areolas

  • Mike Hair

    I guess that means grammar mistakes as well?
    A statement from Sal….
    it’s actually totally appropriate that a magazine that is concerned with with whether or not david beckham will cheat on posh spice should care what you have to say on the matter of cellulite and WBV. Maybe he could do with a proof reader!

    As for your corrections..
    I am not denying you now a little bit about excercise” = 2 mistakes.
    I’m sorry only 1 mistake here.

    I am not going for any Nobel prize for spelling in the near future, I do not build or sell any product therefore I fail to see the significance of your last statement.

  • Wayne Campbell

    Sal, you are getting really bitter and twisted because you are being exposed trying to criticise something you know nothing about apart from your biased and uninformed opinion based on what you read. You have done no real resarch apart from trying a cheap machine that you would have known , being the expert you claim to be, would be no different to standing on a lawn mower.

    Really Sal lifes to short to be bitter and twisted, go and try a real WBV machine it has a calming effect on many people – as well as many other health benifits.

  • Mike Hair

    Apparently being juiced up on riods gives you a bitter and twisted affect?

  • Wayne Campbell

    Anb Sal if you do take my advice to try a real WBV machine – Lloyd Shaw would be only to happy to advise you on the best options available to you – even though it wont be one of his machines as they are not in your part of the world yet – He will still give you or anybody else recomendations on other brands – hes good like that

  • http://www.vibrationtraining.net Di Heap

    Sal,

    Firstly, thank you! This article and the following comments have improved my mood today immensely. It’s possible I could give up WBV training and just read the articles about it to increase serotonin production and feel good… but alas, my fitness wont be improved by sitting on my fanny reading your anti-whole body vibration blogs. To have a strong healthy body I have to work-out.

    Work-out – Now that’s a word that was foreign to my vocabulary just six years ago. Having come last in every running race I was forced into in my school years, never able to catch a ball because of poor eyesight, and only ever able to hit a ball if I was wielding a big stick (hockey), I did not continue with any fitness regime in my adult life, except for walking which I enjoy, fishing which used to be my time-out and the regular activities of having a family. With modern living and a sedentary job this simply wasn’t enough and I gradually put on a lot of weight which added problems to a pre-existing minor heart condition and saw me hospitalised twice with heart problems. Add in some other health problems and I simply wasn’t going to make it to regular old-age.

    I wish I had been told about WBV back then and how it could have helped me. Instead I did as you suggest and I worked very hard to get some fitness and lose weight. I was stubborn enough to keep at it and my partner who enjoys endurance running gave up running for a time to walk long distances with me. You’re right, Sal, putting in the hard work (walking and weights) worked and I gained some fitness and very slowly lost weight. I’ve even competed in Race-Walking events and Fun Runs. So, I have no complaints with your suggestions that people help themselves, BUT, many people don’t!

    It’s those MANY people who just don’t and those who cannot, for various health reasons, take long distance walks and lift increasingly heavy weights that WBV training works so well for. And also for all those who do workout, WBV adds another choice and is definitely more fun and more challenging than an hour of weights. Add in athletes who benefit so much that many excel in their sport. And again, I am sounded like an advertisement!

    I’m reminded of Victor Kiam, the American businessman, who said “I liked the Shaver so much, I bought the Company “(Remmington). I’d do just the same if I had the money. I can’t say enough about the benefits of good quality WBV in general and Vibra-Train in particular. I’m happy to be labeled a Lloyd Shaw minion as you’ve said. With some qualifications in Pharmacy and other fields and being one who likes to keep learning, I don’t tolerate snake-oil salesmen or fools who try to sell me the latest fad. I was not an instant convert to WBV and I persisted with questions about safety and efficacy for months. I spent hundreds of hours researching and checking over what I was told by Lloyd Shaw and others. I visited several different brand studios but did my 2-3x weekly workout at Vibra-Train . My strength and fitness has improved so much this year. I have no way to quantify it. Recent blood tests returned all normal results including normal blood sugar and insulin which has been a problem area for 20 years previously. I have not added extra cardio but have reduced this, this year. After being stayed at a certain weight for a year, I am slowly losing weight again and WBV helps with this also. I’ve stated many times that the greatest benefit I have obtained has been vastly improved core stability with cessation of pain in my left side and nerve pain that traveled down my leg.

    You’ve called my results an anecdotal success story that is just rumor and gossip. I call it success in improving health and fitness. In fact I’m so happy with my results that I put my name to them so they are easily verified. Lloyd Shaw has no control over what I say or don’t say on Internet blogs. He corrects any errors I make.

    I hope that people will take note of my experience and results and Give It a Go for themselves.

  • http://www.vibrationtraining.net Di Heap

    Sal

    You seem to have missed a link on the first page of the current Google Search. It’s an article on Vibration Training by Nick Grantham, Lead strength and conditioning coach, West Midlands region of The English Institute of Sports. He gives a summary of the research to date including it’s use in many sports disciplines. He tells of studies that fail to show any improvements after use of WBV platforms and of studies that show some benefits. He states “Expect more weight training research before too long.” He notes that Vibration Training could be used to optimise recovery from an ACL injury. (You will, as always, negate this because of the word “could”). He notes animal studies that show improvement in bone mass and mechanical competence and the failure of a later study on healthy young adults to replicate this and notes that research in this area continues.

    Also that research has shown that WBV may have a positive impact on proprioceptive control of posture in stroke patients. (Ah, that word “may” that is one of the words used in research results and so you will negate this result). Also that WBV may be an effective tool in treating patients with motor dysfunction of spinal origin and has been used to improve the symptoms of Parkinson’s
    disease.

    The final statements say it all:
    “Note, however, that the research is in its infancy and the scientists are still trying to find out what are the most effective combinations to enhance athletic performance. Some researchers even suggest that the ideal vibration training method is dependent on the individual athlete. As ever, there is no one-size-fits-all or magic quick fix in training and rehab.

    Should we all rush out and buy vibration platforms for our clinics? Despite the mounting body of evidence in support of this modality, the jury is still out. Marco Cardinale and Carmelo Bosco sum it up in their review paper, in which they recommend that studies should continue to explore the effects of long-term vibration training on different physiological parameters and should define appropriate training protocols.”

    I believe that research must continue as it can only be based on the specific machine, parameters, and program used for the specific study being done. Generalised results can be useful but must be read as such (general not specific). Personal success stories are one of the reasons the Vibra-Train brand continues to grow. In what other WBV company can a customer relentlessly quizz the actual designer of the machines and program, either by meeting him in person or by calling by phone. You have criticised Lloyd Shaw because of spelling errors on his website and his humorous approach to issues like cellulite. Many people in New Zealand, Australia and worldwide trust him completely and appreciate his humor. His gains from having a quality product and long hours of work involved are not monetary from what I’ve observed in knowing him this year. He’d be better off financially selling bottled snake-oil or some poorly designed, poorly made, mass produced “made in China with guaranteed quality fade” platform. I can see that his integrity would never let him do this.

  • http://www.vibra-train.com Lloyd Shaw

    I dont think Sal even remotely understands how much money I could have made ,and how much damage I could have done , if I was on the darker side of this industry.

    The real dodgy ones wont even enter into a conversation with you Sal , just try it. They would instead keep well clear of your site and go for much softer targets knowing that any traffic attracted to the controversy our blogs create could lose them sales.

    I dont exactly follow the “path of least resistance” mentality that comes with a scamer as you suggest.

    I do not also promote the idea that…

    No effort = Massive outcome

    I do not believe you can cheat your way to health which is where you get it all wrong. What I do is shorter than you would expect but also harder than you would expect .

    What annoys me is you have ( for your own personal reasons ) lumped me in with those whom I stand against in a deliberate attempt to stop me from helping people.

    One day you will fell bad about this.

  • http://www.vibrationtraining.net Di Heap

    Sal
    A Scenario: You set an exercise program for a client and they follow it for a set period of time, say 6 months, along with regular meetings with you for follow-up, increasing intensity or refinement of the program and personal training. After 6 months they show visible body shape changes and medical analysis (body composition analyser equipment or similar) shows improved muscle mass %, lowered fat %, lowered weight, increased bone density, what is your reaction to these results? Do you call them chance?, an anecdotal success story, maybe even totally unrelated to the program you set because the person might have followed another plan along with yours?

    No, I think you would call the results Successful and encourage the client to continue with and expand on the program, to set new goals,to enter events if they want competition. You’d feel good about your ability to design the program and your part in motivating the client toward their success.

    If you knew that the client had previously been under the instruction of another Trainer/Company who hadn’t planned a suitable program for them, but instead gave them printed sheet of instructions and some cheap non-certified calibration dumbells and sent them home to get with the program and report back after the six months, if at all, I expect you would be very scathing in your opinion and speech toward that other Trainer/Company. If you cared about your clients, potential clients, and industry, you’d want to Clean it Up and get rid of the poorly performing operators who take the $’s but don’t give a quality product/service.

    Vibra-Train provides a top quality product in a studio setting where clients get personal Instruction at every training session. Because of the nature of the type of training everyone (who can walk and sit down on a chair, which is most people) does the same program with only some minor variation for those who are not able to manage the full program or wheelchair bound. Intensity can be varied and so can the Machine, which are varied in force. Guidance, posture correction because correct position on the machines is essential, with encouragement or growling (to those like me who still manage to have less than perfect posture control on the machines) is provided at every session. Compare this to the make-a-quick-buck importers and sellers of cheap, low quality home machines, some supplied without any program, just as I have compared your personal training skills to those of an inept operator and you will know who to target in your articles against WBV training.

    Some of the well known Operators are almost as bad, as you have noted. Solarflex as you point out does not live up to it’s advertising claims. Power-Plate changed the manufacturing material and country of manufacture of their platform and continued to release it branded as before, when it’s specs were vastly different.

    Labeling a whole Industry as a fad and snake oil salesmen when there are honest operators who are making a difference to people’s health and fitness is like me saying that all weight training is a fad because someone sold me a cheap “StuffMart” package weights and program.

    The Doctor from Mayo Clinic is another who will be shown to be in error in the future. I was aware of his stance as his was one opinion I found when I first looked into WBV. I bet, like you, he has never experienced a workout session on a quality WBV platform. It concerns me that so many more people could be helped if people, who are in positions of influence like you, actually stopped writing against a method you have yet to experience in a quality setting using a quality program for a period of time and got out there and tried it. Borrowing a Soloflex and on that basing your whole experience on that minor platform makes you worse than those who criticise out of ignorance. You know better!

  • Hairynipples

    Mike Hair

    “As for your corrections..
    I am not denying you now a little bit about excercise” = 2 mistakes.
    I’m sorry only 1 mistake here.”

    OK, let’s point it out to make it a little more obvious:

    “now” is spelled correctly for the definition of “at the present time or moment”. However I believe from the context of your message, you meant to spell “know” which is defined as “to perceive or understand as fact or truth; to apprehend clearly and with certainty”. This would be mistake #1.

    Mistake #2 is clearly “excercise” which should be spelled as “exercise”.

    This takes us back to creditability again and again – and take note, I am not an English teacher, but I do rely heavily on RESEARCH, in this case referencing MS Word Spell-Check and the DICTIONARY.COM web site.

    Next debate? Can’t we move on to terrible football programs and other crap like that?

  • mike Hair

    furry boobs…

    You are correct, looks like i cant read as well as spell properly.

    Maybe i’ll just stick to what i’m good at… Helping people get results by WBV.

  • http://www.vibra-train.com Lloyd Shaw

    Ok , one question Sal…

    Do you think Vibra-Train is hard work ?

  • http://www.vibrationtraining.net Di Heap

    It seems that Sal has run away after criticizing Vibra-Train. Maybe he’s actually tried a quality machine, maybe Vibra-Train and he’s so amazed at how much HARD WORK it is that he’s embarrassed to come back and comment.

  • http://www.vibra-train.com/ Lloyd Shaw

    ” This kind of laziness is inexcusable”

    Bit rich coming from a guy too lazy to actually try the product he is talking about.

  • http://www.vti.hk TC

    Hi Sal,

    I have been busy and did not have the time to read blogs and forums for a while.

    Just read this latest one of yours and I went to read the comment on Viration Training from Dr. Laskowski and his staff of Mayo Clinic.

    I have a problem with these professionals’ opinion. Are their comments based on their research/study through trial? What mechanism or which vibration training machine did they try or use for study?

    If Dr. Laskowski and his staff made those comments without actual experience on vibration training. Their comments are inappropriate. I am not challenging their medical knowledge but they just don’t know Vibraion Training. If anyone makes conclusion on something which is out of one’s knowledge, it is inappropriate.

    As I quoted U.S. exercise physiologist, Dr. Larry Leigh’s comment in the other of your blog, “YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND UNTIL YOU FEEL IT”.

    Something you do not know yet does not mean it does not work! And obviously, no one knows everything in the universe!

    Timothy CHAN

  • Adam Scislowicz

    I haven’t drawn any conclusions regarding vibration therapy. It certainly seems unlikely to be suitable as a replacement for resistance training as there is no sarcomeric tearing to set off hypertrophy. However there do appear to be several studies supporting an increase in bone density after regular use of ~50Hz vibration.

    Also next time search google scholar, searching google std for scientific studies is just asking to find half-baked pseudo-studies. Not to be too forward, but perhaps you wanted to find the half-backed pseudo-studies?

  • http://www.vibra-train.com/ Lloyd Shaw Vibra-Train

    Most studies are pathetic and miss the relavent points. Like one recent test that showed rats lost abdominal fat using Vibtation Training but with no indication in the study of rat to human scale of the vibrations used.

  • http://www.vibra-train.com/ Lloyd Shaw

    Scientific America report , Jan 2008……

    The reports starts out by saying ” Exercise takes energy , and presumably that combats obesity.”

    Good start….

    Scientists at Stony Brook University found that Vibrating mice for 15mins every other day reduced Body-Fat% by 27%. The body fat mainly decreased in their torso. They also had significant reductions in fatty compounds linked to type2 diabetes.

    Now this is great for our industry that these guys have decided to do animal trials for relevent things like obesity , instead of seeing how hign they can make people jump.

  • Janelle

    Vibratrain is INCREDIBLY good

  • D2barri

    Hi – I have been using the vibratrain for 30 minutes Monday – Friday and I let the weekend do the healing. I have lost 1.35kg’s in my first week it does work !!

  • Philippa Church

    Just want to add a few thoughts on the importance of trying a high quality machine for Sal (mind you from the lack of any responses from Sal maybe he no longer reads this??) I first started Vibration Training on a really poor quality pivotal (probably a bit like the one Sal tried?). Although (call me crazy) I actually loved the feeling of being shaken to death, the machine did nothing what so ever in terms of creating any muscle fatigue and therefore building muscle mass. I then tried a Powerplate which compared the pivotal was much better and did create some muscle fatigue and I did notice some difference to muscle tone and strength. A thought about getting my own machine somehow metamorphosed into opening my own studio and I got 3 Hypergravity solid steel machines. The difference between these and the Powerplate was significant. These had the ability to make you HURT!!! It was by no means unusual for clients to lose around 3 inches from hips, 3 inches from waist and about 1.5 inches from each thigh in around 10-12 sessions. Almost everyone noticed improvements in how much stronger and firmer they became and the rehab benefits too were numerous. I have just recently upgraded to Vibra-train machines – they have now made it to the UK – Hooray! And once again the difference between these and the Hypergravities is a big one. Clients who have been coming to us for over six months are seeing a real step up in terms of their muscle growth, inch loss – and my God they are tough! Anyone who thinks this is an easy, effort free way to exercise needs to try it. If I could create a picture gallery of the screwed up faces in the throws of total muscle fatigue I would make a fortune. People virtually stagger out of the studio at times – legs like jelly – and this included top athletes and body-builders. We offer a free induction and have around a 95% rebooking rate. This would not happen if it did not work
    So… to summarise -From my experience Vibration Training does without a doubt increase muscle mass and creates inch loss… BUT these factors are hugely dependent on the quality of the machine being used. And… FYI – it does work on cellulite!

  • http://www.stuff.co.nz/ Samual Rammer

    Why was an article written asking the question “where is the research on a website?” when the website says not enough research has been done, and the small amount done was rubbish.

    It is about as productive as having an argument with yourself. This is garbage journalism.

  • http://www.vibeplus.com Di Heap – VibePlus

    [Note: I work for Vibra-Train, the brand of Vibration Machines/Training of this article] Just re-read the article. Vibra-Train (brand) is still going strong and expanding. A fad would have died out by now, instead Personal Trainers and lots of gym goers have become regular customers – Not replacing but adding to their programs. Plus physio use as in article.

    All I can do is encourage readers and especially the article writer, Sal, to try a high force lineal machine.

  • Brody

    D2barri, are you sure your going to a vibra-train outlet? Sessions are usually 10-15 minutes and you definately are not allowed to do it 5 days in a row. 3 times a week is more than enough for me, I’ve had about 18 sessions and gained 4kg of muscle.

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