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The Extinction Level Event Nobody Seems to Want to Talk About: The Gulf Oil Disaster

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On Monday morning, 5 July 2010, I was interviewed on the Tamar Yonah Show on Israel National Radio [download the interview here; interview starts in the second half of the program]. Prior to the interview, I typed up a number of talking points, and gathered together data that I had received and sent out in the prior 30 or 40 hours since the Sabbath went out on the night of 3 July.

In Short

British Petroleum (BP) drilled a well 4.5 miles (25,000 – 35,000 ft.) down under the ocean floor using materials that were not the best, and hit an abiotic oil strata with pressures of 100,000 psi. There is no technology that can handle this and on 20 April, the whole system burst apart, with the fail safes installed ceasing to work properly. BP could not cap the oil spill because of the pressure, and has not been able to since – which is now approximately 88 days ago.

What appears to have emerged over that period of time is that a bubble seems to be developing under the ocean floor, indicated by fissures and cracks through which the abiotic oil escapes, as well as poisonous chemicals like hydrogen sulfide (recommended exposure: 5-10 pp/b – reported levels: 1,000 pp/b,) methylene chloride (recommended exposure: 61 pp/b – reported levels: 3,200 pp/b) and benzene (recommended exposure: 0-4 pp/b – reported levels: 5,000 pp/b) The bubble has been located through GPS and the chemicals reported by the US government as being in the air. BP attempted to disperse the petroleum that has leaked with Corexit 9500 which is far more poisonous than petroleum.

If this bubble bursts, then the ocean floor will rise, and then fall, like a woman putting a sheet on a bed, and this fall will cause a tsunami. Best guesses for a time frame seem to be mid-August to early September. The tsunami will cause a wave of poisoned water to race across the area at between 400 to 600 mph creating a wave of water washing over the land that will be 20 to 80 feet high – which will flood out Florida entirely – and which will go from 50 to 200 miles inland. That is what a number of these podcasts suggest.

Even if this does not occur, there are no good scenarios here. There are, at minimum, poisons and oil being lifted into the atmosphere by hurricanes and tossed on land, poisoning it for a long time. In addition, the methylene chloride, hydrogen sulfide, and benzene, along with the petroleum itself, is now flowing in the Gulf Stream of the Atlantic Ocean, and where it goes, it will, like a Dementor from the Harry Potter novels, kiss the ocean floor with death, creating dead zones all over the Atlantic as the current carries it through the seas. It will kill plankton and all life it touches, and therefore all life dependent on the plankton will also die. That is happening already. The worst, as already mentioned, is the caldera event developing underneath the ocean floor, causing it to rise and fall like a sheet on a bed, and causing a tsunami that can kill millions of people. That tsunami can result, over time, in the permanent destruction of about a quarter of the United States. In sum, this is an Extinction Level Event, which is a nice way of saying that lots of people, animals, and plants die over a short period of time.

The Media Blackout and Vetting Sources

What got my attention focused on this whole situation was the presentation of a fisherman’s wife. In her 15-minute video, she talked of having been invited to sit in on meetings of BP, of various government agencies, etc., etc., and it seemed that the government was trying for some kind of transparency in dealing with what seemed at the time to be a hard-to-cap oil well. But this woman was thoroughly disillusioned with what she saw in the various government agencies and BP, and she became convinced that they were all working in collusion with each other, with the main goal of hiding their efforts or incompetence from the public. The other thing that caught my attention was her description of her childrens’ lung problems, and the way they seemed to get better whenever she drove away from the Louisiana coast where she lives, and how they got sick again as soon as she returned home. It appeared to me that this was not being covered as it should, so I sent this video out as an e-mail to people I thought might be concerned.

The next item that caught my attention was labeled “What US Scientists Are Forbidden to Tell You,” which was from a podcast from a Christian preacher. I copied this message, which was coming from a Dr. James P. Wickstrom, and was dated 4 June 2010. When I went to his site so I could read his data without all the Christian preaching, I realized that what I was reporting was from no scientist at all, but a neo-Nazi professor of either theology or literature!

For all of this guy being a neo-Nazi and all, what he said seemed to make sense, yet seemed so apocalyptically unreal that I had to think about its legitimacy. Then I remembered something Barry Chamish had told us at a restaurant after he had given a Root & Branch Lecture on the Rabin assassination in 2005. He said he thought that the Shaba”k, Israel’s secret police, steered people to him reasoning that someone who had reported on UFOs would have no credibility at all. In other words, people with guilty consciences over things they had done would be able to unload their guilt to a journalist – one that would nobody would believe. I mean, who believes all this nonsense about UFOs, right? What if scientists working for the US government who felt very anxious about what they saw had been steered to this neo-Nazi PHD with a blog – that nobody would credit except the nut cases who were neo-Nazis themselves? Considering that cops are pretty much alike all over the world, I decided to look at events from that standpoint, rather than dismiss the neo-Nazi prof outright.

It turned out that my instincts were not far off the mark. And Wickstrom followed the same path in seeking confirmatory data for what he posted on 4 June that I did. But unlike me, he has not vetted his sources.

It is clear that there is a media blackout of events in the Gulf. The administration has outlawed any media from coming closer than 65 feet to the zone being worked on, and British Petroleum has bought keywords so as to be able to manipulate where people using search engines can get their data. It has been hard to get late breaking news from the region. The latest story I’ve been able to get has been from Sorcha Faal, an Irish news source that is said to have links to Russian intelligence. In fact, one could view Sorcha Faal as analogous to Debkafiles. Debkafiles is the Mossad’s “back door” for leaks, and Sorcha Faal may well be the “back door” of Russian intelligence for the same purpose. A careful look at these articles from Sorcha Faal gives you a feel for my assertion. Obama Warns World Leaders ‘Millions Could Die’ From Gulf Oil Disaster, from 27 June; NATO Orders All ‘Critical Assets’ Moved 100 Miles From Gulf Oil Spill Region, from 4 July; NATO Orders 7,000 Marines to Costa Rica as Quake Fears Grow, from 8 July. Now the important thing to realize from these articles, all of them, is that as one goes through the links, vetting the articles, the links are legit. But in all of them is some allegation that just does not smell right. And all of the articles seem to lobby for the use of a small tactical nuke to close the spill, an act that could effectively shut down access to the oil altogether. When you realize that there are only two really massive untapped sources for abiotic oil — Russia and the Gulf of Mexico — you realize where that puts Russia in terms of controlling the world’s oil supplies.

But Sorcha Faal may not be the only source for seeing an Extinction Level Event in the Gulf Oil disaster.

Helium has an interesting Doomsday article called “How the BP Gulf Disaster May Have Triggered a World-Wide Killing Event.” The article, by Terrence Aym, explores the theories of bio-chemical engineer Gregory Ryskin of Northwestern University, who seems to believe that “[t]he oceans periodically produce massive eruptions of explosive methane gas. He has documented the scientific evidence that such an event was directly responsible for the mass extinctions that occurred 55 million years ago.” According to the article,

The warning signs of an impending planetary catastrophe—of such great magnitude that the human mind has difficulty grasping it-would be the appearance of large fissures or rifts splitting open the ocean floor, a rise in the elevation of the seabed, and the massive venting of methane and other gases into the surrounding water.

Such occurrences can lead to the rupture of the methane bubble containment—it can then permit the methane to breach the subterranean depths and undergo an explosive decompression as it catapults into the Gulf waters.

All three warning signs are documented to be occurring in the Gulf.

The article did not go by without disputation from others. Tom Burnett’s comments are worth looking at in that regard.

There are others who have reported on this, and in their reports, the methane bubble plays less of a role. In addition, assertions are made that the Gulf seabed has indeed risen, and that far more poisonous gases than methane (which is swamp gas that stinks like flatus from the intestines) have leached into the Gulf waters.

Let’s have a look, shall we? This broadcast is from 11 June, made by Sixty Minutes of Australia, and has a followon video on YouTube, the source for most of these transmissions. In this pair of videos, we see how the greed of British Petroleum helped bring on this accident when it was evidently unsafe to drill. The anger of the residents on the Gulf – and the means BP is using to silence so many of them – employing fishing boats to clean up their mess – is clear from this video. But this episode of Sixty Minutes treats the whole thing as something merely to be cleaned up – massive, tragic, but doable. That is not an accurate picture.

The following are podcasts are over a month old in some cases, but they have not been refuted. They quote sources from within BP. But this particular podcast from 8 June confirms the BP blackout conducted by purchasing keywords to deflect searches on oil spills. This podcast quotes Edgar Cayce as a “prophet,” and this is suspicious, at least from my point of view. I’d certainly want something more solid than Edgar Cayce. So, let’s look elsewhere. But before we do, let’s note the stuff that is not based in a shaky “prophecy.” Oil platforms are being shut down, and thousands of people are being put out of work. The radio host talks of an atmosphere of fear, with residents in the area scared to talk, drawing out the consequences of hiring fishing boats to clean up the oil spill pointed out in the Australian broadcast of three days later.

This podcast (actually one of four) from 14 June, is a lot more explicit in explaining why this is an Extinction Level Event. It is worth listening to in its entirety (all four parts), if you have not already caught this. Here we see the incompetence of BP further explained. This podcast talks of fissures anywhere from 5 to 20 miles away leaking oil.  But there is more. A man named Jim Hoagland, who is a science fiction writer who seems to like to create possible conspiracies, explained from his sources at British Petroleum on Coast to Coast AM what was happening. This is also from 14 June. According to this podcast, GPS measured the creation of a bubble around the wellhead. According to Hoagland, the well dug, which was 4½ miles deep, faced pressures that are 100,000 psi. The casing of the well was blown away, and there was a supersonic implosion. Perhaps if there wasn’t evidence backing Hoagland up, he could be dismissed as a scare-monger. Scare-mongers are all over talk radio, and if not for them, the shows would probably go out of business. But it appears that there is evidence backing up these claims. That’s the trouble with all this.

No more “Bubba Shrimp”

Poisoned rains are being confirmed by people claiming to have respiratory diseases near the coasts of Alabama and Mississippi, as well as South Carolina. The following series of five videos, from 28 June, is from the World Socialist Web Site, so expect its slant. But the point is that when coverage from the lame-brained media is so thin, you have to look where stuff is available.

But you see little socialism preached in these videos, at least in the first four. You see instead, people suffering from being put out of work, having their businesses destroyed, and you see the real “hope and change” the Obama administration has brought the poor people of southern Louisiana – working sick without proper safety gear and fearing to complain because they need the jobs – jobs that will shorten their lives and kill them. You see corporate greed at its best, a capitalist’s dog unleashed with no restraint upon him except orders from his boss – don’t pay out more than a quarter on the dollar. It is clear from these videos that the Corexit 9500, mixed with the petroleum, will kill the Gulf and make it a dead zone for decades, if not centuries. But anyone who looks at the relative toxicity of the Corexit against petroleum could have told you that.

But in addition to censoring the news, quietly preparing for forced evacuations at gunpoint, and putting the Gulf Coast under a corporate dictatorship, the Obama administration, long known as the bankers’ and oilmen’s dancing boy, is whitewashing even the on-site hearings.

Some folks are figuring out how to deal with the coming crisis, and calling upon people to organize with each other to get out before forced evacuations strip them of their dignity as well as their property.

Getting the Bum’s Rush?

Folks working to deal with the situation created by this disaster were driving along the Gulf one night when they saw an interesting sight — hundreds of buses and vans that they had never seen before. Do they portend an evacuation, perhaps one at gunpoint? The situation in terms of the declining air and water quality, the likelihood that there will be no work, and that the first big hurricane will leave everything it touches barren might point in that direction. On 1 July, I had compiled the four e-mails I sent out to numerous individuals in an article on my blog. From one of my correspondents I received this story of a possible evacuation being planned with a martial law alert. When I looked at the story, I traced it to southern California, and a group that keeps an eye on acts by law enforcement authorities and others, that might indicate the imposition of martial law. To cut to the chase, the fellow who posted the story, who uses the moniker “Darkelf,” said the following in his post:

Due to toxic gases from the fractured oil well in the Gulf of Mexico, the possible off-gassing of the highly-toxic Corexit 9500 (the chemical dispersant used by BP in the oil spill clean-up), acid rain and various as-yet-unknown forms of environmental damage, we believe that the government will have no choice but to relocate millions of people away from the Gulf Coast. Those living in Florida are presently at the highest risk, but the danger also appears likely to spread to all Gulf Coast states east of Louisiana and possibly even to the entire Eastern half of the United States once hurricane season begins.

Sounds familiar? Well, to make it all even more convincing, Darkelf provides us with a map of the Gulf of Mexico illustrating how far inland 200 miles really is.  If you go from left to right, you see that 200 miles in from the coast stretches from Monterey, Mexico almost to Piedras Negras on the border with the US, stretching almost as far in as Waco, Tyler (TX), Shreveport, Monroe (LA), Jackson (MS), and stretching all the way to Savannah, Georgia on the Atlantic coast. ALL OF FLORIDA IS INCLUDED IN THIS ZONE. And the source for the martial law alert? It’s called the SOCAL Martial Law Alerts Meetup Group.

This “meetup group” is kind of what the podcast I referred to a few paragraphs above talked about. Citizens organized to help each other, and work as a group for the group’s benefit. I suggest that anybody reading this article who lives near the Gulf read this link. I lived on the street once and I remember the bum’s rush all too well. It’s hard enough when you are single and it is just you yourself you worry about, and it is a McDonald’s you are being kicked out of. But when a guy is showing you, your wife, and your kids out of your homes permanently with a gun pointed at you, it can get a lot more painful.

As I said at the beginning of this article, there are no good scenarios here. I am personally persuaded that at some time in the near future, this will turn catastrophic in an apocalyptic way. I said so in that long e-mail I referenced above. But even if it doesn’t, I think we are seeing an Extinction Level Event.

That is hard to write. But I will not lie to you.

UPDATES: 1. The ban on media approaching the Gulf coast to cover the oil spill has apparently been modified, by the Coast Guard, according to Washington’s Blog.
2. BP apparently has capped the well – well, kinda sort of.

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About Ruvy

Hi!! Thanks for coming to my article! I was raised in Brooklyn, was graduated from the City University of New York in 1978 with a BA in political science and public administration there. I lived in Minnesota for a number of years. There I managed restaurants and wrote stories. We moved with our children family to Israel where we now reside. My work can be found at Ruvy's Roost, Jewish Indy,, and on Facebook under my full name, Reuven Kossover
  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    As I stated in a different comment thread, I had an article to post, and to this article, I would have to comment. So:

    British Petroleum reports capping the well and stopping the flow of oil entirely. While this is good news, the report did not mention fissures in the ocean floor where oil and gas still leach into the Gulf. And that is really where the danger lies – poison gas and oil leaching uncontrolled, not from wells but from beneath the ocean floor. So, those living near the Gulf are by no means out of the woods. Neither is anyone who will be affected by the Gulf Stream.

  • http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/author/danmiller/ Dan(Miller)

    Ruvy,

    The possibility is briefly noted here, more or less in passing:

    White House press secretary Robert Gibbs discussed the hazards of the test Wednesday.

    “If the structural integrity of the well bore isn’t strong, what you’ll get is oil . . . coming out into the strata,” he said. That could mean leaks “from multiple points on the seafloor.”

    Dan(Miller)

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/alan-kurtz Alan Kurtz

    What a load of rubbish. There’s more junk science in this article than there is crude oil in the Gulf of Mexico, and it’s just as ugly. One source is a Christian Identity minister, known to be affiliated with neo-Nazi groups such as the Aryan Nations, who preaches that modern Jews are not Israelites or Hebrews but descend from the guy in the Bible who traded his birthright for a bowl of lentil stew. “What he said seemed to make sense,” Ruvy allows.

    Another source is misidentified as “a man named Jim Hoagland, who is a science fiction writer who seems to like to create possible conspiracies.” As the hyperlinked YouTube video shows, the man in question is Richard C. Hoagland, a proponent of various conspiracy theories about NASA, lost alien civilizations on the Moon and on Mars, and other such blarney. He has no scientific training. For the record and by contrast, Jim Hoagland is a two-time Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist with The Washington Post.

    Other sources include the dubiously named blogger “Darkelf” and the equally crackpot SoCal Martial Law Alerts web site. “I am personally persuaded,” writes Ruvy after sifting through the contents of his online dumpster, “that at some time in the near future, this will turn catastrophic in an apocalyptic way.”

    Like all good doomsayers, Ruvy eschews facts in favor of guesswork, speculation, sneaking suspicion and divination. “What appears to have emerged over that period of time is that a bubble seems to be developing under the ocean floor. … If this bubble bursts, then the ocean floor will rise, and then fall, like a woman putting a sheet on a bed, and this fall will cause a tsunami … that can kill millions of people. That tsunami can result, over time, in the permanent destruction of about a quarter of the United States. In sum, this is an Extinction Level Event.” (Emphases added.) In fact, the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, the deadliest in history, killed 229,866. No tsunami has ever killed millions or caused an Extinction Level Event.

    Running to six pages, Ruvy’s article is exceptionally long by Blogcritics standards. Yet he left out the best part of his thesis. Fortunately, in the article’s first paragraph he provides a link to his interview on Israel National Radio, where he expounds on “the religious angle” of the forthcoming Gulf Coast apocalypse. “Hashem,” says Ruvy, so pious he cannot bring himself to use God’s real name, “caused BP to build a well that would be an accident waiting to happen. Hashem then caused that accident to happen one day after President Obama did something to damage Israel. If this bubble under the seafloor bursts, it’ll burst at a time again that Obama does something to damage Israel.”

    That’s too good to have gone missing from this BC screed. It also requires a bit of explaining. On April 19, 2010, the ever-unreliable Fox News alleged that the Obama administration was “reportedly” (source undisclosed) “giving serious consideration to not using its veto if a vote on Israeli settlements was to come up [in the UN]. It has been the policy of successive administrations to veto virtually all anti-Israel resolutions at the Security Council.?” U.S. officials at the UN insisted there was no such initiative pending and they were not “pursuing or encouraging such action.”

    The next day, President Obama issued a birthday greeting. “On the 62nd Anniversary of the establishment of the State of Israel, I join the American people in congratulating the government and people of Israel on this celebration of their independence. We once again honor the extraordinary achievements of the people of Israel, and their deep and abiding friendship with the American people.”

    By coincidence (at least to everyone except Ruvy), BP’s Deepwater Horizon blew up that same day, causing an unprecedented oil spill into the Gulf of Mexico. To most of the world, this was a tragic accident. To Ruvy, it was the hand of God–or, rather, Hashem–punishing his unfaithful servant Barack. Apparently Obama’s “Happy Birthday to Israel” was insufficiently enthusiastic. And that’s why Deepwater Horizon blew up.

    One thing about Ruvy: he’s always wrong, but never fails to entertain.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    I’m not going to spend time on my religious views here – at least not yet. But the junk science in this article?

    Let’s see, petroleum, Corexit 9500, benzene and other poisons killing off all life in the Gulf – definite “junk science”. Ask the folks with the boarded up restaurants along the Gulf, and see what they tell you. They’re afraid to condemn BP, but the death of the Gulf, they’ll talk about.

    The petrol and the poisons in the Gulf Stream headed towards Europe – more “junk science”. The fissures on the Gulf floor – more “junk science”. All documented – if not in this article, all over the internet – but barely on the mass media. The same with the rise of the Gulf floor.

    The only thing I have pointed out is that the consequences of this will continue whether BP succeeds in capping this well or not. The bubble under the floor may well burst, but even if it does not, hurricanes will merge the poisons in the sea with the air and pour poisons upon the continental US.

    I’m glad you are entertained, Alan. I certainly am not….

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/alan-kurtz Alan Kurtz

    Ruvy, you write “pour poisons upon the continental US” as if nothing would please you more. You’re more fun than a car full of clowns.

  • scum

    Shall we discuss the overused image of a woman making a bed?

  • Ruvy

    Shall we discuss the overused image of a woman making a bed?

    I can call you “scum”, right? That is the moniker you posted under.

    I discussed a woman putting a sheet on a bed, not making a bed. One could just as easily use the image of putting a tablecloth on the dining room table, having it rise in the air, and then settle on the table to describe the rising of the ocean floor under the influence of the pressures beneath it, and then settling back down.

    Of course, you do not get a tsunami from putting a sheet on a bed, or a tablecloth on a table. And there is no absolute assurance that such an event will occur. But, if it does, those of you in North America will get to sleep in the bed the investment bankers, the oilmen and their government lackeys have made for you.

    I have the uncomfortable feeling that this bed will not be as comfortable as one with a Sealy Posturpedic mattress or a Hollandia bed. And since much of my own family would have to sleep in that bed too, the prospect brings me no joy.

  • http://www.joannehuspek.wordpress.com Joanne Huspek

    Ruvy, I was here; I read.

  • John Wilson

    Ruvys lurid conspiracy theories are often amusing and contain too many errant ideas to debunk them all. The Methane bubble probably doesn’t do much as methane is rather easily absorbed in sea water, and it happens all the time already. A highschool junior should have had enough simple physics to know that an ancient experiment (Torricelli?) shows that one atmosphere of pressure is a column of water about 34 feet, so that the pressure at 5000 feet is about 150 atmosphere’s, or about 20,000psi.

    At the same time, any sentient person who has read a little about the cosmology of the solar system and the 5 billion year history of the earth, or seen a few PBS documentaries, must realize that our perch on this frail planet is very tenuous indeed, and it would behoove us to not abuse the privilege.

    Nevertheless, it seems that we have marched off in the direction of allowing every kind of injury and excess to be inflicted upon our poor little blue-green planet. Usually this is done in the name of one of the cockamamey religious or ideological theories that delude us, such as ‘free market capitalism’.

    So one cannot be blamed for concluding that Humanity is NOT a Climax Species (like the cockroach), and even that our reign may be very short, given the accelerating ability we have to heedlessly destroy our biota.

    Given that we can’t reasonably hope for humans to endure we can at least hope to minimize the collateral damage on other species so that something more worthy, like insects, will survive our mad suicide plunge.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/dr-dreadful/ Dr Dreadful

    something more worthy, like insects

    There’s a story, which may be apocryphal, about a journalist who was interviewing Charles Darwin, and asked him what sort of person, in the light of his research and theories, he thought God might be.

    “Well,” Darwin is said to have responded, “he must be inordinately fond of beetles.”

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Hi Ruvy,

    Halliburton’s inferior plugs and the fact that the mud was replaced by water on the rig prior to the explosion clearly was the cause of this disaster.

    Everything is not religious,Ruvy especially in the Sci/Tech world.

  • Irene Wagner

    The sci/tech world isn’t a bad place to start looking.You’ll enjoy this, Ruvy.

    I can’t see the beetle link in #10.

  • http://www.RoseDigitalMarketing.com Christopher Rose

    Bubbles, gas, pessimistic and unfounded predictions of doom, now with an extinction level event twist on top.

    The more Ruvy changes, the more he stays the same, including his inability to keep his promise not to comment here any more.

    Of course, there is one consistency, his 100% record as being completely wrong about everything; it takes a special person to do that.

  • zingzing

    last time it was supposed to be swine flu. now it’s a giant bubble of cow farts. such claptrap nonsense as this should be avoided, as there are real problems to solve down there. no need to waste time on ridiculous conspiracy theories.

  • Ruvy

    Christopher,

    UNTIL I’M BANNED FROM THIS SITE, IF I WISH TO COMMENT ON AN ARTICLE, I WILL. THAT I’M RELUCTANT TO AT ALL IS MOSTLY DUE TO YOUR ATTITUDE IN ERASING MY COMMENTS FOR NO GOOD REASON.

  • Ruvy

    Joanne, thank you for reading the article. I appreciate that.

    Mr. Wilson, the pressure at the bottom of the Gulf seafloor is about 20,000 psi. The well went another 4 miles under the surface of the planet – where the pressure was (and still is) 100,000 psi. And BP did not, and still does not have, the technology to deal with that. NOBODY DOES. Over time, this cap will fail.

    Thank you for the link on numbers, Irene. I enjoyed it very very much.

    As for the remaining of the comments (10, 11,13,14) your contemptive dismissals will boomerang in your faces as the real consequences of killing the entire Gulf of Mexico sink in – slowly. That is all I need say in answer.

  • zingzing

    but you promised, ruvy… and stop yelling. it’s unbecoming.

  • zingzing

    ruvy: “As for the remaining of the comments (10, 11,13,14) your contemptive dismissals will boomerang in your faces as the real consequences of killing the entire Gulf of Mexico sink in – slowly. That is all I need say in answer.”

    except for the fact that you completely miss the point. everyone knows there are problems in the gulf of mexico. but an imaginary giant methane bubble isn’t what we should be concentrating on. you’ve been had.

  • http://www.RoseDigitalMarketing.com Christopher Rose

    Ruvy, shouting doesn’t cover up your forked tongue or your misperception.

    You are the one that abuses this site with your wackadoodle agenda and you are the one using your Blogcritics biography to make the point that you won’t be commenting here. It seems entirely reasonable to expect you to live up to your assertion.

    Furthermore, it is entirely inaccurate to claim that I have ever “erased” any of your comments for no good reason; the only times that I have done so have been for clear, blatant and persistent breaches of the comments policy.

    And your article is still paranoid nonsense based on your ever more clearly exposed prejudice and its wacky dogma. Grow up before it is too late for you…

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/alan-kurtz Alan Kurtz

    Christopher Rose (#19), I hope you’ve stopped scolding Ruvy. You sound like an old schoolmarm. Why don’t you leave Ruvy alone and come back to my thread? I got the impression you weren’t finished scolding me there.

  • Irene Wagner

    Ruvy, I am so glad you enjoyed the link in…let’s see…it’s still comment #12, is it? LOL. I was pretty sure you would.

    I am not sure. Maybe the order of the day is trust, then obey; blessing offered first, then the alternative curse; first the good news, then the bad news…and then, a reminder of the essential rightness of the Universe, a sober reminder that the choice is ours to participate in that rightness, or to cause the Almighty to have to work around our rebellion.

    I did hear a funny story once—and this isn’t to discourage people from giving warnings they fill they have been called to give, or to lull people into neglect of wise precautions—but here it is:

    A very old man told me once, “My daughter, I have seen a lot of trouble in my day. Most of it never happened.”

    There are a lot of things about life and the universe that are truly, VERIFIABLY wondrous and awe-inspiring. You know about some of them.

  • Ruvy

    Thanks, Irene, for your kind words. The world, as you say, is filled with wondrous things – all verifiable, and all, to those who have wisdom and eyes willing to see testaments to the Creator.

    The beginning of Wisdom is Fear (Awe) of G-d.

  • Ruvy

    Irene, Joanne,

    I pointed out to one of my correspondents elsewhere that this was a situation that required human repentance – at the highest as well as the lowest levels of humanity – or that increased disasters would follow. I told her I doubted that this would occur, and I directed her to this comment thread to see the future – if she cared to.

  • Ruvy

    A friend on Facebook asked if the cap would hold and a fellow she respects as authoritative gave some answers. They are worth noting:

    1. “Oil and residue chemicals are leaking at the ocean floor in multiple places. The pressure that blew the cap was 60,000 to 100,000 PSI About 20,000 PSI is tech limit They are testing at less than 10,000 around 6,000 Do the math. They are testing to see how much is actually going elsewhere……..”

    Asked directly if the cap would, hold he answered:

    2. “The cap will hold because the pressure is reduced due to leaks below the ocean floor. Kinda like when a person has a stroke. They are looking for the leaks as we speak.”

    From this answer, we can deduce that the piping of the well has been seriously damaged, and that the oil and other gases are going elsewhere. What that means precisely, is anyone’s guess.

  • http://www.RoseDigitalMarketing.com Christopher Rose

    “The beginning of Wisdom is Fear (Awe) of G-d.”

    This is backwards; actually the beginning of ignorance, superstition and fear is believing in gods.

    The beginning of wisdom is realising there is no god and we are responsible for looking after each other and the planet.

    If it were true, as seems to be implied by #23, that the lack of human repentance (no idea for what) is causing “god” to create increased disasters, then if it existed it is clearly our enemy. Thankfully it doesn’t, except as a dark shadow in the minds of the superstitious and fearful.

    A friend of a friend told me, yeah, that is authoritative. Deduction requires facts, evidence and logic…

  • Ruvy

    A further update: The clear and present danger to the population of the United States, Mexico, the nations of the Caribbean and Central America, is the hurricane season upcoming. Even in a year where you do not have serious poisoning of the waters that would enter the atmosphere in cyclonic storms, the cyclonic storms are a danger, but the benzene, along with the petroleum and Corexit 9500 in the water of the Gulf of Mexico and parts of the Gulf Stream raise dangers of disease, particularly cancer, along with dangers of sterilizing the land.

    This article at Pajamas Media, written by meteorologist Art Horn, examines these dangers and attempts to read the tea-leaves with respect to what is in the cards, cyclone-wise. It’s worth reading in full, IMHO.

  • http://www.RoseDigitalMarketing.com Christopher Rose

    IMHO? You actually believe your opinions are humble?

    Art Horn, who spent 25 years as a TV weatherman, wrote a highly speculative article full of ifs and maybes; in other words, a load of hot air…

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Whatta guy, Chris! I gotta hand it to you. Got right to the nub!

    Art Horn, who spent 25 years as a TV weatherman, wrote a highly speculative article full of ifs and maybes; in other words, a load of hot air…

    I don’t know how things work on British TV, Chris, but in the States, if you want to forecast the weather, you have to be a certified meteorologist. It’s a waste of money, I agree, but some fellow on WOR Radio in New York marketed himself as Dr. Bob, claiming to have a meteorologist’s degree from some school or another. He got himself a column in the NYT, a spot on one of the local stations, etc., etc., and then one day, it turned out that his doctorate in meteorology was fraudulent, and all he had done was take courses in a junior college on Long Island somewhere and just bald-faced lied his way into the radio station… So, today all the guys reading off weather forecasts have to prove they are meteorolgists – even if it would be cheaper just to have some pretty woman in a short skirt reading off the numbers – or for those who remember, an artist talking about “Uncle Weatherbee” while hustling Consolidated Edison.

    So, Chris, don’t question Art Horn’s credentials. Forecasting weather beyond 24 or 48 hours is a fool’s errand, but his article uses solid meterological principles, and probability. Finally, all weather forecasting is full of ifs and maybes – but when backed up by years of similar occurrences, those ifs and maybes have a habit of being statistically accurate.

    Of course, if you wish to argue with the science of statistics, be my guest. You can start by arguing with the fellow at the life assurance firm who set your rates based on the statistical probability of when you will die.

    As for the weather here in Samaria, I can tell you right now what the forecast is for the next month or so – hot and dry. That will not stop my wife from going to the computer to look it up anyway.

  • http://www.RoseDigitalMarketing.com Christopher Rose

    Ruvy, if forecasting the weather “beyond 24 or 48 hours is a fool’s errand”, what does your citing of this guy’s highly speculative article about possible events over the next several months do to support your own highly speculative article? Talk about houses built on sand!

    Whilst you’re here, do tell me how your repeated calls for the nuking of Tehran take into account the 20,000 to 40,000 Jews that live there?

    Are you aware that Iran actually has the highest Jewish population of any country in the entire region after Israel itself?

    Or that it has the largest Jewish population of any Muslim country and that Jews are actually protected under its written constitution?

  • Irene Wagner

    Christopher Rose, you’re promoting IRAN as a beacon of religious liberty?

    Quote:
    “Iranians are considered some of most pro west population in the Middle East. Much to the Islamic Republic’s dismay, ordinary Iranians were the first to hold candle light vigils to mourn the loss of life in the United Sates after hijackers crashed airlines into the World Trade Center, while in contrast Palestinians celebrated and danced in the streets.”

    “But for some unexplained reason, the world does not seem to condemn blatant human rights violations committed by the Islamic Republic of Iran. When the UN elected Iran to the Commission on Women’s Rights, not a single word was heard from our Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, or the US Ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice. When pictures and videos of brutal crackdown, torture and killings of young demonstrators were all over the Internet, the news media remained largely silent. To this day, the UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon has refused to strongly condemn the Iranian Regime’s blatant violation of just about every article in the UN Convention of Human Rights, despite being a member nation and signatory to it. Ironically, when nine knife-carrying supposedly Palestinian human rights activists were killed by Israeli police, it sparked an international outcry and condemnation.”

  • Irene Wagner

    The United Nations is a sacred cow for some, Christopher Rose.

  • Irene Wagner

    The “Global Politician,” has its own particular slant. I’d have to add that.

    The One Good Guy on a white horse isn’t Israel, and it isn’t the U.N., or the U.S. either.

  • http://www.RoseDigitalMarketing.com Christopher Rose

    No, Irene, I was pointing out some facts to a religious extremist who routinely calls for Israel to nuke everyone he disagrees with, whether it be the USA, the UK, Saudi Arabia, Iran or even Tel Aviv.

    I know you share some of his religious fervour, which probably explains why you misinterpreted the facts I pointed out as you did.

    I completely agree that there are many things about global politics that make no sense, including religion informed government. I condemn all forms of that as corrupt and corrupting.

    I have no idea what a sacred cow is, unless you mean the way Hindus consider them, but then I have no idea what you’re on about most of the time, as in your #32.

  • Irene Wagner

    Christopher Rose, a “sacred cow” is a metaphor for an institution or concept that is considered to be above reproach, unassailable. Many people who would describe themselves as being not superstitious at all do, in fact, have sacred cows.

    Hope that helps you to “understand what I’m on about” 0.03% of the time at least, then.

    The last line of your #29 suggests that the government of Iran defends religious freedom of expression. No, Christopher Rose, it does not. Iran has an abysmal human rights record, in general. Pretend that the people of Iran are NOT oppressed by their government, and you have little more to recommend your point of view than does one who promotes dropping nuclear bombs on them.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I’m sure Chris is familiar with the concept.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Those two giants who have wrecked the Gulf of Mexico, BP and the US government, are arguing over what to do with that oil cap. BP wants to sit with the cap on – presumably to prevent its share prices from dropping. The government – in the form of the US Coast Guard’s Thad Allen – wants tests, and a possible removal of the cap. The government is worried over the low pressure in the cap – which indicates, as noted in comment #24, “The cap will hold because the pressure is reduced due to leaks below the ocean floor. Kinda like when a person has a stroke. They are looking for the leaks as we speak.”

    From this answer, we can deduce that the piping of the well has been seriously damaged, and that the oil and other gases are going elsewhere.

    Let’s look at the government’s side for a moment, as presented us, courtesy of the Associated Press and Yahoo! News.

    “When seeps are detected, you are directed to marshal resources, quickly investigate, and report findings to the government in no more than four hours. I direct you to provide me a written procedure for opening the choke valve as quickly as possible without damaging the well should hydrocarbon seepage near the well head be confirmed,” Allen said in a letter to BP Managing Director Bob Dudley.

    An administration official familiar with the spill oversight told The Associated Press that the seep and possible methane were found near the well. The official spoke on condition of anonymity Sunday because an announcement about the next steps had not been made yet. The official also would not clarify what is seeping near the well.

    So, the liars are finally admitting to methane spillage, seeping from other parts of the ocean floor, etc. etc. On condition of anonymity, of course….

  • http://www.RoseDigitalMarketing.com Christopher Rose

    Irene, I don’t consider anything or anybody (including myself, before you wonder) to be above reproach or infallible.

    I’m sorry that you somehow gained the impression that the last line of my #29 suggested anything; I more often just say what I mean and wasn’t suggesting anything more than I wrote.

    I am well aware that Iran isn’t perfect but many other countries aren’t either, including yours and mine.

  • Irene Wagner

    29 stated Jews are actually protected under its written constitution If by this statement of yours, you did not mean to imply that the citizens of Iran enjoy religious liberty, what DID you mean to imply?

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Hi again!! I have more updates for you. The first is a Youtube video of a massive oil leak. The second is from Reuters on how BP is now saying that Gulf oil is not from its well. The third is out of the Examiner, and appears to be from Tampa, FL. confirming an oil leak on the Gulf floor.

    Against that, this comment from the same article should be noted:

    “The sea floor of the Gulf of Mexico has had oil seeping from cracks all over it for millenia longer than anyone has ever been drilling in it. That’s why the petro companies want to drill there in the first place. The naturally occurring oil seeps are dead giveaway clues that oil reservoirs are under the sea bed. The drillers are just now finding out that the subterranean pressures in these deep oil reservoirs are a lot more intense than they ever planned for and they got caught by surprise.”

    Looking at it all in the longer view, the real issues are
    1. The immense amount of oil poisoning the Gulf now, and
    2. The rise in the Gulf seafloor. In saying this, small amounts of methane are not the issue. Methane is not a poisonous gas. Benzene is. The possibility of the seabed rising and then falling, causing a tsunami, is an important issue.

    And now, I’ll continue to try fasting for Tishá b’Av.

  • http://www.RoseDigitalMarketing.com Christopher Rose

    Irene, thanks for demonstrating so wonderfully the problem of communicating with faithists.

    As I said in #37, I “wasn’t suggesting anything more than I wrote”. It is what we call a fact, not the “divining” of meaning where there is none that you and your ilk seem to find so rewarding.

    As for you, Ruvy, you seem to be labouring under the delusion (just one of many) that the rest of us aren’t following the news. We are, and are well aware of the issues and the potential problems…

  • Milton Haynes, Jr

    It’s all very interesting. Are we to believe the BP disaster started the leaks under the ocean floor?

  • Ruvy

    No, Milton, there have been leaks of one kind or another under the Gulf for years. But the BP disaster has exacerbated the leaks and perhaps caused a rise in the ocean floor which may bring far worse disasters. As it stands, the hurricane season is the most obvious danger, with the winds lifting ambient oil in the Gulf and dumping it, and Corexit 9500 on the land. The leak has been sorta capped, and oil is still leaking due to the weakness of the pipes.

  • danny boy

    Am very worried about corexit and the chance of Tsunami.. It seems like we have launched an ELE and there is no going back just like the dinosaurs we face our fate. Our last words will be there goes the outcome of cosmic greed and stupidity

  • danny boy

    Further Cousteau the grand son of the oceanographer and of course he is in the same profession thinks the whole ocean will be a dead zone within 50 yrs..But Methane pouring out of siberia and the Gulf may radically shorten that space of time and we will lose alot of fertile coastlines to The real effects of radical global warming. Are we atavistically returning to a methane atmosphere??

  • Robert White

    Ruvy, my brother has just been assigned to a naval academy located in lower Mississippi, right by the Gulf of Mexico. I am very concerned for his safety as is the whole family. In your opinion what is “the most immediate life threatening outcome” that could and may take place? I live in the Ohio Valley and by no means do I think that populations this far inland will not be affected or should I say “infected” by this “Biblical Catastrophe”, but I do think my family and I live far enough inland that we will be safe from the devastating effects of an “initial” tsunami if one we’re to occur. No joking and in all practicality, if possible should he leave the area?

  • Ruvy

    Robert, I don’t know what to tell you precisely. I still think a tsunami is a distinct possibility, in spite of all the soothing noises in the American media. The trouble with saying that is anyone reading those words will want a “date certain”. I am not a prophet, that I can give you such a thing. Perhaps if your brother were to arrange for some leave in the near future, taking his family (if he has one) with him to Ohio….

  • Robert White

    Ruvy, thank you kindly for your quick response. I understand your reluctance to answer my questions in the form that I had asked them. I just wanted to know in your “opinion” the most immediate and dangerous risk that one could be taking being in the area. I understand the devastation that a tsunami could cause but what about the poisons, Corexit 9500 and Benzene? Could a person not working directly with the spill in the Gulf area be exposed to such poisons on an everyday basis through the water systems, air, food ect… Thanking you again in advance, R.W

  • Ruvy

    Robert,

    I’m writing from Israel, about 10,000 miles from the Gulf. We’re on the edge of a war here, a game-changing situation that can wreak tremendous havoc or destruction – or not. So, my attention has been focused on local issues, if you will.

    But the fact that there have already been poison rains, that there has been Corexit 9500, benzene and other lovelies in the air, added to the fact that this has been around for a while, tells me that these poisons have made their way into the water table. It’s bad enough drinking the water in NO without poisons from my own memory. When I visited there some 32 years ago, we drank strong “Community” coffee or Coke, rather than drink the water (they didn’t sell bottled mineral water then).

    Anyone on the coast can be exposed to the poisons of the petroleum, Corexit 9500 and benzene, in my own humble opinion. How long this will last is anyone’s guess. If there are no further disasters with this oil well, it will take many decades for the Gulf to recover, and for the air to actually be clean – even to the level it had been before BP stuck its rigs there.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    After 6 weeks, the US government and BP continue to censor the news about this extinction level event.

  • zingzing

    hrm. there’s oil in the water. no surprise there. but are you really sticking with the “extinction level event” thing?

  • Ruvy

    Ah – 1 January 2011. News about the Gulf oil spill? Not much. But this 20 minute interview from 21 December indicating that the Gulf Stream is dead points the finger directly at British Petroleum and its greed – and the corruption of the Obama administration. According to one of the fellows on the podcast, “we have screwed up so bad that we have an extinction level event.”

    “You can spin, you can lie, you can deceive, but guess what? The weather is still there!”

    Enjoy a great year!!

  • http://cinemasentries.com/ El Bicho

    I saw Ruvy was sharing some conspiracy video over on facebook about an event regarding our military and swine flu happening in October, and came over here to see when that extinction event was supposed to happen.

  • http://www.RosesSpanishBoots.com Christopher Rose

    Here we are, almost two years later and no extinction level event has occurred.

    Do you think if there was a god it would protect us from gloomy old men?

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/IanMayfield Dr Dreadful

    But Chris, I thought God was a gloomy old man.

  • Igor

    Art Horn is just a TV weatherman, not a scientist.

    Art Horn


    70 of Inhofe’s Global Warming Deniers Have No Climate Science Background.

    So how qualified are they to weigh in on the subject?

    Inhofe’s 400 Global Warming Deniers Debunked

    70 of Inhofe’s Global Warming Deniers Have No Climate Science Background

    84 of Inhofe’s Global Warming Deniers Have Taken Industry Money

    Sen. James M. Inhofe’s list of 400+ supposedly prominent climate scientists who doubt global warming is full of names that should raise big question marks, including economists and other social scientists, mathematicians, TV weathermen, retired scientists, amateurs and industry-supported scientists. Also included are these 70 names of people who seem to lack any discernible background in climate science. Read here about why that could be an issue of concern.

    Here are the names below. View the full list here.

    29. Art Horn, meteorologist currently operating http://www.theartofweather.com.
    http://wvit.weatherplus.com/weathernews/1251043/detail.html