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Bog and JuJu help me in this dark hour of insanity…

i have seen the naked face of what’s rotten in this Nation i Love so much, standing on a podium last night, spewing the platitudes his handlers cranked out so they could hit the numbers and numb the hitters…

so much was missing, so much hidden from inquisitive eyes…
trade deficit
stagnant wages
more money spent on Iraq than just about ANY endeavor EVER undertaken by our Nation….why?
National Debt…Budget Deficit….nothing from the first POTUS with an MBA, who controls House and Senate…and why they can’t fucking balance a checkbook?
just about 40 seconds on illegal aliens, border security…he says to enforce the Law towards the aliens, but said bupkis about enforcing the Law against the businesses that hire them!

what do we get?
more bullshit from the NeoCon Agenda as to why we are working on Empire America…
now we, as a Nation, are being Tasked with liberating the World, playing not only Policeman…but Nanny, changing the filthy diapers of other countries and trying to teach them to play nice with each other…not by Example, but by invading and slapping them around as we see fit, throwing away our Blood and Treasure…FOREVER!

not only that, but the call to not only renew the oxy-moronic “Patriot Act” but the insistence that the President doesn’t even fucking NEED to submit to judicial Review or Congressional oversight in matters concerning wiretaps
the insistence that he has “Constitutional powers” to completely ignote the 4th and 5th Amendments just by CLAIMING that they are
“hunting tewwowists…heheheheheh” (/end Elmer Fudd voice)

fucking spare me…

that’s just the Loathing part

now for the Fear

Liberty: Born July 4th, 1776 – Died January 31st 2006

with the confirmation of Alito to the Supreme Court, right on the heels of Roberts being appointed as Chief Justice…the final piece of the totalitarian take over appears to be complete…

definition time

Fascism- A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism

this is the bright, coppery taste of the Fear right there, that the NeoCons under the leadership of Rove, have finally grabbed ALL the reigns of Power in their pale, chubby fists

now the President can say it, force the Congress and Senate to pass it, and the Supremes will rubber stamp it

things like bypassing the FISA laws or the War Powers Act…which they are already doing

things like accelerating the selling out of America via their Corporate and Lobbyist Masters , bit by bit…for Chinese and Indian money to line CEO’s pockets while tossing aside American Workers

things like more pre-emptive wars to “end tyranny” whenever and however the White House decides to do so

on and on

distract,distort,deny and destroy

that’s the Rovian way…go ahead, look at the transcripts of the speech…you will see Emperor Shrub use “bi-partisanship” like a club to make the point over and over again that it means everybody do it MY way…not that we can all work things out together

read closely and you can find numerous instances where he sets up a false dichotomy that lets you believe to speak against the policy means you are un-American somehow

over and over you see examples of how this speech was NOT from a President or Administration that seeks to govern ALL the People…but instead panders to it’s base at all costs, and tosses the red meat towards the carnivores in the Lobby

yeah..i know i’m being a bit harsh…intentionally so

after seeing the quisling, milquetoast DLC types creaming themselves in their rampant desire to grow up to be just like the GOP Machine…i despair that we will break loose from the totalitarian nightmare i see heading our way…

too many folks sleepwalking like pigs in the wilderness, blithely unAware of the tiger pit filled with pungi stakes smeared with Greed’s shit and waiting to lay the gangrene down on U.S.

too disgusted to go on…the Jeffersonian Option is drawing closer, the next Installment may just be “This, I Believe”…and you, gentle Readers, will note i NEVER use the word “believe” about myself…

me? i killed my cel phone, am heading out to invest all i have into canned goods and shotguns…then time to head to the nearest Revival tent to get “born again” and sign up for the GOP’s next primary and send a check to Pat Robertson right after i get a crew cut…

cuz ya don’t need a Weatherman to know which way the Wind blows…

your mileage may vary

Excelsior?

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About gonzo marx

  • http://www.landofthefreehomeofthebrave.org/wp/ Margaret Romao Toigo

    Indeed, what Mr. Bush did not say speaks volumes. And loudly enough to be noticed by many. I fear his troubles are just beginning.

    I thought it was a rather mundane speech, a sort of “Dubya’s Greatest Hits — Remixed,” except for that part about us being addicted to oil, that was new.

    If “hitting the numbers and numbing the hitters” (I liked that one, BTW) was the intent, it isn’t likely to have much effect.

    So why such pessimism when November is still so far away?

    BTW, Justice Alito is turning out to be a surprise… I think I will reserve my judgment on the justice for now. Remember, he wasn’t elected and doesn’t have to worry about getting re-elected.

  • gonzo marx

    why the pessimism? too much to list i guess…but i am trying to reserve being too extreme until after November

    my worry is how much of a shitstorm can be brewed up prior to that, all it would take are a few SCOTUS decisions to really screw the pooch for a generation

    but we will see, mebbe i’ll be pleasantly suprised

    it’s the privacy shyte that really has my panties in a twist…and some folks wonder why i use a pseudonym

    objects in mirror may be closer than they appear

    Excelsior!

  • SonnyD

    Gonzo: yes, yes, no, no, no, no, yes, yes, yes, maybe, maybe, OK, no, so?, overstated, but I know what you mean, ya think?, no, yes but it won’t last very long, no, no, no, it’s politics after all, yes, yes, yes, HUH?, this I gotta see, Talk about Drama!

  • gonzo marx

    SonnyD…thanks for the Laugh…

    i needed it

    Excelsior!

  • Dave Nalle

    Bog and JuJu help me in this dark hour of insanity…

    By the twin hurtling moons of Barzoom, I will address just a few of your points, you bleating Bantha.

    trade deficit

    A nonexistent fictional construct.

    stagnant wages

    Except for how they’re going up and all.

    more money spent on Iraq than just about ANY endeavor EVER undertaken by our Nation….why?

    Ever heard of adjusting for inflation? Take even the War on Poverty and slap it into 2006 dollars and the Iraq War looks like chickenfeed.

    National Debt…Budget Deficit….nothing from the first POTUS with an MBA, who controls House and Senate…and why they can’t fucking balance a checkbook?

    Did you miss the part about cutting the deficit in half by 2009? Not an exciting solution, but an answer to your question anyway.

    with the confirmation of Alito to the Supreme Court, right on the heels of Roberts being appointed as Chief Justice…the final piece of the totalitarian take over appears to be complete…

    Give me a break. Even if Mr. Bland is an arch conservative Roe v. Wade still gets held up 5-4 at the very least.

    Fascism- A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism

    Which is about as alien as you can get from Bush’s feel-good niceguy speech.

    distract,distort,deny and destroy

    The words you live by.

    that’s the Rovian way…go ahead, look at the transcripts of the speech…you will see Emperor Shrub use “bi-partisanship” like a club to make the point over and over again that it means everybody do it MY way…not that we can all work things out together

    Yeah, bipartisanship and consensual government sure are signs of fascism. Huh?

    read closely and you can find numerous instances where he sets up a false dichotomy that lets you believe to speak against the policy means you are un-American somehow

    I sure can’t find them. Maybe you can point them out for us.

    me? i killed my cel phone, am heading out to invest all i have into canned goods and shotguns…then time to head to the nearest Revival tent to get “born again” and sign up for the GOP’s next primary and send a check to Pat Robertson right after i get a crew cut…

    I already have the canned goods and shotguns, not to mention a 3-pounder for a little artillery support. I’m going to have to update the emergency supplies before 2008 and establish power independence by then as well, because I figure the shit’s going to come down right around March of ’09 when all the things you imagine about Bush come true under Hillary.

    Dave

  • Dave Nalle

    And BTW, I thought on a lark I’d look up that wage growth data. Personal income is up 6.5% over the past year. That’s more than double the rate of inflation. That’s pretty damned good.

    Dave

  • gonzo marx

    so, some folks think that the trade deficit is a “fictional construct”..

    that one bloggles my little mind..so let’s take a peek…

    this year, we imported 200 billion dollars more in high tech products from china than we exported

    that, by definition, is a deficit…and that’s just the tip of the iceberg…check out how much of our aircraft sub-assemblies are being made in China, shipped here…then sold back at a discount

    each and every penny is one we used to make here from a high paying middle class job

    check Lou Dobbs’ website..he gives ya nice linkages to the numbers from the GAO and CBO

    speaking of the CBO…one last one to touch on real quick…that “cut the deficit in half by 2009″ …according to the CBO…that’s a complete lie and utterly impossible at this point

    have fun with the Research…me? i just got a whole case of barf bags…

    Excelsior?

  • http://www.markiscranky.org Mark Saleski

    where did you find the personal income data? i heard/read yesterday that it had not kept up with inflation for 2005. (and i’ll be damned where i heard or read it)

  • gonzo marx

    well… here is the link to the numbers i was talking about…and this nice Article raises many of the same Questions…and more

    not to mention it being from an exemplary professional journalist who specializes in these money matters and whom i think is one of the best around today in being Objective and Ethical in his work

    give it a read

    Excelsior!

  • gonzo marx

    dreck…lemme try this linkage again…

    here

    Excelsior!

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    so, some folks think that the trade deficit is a “fictional construct”..

    that one bloggles my little mind..so let’s take a peek…

    No, gonzo, the IDEA that the trade deficit is meaningful is a fictional construct. It’s all trade and all of benefit to the nation, whether it’s outgoing or incoming. The US economy has always been driven by consumers, so an imbalance in favor of imports over exports is not, in fact, a problem at all.

    each and every penny is one we used to make here from a high paying middle class job

    Except, of course, that this is not true, because jobs have expanded substantially in the tech sector and in the middle

    speaking of the CBO…one last one to touch on real quick…that “cut the deficit in half by 2009″ …according to the CBO…that’s a complete lie and utterly impossible at this point

    The last CBO figures I saw had the deficit completely eliminated by 2011, so cutting it in half by 2009 seems to make sense in that context.

    Dave

  • http://www.markiscranky.org Mark Saleski

    my question was for dave. where did the personal income figures come from?

  • gonzo marx

    to comment #11…read the linked Article…it explain it far better than i possibly can

    i know you are not familiar, personally, with the tech sector…i have been working in it for quite soe time now, and allow me to suggest you have no clue as to the Reality of the situation

    case in point…3.2% cost of living raise – 8% increase in halth benefit costs+normal tax increases+real cost of living+gas/fuel prices(and the added cost increases of EVERTHING that ships by truck)= net is MUCH lower than last year

    nuff said?

    Excelsior!

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    where did you find the personal income data? i heard/read yesterday that it had not kept up with inflation for 2005. (and i’ll be damned where i heard or read it)

    It’s from the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The figure I cited was for the period from the third quarter of 2004 to the third quarter of 2005. I’ve now found a new link with data for the fourth quarter which shows a total personal income growth for 2005 of 5.4%, slightly less good than my original calculation, but still substantially more than inflation. The portion of that personal income growth from wages salaries and bonuses increased by 6.4% over the course of the year.

    And Gonzo, Lou Dobbs is a nutcase and hardly an exemplary journalist. He’s a one-issue crank who completely ignores the overwhelming evidence that contradicts his bizarre fixation on outsourcing jobs – a process which has been definitively proven to increase employmnet and create new jobs at higher wages in most companies where it is practiced.

    Dave

  • gonzo marx

    and the final paragraph of comment #14 shows the dichotomy i am speaking about, folks

    i have no doubt Mr Nalle believes in his positions

    i just disagree

    and i would say anyone interested in the economic figures check the link i provided and do the math for yourself

    to me, the Logic is unassailable, and the mathematics accurate

    your mileage may vary

    Excelsior!

  • Stephen

    When they come for me how do you think they will do it, set-me-up with some sort of criminal thing or will I just disappear, I live in Cleveland maybe they will take me for a helicopter ride over Lake Erie, what to do what to do????

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    i know you are not familiar, personally, with the tech sector…i have been working in it for quite soe time now, and allow me to suggest you have no clue as to the Reality of the situation

    And you know this because? My wife works in the tech sector as do almost all of my friends, not to mention almost all of my business customers.

    case in point…3.2% cost of living raise – 8% increase in halth benefit costs+normal tax increases+real cost of living+gas/fuel prices(and the added cost increases of EVERTHING that ships by truck)= net is MUCH lower than last year

    Not according to the BEA. Even taking all of that into consideration real savable excess income increased by 1.4% last year. That’s less than the last couple of years, but still an increase. The fact that it IS lower represents the factors you mention.

    I was also able to find data specific for tech jobs for 2004, in which year tech manufacturing wages increased by 5% and tech services wages increased by 7%.

    The truth is that even when income goes up everyone tends to THINK they’re losing ground, whether it’s true or not.

    Stop drinking the Dobbs Paranoia Juice and look up some of this data for yourself.

    Dave

  • gonzo marx

    i drink of no one’s “juice” …and i HAVE not only looked this shit up myself..i live it

    perhaps in Texas, and other parts of the nation this is different…but in the northeast everything i have stated has been born out time and again

    we disagree…fair enough

    i linked to my numbers..i am interested in looking over the source of yours

    i’ve even done some comparison stuff for keeping in the $25-100k brackett…and the over 100k brackett

    initial results tend to show the jumps are in the over 100k, and they could be what is skewing the numbers towards what you suggest

    if i can nail donw solid data, i will post it…but it isn’t irrefutable yet

    but i DO stand by what is in the Article i linked to, and defy anyone to take those numbers, their sources and conclusions, and find flaw

    i tried…

    but i do tend to think that a lot of the difference here revolves around the very Real variations in Viewpoint between someone who got to attend top flight private schools and make their own Way versus someone who has been working and supporting himself since he was 13…

    just my one sixth billionths of the World’s Opinion…

    your mileage may vary

    Excelsior!

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    i have no doubt Mr Nalle believes in his positions

    i just disagree

    Yes, but my position is supported by objective economic facts, while yours comes solely from the suspect opinion of one journalist.

    and i would say anyone interested in the economic figures check the link i provided and do the math for yourself

    And check out my link as well, where the facts are laid out quite clearly.

    to me, the Logic is unassailable, and the mathematics accurate

    And largely irrelevant to any real issue for American workers and consumers.

    The entire issue of trade imbalance is ludicrous when you’re talking about the specific welfare of working Americans. Imports generate jobs. Exports generate jobs. People earn good salaries manufacturing tech and other industrial products. They earn even BETTER salaries servicing, supporting and operating imported technology. And increasingly the really good salaries in the US are in information management type jobs, which are almost impossible to represent in the whole balance of trade paradigm and are a rapidly growing part of our economy.

    Dave

  • gonzo marx

    to comment #19

    and there we see another facet of the difference…your assertation that these mysterious high paying jobs are all over th place is NOT born out by the Objective Facts i have come across, not the governmental statistics cited by Dobbs on numerous occasions

    however, you also tend to neglect the Facts from even our own manufaturers..such as Boeing…who show how much of the high tech part for air craft are no longer built in the states, but in China

    so those well paying jobs are lost

    not only does this decrease the worker base..those jobs are NOT beng re-created in kind…but it does leave us with a MAJOR security hole

    since Boeing IS a major defense contractor…who will build these parts if there IS some conflict which disrupts shipping if nothing else?

    some think it’s ok to send jobs out of the country, and drive labor prices down with illegal alien workers…

    others think we should be bolstering our economic strength by inproving the labor market here, and not paying corporations, via tax breaks, to ship our jobs out of the country

    that’s stuff for each and every opne of us to think about…learn about..and decide

    me?..i’m for buy American, keep US folks employed at the best wages in the world

    but i’m silly like that

    Excelsior!

  • http://www.markiscranky.org Mark Saleski

    hmmm.

    well, here’s a link to a business week article that has numbers nowhere near what you’ve quoted.

    managers/professionals up 3.2/2.4 percent vs. the 3.5% cpi increase.

    these numbers are supported by this bureau of labor statics chart.

  • gonzo marx

    excellent stuff there Mark!

    thanks for the linkage, which directly refutes many of the claims made, and gives the underlying breakdowns and some good explainations

    that’s the economy stuff…

    now, howabout those wiretaps?

    heh

    Excelsior!

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    i drink of no one’s “juice” …and i HAVE not only looked this shit up myself..i live it

    According to the Maine Dept of Labor you work in the second highest paid industry in the state with an average salary of right around $47,000 a year. So you ought to be living pretty decently.

    perhaps in Texas, and other parts of the nation this is different…but in the northeast everything i have stated has been born out time and again

    Actually, the historic trends show that Maine as a state does considerably better than most other parts of New England as far as availability of jobs and salaries paid. State unemployment is as low as it is in Texas, and wages are actually higher.

    i linked to my numbers..i am interested in looking over the source of yours

    I posted the link.

    i’ve even done some comparison stuff for keeping in the $25-100k brackett…and the over 100k brackett

    initial results tend to show the jumps are in the over 100k, and they could be what is skewing the numbers towards what you suggest

    In the tech industries the over 100K range is a very, very large portion of the total workforce compared to other industries. It’s not just management and corporate admin.

    but i do tend to think that a lot of the difference here revolves around the very Real variations in Viewpoint between someone who got to attend top flight private schools and make their own Way versus someone who has been working and supporting himself since he was 13…

    I had a job starting when I was 13 too, Gonzo. I earned $2.25 an hour answering phones. I didn’t have to support myself on it, but then neither do the overwhelming majority of 13 year olds. But very few of them have even part time jobs at that age. If you had to fully support yourself at that age you’re in a very small and exclusive club, even more unusual than those who attended good private schools. You sound a bit like my wife, who supported herself from the age of 16 working in accounting and then in database management and eventually programming and system administration. No private schools, dropped out of college after one semester, yet she has a much more positive attitude than you do.

    Dave

  • http://www.markiscranky.org Mark Saleski

    woah, it’s gettin’ smug in here.

  • gonzo marx

    comment #23 sez…
    *According to the Maine Dept of Labor you work in the second highest paid industry in the state with an average salary of right around $47,000 a year.*

    well..there’s a lie right there…off by about 25%

    and all the techs here earn the same salary…in our industry as well as things like TV repair, there is a HUGE split between what is charged for the labor, by the hour…and what is paid to the tech

    hence some of the problems with the numbers you are looking at

    not many techs at my level in all of maine, i can honestly say i personally know most of them outside of Portland…

    the only ones makin ghte kind of money you are talking about, own their business

    as for the rest…i ain’t bitching about my past…and note i totally give credit to your working yourself to where you are

    i was just showing the difference, and how that can change a Viewpoint…
    \
    you see, simplicity itself for me to adapt to a world better than mine, very difficult for the reverse…

    but i digress

    Excelsior!

  • http://www.markiscranky.org Mark Saleski

    so, seriously, what about those numbers i found? and why the big gap between them and what dave found?

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Mark, my data was from the BEA, not the BLS. My original number which was substantially higher than the CPI was a figure for total income, not just wages. Investment income and non-salary benefits have been strong in the last year. My figures were also not broken down by job type the way yours are. The percentage you quote is only for administrative/management jobs, not employment as a whole.

    Dave

  • gonzo marx

    comment #27 sez…
    *Investment income and non-salary benefits have been strong in the last year.*

    and if you look at the Article Mark linked to, you will see this

    and there you have the dichotomy folks

    you add “investment income” and you skew the numbers

    we are talking about the WAGES of folks who are Working…

    not that Investing et al is not important, but it has NOTHING to do with workers wages

    and THAT is how you skew math to make shit look rosy

    Excelsior!

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    comment #23 sez…
    *According to the Maine Dept of Labor you work in the second highest paid industry in the state with an average salary of right around $47,000 a year.*

    well..there’s a lie right there…off by about 25%

    I’m sorry, you’re saying that the Maine Department of Labor is lying about salaries in the state? Come again? From what I can tell this data is just gathered from employers. I can’t see any reason to doubt its accuracy.

    and all the techs here earn the same salary…in our industry as well as things like TV repair, there is a HUGE split between what is charged for the labor, by the hour…and what is paid to the tech

    Which has no impact on the figures I quoted, which are for salary not the amount spent by employers on salaries.

    not many techs at my level in all of maine, i can honestly say i personally know most of them outside of Portland…

    the only ones makin ghte kind of money you are talking about, own their business

    The figures from the Maine Dept. of Labor or the BLS or the BEA are necessarily broader than your specific area of expertise.

    i was just showing the difference, and how that can change a Viewpoint…

    Viewpoint is the problem with your whole approach here. You can’t extrapolate from your personal experience or your highly specialized tech job to all the tech jobs or all the workers in all the areas of employment in your state or in the nation as a whole. Your experience and my experience are completely irrelevant. We may have completely aberrant personal circumstances which go against all the trends. You have to go with what’s in the government and industry surveys if you want to talk in general terms about anyone other than yourself and the people you know personally.

    Dave

  • gonzo marx

    no…the problem is tha YOU don’t take into account all the pertinent Variables..

    for the sake of our example here

    those Maine stats include the VASt majority of tech types that live in York county (south of Portland) yet who WORK in NH or Mass..where wages are MUCH higher

    since they live in Maine, they pay their taxes here, and skew the Equation in a huge manner

    now., someone here knows that …those that just look at charts…no matter how bright, does not

    this is EXACTLY the type of thing i am trying to discuss here…the sry numbers can be played with in many ways, but do not neccesarily represent the Actuality

    they do great for Indications, but not completely for description

    Excelsior!

  • http://www.markiscranky.org Mark Saleski

    hmmm, well all i know is that if you look out there, an awful lot of publications are using the numbers in the 3.2 range.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Gonzo, I never represented my figures as anything other than personal income. However, the same tables provide figures for wages without benefits or other sources of income. And as I pointed out, wages and salaries taken by themselves on a nationwide basis were up by 6% in 2005.

    I think I know what part of the discrepancy is, though. The BEA figures are for the overall increase in wages, not for the increase in individual wages, so they need to be adjusted by the number of new people entering the work force. But the work force only expanded by about 1.1% in 20005, so that’s not going to knock the individual wages down as low as Mark’s figure.

    The other factor is that Mark is quoting a figure for just one particular type of job and it’s about the bottom of the barrel as far as growth according to that same BusinessWeek source, which shows other tech jobs growing at rates double or even triple the management jobs.

    Dave

  • Shark

    Nalle, you look tres fab in that short little skirt, that tight sweater, and carring those red-white & blue pom-poms!

    Come sit on Shark’s lap and say, “Ready… OKAY!”

    PS: Gonzo – Anyone who isn’t afraid just ain’t payin’ attention.

    PPS: luv ya, mean it!
    S

    PPPS: Hitting the numbers – numbing the hitters = BEST LINE OF 2006 on Blogcritics. Way ta go!

  • http://www.markiscranky.org Mark Saleski

    well, this release from the bls states that the number is 3.1

    who the hell knows, i guess everybody is spinning.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Mark, read that relase carefully. That 3.1% number is AFTER adjusting from gross earnings and taking the CPI into consideration. So that works. It’s my number minus the CPI which produces that 3.1% number, which is how much of an increase in income people had nationwide after figuring in the increase in expenses.

    Dave

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Oh, and I don’t think anyone here is spinning except maybe Shark who’s chasing his tail. Gonzo isn’t even spinning, he’s just obsessed with his personal job situation as a microcosm for the whole world.

    Dave

  • http://www.markiscranky.org Mark Saleski

    it says: “Average weekly earnings rose by 3.1 percent, seasonally adjusted, from December 2004 to December 2005. After deflation by the CPI-W, average weekly earnings decreased by 0.4 percent.”

    sorry, but that’s not what you’re saying.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Hmm I misread it then. That being the case I have no idea why the BEA and BLS figures are so radically different. The BEA does have a figure for what they call ‘real disposable personal income’, which is after adjusting for personal expenses, inflation and the like, and that increased by 1.4% in 2005. Maybe if you then adjust that for the 1.1% increase in the total number of workers you might get close to the BLS final figure, though it looks to me like you still end up with individual disposble income growth of more than 1%. And BTW, 2005 was a bad year in this area. 2004 was much stronger in the BEA figures.

    Dave

  • gonzo marx

    obsessed?

    ummm…nope

    nice try at dismissal tho…and here i had thought we were making progress…

    i was using my personal info as a mere example that i coudl speak knowledgably about

    as opposed to from behind the gates of a personal compound…

    see?…anyone can snark

    deal with the Issues

    Excelsior!

  • http://www.morethings.com/log Al Barger

    Brother Gonzo, I’m glad to see you at least concretizing your thoughts into an actual essay. It’s nice to get some entertaining gonzo schtick a goin’, but there’s no there there. Simply that you’re ranting on about the apocalypse being upon us doesn’t mean that it is.

    “more bullshit from the NeoCon Agenda as to why we are working on Empire America” We can’t run a country based on dumb statements like this. It’s not an argument, but mere cursing. It takes more than curses and cheap labels like “NeoCon Agenda” to run a country.

    You’re not making any real arguments at all. At best, a couple of places here you’ve strung together a few abstract words that are supposed to SOUND like they mean something, but really don’t at all. Stuff like, “accelerating the selling out of America via their Corporate and Lobbyist Masters , bit by bit…for Chinese and Indian money to line CEO’s pockets while tossing aside American Workers” You might as well be puppet Tim Robbins in Team America carrying on about the big corporations acting “all corporation-y.”

    About the most thing of substance is that you’re legitimately pointing out the ridiculous lack of fiduciary responsibility by the Republicans. Fair enough.

    But mostly this is just silly shit, like “Liberty: Born July 4th, 1776 – Died January 31st 2006.” Riiight. Totally baseless hysterics like this are unbecoming a woman, but REALLY looks foolish coming from a grown man. Seriously, if my teenaged niece came talking this squirrelly, she’d be asking for correction by ridicule. Do you think this is any kind of manly?

    I don’t have any strong opinion about Alito one way or another, but there’s certainly absolutely NOTHING in his record to be the basis of such a statement, other than that he was appointed by George Bush. OH MY GOD! BUSH HAS APPOINTED A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE! IT’S THE END OF THE WORLD! OH MOMMY, COME SAVE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Two points for succintness to the dreaded Dave Nalle for “trade deficit: A nonexistent fictional construct” That breaks it down perfectly.

    These trade deficit numbers are right nigh meaningless. For starters, “we” do not trade with “them.” I trade with Wal Mart which buys from a supplier in Missouri who imports some of their parts from a company in China that buys stuff from India to turn into stuff that they sell in Italy.

    There are times when an US vs them frame is necessary and appropriate, such as when some self-defined “they” are trying to directly come kill US because we are US. But trade issues like this are a perfect example of the kind of situation where the US vs them mentality is just not really logically applicable, and can only be highly detrimental to our interests.

    Key point about trade deficits: We spend more money with other countries because we continually CREATE and GENERATE more wealth. All this trade deficit nonsense is built on the false premise of a zero sum game. We spend more money because we MAKE more money in the first place.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Tying in my recent reading at the BEA with what Al brought back up about the trade deficit, I noticed that manufacturing jobs have dropped to less than a 5th of our total economic output. So since they are our main source of exports, it’s actually kind of miraculous that our trade deficit isn’t even larger than it is. It means that what we DO make we sell overseas very successfully, but as I’ve said before we’re still a consumer driven economy as we have been since the colonial era.

    And Gonzo, do you EVER see me extrapolating from my life circumstances to draw general conclusions? Or even using myself as an example? I don’t because I know I’m not normal. Maybe you ought to come to grips with the fact that you aren’t the ‘typical’ American worker either.

    Dave

  • http://www.markiscranky.org Mark Saleski

    Totally baseless hysterics like this are unbecoming a woman, but REALLY looks foolish coming from a grown man.

    brilliant.

    just brilliant.

  • gonzo marx

    comment #41 sez…
    *And Gonzo, do you EVER see me extrapolating from my life circumstances to draw general conclusions? Or even using myself as an example? I don’t because I know I’m not normal.*

    Quoted for Truth…

    and point taken…i am fairly certain you will have noticed that up until this Article..i had not done so either…rather careful about that

    here, as i stated above, i was utilizing such examples to make a Point…that real world conditions are not always accurately represented in sanitized charts and numbers

    i think i have made that Point decently enough…and yours is taken, where it concerns exposing my own info…unless of course i feel like it

    but i’m silly like that

    big Al…i ain’t forgotten you …am just at work, and your detailed Comment deserves a good Response, which will be forthcoming, after i get off from work…

    meanwhile…it seems ya missed… this

    two essays in a week….can the World handle the strain?…i know yer dilithium “crystals” probably can’t

    but i digress…

    Excelsior!

  • http://www.landofthefreehomeofthebrave.org/wp/ Margaret Romao Toigo

    That “privacy shyte” has a lot of people concerned, which could partly explain why the primary focus of this thread has been economics when, if you look at the beast as a whole, our economy is generally stable.

    I’m one of those annoying optimists and, as such, I have faith in my fellow Americans’ ability to see through fear mongering, false dichotomies and other dubious rhetoric of politicians who keep their own best interests in mind.

    The signs of this “awakening” — or whatever you may wish to call it — have become increasingly apparent since the Terry Schiavo misadventure in which the alleged conservativism of the American people was grossly overestimated and lead to political embarrassment for those who thought they were so “in touch” with mainstream Americans.

    One badly-handled hurricane aftermath later, our press began to shake off its post-9/11 timidity and started asking real questions again, which was a Good Thing because there are now plenty of real questions to ask about the “Culture of Corruption” that seems to have permeated our government.

    And let’s not forget that still-brewing FISA-warrantless NSA domestic spying scandal. That one’s not going to go away, no matter how much sanctimonious posturing is applied in speeches and spin.

    November is still a long way off, but consider that all of Congress and one-third of the Senate are up for re-election and some Republican incumbents are already getting nervous and attempting to distance themselves from the administration. Some of them are even starting to feel the heat from Democratic contenders for their seats.

    If this trend continues, we are likely going to see a Democratic majority elected to the Congress and if that happens…

  • gonzo marx

    ok..home now, time fer big Al!

    Al sez…
    *We spend more money with other countries because we continually CREATE and GENERATE more wealth. All this trade deficit nonsense is built on the false premise of a zero sum game.*

    well Al..let me put it to you, that even in a fiat economy(where there is no base standard,the government just prints what they want) that UNLESS the government just starts printing paper and allowing Inflation to run rampant, that it IS a “zero-sum game”

    this mean, that for every dollar made, someone had to spend it

    can we agree there?

    now, my Concern…which i imply, but don’t come right out and say in my Post…is that i agree with Mr Nalle…we ARE a consumer driven Economy, and my worry is that with the middle class stagnating at best, shrinking at worst, there will be LESS spending as soon as folks hit their credit limit and can’t borrow any more cash

    what happens to the economy then?

    don’t think that can happen? ask around, check the numbers on just how much Debt americans are carrying and compare that to the less than 1% that they are saving

    yer a bright guy Al..do the math

    the same holds for our Government…for the last 5 years, we have been maxxing our nation’s “credit cards”…and throwing the cash around for pork at the same time we have cut taxes(not a bad thing in itself) which shrinks the incoming revenue flow

    how long can that go on? for as long as foreign countries continue to buy the Debt, which is avbout 10 minutes longer than we continue to pay out the HUGE Interest on said Debt

    there’s that one…

    i can see form your take on it, that no amount of discussion is going to convince you that deficits in trade are bad…i will instead point to the shit i just typed and say..”figger it out yerself”

    as for my “silly shit”..well yes, Al..it IS silly, deliberately so…

    i am NOT any kind of “journalist”…instead i like to use the wrist rocket of Wit to fire an acorn of Truth at yer Funnybone in the hopes that it will sink into the fertile soil of yer Mind and sprout the blooming Flower of new Thought….

    anyone who just got a Pythonesque visual of big Al’s head sprouting a petunia treat yerself to a cookie…

    the NeoCon Agenda…you are SO quick to toss it aside, that i guess you have either
    a)gone over to the Dark Side
    or
    b) remain woefully unInformed about it…

    but i digress…

    try this for the wikipedia description

    or this linkage for their very own website, scope the “statement of principles” carefully…then scroll down and see who signed off on it in ’97

    scared yet?

    what is brought out here is that these folks…who include Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle and Scooter Libby…want to expand American influence via military operations (among other tactics)…and there are bits written among the site that pray for “a new Pearl Harbor” to spur the Nation into that course of action

    from my reckoning, almost HALF of the State of the Union speech dealt with EXACTLY that set of proposals

    an dthat is why, instead of staying in Afghanistan and capturing bin Laden, our Resources and military were shifted to the “soft target” of Iraq, which they thought woudl be a cakewalk to take (it was) and simple to hold and build bases for further expansion (nothing turned out to be further from the Fact there)

    now..not only does all THAT bother the shit out of me, but it leads me to the last bit…

    Alito and SCOTUS…check Alito’s writings and you will find he is a firm advocate for Executive Power ..THIS is a MAJOR concern when you remember the nasty bits from the Pres about the “wiretapping” business…and how the Pres doesn’t think he has to submit to either Judicial Review (the FISA court and Laws) or Congressional Oversight

    so when i say “Emperor Shrub” i’m only half joking

    notice i put that shit under “Fear” ..implying that it MAY be a concern down the road…rather than the “Loathing” stuff which is shit that has already been pulled, or is currently in the works

    Margaret in #44 covers a lot of this MUCH better than i ever could…and Bog knows the last thing i want to do is go and deconstruct my Post line by line to hold yer hand and spoon feed it to you

    if you got a moments Entertainment out of my Post…then i am way happy…if it made you Think…even for a second…

    then i count it a win

    nuff said?

    Excelsior!

  • gonzo marx

    dreck and feh…

    news today…after all that the Shrub talked about concerning healthcare and education…he turned around and signed a Bill today that CUTS student loans and Medicare/Medicaid…

    check yer favorite news source…

    but i would suggest you do so on an empty stomache

    Excelsior!

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    This isn’t news, Gonzo. It was part of the budget deal and one of the ways that he’s trying to reduce the deficit. It passed congress like 2 weeks ago.

    And BTW, the cuts in student loans are tiny and the cuts in healthcare are meaningless since in the next session they’re likely going to totally redo Medicaire/Medicaid yet again.

    Dave

  • gonzo marx

    for comment #47

    you call this shit meaningless…and i call it hypocrisy and lies

    it just goes to show the Administration, like most politicians from EITHER side, can’t be trusted about anything that comes out of their mouths

    i called it “news” because the Vote was so close, and it’s going on now (it’s expected that Cheney will need to break the tie, and in Congress it was within a handful of votes)

    this goes to show how controversial this kind of shit is

    and helps point out the sheer hypocrisy of saying you are trying to help education and healthcare…but you shave a tiny bit off the deficit by cutting it…bad mojo both ways

    it don’t really cut into the deficit, and it actively hurts students and folks that need the healthcare

    fucking brilliant…IMO

    Excelsior!

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    for comment #47

    you call this shit meaningless…and i call it hypocrisy and lies

    It’s both, IMO. If you depend on the government for ANYTHING you’re a fool and get what you deserve.

    and helps point out the sheer hypocrisy of saying you are trying to help education and healthcare…but you shave a tiny bit off the deficit by cutting it…bad mojo both ways

    it don’t really cut into the deficit, and it actively hurts students and folks that need the healthcare

    The student loan programs are largely responsible for the rise in tuitions at all kinds of universities. We might be better off if they were cut back radically. As for the healthcare – see above. Anyone who depends on government to take care of needs like that is fucked from the get-go and if this helps drive that home to a few more of them, then that’s good.

    Dave

  • gonzo marx

    so we can wipe out all the corporate welfare and “tax incentives” too?

    i could go for that

    Excelsior!

  • http://elvirablack.blogspot.com Elvira Black

    “As for the healthcare – see above. Anyone who depends on government to take care of needs like that is fucked from the get-go and if this helps drive that home to a few more of them, then that’s good.”

    Double oy vey.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    You already know my position on that, Gonzo. Corporate welfare such as it is should be eliminated – much of it already has been, but it should all go. As for tax incentives, I’m divided.

    I don’t like them, but I think they really may be the only way to achieve some necessary objectives. When the choice is between offering a tax break and trying to regulatorily impose behavior on a company I tend to come down on the side of using the financial incentive.

    The current issue of alternative fuels is a good example. I don’t think it will work to tell Shell or Chevron to just sell ethanol and biodiesel or we’ll fine you. But giving them some sort of a tax break or other government incentive might do the job. On the other hand, something really draconian like limiting the number of stations they could operate in a given area without carrying alternative fuels might also do the job.

    Dave

  • http://www.morethings.com/log Al Barger

    El Gonzo Marximus, your comment 45 looks to me like somewhat more significantly serious argument. When you start parsing it out a little more like that, it’s much easier to actually make some sense of.

    Now you’re pretty much right that you’re very unlikely to convince me that these fictional aggregate trade deficits are a bad thing. You’re just looking at the paper, not what it represents. All the creation of wealth day after day, making better products streamlining and making businesses more efficient- the paper is just markers for keeping track of that, and they can trade around and around and sideways and backwards. But the bottom line is that we are generating more wealth than other countries- not just printing up more paper symbols. That’s what’s important.

    However, I’m perfectly willing to MORE than go along with you about the evils and dangers of government budget deficits. THAT is reality. THIS institution is taking in X dollars, and spending 2X. And government does not create wealth, so it’s not an “investment” when we give them money- it’s just flat being spent and it’s gone.

    That nonsense may well come back to bite us in the ass- and I’m sure you’d agree with me that the damned Republicans are at this historical moment at LEAST as bad as Democrats ever dreamt of.

    I too have some concerns about civil liberties issues, and I oppose the Patriot Act. But the sky just isn’t falling. It’s not fascism or Nazism. It’s just somewhat heavyhanded, and potentially dangerous.

    As to Alito being deferential to executive power, we’ll just have to see how that plays out. To a large extent, I’m for that. There’s a point for the SCOTUS to just say no, but it is better under observing the terms of our national charter AND less dangerous to mostly give the elected and accountable executive and legislative branches most of the decision making power.

    Specifically, the current wiretapping controversy concerns me somewhat, but it’s being blown WAY out of proportion. People getting calls from known Al Qaeda operatives SHOULD be getting listened in on. I just think we need to be more careful about crossing the “T”s and dotting the “I”s. I see no good reason why they can’t run stuff by a judge, even a few days after the fact if there’s that big a time factor.

    Nothing that I’m hearing about the actual practice of this so far is egregious or fascist or any of that, just perhaps a bit arrogant and heavy handed.

    As to cutting corporate welfare and tax incentives, I could certainly support that. And you KNOW that I’d be pretty hardcore about what things I’d be willing to axe.

    Also, I’m pretty skeptical of tax incentives. That’s just more government meddling and presumption to make decisions that are not in their proper authority and that they have not the knowledge to make.

    So, to make it fair and simple, let’s cut the bejesus out of the federal spending- especially any kind of not absolutely necessary money handed to any kind of business- and eliminate the income tax entirely. That’d be clean, and fair, and get away from arbitrary and counterproductive government manipulation of economic incentives.

  • gonzo marx

    well, now we are makign some headway…sorry if my entertainment ramblings got you all confused…

    but it did get ya thinking…

    it seems the main point of disagreement is around these privacy Issues…the wiretaps and such

    you don’t see them as more than some “heavy handedness”…me i spot a dangerous warning sign

    the Administration’s insistence that they don’t have to take things to the Judiciary or submit to congessional oversight makes the Fear rise up like bile in the back of my throat…

    coupled with their adding two Justices to SCOTUS, and i think …”Houston…we have a problem”

    could just be me…and JuJu knows i hope i’m wrong

    but see the paragraph before the Weatherman quote in the original Post…

    nuff said?

    Excelsior!

  • Shark

    Barger: “…But the sky just isn’t falling. …It’s just somewhat heavyhanded, and potentially dangerous.”

    Shark flashes on 1933, the German industrialists saying:

    “Don’t worry; we can control this Hitler character…”

    =======

    PS: Barger, whenever you want to denigrate someone, you call them a “woman”.

    Please explain the origins of your lowly opinion of females and/or your misogyny.

    Thanks in advance,
    S

  • Shark

    NOTE: no need to really, Al, I was being ironic.

    (see #33!)

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Ironic? Is that the code word they’re using for ‘paranoid’ in your group sessions now, Shark?

    dave

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    Good for you, Shark. It’s so refreshing to see someone not resorting to calling guys you disagree with a woman. Not even in this thread. Not even in comment No. 33. Way to go!

  • http://parodieslost.typepad.com Mark Schannon

    Gonzo, sorry to be so late joining the party. Great to see you posting. Your delerious and delicious rants carry more substance than all the arrogant pontification and number crunching of your jealous critics.

    While I have much affection for the libertarian cause, I have much more fear, nay, terror about the current administration’s abuse of power and total neglect of those truly in need.

    Dave–cuts in medicare and medicaid meaningless? Congress may screw up these moronic programs even more, but real people–poor people, whom it’s obvious don’t belong in your world–are going to be denied drugs coverage. Do you have any idea how much a monthly supply of a low dose of medicine to control high cholesterol is? Try $175. Asthma medicine, low dose: $250.

    But, we can argue all day and night about COL vs. rise in wages last year, but over the long term, the lower and middle classes are seeing their buying power head only one direction–towards hell & damnation.

    But Sir Gonzo is right, the most terrifying part is that so many Americans are just sitting arounds sniffing their asses while the Bush Bubble Machine tears apart the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Instead of “Give me liberty or give me death,” our national slogan seems to be “Give me a new BMW or a Mercedes.”

    and that’s the truth

    In Jamesons Veritas

  • gonzo marx

    well now Mark me boyo…

    glad t’see ya made it…and even more so that ya had a smile at my bit of silliness

    we will see what happens down the road

    this summer should be some Fun…between Abramoff and FISA…

    i am a bit pissed that the Libby trial was put off till after January…now we see that Obstruction of Justice works for those wanting to obstruct

    more’s the pity

    and woe is U.S.

    Excelsior?

  • http://parodieslost.typepad.com Mark Schannon

    Woe is right. I don’t think Mr. Nalle and company realize the depths to which this country has sunk. The wierd thing is that the very things the neocons are wringing their hands about–loss of values, immorality(not sexual of course), lack of community and civility, the dying American dream–are exactly what we libs are worrying about.

    It’s just that we cast blame in different directions and find solutions that horrify the other side. Your “maybe” or my “dialectic’ could do so much to heal the wounds–but it’ll never happen as long as “you know who” lives “you know where.”

    In Jamesons Veritas

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    Dave–cuts in medicare and medicaid meaningless?

    The sentence had TWO clauses. Did you not bother to read the second one? They’re meaningless not because I don’t care about those on these programs, but because they are obviously going to have to completely redo the legislation from the ground up in the next session.

    Congress may screw up these moronic programs even more, but real people–poor people, whom it’s obvious don’t belong in your world–are going to be denied drugs coverage. Do you have any idea how much a monthly supply of a low dose of medicine to control high cholesterol is? Try $175. Asthma medicine, low dose: $250.

    Mark, my daughter is on two asthma medications and TOGETHER they cost less than $200 a month if I buy them at full price. With insurance they’re $60 a month.

    But, we can argue all day and night about COL vs. rise in wages last year, but over the long term, the lower and middle classes are seeing their buying power head only one direction–towards hell & damnation.

    There just isn’t any evidence to support this assertion. It’s a scaremongering tactic of the left to promote this idea without factual support to do political damage. Pretty reprehensible since it fucks with peoples lives.

    Woe is right. I don’t think Mr. Nalle and company realize the depths to which this country has sunk. The wierd thing is that the very things the neocons are wringing their hands about–loss of values, immorality(not sexual of course), lack of community and civility, the dying American dream–are exactly what we libs are worrying about.

    Well, those things are exactly NOT what I’m worrying about. You can be as moral, as full of values and as civil and community oriented as you like, but if government takes your money at gunpoint for services you don’t want or need and forces your children to be dumber with each generation, you’re solidly fucked. How about some concern over the immorality of rapacious bureaucracy and property, rights and money grabbing government?

    Dave

  • Bliffle

    “It’s both, IMO. If you depend on the government for ANYTHING you’re a fool and get what you deserve.”

    Sounds like an excuse for the government to renege it’s obligations.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    No, Bliffle it’s an explanation of why we all need to take responsibility for our own lives.

    Dave

  • gonzo marx

    so breaking a Promise and reneging on a Promissory Note is ok?

    especially AFTER one side HAS lived up to the Obligations outlined in the Social Contract?

    bullshit

    how about we hold the miserable bastards Accountable?

    how about we START by getting rid of ALL the fuckling pork before we cut Benefits to Citizens…

    how about legal entities and Lobbyists take a back seat to Citizens?

    then, perhaps we will have a good place to start

    Excelsior?

  • http://parodieslost.typepad.com Mark Schannon

    Dave, I did read both clauses…you just have more faith in Bush & his republican cronies than I. If you think they’re going to restore programs to people who truly need them…well, share whatever it is your smoking or drinking–not fair to hog it all.

    Adavair is an asthma medicine wrongly prescribed to me by an idiot doctor–it was $250. I’m sure there are other, cheaper medicines. The fact is, for those without medical coverage or lousy coverage (such as moi), and with relatively normal age-related problems such as high blood pressure, reflux, cholesterol, asthma, medication can cost over $1,000/month. And that doesn’t account for the newly OTC drugs such as Prilosec. Ain’t a lot of folks who can afford that.

    As for the long-term economic problems of the lower and middle class, you’re right–I should have cited statistics, but I do resent being called “reprehensible.” I do not fling around made-up statistics simply for scare mongering, and you, of all people, should know that.

    …if government takes your money at gunpoint for services you don’t want or need and forces your children to be dumber with each generation, you’re solidly fucked. How about some concern over the immorality of rapacious bureaucracy and property, rights and money grabbing government? I’m as concerned about that as you, Dave. You don’t own the market on concerns about our over-reaching, quagmired, illogical government.

    However, until we’ve reached the mental, moral, and emotional state that your beloved libertarian utopia requires (and it’s one that I happen to think would be pretty cool), we’re going to have to have some government, some services we as individuals don’t need but society requires, and some intrusion. That’s life.

    In Jamesons Veritas

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    so breaking a Promise and reneging on a Promissory Note is ok?

    Promises are meaningless in the context of politics.

    especially AFTER one side HAS lived up to the Obligations outlined in the Social Contract?

    Say what? Who are you saying has lived up to their side of the social contract? Certianly not the poor who choose not to vote and choose not to support themselves as productive citizens.

    how about we hold the miserable bastards Accountable?

    Sure. You just need to figure out WHAT you’re going to hold them accountable for. Show me some genuine harm.

    how about we START by getting rid of ALL the fuckling pork before we cut Benefits to Citizens…

    I’m all for cutting the pork, but these ‘benefits’ are not an entitlement, they’re a handout and they are not necessarily what government should be using its resources for.

    how about legal entities and Lobbyists take a back seat to Citizens?

    As I’ve explained to you before, ‘legal entities’ are made up of citizens. If you disenfranchise them you disenfranchise the citizens they represent within the context of their activities.

    Dave

  • gonzo marx

    Mr Nalle sez…
    *Promises are meaningless in the context of politics.*

    so then…all the Bush promises are meaningless…such as their rpomising to “doeverything” to find bin Laden, their assertation that they are acting properly bypassing FISA…

    on and on

    well now at least we have some Agreement

    Excelsior!

  • http://www.templestark.com Temple Stark

    Girfriend’s 3.5 emergency room visit for very sore chest, symptoms of heart attack -$2,500.

    No heart attack – until the bill came.

    Uninsured as job she’s at doesn’t offer it.

    She makes just enough – about $15,000 to not qualify for medical assistance. She applied twice,

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    I don’t mean to be unsympathetic, but the fact that her job doesn’t offer insurance doesn’t mean that she can’t get it on her own. Even with a relatively low income she ought to be able to afford enough insurance to reduce the impact of a major emergency room visit.

    As for the bill she faces, there are charities which might help out. You can also try negotiating with the hospital and they will almost certainly be open to working out a payment plan if nothing else.

    Dave

  • gonzo marx

    interesting factoid…the types of “coverage” listed in Mr Nalle’s piece on this Issue shows that the $2500 falls well under the $5000 dollar deductible

    and so on

    nice try at the shell game, but if folks wanted to just hand over money they don’t have for “services” they will never collect on, they might as well play the lottery

    better odds of “winning” there than against the actuarial tables

    just a Thought

    Excelsior!

  • http://theugliestamerican.blogspot.com andy marsh

    2 dodgeball references in one article??? well…maybe one and a half…all those “D’s” and not one of them dodge, duck, dive, dip or dodge!

    Do you really think Alito is that bad? His first decision was with the liberal side of the court…I don’t think we ever really know how these guys are gonna be until they get there.

  • troll

    *too disgusted to go on…the Jeffersonian Option is drawing closer, the next Installment may just be “This, I Believe”…and you, gentle Readers, will note i NEVER use the word “believe” about myself…*

    bloggers beware…this one is still on the books and goes to the ‘fear’ argument:

    If two or more persons in any state or territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down or to destroy by force the government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder or delay the execution of any law of the United States or by force to seize, take or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

    troll

  • http://alienboysworld.blogspot.com Christopher Rose

    gonzo, how about a holiday?

    Concerned of Brixton

  • Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Gonzo, I just ran into this piece. Damn, you should have been a poet.

    I know I’m only about four months late, but you did a bang up job on George bang bang Bush.

    Unfortunately (or fortunately,) I live in what is now a mere backwater turning into scum, waiting for the cleansing Waterfall of Redemption, and looking to change things a bit beforehand on my own.

    I know it don’t look like it, but we are pretty much on the same side, Gonzo.

    Kol hakavód l’khá, yashar kóaH – straight strength, all honor to you!

  • gonzo marx

    Christopher, Ruvy…my great Appreciation for your kind thoughts on this Piece…

    it’s basically a follow up to this that i should be doing next

    Ruvy…a poet?…moi?

    high praise indeed, and such i am woefully uWorthy of

    but if it give a smile, and makes one Think a second…then my Purpose is well served in the time spent pecking it out on the keyboard…

    Excelsior?

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    just a bit of some Updates here…NOT picking on anyone, but merely trying to show whose crystal ball has been closer to accurate…

    in Comment #47, the writer waxes Optimistic and sez…
    *And BTW, the cuts in student loans are tiny and the cuts in healthcare are meaningless since in the next session they’re likely going to totally redo Medicaire/Medicaid yet again.*

    here we are in the next session of Congress, and has our Government addressed these Issues, or ANY of the others that were raised in this Thread?

    ummmm….nope

    but we did get a week for a failed “marriage amendment” and this week was the failed “flag burning amendment”

    THAT is really showing how much the GOP majority and their Leadership cares about some Issues…their main concern remains getting re-elected rather than doing the Work of the People

    more and more the objective Public Record detailing the actions and non-actions of the greedy pigfuckers running our Government, and their Lobbyist Masters show the pure hypocrisy of the peurile words spewed from their hired talking heads and spin meisters

    every time you read/hear/examine ANY output from the WH or the rest of the GOP machine…compare it to the Facts at hand, observe which Stories get buried in the news cycle due to manipulation…count how many americans are called traitors or treasonous for disagreements with Admin Policy…then remember the Mantra of Rove…

    distract,distort,deny and destroy

    it’s a heartbreaking, but facinating little mental Game that anybody can play…

    Excelsior?

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer.php?name=gonzo%20marx gonzo marx

    and i just had to dredge this one up before the Election next week…

    take a moment, read it all

    then Compare it to what has happened over the course of this year

    note, even in my wildest rantings, i had NO idea such a piece of shit as the Military Commissions Act could have EVER been signed into Law in the U.S.

    and consider that with my pre-emptive Fear concerning the two appointments to SCOTUS

    far worse than just the FISA shit alone, and before any of the apologists start in on “it couldn’t happen to a citizen” let me lay a name on you to Google…

    Jose Padilla

    less than a week to go to see if some semblance of Sanity will stifle the decay with a healthy dose of sunshine and DC gridlock

    but i’m still stockpiling canned goods and shotguns

    Excelsior?