While Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry and his running mate, John Edwards, and their families were having a "lite" lunch at Wendy's in the Town of Newburgh Friday, drumming up local support right after the national convention in Boston, their real lunches were waiting on their bus.
A member of the Kerry advance team called Nikola's Restaurant at the Newburgh Yacht Club the night before and ordered 19 five-star lunches to go that would be picked up at noon Friday. Management at the restaurant, which is operated by CIA (ed - Culinary Institute of America) graduate chef Michael Dederick, was told the meals would be for the Kerry and Edwards families and actor Ben Affleck who was with them on the tour.
The gourmet meals to go included shrimp vindallo, grilled diver sea scallops, prosciutto, wrapped stuffed chicken, and steak salad. The meals came to about $200.
So the entire Wendy's stop was a charade, they actually had a catered meal on the bus from a yacht club.
30 -
boomcrashbaby
Aug 02, 2004 at 5:13 am
I wouldn't call it a charade, as much as a photo op. And everybody, including Bush has them. Perhaps if Kerry and Edwards landed on the roof of Wendys in a jet plane, and climbed down the wall in a flight suit, it wouldn't be quite the fried controversy it is being made out to be.
EWG said: "Teresa Heinz Kerry pointed at a picture of chili on the menu and asked the cashier what it was before ordering a bowl."
That's funny. I usually wait until after I get the bowl of "chili" from Wendy's to ask what it is. Oh, maybe Teresa is an alien. You better look into that.
EWG said: "So the entire Wendy's stop was a charade, they actually had a catered meal on the bus from a yacht club."
But prosciutto goes well with Wendy's chili. Doesn't everybody know that?
"Army pfc. Analaura Esparza Gutierrez, 21, of Houston, TX; assigned to A Company, 4th Forward Support Battalion, Ft. Hood; was killed while riding in a convoy that was hit by an improvised explosive device and rocket-propelled grenades on Oct. 1, 2003, in Tikrit."
Pfc. Gutierrez, who believed that actions speak louder than words, voluntarily enlisted in the military in 2002 so that she could eventually attend college. Her death ended this pretty 21-year old's dreams of getting married (she had received a marriage proposal from a fellow soldier only a few weeks prior to being killed) and of becoming a psychologist some day.
"She didn't deserve to die," Agustin Velazco Esparza said of his only child, urging president Bush to bring home other parents' children. "There are a lot of young people who are going to die as long as they're over there. She was the best daughter a father could have."
www.pigstye.net/iraq/article.php/20031008090225316
"Some gave all...all gave some" (VVA slogan)
- MCH, Vietnam era vet
34 -
MCH
Mar 03, 2005 at 12:48 pm
"...to listen to giant thalidomide baby Max Cleland tell it..."
- RJ (Bobby) Elliott, in the post
"...he (Cleland) kinda sorta DOES look like a gigantic flipper-baby..."
- RJ (Bobby) Elliott, comment #6
I do have a question for those of you adamantly opposed to the term Chickenhawk as "name-calling" (Eric Olsen, Dave Nalle, SFC Ski, Silas Kain, DrPat);
What's your opinion of Elliott's gutless attack on a braver man than he...one who sacrificed dismemberment in an effort to help maintain RJ's first amendment rights from his collegiate keyboard in Florida?
- MCH (USN, '70-74)
35 -
MCH
Mar 04, 2005 at 12:42 pm
What? No comments?
So, let me get this straight:
Anytime someone who promotes sending others to die in their place in an overseas invasion gets called a Chickenhawk, all kinds of whining about namecalling breaks out.
But when some weasel - who has never and will never serve - refers to a decorated, dismembered combat veteran as a "thalidomide baby" and a "gigantic flipper" who "can't fucking juggle," all the cyber patriots just look the other way?
...and the nastiest thing he did was to quote YOU, RJ.
38 -
MCH
Mar 29, 2005 at 1:10 pm
Re comment #14;
"...kerry voters are fucking communists.com..."
- by R.J. (Bobby) Elliott
In spite of the whining by the publisher concerning the use of the term "Chickenhawk," it's because of this kind of stuff that I have no qualms whatsoever calling Bobby Elliott the Chickenhawk that he is...
>>What's your opinion of Elliott's gutless attack on a braver man than he...one who sacrificed dismemberment in an effort to help maintain RJ's first amendment rights from his collegiate keyboard in Florida?<<
It seems a bit over the top, but I also think there's a huge difference between using an insulting description or term to apply to a public figure and using it in response to someone who's trying to discuss something on a blog.
And you know, Max Cleland's past service - wonderful though it is - doesn't exactly negate his current bizarre and rather irritating stridency. He's a truly annoying person whose views are mostly completely irrational and untennable.
Dave
40 -
MCH
Mar 29, 2005 at 4:48 pm
...aaannd what about Bobby calling Kerry voters "fucking communists"...?
41 -
gonzo marx
Mar 29, 2005 at 6:23 pm
RJ sez..
*Of course, to listen to giant thalidomide baby Max Cleland tell it,*
ok..ya just lost any shred of Respect i might have had for you...as well as demonstrated a complete lack of any sort of ethical integrity in you editorializing..
you show me yer lost limbs and purple hearts and then ya can spout off when a vet calls some numbnuts a "chickenhawk" after you just brazenly insulted 2 men who AT LEAST SERVED in their wartime
say what ya will, RJ...no wait..nevermind..who gives an aerial fornication intersecting a rotating pastry what you have to say...
Can I call Max Clelland the Democratic answer to Bob Dole?
Dave
43 -
gonzo marx
Mar 29, 2005 at 7:02 pm
shure..that is a decent comparison that is nowhere near as unthinkingly insulting as "thalidomide baby"..
think of the uproar if i had said that about Cheny..or Limbaugh..etc...
oh wait..none of them ever served in the Military...
no matter...i still don't stoop to that kind of insult now, do i?
and that was the gist of my point..
Excelsior!
44 -
MCH
Apr 10, 2005 at 3:37 pm
"What the fuck is Ben Afleck doing campaigning with the Kerry-Edwards ticket? This drunken putz didn't even vote until 2000, and he's running around the country demanding that others vote for his preferred candidate."
- R.J. (Bobby) Elliott, in above post
Yo, Bobby - then according to this criteria, people shouldn't take political advice from Rush Limbaugh, since Limbaugh did not vote in his first election until he was 35 years old...?
(source, "The Rush Limbaugh Story" by Paul Colford)
...Just making sure all the glass windows in your glass house are closed (as my good friend Boom would say)...
45 -
MCH
Aug 24, 2006 at 2:36 pm
Honor The Fallen
"Army Sgt. Wakkuna A. Jackson, 21, of Jacksonville, Fla.; assigned to the 710th Combat Support Battalion, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division, Fort Drum, N.Y.; killed Aug. 19 when an improvised explosive device detonated near her convoy vehicle in Kunar, Afghanistan. Also killed were Spc. Robert E. Drawl Jr. and Spc. Christopher F. Sitton."
Fifty-one U.S. female soldiers have now been killed in action in Iraq.
46 -
MCH
Oct 02, 2006 at 9:47 am
CANDIDATE-VETERAN ATTACKS BUSH ON IRAQ
By DENNIS CONRAD, Associated Press Writer
Sep 30, 2006
WASHINGTON - An Illinois congressional candidate who lost both her legs during combat in Iraq said Saturday that President Bush has no real strategy for securing the war-ravaged nation, just political talk designed to appeal to voters.
"Instead of a plan or a strategy, we get shallow slogans like 'mission accomplished' and 'stay the course,'" former U.S. Army Captain Tammy Duckworth said in the Democrats' weekly radio address. "Those slogans are calculated to win an election. But they won't help us accomplish our mission in Iraq."
Duckworth, who co-piloted a Black Hawk helicopter that crashed while under a rocket grenade attack almost two years ago, also criticized Bush and others in his administration for accusing anyone who challenges the president's policies of "cutting and running."
"Well, I didn't cut and run, Mr. President. Like so many others, I proudly fought and sacrificed," Duckworth said. "My helicopter was shot down long after you proclaimed 'mission accomplished.'"
At a GOP fundraiser Thursday in Alabama, Bush said, "The party of FDR and the party of Harry Truman has become the party of cut and run."
Duckworth is seeking the suburban Chicago seat against Illinois state Sen. Peter Roskam.
In her address, Duckworth, now a major in the Illinois National Guard, also lashed out at the GOP-led Congress for refusing to do its job of holding the Bush administration accountable for its flawed Iraq policy.
"We need a Congress that will ask the tough questions and work together for solutions rather than attacking the patriotism of those who disagree," she said. "It is time to encourage Iraqi leaders to take control of their own county and make the tough choices that will stop the civil war and stabilize the country."
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So RJ...any comment on Major Duckworth's appearance?
47 -
Clavos
Oct 02, 2006 at 10:53 am
"Some gave all...all gave some" (VVA slogan)
- MCH, Vietnam era vet
"Vietnam era vet whose closest assignment to Vietnam was freakin' Hawaii--an R&R destination...
And, as a Life Member of VVA, I think you have a hell of a nerve using our slogan in your comments.
That said, I agree with you about RJ's characterizations of Max Cleland, although I vehemently disagree with and disavow Cleland's current views.
RJ: Disagree with Cleland all you want--it's your right, and I support both your right AND the disagreement, but I think you're disgusting to make fun of his physical condition.
Clavos - I've apologized for making fun of Cleland's appearance about ten times already on various Blogcritics posts. MCH just keeps bringing it up again and again and again so that people who are unaware of my repeated apologies demand that I apologize yet again.
It's his little cyber-stalking game...you'll note that this post was written well over two years ago, but MCH keeps it alive with random comments every few months...why does he do that, I wonder?
So...once again, for the record: It was incredibly mean-spirited of me to make fun of a severely-wounded American veteran simply because I disagreed with his politics. Mea Culpa.
But my statement above will not matter, of course. Nor, apparently, did any of the previous statements expressing regret over this same exact issue. MCH will be at it again in a week, or a month, and I'll be expected to go through this process once again.
BTW Clavos - Thank you for your service. I don't suppose you had much spare time for softball and billiards while getting shot at by the NVA and the VC... ;-)
49 -
Clavos
Oct 02, 2006 at 12:02 pm
RJ,
You're right.
Please accept my apology for flying off the handle like that. I got so incensed, I failed to look at the dates of both the article and the comments I questioned.
"Clavos - I've apologized for making fun of Cleland's appearance about ten times already on various Blogcritics posts. MCH just keeps bringing it up again and again and again so that people who are unaware of my repeated apologies demand that I apologize yet again."
- RJ Elliott
Since it took you almost a year-and-a-half after the fact, and only after fellow conservative bloggers denounced your comparison as a scumbag thing to say, your flimsy "apology" is spurious, in my opinion.
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"BTW Clavos - Thank you for your service. I don't suppose you had much spare time for softball and billiards while getting shot at by the NVA and the VC... ;-)"
- RJ Elliott
And I don't suppose Tammy Duckworth had much spare time for blogging phoney war slogans, pretending to know what combat is like, and calling anyone opposed to the Iraqi invasion/occupation a "pinko" or a "commie", while getting her legs blown off, either.
-------------------------
"And, as a Life Member of VVA, I think you have a hell of a nerve using our slogan in your comments."
- Clavos
But had I DESERTED, and then lied about it, it'd be "non-sequitur."
52 -
REMF
Dec 31, 2007 at 11:45 am
"Can I call Max Clelland the Democratic answer to Bob Dole?"
- Dave Nalle
Sure, if you wish. It's better than the other comparison on this thread.
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Article comments
26 - Tom
"to get back to the original post.
i am off to wendy's for lunch. i in the mood for a frosty. only 99 cents.
jack"
Hmmmm..Frosty. Yummy.
27 - Evilwhiteguy
You forgot to mention this part:
Teresa Heinz Kerry pointed at a picture of chili on the menu and asked the cashier what it was before ordering a bowl.
28 - Evilwhiteguy
Someone (you know who you are) will probably accuse me of making that up, so here's the source.
29 - Evilwhiteguy
And then there's this:
While Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry and his running mate, John Edwards, and their families were having a "lite" lunch at Wendy's in the Town of Newburgh Friday, drumming up local support right after the national convention in Boston, their real lunches were waiting on their bus.
A member of the Kerry advance team called Nikola's Restaurant at the Newburgh Yacht Club the night before and ordered 19 five-star lunches to go that would be picked up at noon Friday. Management at the restaurant, which is operated by CIA (ed - Culinary Institute of America) graduate chef Michael Dederick, was told the meals would be for the Kerry and Edwards families and actor Ben Affleck who was with them on the tour.
The gourmet meals to go included shrimp vindallo, grilled diver sea scallops, prosciutto, wrapped stuffed chicken, and steak salad. The meals came to about $200.
So the entire Wendy's stop was a charade, they actually had a catered meal on the bus from a yacht club.
30 - boomcrashbaby
I wouldn't call it a charade, as much as a photo op. And everybody, including Bush has them. Perhaps if Kerry and Edwards landed on the roof of Wendys in a jet plane, and climbed down the wall in a flight suit, it wouldn't be quite the fried controversy it is being made out to be.
31 - bhw
lol....
32 - Dirtgrain
EWG said: "Teresa Heinz Kerry pointed at a picture of chili on the menu and asked the cashier what it was before ordering a bowl."
That's funny. I usually wait until after I get the bowl of "chili" from Wendy's to ask what it is. Oh, maybe Teresa is an alien. You better look into that.
EWG said: "So the entire Wendy's stop was a charade, they actually had a catered meal on the bus from a yacht club."
But prosciutto goes well with Wendy's chili. Doesn't everybody know that?
33 - MCH
Honor the Fallen
"Army pfc. Analaura Esparza Gutierrez, 21, of Houston, TX; assigned to A Company, 4th Forward Support Battalion, Ft. Hood; was killed while riding in a convoy that was hit by an improvised explosive device and rocket-propelled grenades on Oct. 1, 2003, in Tikrit."
Pfc. Gutierrez, who believed that actions speak louder than words, voluntarily enlisted in the military in 2002 so that she could eventually attend college. Her death ended this pretty 21-year old's dreams of getting married (she had received a marriage proposal from a fellow soldier only a few weeks prior to being killed) and of becoming a psychologist some day.
"She didn't deserve to die," Agustin Velazco Esparza said of his only child, urging president Bush to bring home other parents' children. "There are a lot of young people who are going to die as long as they're over there. She was the best daughter a father could have."
www.pigstye.net/iraq/article.php/20031008090225316
"Some gave all...all gave some" (VVA slogan)
- MCH, Vietnam era vet
34 - MCH
"...to listen to giant thalidomide baby Max Cleland tell it..."
- RJ (Bobby) Elliott, in the post
"...he (Cleland) kinda sorta DOES look like a gigantic flipper-baby..."
- RJ (Bobby) Elliott, comment #6
"Max Cleland can't fucking juggle."
RJ (Bobby) Elliott, comment #15
I do have a question for those of you adamantly opposed to the term Chickenhawk as "name-calling" (Eric Olsen, Dave Nalle, SFC Ski, Silas Kain, DrPat);
What's your opinion of Elliott's gutless attack on a braver man than he...one who sacrificed dismemberment in an effort to help maintain RJ's first amendment rights from his collegiate keyboard in Florida?
- MCH (USN, '70-74)
35 - MCH
What? No comments?
So, let me get this straight:
Anytime someone who promotes sending others to die in their place in an overseas invasion gets called a Chickenhawk, all kinds of whining about namecalling breaks out.
But when some weasel - who has never and will never serve - refers to a decorated, dismembered combat veteran as a "thalidomide baby" and a "gigantic flipper" who "can't fucking juggle," all the cyber patriots just look the other way?
Wow.
36 - RJ
You're a pathetic, anonymous little cyber-stalking troll.
37 - Rodney Welch
...and the nastiest thing he did was to quote YOU, RJ.
38 - MCH
Re comment #14;
"...kerry voters are fucking communists.com..."
- by R.J. (Bobby) Elliott
In spite of the whining by the publisher concerning the use of the term "Chickenhawk," it's because of this kind of stuff that I have no qualms whatsoever calling Bobby Elliott the Chickenhawk that he is...
39 - Dave Nalle
>>What's your opinion of Elliott's gutless attack on a braver man than he...one who sacrificed dismemberment in an effort to help maintain RJ's first amendment rights from his collegiate keyboard in Florida?<<
It seems a bit over the top, but I also think there's a huge difference between using an insulting description or term to apply to a public figure and using it in response to someone who's trying to discuss something on a blog.
And you know, Max Cleland's past service - wonderful though it is - doesn't exactly negate his current bizarre and rather irritating stridency. He's a truly annoying person whose views are mostly completely irrational and untennable.
Dave
40 - MCH
...aaannd what about Bobby calling Kerry voters "fucking communists"...?
41 - gonzo marx
RJ sez..
*Of course, to listen to giant thalidomide baby Max Cleland tell it,*
ok..ya just lost any shred of Respect i might have had for you...as well as demonstrated a complete lack of any sort of ethical integrity in you editorializing..
you show me yer lost limbs and purple hearts and then ya can spout off when a vet calls some numbnuts a "chickenhawk" after you just brazenly insulted 2 men who AT LEAST SERVED in their wartime
say what ya will, RJ...no wait..nevermind..who gives an aerial fornication intersecting a rotating pastry what you have to say...
Excelsior!
42 - Dave Nalle
Can I call Max Clelland the Democratic answer to Bob Dole?
Dave
43 - gonzo marx
shure..that is a decent comparison that is nowhere near as unthinkingly insulting as "thalidomide baby"..
think of the uproar if i had said that about Cheny..or Limbaugh..etc...
oh wait..none of them ever served in the Military...
no matter...i still don't stoop to that kind of insult now, do i?
and that was the gist of my point..
Excelsior!
44 - MCH
"What the fuck is Ben Afleck doing campaigning with the Kerry-Edwards ticket? This drunken putz didn't even vote until 2000, and he's running around the country demanding that others vote for his preferred candidate."
- R.J. (Bobby) Elliott, in above post
Yo, Bobby - then according to this criteria, people shouldn't take political advice from Rush Limbaugh, since Limbaugh did not vote in his first election until he was 35 years old...?
(source, "The Rush Limbaugh Story" by Paul Colford)
...Just making sure all the glass windows in your glass house are closed (as my good friend Boom would say)...
45 - MCH
Honor The Fallen
"Army Sgt. Wakkuna A. Jackson, 21, of Jacksonville, Fla.; assigned to the 710th Combat Support Battalion, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division, Fort Drum, N.Y.; killed Aug. 19 when an improvised explosive device detonated near her convoy vehicle in Kunar, Afghanistan. Also killed were Spc. Robert E. Drawl Jr. and Spc. Christopher F. Sitton."
militarycity.com
Fifty-one U.S. female soldiers have now been killed in action in Iraq.
46 - MCH
CANDIDATE-VETERAN ATTACKS BUSH ON IRAQ
By DENNIS CONRAD, Associated Press Writer
Sep 30, 2006
WASHINGTON - An Illinois congressional candidate who lost both her legs during combat in Iraq said Saturday that President Bush has no real strategy for securing the war-ravaged nation, just political talk designed to appeal to voters.
"Instead of a plan or a strategy, we get shallow slogans like 'mission accomplished' and 'stay the course,'" former U.S. Army Captain Tammy Duckworth said in the Democrats' weekly radio address. "Those slogans are calculated to win an election. But they won't help us accomplish our mission in Iraq."
Duckworth, who co-piloted a Black Hawk helicopter that crashed while under a rocket grenade attack almost two years ago, also criticized Bush and others in his administration for accusing anyone who challenges the president's policies of "cutting and running."
"Well, I didn't cut and run, Mr. President. Like so many others, I proudly fought and sacrificed," Duckworth said. "My helicopter was shot down long after you proclaimed 'mission accomplished.'"
At a GOP fundraiser Thursday in Alabama, Bush said, "The party of FDR and the party of Harry Truman has become the party of cut and run."
Duckworth is seeking the suburban Chicago seat against Illinois state Sen. Peter Roskam.
In her address, Duckworth, now a major in the Illinois National Guard, also lashed out at the GOP-led Congress for refusing to do its job of holding the Bush administration accountable for its flawed Iraq policy.
"We need a Congress that will ask the tough questions and work together for solutions rather than attacking the patriotism of those who disagree," she said. "It is time to encourage Iraqi leaders to take control of their own county and make the tough choices that will stop the civil war and stabilize the country."
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So RJ...any comment on Major Duckworth's appearance?
47 - Clavos
"Some gave all...all gave some" (VVA slogan)
- MCH, Vietnam era vet
"Vietnam era vet whose closest assignment to Vietnam was freakin' Hawaii--an R&R destination...
And, as a Life Member of VVA, I think you have a hell of a nerve using our slogan in your comments.
That said, I agree with you about RJ's characterizations of Max Cleland, although I vehemently disagree with and disavow Cleland's current views.
RJ: Disagree with Cleland all you want--it's your right, and I support both your right AND the disagreement, but I think you're disgusting to make fun of his physical condition.
Clavos
Vietnam combat vet
48 - RJ Elliott
Clavos - I've apologized for making fun of Cleland's appearance about ten times already on various Blogcritics posts. MCH just keeps bringing it up again and again and again so that people who are unaware of my repeated apologies demand that I apologize yet again.
It's his little cyber-stalking game...you'll note that this post was written well over two years ago, but MCH keeps it alive with random comments every few months...why does he do that, I wonder?
So...once again, for the record: It was incredibly mean-spirited of me to make fun of a severely-wounded American veteran simply because I disagreed with his politics. Mea Culpa.
But my statement above will not matter, of course. Nor, apparently, did any of the previous statements expressing regret over this same exact issue. MCH will be at it again in a week, or a month, and I'll be expected to go through this process once again.
BTW Clavos - Thank you for your service. I don't suppose you had much spare time for softball and billiards while getting shot at by the NVA and the VC... ;-)
49 - Clavos
RJ,
You're right.
Please accept my apology for flying off the handle like that. I got so incensed, I failed to look at the dates of both the article and the comments I questioned.
My bad..I'm sorry.
50 - RJ Elliott
Perfectly understandable. :-)
51 - MCH
"Clavos - I've apologized for making fun of Cleland's appearance about ten times already on various Blogcritics posts. MCH just keeps bringing it up again and again and again so that people who are unaware of my repeated apologies demand that I apologize yet again."
- RJ Elliott
Since it took you almost a year-and-a-half after the fact, and only after fellow conservative bloggers denounced your comparison as a scumbag thing to say, your flimsy "apology" is spurious, in my opinion.
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"BTW Clavos - Thank you for your service. I don't suppose you had much spare time for softball and billiards while getting shot at by the NVA and the VC... ;-)"
- RJ Elliott
And I don't suppose Tammy Duckworth had much spare time for blogging phoney war slogans, pretending to know what combat is like, and calling anyone opposed to the Iraqi invasion/occupation a "pinko" or a "commie", while getting her legs blown off, either.
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"And, as a Life Member of VVA, I think you have a hell of a nerve using our slogan in your comments."
- Clavos
But had I DESERTED, and then lied about it, it'd be "non-sequitur."
52 - REMF
"Can I call Max Clelland the Democratic answer to Bob Dole?"
- Dave Nalle
Sure, if you wish. It's better than the other comparison on this thread.