For the past few months I had been hearing through the alternative healing grapevine that a medical reporter in Austria had filed criminal charges against swine flu vaccine manufacturers. Curious but skeptical, I have quietly followed the story on the internet for the past few months.
From Jane Bürgermeister's website: "I have filed criminal charges in Austria against Baxter and Avir Green Hills Biotechnology for producing and distributing contaminated bird flu vaccine material this winter, alleging that this was a deliberate act to cause a pandemic, and also to profit from that pandemic."
A few months after learning about her, I read an article at Natural News where it was claimed that she also had the World Health Organization and the United Nations in her sightlines. Amazing!
"As the anticipated July release date for Baxter's A/H1N1 flu pandemic vaccine approaches, an Austrian investigative journalist is warning the world that the greatest crime in the history of humanity is underway. Jane Burgermeister has recently filed criminal charges with the FBI against the World Health Organization (WHO), the United Nations (UN), and several of the highest ranking government and corporate officials concerning bioterrorism and attempts to commit mass murder. She has also prepared an injunction against forced vaccination which is being filed in America
Who was this woman? I'm ashamed now to admit that I did not believe it at first. It was just too much to accept. A worldwide conspiracy to gin up a pandemic and then poison people with the vaccine? To depopulate the world? To make people intentionally sick?
Yet as I thought it all out, and then watched Jane herself on YouTube a few nights ago, I had to admit that it fit all of the various bits and pieces of research I had conducted for myself over the past twenty years. I also appreciated her confidence, clarity, and spirit as she was interviewed. My final confirmation that she was speaking truth to power came when she explained how she had been fired from her job and personally attacked in a most vicious manner. If she was a nothing, no one would have bothered to attack her.
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— go to most recent comments1 - Baritone
I think you're nuts. I'm not going to square off with you on all of your conspiracy charges except to say that your so called "research" likely has more holes in it than Lorraine Swiss, as one can find support for about any looney tunes conspiracy on the net, if one looks long and hard enough. For instance, I'm curious to see your source for the British insanity gobbledigook.
I am certainly sorry that you have had to live with allergies and the other maladies you noted above, but no one has put forth any acceptable proof that such conditions are the result of childhood immunizations. Literally hundreds of millions of people in this country and elsewhere have received those shots with no significant, if any, ill effects including yours truly, my wife and both of my kids. The sad truth is that some people are simply plagued with allergies and other predispositions owing to genetics, perhaps in tandem with any number of environmental and/or even psychological factors.
I suppose that a small # of people, again owing to genetics and other factors, may as a result have presented with a variety of conditions that could have been triggered by any or all of their childhood innoculations. But no such connections have been established. The fact is that almost anything we take in or otherwise come into contact with, no matter how seemingly innocuous, can be death to a few.
Who knew about peanuts? For years anyone and everyone ate peanuts and peanut butter and peanut candies, and on and on. Then suddenly a few years ago we start hearing about people having allergic reactions to them - some even dying. It sucks, but these things happen. I don't think there is a secret peanut conspiracy.
I'm sure you are totally sincere in your beliefs. I just think they are way off base. This conspiracy of yours holds no more water than those concerning the notion that 9/11 was an inside job, or that the CIA bumped off JFK.
B
2 - Jordan Richardson
Was it possible that these were the end game goals of the drug makers?
No. Drug makers want to make money. Hell, everybody wants to make money. If there's any conspiracy, it's to keep people alive much, much longer than they need to be in order to milk them for further profits.
Nobody of any significance is interested in mass depopulation, as that defeats the entire purpose of for-profit drug companies.
It is true that there are more chemicals in the products we consume, but we know more about those chemicals than we did in previous generations and we have more options to avoid them. I am not convinced that the flu vaccine presents any significant risk and there is no evidence provided by any serious study to make me think otherwise.
There will always be crackpots and crackpot theories. That's just a part of life. People don't want to see reality for what it is, so they internalize and mentally concoct visions of the world that suit their needs. Paranoid people find soft comfort in conspiracy theories and in thinking that they are being sought out for elimination by some evil government/corporate forces. The problem here is that it creates a facade that people hide behind in order to ignore the world's very real problems.
What if all of this conspiratorial energy, used to fight against vaccines and health care and all manner of other Western comforts, was used to combat the global hunger crisis?
And let's be realistic: population is a big problem. We, as a species, have virtually exploded in the last few decades. Births greatly outnumber deaths and we are expected to reach an alarming 9 billion people by 2040. There are very real things to consider with that fact that should be addressed reasonably and rationally without thinking that people are using a flu vaccine to thin out the herd.
What happens when we run out of resources, which we will at this rate of growth without alternative sources? What happens with countries that are so vastly overcrowded that they cannot feed their citizens (China has faced this and has faced criticism for instituting a policy of one child per family)? What are some reasonable ways to address this issue?
I think instead of flirting with the disaster of conspiracy theories such as this, we could be putting our energies to solving the world's real problems and addressing what's coming just over the horizon.
3 - Baritone
Jordan,
Well said.
B
4 - roger nowosielski
"Nobody of any significance is interested in mass depopulation, as that defeats the entire purpose of for-profit drug companies."
Not yet, at any rate, and certainly not the drug companies. Of course, such a time may come.
But what "people of significance" are concerned with, and interested in, are mechanisms of surveillance and social control - whether via internment, isolation, or indoctrination - through such institutions as prisons, hospitals, and educational facilities.
In fact, the idea of population (and population control) is a relatively modern idea and the object of intense study by any number of social sciences ranging from psychiatry, criminology and social delinquency, medicine, etc.
(a rather loose paraphrase of Michel Foucault's observations)
5 - Baritone
Another thought occurred: In other less technically advantageous times people having severe allergies and other disorders/conditions often succumbed to them or their complications being unable to flourish, while new medicines and therapies - even and including homeopatic ones - have made it possible for people to live longer and far more normally than in the past despite their maladies.
Few such medicines or therapies are perfect. As we know all too well, most of them harbour problems for at least a small number of users as witness the time required of all drug ads to denote all of the possible side effects of any particular drug. All of it is imperfect. But each represents a step forward. Occasionally, as we also know, some are found to present more significant risks than benefits and are either removed from the market or more stringently restricted in application or dosage.
I'm certainly not an apologist for the pharmaceutical industry - they certainly have their dark side. But I do know that the people who actually work in R&D are, for the most part, dedicated to finding better and better means to fight or eradicate health problems. The evil usually emerges from marketing departments and boards of directors concerned primarly with the bottom line.
B
6 - roger nowosielski
But we can't discount this evil, B-man, because the board of directors are in control. So it does matter to what uses is our scientific/technological knowledge being put. And so it was the case with the Manhattan Project, to bring up an extreme example.
A nuclear scientist, such as Oppenheimer, have an obligation to speak. These people in the privileged positions - the technocrats, the experts, the scientists (remember, we talked about it earlier) - have an added responsibility. They can't just be the cogs in the wheel, doing their daily work and pretend that everything is OK: "I'm only doing my job."
7 - Jordan Richardson
Of course, such a time may come.
When I think of mass depopulation, I think of genocides that are occurring under our very noses while we turn a blind eye and start fucking around with "theories" regarding swine flu, hospitals and "education facilities" doing social tampering.
We choose to focus on these things and on the theories of dead philosophers to make ourselves feel like we have some understanding of how shit works, but meanwhile we've got instances of ethnic cleansing happening around the world on a daily basis that defy reason: attacks on North Indians in Maharashtra last year, South African exceptionalism causing murder and rape of immigrants, the Burmese military dictatorship, millions of Iraqis displaced or murdered due to Shia and Sunni militias, etc.
You'll have to forgive me if I find little comparison to be had between those such events and swine flu, the education system and Obamacare.
8 - Cindy
Hmmm, interesting thread. I think I'll stay out of this one, Roger.
9 - roger nowosielski
You haven't displayed any understanding, Jordan, of "how the shit works," except enumerate a whole bunch of human problems. And we've been trying to deal with these problems since day one.
So perhaps you should devote some of your time and attention precisely to trying to understand how the shit works. It mightn't be such a waste of time as you imagine.
And no - I haven't made any analogy to swine flu or hinted at conspiratorial theories. If you recall, it was a take-off from your rather innocuous remark.
Didn't mean to disturb you piece, bro.
10 - roger nowosielski
peace . . .
Why? You think Jordan might become corrupted?He's a big boy and a lucid thinker. I don't have any such fear.
11 - roger nowosielski
Anyways, we'll talk tomorrow, Cindy. On my thread.
12 - Robert Z
Thank you for this blog entry. I have studied medicine for over 20 years. I have worked in labs where vaccines are made. I can back up everything you state in your blog entry 100%. The industry knows about the "side effects" and hides them.
The depopulation agenda exist and is publicly available. No one denies it! Media never reports on it.
Thank you for standing up for what is right even though many sleeping unaware individuals get angry when their "comfortable" world view gets a hit.
I want to warn everyone for the vaccine. Your specific genetic make up might be targeted this time. Short term side effects are horrible - long tern effects likewise.
Thank you Jenny.
13 - StuE
This isn't a personal attack just a comment that it is good to see others highlighting the criminal global depopulation syndicate. It would be hilarious seeing all the sheeple shaking their heads in denial of the truth if it weren't so serious. Seriously people I can't believe you can't work it out. Baxter caught shipping out contaminated vaccines? Polio vaccine causes POLIO while Bill Gates throws more money for MORE of the same, pretending to be a philanthropist when his roots are firmly embedded in Eugenics and to the person who thinks that no-one of significance was ever into Depeopulation i suggest you read some of the works by Thomas Malthus or Bertrand Russell. No-one of significance huh? So Henry Kissinger isn't significant then either I suppose?
Just ignore me and all the evidence go back to sleep and take your vaccine it will only kill a few neurons. Don't worry you probably won't get a weaponised version.
WAKE UP
14 - Jordan Richardson
You haven't displayed any understanding, Jordan, of "how the shit works," except enumerate a whole bunch of human problems.
Roger, you flood these threads with pseudo-intellectual babble about Foucault (do you really think I haven't read Foucault?) and countless other philosophical theories that, while they certainly have meaning and impact, serve to only further your own agenda. You tell me I have no "understanding of how shit works except to enumerate a whole bunch of human problems?"
Really?
Tell me what I'm missing.
Tell me how I'm missing it when I say that I'd rather focus on genocide, poverty and global hunger than whether or not the fucking swine flu vaccine is a means of population control. Tell me what I'm missing in the overall human experience when I'd rather go make sure people in my town aren't starving or freezing in the cold night than sit back and study a little The Birth of the Clinic.
That, to you and your ilk, may seem like an enumeration of human problems. But to me and mine, that's life, bro. That's reality, bro.
So perhaps you should devote some of your time and attention precisely to trying to understand how the shit works. It mightn't be such a waste of time as you imagine.
I do. Do you?
I haven't made any analogy to swine flu or hinted at conspiratorial theories.
I didn't say you did. My comments were merely a reflection of what I'd rather spend my time and intellectual energy on. And you have the audacity to suggest I couldn't care less about "how shit works."
Whatever you say.
Honestly, this place annoys the living shit out of me sometimes.
15 - Baritone
Somebody rattled some cages awakening a couple of crazies. I guess we can all take comfort in the knowledge that these wackos are looking out for us. Hey, you guys. Don't fall asleep at the switch. We're all counting on you.
Roger, you can be, I must say, annoyingly ecumenical in your seeming accomodation, at least to some degree, of practically any point of view, regardless of how off the wall it may be, for the sake of what? Comity? Being reasonable?
The notion that R&D scientists may be little more than mindless lemmings following their respective company mandates without question is on the whole preposterous.
Certainly, scientists are people too; subject to the same failings as the rest of us. Yet I don't accept the notion that they are, as a group, selling us down the tubes, purposely creating vaccines or other medications that are designed to deplete world population.
I must again agree with Jordan here. There are far more compelling issues at hand without delving into Stephen King-like conspiracy theories. I may have missed the point of the argument you and Jordan are engaged in, but to give credence to or to take more than a moment to consider as legitimate the argument presented by this article is hardly productive.
B
16 - Jenny Hatch
Baritone,
You said: "I'm curious to see your source for the British insanity gobbledigook."
I found the story here: Swine flu prompts changes to Mental Health Act
Here is the text from the article:
And the text from Janes site where I found the link:
The new law "Opens the door" to a change in the mental health situation which could easily be manipulated by those planning to force the vaccine.
As for the "conspiracy", the difference between Jane and the other whistleblowers is that she has taken it upon herself to fight these monsters in the courts.
I'm pleased to report that despite lifelong health challenges, I am doing much better. I only use my inhaler a couple times a year, and use alternative healing for almost all that distresses my immune system. Liver Cleansing has been a particularly powerful activity these past thirteen years!
Have a great day!
Jenny
17 - Ruvy
Jenny,
I'm sending a link of this article to some friends of mine who will have an interest in it, particularly the swine flu angle. The usual "it wasn't on CNN, so it wasn't true" crowd has checked in with their opinions, and they'll ignore whatever you say, now that they've labelled you a "conspiracy theorist". That is par for the course. When their ship hits the iceberg and begins to sink, they'll wonder why.
It's their problem. Scorners and mockers deserve whatever they get when the truth bowls them over.
18 - Jenny Hatch
Ruvy,
You Said:
"It's their problem. Scorners and mockers deserve whatever they get when the truth bowls them over."
I've been debating those scorners and mockers for many years on the web, particularly on health care issues, and I am convinced most of them are Full Time Big Pharma Whores who are PAID to comment in chat rooms.
They don't bother me in the least, mostly I ignore or heckle them.
But I would hope that any honest hearted person reading this article would take a few minutes to watch Janes You Tube Interview, and do a little research before getting the vaccine or especially giving it to their children.
My childrens school sent out an email yesterday that the vaccine would be available in the health room, and while they did not say "Everyone has to have it or we won't let you attend school", I am prepared to pull all four of our school aged kids out and homeschool them for the duration of the "Pandemic" if that happens.
I appreciate you sending the link around to your friends. This is the only way to bypass the Medical Media control over this topic.
Jenny
19 - roger nowosielski
#14
It was you, Jordan, who took objection to my comment. I wasn't criticizing you, yet for some reason you took it that way. So when you do, don't expect me to just take it sitting down. I am going to respond and give you a piece of my mind.
I have no idea what you're doing in your personal life other than writing pieces for BC on music and so on. I have no reason to suppose that you either are or are not involved in so-called "causes." If you are, good for you, and if you are not, it makes no difference to me.
But it is you who came out swinging without any provocation as though you were being accused of anything. And yes, taken on face value, all you were doing is giving me a laundry list. And yes, your response was emotional through-and-through and anti-intellectual (speaking of "dead philosophers," and so on so forth). And since you were being, "dismissive" - you know, you do do that once in a while, like saying "you're being annoyed" in your last comment (really, a childish remark if you think about it) - I responded in kind.
I don't know why I bugs the shit out of you when someone adds on to your remarks, as though you must have the last word, but I'm not going to worry about it. And no, I don't have a personal agenda, whatever the fuck you may mean. These things are important to me, I am struggling with attaining greater understanding of the world than I have, and if you don't, it's your frickin' business. But whenever I'm going to see a kind of naivete that you and Handy at times display, you can count on it that I'm going to try to punch holes in it.
So I hope you take this in the right spirit; and if you don't, it's just as well with me.
20 - Dr Dreadful
Ms Bürgermeister draws an unwarranted conclusion from the Mental Health Act changes. They are concerned with people who have already been diagnosed with mental illness. It's a heck of a leap from that to suggest that doctors are going to start committing people purely for refusing to be vaccinated.
Sure there's the potential for abuse - as some 'mental health experts' more sensible than a few of the commenters here have pointed out.
But Ms Bürgermeister is confusing cause and effect. It's no different than this logical error:
1. My neighbour, Mr Smith, owns a gun.
2. People sometimes shoot other people with guns.
3. Therefore, Mr Smith will shoot me.
21 - roger nowosielski
B-man,
"I must again agree with Jordan here. There are far more compelling issues at hand without delving into Stephen King-like conspiracy theories. I may have missed the point of the argument you and Jordan are engaged in, but to give credence to or to take more than a moment to consider as legitimate the argument presented by this article is hardly productive."
Yes, you did miss it, B-man. I wasn't supporting any c-theories, neither in the author's case not in any other that were alluded too. It was a side point, really; but why should that count as a distraction.
Secondly, when you say that "I don't accept the notion that they are, as a group, selling us down the tubes, purposely creating vaccines or other medications that are designed to deplete world population," you're caricaturing what I said.
I haven't presented any such picture, and you know it. All I talked about is an added responsibility that our top researchers, and people at the forefront of the scientific/technological revolution, must have and must exercise. These people are in a privileged position, and by virtue of the kind of work they do, their voice has a much greater weight than yours or mine. In fact, they form what called a "specialized intellectuals" - which is to say, people of certain professions: linguists, psychiatrists, biologists. And they have replaced in stature the old figure of "general intellectual" - the writer. Such is the nature of our post-industrial, technological society.
The point really is that we shouldn't assume that the intentions and designs of the boards of directors and big multinational companies are all humane and good without question - as you seem to do. This is not something that ought to be decided behind closed doors and in smoke-filled rooms. None of which it to say I support conspiracy theories, only that people who are most responsible for the direction the research is going have a unique responsibility to have their input (more so than you or I), if only for the fact we're not smart enough to understand the subject matter. They are.
Perhaps this provides you with a more thorough context for understanding my remarks. As to another part of your comment, I have no idea of what you're talking about when you speak of "adopting or accommodating" all kinds of positions and then you ask why? I can assure you I'm not doing it for the sake of the argument.
22 - Baritone
I was about to make the same comment as Doc. It would seem that Ms. Burgermeister has made an unwarrented extrapolation.
Jenny and Ruvy, I still don't buy into any notion that there is some great medical conspiracy afoot to reign in population growth via deadly vaccinations.
As with most conspiracy theorists, they give far too much credit to the supposed conspirators. Just as with 9/11 conspiracies, to effect such a plot would require monumental secrecy and the cooperation of a large number of people in various walks of life requiring of them a dispensation of conscience. I just don't buy it.
And all conspiracy aficionados shake their collective heads at everyone's naivete' and impending destruction by our ignoring their plaintive pleas. It's all of a piece.
B
23 - Cindy
Wait a second Dr.D and B,
Okay, I know there may be something wrong with my presentation here. But I think the logic goes more like this.
1. MHA has been changed to allow one doctor to diagnose someone as paranoid if they refuse.
2. I refuse because I know what they are up to.
3. The MHA change is aimed at diagnosing me as paranoid because I refuse.
Thus, classifying anyone who knows what they are up to as paranoid and thereby forcing vaccination on them.
Has anyone seen the film Changeling?
Apparently, if the police chief didn't like what you said or did (and he frequently didn't if it interfered with his political goals), he could have one doctor (one, as it turns out, whom he had convenient monetary relationship with) classify you and remove you to a mental institution.
Based on real life events in 1928 Los Angeles, the film stars Angelina Jolie as a woman who is reunited with her missing son--only to realize he is an impostor. She confronts the city authorities, who vilify her as an unfit mother and brand her delusional.
I find it completely unacceptable for one person to have that kind of control. There is a presumption that this authority will not be abused. My experience with mental health authorities tells me that it will definitely be abused.
In my experience, those diagnosed as mentally ill are even more vulnerable than the average person and should be doubly protected from abuses by 'well-intentioned' individuals who think that they a) know best and b) take it upon themselves to inflict what is 'best' on others.
Psychiatrists and psychiatric laws already vest too much power in people who frequently, in my experience, have very little idea what they are doing and who would often abuse that power.
24 - Cindy
Oh, and I don't even mean 'abuse that power' in the sense of the psychiatrist in the 1928 L.A. police department corruption case. I mean abuse that power because of their egocentric ideas that they are right.
Look around BC for how many people know that they are right and then ask yourself if you'd like any of them to have direct authority over what happens to you.
25 - roger nowosielski
Good movie, Cindy, and your reference to it is spot on. How they manage to talk the poor woman into believing and accepting what she darn well knows is not the case.
Scary!