Glenn Reynolds Reminds Me Of Saddam Hussein

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• 1 - Al Barger

  Sep 11, 2003 at 5:55 am

  Sho-wee, Brian- I think I smell something. You go on and on kvetching about how ol' Al supposedly does nothing but make personal attacks, and yet here you are on this frankly ridiculous vendetta against Mr. Reynolds. This little post constitutes an unhappy hate crime.
  
  Not that I don't make a personal criticism from time to time, but I always have some reasonable basis for making such criticism. On the other hand, you have called Glenn everything but a white boy here and in other recent posts with absolutely no hint of a legitimate basis. Crikey, Brian, you're starting to make even Bill O'Reilly look fair and balanced.
  
  I know you're frustrated. Democrats count on playing the race card in pretty much every election. You counted on sliming candidate Schwarzenegger with charges of racism, but it simply is not working. Arnold is quite squeaky clean there, despite his Aryan looks and accent.
  
  Thing is, in this case the real legitimate racial issue is swinging the other way with this Mecha group. As their organization has come to broad public attention, a lot of folks don't like the smell of Bustamante's brotherhood.
  
  You can try to argue over the translation of one slogan, but it's a lot deeper than that. They want to give a big chunk of America back to Mexico. They're not just trying to protect voting rights. They've got some considerably uglier things going on, and simply calling them a "civil rights organization" won't get rid of the stink.
  
  Mecha is getting broken off up in Bustamante, as he well deserves, and you're losing your mind. Turns out your racial trump card is working the other way, if anything. Sorry that your cheap racial demagoguing ain't working out so good this time.
  
  So instead, you're going apeshit on Glenn Reynolds. This makes a classic example of shooting the messenger. Glenn didn't make this stuff up. It's Bustamante that was in the racist organization, and still refuses to distance himself from it. Glenn's just pointing it out.
  
  You moaned like you were dying about me criticizing you, because you apparently don't think a blogger should be criticized. [See comment #146] Yet here you go again and again personally demonizing Mr. Reynolds.
  
  Is Brian Flemming a flaming hypocrite? We report, you decide.

• 2 - Eric Olsen

  Sep 11, 2003 at 8:06 am

  Honestly Brian, I am very happy right now that I don't live in California because the entire recall campaign strikes me as an absurd waste of time, money and energy. I imagine you basically agree with me there.
  
  So having stated I don't give a dog's dong about the campaign, I will not address the factual issues at hand: I neither know nor care about the REAL Mecha.
  
  But even giving you EVERY single matter of fact, which seem to be very much up in the air anyway, your attack on Glenn Reynolds is beyond the range of even polemic hyperbole as to appear unhinged. Other than his prominence - well deserved, in mine and 70,000 other opinions - I can't imagine why you would call such a person a fascist hatemonger and compare him to Saddam Hussein. This really does call into question your judgment.

• 3 - Phillip Winn

  Sep 11, 2003 at 9:43 am

  Brian- I don't really care about MEChA, though it would seem your information about "mistranslation" and the slogan never appearing on the website in the first place is debatable in the first case and plain wrong in the second. Still, I don't really care. I'm posting for this reason:
  
  Al- You can actually link directly to a comment, though right that takes some exciting kung-fu action. For example, your last link can be rendered thusly. I'll add actual comment permalinks to my to-do list. ;)

• 4 - Phillip Winn

  Sep 11, 2003 at 11:39 am

  Brian, on further reflection, and after actually reading your post in detail, you must know that you (or Atrios, I guess) are pretty far off the bubble, right?
  
  To compare various despicable Jim Crow laws from various states with one of the least-offensive documents from MEChA is just silly. As an NGO, MEChA has not been in a position to enact laws, so we have no real apples-to-apples possibilitites. However, several people have provided various assertions, such as that swaths of several states ought to revert to the control of Mexico. Including, I believe, the part where you currently live! Maybe the part where I live, too.
  
  The idiots who pushed through Jim Crow laws had the power to do so, but before that they had the desire. MEChA doesn't have the power, and likely never will, but there is apparently evidence (that I haven't examined closely) that at least some of the organizational goals are not as mild and meek as their constitution (which regulates only their own behavior at internal meetings) might suggest.
  
  I don't think that Jim Crow laws and MEChA can be easily compared. Nor, however, do I think that Reynolds was necessarily making that comparison. Hyperbolic? Sure. And silly in that sense. But his statement was specifically about the difficulty of getting elected officials to let go of strange ideas of racial superiority, which seems to describe Bustamante's allegiance to MEChA reasonably well.

• 5 - Joe

  Sep 11, 2003 at 12:07 pm

  Out of the roughly 80 posts currently appearing on Glenn's homepage, six deal with Bustamante/MECha. On the other hand, with this post, I'd estimate you've committed about 3500+ words to your take on Glenn's opinions. Who's obsessing here?

• 6 - Dawn

  Sep 11, 2003 at 1:20 pm

  What is even more important to note Brian, is that Glenn most likely doesn't really give a crap what you or 99% of the world speculate about regarding his personal beliefs or agendas.
  
  He is just a man with a popular website who works pretty hard at keeping his readers informed of MANY types of things.
  
  The real enemy is out there somewhere Brian, I challenge you to find them and stop wasting your time on a multi-tasking law professor.

• 7 - Andrew

  Sep 11, 2003 at 1:31 pm

  Anytime one cites the infamous "atrios" as a good authoritative source for something, one has immediately undercut whatever credibility they might have otherwise attracted. Mr. Fleming's obsession about Mr. Reynolds is increasingly bizarre, but somewhat emblematic of a number of blogmasters on the Loony Left, including the aforementioned "atrios," the alleged substitute high school gym teacher from Philadelphia.
  
  If the assertions of Mr. Fleming and others of his ilk were true, then one is left to ponder why so many Hispanic politicians, NOT including Mr. Bustamante, have publicly repudiated MEChA

• 8 - Mark

  Sep 17, 2003 at 2:12 pm

  Here is the MeChA philosophy that Bustamante accepts, believes and has never publicly repudiated:
  
  "In the spirit of a new people that is conscious…of the brutal 'gringo' invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlán from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.
  We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks, which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlán belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent “
  
  http://www.calnews.com/archives/contreras164.htm

• 9 - Chris Arabia

  Sep 17, 2003 at 2:41 pm

  "I dunno. I haven't really thought about it."
  
  Okay, I won't contest that assertion. Mr. Flemming summarizes himself more effectively than I ever could.
  
  I also notice that he avoids a full translation and even a cursory analysis.
  
  At best, the phrase seems to be a call for racialist self-reliance. One on-line service offered the following interpretation:
  
  "By the race all, out of the race swims"
  
  Which proves little more than the ineffectiveness of that service, comic effect notwithstanding.
  

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