DSG: The Future Of The Gearbox - Page 3

The gearbox also keeps the F1 style gearbox's benefits. Because the computer will change gear very precisely, and not over stress the components, the weight of the whole unit is not much more than a conventional gearbox and clutch. This is because the parts can be made to much tighter tolerances, but still manage the same life expectancy as the manual counterparts.

There is a downside to the gearbox though: it cannot be used in races. This is because it changes gear so quickly, and the loss of drive is so minute, that the gearbox gets classed as a Constantly Variable Transmision. The FIA and other governing bodies outlawed this in the early 80s. However, with the speed that some of the current Formula One cars can now change, this may be altered. The current Honda gearbox is called the 'Lossless' gearbox after all, but they did prove that it reduces engine power and its use was therefore allowed.

 The crowning achievement of the DSG is the English-made, Ricardo Company's seven speed DSG, for use in the Bugatti Veyron. That particular car is worthy of its own - more detailed - article, so that will have to wait.

So, next time you drive a DSG car just think: You can change gear faster than even the Formula One and Indy drivers.

Special thanks to Audi for the images and the link to the video demonstrating the gearbox in action.

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  • 1 - Michael Karesh

    Mar 18, 2007 at 11:20 am

    Perhaps the best explanation of the DSG I've come across. Excellent job.

  • 2 - Tony

    May 01, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    Very good article, but still haven't seen explanation on how DSG operates from standing start - Electronic controlled engagement of conventional clutch in first gear? Does this mean clutch is being continuously 'slipped' when in Drive but at standstill with brakes on? Does this not lead to increased clutch wear for the clutch that includes first gear?

  • 3 - Ashleigh

    May 01, 2007 at 2:26 pm

    That's correct, it's basically the same as when manual car drivers slip it during a hill start etc. Obviously the car can use it's brakes etc to compensate so the wear is actualy lower than conventional clutch.

    The DSG is being re-invented soon as well. VW have announced a 7 speed, dry clutch system capable of handleing 450ft/lb torque that will be launched soon.

  • 4 - Carl

    Aug 03, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Thank you for a very helpful article. However, when I read the published mpg figures (here in the UK) there seems to be an up to 10% fuel consumption penalty associated with a DSG gearbox. Granted that's better than the apparent 15-20% of a traditional automatic. But why the apparent 10% penalty?

  • 5 - Ashleigh

    Aug 17, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    It's mostly down to the extra weight of the DSG 'wet' box. The newer dry clutch boxes should get the penalty down a bit more.

    However manufacturers figures are for an ideal manual driver, and the DSG is always going to perform the same, so in reality the difference is negligible at best.

  • 6 - lawrence ogden

    Nov 21, 2008 at 11:11 am

    the dsg box is brilliant i have a glof tdi 170 dsg and can get 54 mpg on a run (19km/litre) it is the best auto box ever put in a car the gearchange is seamless dont bother using the paddles put it into drive and enjoy the ride if you use sport mode it holds on to 5th gear to 115 mph.tdi170gsg is one of vw`s best kept secrets

  • 7 - LT

    May 19, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    That's correct, it's basically the same as when manual car drivers slip it during a hill start etc. Obviously the car can use it's brakes etc to compensate so the wear is actualy lower than conventional clutch.
    I doubt the wear is lower since either car can use the brakes. The difference is in a manual transmission the driver disengages the clutch. With a dsg when stopped at traffic lights for example the clutch is still dragging and you can feel this as the load is eliminated if you shift to neutral. It will be interesting to see just how long the clutch lasts in a dsg compared to an experienced driver with a conventional transmission.

  • 8 - Federico Melo

    Aug 09, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    I just bought a 2.0 T FSI with DSG and realized about the charge being applied though odd clutch when standing stop in drive mode and can’t believe it. Besides the obvious feeling, I checked it by watching instant fuel consumption increasing when switching from neutral to drive or first. I only can think that wear is so low that VAG group thinks is better, because it would be extremely easy to fully release clutch when detects speed zero and brake applied. Even if they assured that wear is minimal I would prefer full release and I think I’ll get use to place it into neutral while waiting for light or traffic to move.

  • 9 - Ashleigh

    Aug 09, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    Remember most of them are wet clutches, so wear isn't that high.

  • 10 - Nik Palekar

    Jan 31, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Why are there so many problems with the DSG slipping into neutral and sometimes refusing to engage into 'D'rive mode. NHTSA in the US has forced VW to extend warranty to 10 years upto model year 2009. Is the 2010 model of the DSG improved?

  • 11 - mark mccaffrey

    Apr 02, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Your comments are great about the DSG box. But i find so many negative reviews on other web pages. Is its reliability good or poor? I am going to buy the new Sharan later this year and am considering the DSG box, would it be a good choise for me. It will be my wifes car doing 7500 miles per year average mostly the school runs and shopping runs. we plan to keep it for around 6 years. Will the DSG stick short runs and last with out fault for around 45000 to 50000 miles. If you read other reports this is questionable.Are the justified in their comments?

  • 12 - Kev

    Dec 31, 2010 at 1:33 am

    Some of the comments above do not apply to current dsg boxes. For example, when stationary with the footbrake applied, the clutches disengage completely and so there is no 'drag' on the clutch at all. If you apply the handbrake and take your foot off the footbrake - then the clutches re-engage and the car will try to pull forward. Clearly this is not good and so, when stationary, say at traffic lights, either keep the footbrake on or, if you want apply the handbrake on its own - just slip the box into neutral. My previous four cars have been conventional autos. I have recently bought a Golf 1.4 TSi with the DSG box and it is superb. There are a few minor differences that you have to get used to - but changes are incredibly smooth and seamless and, unlike with conventional autos, there is no fuel or performance penalty at all with the latest dry-clutch DSGs. In fact there are YouTube videos demonstrating that 0-60 times with identical cars, one manual and one DSG, are faster with the DSG box. No manual driver can change gear as fast as a computer controlled DSG can!

  • 13 - Adam

    Jul 11, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    In addition to extending the warranty on the DSG transmission to 100K miles, VW has replaced the mechatronic units in most of the faulty units! Mine,in my R32,Is a fantastic transmission! It's almost like mind control, when I want something to happen it magically does!!
    Have fun safely!! :)

  • 14 - Luís Pires

    Feb 24, 2012 at 3:45 am

    That´s what Germans do best: to use science to develop good products and get money from it (that´s also can be called engineering).

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