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It used to be walking down the street of any major city in North America (and Europe, I discovered) that people would stop you and ask if you would like to take a personality test. They promised it would reveal all sorts of secrets about you and help you make important life decisions.

It turned out that the most important decision you could make in your life was joining the Church of Scientology. They could provide all the answers for all the questions you could possibly have on your journey through life. If you became a Scientologist the world was your oyster.

What do you do if you’re the author of a bunch of pretty bad science fiction books which aren’t selling worth squat and you want to be famous anyway? Do what L. Ron Hubbard did and start a religion. I’m sure most of you have seen his massive books littering remainder bins in bookstores everywhere. By far the worst examples of deforestation in existence.

So I think I can be excused for choking on my morning coffee when I hear the pronouncements of Tom Cruise extolling the virtues of Scientology over that of trained practitioners of psychiatry. Now, I’m no advocate of the “there’s a pill for every ill that afflicts you” school of medicine, but that’s not to say that certain people at particular points in their lives don’t need the assistance of medication.

Depression and other psychiatric illnesses can be genuinely debilitating to those afflicted with them. The causes of depression can be deep rooted and deep seated, ranging from the after affects of childhood abuse to the stress of having just too many things to cope with. Medication will not cure depression, that can only be done by dealing with the issue causing it, but it can provide relief to the patient of its crippling symptoms.

Anyone who has ever suffered from clinical depression knows just how horrendous the experience can be. If bad enough and left untreated it can lead to suicide. It doesn’t mean that you are just a little blue or down in the dumps. It means that you have lost the will to live at all.

There’s nothing left that motivates you to do anything. In some cases the patient is so badly afflicted that getting out of bed is simply not worth it to them. Those things like family and friends that used to mean so much to you, have no meaning anymore. You neglect yourself and them because what’s the point anyway?

This lack of motivation also feeds the depression, because now you start to feel worthless. It becomes a vicious circle of depression, not being able to do anything, and further depression. Without something to break the downward spiral a person could fall in perpetuity.

That’s where medication comes in, but not as a cure all or a panacea that will make the world a place better for the patient. Since most anti-depressants work as feeling suppressers the person using them will actually be in the position of not being able to feel any extremes of emotions. Neither sadness nor joy will play a role in their lives.

While this state of mind is not conducive to living life to the fullest, it’s a lot better than being bed ridden. Once the sufferer begins to respond to the medication they must begin to seek therapy to deal with the root causes of the depression. As this can be a drawn out process, with almost as many steps backward as forward, the necessity for medication remains until the patient has shown significant improvement.

Like all medications that work with brain chemistry, antidepressants can have significant contradictions dependant on dosage. In the early stages of treatment it is essential for the physician and the patient to work together closely in monitoring client reactions, physical and emotional, to the drug. Otherwise they could end up causing more harm then good.

Recovery from severe emotional trauma can take years. Sometimes after an initial couple of years of therapy a patient will feel well enough to be taken off medication and begin to pick up the pieces of their life. But some years down the road they may find that problems start to return.

Deep seated emotional scars are like an onion, with many layers waiting to be peeled back until the core is reached. Our psyches are only able to deal with so much at any given time and need to take breaks from recovery. While some people find that their problems have been solved by dealing with only the external layers, others need to delve deeper to find complete relief.

It’s usually some sort of other trauma, a physical injury, the loss of somebody close or the end of a long term relationship, that triggers the onset of symptoms again. Sometimes the person who had previously suffered depression displays a different reaction, such as anxiety or panic disorders, when they relapse. New symptoms require new medication and new therapy.

The only way for these patients to obtain significant control over their lives again is to continue the process of uncovering those details of their lives that caused the symptoms to begin with. There is the danger that a person can fall into the trap of becoming dependent on analysis, or of over analysis, to the point that they lose sight of the fact that all humans have difficulties at one time or another without there necessarily having to be any hidden meaning.

There comes a point when it becomes essential that clients learn to differentiate between the normal day to day stress of living and that which is caused by a prior experienced trauma. Unfortunately for some this point may never be reached as they were too severely traumatized to ever be able to cope with the realities of today’s world.

The pharmaceutical companies would have us believe that there is a pill for every problem and if you only take their tablet all your problems will be solved. There are doctors who keep their patients in a continual pharmaceutical haze either because of laziness or ignorance. Any number of patients misdiagnosed are too many and too many have ended up in the psychiatric wards of hospitals from having been prescribed medications that do more harm then good.

The nonsense that Tom Cruise and the scientologists are espousing as gospel is even more damaging. Mental illnesses are real and need to be treated in a responsible manner with proper support and respect. Patients are vulnerable to suggestion, and the slightest indication that their problems lack validity (that the problems are “all in their head,” so to speak) seriously undermines their hopes for recovery.

People are free to believe what they want and to live their lives in any way they see fit. But advocating theories that are potentially dangerous, based on no proof except your say so, is highly irresponsible, especially for a person of Mr. Cruise’s influence. His fame is not an adequate credential for giving medical advice.

gypsyman has been undergoing therapy for post traumatic stress syndrome caused by childhood sexual abuse on and off since 1994. While some may consider the matter open for debate, he feels that it has helped him significantly. He is currently in therapy and on medication for anxiety and panic disorder. “I’m much better now” :(Night Court, Judge Stone’s father played by John Astin better known as Gomez Adams in the T.V. version of the Adam’s family)

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  • http://www.dorksandlosers.com Tan The Man

    “They could provide all the answers for all the questions you could possibly have on your journey through life.”

    How some people believe that there is an answer to every and any question is beyond me.

  • Dragonfly

    Scientology finds the root of someone’s upsets that cause them problems in life, without the need for drugs, in less time than psychotherapy and fully resolves it so one doesn’t relapse. Psychiatry and psychology become pretty useless when a non-invasive, non-drug therapy exists that actually works.

  • http://gratefuldread.net Natalie Davis

    I have been clinically depressed for years and have never taken antidepressants. So far, my non-invasive, non-drug therapy hasn’t done any good. At the same time, I have my doubts that Scientology would work for me. I took an EST seminar about 25 years ago and my recollection is that a lot of its teachings and the insistence on expensive courses are very similar to what I am hearing and reading about Scientology. Doesn’t fill me with a lot of confidence in it. I wonder how the COS’ costs would compare to the aggregated costs of psychiatry and antidepressants.

  • http://www.happierlife.org David Barrington

    I’m responding from 37 years experience: (1) Anyone can get depressed, but persisting depression is either (a) caused by a medical reason, such as having an hormonal, vitamin or mineral imbalance, or a strutural reason (causing chronic discomfort) Example, several have asked me to help them resolve unhappiness, fatigue, etc. These are all symptoms of Lyme disease (as well as other phyiscal illnesses). I have them first go to a doctor.

    The second reason for persisting depresssion is that the person is stuck in that past moment of upset OR there is AN EARLIER SIMILAR INCIDENT that locks in place the incident the person is aware of (the earlier one is just outside the person’s awareness, but can easily be brought to light). This earlier similar locks in place the later (most current) incident with all the attendant emotional upset.

    As a Dianetics auditor (“one who listens”) I have helped many IN HOURS to locate and remove the affect of a past moment causing the persisting depression. Any fairly intelligent high school student could do the same.

    I am not promoting myself, simply reminding your readers that just because there is a common “understanding” does not mean scientific fact. The earth is flat; the sun revolves around the earth, and many historical examples of “everyone knows” were only later to be proven as non-scientic but supportive of vested interests, as with psychiatry’s “chemical imbalance” and “brain disorder.” Very profitable messages that line the pockets of the psychs and pharmaceutical corporations earn $billions, most of which come from our taxes and insurance premiums.

    Best regards,
    David Barrington

  • http://www.happierlife.org David BArrington

    Post Script: I invite you to read the testimonials on my website. Not to promote myself, simply to give how quickly people resolve long-term problems. Again, anyone of average or better intelligence can learn Dianetics and get the same results I do. http://www.happierlife.org.

  • http://pippensqueak.blogspot.com gypsyman

    Natalie: I’m not one to tell others what to do but I think therapy of some sort probably would be in order. (From the description that David described of what he does with Scietology sounds like therapy so why they are discrediting other means of therapy is quite odd.)
    Anyway back to Natalie. I have recently begun a course of therapy(so has my wife) with a doctor who works with EMDR. This therapy allows one to relive past traumas with out re experiencing them and process the information to see how they are affecting you today.

    This offers those of us who flasback and relive crises in our past a chance to break that cycle. Being able to see them analytical without experiencing them will prevent them from reocurring.

    The process also helps find the root of your problems. Then you can begin to rebuild.

    There are a number of real self help books that can be of use. Specifically the don’t sweat the small stuff series(they didn’t show up on my Amazon search, and I didn’t think of them until now. I’m going to go back and post them to this article so you can look at them)
    As to the cost involved, I do know meds are more expensive in the States then Canada, and I don’t know what therapy is covered by what insurance programs in the States. But surely if you can afford it, peace of mind is worth some money.
    One last interesting fact. One in four people in North America are being treated for some type of stress related problem today. So your not alone.
    gypsyman

  • http://www.docofdiets.com dietdoc

    David: From the jump, I want you to know that I am not attacking you or your beliefs or therapy. This is not a negative posting as I belief that, if something works for any individual, by all means, use it. I do have one small question, for my personal interest. Your web site notes “Licensed to teach, administer and certify others.” What body – Church, governmental or professional – are you licensed by? Does the Church of Scientology provide this certification? I just ask to complete my knowledge of your qualifications.

    Thanks for taking the time to reply.

    Cheers,

    Ron

  • http://www.happierlife.org David Barrington

    Post Script #2 (and the last): There is another reason for a feeling of chronic depression. A person can be closely associated to someone who degrades (make less of). There’s a great volume of R&D that went into that by L. Ron Hubbard — but that’s part of Scientology (“knowing how to KNOW”) and summarized at the website http://www.scientologyhandbook.org. When there, scroll to the bottom of the page and click “Enter” — then scroll down and click “Ups and Downs.” (You have a picture of the book (Scientology Handbook) leading your article. This website provides “how to” actions a person can take to resolve various problem areas of life.
    Best, David dmb@happierlife.org

  • http://www.happierlife.org David Barrington

    Response to Ron:
    Licensed under the Church of Scientology, which in any of its organizations teaches Dianetics, both introductory and advance courses.

    Please understand “belief” has absolutely nothing to do with Dianetics (or Scientology). I do not “believe” that when I put water into a pot, place the pot on the stove, and turn on the gas and allow the pot to remain on the flames until the water starts releasing visible, rapidly rising bubbles, does water boil. I simply have used a procedure and achieved a demonstrable (and measurable) result.

    L. Ron Hubbard published Dianetics in 1950, and some of his breakthrough discoveries have perculated through society and were altered (this references one of the postings) so as to side-step trademark issues.Hubbard’s discoveries included such things as IQ does change, contrary to the pre-1950 psych “never changes” plus prenatals (you’re quite aware of what’s happening whilst in the womb) and VERY IMPORTANT, things said during moments of trauma can act as post-hypnotic commands that can affect how a person thinks or feels later in life.

    Have a fine day,
    Best, David

  • http://www.pippensqueak.blogspot.com gypsyman

    Natelie:
    Don’t be put off by the “new agey” titles and style of Richard Carlson’s books that I put up as Amazon links. There is some good stuff in there.
    gypsyman

  • http://www.docofdiets.com dietdoc

    David writes: ” I simply have used a procedure and achieved a demonstrable (and measurable) result.”

    Reply: Thank you, David. I do appreciate your response and clarification. I wish you continued success with your work in helping others.

    Cheers,

    Ron

  • jessixa

    why does david barrington feel the need to define the word “degrades” for us? Does he not know that it is an english word? The terminology that he employs is unsettling, rambling without any direct line of reasoning. It is pseudo-science, pseudo-religious, eu-cult.

  • http://www.liveandgrow.org Greg

    Jessixa,
    From what I read on this thread, it was about a person describing their methodology and other people politely asking questions.

    The only thing unsettling to me has been your rambling rant, which is pseudo-whining, pseudo-paranoid and eu-annoying.

    David, Ron, I’ve enjoyed the exchange so far.

  • Greg

    I found it very noteworthy that, while everyone seems to have freaked out at Tom Cruise for claiming there’s no such thing as a “chemical imbalance” on the Today Show, little mention has been made about the follow-up on Today with Katie Courik, with Dr. Joseph Glenmullen, Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School – who surprisingly said that Cruise brought up important points, and specifically confirmed that there is no such thing as “chemical imbalance” (let’s make this clear, neither was talking about hormonal imbalances, which of course exist, nor indocrine imbalances – but about the psychiatric claim that a chemical imbalance in the brain is the cause of depression and other maladies.)
    Dr. Glenmullen went further, stating that the FDA and other Countries have banned doctors from making this claim.

  • http://www.pippensqueak.blogspot.com gypsyman

    Nobody’s probably commented on the good doctor’s statements because he’s not Tom Cruise. They were never reported, or if they were, in such a minor way as to have been ignored and overshadowed.

    I don’t know if a chemical imbalance causes depression or not, but my problems were with the denial of the use for medications to help people, or the need for therapies.

    Scientology just sounds like another form of therapy, so how can they deny it’s effectivness when they advocate it?

    Medication is not a cure, but without it some people are unable to begin the process needed to recover. Would you deny a person suffering from physcial pain relief? To me it amounts to the same thing. Symptoms need to be treated while the cause is being relieved.

    gypsyman

  • http://www.happierlife.org David Barrington

    To gypsyman:
    Re “just another form of therapy”

    What occured with Dianetics is that in helping an individual locate the earliest available incident holding in place the unwanted condition, individuals were contacting earlier than this life traumas.

    Without reducing the control over the individual of the earlier trauma, the later (more current) ones were held in place. Thus, the unwanted condition persisted.

    It became quite evident that a person is not a body, but is a spiritual being. He does not HAVE a soul. He IS the soul.

    This is not a unique discovery. It’s been known for more than 2,500 years. What is unique is that Hubbard employed scientific methodology in researching such issues as “what is the spirit?” “what are its qualities, attributes, capabilities?”.

    For more info, there’s an interview he did: http://www.ronthephilosopher.org/page38.htm

    (If you go there, there’s a border that covers over some right margin text. To resolve this, move your mouse’ pointer over a corner, hold the left button down and reduce the window.)

    The real issue is that psychology was altered in approx 1856 by Wundt and Bismarck from “the study of the spirit” to a tool to manipulate populations and removed the “spirit” from the subject.

    Psychiatry has — certainly since the early 1900’s — been a tool of political and vested interests, often to quiet disenters (as in Russia, Germany, etc.). It is not science based. It is a mulit-billion industry that wishes to increase the number of “illnesses” to increase its customer base, with the full support of the pharmaceuticals.

    Two sites containing info you may find of interest:
    http://www.cchr.org
    and
    http://www.FreedomMag.org

    Dianetics can be learned and used by anyone, as can so many of the tools developed by Hubbard. They are for use by anyone to make it easier to get on with life.

    “Therapy” is not the issue. The issue is how the organizations of psychiatry and post-1856 psychology removed YOU from the equation, and replaced YOU with a body, brain and sack of chemicals. (I use the word “You” in a generic sense.)

    Best regards,
    David Barrington
    http://www.happierlife.org

  • http://www.happierlife.org David Barrington

    Post Script:
    The psychiatric industry has successfully cloaked itself in terms that one would only previously have subscribed to Medical Doctors. That said, I started school in 1950 so I have observed the gradual manipulation of terms used in this society.

    It used to be “psychiatric drugs” now they are called “medicines.

    It used to be called “mental illness” now it’s gradually being changed to ‘brain disease.”

    All carefully done to position a non-science along with the acutal science of medicine.

    It’s not medicine. It’s drugs. Legal “happy pills.” Ritalin, as an example, is a Class 2 drug, the same level as is cocaine.

    Best, David dmb@happierlife.org

  • http://www.happierlife.org David Barrington

    Post Script 2:
    Gypsman wrote:
    “Medication is not a cure, but without it some people are unable to begin the process needed to recover. Would you deny a person suffering from physcial pain relief? To me it amounts to the same thing. Symptoms need to be treated while the cause is being relieved.”

    The cause of the symptom can very well be vitamin, mineral or hormone deficiences. Something a medical doctor, M.D. or D.O. (D.O. are doctors who seek underlying causes, while MD’s usually just treat symptoms – both have the same training, different philosophies). It doesn’t take long to do tests and find out if that is the situation. I’ve seen people go from wrecks to fully fine with hormone replenishment within a week or less.

    If it still continues, “talking about it” is not as effective as finding the underlying incidents holding in place the emotional upset. That usually only takes hours with Dianetics, which anyone can learn.

    Have a fine day and a great weekend,
    David

  • Trixie77

    I watched part of the Tom Cruise interview with Matt Lauer and I couldn’t help wondering with a tremendous amount of dismay, “When did Tom Cruise become an expert in the field of psychiatry?” He rudely dismissed Matt Lauer by saying, “You haven’t read the papers on psychiatry; I have.” Congratulations. Have you read them all or are you still working on them? As far as being considered
    “glib,” Matt Lauer is respected in the news field has more credibility as a news reporter than Tom Cruise does. Oh, I’m sorry. Did Tom play one in a movie?

    Last year Mr. Cruise declared to the world that there was no such thing as dyslexia. He claimed that he “cured” himself with a reading program. Of course it was a Scientology approved reading program. As a special education teacher I would like to thank you Mr. Cruise. Please continue to set back special education and it’s acceptance into the main stream. We don’t deal with enough student and parent embarrassment and denial as it is.

    I believe that last year I saw on the news that Mr. Cruise kindly donated money to the NY city school system for a reading program. I believe that it was a Scientology approved reading program. He also donated money for counseling for people who helped during the horrors of 9/11. Again, I believe that this counseling program was also Scientology approved.

    There is very little that anyone can say to make me believe that Tom Cruise is not pushing his own agenda. Stop it Tom. Not everyone appreciates it and some of us are actually offended by it. My sister-in-law’s favorite expression is. “Walk a mile in my shoes.” C’mon Tom. Have you forgotten what real life is like?

  • http://www.liveandgrow.org Greg

    To Trixie:

    “When did Tom Cruise become an expert in the field of psychiatry?”

    Since he began his intense activism in the field of education, which was about four years ago. He has personally helped families wean their kids of psychiatric drugs, working with doctors and nutritionists. He has read a number of white papers and books on the subject.

    Matt Lauer has done none of the above, and was simply blindly parroting the Big Pharma party-line of “it’s ok to drug our kids because_”

    When Tom Cruise used the expression “glib”, he was referring to a specific phenomenon that happens when a person relies on fragmented information and un-evaluated information to pronounce an opinion, which is not the product of sound research. Matt Lauer is definitely “glib” when he talks about Ritalin, a subject he knows nothing about. And yet he was making pronouncements as if he were an authority.

    Incidentally, there was a followup show in “Today” where Katie Couric interviewed a professor of psychiatry, who concurred with Tom Cruise on several points – including the dangers of many of these meds, and the fact that “chemical imbalance” is just a theory with no documented medical proof.

    Also, Trixie, TC did not claim that he cured himself of dyslexia through a reading program. He claimed that HIS personal symptoms went away through a systematic method of counseling related to the field of study and learning, available in Scientology.

    You espouse the “special ed” approved methods. That is YOUR call. He has the right to espouse other methods. No need to trash him for doing so.

    The shield that “it’s all for the kids” is a common excuse the shrinks use to promote the drugging of children. It is not the intention of Scientologists to make less of the problem, both in the case of PPD and in the case of learning disabilities – but it IS the intention of Scientologists to raise questions about the shrink’s “solutions” to these problems. See http://www.fightforkids.org

    Yes, Trixie, TC did donate significant amounts of money to both an education program and to a Detox program for firefighters in NYC. Since he truly believes, based on his own experience, that the best methods for solving these things are in Scientology, it makes sense he would contribute to these solutions. It is his money and his prerogative.

    Why would you be offended at someone donating his time and money to a good cause?

    TC could easily just bask in his fame and do nothing for society. He is instead trying to better things. I am sorry if he is not doing this in your accepted terms. But you appear, to me, a bit narrow minded and judgmental.

  • noname

    Gypsyman clearly does not have an objective and non-biased view on Tom Cruise and his comments, as made very evidenct in his not-too-nice comments about Scientology.

    As a Scientologist myself I can tell you that there have been countless testimonies and success stories from people that have been helped a lot from Scientology, which ranges from being suicidal and on drugs to just feeling better and doing better in life. I know people who help people get off psychiatric drugs and actually CURE the condition for which they were taking drugs. Now what is wrong with that, I ask? It’s no surprise that when people get off psychiatric drugs and apply Scientology that they get better without needing to talk to a shrink or take drugs.

    Tom Cruise does such work. He is a big advocate for a group called ABLE. I won’t go into the details but basically it is a group that uses a study technology developed by L. Ron Hubbard and has proven very effective. I use it myself and have no doubt that I can very easily outdo these hypocritical nay-sayers in absorbing, understanding and applying data, not just memorizing it long enough to write the answers on a test.

    Regarding that, Tom Cruise isn’t saying people with dyslexia or learning disorders should be ashamed as the commentor “Greg” would have us all believe. Tom simply said that it was just another kind of study trouble that is not at all like the media and shrinks would have us believe. I mean, if he and countless others have gotten better through a “Scientology-approved” program what’s wrong with that? No one’s complaining. What exactly are you mad about? I mean, seriously, it makes no sense. He didn’t step on anyone’s toes and force something upon them. As a matter of fact, in Scientology you CANNNOT under any circumstances do any sort of auditing or other Scientology procedure on someone without their willingness. It is considered suppressive and violates policy, and if done only creates bad effects.

    I read about the Volunteer Ministers tent he had set up on the “War of the Worlds” set and no one complained about it, not Steven Spieldberg nor Paramount Pictures, so, again, how was “pushing” his religion on someone? He didn’t force anyone in there. How would that do anyone any good?

    As far as the costs of Scientology, for one, if you cannot afford a service they can often make arrangements so that you can receieve some service. I personally heard someone asking another person in a church if they could audit someone because that person could not afford it. The person agreed. Also, it’s not like they ask you to put a second mortgage on your house or anything to afford services. If you can’t afford it you can’t afford it. There’s no forcing you to do anything you don’t want to do. And one very important point, I’ve never heard of Scientology making someone poor. Quite the opposite. I’ve heard of people becoming more financially successful and more able to pull in money that before they took up some service, because Scientology is designed to help you in ALL aspects of life. My parents can attest to this personally.

    If you wanna attack Tom for his comments on “The Today Show”, that’s one thing. But when you bring up your hatred for his religion as a basis for your argument, I cannot respect you or your opinions as I could with someone more logical and un-bigotted even if they were wrong.

    But that is a good point that there wasn’t nearly as much attention put on the follow-up interview with Couric and that Harvard professor. In fact, I will look into that now.

    As for Tom, I’ve only heard good things from others about him with exception to this “Today Show” and Katie Holmes thing. The latter of which is frankly nobody’s business because they are 2 consenting adults and at least they’re not getting married on a reality show (Rob and Amber, two attention whores, can piss off).

  • KYS

    Noname, TC certainly DID step on somebody’s toes. He publicly denounced Brooke Shields for pursuing medical treatment for a documented disorder- which she publicly claims to have helped her. That is despicable.

  • noname

    He expressed his disagreement on how she chose to deal with a problem she had. Please elaborate on your comment.

  • nugget

    humanism, pfft. It’s as if Hubbard interpreted Aldous Huxley’s ideas as handy advice for that coveted social durability. “Hey good idea Aldy! Splendid! Savages are crazy. All that pain and stuff sux!”

  • noname

    Yeah, I must say, Trixie77 REALLY twists words around, like, ridiculously.

  • noname

    Does anyone understand what the h*ll nugget is talking about? I sure don’t.

  • http://www.happierlife.org David Barrington

    Revisitng this Blog thread.

    Tom Cruise did not attack Shields. He very strongly emphasized that Shields was irresponsible for promoting a psych drug in her book WITHOUT any statement as to negative side effects. There is ample evidence of the downside. Shields went into a psychotic spin when she tried to quickly get off the habit-forming drug. She then went back onto the drug and started a slow withdrawal process.

    UPDATE, UPDATE
    CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY & GERMANY

    For the first time in the entire history of Germany those in power are now required to make their files available to any citizen requesting docuemnts through the newly passed Freedom of Information Act.

    Getting Germany to have an FOI was a mulit-year, extensive project by the Church of Scientology.

    This is a HUGE achievement.

    A similar project has been started in France.

    L. Ron Hubbard and the CofS were instrumental in spearheading the FOI Act established in the US.

    David Barrington
    http://www.HappierLife.org

  • noname

    I didn’t know about that psychotic thing Brooke Shields went through while trying to quickly get off the drug. It’s not surprising though. I must also agree it too is very irresponsible.

    That’s a big misconeption people have when someone goes off their meds; they think the person went psychotic because they didn’t take the meds they were on and the symptoms the meds were designed to suppress resurged, when it’s actually caused by withdrawal. You can see this on TV shows all the time, such as “Law & Order” (great show by the way, mostly the original). Psychiatrists and psychologists and other doctors seem to make little mention of this though. I wonder why….

    I really must comment on Trixie’s comments though, as she just totally twisted Tom’s words around to suit her own purpose, whatever that may be. I mean, she thinks he said there’s no such thing as Dyslexia even though he still today says he was cured of it, using the actual word “Dyslexia”. I have no respect for that.

    People need to stop looking what who says what and start looking and RESULTS. Your psychiatrist says you have a mental illness and need to go on this medication. You take the medication and your symptoms go away, but 6 months later they come back and the doctor increases your dosage. Another 6 months later and they come back. Does it look like the medication is working? On top of that, you may notice other side effects, such as headaches, dizzyness and a sort of “not there” kind of feeling. Something’s not right here.

    Psychiatric and psychological programs have increased many times over and have been made more available for all types of people of all ages, and there has been more research done and more money spent into these (programs and research) than ever before in history. Yet look at how the problems only worsen. If they said they didn’t have the answers and were more (gasp) HONEST about their so-called science then that would be another thing, but they’re not. They say it works and they have the power to help, yet the good they do is actually very little.

    Don’t listen to Tom Cruise if you don’t want to, but at least have the integrity to observe what’s happening around you and with you yourself if you are on psychiatric/psychological treatment.

    One other thing to gypsyman: I don’t know if this is what you meant, but it sounds like you’re saying Scientologists promised you results if you took up Scientology training and auditing. That is out policy and something they don’t do, so you either misunderstood them or, more likely, you are twisting words around or flat out putting them in their mouth to further whatever negative cause you have. Saying Scientology CAN help you and answer your questions in life is something they might have said, and that is true and within policy.

    These people are not “ambulence chasers” who promise you miracles, so stop spreading such hate-filled garbage like that.

  • Dee

    In a Nutshell

    The Church of Scientology is a vicious and dangerous cult that masquerades as a religion. Its purpose is to make money. It practices a variety of mind-control techniques on people lured into its midst to gain control over their money and their lives. Its aim is to take from them every penny that they have and can ever borrow and to also enslave them to further its wicked ends.
    It was started in the 1950s by a science fiction writer named L. Ron Hubbard in fulfilment to his declared aim to start a religion to make money. It is an offshoot to a method of psychotherapy he concocted from various sources which he named “Dianetics”. Dianetics is a form of regression therapy. It was then further expanded to appear more like a religion in order to enjoy tax benefits. He called it “Scientology”.

    Scientology is a confused concoction of crackpot, dangerously applied psychotherapy, oversimplified, idiotic and inapplicable rules and ideas and science-fiction drivel that is presented to its members (at the “advanced” levels) as profound spiritual truth.

    The Harm it Does to a Person
    The results of applying their crackpot psychotherapy (called “auditing”) is to weaken the mind. The mind goes from a rational state to an irrational one as the delusional contents of the subconscious mind are brought to the surface and are assumed to be valid. It also makes a person more susceptible to suggestion since it submerges the critical thinking faculties of the mind into a partial subconscious state. It results in a permanent light hypnotic trance and so from thenceforth that person can be more easily controlled. The person will, to a much greater extent, believe and do whatever they are told. And of course this is used to the full in persuading them to hand over further money and dedicating themselves further to the cult.
    The results of applying their oversimplified and inapplicable rules in life is to lose the ability to think rationally and logically. A person loses the ability to think for themselves and so they lose the ability to challenge incorrect ideas. This makes them easier to control. It also isolates and alienates the person from society so that they withdraw from normal society and into their “Scientology” society. This further increases their susceptibility to the influence of their group. They end up being afraid of society, believing all society to be controlled by a group of drug companies, psychiatrists and financiers all of whom report to more remote masters. In other words they are in a state of mass paranoia. They therefore avoid reading newspapers and the like since they fear it will disturb their safe Scientology world. It is a downward spiral into madness.

    The science fiction content of Scientology is revealed to them after they have reached the state they call “Clear”, meaning freed from the aberrations of the mind. However, perhaps “brainwashed” would be a more applicable word to describe the mental state of someone who has survived the near entire delusional contents of their subconscious mind brought to the surface and presented to them as “truth”. On the “advanced” levels (called OT levels) above the state of “Clear” they encounter the story of Xenu. Xenu was supposed to have gathered up all the overpopulation in this sector of the galaxy, brought them to Earth and then exterminated them using hydrogen bombs. The souls of these murdered people are then supposed to infest the body of everyone. They are called “body thetans”. On the advanced levels of Scientology a person “audits out” these body thetans telepathically by getting them to re-experience their being exterminated by hydrogen bombs. So people on these levels assume all their bad thoughts and faulty memories are due to these body thetans infesting every part of their body and influencing them mentally. Many Scientologists go raving mad at this point if they have not done so already.

    The “Ethics” Trap
    On the surface the Church of Scientology seems reasonable. The insane content of it is only revealed to a person when the early stuff has done its work and made them more susceptible. After a short while a person “believes” that Scientology is doing them good. They are then persuaded to help their new-found group further by donating money and/or working for the organisation for almost no money. Many people do exactly that.
    “Ethics” is used to good effect to trap a person. A person’s natural tendency to do good is worked upon. Yes – they want to be more ethical, but what is ethical? This is where a clever trick is pulled! “Ethics” is redefined by Scientology in such a way that to be ethical is to be a better Scientologist and obey the “church”. Young people, not yet made cynical through the machinations of life and politics, are very keen to contribute to the world and to be ethical. So the “ethics” trick works easily into persuading them to join the “church”. Many of them join an elite group called the “Sea Org” where they become brainwashed slaves. There they work a hundred hour week for almost no pay. There they are subject to every cruel whim of their masters. It is a living hell that they endure because of the conditioning they have received and this now perverted sense of ethics that they have accepted. The “Sea Org” is the ultimate in brainwashed slavery. They are expected to work harder and harder to achieve ever higher targets of production. If they fail to meet their targets there are various penalties. One of them is to be put onto a diet of beans and rice and to miss sleep. Another is to be sentenced to a period on the RPF (Rehabilitation Project Force). This is the equivalent to “hard labour”. Such is the extent of their brainwashing that they actually write “success stories” when they complete their sentences.

    Brainwashing Bites Back
    There is no doubt at all that L. Ron Hubbard incorporated brainwashing techniques into Scientology to put people under his control. He even wrote a “brainwashing manual” which is still in existence today. However there was a cruel twist in his scheme. He fell victim of it himself. In creating his devoted slaves, the Sea Org, he created an audience that believed every word he said. Now L. Ron Hubbard had an over-active imagination plus delusions of grandeur. The negative feedback he would obtain by being part of normal society was replaced by the positive feedback from his devoted followers. Through this his imagination got the better of him and combined with his delusions of grandeur, his thinking became increasingly bizarre which, on acceptance, led on to more bizarre thinking and the idea that he and Scientology had the job of saving the entire universe He wanted to take over the world in order to further Scientology’s aims to save the universe and so branches of Scientology were set up to try to influence governments and gain positions where they could influence to world to a high degree. So what started out as a mass confidence trick backed up with brainwashing became a monstrous and insane organisation with fantastic, fanatical ideals. Because of this change, the Church of Scientology survived the death of their founder. It is like a runaway monster machine that tramples on society and peoples lives that is very difficult to stop.
    Stop the Monster
    The whole machinery called the “Church of Scientology” needs to be jammed somehow so that more people do not get sucked in and the people already in it have a chance to get out. We must not forget the people already in this “church”. Although they are the ones perpetrating this crime they are also the victims. They need our help as well.
    And here we come to the “War on the Internet”.

    The War on the Internet
    The “War on the Internet” is the war between the Church of Scientology and Internet users who copy their documents and post them on the Internet.
    The people who are copying their material and webbing it are using the huge accessibility of the world-wide web to get information out to people to warn them of the insanity and danger of this cult. They are doing it for the public good. The hope is that if they can get this information out to the public and make it broadly known then people will be forewarned and will not join the cult. If they can starve the cult of new members in this way then the whole organisation may collapse and then the existing members can be helped to return to society. But of course the people within the cult believe only their own founders interpretation of things so they use every means they can to stop this. Usually the method they use is harassment through lengthy and expensive legal processes. Sometimes it is physical harassment. Sometimes worse!

    The people who post and host the copyrighted and confidential works of Scientology are risking themselves to help warn the public about the dangers of Scientology. They have a strong sense of public duty and care for their fellow men. They are breaking copyright laws it is true but they are acting out of conscience and out of high human ideals. As they get broken down by legal or physical harassment more rise to take their place.

    I hope this short piece of mine is a befitting and deserving introduction to these people, the “Warriors of the Internet”.

  • noname

    Wow, Dee, that was a great story. It would make a good book if it weren’t so libelous.

    Basically, people, what Dee just told you was totally untrue. I cannot even count the blatant lies he put in his vicious and vile statement. First off, the differences of Dianetics and Scientology are well-explained and documented. L. Ron Hubbard himself talks about it in lectures and books. Scientology is basically an extension of Dianetics and there are more courses and auditing in Scientology than there are in Dianetics. Information on the differences between these two things is readily available.

    Another thing which he uses as a basic principle of his rant is with auditing. I’ll spare you explaining what auditing is, only referring you to check it out for yourself on Scientology’s website or even a regular encyclopedia, but it does NOT hypotnize a person. You couldn’t be farther from the truth! Auditing, Dianetics and Scientology principles expressly forbid any sort of hypnosis as they are all working to UNDO that very thing. The idea of auditing is to make a person become more AWARE, and hyponosis is nothing more than FORCING ideas into a person’s mind while in a partially or totally unconcious state. Auditing works to do just the opposite and there is no mind control whatsoever. It is designed to increase a person’s self-determinism and responsibility. I could keep going on but I think I’ve made my point.

    The next big part is one which I have heard before as well, and that is with Dianetics being an offshoot methody of psychotherapy. This is very laughable. If you don’t know the difference between auditing and psychotherapy, you either know VERY little, if anything, about auditing, psychotherapy or more likely both.

    First of all, in NO auditing session is the auditor permitted to tell the person what to think about themselves or their statements or to invalidate either of these. In psychotherapy telling the person what to think of himself, his mental state, communications, thoughts, ideas, etc. is perfectly permitted, and the same thing applies with invalidating as well. In fact, they are taught to do that. In auding, all the gains that are to be had are through self-realization, and that doesn’t come from someone telling you what to think or what to say.

    Another thing that is very different is in auditing the session is very controlled and exact. There is no exploring this area, then that one, then asking this or that, etc. It is very formal and precise. Psychotherapists have a lot more “wiggle room”.

    Another important principle in auditing that makes it very different from psychotherapy is that in each auditing “program” or “step” there is an exact, stated end result that one know the auditing action is completed, which is called an end phenomenon. For example, an end phenomenon might be something as simple as the person stating they feel more like themselves or something bigger such as being free from upsets of the past. It varies from program to program (or step to step what have you).

    Another difference is the reactive and unconcious mind. In Dianetics and Scientology there are the analytical and reactive mind (which you can research yourself on what exactly those are), and in psychotherapy there is the concious and unconcious mind. While these have some things in common, the unconcious mind is defined as repressed thoughts and desires a person has which affects his behavior. To quote, “The reactive mind is the portion of a person’s mind which works on a totally stimulus-response basis, which is not under his volitional (willing) control, and which exerts force and the power of command over his awareness, purposes, thoughts, body and actions.” There is a difference and the reactive mind is not a slightly changed copy of the unconcious mind.

    There are other things which I could go into but I feel I’ve made my point. Dee has stated a blatant lie and you yourself can see how these two types of actions vary so greatly.

    As far as ethics go, Dee could not even define what ethics are. “Ethics” are basically the decisions and actions a person takes on himself to create the greatest good for the greatest number. It has nothing to do with control; it is totally based on one’s own self-determinism. In Scientology a person is taught ethics so they themselves can work out how to best improve their and others’ survival, all on their own will. It is not used to force a parishioner to do something against their will. In fact, it is totally the opposite.

    As far as the Sea Org is concerned, they are not abused by any means. Yes, they have long, hard work schedules and very strict discipline with little pay and basic living necessesities provided to them (housing, uniforms, food, transporation, health care, etc.), but they are NEVER starved, beaten, tortured, etc. Take a look at them and yourselves see if they look miserable or tortured. I’ve talked to them personally and they are some of the most sane, honest and hard-working people on this planet. You may think that sounds like brain-washed garbage but it’s not. This is something I’ve personally observed and is very evident once you meet them.

    As for the part “Brainwashing Bites Back”, I’ve already commented on the whole mind control thing, which is basically the same, but Scientology’s mission isn’t to “take over” the planet. What is it then? You can read the Aims of Scientology which are posted on its website. Scientology isn’t out to make a Scientology society or whatnot, but rather to make this an actually SANE and PLEASANT place to live. Yes, they are interested in getting people to become Scientologists (something they do on their own will of course) but there are many religions that do the same thing. Look at Christianity. And if a person rejects Scientology for whatever reason, such as conflicting beliefs with their current religion or they simply aren’t interested, then they leave it at that. This isn’t a totalitarian movement here.

    And lastly, “War on the Internet”. I could understand if someone were breaking the law to expose some sort of dangerous government cover-up or other kind of dangerous attack on society, but this is far from the case. These people guilty of copyright infringement are at best imbittered ex-Church members that were convicted of breaking a serious rule or rules of the Church, which you can also read up on RTC’s website at http://www.rtc.org under “Matters of RTC Concern”. Either that or they are just bad people trying to create bad effects through lies and true data placed out of context to fit their own ends.

    There is no conspiracy here to hurt anybody. The successes and achievements far outweigh the bad news and lies spread from people who have evil intentions. If a Church member is concerned with something or has some sort of difficulty, there are staff members to help him sort this out. A lot of these ex-members posting these copyrighted materials on the internet either did not take advantage of this option or they chose to knowingly not apply the teachings of Scientology. There are no exceptions to this. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be doing what they are doing.

    So in short, Dee is full of sh*t and his allegations can easily be disproven. Don’t listen to him. Just go and find out for yourself.

  • http://www.mondoirlando.com Aaron, Duke De Mondo

    regarding the “truth” concerning the effects of anti-depressants etc, the whole is-there isn’t-there “chemical imbalance” and the like;

    i’m on such medication, an have been for 6 years or thereabouts, although it’s pretty much next-to-nothing now. a glance back in the direction of the weeping shambling wreck of three years ago, an the person i am now, i gotta say, it quickly erases any thoughts i might have about “are they lying?” or “is this doing me real harm??”. i’ll happily live in ignorance of the truth of it all, going on the results i got. i KNOW i needed them, and i doubt i will do much longer. the PHD’s been wittlin them down for the past while.

    also, any experience i had in establishments were one might find a plentiful supply of psychiatric doctors, it’s been a case of tryin everythin BUT strong anti-depressants first of all. some folks, i think, would have a fella believe that all these doctors wanna do is dope a man demented first chance they get. A man had to PROVE his mania before they got anywhere near chemical on him.

  • MorpheusX

    For the record, let me say that I myself am not a Scientologist and have only done a cursory examination of what their beliefs, methodologies and systems are.
    I think it’s silly to sign off on an entire system of beliefs and doctrine (a.k.a. religion) just because some or much of what they espouse is valid and sound.

    But I will readily acknowledge truth when it’s told.

    I’m into self improvement. I’ve done a few of Anthony Robbins programs and can tell you emphatically that they have changed my life and the lives of those people who have tried it (friends and family). So I know it works. However, even throughout his very own program, Tony Robbins repeatedly tells you that if the things he says makes sense to you, use them, but if doesn’t ring true for you, toss it out. Only use the parts you think are useful.

    That’s where I think Scientologists go wrong. They are forced into buying into an entire system of doctrine and dogma along with great tools and information because it’s a package deal. They can’t choose a la carte.

    However, much of what Scientology has to say on the field of psychiatry as a whole and its methods is right on the money.

    At the core of Tony Robbins’ programs is the science of Neuro Linguistic Programming, quite possibly the greatest breakthrough in deciphering how the mind works, how it’s programmed and how to deprogram it and install your own “software” in order to achieve anything, make any changes you want, as if you were the software designer or programmer.

    All manner of psychological issues that are conventionally treated with dangerous drugs or years of virtually useless couch sessions with a shrink are CURED via simply understanding how the mind works, how memories are stored and emotions anchored into them and how the body deals with those mental issues and the subsequent range of symptoms that can occur.

    We’re not talking curing minor mental issues here, either. We’re talking multiple personality disorder with the identities running into the mid double digits. NLP can reintegrate the personalities in MINUTES(!!), not years and without drugs or locking them away in a loony bin.

    And yet, NLP is not a religion, doesn’t require a leap of faith, and some of the underlying mechanics of it have been used in varying degrees by many other forms of therapy (including Scientology).

    Simple concept really.
    First understand how the machine works.
    Find the bad part.
    Fix it.
    Machine runs fine again.

    It’s how we repair engines, but yet, we don’t take the approach to the human engine of the brain the same way.

    We let a bunch of guess-workers with degrees muck around in our minds, stirring up painful memories without any tools to fix them, and then let them dope us up so we don’t feel the pain.
    Pain exists for a reason. It’s a message that there is a problem that needs to be addressed – usually that we’re doing something wrong.

    Medication simply tries to make the pain/symptoms go away, but doesn’t bother addressing what’s CAUSING them.

    Tom Cruise and Scientology happen to have gotten this one right.
    Those that like their comfortable crutch of numbing drugs (addicts) and the pharmaceutical companies (drug pushers) are fighting tooth and nail to preserve the status quo.

    Drug companies have seduced and co-opted the psychiatric profession. And when Big Pharma realized that even in psychiatry, there were too many people who, in good conscience, could not recommend and chose not to prescribe drugs to their patients, they bypassed them altogether and began marketing these drugs directly to the American public, like new lemon scented dish washing detergent. Guaranteed to wash away all your problems – and leave you smelling lemon fresh, too!

    One of the things that I’ve learned from my self improvement travels is that the reason people use drugs is to effect a change of emotional state from negative to positive. I’ll refer to it as a “state change” going forward.

    Everyone’s tastes in state change inducers is different, hence the phrase “picker your poison”.
    For some people, when they are depressed, frustrated, angry, overwhelmed, etc. and need a state change, instead of listening to the message that those emotions are conveying and taking the appropriate action to address them, they turn to alcohol. Others turn to narcotics. Others to violence. Others to religion. Sadly, since it’s readily accessible and legal, most Americans turn to food.

    Ever wonder why Americans are the fattest people on the planet? It’s not just the high fructose corn syrup, partially hydrogenated oils and M.S.G. That’s the icing on the cake.
    It’s the acidic culture that we American’s live in that burns us out and eats us alive, so we turn to things that help us cope with the pain of life by numbing ourselves . Stuff your face with comfort food and you WILL feel better immediately.
    Your kids acting up due to boredom, little or no parental interaction, unsatisfying home life, nutritional imbalances from too much junk food, too much sugar, or their brain chemistry being mucked around with by toxins and other chemical additives in American food? Drug ‘em. Pump them full of Ritalin, Lithium, whatever. Anything to shut them up.
    Tough day at work? Next door neighbor just bought a new car and you still drive a Pinto? Pop a Zoloft. Wife having an affair with the young mail man? Pop a Paxil. And a Viagra. Show her you still got it!

    Whether you call them food, narcotics, alcohol, prescription medication or whatever you wish, they are still all forms of “drugs”.

    Which drug is right for you? Don’t ask your doctor or pharmacist…

  • noname

    MorpheusX brings up a good point regarding how the drug companies began marketing to the American public directly when doctors couldn’t conscientiously prescribe them.

    Though MorpheusX may know this, he didn’t bring up the point about how the drug companies manipulated the FDA.

    Before I go on, let me just say I hate politics–not because of what they are but because of how they are run and what the saying “it’s all politics” or other similar sayings mean (it obviously comes from how bullsh*t politics are)–and certain big businesses. These big businesses are linked to politics and they are all about the bottom line, no matter what the expense. A good example is the oil industry. Big Pharma is also an example of this.

    Anyway, Big Pharma did and still do all they can do make their drugs look safe and effective. They use selective testing and their “politics” to get their drugs on the market. Don’t you find it a bit odd that after ALL these years that anti-depressants have been on the market they come out with the black label warning about the possible side effect of suicide? This has been known for years. It is nothing new.

    Big Pharma has its hands deep into the pockets of politicians and other officials. They have powerful lobbyists that are good at making these drugs sound good.

    I must say that although I don’t know the exact ratio of overweight/obese people that eat for emotional reasons, I personally think that a lot of the poor eating habits out there are done out of convinience and economic reasons. The “emotional eating” is more sympathetic and marketable, and generally more entertaining. Look how many “emotional eaters” get on talk shows.

    But I feel at leat a lot of it if not most of the unhealthy eating is done because crappy food is often easier to prepare, less expensive and tastes good. Think about it. A box of macaroni and cheese costs less than a couple pounds of most kinds of produce. And McDonald’s is a lot cheaper and quicker than a sit-down restaraunt that serves real food. Also, a lot of this food, like pizza, tastes better than healthier food, such as broccoli.

    I myself will admit this is the reason I eat bad food. I’m not a terrible eater though (I could be better of course) and I am trying to improve my diet though.

    But back to the drug issue. What they claim these drugs are for are to make it easier to treat the person by suppressing their symptoms. That seems logical and it might work, except a lot of times these drugs become the solution. Not only that, these drugs are bad for you physically and the symptoms don’t always go away or are even worsened. There’s also the side effect which can often be worse than the original symptoms. And to top it off, a lot of not most of these drugs are addictive, with literally deadly side effects.

    Of the last statement, one of the things doctors and Big Pharma DON’T talk about are the withdrawal and their symptoms. You can read about these. They don’t extend just to little things like dizziness, headaches, nausea, etc. They are often things like mania, suicidal ideation, psychosis, etc. This is the reason why a lot of people go insane when they aren’t on their meds, such as Andrea Yates.

    Another proof at how ineffective these drugs are is when the person gets worse after taking them. I mean, if this is the cure shouldn’t they actually start to be cured?

    But even if they do their job and suppress the symptoms so the person can REALLY be cured, they still don’t have consistently effective other treatments. Usually what they do is psychoanalysis or counseling, which to my knowledge is just a looser form of the prior. There are many stories of people having little to no success with this and wind up quitting.

    I will say there are people who get better with this, but the reason for this is often (if not always) because they have someone to talk to. It’s not necessarily the analyzer’s or counselor’s advice or evaluation but the fact that sometimes a person can realize the solution to their problems just by talking about it without any real input from the other person.

    We live in a very materalistic society where the search for spiritual and mental improvement (which goes beyond just “learning things” and gaining knowledge) has been all but completely smothered. We look to the easy cures and quick fixes. This is partially to be blamed for our frequent use of drugs, but these aren’t the answer, and psychotropic drugs certainly aren’t by a long shot.

  • http://www.lermanet.com Rons Thetan

    here

    ‘The part which really made my jaw drop was what he disclosed here: “Tom Cruise became psychotic during a secret Scientology initiation in which one is told that rather than being one person, one is composed of thousands of aliens from all over the universe fighting for control of your body. After completing this initiation, known as OT III, Tom appeared sickly with black circles under his eyes and pasty skin. He said he wanted to be away from Scientology for good. He just wanted to go back to Hollywood and his home and be left alone by Scientology. This would not happen; David Miscavige ordered Cruise could not be let go. Scientology worked on Cruise day and night until he finally returned to Scientology.”‘

    here

    The death of L Ron Hubbard

    “The Church of Scientology is loudly voicing their strong resistance to what they call “psych drugs”. It is therefore ironic that the founder of Dianetics and Scientology, L Ron Hubbard, was taking a “psych drug” when he died. This is not unusual in itself, since bitter old men often go psychotic when dying. Witnesses testified that Hubbard died acting like a raving lunatic.”

  • Bennett

    Please make your links clickable, or bury the first link under some text so that it doesn’t mess up the columns.

    Thanks!

  • noname

    Man, what fantastical tale will these people come up with next?

    Give me a break.

  • Eldon

    Here is the URL of a blog journal entry a lady posted recently that broke my heart. It is the first instance I’ve read of where someone actually took Tom Cruise’s crackpot advice.
    http://journals.aol.com/mnchickluvsocc/BrandiesWorld/entries/370

    This is dangerous and very sad, because this is not a drug anyone should stop taking overnight. If they do, they flip out.

    Cruise’s advice would be criminal if it weren’t a “religious viewpoint.” I’m not kidding. If a professional psychotherapist who couldn’t prescribe drugs did this (psychologists not being MDs like psychiatrists), he would lose his license and could go to jail for it.

  • noname

    Tom’s advice isn’t a religious viewpoint. Though it is highly publicized and acknowledged that Scientologists are against psychiatry and psychology there are secular reasons for this. Saying otherwise is only an ASSUMPTION.

    Also, Tom didn’t really explain his reasons for his anti-psychiatry views. He mentioned them a little, on a surface level, but by no means did he give any real depth to them. He also never said to immediately stop taking any psychotropic medication you’re on. It is well-documented that this can cause withdrawal that can bring about very dangerous symptoms.

    Even if Tom did do this I don’t think it would be considered a crime, but I could be wrong on this point.

    But, Eldon, the thing that’s “crackpot” about your comment is all the words you put in Tom’s mouth. Maybe you should actually research the subject next time.

  • Denis

    Please look at this website

    Scientology is not harmless.

  • noname

    Wow, what a dumb link. Didn’t we already resolve this Lisa McPherson thing? Isn’t it time we moved on? Were there any criminal convictions? No. Didn’t the medical examiner change her initial findings, which sites like these like to keep using? Yes. Look at some of the sources quoted: “Barefaced Messiah” and “A Piece of Blue Sky”. Very credible indeed. Overall, very pathetic site, even for an anti-Scientology one.

  • Depression

    “Medication will not cure depression, that can only be done by dealing with the issue causing it, but it can provide relief to the patient of its crippling symptoms.”

    Wow you should do some research before writing an article for a major site like this. Do you realize that the “issue causing it” is chemical, in all cases, no matter what. Why is it so many people think that antidepressants are “uppers”? They’re NOT. Antidepressants: SSRIs, block the reuptake of too much seritonin to nerve cell receptors. Depression is caused by chemical imbalances, I don’t know what you mean that meds only help you cope with the problem and don’t completely fix it — they do.

    Learn your facts.

  • Blah

    Scientology is Fake, for one reson.

    If their techniques were so revolutionary they would have released them to the world rather than requiring that you join their religion.

    Scientologists say they are good people tht help others. Either they are the most monstrous organisation to ever exist, having cures for mny of the world’s ill nd holding everyone to the ransom of join us or we don’t help you. OR they are fake and their techniques are Crp and thus why they aren’t used.

  • Bonnie

    I think that I might fill the gaps of what you ae all discussing.
    I have watched teens and now children, adults, relatives and friends get surrounded
    with opinions of “what kind of medicine” will
    cure their child, their mother, their friend.
    I have seen the movies, read the books, listened to stories of my family about the depressions that kept women in the hospital and then medicated, and put away,
    from the depression and the immigrants…who came to this country. The people, punished beyond reason…who
    survived and could not speak about the horrors they and children and relatives have experienced. The depressions they were exposed to, were not only real, sometimes physical and mental….but stranger violence, child abuse, family abuse and spousal abuse is and always was
    real.
    We read, see names and labels on the television about this manic, this depressive, this kind person, who exploded, who died, etc.
    I thought I had experienced everything, all the Stress test levels in my life, when I start to see what Tom was talking about, over 35 years ago, when I visited Los Angeles, Chicago, Florida, and many big cities. I saw children and teens as I volunteered and worked with them….the elderly, being put away after a death, an incident at school, or a chlld who “tried drugs”….even Marjuana once, and the parents locked him away to be tested, drugged, and immobilized for years. I had teens walk up to me and ask if they could help other teens. I witnessed violence, freezing minds with medication, endangering
    peoples lives with lithium, which damages their very organs. My sons friend , hung himself in the middle of his parents divorce, recently being medicated, and no one knew. My girlfriends son, is finally playing sports, and playing video games, with himself controlling his own time on them, off of childhood medicine, excelling in college. I saw a five year old, medicated with Ritlan, now 10, asking me how can he get off? He cannot concentrate, he hates his parents for putting him on it, and his mother committed suicide, when she found out, that the hospital had tried treatments on him, with a simple signature on a line.

    Tom has studied the effects of psychiatry, and what would the psychiatrists do if everyone went to psychologists, doctors, and natural therapy? Vitamins, diet, and finding out physical cures is surveilling the country.
    Why hasn’t Tom spoke out a lot again.
    He doesn’t have to……
    His organization, will continue to help those, who say “that everyone says, “they will always be a drug addict, an alcoholic, and that it is incurable.
    With the right people that care, our children would not be medicated, our teens would have places to go to do things afterschool, our government would promote whole health in insurance, and all the doctors that want two boats, three cars, and vacations around the world, would go back to working on Weekends, would be able to answer emergency calls, and patient care would be up, money money money would not be the incentive……patient care, the oath that these docs take, whether medical, psychiatric, or psychological would be worth the 8 years they go to school, because they would be taking an oath, as Dr. Patch has already shown…..to care for the rich the poor, the soldier, the aged, the disabled, and
    the emergencies. What more better use of our money then to listen to the experienced
    alike Tom Cruise, John Travolta…..etc. No one is asking you all to knock Tom because he is a movie star…..but to be grateful, that his outburst, probably helped more than thousands of parents, patients and families…..to be reached to find out what kind of side effects, what kind of long term effect that the drugs they are allowing or forcing their children to take, might maim them for life.
    Look at some of the old stories, how people on prozac, have murdered others. How women and men, children lose their facilities…..and are now wearing a bag to collect…..because they have been on too much drugs for too long.
    There are other ways, and yes, Tom or I or anyone else, (yes, I have thoroughly studied Psychology, Scientology, Religion,
    and volunteered and worked enough to witness what Tom is speaking about. I have seen some people die, before anyone ever talked to them about what medicine COULD DO TO THEM.

    I believe in education. The money that
    people pay for Scientology , if it is too
    much, well, don’t pay it. Pick up some of those Scientology books, and find for yourself, if looking at yourself as if you will never amount to anyone, but a person,
    with a psychiatric problem……or educate
    yourself, not just about yourself, but your children……and watch those fat cats at pharmacutical companies, make money
    off of sciences NO ONE CAN PROVE. Truc, not even Ron Hubbard…..but watch your child who is hyper, play hockey, run jump and get his energy out daily, while you his parent get out every morning. Look at his diet, at his circumstances, and take advantage, of looking for the right peer, even if it is not you or your mom or husband,…priest, rabbi, or family counselor. Find the right one, who’s answer isn’t, “Let’s try some medication.”
    And sure , it is worth a try, it is hard,
    very difficult to parent any child….you will find how “normal” your child really is…..and more of us will contribute to the safe, the wholeness of this world, and our country will come back together, chld by child, teen by teen, parent by parent, and grand mother and grandfather….we will be families again.

    More than political, very open minded experienced 60 some year old…..Ok Tom, please keep educating…..and I admire you for trying to protect your family too.

  • Susan

    My grandfather was stone cold deaf all of his living life. He was a traveling salesman, who road the train. He was kind , loving, and raised his chldren, to raise their children. He was Irish and full of the “fun”, he would say.
    He liked his Scotch and would “scold” at every party my grandparents ever had.
    He never ate too much, drank too much, went to church and was charitable. We never had much, my mom said, since she was twelve,….he would lend her the money to buy a pair of special shoes, and she paid him back when her check came in. He took a walk every night after dinner. Was never fat, too thin, just right. He was a
    handsome man, who took care of all the family……if it not was money, to arrange all the funerals, weddings, of either in laws……sons or daughters….he did what he could. He taught his children independence…and when he saw other disabilities, he was kind, listened, read, and wrote letters all of his living days.

    He never took an aspirin, never had colds, he ate what he liked, but just enough. He never overdid.

    He was not only special, being my grandfather, but my friends and my mother’s friends loved him.

    He was gone alot, being a salesman and had a gift of independence. When he retired , they gave him a gold watch.

    He would advise me, when I was making, “Mountains over molehills”, and encourage, not criticize.

    He studied to be a Jesuit priest, and married my grandma instead. When she was
    bed bound, he retired and took care of her
    for the rest of her life.

    Naturally, when we moved away, and when his wife passed, he kept busy. But his letters changed, and he continued to take care of the grandchildren who were not independent, and died still writing letters…..a full life. He was a good man. I don’t know how he went through the depression, seeing some of his best friends losing everything, and he moved forward. I do know that he taught all 11 of us grandchildren, that work was good for the sole. HOwever, he attended to his
    neighbors to whom, the daughter became ill and treated with so many pills, she couldn’t walk talk or function sometimes…..he listened to her for hours, and he was the one, to go and get her from the hospital, when they treated her with treatments, medication, ice baths, punishment, forced drugs, etc.
    Her father froze. He just didn’t know what to do. But Grandpa used to say, ” “,
    take a long walk. Go read to your children. Come back and talk. Eat well, and maybe you will find no time for your troubles.

    We need to care for our children. And care for our children and teens we try.
    In the 60’s they used to say the “Reds” are
    coming. My grandfather used to say, we need to keep working, and go to school, and protect ourselves, protect our minds.

    I hope you all do too.
    Tom is reading and studying, and learning and trying to protect a few of us, I do
    believe. Help ours learn what potential they have….no not by the money, but by
    the confidence.
    Tom had the confidence to keep going, and he probably did cure himself. Remember, not everyone has insurance, has pharmacy benefits……they have to help themselves…or their families try.
    It takes time. True.

    My grandfather said it all,”Tommorrow, start again, take a walk, go on vacation, and if you can’t , HUG YOUR CHILDREN.

    Maybe the luck of the Irish, shall help you.

    Susan

  • http://orlandosentinal just me

    I have suffered from depression and panic attacks for years. I have just excepted it as they way I would have to live. After my daughter moved away to go to college, I got even more depressed. My dr. had me go on Zoloft. That was 10 yrs ago. Today, I am no longer depressed, I no longer suffer from horrifying panic attacks. I am happier now than I have been in my life. I had a wonderful childhood. I have a great life and a wonderful husband of over 35 yrs. My father, also suffered from the same symptoms that I have, but in the past we didn’t know about panic attacks. His way of getting thur it was alcohol, which ended his life at the age of 50. I only wish he could have been treated like I have. So, if you don’t want to take drugs, don’t. If you want to believe in xenu, then do..The one thing you can’t do is force someone to stay in a cult by keeping them locked up..you can’t make their families stop talking to them, you can’t try to ruin their lives, because they don’t agree with you. That is the big difference between real religions and cults. I don’t know of any religion that forces you to attend, or make you pay to learn about their beliefs..

  • Jan

    “In March 2004 his publicist of 14 years, Pat Kingsley, resigned. Cruise replaced her with his sister, fellow Scientologist Lee Anne DeVette” Did he replace Pat because he found out she was slipping him meds, ’cause a year later the couch incident.