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Say what you will about the Ron Paul campaign – and I've had my concerns – they do have some cool ideas for promoting the candidate. I'm not talking about the endless spamming of online discussions with half-literate stammered declarations of love for their 73-year-old guru. That's more annoying than clever.

 But someone with a brain came up with the logo. It's simple and clever and ever so eyecatching. It actually reminds me of the Ben Shahn dove poster for the McCarthy campaign in '68.

Now, in another coup of creative marketing, supporters have launched the Ron Paul Blimp. Yes, it's a real blimp which seats up to 12 people plus the flight crew, can fly at about 65 mph and is 200 ft long, with big visible sides for displaying messages like "Who is Ron Paul?" and "Google Ron Paul" and the previously mentioned eyecatching logo. The blimp launched on friday from an airfield in North Carolina, after having been delayed for several days because of the weather. Live video of the launch didn't go live, but is now available on justin.tv. The plan is for the blimp to tour South Carolina and then head north to catch some exposure at the Cowboys-Redskins game in DC and then on to New Hampshire for the January 8th primary. Originally the blimp was scheduled to attend the December 16th Boston Tea Party campaign event in Boston but the weather may be making that appearance iffy.

Like so much that goes on in his campaign, Rep. Paul has no direct involvement in the blimp effort, which is being masterminded by Bryce Henderson and Trevor Lyman of Liberty Political Media, the guys behind the one-day $4.2 million fundraising miracle called the 'money bomb' which they pulled off earlier this month. They're raising money independently of the campaign and have a deal with a pro-Paul blimp company for a discounted price of $350,000 for a month of flight time. Right now it looks like they've raised $250,000 from donations which will give them at least 2 weeks of flight time if the weather ever cooperates.

Presumably some additional money will be needed for legal fees, because this sort of entirely private effort originating from a group which is not a registered PAC or 527 non-profit may attract the ire of campaign findance regulators. They're exploiting a loophole in the campaign finance rules by running the blimp as a for-profit advertising venture which is not limited in how much money it can take from any donor. Presumably, sponsors get some sort of advertising value for themselves from their support of Paul, but the details are not entirely clear, except that $5000 will get you a number of rides on the blimp. When the blimp takes off it will be carrying contributors, but also a lot of media, both from the new media and mainstream media outlets, and the plan is to use the blimp for maximum web exposure with live video from the cuppola.

I've got to admit to being a sucker for a blimp or for any lighter-than-air craft. There's something romantic, old-fashioned and off-beat about them. They're an ecologically friendly way to travel and look stately and elegant in flight. I've always wanted to own a one-man blimp to avoid traffic on the way into town, but even a personal blimp is huge and unwieldy and too expensive to justify, at least until the technology catches on and massive sales bring the price down. Until then I might have to settle for an autogyro.

It makes me just a little jealous to know that Ron Paul's got a blimp, even if it's only for a few weeks. If I could figure out how the sponsorships work and could justify it for my company's bottom line, you might just see me on the Ron Paul blimp. It would be a hell of a way to justify a bit of totally gratuitous self-indulgence with supporting a good cause. The blimp may be an advertising longshot, but it sure is a fun idea and I bet mine isn't the only imagination it catches.

It remains to be seen how effective the blimp will actually be as an advertising vehicle. Right now the weather seems to be working against it, but if people can see it through the snow and clouds and it can get to someplace useful it may start to attract some valuable attention. It's already gotten a lot of new media coverage and some TV and print exposure, but right now, with the blimp not going anywhere, neither is the ad campaign. If it makes it to some big events and onto network cameras, then it could be just what it takes to get Paul some of the mainstream media exposure his internet campaigners have been complaining is lacking, along with generating the inevitable comparisons of politicians and large bags full of gas.

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  • http://www.myspace.com/screwthebastards Sam Marsh

    The blimp launched yesterday, and flew across North Carolina to Columbia, SC. Not sure if this article was written a couple of days ago, but it’s out of date at this point.

  • Hector

    This is definitely an article with outdated information. The blimp is in the air and it is going!

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    As of last night when this article was written there was no video of the launch and the website said the flight was delayed by weather.

    I’ll gladly update the article if someone can provide a link to verifiable launch info and video.

    Dave

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Ok, the blimp DID launch. It apparently took them a day to get the video online despite the fact that they supposedly have a live feed. You can see the video on the justin.tv link in the article. I’ll make a note of it in the article.

    Dave

  • Mike

    “Personal attacks are not allowed.”

    No, only ignorant and dishonest attacks such as “half-literate stammered declarations of love for their 73-year-old guru.”

  • http://wwewe.com joe

    ron paul 08

    don’t believe the polls from cnn and fox news, ron paul is going to win; hes the front runner

  • Martin Gradwell

    Mostly excellent, but .. “spamming of online discussions with half-literate stammered declarations of love for their 73-year-old guru”? That’s a myth put about by other candidates who are miffed that *nobody* outside of the corporate media expresses love for them, stammered, half-literate or otherwise. OK, Dr. Paul is admired, but that would hardly merit notice if there was any public admiration at all for the so-called front runners. And the “spammers” actually spend most of their time courteously responding on-topic to previous remarks, to show that they are actually following the discussion and ar not “bots”; to counter the other prevalent myth about them.

    For instance, I will notice that the title of this article is entirely figurative, and that the article itself actually acknowledges that the blimp has flown in a literal sense. Very clever, but maybe too subtle. Still, congratulations on what is overall an excellent article, and I hope you get the gratuitous “self-indulgence” you wished for. You deserve it. And, to answer your question, I’m pretty sure the blimp will fly. How can it appeal to the imagination and not fly?

  • Eric

    Here is the flight plan website from the official website, not justin.tv

    I, too, would love a personal blimp as well as America back.

  • http://www.acmwallet.com/ronpaul James Tiscione

    New RON PAUL 2008 POSTER MUST SEE AND PASS ALONG

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    For the couple of you who object to my characterization of the PaulBots – who are certainly not representative of the entire fanbase of Dr. Paul – I suggest reading some of the Paul discussion threads here on BC with a clear eye. The level of rhetorical skills displayed is not high.

    Dave

  • Randy

    Tomorrow,the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party, should be one of the biggest RP fund raising events ever. Supporters so far have raised $11.4 million. That is nearly tied with Guliani’s $11.6 million. If the goal of $4-$5 million is met RP will have raised more than any other Republican candidate in this race. This is the power of a bunch of dumb illiterates like me who admire Ron Paul.

  • Brian

    Why would I bother reading anything else from this site? You’ve already demonstrated your inablility to report things correctly. “Will the Blimp fly?” Yes. It already launched. Good work there. “half-literate stammered declarations?” How can someone be half-literate and spend a lot of time on the internet? 1.People on the internet read. 2.They came across Ron Paul while researching candidates. Research = Knowledge. 3. Paul supporters certainly write a lot. This half-literate comment is completely ridiculous. Displaying reading, writing, knowledge and comprehension skills is actually the oppposite of illiterate or even “half-literate.” Actually this article is half-literate. You didn’t even know the blimp had launched. That was common knowledge. I put a picture of the blimp flying as my computer backgound yesterday at around noon. Illiterate = displaying a marked lack of knowledge in a particular field(dictionary.reference.com).

  • FZappa

    Stammering, half-literate spam? The vast majority of comments from Ron Paul supporters are heartfelt and well thought-out.

    I guess we see what we want to see.

  • Andrew Panken

    I’m really sorry, we are not all English majors. Of course, all of the other candidate’s supporters write perfect English and are English majors to boot.

  • FZappa

    “For the couple of you who object to my characterization of the PaulBots – who are certainly not representative of the entire fanbase of Dr. Paul – I suggest reading some of the Paul discussion threads here on BC with a clear eye. The level of rhetorical skills displayed is not high.”

    Funny that you call us half-literate, when you’re the one who couldn’t YouTube your way to the existence of a 200-ft blimp in the air (“Ron Paul Has a Blimp, But Will It Fly?”)

    But let’s move on, Nalle…

  • trevor-es

    To counter your characterization of Ron Paul supporters here is a link to a blog with a majority of well written comments.

  • Al

    Hello I’m apparently just another fanatical lunatic paleoconservative bot spamming your blog… I wanted to point out that the video feed was live yesterday though other than launch and landing it was all windshield time from a chase vehicle. In case you are curious you should be able to find it here when it’s active, try to ignore the anti Ron Paul spam… Also I might be out on a limb here but I’m guessing that the original poster won’t be donating tomorrow.

  • Mike

    For the first time in over 15 years I was not going to vote at all in the Presidential race. Until I heard about Ron Paul and decided to check out his stand on issues at his website. I am now a Ron Paul supporter, and an enthusiastic one at that.

    Ron Paul will defend the Constitution first. Isn’t that the first priority of our president? As in “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Looks like it’s time for me to Kamakazi the BlogCritic’s blimp into it? Click on the word “blimp”!

  • Jim

    Personal attacks, not allowed.
    I feel personally attacked.
    You said:

    “I’m not talking about the endless spamming of online discussions with half-literate stammered declarations of love for their 73-year-old guru.”

    But I forgive you. You’re a “little behind”.
    You didn’t even know the blimp had launched.

    So, to make amends, to me, and the Winning Team.
    Make a Donation to the teaparty.

    Go to ronpaul2008.com And make us all feel better.
    2300 dollars is the limit, if you haven’t made a donation already.

    ronpaul2008.com

  • Alex

    Spammer’s??? This myth was put to rest long ago, do you get the feeling these so called journalist wanna be’s, are disgruntled that their candidates are drawing very little grassroots support, and virtually no money?
    I think Paul supporters will turn out in the primaries in surprising numbers, they thought these money bombs were impressive, they have not seen anything yet.

  • Collin 28

    GREAT ARTICLE —

    thanks for being right on…

    go Ron Paul —
    “is there a doctor in the house?”

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    I don’t suppose any of you have really researched what a right-wing nut this guy really is have you?

    In real life he makes Bush look like a (shudder) liberal!

    You’re falling for a PR campaign and not the real man folks!

  • Irene Wagner

    OK, Dave Nalle, this article is more like it. Catchy and fun articles on Ron Paul, in the spirit of the blimp, are needed to garner support for this under-reported candidate. People won’t read more scholarly articles discussing his policies if they don’t recognize the name “Ron Paul” in the short headlines as a serious presidential candidate.

    Of those looking for a political guru: observe that big fat lump in the middle of the Bell Curve. It’s filled with people with average to below-average ability to express, in publication-worthy prose, heart-felt desires and simmering rage at injustice. We see an articulate yet plain-spoken advocate in Ron Paul, champion of the common sense with which even folks like us are blessed–it is after all, “common” sense. We’re trying to do what we can to get him noticed, through the sheer volume and perhaps outrageousness of our (individualized, not spammed) appeals in a milieu, American politics, we perceive as exclusive and unfair.

    We’re a lot like that cool blimp, only way less expensive.

  • http://www.futonreport.net/ Matthew T. Sussman

    Does the blimp have a loudspeaker that plays .. wait for it … Led Zeppelin?

  • Lumpy

    The blimp is sexy! Sadly Ron Paul is not. The whole campaign is becoming surreal. None of the followers have any idea what they are campaigning for and Paul has no idea who the people suppprting him are. They both live in different fantasy worlds.

  • Irene Wagner

    “If there’s a burr stuck in your saddle,
    Don’t be alarmed now.
    It’s just a spring clean for the G.O.P.”

  • Brian

    For most Ron Paul supporters the extent of their research is to find out that he’s the most anti-war candidate and that’s about all they know.

  • Al

    Wrong… here’s a hint.

    Reinstate the Constitution, Restore the Republic.

    Say no to big government by donating on the Tea Party.

  • http://rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    It seems to me that the Huckabee surge just might take some of the wind out of Paul’s sails. Huckabee has a similar approval rating amongst evangelicals which is also a large portion of Paul’s base. While Huckabee has political baggage that has started popping up owing to the increased scrutiny his candidacy is getting, he appears to be intelligent and articulate (his “Satan/brother of Christ mumbling notwithstanding,) and his rise above the other party candidates seems to be genuine and not to be sneezed at.

    As Dave noted in his previous post, Paul’s supporters, and Paul himself must make his candidacy attractive to a broader cross section of the Rep party if he is to have a chance of winning the nomination.

    It’s great to have supporters who are enthusiastic. But that same enthusiasm may be blinding them from reality.

    Baritone

  • Irene Wagner

    Baritone,

    Huckabee will have to share with Mitt Romney the dubious distinction of, and the votes garnered by, endorsement of the Christian Right Honchos. There are a few aspects of reality that will come as a surprise to folks who support a candidates like Huckabee merely because he claims membership in a particular religious denomination.

  • bliffle

    #19 — December 15, 2007 @ 15:51PM — Jet in Columbus [URL]

    Looks like it’s time for me to Kamakazi the BlogCritic’s blimp into it? Click on the word “blimp”!

    Hello, Jet. Welcome back. People were worrying about you.

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    Thanks Blif (:-)

  • http://rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    Irene,

    Again, I think enthusiasm is great, but it seems that a number of Paul supporters are almost giddy, eager for Ron’s coronation, first as candidate, closely followed by his ascension to the White House throne. There remains a long road ahead. Assuming Paul has his warts – what politician hasn’t – the media and his opponents will be relentless in airing any dirty laundry that exists, or failing that, making some up out of whole cloth.

    From my perspective, I don’t particularly care who gets the Rep nod. I will back whoever gets the nomination for the Dems – be in Hil, Barack, or someone else.

    All of the candidates in both parties claim to be christians and to believe in god. While that doesn’t make me happy, I have enough political sense to know that no one claiming otherwise has a snowball’s chance in heckydern of getting elected to virtually any political office, and certainly not the presidency. But the candidates who don’t wear their religion on their sleeves will get a greater share of my attention. As you might guess, it is my view that religion has no place on the political dais. For this country to survive, the separation of church and state MUST be maintained.

    B-tone

  • http://rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    Irene,

    Again, I think enthusiasm is great, but it seems that a number of Paul supporters are almost giddy, eager for Ron’s coronation, first as candidate, closely followed by his ascension to the White House throne. There remains a long road ahead. Assuming Paul has his warts – what politician hasn’t – the media and his opponents will be relentless in airing any dirty laundry that exists, or failing that, making some up out of whole cloth.

    From my perspective, I don’t particularly care who gets the Rep nod. I will back whoever gets the nomination for the Dems – be in Hil, Barack, or someone else.

    All of the candidates in both parties claim to be christians and to believe in god. While that doesn’t make me happy, I have enough political sense to know that no one claiming otherwise has a snowball’s chance in heckydern of getting elected to virtually any political office, and certainly not the presidency. But the candidates who don’t wear their religion on their sleeves will get a greater share of my attention. As you might guess, it is my view that religion has no place on the political dais. For this country to survive, the separation of church and state MUST be maintained.

    B-tone

  • Irene Wagner

    From my perspective, I don’t particularly care who gets the Rep nod. I will back whoever gets the nomination for the Dems – be in Hil, Barack, or someone else.

    You don’t know who that Democratic Whoever is yet. Thanks for the object lesson in uncritical enthusiasm.

  • Irene Wagner

    That was a bit snarky. I’m sorry Baritone. But you see the irony, don’t you?

    Now, stop raining on my Ron Paul parade!

  • http://rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    Irene,

    Oh, I can take a little snark now and again. Actually, I’ve more or less been supporting Hillary, but I wouldn’t mind Barack. I don’t like Edwards because he is one of those who makes too big a deal about his religion.

    But no, there is no one about whom I am giddy. Personally, I think its at best unrealistic to believe that any candidate is going to be tantamount to the second coming. No matter who sits in the Oval Office, he or she will still have to contend with a recalcitrant Congress, relentless media, uncooperative heads of state, and on and on. The political agendas of most successful candidates often and quickly get lost soon after taking office. All those grand visions, those great plans for change, more often than not get dumped in the trash along with all the posters, the red, white and blue bunting, the deflated balloons, and confetti. Few politicians succeed in fostering significant change during their respective tenures. The beast they feel so confident of taming while on the campaign trail, when actually confronted turns out to be a very powerful, self satisfied and unmoving blob – kinda like Star Wars’ Jabba the Hutt.

    I think that the best one can hope for is if your favored candidate(s) actually get elected, that they will grow into the job and actually move things, if only ever so slightly in the direction that he or she promised.

    You may think I am too jaded, but I think history does, for the most part bear me out. It’s true that FDR was successful in making many changes in the way government worked. But, one must remember he took office during an extraordinary juncture in our nation’s history with the Great Depression in full swing, dealt with that for several years and then became our war time president – and he was given nearly four full terms to carry all of these changes out.

    I’m not sure what you think Ron Paul is going to do if elected that will be so far and away different than most of his predecessors. I think yours and others expectations are much too high. After all, he’s just a guy.

    May I offer you an umbrella?

    B-tone

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Reinstate the Constitution, Restore the Republic.

    Sadly Ron Paul’s Constitution seems to have some vital sections missing from it.

    Dave

  • http://absent-mind.blogspot.com/ Jet in Columbus

    “Sadly Ron Paul’s Constitution seems to have some vital sections missing from it.”

    Indeed my friend, indeed

  • http://www.myspace.com/neilgregorymusic neil

    i like how people have to resort to outright slander just to spam Ron Pauls campaign.

    Look up his record people.. and not only that.. question why he votes the way he does, and look up different resources.

    Ron paul baby..

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dredgepool

    How can someone be half-literate and spend a lot of time on the internet?

    Do we even need to answer that question?

  • Brian

    Do we even need to answer that question?

    This is an example of half literate. A one line post that says nothing. If you had an answer you should have posted it. If you have nothing useful to contribute to the conversation, why bother posting? Explain why you feel people who read, write and research are half-literate. Generalizations are a substitute for lack of knowledge.

  • http://rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    Neil,

    “i like how people have to resort to outright slander just to spam Ron Pauls campaign.”

    If he can’t stand the heat…

    Again, Paul’s supporters seem to look upon him as the second coming. He’s just a guy. He’s a politician. His supporters see him as a super hero, a knight in shining honor. It’s a recipe for big time disappointment. If Mr. Paul does manage a surge, he had better be ready to watch his back. The other candidate camps and the media will come after him with both barrels just as the others on the Dem side have come after Hillary. And I still see Huckabee as usurping Paul’s thunder for a time, at any rate. Right now Huckabee is taking major hits from every direction.

    I’m currently watching ABC’s “This Week.” With 10 minutes left in the program, I’ve yet to hear mention of Ron Paul and they just moved on to the baseball/drud mess.

    B-tone

  • http://rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    Dave,

    Check out my last comment on the “Blurry Poverty Line” thread concerning British workhouses.

    B-tone

  • Martin Gradwell

    “I suggest reading some of the Paul discussion threads here on BC with a clear eye. The level of rhetorical skills displayed is not high.”

    Maybe. But I’ve seen threads elsewhere where thousands of Paul supporters have commented (it tends to happen in response to media executives trying to explain why they’ve pulled an online poll which Paul won, or why they didn’t include him in the poll in the first place). These vast avalanches of support tend to get dismissed as “spam”, but they contain as many different messages as there are contributors, unlike the boilerplate of genuine spam. And they tend to demonstrate a high degree of literacy. I’d make comparisons with the support received by the other candidates, if I could find any discernable support for the other candidates.

    Obviously I don’t read everything. There may well be some messages of support that are an embarrassment to the Paul camp. But I did find this interesting ‘confession’

    It may possibly be intended as satire, but it has a certain ring of truth about it. Certainly there will be opponents of Dr. Paul who hide their intentions under a mask of support. That’s unfortunately how politics works these days:

    ‘We´re making sure Ron Paul will NEVER win by Ron Paul Hater on 2007-08-07 10:06:34

    I and my friends cooked up a plan to make sure Ron Paul NEVER gets elected.

    The plan is simple. We flood message boards, forums and any other online meeting place with mindless, poorly thought out, fanboyish “support” for Ron Paul. We cook up conspiracy theories about why the Mainstream News isn´t covering him and “Challenge” the nest to “acknowledge him” based on things like 6% popularity in Texas or 50% in a single online poll.

    As a result, people are getting sick of his name. They never want to hear about him again and their brains file “Ron Paul” away beside things like annoying commercials and Spam. Soon, Ron Paul will begin spending his war chest, and when he does, he´ll already be a pariah online. This will spread, as people who HAVEN´T seen him online hear their friends rant about him being the “Spammer Candidate”‘

  • http://rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    Of course, I don’t suppose it matters how “literate” Paul’s supporters happen to be. If they know how to vote, that’s all that’s necessary, isn’t it? But then, that’s true for all.

    B-tone

  • Irene W?)agner

    Martin: A bunch of unprincipled illiterates they are, too! “I and my friends” [sic] cooked up a plan to make sure Ron Paul NEVER gets elected.”

    The True Confessions post could of course be pro-Ron Paul counter spammer theory propaganda. One has to anticipate that accusation as well.

    Message boards can point to the truth, but you never know the motives behind the message. Any message. That’s why paying attention to the spammer phenomenon (have we heard the LAST of it, now Dave Nalle?) is a waste of time.

    $14 million dollars doesn’t come from illiterate message board wankers.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Martin, the page you quote and link to strikes me as a satirical attempt to explain the flood of somewhat braindamaged pro-paul posters. It seems far less likely that it is serious than that it’s an attempt to explain away the problem satirically.

    Dave

  • Jacob

    “I’m currently watching ABC’s “This Week.” With 10 minutes left in the program, I’ve yet to hear mention of Ron Paul and they just moved on to the baseball/drud mess.”

    — Baritone

    ABC and others in the “independent media” would look like complete fools if they suddenly changed their negative positions of Ron Paul.

    BTW, so far Ron Paul’s 4th qtr contributions total over $15,800,000.00.

  • http://rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    Any candidate who garners a true and significant following will get air time on all main stream and most not so main stream media. With all the crap about the MSM that comes generally from both left and right extremes, I’ve yet to witness any significant bias by any of the evening news programs on ABC, CBS or NBC. Only FOX openly and regularly displays its conservative bias. CNN, and MSNBC have commentators from both sides of the coin. The belief that the major portion of the media shows an anti-conservative agenda, especially on the straight news programs, is unfounded.

    B-tone

  • L.Step

    I really don’t understand what “conservative” means any more when used in reference to FOX news… does being a conservative mean that one supports the neo-conservative view, i.e., support Bush, the War on Terror, the Patriot Act, budget-busting funding for the Iraq war, etc. I used to think that “conservative” meant, well, being fiscally conservative, low-taxation, a respect for the Constitution, etc. Now, being a conservative means quite the opposite. I’m equally lost by the term “liberal” which now suggests a nation run by empty headed idealists without a clue to the consequences of their views. Sort of like the present “conservatives” — maybe someone should coin new terms.

  • http://rapturenutballs.blogspot.com Baritone

    Typical “conservative” bullshit attacking anything “liberal.”

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Liberal and Conservative are not and never have been opposites on the political spectrum. The Republican party started out as a liberal/conservative party, while the democrats were a statist/progressive party. Clearly some blurring of those lines has gone on.

    Even the Neocons, as a group, aren’t really even conservative as most of us think of the term. Many of them are quite liberal on social issues, and their foreign policy is basically liberal in nature. It descends directly from Woodrow Wilson’s foreign policy and he was and remains a liberal icon. Most of the Neocon leaders grew up as democrats and only converted to the GOP during the 1970s or even later.

    Dave

    Dave

  • Clavos

    “Typical “conservative” bullshit attacking anything “liberal.””

    THERE’S a coin with two identical (but mirrored) sides…

  • Jacob

    Why the country needs Ron Paul…

    Washington Post headlines tonight:

    “House approves $516 billion measure funding 14 agencies, troops in Afghanistan, but Bush wants Senate to add up to $40 billion more for Iraq war.”

    “Senate Democratic leader delays consideration of bill that would increase oversight of surveillance.”

    “Federal judge rejects government’s argument that record of White House visitors be kept secret.”

    Enough said?

  • Jacob

    “Even the Neocons, as a group, aren’t really even conservative as most of us think of the term… and their foreign policy is basically liberal in nature. It descends directly from Woodrow Wilson’s foreign policy. Most of the Neocon leaders grew up as democrats and only converted to the GOP during the 1970s or even later.”

    — Dave Nalle

    What a crock.

    The Neocons ‘as a group’ are fruitcakes.

    Consider its leaders such as Norman Podhoretz, who prays for the US to attack Iran. What’s ‘liberal in nature‘ about that?

    Woodrow Wilson was a pacifist and non-interventionist who was dragged into WWI after avoiding it for three years. The only commonality between Podhoretz and Wilson is that Wilson failed to get other countries to follow his lead for peace, and Podhoretz and his neocons are failing to get other countries to follow their lead for war.

    “Most of the Neocon leaders grew up as democrats and only converted to the GOP during the 1970s or even later.”

    The neocons were not “converted to the GOP.” The neocons converted the GOP — which has totally lost its way.

    ***

    Vote for Ron Paul — the nemesis of the neocons.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Jacob, I do agree that the neocons are fruitcakes as you say, but you don’t seem to get them much beyond that.

    You see, the neocons make war in order to create peace in the world. It’s a natural outgrowth of Wilsonianism which led Wilson to invade Mexico and threaten other countries to try to force them to stop being mean to their people.

    As for the neocons joining the GOP, we could say that they invaded the GOP just as the religious right former Dixiecrats did.

    And sure, they don’t believe in basic Republican values, but then I’ve seen no indication that you do either. I’d like to see them purged from the party. You I’m indifferent on.

    Dave

  • Lumpy

    info on the blimp and whether it ever got anywhere important or appeared to any significant number of people is still pretty hard to find. Seems like a sketchy and inefficient form of advertising for a politicak campaign ultimately.

  • Jacob

    “You see, the neocons make war in order to create peace in the world. It’s a natural outgrowth of Wilsonianism which led Wilson to invade Mexico and threaten other countries to try to force them to stop being mean to their people.”

    — Dave Nalle

    The neocons make war in order to create peace just as the Nazis and Communists made war in order to create peace.

    What led Wilson to invade Mexico was the result of the British intercepting and decrypting a telegram sent by Germany to their ambassador in Mexico City. It promised the Mexicans that Germany would help Mexico recover territory lost to the US after the Mexican-American War if Mexico supported Germany in WWI.

    Where do you get what you make up? Do you dream it?

  • Clavos

    “The neocons converted the GOP — which has totally lost its way.

    Vote for Ron Paul — the nemesis of the neocons.”

    So, Pablito is NOT a Republican, then?

    Or he is, and therefore, by your definition is a “neocon” (whatever the hell that is).

    In case you don’t see it:

    “The neocons converted the GOP (aka the Republican Party)

    Ron Paul is a Republican.

    Therefore, Ron Paul (aka Pablito to us Mexican immigrants) is a……Neocon!!!!

    Gasp!!

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    The neocons make war in order to create peace just as the Nazis and Communists made war in order to create peace.

    Nothing more peaceful than a mass grave.

    What led Wilson to invade Mexico was the result of the British intercepting and decrypting a telegram sent by Germany to their ambassador in Mexico City. It promised the Mexicans that Germany would help Mexico recover territory lost to the US after the Mexican-American War if Mexico supported Germany in WWI.

    Wrongo, Jacob. Wilson’s intervention in Mexico was from 1914 to 1916 and had nothing to do with WWI, but was connected to the instability of the Mexican Revolution. The Zimmerman telegram wasn’t until 1917.

    Where do you get what you make up? Do you dream it?

    From actual history books. You should check one out sometime.

    Dave

  • Irene Wagner

    Clavos: Pablito non es el Neoconservativo!!!

    If Ron Paul’s a neocon, then I’m Cervantes. :)

  • Clavos

    Irene,

    Please go back and re-read my comment.

    I didn’t say RP was a neocon. I said that the twisted logic (or total lack thereof) of Jacob’s comment leads one to the conclusion that he is.

    I don’t care what he is.

  • Irene Wagner

    So much for emoticons, Clavos. :**( I guess the joke fell flat, but the comment was mainly a vehicle for posting Ron Paul’s address to the House of Reps on the origin and modern-day impact of Neoconservatism.

  • Jacob

    The neocons converted the GOP (Grand Old Party) into what Norman Podhoretz wants it to be…

    The Grand Old Party (?) wants nothing to do with Ron Paul. That should be obvious. Ron Paul didn’t leave the GOP — it left him and other REAL Republicans.

    Ron Paul is a REAL Republican.

  • Lumpy

    If you’re a conservative and are looking for a foreign policy advisor, who are you going to use that isn’t some sort of neocon?

    You’re mistake is in thinking that neocons are evil. They aren’t. First off they seem not to want to actually run the country which is more than I can say for a lot of people with political agendas. They just want to advise politicians and promote a pro-american foreign policy. What’s so bad about that?

  • Jacob

    “They just want to advise politicians and promote a pro-american foreign policy. What’s so bad about that?”

    Their policy isn’t pro-American.

    It doesn’t do a bit of good for me or my friends.

    How about you and your friends?