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The Bush administration said the people who beheaded American hostage Nick Berg are enemies of freedom who will be hunted down and brought to justice.

“Our thoughts and prayers are with his family,” White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan said of Berg. “It shows the true nature of the enemies of freedom. They have no regard for the lives of innocent men, women and children. We will pursue those who are responsible and bring them to justice.”

Ok, we’ve heard this rhetoric before. Bush will sic his Texas Rangers to roundup the bad guys for public humiliation.

I’m as shocked and outraged as anybody, but I would take this thought one step further. After seeing the video I’m even more convinced it demonstrates the ruthlessness of these people and the futility of the concept of bringing them to “justice”.

Playing the vengeance game is a lose-lose proposition no matter which side of the fence you’re sitting. And it’s always the innocent civilians caught in the middle that suffer the most.

For every so-called ‘terrorist’ killed, more orphans will be left behind to grow up becoming American-hating ‘terrorists’ and carry on with the family business.

It is a monster that feeds on itself, and sooner (preferably) or later somebody has to have the good sense to break the cycle. If not then we are all heading to armageddon.

Middle eastern cultures have a long, long (did I mention long) history of hate and revenge. Just ask the Israelis and Palestinians. It is a way of life for the fanatics and bred into their psyche.

They are brainwashed from birth to remember the past and hate. My God, they’re still bitter over Alexander the Great’s conquests and Ishmael taking a back seat to Isaac.

You will NOT beat them into submission and you CANNOT beat them at their own game. They practically invented it and have thousands of year’s more practice than we do.

That is the unfortunate reality of what we are dealing with. The more we attempt to bring “justice” and western values to this region, the more enemies we are creating.

It’s time to re-think this. But ‘smarter’ bombs and more civilian casualties (I mean collateral damage) is not the answer.

I have been reading mixed reactions of others about Nick Berg’s beheading video and found that they range from shock to outrage to even making humour of the spectacle.

So why is that? Was it really funny, or is it our way of dealing with the traumatic event? Are we trying to show the world how tough we are, or is it just a classic case of denial?

I know that I have been forever changed by viewing this video. This was not just a graphic image on a Play Station game. It was not Hollywood magic so I could hide behind my smugness in the knowledge that it was not real. No, it was reality in its most brutal form. A man actually had his head sawed off by a madman with a dull knife.

We are facing an enemy that hates without limit and is capable of unspeakable atrocities. Like others I wish I hadn’t seen it because it is brutally disturbing. But it was the final blow that convinced me of the madness of this war.

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  • http://www.tekwh0re.net Ms. Tek

    I downloaded the video and I cried and the first thing that came to mind was:

    A vicious cycle this will be.

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net Ms. Tek

    Oh… and I showed it to my friend and he vomited.

  • kuro

    I am sorry Nicholas Berg. I am watching your death, and I am mourning for you like I was your friend. I feel like your friend. I think that you were trying to befriend the world, and that you, through your brief and unexpectedly ended life, have prevailed.

    I wish peace and healing for the Berg family. What has happened is an outrage, and ultimately, can never be apologized for. Losing a child must be the worst pain there is. But to have the entire world focused on it and politicians using it as a bargaining chip leaves us to wonder, “where is God?” What kind of God allows this to happen? In the world we live in, how do we expect to go on?

    It is a sick kind of “Keeping up with the Joneses.” I will see your prison abuse, and I will raise you one beheading. Poker face. Yeah, I know. It is horrible, because war is horrible, and bloody in its scope, the sheer volume of human rage, not to mention bloodshed.

    But let it be known, loud and clear. There is no such thing as revenge. The word and deed exist and the idea of sweet retribution is appealing but never satisfying when actually carried out. Avenging angels/ devils/ infidels/ insurgents are never satisfied. They are always left wanting, or bitter, disappointed. Our egos are bigger than our stomachs, which can only consume so much blood and bile before it is regurgitated onto ourselves.

    What do you do in times like these? Where do we go? What is going to happen now? It isn’t a game, and since there are no ways to play, how do you stop? Does this mean everyone has to die? What is hideous, unavoidable, tragic – is the widespread coverage of it all, the way the information flashes forward in ominous RealPlayer detail to all points on the map. But perhaps, this is our saving grace. Because the pictures are gory, they are mounting day by day, the death toll is rising with a bullet, there is no escape. If you are not commenting on it, you are not here.

    What would God say? I ask my God to help us. He shrugs his shoulders and says nothing. My God is kind of lazy that way. My God takes three hour martini lunches and calls it a day far sooner than He should. He likes me to work shit out on my own. He is cool though.

    I am terribly sad for all the dead, injured, abused, Iraqi and American, military and civilian, hero or madman, everybody – because there is no reason anymore for this escalating violence. It isn’t “Spy vs. Spy.” It is human life. People, with mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers, hometowns like Philadelphia or Baghdad.

    My heart goes out for all the suffering in the world. I wish to breathe it all into my lungs, let it run all the way through my respiratory and circulatory system, and exhale pure love and ever loving compassion.

    Margaret Cho

  • boomcrashbaby

    well said, kuro. I won’t be watching the video, nothing will be gained by it, for me.

    And if you really are Margaret Cho, I can’t help but feel that maybe this isn’t the appropriate thread/subject to say so, but I want to say kudos to one of the greatest comedienne’s of all time.

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    She’s a good comedienne, although I must take exception at her co-opting the name of the single greatest rapper of all time.

    I’m talking about the Notorious BIG, otherwise known as Biggie Smalls, Christopher Wallace, B.I.G. Big Poppa. He was and always will be the greatest rapper ever, and people need to learn to respect the notorious one, not use his name in vain (im serious here). In 30 years, people will regard BIG along side of all of the musical greats like Hendrix, Gershwin, Mozart. He was the best.

  • Dave

    Nick Berg is a martyr of the US government. This is a war and any sort of resistance can be expected, especially against an opressive government such as the US. American citizens can’t deny the wrongdoings of its government over the past 4 decades. The American population can’t even begin to realize the innocent people its country has tourtured and murdered. Already in Iraq there are 24 cases of wrongful deaths of Iraqis and don’t forget all the innocent civilians murdered in Cambodia, Laos, Korea, Vietnam and southern china. Despite what the government says they are just as responsible for
    Nicks death, and they know it.

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    Jeeeze can you be any worse of an apologist?

    I agree Nick is a Martyr, and let me quickly add that his murder made me sick as it did any human who saw the tape.

    But lets address your American policy bashing. Of the countries supposedly hurt by our policy, who has been their biggest enemy? Was it the US? Or was it their own leadership? Maybe we tacitly supported their governments, but ultimately, the problems in the middle east are the result of a failure of the region taking care of it’s own. This is why you have Syrians helping to strap bombs on palestinian teens rather than build a palestinian school.

    Wake up.

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    It’s also why you have the US rescuing iraqis from Saddam. Why did we have to do it? Why couldn’t Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Turkey or any of the other regional countries threatened by Saddam do anything to stop him? Because as bad as our foriegn policy might have been at times, THEIRS has always been worse.

  • http://cranialcavity.net Marc

    Blog Bloke – “It’s time to re-think this”

    One can only assume you have done this yet you offer nothing as an alternative. Countless times I have seen comments and articles stating some valid, some not, reasons for a different path – ala Kerry – but the norm is they have only thought of the concept of a “re-think” and not the actual deed. Funny how that works, the end result is just another nonsensical rant with no solution.

    “Dave” “Already in Iraq there are 24 cases of wrongful deaths of Iraqis.”

    You do realize those 24 are only at the “investigative stage.” For the light-headed that means nothing is proven, “innocence until proven guilty”
    covers the government as well as the individuals living under it.

    You have called the American government “oppressive” Can I have a detailed list of countries the US compares with (in your opinion)? It would greatly assist me in judging just where America stands

  • Chris

    Help me understand why someone would want to watch the video?

    Was the news already not real enough? What is there to gain by actually watching it?

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    a sick stomach. I wont watch it. It’s just way too sad to watch them kill this man like an animal.

  • Shark

    Bush says, “We will pursue those who are responsible and bring them to justice.”

    More blather outta the mouth of the 21st century’s greatest blunding blatherer.

    They can’t even catch the criminals from Enron — and frankly, those monsters damaged more people’s lives than the handful of nut-bars who killed Berg.

    Or maybe our lying facist war-mongering leader should catch bin Laden before he starts strutting around threatening to add more names to his ‘wanted dead or alive list.’ What a laughable joke. Everytime Bush adds another threat to his terrorist shopping list, American taxpayers get a bill that has at least 15 zeroes in it.

    (Whatever happened to that big “Spring Catch” we heard soooo much about from the “liberal media” a month ago? “The big Al Kayda second-in-command is trapped in his mountain lair on the border of Pakistan! Expect his death or capture before the weekend is up!”

    Yawn. How did the Red Sox do?

    Has she had a facelift?

    What’s on the other channel?

    um, MTV is playing “Whatever Happened To…” and tonight, they’re featuring famous international terrorists we’ve never caught.

    zzzzzzzzzzzzz…. what’s for dinner?

    Take your ADD medicine, America.

    Gobble some Paxil and lie to yourself that being depressed is an aberration.

    Keep your eye on the swinging pocketwatch.

    Vote for your “American Idol” — at least the producers keep an accurate count.

    Say goodbye to your fake “Friends” — who loved you and cared about you for a million a week… just don’t get too close.

    “FOX NEWS: Our talking heads are still attached to their original bodies!”

    And y’know, I’m sorry for this Berg guy and his family, but the fact remains that if this opportunistic (Jewish!?) lad hadn’t have been knocking door to door in an ISLAMIC WAR ZONE looking for ‘business’ (what the hell was that about?) — maybe he wouldn’t have lost his head.

    Sometimes ya gotta say, “I’m real sorry you walked into an airplane propeller — but next time, watch your step.”

    (And yeah, go ahead and call me heartless — but I’m really just sick of seeing this slow parade of dead ‘american martyrs’ used as marketing tools for George W. Satan’s terrorist foreign policy. I’ll guarantee that an American beheaded on video gives the Cheney and the Neo-Cons one of the few spontaneous orgasms they’ve had recently from their little flaccid Republican dicks.)

    “Vote Scared.” — Bush’s 04 campaign

  • http://www.blogbloke.com BB

    The comments here are an interesting commentary on humanity in general – are they not?

    Very revealing and… sometimes sad, sometimes illuminating, and… sometimes scary.

  • http://www.gwbush.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    I’ll go with scary, in Guppy’s case…

  • http://www.blogbloke.com BB

    Marc, this post is meant to be a reflective post on our ‘reactions’ to the murder. I don’t pretend to have all the answers. I just know this is wrong. If you have the answers then I’m all ears. But please don’t tell me it’s more cruise missiles and such.

    James, please read your own comment and ‘wake up’. It’s not working bro, and it won’t work – not now, not never. You answered your own question, “ultimately, the problems in the middle east are the result of a failure of the region taking care of it’s own.”

    Don’t be so smug to think you can bring peace to a region that has thousands of years of history in turmoil. Instead of smart bombs let’s use our heads and hearts. Bottom line is it is our foreign policy that has not worked and creates enemies.

    Think out of the box.

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    “Don’t be so smug to think you can bring peace to a region that has thousands of years of history in turmoil.”

    Don’t be so holier than thou to think that peace cannot be brought to that region.

    But let me also point out, Iraq has only been in existance for the last hundred years or so. The turmoil is recent. Not “thousands of years old.”

    You say it isnt working. You might want to give it a little more time. Rome wasn’t built in a day. The U.S. took 10 or so years to complete our democracy and we didn’t have the problems Iraq does.

  • boomcrashbaby

    You say it isnt working. You might want to give it a little more time

    Isn’t that what Kofi Annan said to George?

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    And Shark:

    “Whatever happened to that big “Spring Catch” we heard soooo much about from the “liberal media” a month ago? ”

    Well if you remember there was a standoff between PAKISTANI forces and Al Qaeda. Gen Musharaaf didn’t want to let US forces in, because it would make him appear like a shill for the U.S.. So the al Qaeda compound was surrounded by pak forces and there was a siege. At this point its clear that the 2nd in command escaped. The Media then dropped the story.

    I didn’t forget. I don’t know what you are trying to say with your silly diatribe about ADD, I don’t see what Pak’s lack of cooperation with U.S. anti terror forces has to do with our nations attention span. It sucked. We moved on.

    Frankly, given the fact that the alternative, John Kerry, proposes in his first 100 days to make an apology trip across the world letting leaders know we are ready to work with them, while Pak won’t let us in to take down al Qaeda, says alot about the candidate. I don’t see how you could possibly bring this issue up as a grievance and yet still beef with the current admin.

    I also take extreme offense by this little bit of idiocy:

    “but the fact remains that if this opportunistic (Jewish!?) lad hadn’t have been knocking door to door”

    I pray to god that you aren’t making any anti-jew statements here. It sure seems that way to me.

    The fact is, Berg was playing a risky game, but it’s a risk that plenty of smart people take, like Haliburton for example. I disagree with Bergs father that this is somehow Bush’s fault. Berg was risking his life in exchange for the opportunity, he had to know that this wasn’t particularly safe.

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    “Isn’t that what Kofi Annan said to George?”

    The difference here is that we are legitimately trying to establish a new Iraq. Annan was hardly acting with the same level of legitimacy. Oil for Food anyone? Containment was a farce.

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    BB – you say:

    “Bottom line is it is our foreign policy that has not worked and creates enemies. ”

    Ok, like which policies? I can make blanket statements too, doesn’t make them right.

  • http://www.filteringcraig.com Craig Lyndall

    Does anyone have any opinion on whether the video is genuine or not?

    This link shows you how many are questioning whether the video is actually real. I am personally still having too much trouble thinking about it to actually watch it a second time, but I am curious if anyone has any thoughts on this.

  • http://www.blogbloke.com Blog Bloke

    #16 “Don’t be holier than thou”

    Funny, but it’s not I who is trying to play God in the region.

    “But let me also point out, Iraq has only been in existence for the last hundred years or so. The turmoil is recent. Not “thousands of years old.”

    I’m talking REGION here James – you know, the big picture. Who cares about the name. Call it Iraq, Persia, or whatever you want. But that’s not the point.

    “You might want to give it a little more time.”

    And how many more hundreds or thousands will die?

    Look, all I’m saying is give Iraq back to the Iraqi’s and get the heck out – pronto, before any more have to die and another generation of American-haters has been created! Stop with the bravado “we will stay the course crap” that only serves to fan the flames and promulgate the idea this is a takeover, not a temporary layover. And if that makes me a terrible peace-monger then so be it.

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    Very interesting. He is dead though, isn’t he?

    I asked the same question about timing, if this happened a few weeks ago as reported, then how would they know about the prisoner abuse (unless they heard if first hand by a prisoner – did they release any that were tortured? Do they allow visits?).

    Very odd indeed.

  • http://www.blogbloke.com BB

    #20 “Ok, like which policies? I can make blanket statements too”.

    Um… the policy of “might is right”, or “let’s show em how Americans kick as”, or… must I go on?

    I mean really. It’s a simple concept. You will not re-create them in your own image, and you cannot break the will of fanatics. And violence begets more violence.

    Reminder: The premise of this post is our reactions to the beheading.

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    Might is right? you mean like when they try to crash planes into us? Gimme a break. You aren’t stating anything, I know of no US policy of might is right. Sorry.

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    Play god in the region? We are talking about removing Saddam and putting in a new, free government. Only gods can make that decision now? The brits made the decision 100 years ago about creating the country in the first place.

    “I’m talking REGION here James – you know, the big picture. ”

    Hate to break this to you, but over the last several thousand years, EVERY REGION on this planet has seen it’s share of turmoil.

    “Look, all I’m saying is give Iraq back to the Iraqi’s and get the heck out ”

    To the Iraqi’s? Which ones? The ones that want to oppress the rest of them? This is your idea? Don’t you understand that the Iraqis that are fighting the US are doing so for their own selfish goals? They smell an opportunity, largely because of the type of handwringing evidenced in this discussion, and they are trying to take that opportunity and get as much power for themselves as possible.

    Think about what would happen to Iraq, the US and the world if we left now. Most people know better than to call for a complete pullout. Remember, that was Dean’s platform and it didn’t get him very far either.

  • http://www.blogbloke.com Blog Bloke

    This is the second post that I’ve lost over this useless conversation.

    “Hate to break this to you, but over the last several thousand years, EVERY REGION on this planet has seen it’s share of turmoil.”

    Ok, so who’s next on the hit list? How ’bout that terrorist harbouring country known as Canukistan?

    Nobody is proposing an immediate pullout. That’s not possible now is it? We are already there. The point is you are not going to kill all the terrorists and are only creating more for future generations. That is the point. I’m sorry you don’t get it.

    Get an Iraqis government set up and get out ASAP. Why should that be such a difficult concept? That should be the mission. End of story.

    Peace bro.

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    “Ok, so who’s next on the hit list? How ’bout that terrorist harbouring country known as Canukistan?”

    You’ve completely lost me here.

    “The point is you are not going to kill all the terrorists and are only creating more for future generations.”

    So every single terrorist that exists now is our fault, and if we kill them, then the new terrorists will be our fault too right? Sounds like we are in a pickle.

    Still I completely disagree with your “blame the victim” response. We didn’t create these terrorists, and we are not causing the creation of new ones. Radicalism, which was born out of the poverty of the middle east, which was begat by the corrupt governments of the middle east, is what gave rise to the terrorists. We are trying to rid ourselves of these corrupt entities in the middle east.

    When there is a free Iraq, and people are allowed to prosper like they are here, I can guaruntee that Iraq will produce way fewer terrorists than they do now.

    “Get an Iraqis government set up and get out ASAP. Why should that be such a difficult concept? ”

    Isn’t that what we are all saying (including Bush)? We obviously cannot maintain a force of 130,000 troops in Iraq for ever, so clearly, once we establish a working government, and build a security force to defend the people from warlords and such, we can certainly leave.

  • http://www.gwbush.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    “Get an Iraqis government set up and get out ASAP.”

    That’s what we’re doing. They get their gov’t, and we provide the needed security. When Iraq is stable, we leave. As Soon As POSSIBLE.

    I guess we agree… ;-}

  • http://www.blogbloke.com BB

    James I can see that you are set in your thinking and I am convinced this conversation will go nowhere. I do understand where you’re coming from because I used to think like you but recent events have changed that.

    I will try to be nice because frankly I’m very pissed off right now because I lost two posts that I spent hours preparing. I accidentally erased it when I was interrupted by your comments (not once but twice). I know it’s not directly your fault and my own stupidity (it’s amazing the damage that can be done by a simple click), but nevertheless I am shall we say a little short tempered under the circumstances and I trust you will understand.

    Although we are a little off topic for this post, I will indulge you only because you appear to have to a rather typical opinion of those who support this war.

    I suppose in your defence, unless you have actually lived outside of America you cannot really comprehend why the world perceives Americans as bullies, and why its policies have fuelled the flames of discontent and hatred.

    Nevertheless, history demonstrates the middle east region has been in turmoil for eons and we will not change that. At least not this generation anyhow. It will require the educating of generations to come. In the mean time, the killing of innocent muslim civilians in the name of a holy crusade against terrorism will only make matters worse in the long term.

    If I read between the lines correctly, the June deadline for turning over the reigns to Iraqis is only the first stage – i.e. supplemental. A complete turning over of the country will take much longer for reasons not satisfactorily explained. For crying out loud, they haven’t even set a date for Saddam’s trial yet!

    The best bet is Bush wants to stay there as long as it takes to ensure a pro-American puppet government is in place. And every time a terrorist act happens, Bush only exacerbates the matter with his tough Texan bravado speeches (i.e. “we will stay the course”, etc., etc.).

    If you were an Iraqi who mistrusts Americans, what kind of message does that send? In the mean time, more and more people die (on both sides). All I’m saying is cut to the chase and get a democratic government set up NOW, and get out.

  • http://www.gwbush.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    “I will try to be nice because frankly I’m very pissed off right now because I lost two posts that I spent hours preparing. I accidentally erased it when I was interrupted by your comments (not once but twice). I know it’s not directly your fault and my own stupidity (it’s amazing the damage that can be done by a simple click), but nevertheless I am shall we say a little short tempered under the circumstances and I trust you will understand.”

    Oy. It’s happened to me too. Frustrating, isn’t it?

    Makes me wanna carve out my next post in granite. ;-]

  • http://www.blogbloke.com Blog Bloke

    Thank you for sharing that with me RJ. They say that misery loves company. I’m feeling a little bit better now (almost). :-)

  • http://www.gwbush.blogspot.com RJ Elliott

    Heh.

    By the way, BB: How’s the health? Hopefully this was just a minor incident with no chronic implications. But a fellow BC wants to know… :-]

  • http://www.blogbloke.com Blog Bloke

    Damn… lost another post again!!!

    LOL. Thanks for asking RJ.

    I’m not yet back to work full time.

    I have good days and bad days so you can guess which one I’m having today. ;-)

  • Nixon

    As far as getting our troops out of Iraq as fast as possible, what about those who enlist in the military and are sent to be “peacekeepers” in Germany and Japan, even though World War II ended so very, very long ago? I don’t think it looks good in the time it will take to get out of there.

    And even though some of you say that you haven’t seen it and that there is no point in seeing it, I was actually thinking about it a lot today, and the idea doesn’t seem too farfetched that this beheading tape might be staged. Why did Nick Berg go to Iraq in the first place? Most of the people who go there are already working with an American company and option to go to Iraq to make more money. With him, that was not the case.

    He then is captured by Iraqis, instead of, say, an American soldier (which in my mind would be a lot more shocking, since he fights for what we believe in, as opposed to some random civilian who went to Iraq willingly, knowing the consequences).

    The Iraqis stand behind Mr. Berg, who is kneeling motionless, to read a prepared speech. They are all hooded, which is extremely convenient in my opinion, considering the man in charge, Al-Zarqawi, is very well-known, and other well-known terrorists (such as Osama Bin Laden) have had no worries about concealing their identities.

    When the time comes to cut off his head, everything gets blurry, and a man moves directly in front of the camera. All the while, you can hear Berg screaming in the background.

    The screams die out, the camera refocuses, and you can now see the terrorist cutting away with a large butcher knife. Other than what could be a small pool of blood under the body, there is no blood spurting out, like there would be if you cut the head off of a living creature.

    This brings me to doubt the validity of the tape.

  • outraged

    I’m just in shock right now. What those people did to that innocent guy! It makes me sick. But it also shows that I’m the better man, for what its worth. Because, even after what they did, I would never do the same to them. NEVER! For that reason I have the moral high ground. That I would never do that to them (EVEN the culprits themselves) is
    RIGHT! That they would do it in the first place is WRONG! Even if he had been the person abusing prisoners, which he wasn’t, it’s WRONG! I always have doubt’s about my own riteousness, always trying to see the other side. But here at last is a moral black and white, good and evil. Those men are evil, of that I am sure. And for that surety, at least, I am grateful.

  • outraged

    BTW…nixon. WTF, to doubt the tapes validity with no evidence at all is such a disgrace at what the guy went through. I don’t see you doubting to POW abuse tapes. So your theory is an american jew, teamed up with a bunch of al-queda to stage a complex hoax (fake blood etc) vs Al-queda capture a guy, kill him, tape it and dump his body. What is more plausible? Where is your evidence? Seems you don’t let the facts get in the way of your opinions.

  • http://english.aljazeera.net running dog lackey

    What do you think about this article? Interesting points.

    Berg family points finger at FBI
    by
    Thursday 13 May 2004 6:52 AM GMT

    Family and friends of slain Nicholas Berg are angry that the US government denied he was in their custody in Iraq.

    As the body of Berg arrived back home, mystery surrounded not only his disappearance but also why he had been held by Iraqi police for about two weeks and questioned by FBI agents three times.

    Berg’s family disputed US officials’ claims that he was never in US custody.

    “The Iraqi police do not tell the FBI what to do, the FBI tells the Iraqi police what to do. Who do they think they’re kidding?” Berg’s father, Michael, told reporters from his home in a Philadelphia suburb on Wednesday.

    The FBI said on Wednesday it learned on 25 March that Iraqi police had detained Berg. The agency said Berg told FBI agents he was in Iraq to acquire contracts for his communication towers business.

    The intelligence agency said its agents emphasised the dangerous environment in Iraq and encouraged Berg to accept an offer from the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) in Iraq to facilitate his safe passage out of the country.

    “The Iraqi police do
    not tell the FBI what to do, the FBI tells the
    Iraqi police what to do. Who do they think they’re kidding?”

    “Mr Berg refused these offers,” the FBI statement said. “He also refused government offers to advise his family and friends of his status.”

    A family spokesman, however, rejected the suggestion that the 26-year-old Berg turned down a US offer to get him out of the country.

    “The idea that they offered to get Nic out and he turned them down, knowing his life was in danger, I don’t believe that,” neighbour Bruce Hauser said.

    Lawsuit

    On 5 April, nearly two weeks after Berg disappeared in Iraq, the family sued in a Philadelphia federal court and named US Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld as responsible for their son’s disappearance.

    Michael Berg (L) questioned
    official US statements on his son

    Berg was missing from 24 March until his release on 6 April, when he told his parents he had been detained by Iraqi police in Mosul. He disappeared again on 9 April after telling his parents he was looking for a safe way out.

    Dan Senor, spokesman for the CPA in Baghdad, said on Wednesday that Berg had not been in US custody before or after his arrest. But US authorities in Iraq are nominally in charge of Iraqi police and the military.

    Senor said Berg was visited three times by the FBI for possibly suspicious activities, but determined he was “not involved in any criminal or terrorist activities”.

    Detention

    The Berg family contend that their son had already intended to leave the country on 30 March but that his detention prevented him from doing so.

    Berg, 26, was inspecting
    communications facilities in Iraq

    Berg first worked in Iraq in December and January and returned in March. He was inspecting communications facilities, some of which were destroyed in the war or by looters.

    Michael Berg also told AP that Nicholas’ paternal aunt, now deceased, married an Iraqi man named Mudhaffar, who became close to Nicholas. In one of the emails, Nicholas Berg describes going to the northern city of Mosul, where he had met Mudhaffar’s brother, identified as Muwaffaq Mustafa.

    “We got along splendidly,” Berg wrote. “We spent a few hours and I helped him establish an email account.”

    Berg notes that “my presence … made him more concerned (about his own safety and probably mine too) than I’ve been the entire time I’ve been here.”

    ‘Rumsfeld responsible’

    A website video on Tuesday showed a masked man cutting off Berg’s head. Berg was dressed in orange Guantanamo-style overalls.

    According to reports, the audio portion of the video, which was originally credited to the Muntada al-Ansar website,
    claims the killing was in revenge for US torture and humiliation of Iraqi prisoners by US soldiers at the Abu Ghraib prison.

    “I still hold him (Rumsfeld) responsible because if they had let him go after a reasonable time or given access to a lawyer we could have gotten him out of there before the hostilities escalated,” Michael Berg told a US radio station on Tuesday.

    Aljazeera.net cannot verify the source of the graphic video

    Aljazeera + Agencies
    By

    You can find this article at:
    http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/096E3A97-49C8-4C13-A055-EFA66A609E4F.htm

  • Shark

    Been MIA for a few days, but just to clarify for PC man:

    SHARK: “but the fact remains that if this opportunistic (Jewish!?) lad hadn’t have been knocking door to door”

    GOLDEN: “I pray to god that you aren’t making any anti-jew statements here. It sure seems that way to me.”

    I was stating a fact; not an anti-Jew statement at all. I mean, being an American-Jewish businessman goin’ door-to-door in Iraq is sorta puttin’ your ass in harm’s way, imo.

    But Golden, I’m glad to see even Right-wingers have succumbed to the PC thought police tactics.

    ffft.

  • http://blogcritics.org/mt/mt-tb.cgi/15638 Nixon

    Wow… you’re mad. I don’t doubt that Nick Berg suffered or that he was actually beheaded. I was just as shocked as everybody else when I saw the tape.

    It was more like I was offering “what-ifs.” The beheading did actually happen, but what if the tape was staged for some political reason?

  • libsquasher

    EVERY adult American should watch the video!!!

    It makes it REAL. Reading the text on a page doesn’t have the same effect.

    Americans need to SEE the face of our ENEMY! You need to SEE who wants to kill YOU!

    WAKE UP, YOU IDIOTS!!! THEY WANT TO CUT YOUR THROAT!!!

  • http://dirtgrain.com/weblog Dirtgrain

    “Have you forgotten how it felt that day. . . . If it was up to me I’d show it every day.” Whatever, dude–don’t be blinded by your emotions.

  • Abellows

    Where can I download the video of Berg’s beheading? I feel that I need to see it.

  • Stately Wayne Manor

    Abellows, I can’t offer any links as regard this
    video. But unless you are an utter and complete ghoul I can’t think of any good reason to watch it
    at all. It is degrading & violent pornography to
    the Nth degree.Just completely vile and offensive
    to anybody with a heart and soul.If you go poking
    around the internet you’ll be able to find a link
    easily enough.But again,I would have to question
    why anyone would want to.

  • Debbie

    BB,

    “If I read between the lines correctly, the June deadline for turning over the reigns to Iraqis is only the first stage – i.e. supplemental. A complete turning over of the country will take much longer for reasons not satisfactorily explained.”

    Duh, how about common sense….. It really doesn’t take much brainpower to figure out why.

    “For crying out loud, they haven’t even set a date for Saddam’s trial yet!”

    That’s because the Iraqis are going to try him, and they need to have a government and some sort of constitution set in place before they do.

    “The best bet is Bush wants to stay there as long as it takes to ensure a pro-American puppet government is in place. And every time a terrorist act happens, Bush only exacerbates the matter with his tough Texan bravado speeches (i.e. “we will stay the course”, etc., etc.).”

    As opposed to what? What would you have him say besides ‘we will stay the course’? Would you tell the terrorist that if they continue we will run away? They need to understand that we aren’t going anywhere until the job is done.

    “If you were an Iraqi who mistrusts Americans, what kind of message does that send? In the mean time, more and more people die (on both sides). All I’m saying is cut to the chase and get a democratic government set up NOW, and get out.”

    We left them too soon the last time and look what happened? Maybe that is why they mistrust Americans?

    We are trying to setup a Democratic Government, it’s the terrorist that don’t want one setup. We can’t leave them in the lurch AGAIN. We are turning over more and more duties to the Iraqis and working along side of them. They need to have time to establish themselves before we can leave.

    Nixon,

    “This brings me to doubt the validity of the tape.”

    I think your tin foil hat is too tight…. they found his body, minus the head. You know, usually, the most probable explanation is the correct one. Something for you conspiracy nuts to keep in mind.

  • Kitsune

    Hi I just want to say I’m 13 years old and I watched the video when my parents weren’t home. And I wish I didn’t. I was really curious but I hate myself for watching because I sort of feel like I killed him or something. For almost a week I can’t really eat or sleep. I cry everyday for Nick Berg. My parents know I’m sad over him but they probably won’t let me use the internet ever agin if they knew I saw it. I keep asking myself why they had to kill him for. I’m so mad they hid there faces. I’m just depressed beyond words.

  • http://www.blogbloke.com Blog Bloke

    Debbie #45:

    “Bush only exacerbates the matter with his tough Texan bravado speeches (i.e. “we will stay the course”, etc., etc.).”

    Erratum: should read “Remember the Alamo”

    “Duh, how about common sense….. It really doesn’t take much brainpower to figure out why.”

    Thanks for for the affirmation. Nice to know that you agree.

    “What would you have him say besides ‘we will stay the course’?”

    The point is however… the message that it sends to the Iraqis. They aren’t stupid and they correctly interpret it as ‘occupation’, NOT ‘liberation’.

    This is the problem with most conflict. Most of come us from a one-sided position. All I am trying to point out is how foreign policy appears to the other side. Until both sides learn to understand each other there can be no peace.

  • Jeff

    I just watched Nick Berg’s beheading video. I believe the tape is real, and I find it hard to believe that those Islamic idiots would “doctor-up” the tape to get their message across. Those awful screams, the knife cutting into the poor man’s neck–I really do not think that was made up. My heart goes out to this poor man, Nick Berg, his family, and everyone who knew him. These Islamic terrorists would just love to kill all Americans, and wipe out the whole United States out of existance if they had the chance to do so. Not in MY backyard!!! That’s all I have to say for now. Thank you.

  • http://www.aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm Independent
  • LARRY KELLER

    I am a 100%SC(PTSD WITH RELATED SYMTOMS)diabled-from combat vet in Vietnam with the 2/27th Ifantry Batt., 25th Ifantry Division from 8-67 to 5-68 (in case anyone wants to look up my credentials). Nick Bergs beheading was terrible. I wish it hadn’t have happened. But, if Bush wants to be a “war president” to avenge his dad’s loss, then the Amereicans who voted for him should be ready to watch all of the results of their decision. “SHOCK AND AWE?”. Remember that one? That phrase has come back to haunt Americans who want all of America’s war to be antiseptic and precise. It does not work that way. I’m just sorry that those who back this war could SMELL it all day. Brutality? No one army or culture has compelte ownership of it. It happens in evey war. Geneva Convention? That is laughable to those on the front lines. If we don’t want “brutality”, then don’t have one. Margaret Cho-thanks for the laughs-keep it up!!!

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    “The point is however… the message that it sends to the Iraqis. They aren’t stupid and they correctly interpret it as ‘occupation’, NOT ‘liberation’. ”

    Really? Even though we are setting up a new government for them with elections (real ones without Saddam winning 100%), even though we are handing over June 30th, even though there is tremendous pressure within for us to exit the situation?

    No, sorry, do not confuse the actions of a few with the will of the many. Just because some will take up arms against us doesn’t mean that they are fighting for their own liberation from us, unless you properly characterize their liberation as freedom to terrorize.

  • http://www.tekwh0re.net Ms. Tek

    Boston Tea Party

    Act of Terrorism
    Act of Liberation
    Act of Protest
    Civil Disobedience?

    What was it?

    The Revolutionary War takes on a whole new meaning lately. It really does.

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    how many women and children died during the boston tea party? How many people who arrived at the office early the morning of the boston tea party got a jet plane through the skull?

    Then ask your questions about what kind of act it was.

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    Did anyone lose their head during the boston tea party?

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    Its almost impossible to actually debate these issues with people who confuse DAMNED murder with the boston tea party. There is quite a difference between American patriots of the Revolution and the terrorists in Iraq. It is disconcerting to see so many people who seem to think that the actions of the two parties is so similar.

  • boomcrashbaby

    James, I agree that what is going on with Iraq isn’t really comparable with the Boston Tea Party, however I did find this quote on the web:

    …..The full text of the report makes it plain that the valuable cargo of three merchantmen was thrown into Boston harbour, which most prosecutors would say qualified as “serious damage to property” – and it is plain from the full report that the motivation of those causing the damage was to influence the colonial government of the day to repeal the Tea Act.  Thus it falls within the definition of the Terrorism Act 2000.

    source: http://www.eurolegal.org/terror/terror0.htm

    I guess it just reinforces the old saying ‘one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter’? Don’t get me wrong, I think the terrorists in Iraq should be hunted down and justice dealt, but perhaps the bigger objective question is what qualifies as terrorism? Read the first paragraph here:
    definition of terrorism
    Nelson Mandela and Yasser Arafat both went from being classified as terrorists to statesmen who won the Nobel Peace Prize. Gets murky, doesn’t it?

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    Hey Boomcrash baby!

    In my opinion, not in Arafats case. But you’re right, it’s a tough distinction to make.

    For me, the test of terrorism is simply this, are the actions for the greater good, or are they for good of the person carrying them out (or the person who brainwashed the person into carrying them out).

    If you apply this simple test to the boston tea party, well that was an act for the greater good. By contrast, the insurgency is not to the benefit of the Iraqis who NEED us to rebuild the country. Further, plenty of Iraqis die in insurgent attacks. The threads of civilization are getting attacked (iraqi police, etc). So none of this is for the greater good right? What is it for?

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    And no, the Iraqis don’t absolutely NEED us. We could leave. And they would still be there.

    Here is my prediction for Iraq were we to leave:

    – Regional rule by warlords

    – Inconsistant theocracy, no rights of any Iraqi would be guarunteed

    – Human rights, womens rights, at the whim of warlords

    – No infrastructure, schools and roads would fall apart, keeping the majority of Iraqis in squalor

    – Oil would truly be stolen from the Iraqis by the few warlords or terrorists who managed to expel us

    – years down the line, Iraq would be a haven for terrorist recruits angry that the US never finished the job – TWICE!

  • boomcrashbaby

    I’m glad that the Boston Tea Party happened, don’t get me wrong.

    Unfortunately, by applying your definition of terrorism to people’s actions, then most U.S. corporations would qualify as terroristic entities. I don’t consider them as terrorists, but Microsoft does squash innovative technologies (like Netscape), not for the greater good, but for it’s own good.

    Who gets to define the greater good for Iraq? Shouldn’t the Iraqi people (not the terrorists though)? I see so many reports that Iraqi’s are glad to see us, and that Iraqi’s want us out, I don’t know what Iraqi’s really want. Are we really rebuilding Iraq for their own good or our own (our safety)? Should we really apply your definition to that?

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    For a full picture, here is my prediction had we not gone to war:

    – Daily potshots at our forces would increase

    – emboldened by a lack of action by the intl community, WMD asperations would increase

    – Hussein’s sons would be handed the reigns before long, further creating instability and WMD goals

    – Terrorist groups and regimes in other countries would treat the UN with even more impunity than before, terror attacks worldwide would slowly increase.

    – Led by the U.N., a new era of worldwide terrorist coddling would begin.

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    Well first, I think that there is quite a difference between capitalism and violence. Granted, given actions like illegal dumping and tobacco, the line can sometimes be hard to see.

    And you are right that a large part of our reasons for going into Iraq are self motivated, we are doing it for us, and partially for them. But given that generally Americans want peace, long prosperous life, and happiness, I am ok with that type of selfishness. Frankly, I think that particular goal set is shared by all human beings, unless of course they are fooled into becoming a “martyr.”

    So our interest in establishing a democracy in Iraq is selfish, but it is also for the greater good of iraqis. Is it not?

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    Predictions for a democratic Iraq:

    – Free Iraqis

    – Prosperous nation, Iraq has the largest untapped oil reserves on the planet. And now, thanks to Bush, no Saddam era debt, and no American debt (as an aside, Kerry wanted the money to be a loan). Any free Iraq that the US will set up will work out a way to get that money in the hands of all Iraqi people.

    – Pressure on other countries to also become more democratic

    – A shining example of what any arab country could be, right now, what is the example?

  • boomcrashbaby

    It’s my understanding that potshots are taken at us all the time over there? As many as a dozen incidents a day?

    In terms of terror attacks worldwide increasing, that’s happening as well, with the Madrid bombing, and if you count all the car bombs that occur in Iraq as terrorist actions as well. it seems to me that they have increased more with the invasion than if there was no invasion.

    I’m glad Saddam is gone. I’ve always felt that the U.N. was militarily a paper tiger and useless. However I think it can have great political benefit if not alienated.

    I can’t buy the reasoning that WMD were a ‘matter of time’ either by Saddam or his sons, because after, what was it 12 years? of economic sanctions, there’s no indication they were ‘underway’. It’s unlikely Saddam was just going to wait 2 or 3 more years before beginning production.

    I agree that we cannot pull out of Iraq now. We have to finish what we started. I just don’t think we went about this the right way, and I think that conservatives who refuse to acknowledge that there have been major blunders in this strategy are as blind-sided as the ultra-liberals they rant against.
    Peace.

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    “it seems to me that they have increased more with the invasion than if there was no invasion.”

    True, but only because we are fighting them. If we took no action, there would be an increase, with no hope for a light at the end of the tunnel.

    “refuse to acknowledge that there have been major blunders in this strategy are as blind-sided as the ultra-liberals they rant against.”

    I can’t argue with this logic except to say that regardless of who is in office as president, it’s nearly impossible to plan for the outcome of a war. Especially a war of occupation like Iraq. Does that mean mistakes are made? Hey, if we could tell the future, who would need war?

  • boomcrashbaby

    A shining example of what any arab country could be, right now, what is the example?

    I don’t know, Kuwait? Turkey?

    Perhaps my perspective is different because I can see analogies in most everything.

    Reading this sentence from you, I can easily see George Bush with his arm around Laura, their two daughters behind them saying “Boom, you poor oppressed gay underdog, WE are a shining example of what family should be”.

    Meaning my perspective is that we don’t need to show Arabs how to build a nation, just because they didn’t build one like ‘our shining example’. I guess I see things differently.

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    Are you gay, Boomie? Note that I disagree with Bush on the whole gay marriage thing. Personally, if there is one issue that might be his undoing come november, gay marriage might be it. I understand politically why he is doing it, most Americans don’t agree with gay rights, and the dems are certainly eager to take up the debate. But it’s not so compassionate to force people to be hetero is it?

    I also disagree with him on abortion, am not impressed with his enviro stances (although do agree with his rejection of Kyoto), and I don’t feel comfortable with faith based groups getting fed funds unless they are highly regulated (which might be a hard thing to do in a country that seperates church and state).

    Kuwait is certainly an example, but not a great one. No country in the ME is inspired by Kuwait. Turkey is democratic, but given their motives towards the kurds, they are not a good example. I think Iraq, given its massive natural resources (both oil and people) would be a better example if we got a truly free society there, interested solely in the well being of it’s people.

  • boomcrashbaby

    Are you gay, Boomie?

    As gay as Andrew Sullivan, just a lot less hypocritical about it. Maybe that will help clarify where my perspective comes from on a lot of things. I do admit I take issue with anybody defining the war on terror from a moral perspective. When somebody says ‘Arabs need democracy’, the first thing that comes to mind is ‘who are you to decide what they need?’ (note that defending one’s self is not necessarily moral. It is common sense). If at times I seem sympathetic to the terrorists (as I have been accused of, at this site), I am clearly not sympathetic to terroristic actions, it most always stems from seeing the discussion turn from defending one’s self/nation to defining world-changing actions based on who’s morality is bigger.

    To me, fighting the war on terror is best solved by determining why they hate us. And I do NOT buy the argument Bush puts forth, that they hate freedom and democracy. That makes as much sense as saying that giving my daughter full protection/equality under federal law will undermine Joe and Mary household down the street. What they hate is something they do not want being imposed on them. I can understand that. I just don’t agree with their reaction to it.

    Personally, if there is one issue that might be his undoing come november, gay marriage might be it.

    One can only hope, but I don’t think that the majority of Americans put equality for all in their list of top 5 voting issues. So if that is the reason for his undoing, I would be most surprised.

    most Americans don’t agree with gay rights, and the dems are certainly eager to take up the debate.

    The dems are most certainly NOT eager to take up the debate. They don’t want to alienate the masses any more than the conservatives.

    I don’t feel comfortable with faith based groups getting fed funds unless they are highly regulated (which might be a hard thing to do in a country that seperates church and state).

    That’s good to hear, but I also would take issue with the statement that this country separates church and state. It clearly doesn’t, which is the whole basis for the inequality.

    Kuwait is certainly an example, but not a great one. No country in the ME is inspired by Kuwait. Turkey is democratic, but given their motives towards the kurds, they are not a good example.

    Maybe there is no good example of democracy in the Arab world. But that only makes me think of one thing: An oppressive regime might rule a country here and there, but for the ENTIRE Arabic world to not have a democracy, can only mean one thing. They don’t want it. They want to live under the confines of a strict faith. But of course, we know what they want better than they do, don’t we? Who built the democratic nations of Kuwait and Turkey? They didn’t, we did. Because we know what they need better than they do.

  • boomcrashbaby

    The end result of this is that Iraq will be viewed by the Arabic world as another Kuwait, or another Turkey or another Afghanistan. You admit, they don’t give those democracies much credibility, why is Iraq suddenly different? The answer is that it’s not. They will view Iraq the same as the rest. THAT is why this whole Iraq mess is a major blunder. The only way Bush’s strategy will win is to democratize the ENTIRE Arabic world. But he won’t be in office long enough to do so. So the most that can be gained from his strategy is yet another puppet government over there, (or what the Arab world views as a puppet government, whether it truly is or not) and even more animosity towards the U.S. than there was before the invasion. If Arabs wanted to see an excellent example of democracy, they could just look overseas, we don’t need to keep giving it to them until they finally see the light. It’s failed three times already. This is why invading Iraq was a major blunder with a no-win situation.

  • http://www.mbgz.com James Golden

    “When somebody says ‘Arabs need democracy’, the first thing that comes to mind is ‘who are you to decide what they need?’ ”

    The point is, when have they ever been given the option to decide what kind of government they want?

    People act like we are going in there and changing the popularly elected status quo. Nobody ever really elected Saddam did they? At some point at the end of this, we will have eliminated a threat, and the people of Iraq will have some actual choices regarding the leadership and actions of their country. Hopefully.

  • boomcrashbaby

    Hopefully.

    I did state that I thought Saddam needed to go.

    Since 9/11, we have gone from needing to protect America to freeing Iraqi’s from oppression. Doing one does not solve the other, rather it weakens it. Of course that does not mean leave Iraqi’s in oppression. But let’s call it for what it is.

    My posts are referring to the Arab world as a whole, not just Iraq. The fourth time’s the charm?

    Palestine is right next door to Israel. They don’t see a shining example of democracy next door, do they? Iran is right next door to Quatar and the UAE, isn’t it? Separated by a few miles of the Persian Gulf.

    I can’t see this logic applying to Iraq when it clearly hasn’t applied yet, again and again. Let’s call it for what it is, this war in Iraq is not a solution to combatting terrorism. If it truly is about freeing Iraqi’s from oppression, then we need to acknowledge that and admit that it has nothing to do with terrorism.

  • Aubra

    There is something horribly wrong with this picture.

    I don’t doubt that Nick Berg was tragically and maliciously beheaded. That’s something I won’t dispute. But there are a few things that I would like answered.

    Why were the walls in the video the same as the walls in the American controlled prison this man was working near? Why was there a chair that was identical to the one shown in the Iraqi abuse pictures that took place in that same prison? Why was he donning an orange jump suit – where are extremists going to get an orange jumpsuit – why would they even give him clean clothes? Why did it match the one America puts our prisoners in? Why did Nick Berg look reasonably well groomed after being missing for more than two weeks? Why did the men doing the beheading have pale hands and stand with Western posture – wouldn’t militants looked a little more…militant? Why were they fat after supposedly being extremists that were hiding out for a long while? Why were there huge cuts in the time elapsed in the video feed – and why was that feed in US military time? Why, when slowing down the frames enough, can you clearly see the corned of a US looking military hat creep into the video? And why, most importantly, did no blood “spurt” from his neck? It pooled on the ground, but the way his neck was cut should have produced spraying blood, or at least some blood spatter on the killer? My father (a very right wing Christian pro-war doctor) says that there is no way that there could have been blood pumping through those arteries when they neck was cut. Why did the man reading the statement seem like he was not a native speaker of the language and stumble over words and pronunciations? Why was one of the men wearing Air Jordans? They all looked very clean – not something you would expect from the type of people that supposedly carried out this crime. Why did one man have a ring on – something very much against the religion of the region? Why, during the imperative moment (the initial phase of the beheading) did the camera falter? There was no reason for that to happen if they really wanted to “shock and awe”. Keeping the camera pointed at him and not the floor and ceiling would not have been that hard.

    Like I said before – I don’t dispute the fact that Nick Berg is dead and that it is horrible and tragic. The circumstances are what I question.

    If this video is real, Bush said, “Bring it on” and they did.

    If it isn’t, the possibilities are scary.

    Someone above asked why one would even want to watch the video. I say everyone should watch it as to form an (as) educated (as possible) opinion as to its validity. It is our responsibility to not take things at face value and to explore all potentials. With something this important, I think knowing as much as possible is imperative. If you are going to pass judgment on this video, watch it first. Don’t be blinded by what the magic propaganda box tells you – from either side.

    http://aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm
    http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=80
    http://topplerummy.org/berg/
    http://www.rense.com/general52/anom.htm
    http://aztlan.net/fake_video.htm

  • Jeff

    Hello,this is Jeff again. I posted a comment #48 the other day regarding Nick Berg’s beheading video. Today I looked at my own posted comments, then the following comment #49. I decided to check those websites that were listed. Very interesting information about the video being a fake, etc. I printed out the info to show to people. If this beheading video was a complete fraud, why in the hell some sicko, and I don’t care which country he/she is from, would put this video on the internet?? Oh well, I guess people like to do sick things. One thing for sure, though, that person, be it Berg or somebody else, had died in a tragic way. That person sure look like a real human being in the video. He sure didn’t look like a department-store manequin being chopped up. I could be wrong, though. I studied the video several times frame by frame, and yes, I could tell the body was not moving while the head was being cut off. I still think that person is a real human being. Or perhaps those “killers” did a damm good job creating this well-made manequin for this sick video for the whole unsuspecting world to see. Gee, this “fake” video sure makes a great horror flick huh?? Sorry for being somewhat funny, but I’m am getting tired of hearing all the bad news on TV all the time. This is getting old. I’m sure, like you, are getting tired of hearing innocent civilians and soldiers getting killed everyday. But if we stop the war on terror now, we, as fellow Americans, could be all dead. Thanks for letting me speak out (At least I tried, anyway).

  • STEVE

    I BELIEVE THE PURPOSE OF WATCHING THE VIDEO IS TO NOT BE DISILLUSIONED ON HOW TERRIBLE THESE JERKS ARE. IF IT MAKES U SICK TO WATCH IT THAN MAYBE U’LL STOP TRYING TO ADVOCATE THEM JUST BECAUSE THEY HAD A HARSH LIFE. TELL THAT TO NICK BERG, I MEAN THEY MADE HIS LIFE SLIGHTLY HARDER THAN THERE’S JUST BECAUSE OF WHERE HE CAME FROM…. AMEREICA!!

  • JOSS

    FUCK IT RITE BACK IS THE BOY I KNOW I AM GAY AND I THINK EAMON IS SO CUTE LUSH AND SEXY AND I LOVE HIS ASSS

  • Shark

    Om Mani Padmi Om — Om Mani Padmi Om — Om Mani Padmi Om — Om Mani Padmi Om — Om Mani Padmi Om — Om Mani Padmi Om — Om Mani Padmi Om — Om Mani Padmi Om

    (just tryin’ to get motard window-licker’s comment off the front page, top level)

    Kinda like pickin’ up trash left by litterbugs…

  • Blog Bloke

    Thanks Shark. Makes you almost want to disavow freedom of speech.

    BTW, it’s actually “Om Mani Padme Hum“, not that it really matters.

  • CaliforniaStar

    Could one of you please email the link to where you downloaded the video. I would wish to see it myself instead of hearing rumors and such. Thank you.

  • balance

    george w. bush killed nick berg. he is a war criminal and needs to be brought to justice.

    george w. bush hates arabs and muslims. he wants to bring about his christiandom.

    george w. bush will never win in the long run. nature dictates balance and his evil will be negated soon enough.

  • Aubra

    To the person who asked where to find the video:

    http://topplerummy.org/berg/

    Be prepared though. It’s not easy to watch.

  • sue wiseman

    I told my husband to pull the video up, i wanted to see it……..i am so sorry i did.that is now stuck in my head and it is a horrific image. i almost vomited it upset me so badly. my heart goes out to his family. GOD bless you and protect the rest of your lives that you will never have to go through with anything close to this again in your lives. oh, and to the murderers…..death is not good enough for you.you should all be slowly tortured for the remainder of your days and then you WILL spend eternity in HELL, where you belong.

  • Jodi

    I totally agree with posting #80. Yesterday afternoon my neighbors son came home from school and rushed over my house to ask if I could pull of the site where Nick Berg’s beheading video was being displayed. So infact I did. As I sat at my desk viewing the video. My stomach began to turn and I started to cry. To think of someones brother, son, grandson, could be killed in such a manner. To me, it’s doesn’t matter what country he was from or what religon he believed in. The fact of the matter, no human should have to go through what he did. I have two son’s of my own. And my fear is that if this world doesn’t come to it’s sences soon. Just what if they bring the draft back? We don’t know what our goverment has planned. My oldest son will be 18 in 4yrs. I don’t think I could stand letting him go to such a horrible place in this world. Alot of people just have to look out their front windows and see the crime and death. We don’t have that in front of us on a daily basis. My heart goes out to the Berg Family. May god look over you in your time of need.

  • http://www.whitehouse.gov noan

    He was already dead…

  • Ray

    I just watched that video, and now I’m pissed. I hope I don’t see any muslims ladies with those f*cking head rags walking around, or I might chop their heads off. I want to join the Military now. I know not all Arabs and Muslims act in the manner that those sick mothers on the video did. I mean there are Muslims and Arabs in the US for God’s sake, we don’t go chopping there heads off. Nah, these radical muslims need to be killed off, by US forces, the GodDamn jews are not helping the situation either by killing the Palestines dumbasses, Fucking hitler was right about the jews, they do cause all the problems in the world.

  • http://www.bhwblog.com bhw

    Another genius chimes in.

  • PJ

    Destroy their diabolical religion and kill every one of them who won’t convert.

  • You get what you give

    Just read all comments and you will see how narrow minded you ppl are. I am muslim and i feel sorry for him, i guess he was in wrong place at wrong time. Bbut be logical, US kills, humiliates people daily in most cruel way. Put religion to the side. Dont you think that you will pay back for what you did, That is why it is said “what goes around comes around” I am really sorry that innocent ppl must pay the price but so are innocent ppl dying beacuse of you.. Ppl are full of vengance.

    Ps! Leave my religion out of this!