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Last Thursday an event stunned the nation and shook our military: a soldier fired over 100 rounds of ammunition into a crowd at a Texas Army Base, killing 13 and wounding 30, resulting in the worst military base massacre in U.S. history.

As a nation, including our President, and especially the many families and soldiers directly affected by this dark tragedy, mourns, and as we await the investigation into why Army psychiatrist Major Nidal Malik Hasan held Fort Hood under siege, taking the lives of his fellow officers, concerns about his possible ties to terrorists are rising. Is he a psycho gone mad or a terrorist ready and willing to kill Americans? What we can confirm is that mainstream American Muslim groups across the country have condemned this horrific event, yet, just hours after it occurred, a small group of radical American Muslims called The Brothers of the Revolution Muslim, praised Hasan for his deadly rampage. On their website, describing Hasan as “An Officer and a Gentleman,” they announced their love for him, claiming he “was injured while partaking in a preemptive attack”, and that they “do NOT denounce his actions.”

This shocking story broke as part of an Anderson Cooper 360, CNN Uncovering America report by Drew Griffin, “Homegrown Hate”, which gave some insights into this disturbing group. The Revolution Muslim group were brazen enough to place the report on their website, plus a recent forty minute audio broadcast with a very chilling and repulsive response, condemning the report, CNN, Drew Griffin, Anderson Cooper, America in general, as well as rambling on other topics and proclaiming their self-righteousness, yet declaring their hatred.

Highlighted in CNN’s report and interviewed are two converts, Yousef Al-Khattab and Younus Abdullah Muhammad, who were both born and raised in the United States, “a country whose way of life they say they hate”. They gather outside New York’s 96th Street Masque, where thousands of Muslims congregate everyday “to praise Allah, give thanks and pray for peace.” But unlike the peaceful Muslims inside, these radical American Muslims preach and recruit with a different message: “We tell you Muslims to rise up,” and the words used are chilling, “…the Quran demands that you disavow and make hatred and enmity between democracy, between nationalism, between secularism. And that you see Obama as the enemy he really is. That you see the United States as the enemy it really is.”

As you watch the report you will find more troubling the ideology of these radicals who are, in their own words, “commanded to terrorize the disbelievers.” Griffin points out that their Jihadist version of Islam is what “allows them to conclude the killing of American soldiers overseas is justified; that the attack of 9/11 was also justified; and that an attack on almost any American is justified.”

Both, Yousef Al-Khattab and Younus Abdullah Muhammad, look to “Osama Bin Laden as the true living model of Islam” and declare their for love him, claiming he hasn’t done anything wrong. They also “yearn for the day Israel will vanish” and in the words of Yousef Al-Khattab, “I would like to see Israel wiped off the map.” “I would like to see a mushroom cloud over it…” Yousef Al-Khattab also had some alarming comments about our current President. The report notes the Revolution Muslim ties to other radicals, such as Neil Bryant Venus, Tarek Mehanna, and Daniel Maldonado.

The New York Mosque has tried to prevent the Revolution Muslim from preaching their kind of hatred by involving law enforcement and the good news is that the FBI has these radicals on their radar. The FBI has assigned agents to watch them, monitor their website, and keep track of those who are viewing and listening. However, at this point there is not much that can be done because the Brothers of the Revolution Muslim are protected by the First Amendment right of free speech bestowed upon them by the country they detest.

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  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Of course, the FBI had the Ft. Hood shooter on their radar and did nothing about him.

    Dave

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Dave, yeah, I just learned that too and it is quite scary!

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Let’s hope the FBI’s radar machine is working!

  • Jordan Richardson

    Muslims who hate America are using this as an opportunity to hate America more, while Americans who hate Muslims are using this as an opportunity to hate Muslims more.

    Not surprising in the least.

    This article from LoonWatch.com might prove helpful. It explains how the reaction by the Islamophobes is off-base and how what this guy did was in direct disobedience to Islamic doctrine.

    In the end, let’s just hope cooler heads prevail here. We can’t allow ourselves to become fanatics when fighting fanatics.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Just for clarity’s sake, Christine, I’m not saying that your article promotes hate against Muslims in the least.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Good insight, Jordon. Even though I used a lot of adjectives in this article, it was a news not opinion. Pretty difficult to write as I was learning about them…very unsettling. But remember, the shooter, is being considered as part of the radical side not the regular Muslims. There is a distinction between the two as noted in my article.

  • Jordan Richardson

    There is indeed a distinction, but too few people make that distinction as LoonWatch.com demonstrates on a daily basis. It’s sad.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Jordan, there isn’t just one version of Islam, just as there isn’t just one version of Christianity. I wouldn’t want to judge all Christians by the behavior of Dominionists, just as I wouldn’t want to judge all Muslims by the behavior of Salafis. But the fact remains that there ARE these extremist sects in both religions and they do believe in dominating and destroying other groups and holy war and you can’t pretend that these versions of these religions don’t exist out of sensitivity to the sane majority.

    Dave

  • Arch Conservative

    Ok let me get it out of the way for the PC hacks…not all muslims are radical terrorists.

    That being said would anyone really give a damn if the ones in these videos went missing without a trace on some enchanted evening, never to be seen from or heard from again?

    I know I wouldn’t.

    Dave?

    Christine?

    J-dawg?

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Arch, this was a very terrifying piece to write and these two well…I just hope our current administration is doing their job! Looks like they missed it with the Ft. Hood shooter.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    this was a very terrifying piece to write and these two well…I just hope our current administration is doing their job! Looks like they missed it with the Ft. Hood shooter.

    Christine, I stuck this link to Dr. Phyllis Chesler’s article on Obama’s reaction to all of this on Heloise’s article on the Fort Hood shooting and I’ll stick it here as well.

    Your president stains you all with his cowardice. He could have bluntly identified the enemy you all face – the Wahhabi savages of Arabia – but he refused to do so. He bowed to the king of the Wahhabis and that should have signified to all of you that the “new boss” was the same as the “old boss” – a kisser of Arab ass. The shit stains his lips as he makes the whole of America look like scared Dhimmis.

    When you deal with the Wahhabi, it is a real simple deal. If you do not kill them, they will kill you. There is not room on the earth for the Wahhabi and anyone else – that means the only “good Wahhabi” is a dead Wahhabi. It’s either that or off to the purdah for you, Christine.

  • Sonny P.

    When will you Americans figure out that beeing a muslin means beeing eternal enemy of America. Just let Serbians fix them!!!!

  • Sonny P.

    Sorry for my spelling, I was too busy “fixing” Osama’s followers. Didn’t have much time to study English. JESUS, BLESS AMERICA.

  • Taye

    These people are trained to hate, their train to kill, and accepts nothing less.I clearly feel that certain races/backgrounds should be under different laws + the laws of the United States. It’s like life is not worth living due to these types of uncaused for acts. God IS Love, do they not understand what Love really is. They speak of God, but God says you cannot serve 2 masters, so on that note, their not serving the Only True God.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    That being said would anyone really give a damn if the ones in these videos went missing without a trace on some enchanted evening, never to be seen from or heard from again?

    Jordan wants to invite them over for tea and crumpets.

    Dave

  • zingzing

    ruvy: “the “new boss” was the same as the “old boss” – a kisser of Arab ass.”

    yeah, that’s what’s been going on here.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “the worst military base massacre in U.S. history.”

    Not to diminish the tragedy in any way, but how is this worse than Pearl Harbor?

    From a technical standpoint, not sure “A Few Good Men” should be the first thing a reader sees in an article about Muslims praising this murderer.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Dave, what the hell are you on?

    Jordan, there isn’t just one version of Islam, just as there isn’t just one version of Christianity.

    Duh.

    But the fact remains that there ARE these extremist sects in both religions and they do believe in dominating and destroying other groups and holy war and you can’t pretend that these versions of these religions don’t exist out of sensitivity to the sane majority.

    And I’ve done this where?

    You might want to read what I said again. I am not pretending extremists don’t exist at all. I said “Let’s just hope cooler heads prevail,” not “OMG, there’s no such thing as a Muslim extremist!!!11″

  • Jordan Richardson

    And let’s just be clear:

    Dave’s bizarre leap in logic that managed to transform my “cooler heads” comment into some ignorant screed about that denied the existence of extremists is the exact reason why I posted what I did.

    And his idiotic #15 all but confirms his stupidity and inability to comprehend pleas for compassion and understanding.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Arch, it’s clear you’re upset about the comments by the jackasses on the video and that you wouldn’t mind if they wound up “missing without a trace” on some “enchanted evening.”

    I’m wondering if you feel the same about people who, I dunno, serve as cheerleaders for the assassination or harm of the president or essentially celebrate the passing of Ted Kennedy and other ideological “enemies.”

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    El, oops on the choice of videos. Didn’t think that through! Maybe we can change it? Who do I ask? HELP…

    And the news was claiming worst..I think they mean within our own and not an attack?

    Ruvy, as much as I detest what these radicals are saying and doing and since I am pro-Israel (it all started with Isaac and Ishmael) the statements against Israel makes it all the more disturbing! How do suppose we deal with these hate mongers? Preemptive for words? As far as the military shooter…he should of been fired from the military a long time ago!

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Dave,

    Our of sensitivity to the sane minority can we be sure not to pretend that the US Military isn’t a terrorist organization?

  • A

    Remember, these two are converts to Islam.

    From Judaism.

    Could it be they are wolves in sheep’s clothing?

  • A

    Great way to incite Americans against Muslims. Pretend to be Muslim, then breathe brimstone and fire against Americans.

  • Jordan Richardson

    How do suppose we deal with these hate mongers? Preemptive for words?

    Ladies and gentlemen, I offer you the Slippery Slope.

  • A

    Jewish conspiracy? Nahhh… Just some honest Jewish converts to Islam…

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Our = out. That is about my 10th typo today.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    El, when I chose the video I was looking for something on soldiers and thought of the famous line by Jack Nicholson, “you can’t handle the truth”! In hind site, not a good choice due to the majority of the article.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Jordon, that was a question and the answer in my mind is NO! But if they are in military or government positions they need to be FIRED!

  • Jordan Richardson

    Yep. If we’re going to start making people “disappear” for hate speech like that, we’re going to need a pretty big net…

    In fact, we’re going to need a HUGE one for Robert Spencer alone.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    “I think they mean within our own and not an attack?”

    That makes sense.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    comment editors please feel free to clean up the 2nd half of my #17

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    El, LOL, LOL getting tired! Shit I mean not an act of war.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    WOW, El you are fast!

  • Glenn Contrarian

    It’s good to see that most on BC are not Islamophobes.

    But for those who might harbor such feelings, remember a certain “Christian” extremist named Timothy McVeigh.

    That, and ‘Christians’ have killed more people in the name of God than have those of any other religion in human history.

  • pablo

    American Jew Yousef Al Khattab self proclaimed Islamic extremist is nothing more than a CIA plant, as well as Adam Gadahn whos father was on the board of directors of the Anti-Defamation League!

    Not only are these guys as fake as the group that they say they love Al-CIAda, so is Anderson (Vanderbilt) Cooper, who actually worked for the CIA.

    So here you have the CIA interviewing the CIA, all clandestinely, and some american sheople buying into it. What a riot!

    Some of us don’t buy the MSM’s propaganda machine, or Operation Mockingbird (google it for you political dummies out there)

    Below are three links, two of them about the phony american jewish al ciada members, and another one about Anderson Vanderbilt Coopers illustrious CIA past.

    Some people will believe anything, particularly when spoon fed. ;)

    Fake AlCIAda1
    Fake AlCIAda2
    Anderson Cooper worked for the CIA

    You can go back to sleep now.

    Oh and one other thing, here is a quote from former foreign secretary from the UK Robin Cook said about Al Qaeda. “The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the ‘TV watcher’ to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money.”

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Count on Pablo to kill a thread with silliness.

    And Jordan, before resorting to personal insults, go read your #4 again and show me where you suggested there was any kind of real problem with muslim extremism.

    Dave

  • pablo

    Agreed Dave jewish al ciada members are pretty silly that’s for sure man. Particularly Gadahn, like I said Davey some people will believe anything, you sure do, that is unless your just being the shill that I have always suspected that you are, given your families illustrious past with the Agency pal.

  • pablo

    Oh and for those of you that just might have a wee bit of yearning to learn about how the world really works, and want to get out of sheople mode, here is a link to a group that most of you I am quite sure of have never heard of, the Pilgrim Society, of which I have known about for some 25 some odd years. They make the Bilderberg Group look like Sunday School teachers. :)

    The real rulers of the World

    Casting pearls………… so to speak

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Well, at least, Pablo, you are not alleging a Jewish cabal. I suppose we should be thankful for small favors, eh?

  • zingzing

    pablo, is there a conspiracy theory you don’t believe? i mean, believing one or two isn’t so bad, but you just seem to enjoy the act of falling for them.

  • Mark

    Europe has a much larger (radicalized)muslim community and much more problems. If the americans don’t take care of this problem on there own soil, I predict the worst for you. There a many political parties in europe that denounce muslim extremism. These people see the problem but suffer from left-wing politicians that call any negative remarks about extremism in islam nazism. Wake up everybody, this is a real threat.

  • pablo

    zingzing

    What you obviously fail to grasp zing, is that all of these coinspiracies are one and the same. It is the same ruling elite, that is running the show through their various groups. The UN, The Bilderberg Group, the CFR/RIIA, The Pilgrim Society, the Illuminati. Currently it is being run by the Rothschilds clan (I could give a hoot that they are Jewish Ruvy), and the Rockefellers, both incidentally who run the FED.

    There is one conspiracy zing that I do not subscribe to, that I can share with you. That is the conspiracy that a renegade member of the Bin Laden family (who has been in business with the Bush family for over 20 years) orchestrated and carried out the 9/11 attacks. That is because only a fool would believe that line of BS.

    I hope that that answered your question Zing.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    At least pablo recognizes most of the problems. That the explanations sound fantastic isn’t really shocking, if you actually noticed what pablo actually notices you might be so shocked yourself you’d be inclined to believe those explanations. Most of you don’t even recognize the problems.

    So if you want to make fun of someone then I suggest silliest looking people are the ones staring back at you when you look in the mirror. Most people are so indoctrinated they haven’t even noticed there are problems.

  • Hellhound

    What I don`t understand is why if they hate America so much then why don`t they just leave? Seriously. If you hate the house you live in you move right? Ten bucks says that if these guys were arrested tomorrow for inciting hatred they would leap at the laws that protect them in a country they hate. These guys need to get a grip.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Hellhound, I was just thinking the same thing! They should move.

  • pablo

    hmmmm Hellhound, I can’t help but wonder what country you live in. If it is indeed the USA, perhaps you could show me a law, either county, state or federal where it is against the law to incite hatred. I know of none yet. There are laws on the books in some jurisdictions against inciting to riot, however as you must be aware rioting and hatred not only are two different words, they are to different things.

    Cindy, thanks for your kinds words, I have often admired you myself in your tireless efforts on this site, to bring to the attention of others the injustices and meanness of our governments policies.

    The hardest part about being brainwashed, is that the brainwashed not only have no clue, that they have been victimized, they lash out with hatred when someone who is not brainwashed attempts to enlighten them. It is a phenomenon that is ageless.

    I did not invent nor join the various global institutions which I have talked about on this site. The fact is that they are getting bolder everyday in the public. For decades literally, the mainstream press would not dare to report on the Bilderberg Group for instance, now it is a common occurrence.

    If you want to know who runs the show, just look at who prints the money. There are three branches of government in our system. The executive, the legislative, and the judiciary. What branch does the FED belong to?

    The FED is in fact owned by the Rockefellers, Goldman Sachs, the Rothschilds, and a few other robber barons. They are in the process of not only consolodating their holdings, but have carried out the largest heist in the history of the world with impunity.

    Fascism is alive and well, and soon those of us that are left will be serfs to them, if the people do not awaken from their slumber and cast off their oppressors.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    There should be zero tolerance for radical Muslim groups. That being said, there should be zero tolerance for ALL radical groups. A society that maintains a fair and balanced policy is more likely to succeed in the overall scheme of things. It’s one thing to advocate change, it’s another when subversive violent behavior is part of the program.

    We equate “terror” with Islam and that’s not fair. It’s just that Islamic terror is better funded by drug and oil money and consequently gets more press. I’ve advocated for a long time now an overhaul of our anti-drug policy. Allocate the anti-pot money to anti-opium and you cripple the Taliban hold on poppy production. Develop technologies that make us less dependent on oil and we are out of the Middle East. It’s not all that uncomplicated, folks, it’s just a matter of taking special interest money away from Congress. The LAST thing the Taliban or radical Muslims want is for us to be less dependent on them. It’s the economy, stupid. Osama bin Laden knew it, that’s why they targeted the World Trade Center. It doesn’t take rocket science to figure out we’re so immersed in cash and Wall Street that the slightest burp in the supply chain sends us into collective convulsions.

    If we are to rebuild the United States it’s going to take a radical change in our politics. It means less division and more forging common ground. Right now a handful of wealthy people are controlling almost every facet of our lives. It’s gotta stop and we’ve got to take our collective heads out of our collective asses.

    Yesterday Jack Cafferty had a question on CNN about whether former Rep. Jefferson should get 33 years in prison for taking bribes. I posted a comment which he read on CNN which sums it up for me:
    33 years in one of our prisons at the taxpayers’ expense? No way. Give him 10 years in a prison in Nigeria at the expense of those who bribed him!

    That’s the ticket. If a public official is found guilty of corruption while on our dime, send them to prison at the expense of the bribers. For example, Senator Butthead takes bribes from AIG, is caught and found guilty. Senator Butthead goes to jail and AIG’s people who bribed him have to foot the entire cost of incarceration. In Jefferson’s case there was involvement of Nigerian bribery so in my mind Jefferson can spend 10 years in a Nigerian prison for all I care.

    Same thing applies to violent radicals. If we capture, try and convict members of terror groups, seize the cash within those groups to pay for prison time.

  • http://www.republicofdave.com Dave Nalle

    Ah, the Pilgrims. Loved that article on them. Apparently every rich person in America was a member. However, the Republican Party actually has history of opposing them. In fact, my great-grandfather and other Republican leaders tried to exclude them from holding office in Pennsylvania in the early 1900s.

    Dave

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ RAdiCal or diE

    That being said, there should be zero tolerance for ALL radical groups. A society that maintains a fair and balanced policy is more likely to succeed in [brainwashing it’s citizens in] the overall scheme of things.

    Besides wtf is this zero tolerance bs anyhoo? I have zero tolerance for people who have zero tolerance. I also have practically zero tolerance for non-radicals. If you don’t like radicals, then don’t be one. You do what you like. I do what I like.

    Sincerely,
    RAdiCal or diE
    xxoo

    P.S. Have a fucking wonderful day. :-)

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ RAdiCal or diE

    it’s another when subversive violent behavior is part of the program.

    You mean like the everyday ordinary govt program? How do you plan to stop them?

    If we are to rebuild the United States it’s going to take a radical change in our politics.

    ahem…(taps foot)….I thought you said…

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ RAdiCal or diE

    Christine, Hellhound,

    I think this deserves a reprint here.

    From: After Fort Hood by Nadia Hijab

    Culture and tradition are always in flux in the Arab and Muslim worlds, as they are the world over. But stereotypes appear to be fixed and unchanging, reinforced by random acts of violence that are used to ascribe guilt by association.

    Indiscriminate attacks on civilians bring a horror all their own. And they violate international law, whether the attacks are by state or non-state actors and whatever the weapon used — whether a gun, plane, or the human body. The problem is that state actors have the power to shield themselves from international law, and their impunity creates a dangerous double standard that fuels violence.

    (snip)

    The problem of the double standard is compounded because the peoples of powerful nations are acutely conscious of the impact of the violence used against them as it receives massive media coverage, while the impact of the violence their governments visit on others is often just a blip on the screen.

    You do both recognize the US does not subject itself to the rule of law don’t you? You do recognize that the US engages in terrorist acts against individuals don’t you? What do you expect to happen? And how do you justify that? The US is legitimate when it does this? Because it has more power? Because you live here? Why?

    As someone I admire says, “Everyone’s worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there’s really an easy way: Stop participating in it.”

    Or you may understand this better: “What you sow, so shall you reap.”

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Cindy, it is all a matter of interpretation. I’m curious, if you hate America so much, why do you live here. And that is not a question.

  • STM

    RCD writes” “Or you may understand this better: “What you sow, so shall you reap.” ”

    Likewise for you, mate. Best be careful what you wish for.

  • pablo

    53

    YEAH CINDY AMERIKA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!! Same old same old, after all these years the mantra of right wingers. hehehehe

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Cindy, it is all a matter of interpretation.

    No Christine. It’s not simply a matter of interpretation. It’s a matter of fact. How is it you can’t see that? What mechanism is operating that allows you to deny that–the US grabbing people off of the street, taking them away and torturing them, never charging them with anything, and then letting them go–is terrorism.

    Tell me something. If some smaller group, of any kind, for any reason, did such a thing what would you call it? Would it be terrorism then?

    I’m curious, if you hate America so much, why do you live here. And that is not a question.

    First, who says I hate America? Maybe I love America. Does loving a place mean that you should agree with those in power? Do you think there were Germans who loved Germany but despised Nazis? Should they have just gone somewhere else? What about Americans who despised slavery? When there were slaves, would you have told me if I don’t like slavery, I should just move elsewhere?

    What kind of thing is that to say? Why don’t you stop writing what you write and go move somewhere else? For that matter, if you don’t agree with the president why don’t you pack up and move somewhere else? Does that make any sense at all?

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Stan,

    Likewise for you, mate. Best be careful what you wish for.

    Good thing I don’t have a dick or I’d have to whip it out about now to find out which of us could piss farther, mate.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    AP is reporting President Obama has REJECTED all options presented to him by the National Security Council and the military. OK, so the pundit spin is about to begin. Beck’s head will explode; Rush will take an oxycontin; Hannity will take Murdoch’s load and Cheney will dose on neurontin.

    Ruvy, I’m beginning to believe in miracles.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Actually, that’s not a bad idea, now that I think about it. Why don’t you people put down your weapons and just unzip your pants. You can then feel like big guys (well, maybe not all of you…maybe some company will come up with something to make you feel better or bigger or something) and yet no one gets blown up.

    That goes for you female guys too, Christine. ;-)

  • Clavos

    Yawn…

  • zingzing

    clavos announces he’s tired of penis.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writers/christine-lakatos/ Christine

    Cindy I am not a guy! Very feminine as a matter of fact. And you don’t know my take on war, never wrote about it here. And unlike you, I won’t attack you with hateful, mean remarks.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    He just needs to be put down for his nap Zing.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Christine,

    I never said I knew your take on war. I was speaking about terrorism and terrorists. Specifically, I responded to you and the other commenter who were doing the ‘why don’t they go somewhere else if they hate America (the best place on earth)’ routine.

    Nothing mean about it. I wrote a reasonable response with some questions–which were probing and critical and required your making a critical evaluation of your position. But they were not intended to be mean. You seem to have ignored them and preferred to tell me I should pack up and move if I don’t like it. That was the first mean thing said. Sort of the opposite of how you see it.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    It’s winter in New England, Cindy. Men unzipping their pants usually leads to excess shrinkage.

    Does loving a place mean that you should agree with those in power?

    You can love your country and dislike those who run it. I’m thinking back to the 9/11 aftermath and how Bill Maher was railroaded out of ABC because he was stating opinions which did not tow the party (Bush) line. Here we are 8 years later and Bill Maher prevails. And what have we learned in the post 9/11 era? Absolutely nothing. We’re on the brink of bankruptcy, still engaged in war and now American Muslims are starting to snap under the pressure. For what? Allah? God? Country?

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Silas,

    You mentioned Milk in another thread. I meant to see that so I am downloading the torrent tonight. I am always grateful for a good movie recommendation. So, here is one for you, if you’ve not seen it. It reminds me of the second part of your comment (hint: the part that did not involve penii [Latin?]). The Great Debaters It’s a couple years old I think. If you missed it, I can’t recommend any movie in recent memory more.

  • Jordan Richardson

    show me where you suggested there was any kind of real problem with muslim extremism.

    You need me to tell you that there’s “any kind of real problem with muslim extremism?” Seriously? That’s some massive tapdancing you’re doing, Dave.

    I called for unity and not painting all people with the same brush. You took that and turned it into my wanting to have “tea and crumpets” with extremists. And now you blame me for your own idiotic jump in logic because I didn’t call down fire and brimstone on extremists.

    Honestly, Dave. Can you get around your agenda for just a few seconds or is the switch just always on?

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    In furtherance to my #52 about reaping what you sow. Has anyone gone to the site Christine posted in her article for the Revolution Muslim? Have you looked down the list of posts there? Do they tell you anything?

  • Jordan Richardson

    More reasons as to why my comments was apt can be found here.

    Many Americans are already chomping at the bit for more reasons to hate and/or suspect Islam as a whole. It does always seem like America is fighting Muslims around the world, but that likely has more to do with their general inhabitance in resource-rich locales than it does with any sort of religious propensity.

    The number of Muslim extremists in the world is growing, that much I contend. But there’s a reason such vehement hatred of the West persists and grows and people like those on the brief YouTube clip help feed such sentiment through the media.

    Cindy is absolutely correct in #52, but the American power structure refuses to learn lessons. They don’t want peace in the Middle East; they want control and they want to “win.” It doesn’t matter who’s in the White House, either.

    America has, almost singlehandedly, put the Taliban back in power in Afghanistan and created more radical Muslims than anyone knows what to do with. What’s next?

  • Arch Conservative

    “YEAH CINDY AMERIKA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!! Same old same old, after all these years the mantra of right wingers. hehehehe”

    I’ve actually heard this coming from a number of [Edited. Please refrain from referring to commenters in that way, Arch. That’s strike two… The Comments Editor] when I’ve objected to Obama’s intentions to bankrupt the nation.

  • STM

    Lol. I bet I can p.ss furthest, Cindy (a lifetime of practise helps).

    And it’d be nice if someone like Mr/Ms radiCAL or dIE was the aiming point.

    (Unless he was on fire.)

    Sorry, folks, I’ve heard it all before and I just don’t buy that kind of crap. It’s just a load of bollocks.

    All of us outside America can see very clearly (without the rose-coloured red, white and blue tinted glasses) that America isn’t perfect, but it does a lot better than a bunch of idiots plotting mass murder by satphone and whose preferred headgear is the tea-towel and whose last-known address was a cave somewhere in the middle of nowhere.

    There’s no sympathy here for their twisted cause. I have a friend whose teenage daughter was murdered by islamofascists in the Bali bombings. She was there for a birthday treat with her parents and a schoolfriend.

    Tell me what those two kids did to anyone?

    The means don’t justify the end in this case. Besides which, those kinds of islamic terrorists don’t want to negotiate; they just want to kill. There’s also a big difference between Arab states who are angry with America about certain things (and who think they might be able to work it out at a sit-down), and the death-cultists who want to take us back to the middle ages.

    You’d be the first one to be told to shut up Cindy if they ever got their way.

    And in the case of the West, no one should doubt we are doing the right thing by standing up to them. Anyone who’s in any doubt about that should watch re-runs of jets being flown into skyscrapers.

    So that kind of radiCAL message falls on very fertile ground here, but it has the very opposite effect of that intended.

    Mass murderers aren’t freedom fighters.

    They’re just mass murderers. And they started it.

    As for the majority of muslims who choose not be radicalised … the ones I know here don’t buy it either.

    They feel like their religion has been hijacked by a pack of nutcases.

    So far, all the evidence says they’re right.

    And I agree with the idea that if you don’t like it, go somewhere else where you do like it.

    The door’s always open both ways.

    I reckon they should either stop whingeing or just p.ss off.

    Simple solutions are the best.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    it does a lot better than a bunch of idiots plotting mass murder

    You don’t seem to get the point Stan. America IS a bunch of idiots plotting mass murder. That is why they incite others into war. They’re just idiots with more power because they are legitimized by the indoctrinated masses.

    If you look at the Revolution Muslim site that Christine linked to, you will see something that I think is very telling. A post title implies a change in the words “War on Terror” to “War on Muslims”. These people, are taking up the other side of a war they feel was initiated by the US and that singles them out and is aimed at destroying them personally. (That is the closest I can come to what I think they think.)

    You don’t have the ability to see past your own blinders that you support state terrorism. You don’t find a state capable of terrorism because you legitimate anything a state does. That is your constructed* reality Stan (and that of the masses)–that govts are more legitimate than people. It’s not everyone’s. When govts become terrorists against target groups expect people to fight back.

    I recall reading something pretty convincing that suggested the twin tower attacks were a preemptive move to a (leaked) attack planned by the US. Don’t have the reference in front of me.

    (*Not sure learning new words is going to help me get through any better than before.)

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Mass murderers aren’t freedom fighters. They’re just mass murderers.

    I agree. Those words are appropriately applied to the behavior of the US govt as well as to other groups.

    Jordan posts an excellent description of the US position:

    They don’t want peace in the Middle East; they want control and they want to “win.” It doesn’t matter who’s in the White House, either.

    America has, almost singlehandedly, put the Taliban back in power in Afghanistan and created more radical Muslims than anyone knows what to do with. What’s next?

    I’m sorry you can’t see this, Stan. If more people could, then we as people could take action to force the govt to stop. But since you are just going to go along allowing govts to do whatever they want, there isn’t much that can be done.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    You’d be the first one to be told to shut up Cindy if they ever got their way.

    I didn’t think I needed to mention this. I don’t support dominators or terrorists or anyone who supports them. I certainly don’t support Revolution Muslim’s ideology and am not sympathetic to it in the least.

    Understanding how something works or why one thing leads to another thing does not imply any sort of alliance.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Cindy,

    I LOVED the Great Debaters. Milk is a phenomenal film. I’m no Penn fan but I’ll give him props. He was amazing. I also think that James Franco was a close runner-up in stealing the show. The movie did leave me feeling sad, though. There was something about the passion of the 70’s and early 80’s that’s missing today. Everything is so black and white.

    The greatest movie I have seen in the last two years was The Man From Earth. A friend of mine was one of the producers. It’s a lot of dialog and for most it will seem boring but there’s an amazing message in it. I have seen it about 30 times and every time I do I discover another message. I’m going to see Precious this weekend. I’m hearing that Mo’Nique is a definite Oscar contender.

    Now back to the discussion — so just what do we do about those pesky Muslims? First, we acknowledge that a handful of radical Muslims does not a religion make. Second, we cut off funding for the building of 5 Christian “super” churches on military bases. I’m sensing that while the rest of America was brushing off the ashes from 9/11, the military was being infiltrated by back woods, right wing, Christian nut bags who have ONE aim – take over the military and then the government. These Christian fanatics are equally as dangerous as Muslim cells operating within our borders. If the radical Muslims hate us, let them leave the country. If the radical Christians are so damned concerned about society, let them leave as well. Let them go to Jerusalem. At least over there they will have Ruvy to contend with.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    If the radical Christians are so damned concerned about society, let them leave as well. Let them go to Jerusalem. At least over there they will have Ruvy to contend with.

    Silas,

    We don’t need these folks to live here. Send these Christian fanatics where they can do some good – to France, Britain or Sweden. All the neo-pagans and the like there need some bucking up – especially in the courage department in dealing with the resident Wahhabi fanatics there. Besides, once there they can enjoy the blessings of socialized medicine and child allowances; if the Europeans are paying by the kid, I’m sure the radical Christians will pop ‘em out by the dozen.

    As it stands, a lot of these fanatic Christians are the people who stand with us against the Arabs. That’s kinda nice, even if it is only to get their own agenda accomplished….

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    The reason why I would dispatch them to you, Ruvy, is that you would give them a dose of bitch slap reality. They have this romanticized, mystical view of the Holy Land. Fact of the matter is the majority of these so-called right wing fanatics wouldn’t recognize Jesus Christ if He was standing in front of them. First of all the hygiene of that day wasn’t the greatest; second, cloth and clothing were primitive among the poor; and, third, His skin color was NOT white!

  • Baronius

    “These Christian fanatics are equally as dangerous as Muslim cells operating within our borders.”

    Silas, you might want to test that theory against fresh data every couple of years.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Baronius, fanatics are fanatics. The difference is the weaponry. Cash? Jets? Guns? In the end, cash wins out.

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Silas, I’ve never been a weapon of a fanatic. :)

  • Baronius

    So…they’re not as dangerous, Silas. But you think they might be if they had better financing. Maybe you could have said that instead.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    I’ll bet you’ve got a fanatic weapon. Or is that fantastic? After Cindy’s posts I’m confused.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Baronius, it’s like this. The Radical Muslim wings are well financed. What is their financial base? Poppies, drugs, oil, real estate. The fanatic right wing is well financed and their base? Defense weapons, BlackWater, unsuspecting robotic followers. Each are well financed, it’s the methodology. 9/11 changed the dynamic. alQuaeda’s mission was clear — attack America at its’ heart — Wall Street. Mission accomplished. And in the 8 years since, we have seen the virtual collapse of our financial markets as a result. This is the dirty little secret that should be front and center. If they want to attack us at our financial core, then we must reciprocate. Bomb, burn and destroy poppy crops in Afghanistan. Develop an energy policy which is virtually free of reliance on Arab oil imports then seize all property owned by these groups within the states. Hell, if we seize a skyscraper, turn it into affordable housing for Mormons. That’ll piss off the radical Muslims. And, last but not least, make American companies pay a dear price for importing goods from China. Sure, it’ll piss off the Chinese but it’s time to start worrying about building up our infrastructure again. If that means a decade of isolationist policies, so be it.

    The time has come for sincere, open debate in this country where the fringes on both sides are left outside while the moderates on both sides plead their respective cases. There’s no time left for gridlock. We need action and if this government is incapable of generating the same then it is time for every incumbent to go!

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    They have this romanticized, mystical view of the Holy Land.

    They used to have a romanticized view of Israel, Silas. But they come here, to Samaria, to help us with the olive harvest and the like and they find out very fast what reality is. They see secular Jews from Tel Aviv inciting Arabs to steal our land, they see the soldiers back up the secular pigs from Tel Aviv, and they come round to points of view like mine right quick. They see Ethiopian Jews, Jews from the Burmese border, Jews from Tunisia, Iraq, Kurdistan, they hear Hebrew, English, Spanish, French and Russian on the buses and learn who we Jews are very very fast.

    I’m talking about families who come here on their own dime, people from Kentucky or Tennessee, or Minnesota, people who I’ve met traveling on buses here. They learn to speak passable Hebrew, they learn to understand our perspectives on things. More often than not, my conversations are not bitch slaps of reality at all. They’ve gotten that already. Some of them have very subversive agendae that they have the sense to keep to themselves. But in the meantime, Silas, they are extra hands to help with the harvest.

    Something for you to chew on. Maybe the folks in Massachusetts have a romanticized vision of Israel, Silas. But once they come here and get their hands dirty, the pink lenses get tossed.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Ruvy, you’re right. (shhh, zing), and the problem is that a mere fraction of Americans who romanticize the Holy Land have been there. They see the poverty. They see the ravages of war. They see a people who are struggling to survive in a rough sea of secularist Jews, “court” Christians and who-knows-which Muslims. They learn their lessons and return and the remainder of us are too busy to listen to their experiences.

    You know how passionate I am about the West getting out of your affairs. However, while Jerusalem is definitely a city which belongs to the Jewish state, it seems to me that if the Israeli government could force a policy of cohabitation for the major religions which descended from Judaism, it would go a long way yo start bridging divides.

    Ruvy, you and I are closer to meeting our Maker. Doesn’t it make sense to try and educate our children and grandchildren — not in the ancient divides but in encouraging reasoned dialogue and debate? Is it necessary for us to bequeath to our children another generation of spilled blood?

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    You know how passionate I am about the West getting out of your affairs. However, while Jerusalem is definitely a city which belongs to the Jewish state, it seems to me that if the Israeli government could force a policy of cohabitation for the major religions which descended from Judaism, it would go a long way yo start bridging divides.

    I have six articles that I bookmarked just today detailing Arab terror incidents here. The Israeli government cannot force anything – they are too scared of Arabs and their violence, and they are too scared of Haredím and their violence. The Israeli government is a pack of cowards and bullies.

    The only reason that the secularist pigs from Tel Aviv continue their shit at all, is that we have not gone to Tel Aviv to beat the living shit out of them. The same goes for the Europeans who incite Jews for You Tube videos. I they were attacked, the lot of them and beaten bloody and forced to leave us, they would not return. If they were attacked in their home cities , they would learn very fast to NOT incite religious Jews.

    It’s easy to teach a bully manners – you break his nose, break his jaw, ram your fist through his teeth. Bullies are cowards, and once they are confronted and beaten up, they usually sink into whatever slime they emerged from.

    Once this policy of “moishe-coddling” is adopted by believing Jews in dealing with traitorous Jews, we will have a lot fewer problems here.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Do notice, Silas. I did not mention non-Jews here. But, speaking for myself, I have taught my own children to differentiate between Wahhabi trash and Islam.

  • http://blogcritics.org/writer/heloise Heloise

    Ruvy, we get your pain, really we do.

    But I have just about lost respect for Islam, the Koran and that purdah crap. It’s too much. In the land of freedom I believe that if we don’t curtail the freedom of Islam in this country it will take us over faster than you can say illegal aliens from Mexico.

    Radical Islam could/should be banned but the only thing bout going underground is that it often gives it more power.

    At The Trough I can say what I think and what I think is that Islam should be banned in America. Why? Because it’s gonna take away the very freedoms that we have been stupid enough to give it.

    Heloise

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    At The Trough I can say what I think and what I think is that Islam should be banned in America. Why? Because it’s gonna take away the very freedoms that we have been stupid enough to give it.

    Here’s a helpful hint, Heloise. If we eradicate the practice of Islam from our society what is to stop us from prohibiting Judaism, Pantheism or any other damn ism? It’s a slippery slope when you single out an entire culture for expulsion.

    You’re entitled to your opinion. That being said remember this. If we were to ban Islam from our culture, you may end up not having the right to express your views against another. Take Mormons. They’re Christian. I would slam them at every turn. If we became a radical right religious republic who knows what my fate would be if I expressed my concern over the use of magic underwear.

    And let me get another thing straight. My intense passion against anything Mormon has nothing to do with their belief system. It has to do with their getting rid of polygamy because their “Prophet” said God told him to. That’s bullshit. For Utah to be admitted to the Union, the Mormon Church had to make a political decision. Sorry, that just doesn’t cut it with me. When you sell out a faith for political gain, that’s hypocrisy.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Silas,

    I think it’s pretty hopeless trying to make any sense whatsoever to someone who would say this: what I think and what I think is that Islam should be banned in America. She seems not able to hear us anymore.

    But you did a good job trying.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Cindy,

    Heloise is a scholar of that branch of Islam that I view as the most compatible with Judaism, Sufism. I would never say “ban Islam” for the same reasons that Silas advances above. For her to say this should tell you something.

    This is what it says.

    The evil of the Wahhabi savages has taken over Islam to such a degree that even she is willing to see the whole religion banned your country and probably elsewhere as well. She knows Muslim culture a lot better than you do, I’ll wager or Silas or me.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    She knows Muslim culture a lot better than you do, I’ll wager or Silas or me.

    Yeah, I bet she does. But likely not as well as the Muslim woman whose words I’ve posted.

    For her to say this should tell you something.

    Yes, it does tell me something. It tells me that becoming a scholar does not guarantee one will become a clearer thinker about a subject.

    It tells me what I already know, that adults do not change their minds easily and will defend their biases despite all the learning in the world. I think most adults generally just use what is learned to reinforce what they already think. Some, maybe even recognizing that, try harder. But not very many–not even among skeptics.

    Look at this confusion: Radical Islam could/should be banned but the only thing bout going underground is that it often gives it more power.

    The thing I think she sees Ruvy is that Islamic fundamentalist are different than those she is used to. They are not amenable to the typical US elite dominator policy, which doesn’t care much about which religion you are. Or the US Christian fundamentalist or even the Catholic Church dominator policies. This is a different kind of dominator, one that won’t want to just take away your abortion rights, but might want to punish you by death for lack of belief.

    They are not frightening to me. No one, not even most of the people I disagree with are about to allow that to happen.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    What’s more frightening to me is what the actual current dominators are doing. Who has time to fantasize about what some other group of tyrants might do given a chance they’d never get, when we have a real group of tyrants, actually oppressing society, to deal with.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Let me ask an honest questions in the attempt to solicit honest answers:

    What makes the current radical Muslim groups different from say the Christian Crusaders? And leave Jesus and Muhammad (PBUH) out of it. I’m talking about the imposition of terror.

    Why should the United States remain entangled in the policies of Middle East countries and what does the United States have to gain by continuing to be a presence in the current Israeli government?

    Should the United States break diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia based upon their continuous human rights violations?

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Okay, Silas, some quick answers to your questions:

    1. What makes the current radical Muslim groups different from say the Christian Crusaders?

    They don’t scream HEP! HEP! when killing their enemy, and they have more modern weapons.

    2a. Why should the United States remain entangled in the policies of Middle East countries and

    They shouldn’t.

    2b what does the United States have to gain by continuing to be a presence in the current Israeli government?

    Nothing.

    3. Should the United States break diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia based upon their continuous human rights violations?

    The solution is to nuke Riyadh, move the troops from Iraq to establish Abdallah II as king in Makka and Medina, and (as a goodbye gift) make the new Arabian king accept the “Palestinian” Arabs as his subjects.

    This kills several birds with one stone.

    1. The Israelis have a way to annex Judea and Samaria and still have a viable governing system and the new Arabian kingdom can negotiate a permanent peace with Israel, solving the “refugee” problem.
    2. Everybody realizes that the USA can be pushed so far and no farther. This message is designed to resonate with Europe, Russia and China in particular. If they want to bring you down, they do so at their own risk. They can get burned.
    3. Most important, you end the money stream for the Wahhabi mosques – which go broke. The new ruler in Makka determines what kind of Islam rules in the madrassas – and it propbably will not be the Wahhabi trash.

    End of story. The United States pulls out its troops from the Middle East, the Israelis attack (and defeat) the Persians and everybody is happy.

    After several years of balanced budgets, the United States can once again consider – universal health care – with no expatriate tax!

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Oh, in case I need to say this, 92 & 93 related directly to the US, obviously Islamic fanatics are in control elsewhere.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    I forgot! No more money goes to the Middle East (especially not to Israel!!!). No more weapons go except as cash sales. The Sixth and Seventh Fleets aim their guns and missiles at Moscow and Tehran.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Ruvy,

    Why don’t you stand in solidarity the people? The Iranians have been fighting their govt in continual protests since the elections.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Cindy,

    The Iranian people do not control the military. If they did, then there would be no Islamic republic. The Iranian people are sick of those bastards.

    But those bastards are still running the show. Helping the Iranian people overthrow the regime in Tehran would be part and parcel of attacking Iran – and winning.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Well it might be hard for them to win if they are all nuked.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Let’s not think happy thoughts, Cindy.

  • http://ruvysroost.blogspot.com Ruvy

    Well it might be hard for them to win if they are all nuked.

    Cindy if the regime is unstable enough, it might not be necessary to nuke the Persians. But at this point, their mede is my poison. Nevertheless, do note that I did not recommend nuking Persia to Silas, and did not imply it in my solutions for what Israel ought to do. Nuking the Persians is not something I want to see done. It is something I do not see an alternative to. Each mass demonstration in the streets of the cities of Persia is another argument against nuking them.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Ruvy, I’ve got a business associate who refers to himself as Persian. Born in Iran, his family escaped to Paris at the fall of Pahlavi. They came to the United States 10 years ago. The reason why he refers to himself as Persian is because he finds nothing in common with Iran of today and is ashamed of what Iranians are doing to Persians. I don’t understand the whole dynamic. One thing is for certain, the radical Islamic movement within Iran has caused my friend to abandon his Muslim faith in favor of no belief at all.

    Also, thanks for your answers. I’m disappointed that others have not chime din because I see these as essential questions that engaged Americans should be asking their government and each other.

  • albu

    Where there are rape, killings and mutilation perpetrated by muslims. Idiots will ask “Are they on drugs?” When a muslim soldier massacre his fellow soldiers, they ask “is he nut, or a lunatic?” My answer is “No idiots they are just plain muslims.”