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Members of the national Alliance will be among the crowd this weekend working to recruit new members from the predominately white, and redneck, race fans at the Daytona 500.

The Daytona Beach News Journal reports the group plans on handing out flyers and brochures, but the speedway won’t allow that on its property. Of course the problem with that is a lot of people park off speedway property and so there will be plenty of chances for the organization to spread their word.

To be honest I don’t know why white supremacists haven’t started doing this sooner. For a sport that grew up in the south NASCAR has a shocking lack of minority, specifically black fans and drivers.

NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston, said. “It runs counter to everything NASCAR stands for. NASCAR continues to be committed to diversifying the sport on and off the track.”

One doesn’t end up with a talent pool of exclusively heterosexual white men any more by being open and non-racist.

An organization doesn’t have to have a “Drive for Diversity” (Which oddly doesn’t include a search for the first openly gay driver) if it hasn’t been racist. You don’t need to try to reach out to groups if you haven’t been ignoring them for 50 years.

Poston is also the same man who told a NASCAR blog late last year that the program “has not brought about change quickly enough”.

Wait, um, if NASCAR is not racist and then why do you need to change?

I’ve lived in the heart of NASCAR world, attended races and followed the sport for years. Sure the racism might not be officially sanctioned any more like when Wendell Scott, the only non-white man to ever win a Winston, now NEXTEL Cup race, was expressly forbidden from kissing any of the all white “Winston Girls” who hung out in victory lane. The kiss was a tradition among white drives, and by that I mean everyone else ever.

I don’t know why racist groups haven’t been attending NASCAR races and recruiting for years. When I went to the Busch race at Atlanta Motor Speedway last fall you could count the number of black, Asian and Hispanic people I saw on one hand.

Just for fun I’m thinking of attending the Busch race again while wearing a gay pride shirt and jewelry just to see what kind of reaction I get. I’m guessing it’s not exactly going to be welcoming.

NASCAR is coming a long way, if only to increase its market share. While the predominately heterosexual white front office can claim not to be racist, it can’t control its rank and file.

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About Eric James

  • Xguy

    Why does everything have to be “inclusive”? Why can’t whites have anything that just appeals to them?

  • http://selfaudit.blogspot.com Aaman

    #1, Because the alternative can lead down a path we’ve taken too many times before. And if it is exclusive, as in a private club, for example, you need to come out and say so. And deal with the loss of advertising dollars, for one

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Black people who live in the south love NASCAR just as much as white people in the south do. It’s a regional, not a racial issue.

    IMO nazis going to a NASCAR race is about the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard in my life. There’s no logical reason to think that NASCAR fans like nazis any more than anyone else does, plus they are hyped up and drunk. I see a lot of dead nazis.

    Dave

  • JR

    The real barrier to entry in motor sports (and I’ll generously include NASCAR, although it’s more entertainment than sport) is money. Aside from the Japanese, minorities aren’t well represented in F1 either, despite its being popular all over the world. That’s because race car drivers tend to be born into money, or at least very near to a source of it. They rarely come from third world countries, and when they do they’re usually royalty.

    The fact that there are few Black drivers has more to do with historical and cultural momentum: they haven’t had a lot of money until recently, and they don’t have family or business connections to NASCAR. There are racist roots there, but that’s certainly not NASCAR’s doing – they clearly intend to undo it.

  • Xguy

    Because the alternative can lead down a path we’ve taken too many times before. And if it is exclusive, as in a private club, for example, you need to come out and say so.

    So before white people are able to enjoy anything they must first make sure that blacks also enjoy it?

  • SFC SKI

    Your otherwise well meaning article is really overshadowed by your tone of superiority in your writing.

    What does this mean,”.. members from the predominately white, and redneck, race fans at the Daytona 500.”?

    White, I’ll grant you, but why use the word redneck if not to disparage the NASCAR crowd? Sort of a, “You know how THOSE PEOPLE are” nod to your reading audience, perhaps? Would it be okay to describe a group as ” …members from the predominately black, and lazy,…” or ” members from the predominately Jewish, and and miserly,…” The first adjective describes the composition of a group, the second is just a slur.

    Why should NASCAR, or anyone search for an openly gay driver? If there is a driver who is good enough to race, wouldn’t he be able to make it on merit? I mean, racing is ultimately about skill and speed, should those qualifiers change?

    “Just for fun I’m thinking of attending the Bush race again while wearing a gay pride shirt and jewelry just to see what kind of reaction I get.” Do that, and post the results, or sit in the back of the room, poke fun at the participants and feel smug and superior.

    BTW, it’s B-U-S-C-H race, not B-U-S-H race, if you are going to act like a subject matter expert, get the facts right, OK?

  • Cadd1

    Why must everything in the world today be about black and white. You claim to be writing a non-racial commentary, but in the very first sentance you use the slang “redneck”. And in response to the comment about wearing a gay pride t-shirt, well why don’t you attend a basketball game and see if you get the same reaction.

  • http://paperfrigate.blogspot.com DrPat

    Dave, try that in a creepy intense whisper: I see… dead nazis.

    AN folks once tried to recruit at a pro wrestling show in Denver, back when I was an aficionado. Fortunately for me and my spouse, whom I dragged along to such shows, we had tickets for the night following their initial effort.

    The first three guys they approached lit into them, and more got drawn into the melee. Before the doors to the hall opened, sixteen swastika-swishers and one wrestling fan had to be hauled away to the hospital, several of the AN folks under arrest (off to jail once they finished getting stiched up).

    Just because a crowd is mostly white (white and Hispanic, as pro-wrestling fans were in Denver at that time), you can’t assume it’s because blacks are excluded.

  • http://mattschafer.blogspot.com Matt Schafer

    “You claim to be writing a non-racial commentary, but in the very first sentance you use the slang “redneck”.”

    Redneck is not exactly a negative slang and is very descriptive of the NASCAR crowd. I’ve known many people who happily describe themselves as a redneck. As Merriam-Webster putts it a redneck is a “White member of the southern rural labor class.” When has the bulk of NASCAR fans been anything other then southern blue collar types.

    “And in response to the comment about wearing a gay pride t-shirt, well why don’t you attend a basketball game and see if you get the same reaction.”

    Been there done that, no one cared.

  • SFC SKI

    Don’t play naive, you know certain words have a stereotypical connotation, and set the tone for what comes after.

    “sixteen swastika-swishers” great alliteration, and a great mental picture as well.

  • HW Saxton

    If any of you reading this have ever had
    the chance to travel the rural USA, not
    just neccessarily down south,then you’d
    know the term “Redneck” is all about
    ATTITUDE and not color.I’ve been pulled
    over in Miss. by a black state trooper
    who was as redneck as any caricature of
    a backwoods type that you might care to
    mention.The term is not neccessarily a
    derogatory one but can be used as such.
    Either way most people who’ll fit the
    description are likely to be assholes.

  • http://paperfrigate.blogspot.com DrPat

    “sixteen swastika-swishers” great alliteration, and a great mental picture as well.

    If it had been fewer neo-Nazis arrested, I might have said “fourteen fairy fascists”…

  • http://selfaudit.blogspot.com Aaman

    Thirteen trippin’ totalitarians
    Twelve terrible terrorists
    Ten twisty tyrants
    Nine noisome nazis
    Eight exasperating extremists
    Seven spineless supremacists
    Six swindling secessionists
    Five fiery firebrands
    Four flinging frondeurs (backbiters/stonethrowers)
    Three training-tormentors
    Two tiny tsars
    One oily oppressor

  • http://www.kolehardfacts.blogspot.com Mike Kole

    I think RJ got it right- money is the barrier to entry in motor sports.

    Look at the various pro sports, look at where the players come from, and see if the game can be played easily on the cheap.

    Basketball, baseball, football, and soccer can. You need little more than a ball and a goal for basketball and soccer, add a bat for baseball.

    Then look at hockey, tennis, golf, and motor sports.

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    Great point, MK.

  • Sydney

    “Just because a crowd is mostly white (white and Hispanic, as pro-wrestling fans were in Denver at that time), you can’t assume it’s because blacks are excluded. ”

    You lead up to this comment by talking about how a brawl broke out between 16 swastika wearing folks and others. Imagining your a Black person, does that sound like an comfortable and inviting atmosphere?

    Why does everything have to be “inclusive”? Why can’t whites have anything that just appeals to them?

    Because ideally, public events should be inclusive of all groups, especially when race/culture has so little bearing on race cars. What I mean to say is, Blacks drive cars to, they have as long a history around the motorcar culture as anyone else in America. We could then naturally assume that they would be equally enthusiastic supporters of the NASCAR industry had the industry not been so associated with white redneck culture. If nascar made more of an effort to promote it as inclusive then it would be better atmosphere for everyone (unless you were racist, in which case it would annoy you)

    SFCSki says about “rednecks”

    Don’t play naive, you know certain words have a stereotypical connotation, and set the tone for what comes after.

    Of course all words are sort of loaded but as Matt Shcaffer was saying, there is a blue collar “redneck culture” in north America and ignorance with regards to race is pretty rampant in that culture. Many of my closest friends are rednecks and I’m telling you right now they definitely harbor a form of latent racism. They don’t mean harm but their attitudes are downright destructive.

    The other thing is that rednecks is not so much a stereotype as it is a subculture. Rednecks have a code of acting and they subscribe to certain attitudes and behaviors in order to gain membership to that subculture. They identify themselves both verbally and behaviorally as “rednecks”. They are as proud of it as are members of any other subculture. This is not to say they are all intentionally racist– but the culture has almost no connection with minorities and this results in very ignorant attitudes with regards to race.

    This is my opinion but i think its pretty sound and seems consistent with my studies in ‘cultural studies’

  • http://www.roblogpolitics.blogspot.com RJ

    “seems consistent with my studies in ‘cultural studies'”

    Bingo!

    That’s your problem, right there…

  • sydney

    not sure whats goin on but these are the two missing qoutes from that last entry.

    1st: “Why does everything have to be “inclusive”? Why can’t whites have anything that just appeals to them?”

    2nd: SFCSki says about “rednecks” ‘Don’t play naive, you know certain words have a stereotypical connotation, and set the tone for what comes after.

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    Sydney wrote:

    >>You lead up to this comment by talking about how a brawl broke out between 16 swastika wearing folks and others. Imagining your a Black person, does that sound like an comfortable and inviting atmosphere?< <

    The nazis were clearly not part of the regular atmosphere and were clearly not welcomed. Your comment makes no sense.

    >>Because ideally, public events should be inclusive of all groups, especially when race/culture has so little bearing on race cars. What I mean to say is, Blacks drive cars to, they have as long a history around the motorcar culture as anyone else in America. We could then naturally assume that they would be equally enthusiastic supporters of the NASCAR industry had the industry not been so associated with white redneck culture. If nascar made more of an effort to promote it as inclusive then it would be better atmosphere for everyone (unless you were racist, in which case it would annoy you)< <

    There's no indication whatsoever that NASCAR makes any effort to exclude anyone from attendance, in fact they have gone out of their way to try to attract more blacks to their audience. There's nothing about the activity or the fan base which is noticably racist, it just happens to appeal more to whites than to blacks, just as some other activities appeal more to blacks than to whites. That's the nature of the world and there's no blame to lay on anyone.

    >>Of course all words are sort of loaded but as Matt Shcaffer was saying, there is a blue collar “redneck culture” in north America and ignorance with regards to race is pretty rampant in that culture. Many of my closest friends are rednecks and I’m telling you right now they definitely harbor a form of latent racism. They don’t mean harm but their attitudes are downright destructive.< <

    I think you don't really know rednecks. It's a regional culture not a racial culture and in regions where there are rural black populations the rednecks are black not white. Here in Texas where we have a redneck culture of three different races you see white rednecks marrying black rednecks in remarkable numbers and you don't see an awful lot of racism. Other redneck areas I'm familiar with have similar racial mixing as an increasingly common phenomenon.

    Now is when you mention the James Beard incedent and we point out that the guys involved in that were ex-convict aryan nation members and that's an entirely different and truly racist sub-culture.

    >>but the culture has almost no connection with minorities and this results in very ignorant attitudes with regards to race.< <

    This is so untrue that it's laughable. Rednecks are working class people and as such have constant contact with minorities. They work along side them, socialize with them and live in the same neighborhoods. There may be some areas in appalachia where this is not true, but in the exurban areas I've studied racial intermingling is a central part of redneck culture.

    >>This is my opinion but i think its pretty sound and seems consistent with my studies in ‘cultural studies’<<

    You need to study some more because you’re totally off-base. Take a trip to Prince Georges County Maryland or any of the Texas counties between Austin and Houston sometime.

    Dave

  • Eric Olsen

    fascinating thread with some truth from all corners.

    Quick thoughts: I enjoy Matt’s take on areas of the culture not generally associated with gays — the sports world in particular — from the perspective as a fan AND a gay guy. This can be very enlightening and is very unusual, at least as is on display in the mainstream media.

    I am as removed from NASCAR, and I imagine “redneck culture,” almost as much as an American can be, but I do have the sense that NASCAR is trying to recognize and take advantage of the minority redneck culture that Dave describes and I too have seen to exist. I have met or known “redneck” whites, blacks, and Hispanics, but I also agree that one could dispute the definition of “redneck” as applied to non-whites and simply call it “rural, blue collar,” which would also apply.

  • Nick Jones

    “Just for fun I’m thinking of attending the Busch race again while wearing a gay pride shirt and jewelry just to see what kind of reaction I get. I’m guessing it’s not exactly going to be welcoming.”

    Have a DNA sample taken so the coroner can identify what’s left of you. Doesn’t sound like a wise choice to me. :(

  • HW Saxton

    Dave N., you hit it right on the head in
    regards to “Redneck Culture” and all the
    mixing of race largely due to economic
    circumstance. You made several real good
    points that I hope hit home with many of
    the BC readers. I wanted to go into it
    more at depth in my earlier post but it
    didn’t seem worth the time and bother.
    I’m glad you did though. Very articulate
    post. Have you ever had a chance to read
    “The Redneck Manifesto” by Jim Goad ???

    He covers many of the same ideas that
    you do but at greater length,of course
    since it’s a book. Just curious.

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    I wasn’t aware of the Goad book. Will check it out.

    I’m aware of ‘redneck’ culture here in Texas because I moved out of Austin and into the exurbs nearby and decided to get involved in the culture to at least some extent. I may not exactly fit in, but no one seems to mind, and you can learn a lot at county fairs and BBQ cookoffs, plus I have relatives who’ve been living out here a long time and laid the groundwork.

    Dave

  • http://blogcritics.org/ John

    This is all quite simple, white people aren’t allowed to do anything or have anything of their own these days. It’s rule one on the doctrine of ‘Political Correctness’, didn’t you hear? However, do not fear, Jesse Jackson has the grand plan to fix those evil, white NASCAR Nazis. Yes, indeed, they are ALL Nazis. Affirmative Action at the racetrack will cure the ills of those speeding racists and their genocide-bent collaborators. From now on, all Black drivers will get a five lap headstart and any undocumented workers that finish the race get the ‘Busch Amnesty Plan’. That’ll level the playing field and marginalize everyone nicely. Godspeed, Reverend Jackson!

  • http://www.diablog.us Dave Nalle

    I thought Jesse was just looking for a payoff to leave NASCAR alone – isn’t that his usual strategy?

    Dave

  • Eric Olsen

    failure to grasp the difference between discrimination and affirmative action does not a convincing argument make

  • Sydney

    Dave,

    As with many of your posts I find you look to disprove certain ‘facts’ here and there but I find you often miss the big picture. The reality is that there will always be ‘facts’ that are arguable. Even ‘facts’ are subjective, though it may sound like an oxymoron (political discourse is lasting proof of this ‘fact’).

    In any case, so here you argue that the rednecks of Texas are not racists or at the very least that they don’t intimidate the black community when they gather at large events such as NASCAR. We’ll that’s your opinion, but where I’m from we have what we call Rednecks, who all thought they are nice people, are not very tolerant or understanding of minorities. I converse with them everyday and it doesn’t take long to here the prejudices.

    Regardless of this, I think that Nascar is associated with redneck culture. This is my perception of the sport. I don’t think Blacks would feel overly welcome at an event where large numbers of white rural, blue collar, men gather. Even if it is all simply a misguided perception, it is one that most of us have, white supremacists and blacks alike. It’s our duty to reform institutions so that they gain their identity and membership based on race, but instead, based on “interest” .

    NASCAR, may be doing much to change it’s image, but I think it has a ways to go.

  • sydney

    Sorry correction to last post:
    “…their identity and membership based on race, but instead, based on “interest” .”

    Should be: ” that they DON’T gain…their identity and membership based on race, but instead, based on “interest” .

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    I don’t see why NASCAR needs to change their image. The image they have is not one they went looking for and it’s not one anyone questioned until Jesse Jackson tried to extort them. There’s no conspiracy here to keep blacks out of NASCAR, they just happen not to be interested on the same scale as whites. When do we start hounding the NHL for the same reason? Seen a lot of black hockey players or fans? Perhaps Canada should be sued because its national sport is clearly racist.

    Now there may be commercial reasons for NASCAR to do something. There’s money to be made off of black sports fans, and I’m sure they’d like to have that money. I’d bet that NASCAR management would kill or die to get a few good black drivers. It would be good for business. But that’s the only sensible reason for them to pursue this issue.

    BTW, Sydney, the only places you tend to find white rednecks who are racist are in places where there are no or very few blacks in the same communities. Where are you from, Idaho?

    Dave

  • sydney

    Dave,

    I wasn’t arguing that NASCAR was racist. I just said as a blanket statement, all organizations have to pull their weight and work to make themselves inclusive, even if there is little interst from minorities at that point in time.

    I’m not sayin jesse jackson is correct.. just commenting on the remarks in the post by some bloggers who said “Why can’t whites have their own organizations etc?” (Somthing along those lines).

    “BTW, Sydney, the only places you tend to find white rednecks who are racist are in places where there are no or very few blacks in the same communities. Where are you from, Idaho?”

    I’m from everywhere just about, and never have I stumbled accros a redneck culture that meets the description that you’ve been giving. However I don’t doubt that they may exist in some areas. I’m just saying it’s not the norm. Moreover, two very different cultural groups can coexist in a shared space in relative harmony (not killing one another), while still being racist towards one another. Or while still working within systmeically racist structures.

    And, I don’t know what texas you come from but the one I know has loads of racism and prejudice. Christ my roomate is black and he just moved from Austin because of the racial tension, after 11 years of living there.

    last word for me: I think NASCAR would do well to create a more inclusive image, though i don’t think they were being racist.

  • http://nowarforisrael.com/ Chaim Weitzman

    I think it’s healthy for Whites to have sports they can refer to as their own. As a Jew…I feel comfortable knowing that there’s always a place for Jews to be with our own kind, that being the state of Israel. In all fairness, I will defend the right of the National Alliance to distribute literature freely. We must remember…those who want the National Alliance to not be allowed to be heard, could come after another unpopular group next! Oh, and I feel the need to mention. As a Jew…it bothers me what is taking place over in Iraq right now. It will eventually come back and haunt my people, the Jewish people.

    http://nowarforisrael.com/

  • Eric Olsen

    “white people should have a sport of their own”? What the hell does this mean? Besides being completely racist in concept, the reality is that white people have MOST sports “to themselves” if you look at international sport: combine both summer and winter Olympics and I would guess the majority of the sports have 90% or higher white competitors. What an incredible pile of shit.

  • http://Stormfront.org TheTruth

    Since when is the National Alliance a white supremicist group? They hand out flyers that say “love your race” and encourage everyone to be proud of their heritage, not just whites.

  • http://selfaudit.blogspot.com Aaman

    I love all races, and which race can call itself separate from others? We’re all monkeys – I, for one, love doing the monkey

  • Eric Olsen

    I dig getting one with my simian roots too, Aaman!

  • Eric Olsen

    “love is monkey see and monkey do, that’s all it is, peaches”
    Michael Franks

  • ScottyPaine

    Whats the big deal? The people with the fliers were cool. Me and my friends liked the flyers and being around our own people for a change. Everyone needs to feel like they are where they belong. Isn’t that what diversity should be? actually Being diverse for a change?

  • Eric Olsen

    obviously this story has been picked up by some kind of white supremecist site/group. I like the gentle, friendly, “our own people” and “what’s the big deal? All races should be proud” horse shit. Fuckers

  • Dano

    So White people have most sports to themselves? Football? Baseball? Basketball? Where is it written that all sports have to have equal amounts of every ethnicity available? NASCAR is PUSHING to get minorities into the sport through projects like Drive for Diversity. Whites need not apply. And Wall Street is very interested in the minority markets they are not getting any money from because NASCAR is only appealing to mostly Whites. I remember reading an article where minorities were polled as to why they don’t watch NASCAR and do you know what the most responded to answer was? Because there isn’t anyone in the cars that looks like them! So, what’s wrong with keeping a White sport White because they want to see people in the cars that look like them? The National Alliance isn’t a bunch of Nazis. They just want White people to wake up and support their own race. When blacks talk of ‘their people’ do you call them a bunch of racist Black Panthers? Probably not, but the minute Whites start talking about ‘their people’ they are automatically labeled as a bunch of racist nazis. Sheesh!

  • http://selfaudit.blogspot.com Aaman

    Then stop calling it National assoc. and watch the advertising dollars dry up

  • Eric Olsen

    “Nazis” or not, the National Alliance is obviously a group of stone cold racists

  • http://www.elitistpig.com Dave Nalle

    If you talk about them, the Nazis will come. But they’re kindler gentler nazis. They just want us to get in touch with our racial feelings. All races are equal, but the white race just happens to be more equal than others.

    Dave

  • Eric Olsen

    well put Dave: separate but equal, except for the equal part

  • HW Saxton

    To think that “Modern Man” as we know
    him descended from the noble Simian is kind of an insult to monkeys IMHO.

    This is verified by posts #31, 33, 37 &
    39.

  • dano

    You left out #44.

  • christy carol

    Why are there so many racist in the first place? Does it really matter what color you are?God created us all and we should all love and care for one another.Regardless of what anyone say’s we are all brothers and sisters out here in this world.We all bleed the same.We have trouble else where in this world why create one here in America?Why can’t we look at the big problem’s out here like the starving people in really poor country’s?And put this crap to rest. Do something about that!Put time and effort you put in the racist crap into helping the one’s that really need our help.