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According to legend and the coming Super Bowl ad, American Christian missionaries Bob and Pam Tebow landed on Philippine shores to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to the local heathen natives and indoctrinate them into the Christian faith; thus saving them from eternal damnation. 

In 1987 a very pregnant Pam was diagnosed with dysentery and complications from a serious infection that threatened the life of her “unborn” child (their fifth). Concerned for the survival of the mother and predicting that her child would be stillborn, the local medical team strongly recommended that she immediately have an abortion.

Relying on prayer and her faith in God’s miracles, she defied her doctor’s advice and mere mortal mankind’s odds and soon after, on August 14 in nearby Makati City, she gave birth to a completely healthy boy. 

What this ad is implying is that if you chose to defy the odds and your doctor’s orders to abort a child for the sake of saving the mother’s life, God will give you a miracle child that will grow up to be not only a messiah and preacher of the Christian faith, but a legendary Heisman Trophy-winning football player as well.

Where this little fairytale falls flat on its face is in the idea that the Tebows would have entrusted the health of Mrs. Tebow and her fifth child to a doctor who would recommend an abortion in the first place. To compound the contradictions, we’re led to believe that the missionary Tebows would trust her to the care of a physician who, though from an overwhelmingly Catholic nation, didn’t know that the Philippines had passed a very strict law way back 1930 prohibiting any type of abortion, even in the case of rape or the mother’s life being threatened.

Articles 256, 258 and 259 of the 1930 Revised Penal Code of the Philippines call for:

imprisonment for the woman who undergoes the abortion, as well as for any person who assists in the procedure, even if they be the woman's parents, a physician or midwife. Article 258 further imposes a higher prison term on the woman or her parents if the abortion is undertaken "in order to conceal [the woman's] dishonor." [emphasis added]

All attempts over the previous 56 years before Tebow’s birth to loosen those restrictions have failed, mostly because of the opposition of the strong and influential Catholic Church in the region.

Could Tim Tebow be our next “Balloon Boy”?

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  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Funny isn’t it how CBS wouldn’t allow a Super Bowl ad from the Episcopal church welcoming gays into their ministry and congregations, but they’re running anti-abortion ads now?

  • U wish

    Pro – Life not anti abortion. You seem to deny this woman’s right to choose life. The truth is that the mother WAS spared and the child did have a chance to live a very productive life

  • Irene Wagner

    Jet, you’re back! I hope you’re in good health. I was going to read the article, but read the last two comments and decided to skip it.

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    Wow, Jet! Excellent article. Excellent observation!

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    #3 I’ll return the favor on your next article Irene

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    #3-The triple bypass didn’t work last year, next week I have to go in for another proceedure and I’m trying to get in a few “last harrahs” before I do.

    That’s why I’ve been absent…

    Considering that it’s just under 400 words and one page, I’d have thought it was worth reading?

    :(

  • http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/us-and-them-and-after-all/ Irene Wagner

    That’s too bad, Jet. You wrote a lovely comment on the last article I wrote here.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    U-wish seems to be anti-choice

  • http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/us-and-them-and-after-all/ Irene Wagner

    I’m sure it was well-written Jet.
    Yeah, I know, you turn around for five minutes around here, and you find out what people REALLY think of you.
    Hope the next procedure goes well. Ta-ta.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Good article, Jet. Very slick!

    The Tebows are clearly mistaken, but I don’t think they’re deliberately lying. They’ve doubtless told the story of their Miracle Child many, many times over the years, and because of the tenuous nature of memory, and the natural human tendency to conflate, little details got added and changed along the way.

    I myself have several vivid memories of events from my childhood which I know logically cannot possibly have happened the way I remember them.

    To give the Tebows the benefit of the doubt, I suppose it’s possible that Mrs Tebow’s doctor might have recommended she travel outside the Philippines to get the abortion; or might have referred her to an illegal abortion provider (your Wikipedia source says that about 400,000 such procedures are performed in the Philippines each year).

    However, I think if that had been the case the Tebows, or Focus on the Family, might have mentioned it. It would have given them an opportunity of portraying an abortion advocate as willing to go to any lengths to slaughter their son.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Thanks Doc. They selected a doctor that would recommend an abortion despite his obvious knowledge of the law.

    I’d say that focus on the family heard the story and decided to capitalize on it, and the Tebows got in over their head and didn’t want to admit that maybe their story sort of grew and distorted over the years.

    If you’ve ever seen pictures of Tebow’s girlfriend, you’d know he’s not leading a moral “moral” life.

    A lot of born-agains are hypocrits like that-do as I judgementally say that God says to do-not as I do.

  • http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/us-and-them-and-after-all/ Irene Wagner

    I read the article Jet. Yes it WAS well-written. I don’t know that much about Catholic doctrine, but I DO know that in America, long before the 1970’s an abortion* to save the life of the mother was legal. It happened all the time with tubal pregancies–a tiny little human suspended in water who would struggle for a little while but there was nothing anyone could do for him or her. To leave the developing baby inside the mother would mean disaster. The baby couldn’t grow there anymore than he could grow outside the mother.

    I’m not sure the situation for pregnant mothers whose life was in danger was the same in the Philippines as it was in America. I don’t have any reason, as some of you do apparently, to assume otherwise.

    I’m not an expert

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Thanks for the clarification Irene :)

  • http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/us-and-them-and-after-all/ Irene Wagner

    Always glad to help, Jet. I’ll even say a prayer for your next operation.

    Hey, by the way, here’s a snippet from comments made by Washington Sports columnist Sally Jenkins about the current Tempest in a Tea-bo-Pot “…I’ll spit this out quick, before the armies of feminism try to gag me and strap electrodes to my forehead: Tim Tebow is one of the better things to happen to young women in some time,” she fumes… I’m pro-choice, and Tebow clearly is not. But based on what I’ve heard in the past week, I’ll take his side against the group-think, elitism and condescension,” from abortion advocates…Here’s what we do need a lot more of: Tebows. Collegians who are selfless enough to choose not to spend summers poolside, but travel to impoverished countries to dispense medical care to children, as Tebow has every summer of his career. Athletes who believe in something other than themselves, and are willing to put their backbone where their mouth is. Celebrities who are self-possessed and self-controlled enough to use their wattage to advertise commitment over decadence…”

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Ah so by implication you’re saying that all supposed “Christian athletes” are saints and that all celebrities such as Brad Pitt and his efforts to save New Orleans are all self-obsessed and selfish heathens because they’re not republicans.

    Speaking of poolside perhaps you should check out the photos of Tebow and his very unchristian looking girlfriend with the big boobs poolside…

  • http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/us-and-them-and-after-all/ Irene Wagner

    Speaking of lying…I wonder how many people know about the change-of-heart Bernard Nathanson’s M.D. had. Listen as he talks about how he and his companions laughed while they made up slogans to promote the goals of NARAL (National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws back when he was the co-founder.)

    NARAL hasn’t changed its strategy much, I see. They’re at the forefront of this campaign to smear Tim Tebow.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Irene I could name just as many preposterous and ignorant “representatives” of the Pro-life movement who are no more representative of your side of the argument than NARAL is of mine.

    If we’re going to start throwing political mud, perhaps I should write about the new senator from Massechutesett’s nude photo spread and why it didn’t seem to make a difference to voters as much as if it’d been a female senator who might’ve appeared in PLAYBOY ten-fifteen years ago.

    I’m going to go eat dinner before I lose my appetite all together.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Great read, Jet. On the surface there are a few concerns I have about the spirit of the ad, but to be very honest with you, I really don’t have a problem with CBS airing the ad. A few days ago I was having a heated discussion with a few friends about this very issue.

    To the pro-lifers I posed a provocative question. Take yourself back to 1965. You’re a good white, Christian family. Your daughter gets pregnant by a Black man. Would you urge her to get an abortion? There was a long pause. The majority said yes. They were being honest with themselves in a very tough set of circumstances. For all intents and purposes, I have to wonder if anyone has ever considered that Barack Obama’s own mother was faced with the same dilemma. Not because she may have been on one side of the aisle or the other but out of concern for what her unborn child would face. In many respects Barack Obama is THE poster child for pro-life groups, they just won’t admit it because to do so would lend him legitimacy.

    I’ve got another provocative question for the pro-lifers. What if Tebow ran the commercial and said, “I’m a miracle. My Mom could have had an abortion and she didn’t. By the way, I’m gay.” Would those on the Right be so eager to embrace his message? Sure, they’ll sell you a bill of goods and make you believe one thing but their patterns of behavior manifest a different response behind closed doors.

    There’s got to be a civil forum where all sides of the issue can discuss it without all the religious fervor. For CBS it’s a business decision. If they want a Super Bowl free of controversy, then they just should limit all commercials to be within a certain parameter consistent with the viewer demographics — free of issues or politics. It’s that simple.

    In the meantime, after the game Sunday there’ll be plenty of footballers — players and fans — who will return to the privacy of their homes and have a gay old time.

  • http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/us-and-them-and-after-all/ Irene Wagner

    Small enough to get away with it modestly, I’d say. If she’d been in 1920’s style striped bathing outfit down to her knees, you’d have something else disparaging to say.

    Well here’s more on NARAL’s deceitful strategy. Looks like you’ve been checking out their “playbook” Jet. OK enough bad puns from me.

  • http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/us-and-them-and-after-all/ Irene Wagner

    Jet, senators don’t have anything to do with this. NARAL, its history, and its current campaign to smear Tebow (and you’re participating in it) DOES have something to do with it.

  • http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/us-and-them-and-after-all/ Irene Wagner

    Silas, third paragraph from the bottom of the last article I posted. There’s part of an answer.

    There are as many slams against Christians in this article as there are against the Tebows personally. Look, I’m not whining. The “persecution” Christians suffer from the way they’re unfairly given the back of the hand by articles like this is NOTHING compared to the TORTURE that imprisoned Christian human rights lawyers like Gao Zhisheng suffers every day– and people of other faiths in his country, too.

    HECK. The Tebows aren’t even CATHOLIC, are they? I’m out of here.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Thanks Silas

    Two wrongs don’t make a right (unless they’re radical right-wing nuts apparently) Right Irene?

    Typical ploy to distract from a subject you don’t have an argument for. Sort of like going on and on and on about ACORN to distract from a discussion about how stupid the “birthers” are to still insist Obama isn’t presidend because they didn’t know Hawaii was a state when he was born there.

    NARAL ISN’T THE SUBJECT HERE-Focus on Family’s fact checking is.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    NARAL’s deceitful strategy? You are kidding, right? I love the quote from Dr. Nathanson: AS A SCIENTIST I KNOW, NOT BELIEVE, KNOW THAT HUMAN LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION.

    Duh? Of COURSE human life begins at conception. It occurs when the sperm fertilizes the egg. There’s no debate there. The debate revolves around when does the spirit become part of the equation?
    Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
    breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became
    a living soul.

    Man at that point was a viable fetus capable of living outside the womb. Human life begins at conception. The spirit which drives the vessel does not arrive until the vessel is freed from the bondage of the womb. Fetuses aborted mechanically or naturally do not go on to become cherubs. They were not sentient beings to begin with, period.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    P.S. Jet, glad you’re better and sending positive thoughts your way.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Great article, Jet.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    SILAS have you lost your mind??? You’re making sense you fool!!! she’ll never understand, much less agree with that!

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner
  • Jordan Richardson

    Speaking of poolside perhaps you should check out the photos of Tebow and his very unchristian looking girlfriend with the big boobs poolside… click here

    I dunno, man. She looks pretty Christian to me. If nothing else, she might be a missionary.

    Good to have you back, Jet. Good article!

  • Jordan Richardson

    Focus on Family’s fact checking is.

    Focus on the Family’s f…f-a-c-t….

    I’m sorry. I’m not familiar with that term. One time James Dobson and a fact got into the same elevator and maaaaaaaaaan…

    What a kerfuffle that was!

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Thanks Jordan, google “Tebows girlfriend” in their images search and see what happened after she got her rather christian implants!

    yet another heart operation is scheduled for Friday the 12th… cross your fingers.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    God inspires plastic surgeons to beautify the Christian female so that she can be closer to God in her beauty because her “short comings” are the devil’s work. Didn’t you know that, Jet? Look at Heidi Montag. She found Jesus AND Spencer! And now she found boobs!

    My fingers are crossed for you on the 12th. If you want, I’ll even cross my legs.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    #25 thanks Roger

  • Jordan Richardson

    I think it’s Song of Solomon that says something along the lines of “I am a wall, and my breasts are like towers.”

    And fingers crossed, Jet. All the best.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Jordan there’s a famous Churchill quote that I’m reminded of.

    To paraphrase it, “They stumbled over the truth once. Fortunately they quickly got up, dusted themselves off and hurried away before anyone noticed…

    A quote from me?

    “I prefer to label my facts as opinions, unlike others who like to label their opinions as facts.”

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Great Silas-thanks a lot :) Now I’ll have a picture of you with your legs crossed all night.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    …which is better than having a picture of Tebow’s girlfriend’s new boobs stuck in my head I suppose?

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    LOL, Jet. I would have asked one of the girls to cross their legs for you but cruel and unusual punishment is unconstitutional.

    Seriously, though, Jet. I really do wish you all the best and have faith that it will all turn out in your favor.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Label, lable, labil, laybell-you say tomatoe-I say tomahto

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    …which is better than having a picture of Tebow’s girlfriend’s new boobs stuck in my head I suppose?

    Unless you’re on a sinking Titanic in the North Atlantic and need a couple of flotation devices. And, not for nuttin’, but Jet, you do have to admit, little Mr. Tebow pings louder than Andy Dick in the Colts’ locker room at half time.

    GO SAINTS!!!!!!!

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Yes Jordan, there are several passages in the Song of Solomon that can be rather “inspirational” for the young and young of heart.

    Thanks for the smile my friend.

  • http://jetsnewsviews.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Silas did you hear that Saints linebacker (and hunk) Fujita has just announced his backing of gay rights and gay marraige?

    Click here!

    I’d write an article about it, but it’d wind up in Culture instead of Sports again.

  • Jordan Richardson

    Could be worse, Jet. It could wind up in Science and Tech.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Yeah, he’s a cool guy. One of the few good straight athletes in this country.

  • http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/us-and-them-and-after-all/ Irene Wagner

    You should’ve googled “NOT Tim Tebow’s girlfriend” Sherlock.

  • http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/us-and-them-and-after-all/ Irene Wagner

    SO, speaking of fact-checking, it’s time to post another link to learn about Bernard Nathanson M.D., cofounder of National Association for the appeal of Abortion Laws.

  • http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/us-and-them-and-after-all/ Irene Wagner

    Appeal. Ha!

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Apparently she missed Comment #22… and people still wonder why I’m gay

  • http://www.EurocriticsMagazine.com Christopher Rose

    Sila, what is this “spirit” you speak of? I’ve only ever seen spirits in a bottle…

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Kind of wondered about that too, Silas.

    “Human life begins at conception. The spirit which drives the vessel does not arrive until the vessel is freed from the bondage of the womb” – you say.

    Well, at least you speak of the vessel, so Rose isn’t exactly off point.

    Would you care to elaborate this analogy?

  • http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/us-and-them-and-after-all/ Irene Wagner

    If Adam had had a belly-button, there would have been something to discuss. He didn’t, and there’s not.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    If Adam had existed, there would have been something to discuss. He didn’t, and there’s not.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Excellent observation EB, my question is how she knew he didn’t have one?

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    What irks me at times is how she can just “declare” something as fact with nothing to back it up!

    Where the hell in the bible does it say Adam had no bellybutton?

    …and please don’t come back with a “because she says so”.

    I label my facts as opinions, unlike others who label their opinions as facts.
    Jet

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    #48-Chris, I was always taught that the bible teaches that the body has no spirit (soul) until the breath of life enters it.

    A baby has no soul or identity because it has not taken its first breath. In some religions it takes even longer, such as being baptized or has taken communion or celebrated Bar Mitzvah.

    That’s why people are issued BIRTH certificates-not Conception certificates.

    I label my facts as opinions, unlike others who label their opinions as facts.
    Jet

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Jet,

    The bible was written by politically motivated people, at least every version we have read. Unless you are hiding the dead sea scrolls under your bed.

    We was not allowed to eat meat on Fridays when I was a kid. Today we know that this ruling actually came from Cleopatra’s physician..they wanted everyone to get more iodine in their diets…

    and that doily I used to have to wear on my head during Mass, Burqa light!

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    I label my facts as opinions, unlike others who label their opinions as facts.

    good!

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    We were not allowed to eat meat on Fridays when I was a kid.

    I corrected it.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Jeannie, after googling that phrase in several different ways, I can find no one that has used it before, so I attribute it to myself.

    I’ll gladly stop using it if proven wrong.

    By using it I’m not attempting to belittle anyone but myself, as I’m no more sure of my facts than anyone else in this world. I just don’t trust those who insist on pushing their opinions on others-insisting on them agreeing with them-just because they say so.

    …of course I could be wrong?

    “I label my facts as opinions, unlike others who label their opinions as facts”
    Jet

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    I promise I not to bite ya…

    :{bye

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    I agree with you wholeheartedly Jet.

    :[ I remember meeting you in the middle of my brain storm last year, sorry…

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    But, I have been at this desk for soo long. That right now, I have to go for a while..I’ll come back later..:)

    :) Thanks for speaking to me

  • Ruvy

    I’m glad to see Irene’s comments on your opinion article, Jet – particularly her comments by Dr. Nathanson, who obviously now repents what he did in pushing for abortion laws to be overthrown in your country. What he is doing is called t’shuva in my faith. He led millions into sin, and now, by saying what he does, he is trying to undo the evil he did. At least he tries. I respect him for that.

    In 1970, when what was then called “abortion reform” came up in the State of New York, I was all for the liberalization of the law – not because I was “pro-abortion” or “anti-life” or any of this other garbage. The idea that Catholic ideology should dictate New York state penal law was repugnant to me. Under Jewish law, abortion is not murder. It is not recommended of course, but it is not murder. And I resented a Catholic legal formula being shoved down Jewish girls’ throats (and Jewish doctors’ throats), and that was what the New York state penal code basically was – a Catholic legal formula. In other words, my views had nothing to do with “women’s rights” – it had to do with the religious rights of the Jewish minority in the United States, particularly the State of New York.

    Four years later, I got a dose of what “it’s my body, and I’ll do what I please with it” really meant when my then girl-friend aborted the baby she was carrying – my baby – without even telling me. She didn’t stay my girl-friend for long and I couldn’t really forgive her – even though she begged me to live with her afterwards.

    And over the years, I’ve come also to reverse my views on abortion – though I oppose making it illegal. I think it should be made a lot harder to get than it is now, especially in Israel, and there should be strong public education initiatives to get girls who get pregnant to at least seek out adoptive parents rather than consider abortions of convenience. Obviously, if the baby threatebs te mother;s life, the baby ,not themother should be sacrificed, but efforts can and should be made to savwe both, not merely the mother. Medical technology has pused the age of viability for a fetus lower and lower over the last twenty years.

    I have to respect Sarah Palin for carrying her first child to term (she was single when she conceived her now-husband’s baby), and I have to respect her daughter for carrying her illegitimate baby to term. She did not have an abortion of convenience. She did what was right, not what was easy. And she did it in the full view of a hostile and contemptuous public with a mindset like yours, Jet. That says a lot of good things about the girl and about the woman who raised her.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Ruvy,

    Look at what you wrote,

    I have to respect Sarah Palin for carrying her first child to term (she was single when she conceived her now-husband’s baby), and I have to respect her daughter for carrying her illegitimate baby to term.

    She uses that baby like a prop! Haven’t you noticed that when she holds it in her arms, that the child is faced away from her?

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    And how do you really feel towards babies? I’m talking about American babies…

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Ruvy-Thanks for sharing that. As always a free flow of ideas are always welcome… No one agrees with everything that anyone writes, but I cherish the mixture of intelligence that I’ve seen so far here.

    “I label my facts as opinions, unlike others who label their opinions as facts”
    Jet

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    DITO!

  • Ruvy

    And, yes, Jet, I AM an expert on the age of viability for a fetus. My first son was born at 27 weeks into the pregnancy at a little over 800 grams – less than a 2 lb. hunk of Swiss cheese. He had an operation on his heart (he was a blue baby) at two days of age. That was in April of 1989. He is now a full-grown man with a part-time job in a book-store in J-lem. Since 1989, the age of viability for a fetus has been pushed down from 26 weeks to less than that – but not much less than that.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    You know it’s amazing how the anti-abortion lobby is soooooo concerned about “unborn” children (a term as ridiculous as “pre-owned car”) right up until the moment of birth; and then the kid is on its own. They’re more concerned in exerting their moral judgment than anything to do with that soul that was just born.

    Why aren’t they selfrighteous enough to be holding telethons to support, clothe, educate and feed all of those kids they’ve demanded be saved-that are now an economic burden on our society?

    “I label my facts as opinions, unlike others who label their opinions as facts”
    Jet

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    That is an interesting concept, Ruvy, for determining when fetus is no longer a fetus but a living being – the age of viability.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Nothing like painting an entire group of people with a big broad brush,Ruvy.

    I like or dislike people as I find them, one at a time…even Republicans. :}

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    #67-I never said you weren’t Ruvy

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Another good one, Jet – “unborn children” likened to a “pre-owned car.”

    Just keep your wit and I bet you’ll pull through.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Roger!

    Hey, how you doing?

    :0 Is my article safe in pending? Clavos is not here…

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    “One at a time.”

    You must have picked it up from me, Jeannie.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    You’ll be OK. It means it’s still being edited.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Roger,
    The reason I ask you, is that I had it locked and apparently it was unlocked , but not by me.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    A fact or an expert is only valid depending on how many people believe him/her/it at the time of expression.

    Of course I could be wrong?

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    One day at a time? :) that’s how I live.

    I look in the obituaries to see if my name is there!

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Jet,

    Watch out for Frankie’s people…

  • http://willkillforfood.com Lisa McKay

    Jeannie, “locked” simply means that an article is open in someone’s browser (the “someone” can only be the author of the article OR a BC editor). It’s a fail-safe that keeps us from editing over one another (in other words, two people can’t edit at the same time).

    Your article is perfectly safe in pending until Clavos gets to it, and you can direct questions like this to the editorial staff.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    I have allot of opinions and I make many comments, but, nobody is paying me!

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Lisa,

    Sorry, I should have E-mailed you I guess.
    Thank you! :)

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    I made a good copy of my final version anyway…just to know

  • Ruvy

    Jeannie,

    And how do you really feel towards babies? I’m talking about American babies…

    Babies are nice – so long as somebody else changes their diapers – I’ve put in my diaper duty already…. And it is hard to differentiate a baby by nationality. When they are wet, they cry, when they are hungry, they cry, when they are tired, they cry, when they are full, they shit or pee, and when they are happy, they coo. And they do these same things all over the world.

    And if treated right, they grow into wonderful people – usually….

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    “Your article is perfectly safe in pending until Clavos gets to it,”

    no comment :)

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    Then why so anti-US? we are big babies, all of us.

    :} kidding, Ruvy

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    OK Jet, my paranoid moment passed without fire works.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    What do you mean? no comment…

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    fireworks.

  • http://jeanniedanna.wordpress.com/ jeannie danna

    I’m off! bye :)

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    88-re my-85-perhaps Lisa could’ve worded it a little differently… ha ha

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    If the Saints win, do we all have to glue bobbleheads of them on our dashboards?

  • Ruvy

    That is an interesting concept, Ruvy, for determining when fetus is no longer a fetus but a living being – the age of viability.

    I’m not suggesting a standard here, Roger. That is above my pay-grade. Minimum age of viability means the age a fetus can survive outside the mother (with a lot of technological help). I’m not suggesting that it be used as a standard to determine when an abortion should be illegal.

  • Ruvy

    And now, I’m gone for the night. Bye!

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    I understand that. Still, it is an interesting way of looking at things. Never thought about it that way.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    And it is hard to differentiate a baby by nationality. When they are wet, they cry, when they are hungry, they cry, when they are tired, they cry

    There actually is a recent study which suggests that within a couple of days of being born, babies are crying in a different way depending on their parents’ native tongue.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Very interesting Doc, I’ll have to look that one up!

  • Irene Wagner

    Jet Gardner, do you mean to tell me you have no idea what a belly button does? You don’t have to answer me if you don’t like. But I DID end up reading your article and saying that I thought it was well-written. At least.

    Sorry I missed you Ruvy. I keep checking for the article when I stop by.

  • Irene Wagner

    LOL. Cindy…

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    …and people wonder why I’m gay

  • http://thingsalongtheway.blogspot.com/ Cindy

    lol Jet! lol CF!

  • pablo

    104

    I don’t wonder at all Jet.

  • Irene Wagner

    So how about it, Jet. Tell me what a belly button is for?

  • Irene Wagner

    (Pablo I may wonder why, but I am QUITE sure I had nothing to do with it.)

  • http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/us-and-them-and-after-all/ Irene Wagner

    If Adam HAD had a belly button, it would have been utterly superfluous. A belly button is the remnant of the umbilical cord that is the lifeline between a mother and the child in her womb. Adam didn’t have a mother.

    Silas can’t use the part about God breathing life into Adam, and then NOT use the part about God making Adam from the dirt of the ground. Silas was trying to make a parallel between Adam, pulled from the ground, and a newborn baby, pulled from the womb. Adam wasn’t alive before God breathed life into him. A fetus is alive before she takes her first breath of air.

    Now Silas, if you ever come back here and see this: try to remember a conversation in the Bible between two pregnant women. What did they say to one another? That’s all I am going to say about that. You can do the rest of the thinking for yourself.

    The one they were talking about? A lot of people know him and love him without having the same convictions about abortion (and any of a number of other things) I do. There are some things that are important. And then there are other things that are more important. First things first. Listening to me sometimes, I don’t think people would think I believe that. But I do.

    Well, I’ve done enough damage I guess.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Sweet JESUS save us all!

    Irene what are you nattering about? Where are you getting this information about Adam and what the hell has deluded you into thinking you’re an expert on the subject?

    We’re talking about my suspicion.OPINION of Tim Tebow’s parents making up a lie about him being a miracle baby, which may or may not be true, and that Focus On Family grabbed the football and ran with it before they checked the facts.

    OBVIOUSLY you weren’t in the Garden of Eden-if the damned thing even existed at all and if it did-the event much less a DETAILED description of Adam’s anatomy is nowhere in the Bible to be found-NOT EVEN HIS RACE IS MENTIONED!

    You profess to be such a goddamned expert on the subject and actually what you’re doing is TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN GOD’S FUCKING MOUTH-like all right wing-nut born agains do… trying to distract from the fact that you can’t contribute anything intelligent towards the subject at hand!

    Just because you say it, doesn’t make it so no matter how christian you are.

    You remind me of a snooty old woman from the 1900’s who visited Yellowstone National Park, saw Old Faithful and demanded that it be dynamited and destroyed because she believed it was the work of the devil because she didn’t understand how it worked, and since she was arogant enough to profess herself as the be-all God’s representative on this planet, declared it evil for all to hear.

    Can you imagine what would’ve happened if she’d succeeded?

    Irene YOU ARE NOT THE VOICE OF GOD-and hopefully never will be… thank god

    please come back when you have something other than distractions that have nothing whatsoever to do with the converstation

    love
    Jet

  • Irene Wagner

    So why not just say that you’re pissed off at Focus on the Family, and why, instead of ripping into Tim Tebow?

  • Irene Wagner

    You just ended up looking when you might’ve gotten a hearing with Christians (this is about prop 8 and not abortion, I think) about things that really matter to you, Jet.

  • Irene Wagner

    …like Proposition 8. You don’t get people to understand at least PART of your point of view with respect to Proposition 8…

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    More distractions-where the hell was prop 8 mentioned anywhere in the article?

  • Irene Wagner

    …by telling them that their football hero is a liar…

  • Irene Wagner

    You’re all about Prop 8, Jet. I don’t know where else all the venom would be coming from.

  • Ruvy

    Sorry I missed you Ruvy. I keep checking for the article when I stop by. Damn!

    [Edited]

    This article, Abortion Rights Groups Go Nuclear on Tim Tebow Ad from Pajamas Media probably represents American points of view rather well – a lot better than this article, which is colored by sheer jealousy.

  • Irene Wagner

    I don’t care to be identified with Proposition 8 either. But I sense that when anyone who comes by who speaks of Jesus, you see a big PROPOSITION EIGHT tatooed across their forehead.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    That’s the most preposterous thing I’ve heard so far-Prop 8 is about calling football heros liars?

    What are you smoking?

  • Irene Wagner

    Thanks for that link, Ruvy.

  • Irene Wagner

    Jet talking to you is crazy-making. I can’t do it anymore.

  • Irene Wagner

    Eh but I probably will.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    119 the venom is coming from you self-righteously declaring your opinions as facts, and with each one they get a little more bizarre

  • Irene Wagner

    Jealous of what though, Ruvy. I thought Jet was really angray…and unfair..but jealous? I don’t get that. What do you mean?

  • Ruvy

    [Irene Wagner]

    Having grown up in the States and lived there for many years, as well as having been politically active there, I have some understanding of the long standing hot-button issues there, like abortion rights.

    But given that we’ve lived here in Israel for 8½ years now, that grasp of issues can slip a bit. As for the Superbowl, it never really interested me. That’s because for many years we lived in Minnesota and the “Vi-queens” went to the Superbowl four separate times – and lost! So “somebody else” is always playing. Why should I care?

  • Irene Wagner

    Lets ask Reuven the Jew, then Jet. Ruvy, when you read the first book of the Pentateuch…about Adam…

  • Irene Wagner

    …would you say that even in the original Hebrew…there is ANYTHING to suggest Adam had a belly button. Of course not…so let me go back and read 128 which looks like it will have something sensible to read…

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Ruvy, I tried to send you an e-mail earlier today but it was returned. The triple bypass didn’t work last year and I’m scheduled for another proceedure this Friday.

    I’m too damned young for this.

    If you have my sbcglobal e-address, please send me your new one.

    Friends through adversity
    Jet

  • Irene Wagner

    I don’t know anything about football, Ruvy, and I’ve become pretty disillusioned with the politics of abortion laws. I do care about making SURE women know what they’re getting into when they make that choice. Now THAT”s being a feminist with her head screwed on straight.

    Were those the fans that painted themselves blue? Or the ones that wore foam cheeses on their heads? See? I’m totally out of the football loop.

  • Ruvy

    Irene, the Columbia Broadcasting System turned down a gay-rights ad for the Superbowl, citing their “standards”. Had they not done so, and carried that ad along with the Family Focus ad, I doubt we would have seen this angry screed from Mr. Gardner on Tim Tebow and the Family Focus.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Reuven the Jew Irene? Is that all that he is to you? By your comments am I to believe that all I am to you is an unchristian fag/queer/pervert

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    No as usual your wrong Bellybutton, the ire comes from CBS refusing to run an ad from the Episcopol Church welcoming gays to come and worship with them.

  • Irene Wagner

    Being a Jew is a high honor Jet. Ruvy knows I know that.

    OK Ruvy (133) Yes….

  • Irene Wagner

    …is that true, then, Jet. Would we have seen this angry screed if the Episcopal church had been run? (We are getting into territory that confuses me even more than feminism does, incidentally…

  • Irene Wagner

    So why didn’t you talk about the ad, then, and how you’d like to be able to go to a church without someone calling you a fag….instead of ripping into Tebow and Christians in general?

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    “…CBS rejected an ad on behalf of the United Church of Christ targeting gay parishioners with the tagline: “Jesus Didn’t Turn People Away. Neither Do We.”

    At the time, CBS claimed it had a policy of refusing advertising that “touches on and/or takes a position on one side of a current controversial issue of public importance”. In contrast its response to the proposed Focus on Family commercial has been altogether more vague, stressing that “[CBS’s] standards and practices continue to adhere to a policy that insures that all ads on all sides of an issue are appropriate for air”. Officially the network has only approved the scripts and could still pull the advertisement before 7 February, but the general belief is that it is unlikely to do so.”

  • Irene Wagner

    I don’t get it Jet. It seems this animosity of yours has going on a long time before CBS’s superbowl ad spots were an issue.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    The article-had you read it-has to do with whether or not the tale of his “miracle birth” is fact or fiction, considering the holes in it.

    I would’ve written an article about CBS if that was my point-your confusing this article with another on the same subject.

    Unlike you I admit when I’m wrong-it was the Church of Christ… such an evil and immoral organization.

  • Irene Wagner

    What am I wrong about? Adam having a belly button? What did I do wrong that I’m supposed to be owning up to?

    And I DID read the article. I told you I did, after I overcoming its..screedishness.

  • Irene Wagner

    I can’t even write I’m so tired.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    My animosity is with people who profess to know things that are in the Bible that aren’t really there, or people who twist what they read to mean anything they want true or not on the principal of “What if she is a spokesman for god” we better hold her in high regard.

    yes I HATE anyone who tries to shove their “version” of religious/christian dogma down everyone’s throat.

    Passages can be found in the bible to back any opinion you want if you look hard enough, but you and your bellybutton are nowhere to be found.

    As a teenager I dreamed of teaching religion in the Presbyterian Seminary before I was told I was too evil by followers of such religious experts of the Orange Juice Queen Anita Bryant…

  • Irene Wagner

    As “a teacher of religion in the Presbyterian Seminary” you may have been called upon to push your version of dogma down quite a few throats, Jet. It seems that Anita’s opposition might have kept you from going down a path that wouldn’t have suited you at all anyway.

  • Irene Wagner

    As to your deeper objections to what the Bible has to say about homosexuality, though…those I can understand your tripping over.

    I would have a hard time with them if I were gay. And I do have a hard time with them even though I’m not.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Here’s a reading assignment for you Irene-I read all of yours-are you going to do the same for me?

    click here

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    You’ll find the article I want you to read just below the table of contents.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Is there anyone left still wondering why there are no federally mandated Jewish or Islamic national holidays in the United States?

  • Ruvy

    I’m assuming that Irene is off to dreamland for the night. It’s almost 01:00 in Idaho and I get very sleepy about then – unless some hot news hits.

    Jet, just tell me your mom’s name, and I’ll have a mishebérakh (blessing for the sick) recited for you at the synagogue at the Torah readings on Monday and Thursday. Post it her name here.

    You’re not the only guy in trouble, by the way. A friend of my son who has epilepsy had a massive seizure on Friday, and they had to induce a coma to prevent him from killing himself from exhaustion. This happened to my mother-in-law 20 years ago, and when she finally came out of it, she had lost a good part of her memory. She was never the same again.

    If you can say prayers and psalms for yehoshúa aharón ben sárah hénya, I’d appreciate it.

  • Irene Wagner

    You’ve read BOTH of mine you mean. Not fair to make me read more than TWO of yours, really, but I’ll look up the one you want.

    There’s too much in the Bible that I know to be true for me to be able, at this point, to be snipping out the parts I don’t like or can’t understand.

    God hurt by your homosexuality. You hurt (and confused) by God’s hurt. Who made who what way?

    I’ll get on a soap box about abortion Jet. I can’t do the same about homosexuality.

    I’m in the middle of hurt I don’t understand. God’s and yours.

    So I’m off to read your article, and then…to bed. Good luck with the op. Jet, and the talk.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I have serious complications of my own-Anthem is demanding I pay 25% of the total cost of my perscriptions now but won’t help me unless I pay a $625 deductible first and monthly premiums, and I don’t have the money-I haven’t had insulin, Cozaar or Nexium in two weeks, which could mean serious somplications during surgery. My Blood sugar average is up in the low 300s, the Cozaar is for my heart and the nexium is for ulcers-all complications from the robbery/beating in 2004

    I’m getting too much from Disability to qualify for help from local agencies and it has me truly scared.

    My mom’s name is Nellie.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Ruvy, truth be told-so many people like you of such strong faith have prayed for me, and the situation over the last five years has only gotten worse and worse and more hopeless (as you know) to the point of my faith in the power of prayer has all but completely been lost, as has my faith in God.

    I love you my friend and envy your unswerving faith.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    …which is why my on-line diary is entitled “Bloggin on the edge of suicide”

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Irene, here’s a teaser of what I wrote in the article * if you actually make it that far without branding it religious heresay…

    2. Every word in the Bible is true, accurate and infallible.
    The divine texts are the first best source of “facts.” “The lord giveth and the lord taketh away,” is a generally accepted “quoted for truth” statement because it’s written in the Holy Scriptures. In our troubled times of need or of great loss, that comforting phrase is quoted constantly and repeatedly as indisputable fact.

    But…

    In the actual biblical story of Job, the Lord indeed did “giveth.” However, God got a bad “rap” in the deal, because it was the devil that “taketh” away relentlessly and repeatedly to test Job’s faith. Granted, Job indeed spoke the famous and grossly over-quoted line, but he was absolutely and undeniably wrong, which conflicts with what we were taught all through our life… that the Bible word-for-word is “gospel.”

    So whom do you believe — Job and the people who tell you that every word written in the Bible is fundamentally an absolute unerring fact, or your own eyes after reading the quote in context? This is a perfect example of how someone can conveniently pick and choose which words in the Bible mean what he/she wants them to mean, regardless of context. The danger is once that is done, other Christians blindly follow along en mass as witnessed by the phrase being used almost continuously through the years by them thereafter.

    It all comes down to which source of information you rely on, or more importantly on the attitudes of those who taught you your “facts”.

  • Irene Wagner

    I read it, Jet, and I’m glad you zeroed in on just one part of a long article to talk about. God I am so tired..but I’ll talk about all the ways that I AGREE with what you’ve just said…as in…”it was the DEVIL that taketh away relentlessly”

    Amen JET.

  • Irene Wagner

    Jet, after the earthquake in Haiti, when everyone was asking, who did it, whose fault was it? The Haitians? A God who is either not there, or there or is cruel?

    And there’s the answer: EXACTLY the part of the Bible you’re referring to: Job 1:6 When SATAN said, Job only worships you because you’ve given him a good life…let’s see if you still loves you when I get through with him.”

    There’s A LOT more going on than an angry God sending lightening bolts. It’s a huge war between forces of good and evil. Job didn’t understand how small and incomplete his view of God and the Universe was until the end of the BOOK of Job.

    Job says: (its the very last chapter)..”I uttered that I understood not, thngs too wonderful for me, which I knew not…I have heard of thee by the heraing of the ear, but NOW MINE EYE SEETH THEE. Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.”

    (and God forgives him right away, and life gets good for Job again)

    ….so the BOOK of Job ends up telling us Job didn’t have all the answers, and that he ends up realizing that he doesn’t. He just knows that God is good, no matter what happens.

  • Irene Wagner

    So, that’s how I agree with you, Jet.

    As to your situation right now, I figure you might be like Job in some ways. Maybe Satan had a conference about YOU with God, just like he had with Job. I don’t know how it will turn out.

    I hope you keep on the living side of suicide Jet. One thing I DO know for sure. Prayer isn’t always about things getting healed. The biggest miracle is when you pray for something, and God says, no, but I will show you, that whatever happens, I’m enough for you.

    It pisses Satan off when you say, OK, God, whatever. So piss Satan off, Jet. Start talking to God again.

    And that’s really all I have to say.

  • Irene Wagner

    For now, I mean.

  • Ruvy

    Jet,

    Follow Irene’s advice. I may not like the “salad dressing” she uses on her “salad”, but she makes an awful clever salad….

    Start talking to God again.

    Smart girl, that….

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Haiti had an earthquake because of a geological fault line, not because Pat Robinson suddenly remembered them making a pact with the devil to be free of the French hundreds of years ago… either that of God is so overloaded with human requests that he just now got around to dealing with with the situation.

    … of course I could be wrong?

    I label my facts as opinion; unlike others that label their opinion as facts.
    Jet

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Irene, It frightens me when you agree with me, so please try to limit yourself in the future…. :)

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    …The network’s two most controversial decisions – to accept the anti-abortion spot with the mother of quarterback Tim Tebow and to reject the ad for the gay dating service Man Crunch – show a curious inconsistency.

    Anyone who thinks that sex is out of bounds on CBS Sports has not watched much football this season. Each week brings an onslaught of advertising for erectile dysfunction drugs, often preceded by close-up shots of NFL cheerleaders accentuating their cleavage.

    If the CBS concern is about awkwardness with young children, I think most parents would find it easier to deflect – or laugh off – the slapstick Man Crunch ad than explain a narrator’s somber warning to seek medical attention “for an erection lasting more than four hours.”

    In the Man Crunch ad, two jersey-clad guys inadvertently touch hands while reaching into a bowl of chips, then plunge into a comically frenzied make-out session. If history is a guide, commercials featuring women – aimed at heterosexual men – will be far racier. Past Super Bowls have featured ads with a woman flashing her breasts at a congressional hearing and two women tearing each other’s clothes off in a mud-bath fight over whether Miller Lite was “great tasting” or “less filling.”

    At least the Man Crunch stars had the decency to keep their jerseys on.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    I see digging eachother’s articles didn’t last very long…

  • Arch Conservative

    “What this ad is implying is that if you chose to defy the odds and your doctor’s orders to abort a child for the sake of saving the mother’s life, God will give you a miracle child that will grow up to be not only a messiah and preacher of the Christian faith, but a legendary Heisman Trophy-winning football player as well.”

    Gee it’s great then that the abortion lobbyists would never approach the issue with anything but honesty and frankness huh Jet?

    I mean it’s not as if the pro abortion crowd seeks to paint the entire issues as a choice between the mom’s life and the baby’s in every case when in fact that reality accounts for less than 2% of all abortions.

    And the abortion providers certainly would never purposely deny women the information regarding the possible negative physical and mental effects of having an abortion prior to their making a decision…..right?

    Oh and why is it that so called “pro-choicers” get so angry when a woman actually makes the choice not to abort. it hardly seems fair to call yourself pro-choice when you so readily castigate and ridicule any woman that doe snot make the “correct choice.”

    The fact is there’s plenty of horseshit and hypocrisy being spread around on both sides of this issue.

    As far as the ad itself goes. I have not seen it but I think Jet is interpreting much too literally. Who is actually going to see it and believe that God made Tebow a Heisman trophy winner? It’s ludicrous.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Of course the trauma of a woman having to raise and love a child whose mere presense reminds her of the man who raped her, or left her as soon as she became pregnant doesn’t count for anything either does it Arch?

    As usual (but not surprisingly) you’ve ignored that the point of the editorial here is that Tebow is being presented as a miracle child with a less than believable fairytale to back it up.

  • Arch Conservative

    Rape…that accounts for about 1% of all abortions.

    Being reminded of the man that left her….yes killing the baby is always the best answer.

    The point of this article was boring and not worth discussing.

    No reasonable person is going to see the ad and think that Tebow’s life is a miracle. You can bash CBS all you want but stupidity in advertising is nothing new. As I’ve admitted I’ve not seen the ad. But, as someone who is pro-life, if it is a bad as you’re claiming I join you in calling it dumb. That should take all of 2 seconds and not necessitate an article and ensuing comments.

    But my guess is that if NARAL or PP had come out with an equally ridiculous ad for their point of view BC would have not had the pleasure of a Jet Gardener article on it.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Oh… well if the percentage is that low-or so you say-they don’t matter anyway, right?

    If even one bundle of cells is “murdered” that’s everything to you, but if 2-3000 women are raped or abandonded that’s an insignificant number.

    Next you’ll be telling me that your church has been raising money to support all of these un-aborted kids in your community-right? As I’ve said before Arch-you could care less after these kids are born, or before they are for that matter-you just care that your “values” are pushed on everyone else-that makes you feel powerful.

    In fact nothing matters to you that you don’t agree with does it?

    You want the perfect solution to abortion… shoot your dick! Take it down to the ASPCA and have them put it to sleep!

    I label my facts as opinion; unlike others that label their opinion as facts.
    Jet

  • Arch Conservative

    “Oh… well if the percentage is that low-or so you say-they don’t matter anyway, right?”

    It matters 1% of the time. So when discussing abortion we should bring up rape about 1% of the time. That seems logical to me.

    Yes, if I don’t want to take care of all these kids I should just support killing them or keep my mouth shut right Jet? I mean it’s a much better thing to play god and pick and choose who gets to live based on what we think their lives might turn out like as you’d have us do………

    Oh and I don’t go to Church. I’m not religious in the least. You must assume that because I don’t have a raging hardon for abortion I must be a bible thumping fundy…shows how far your thought process on the issue reaches…….

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Is there an exorcist in the house?

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Of course you don’t go to church-why worship somone else when so many worship you?

  • Arch Conservative

    Now who’s off topic?

    Classic Jet Gardner tactic.

    When the going gets tough, change the subject.

    If you really want to see what I think of abortion there’s a good article from 1/30 titled “Being Pro-Life Choice” which I commented on extensively.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    The day you start writing articles of your own, I’ll respect your opinion, until then you’re nothing to me.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    You’re burning the bridges, guys. Soon, it’ll be the river of no return.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    At only 15 seconds this has to be the best commercial of the whole superbowl

  • Irene Wagner

    LOL.

  • Boeke

    Good article Jet. Glad to hear your health is good.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Thanks for the compliment Boeke-you’ve missed a few comments though-I’m scheduled for more surgery on my heart this Friday, the triple bypass January of 2008 didn’t work.

    To lighten things up, did you catch the great Letterman commercial in #168?

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Jet, THAT is the GREATEST commercial for Dave Letterman’s Show that I have EVER seen! Thank you for the link. I just came in to see the last 4 minutes of the game. There IS a God, the Saints are gonna win! This proves to the Far Right Fringe that God did NOT punish New Orleans. So Pat Robertson can kiss my Polish ass and plant a tree for Israel.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    It’s on my comment 168-The u-tube seems to be clearer than the CBS link-why I don’t know.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    I just love it. I give credit to all involved insofar as KEEPING A SECRET! It was a treat — I’ve loved David Letterman for 30 years and today I love him even more.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    According to Entertainment Weekly-here’s how the ad came about…

    ROB BURNETT: Well, the 10 seconds we did with Dave and Oprah for the Super Bowl in 2007 went pretty well and CBS came back and said we got 10 seconds again for this one. Nothing is more simultaneously exhilarating and fear-inducing than hearing you have 10 seconds in the Super Bowl. We were banging heads together. How do we come close to topping the last one? Then Dave got this idea. My first call was to Oprah – she got it right away – and then I called [CBS Corp. Chairman] Les Moonves to make sure he was OK with Jay being on CBS. I have to give Les credit … he got it immediately. And then I called [Leno’s executive producer] Debbie Vickers … who said, ‘Dave and Jay, in the same room?’ She laughed for a good minute and said Jay would want to call. I hung up, and two minutes later it was Jay. He said ‘This is the way show business should be.’ Debbie then cleared it with NBC Entertainment Chairman Jeff Gaspin and NBC-Universal CEO Jeff Zucker.

    How did you manage to pull it off without the press catching wind of it?
    We began having logistical meetings that would make the CIA proud. We had to figure out a way to keep it a surprise. NBC arranged to have Jay fly on the NBC jet at 7:30 in morning on Feb. 2 and he was at the Teterboro Airport [in New Jersey] at 3:30 p.m. We snuck him through the front door on Broadway. Jay wore a disguise …a hooded sweatshirt, dark sunglasses and a mustache. Fifteen minutes later, Oprah arrived … but not in a disguise. We shot it in the balcony of the Ed Sullivan Theater.

    What was it like when Leno and Letterman first saw each other?
    It was great, very professional, very cordial. We shot it in 25 minutes, and it went really, really well. It felt like one of those things where you wake up and say, “I had the strangest dream.” There was no frostiness. We were focused on trying to execute the joke. It would have been a more taxing event had it been us all going out to dinner. If anything was awkward, it was how it wasn’t awkward. It’s interesting… there was a lot of internal conversation about whether this was a good thing to be doing from a PR standpoint. Are we rehabilitating Jay’s image? Dave has a simple edict: If it’s funny, we do it. When CBS says it needs 10 seconds, it’s incumbent upon you to do the funniest bit you can do. Then we learned we had another five seconds. That may not sound like a really big deal but let’s face it … that’s someone’s college education [given how much the typical per-second spot goes for during the Super Bowl], so we were really thrilled about that.

    You and Dave must have realized you had the potential to upstage the Super Bowl.
    Well, that’s not our problem! [He laughs]. I’ve been asked the question more than once about all these advertisers who spent millions of dollars on their ads. My response is: They had years, millions of dollars, and 30 seconds! I had one week, no money, and 15 seconds. The bottom line is, if you’re a comedian and you have the chance to do something funny in front of 100 million people, you should do it.

  • http://www.maskedmoviesnobs.com El Bicho

    Looks like this article is need of a retraction because the ad said very little.

    They created a great bit of PR with all the free publicity considering how much everyone talked about it. Was needed because the commercial itself was very poor, like something off cable access. Obviously no “commie homo-loving sons ‘a guns” from Hollywood were involved.

  • http://delibernation.com Silas Kain

    Getting back to politics and the right-left wars, let’s bring this all back together. As a Leno spokesperson said in an interview after the commercial, “this is what show business should be.” Amen to that. If Leno and Letterman can appear on a couch with Oprah — how can we get Pelosi and Boehner to sit on the couch with Barack? That’s how politics should be.

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Nice thought, Silas, but don’t count on it. For some reason the analogy fails.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    178-Only because they want it to Roger.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    SUPER BOWL BEATS M*A*S*H FINALE AS MOST WATCHED TV SHOW IN HISTORY…

    New Orleans’ win over Indianapolis in Super Bowl XLIV surpassed the M*A*S*H finale as the most-watched program in television history, the Nielsen Co. said Monday.

    Sunday night’s broadcast on CBS had an average audience of 106.5 million viewers, beating the 105.97 million set for the M*A*S*H finale during the three-network era in 1983.

    “With all the memorable story lines going into Super Bowl XLIV combined with the awesome power of the NFL, we are thrilled with this rating, and I am extremely proud of the way the entire CBS Television Network produced, sold and promoted the most-watched television show in history,” said Sean McManus, president of CBS News and Sports.

    Last year’s Steelers-Cardinals Super Bowl on NBC had an average audience of 98.7 million viewers. Nielsen estimated that 153.4 million viewers watched at least a portion of the game, up from 151.6 million last year.

    The broadcast produced a preliminary national Nielsen rating of 45.0 with a 68 share, up 7 percent from 42.0/64 for the Steelers-Cardinals game last year and the highest since 46.0/68 for the Cowboys and Steelers in 1996.

    The broadcast peaked with a 48.5/70 rating and share from 8:30 to 8:45 p.m.

  • Joe

    Funny that ‘personal attacks are not allowed’ in comments, but apparently they are in your articles?

    @Jet Gardner: You may want to check your facts. Those pictures are not his girlfriend.

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Funny that ‘personal attacks are not allowed’ in comments, but apparently they are in your articles?

    Yes, isn’t it?

    Almost as funny as how you can call your senator an idiot with impunity, but can’t do the same to your neighbour without risking a few teeth.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Um Joe? I said to google them-and never provided a link… duh?

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Funny that ‘personal attacks are not allowed’ in comments…Um that’s why they’re called editorials and Opinion pieces?

    it is my opinion… and what personal attack?

  • LaMar

    Jet, I think your link in comment #15 to a picture of Tebow with his “very unchristian looking girlfriend with the big boobs poolside” is hilarious. Please post a link to a picture of a christian looking girlfriend with big boobs poolside. Just so I can make the distinction. Thanks.

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Sorry, not my field of expertise…

  • http://takeitorleaveit.typepad.com/ roger nowosielski

    Jet,

    Good luck tomorrow. Think of Bill Clinton – just pulled through another procedure. Anyways, we’ll be talking later.

    Roger

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Thanks Roger, They’ve moved the operation up to 11:30AM EST, I guess because it’s the only time a specialist they called in is available, so that’d be the time to cross your fingers .

    Thanks so much for your thoughts, they mean a lot from all of you

    Jet

  • http://jetssciencepage.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    They’ve been adding and subtracting drugs from my intake for the last week or so and it’s playing hell with my mood-sometimes I’ll be so depressed at to be suicidal and other times I’m cheerful and happy.

    No it’s not PMS.

    With luck I’ll be back Monday. Of course the last time that I said that I woke up from a drug-induced coma five days later.

    Oh well

  • http://drdreadful.blogspot.com Dr Dreadful

    Good luck, Jet. If the medical profession has to mess up your entire weekend, let’s hope it’s a more permanent fix this time.

    I feel ya. I’m getting some labs done myself in the morning…

    …No, OK, that’s not at all the same thing!

    Take care, mate.

  • http://bloggingontheedgeofsuicide.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Thanks Doc, At the least they’re putting in a defibrillator, but because of the bloodsugar complications they’re also rooting around in my heart to find out what caused such a drastric drop in capacity especially after the triple bypass didn’t take

    I’M TOO YOUNG FOR THIS SHIT!!!

    I just hope they let me take some of those drugs home with me…

    Jet

  • VictorHugo

    “All attempts over the previous 56 years before Tebow’s birth to loosen those restrictions have failed, mostly because of the opposition of the strong and influential Catholic Church in the region.”

    In this case you are the one telling the fairy tale. Abortion in the case of mother’s life in danger is indeed legal in the Philippines.

    Not only that, but your claim that since the law is restrictive, it must not happen, is so disingenuous. How often has your side claim that if we make abortion illegal, it won’t come close to stopping it?

    Besides the facts contradict your smear job here. In the Philippines, prosecution is RARE for illegal abortions. And there are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of them PER YEAR, many of them indeed done by DOCTORS. And many of them REPEAT ABORTIONS.

  • VictorHugo

    Philippines ABORTION POLICY

    Grounds on which abortion is permitted:

    To save the life of the woman Yes

    To preserve physical health No

    To preserve mental health No

    Rape or incest No

    Foetal impairment No

    Economic or social reasons No

    Available on request No

    Although the Penal Code does not list specific exceptions to the general prohibition on abortion, under the general criminal law principles of necessity as set forth in article 11(4) of the Code, an abortion may be legally performed to save the pregnant woman’s life.

    Despite the severity of the law, abortion appears to be widely practised in the Philippines as a means of birth control and is rarely prosecuted. The International Planned Parenthood Federation reports estimates ranging from 155,000 to 750,000 induced abortions per year.

  • Jane

    If a woman does NOT want an abortion, I would never force one on her! This is her choice. I’m glad Mrs. Tebow had this child. However, she doesn’t have the right to tell another woman what to do or to make up stories. I would also hope that star athletes would choose not to appear in an ad from the hate group focus on the family.

  • http://jetsgayheadlinenews-jet.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Amen Jane. There are just too many strings to his miracle “story” that don’t add up.

  • http://jetsgayheadlinenews-jet.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    Here’s one Nostrdamas never saw coming: Tim Tebow and Tiger Woods teeing up together for a round of golf!?!

    Maybe the Mayans were right about 2012 after all.

    I’m not sure whether to worry about Tiger suddenly losing his vocabulary of cusswords and crossing himself every time he nails a hole (no pun intended… well maybe) or Tim suddenly losing the halo over his head by pumping his fist (snicker) instead of crossing himself at every hole.

    While the pairing is still only rumored for next month’s Pebble Beach National, Woods has committed to playing the event and the tournament officials are still trying to reel in Tebow too.

    Tebow is a devout Christian who’d probably try to save Tiger’s soul on the 4th tee while Woods could conceivably see Tebow to the devil if he’d only make the next shot.

    Where’s George Burns when you need him?

    Don’t forget Tim that Sunday is God’s day off!

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    UPDATE: Payton Manning will be replacing Tebow-answering the question; What would Jesus do?

  • http://jetspolitics.blogspot.com/ Jet Gardner

    You can’t blame the Denver Broncos for hiring Peyton Manning. No matter how many games Tim Tebow won for the Broncos late in the fourth quarter, no matter how many tickets he sold thanks to Tebowmania, no matter how many selfless things he said or Bible verses he put on his eye black, the former Indianapolis Colts star is the better quarterback. When you have the opportunity to bring in a four-time MVP to replace someone who has talent but is no sure thing, you do it.

    But now that Manning has landed in Denver, barring any unexpected obstacles, many expect Tebow to be traded. And despite last season’s Tebowmania, there’s not much excitement about his prospects. Former NFL general manager Charley Casserly told USA Today he’d “be surprised if [Tebow] went for much better than a fifth rounder.” Some sports pundits are saying they don’t think a single team will come calling.

    I guess it just goes to show the power (or lack of it) of prayer.