A liberal wouldn't have abandoned Afghanistan just when we had bin Laden in our sights.
Conservatives have it easy. Every time something happens to confuse their world, they just open their maws and swallow it up, claiming it was conservative orthodoxy all the time. Even neo-cons, whatever the hell they are. "Oh yeah, we always believed that."…
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26 - zingzing
i'm sure they do. just obviously not in the numbers that the reds do. i don't claim anything here except what the numbers say.
and the numbers say: archie is a liar.
27 - Arch Conservative
i don't know where you got your info but it's wrong zingzing here is a link to the catalogue for philanthropy and how they ranked the states in 2004 as you can see the top states are red states and the bottom states are blue states
you ought to stop making stuff up zingzing
28 - zingzing
now i just told you that the catalogue for philanthropy only gets their info from tax returns, and are therefore only showing about 1% of actual charitable donations.
here's a link for you:eurekalert.org
not making it up. you're using useless data.
29 - Arch Conservative
Your study is what's useless. not just catalogue for philnathropy, but all other sources show that red states give more in overalll charitable donations no matter how it is measured.
Sorry to break it to you.
30 - Mark Schannon
Dave, I'd never suggest anything that drastic, especially considering my age...don't throw me into that briar patch.
Ruvy, I love the passages from Leviticus. Maybe I'm not a liberal, I'm a social justarian. The truth is that stiff-necked liberals are as annoying as stiff-necked conservatives. If you weighed the mistakes of liberals and conservatives over the years, the balance might be perfectly at zero.
Archie, you exaggerate, and therein lies our inability to find any common ground.
We realize that society has an obligation to those who cannot help themselves ie the elderly, the hanidcapped, children.... However you liberals call us callous because we will not tolerate those able bodied individuals who are too stupid or lazy to make their own way in the world.
I got news for you. You fail on the first part; we fail on the second.
Maybe Dave will solve the problem with his definition. The terms liberal and conservative have lost all meaning, yet we keep harping on them. Hell, I just wrote a whole article on it. I should delete the title and call it social justarian. We're all so inconsistent and contradictory, I'm not sure there are any real categories any more. Except stupid.
In Jameson Veritas
31 - pleasexcusetheinterruption12
RE Arch # 3
3. Injustice done to one is done to us all? Where is the liberal compassion for the millions of babies they serve a heaping helpful of unjustice to every year when they murder them?
hmm.. the term baby ussually implies, at least to me, some sort of recognizable human form, or at least a NERVOUS SYSTEM and AWARENESS of its own EXISTENCE or at the absolute least I CAN ACTUALLY FUCKING SEE IT WITHOUT A MICROSCOPE. Do you usually refer to little invisible specks floating around in your house as babies or just online?
4. What americans have been held in confinement and denied lawyers? I think you're confuing american citizens with terrorists.
Several American citizens have been held in confinement and denied lawyers, appearance in court, or any trial at all. Trusting you will fullfill your obligation to be an informed citizen, I will not go through each individual case for you, as if you were a child.
it's about the majority of society getting to decide what it's cultural practices and norms will be and the majority of our society does not wish gay marriage to be legal.
funny thing, I always thought putting a napkin on your lap was the cultural norm, but I can't seem to find that particular law written in the constitution, or any book of law, can you point me to the right passage? All I can find is this right to privacy and all this other nonsense...
32 - Jet in Columbus
Bravo #30 Mark... Injured Viscosity
33 - Arch Conservative
Pleasexcuse......
At week 10 of a pregnancy limbs have begun to develop and the nervous system is already formed and functional.
Is that what you refer to as i visible specks? or are you going to tell me that all abortions are done before the tenth week.
Whatever you need to tell yourself to assuage your subconcious guilt at advocating infanticide is fine by me please.
34 - pleasexcusetheinterruption12
A large majority of abortions are performed before the 10th week, yes. There certainly are not millions performed after the 10th week as you plainly state in the above quote. Saying so is either a gross misuse of the term baby OR a flat out lie about how many abortions are performed after the 10th week.
35 - zingzing
you just don't want to believe it archibald. liberals, all things considered, give more of what they have to charity.
36 - JustOneMan
Zing...please a typical liberal believes that giving the Spanish guy at StarBucks a 25 cent tip for their $3 latte is doing charitable work...
37 - zingzing
better than spitting in his face and telling him to go back to mexico...
but yer funny.
38 - Arch Conservative
Who spits? i throw the hot coffee in his face and make sure to get it in his eyes.
39 - Jet in Columbus
Spoken like the next head of Bush's diplomatic corps Arch. We haven't missed you at all.
40 - Arch Conservative
Don't like it Jet?
Too fucking bad.
I wasn't put on this earth to please you or all the other pretentious, big city, latte drinking, liberal moonbats!
41 - Jet in Columbus
Foam at the mouth all you like Arch, you hetrosexuals are all alike.
42 - Clavos
H..e...t...e...r...o...s...e...x...u...a...l...s, please, Jet.
If you're going to take our sexual orientation in vain, common courtesy dictates you at least spell it right :>)
You don't see us writing humosexuals (pun intended), do you?
43 - Jet in Columbus
Oh THAT'S why the call it a Hummer!!!
44 - Clavos
I've always wondered about that guy down the street with two of 'em...
45 - Nancy
Clavos, rotflmao!
46 - zingzing
we're "big city, latte drinking, liberal moonbats!"
awright! "big city..." <--how fuckin cute is that?
hey bingbat! i like soy lattes! they're better for you! and creamy! you just try to make a soy cappuccino, though! that's tough! shit won't stay foamy. it's silly, really.
"big city..."
alright, you backwards, buttfuck new england, bud swilling, conservative moron, we'll take ours over yours any day of the week.
47 - Jet in Columbus
In spades Zing-Bravo
48 - Mark Schannon
O.k., archie, I'm getting tired of this. First, latte is the most stupid drink ever invented. The french call it cafe au lait, which simply warm the milk before you put it in the coffee. Real liberals comme moi drink espresso & an occassional cappucino. So let's get that part right, o.k. Only Republican Venus Birds drink lattes.
And what the hell is a moonbat and should I be insulted or proud?
Let's face it guys, we can't talk about any of this because our labels have fallen off or gotten all grungy. We're just throwing around tired, old cliches.
hell, Ruvy, I, Jet, Gonzo, and others do a better job talking about religion.
Blech.
In Jameson Veritas
49 - Nancy
I think he's thinking of Archie Bunker's "dingbat", but he screwed it up or invented his own riff on it.
50 - Just Livin
Wow, you guys let that devolve in a hurry didn't you? But isn't that what it's all about today? Conservatives soak the poor and liberals are baby killers, heh? Come on guys get your shit together.I used to be an American but now unfortunately I have been labeled a liberal while most people think I am a conservative. All these silly labels need to be put aside and the debate needs to be more productive and less personal.
It's time to start telling the truth. Some of you whipper snappers probably don't even remember what the truth is like. Before the laser fast spin of today, things were a little more civil. Unfortunately you have grown up in a society that thinks being able to shout down the other guy makes you a winner. Sorry to tell that's not true.
We are embroiled in a struggle for the survival of our democracy. Those on the conservative side will tell you that we must defeat all of the enemies of freedom, stop killing babies, put gays in their place (whatever that means)and give all of the tax breaks possible; primarily to the very rich in order to put this country right with God.
Liberals will tell you that conservatism is actually a plutocracy. Big business and special interests are running this country and be damned with the little people. If conservatives are really concerned about unborns what about those that are born. How many conservatives do you suppose adopt poor white or poor black or latino children every week?
Even with abortion there are thousands of unwanted children born every week to parents who are drug addicts, low lifes, underage, etc. Hell you pick the circumstance. But there aren't any demonstrations outside the human services offices asking for the right to raise those unwanted children. In fact, children in this country are abused to death every day. What's worse, taking a RU486 pill or killing a 2 year old?
While we are sidelined by multiple topics designed to take our attention off the things that really need action we fall further from a goal of bringing all of society to better place. Conservative "Christians" hate gays, tell the poor to get jobs (minimum wage anyone?)talk tough on how everyone else on the planet should bow to our will. Liberals think that government is the answer to everything. We should just start a new government entity for that and solve the world's problems. It doesn't work. No, our success depends on public/private partnership. We need to reach out people in need and be a little more Christian. We need sweep up around our backdoor before we go telling everyone else how to be a democracy.
Take a deep breath boys and see if you can find some common ground. The next terrorist attack in this country will happen to all of us. The next natural disaster will be all of our problems. We need to get a handle on how to solve the problems that are staring us in the face before we worry about the other ones.
Remember, abortion happened before Roe v. Wade and it will continue to happen even if it is outlawed. Just in dark unclean places. The rich get richer, but we need to make sure they pay their fair share as should we all. We had enemies before Al Queda and we will have them long after the generation that does not have anyone who remembers 9/11. How do we create our best and most free country now? Do you really want the majority to rule? Me too! Let's abolish the electoral college! If people want to get married let'em. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ANSWER TO GOD FOR THEIR SINS! They do and if they are good with that, get over yourself. Give comfort to the poor, take care of the prisoners and feed the hungry and meek. Now who else said something like that, oh yeah, Jesus! Imagine that a liberal who believes in God! Miracles never cease.
51 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Just Livin;
I'd rise before you out of respect, but that kind of thing is hard to do on the internet. Mark Schannon, my fellow Jew, wrote an aricle that he thought was about "liberalism." It wasn't. He wrote about social justice. I provided the basic concepts that inspired his article, because his sense of social justice is very similar to mine and comes from the same roots - the Book of VaYikrá, what you know as Leviticus. Go check comment #20 where I accidentally typed in Nark, instead of Mark.
So just keep on livin' and spreading your understanding and wisdom.
"In the presence of an old person you shall rise and you shall revere a sage..." VaYikrá/Leviticus, Chapter 19
Sabbath peace to you from the Hill of Frankincense (Ma'aléh Levoná) in the mountains north of Jerusalem, the Eternal Capital of the Jewish People
52 - pleasexcusetheinterruption12
God probably doesnt even exist so what's the point of talking about him/her.
53 - Mark Schannon
Ruvy, I've already admitted that the labels are meaningless. Conservatives act like liberals snooping into everyone's business and liberals respond by demanding budget cuts and kicking people off welfare.
I'll be a social justinian. I like the ring of that.
And PETI, I'm a hard-core agnostic, but some of my most cherished moments here have been discussing God with Ruvy and others. Whether there is or isn't a God, there is great wisdom in the words and ideals attributed to Him/Her/It.
And now...
In Jameson Veritas
54 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Mark, I wasn't sure tha out friend "Just Livin'" had seen that back and forth. I wasn't trying to repeat things unnecessarily.
Just so you know; Justinian was the name of a Roman emperor. Personally, "justician" sounds better to me - or "believer in social justice".
Shabbat Shalom,
55 - pleasexcusetheinterruption12
There's also some pretty shitty "wisdom" associated with him/her/it. Selective choosing of which wisdom to follow ultimately means the wisdom is not so much associated with him/her/it but rather, us. Morality created religion, not the other way around.
56 - Dave Nalle
i like soy lattes! they're better for you! and creamy!
And they make you grow breasts!
Which every soyswilling moonbat needs...
Dave
57 - Clavos
Morality created religion, not the other way around.
Mankind created religion and god out of fear of the unknown.
58 - Matthew T. Sussman
Mark Schannon is not your most devout follower of God, but you gotta hand it to him, he has a firm believe in his ceiling.
59 - Dave Nalle
Conservatives soak the poor and liberals are baby killers
No, Conservatives kill adults and liberals (sic) exploit the poor.
Or if you prefer, Conservatives give the poor a hand-up and liberals (sig) kill cell clusters so that society can have fewer poor, abandonned and neglected children.
Dave
60 - pleasexcusetheinterruption12
Mankind created religion and god out of fear of the unknown.
Isn't that exactly what I said? Morality (made by mankind) made religion...mankind made religion. Our statements are not mutually exclusive. We say the same thing except yours contains more information, namely that the motivation to create religion from morality was fear of the unkown.
61 - Nancy
Exactly how do conservatives give the poor a hand up? Conservative are the ones that oppose most if not all social programs or aid programs. In addition, while they refuse to allow women the choice to breed or not, ironically by doing so, they keep ensuring that the number of poor children dependent on said welfare programs that are such anathema to them (conservatives) continues to increase. If they don't want to increase the numbers of the poor, why don't they encourage & allow birth control & abortion? Their mental divide on this is illogical and senseless, as well as cruel.
62 - Mark Schannon
Suss, very few got your reference to the ceiling, but I just about choked on my coffee. It's true, my ceiling and I have a special, spiritual kind of thing going on.
Dave N: You're growing very weird as well as breasts. You're scaring me. Cut it out.
And it's "conservatives kill everyone (what you think conservativs don't get abortions) and liberals fuck everyone over trying to help."
Ruvy, I knew Justinian was a Roman emperor...but it sounded good. I suppose I'll settle for Justician. Although I'm still confused about what's a liberal, conservative, libertarian then.
Oh well,
In Decaf Veritas
63 - Spurwing Plover
You liberals dont fool ol SPURWING PLOVER im a craft ol shorebird and i have a attatude and im very defiant as well BACK OFF GREENPEACE