The jihadists that bombed London last week were "radicalized" and recruited at a government-funded youth center. It was well-known as a hub of Islamic activity in Leeds. So the citizens of London got exactly what they paid for - British Islamic terrorists.
With naive Prince Charles kissing Islamic butt:
"Some may think this cause is Islam. It is anything but. It is a perversion of traditional Islam," Prince Charles said...Others must resist the temptation to condemn the Muslim community for the actions of an evil minority, he added.
...and misguided Tony Blair threatening to deport anyone inciting hate against Muslims (instead of deporting Muslims inciting hatred against Britons):
Tony Blair has said talks will start on new laws to make it easier to deport people trying to "incite hatred".
Is it any wonder the Brits got what they paid for? This blind and PC perspective is what makes it possible for the British people to fund the recruitment of their own home-grown terrorists! What brilliance. I think it's fair to say that Prince Charles and Tony Blair, by ignoring the gory evidence in their faces, are really nothing more than borderline dhimmis; properly subservient to the singular interests of Islam at the expense of national defense and security (Dhimmitude = one must not point out the depredations of jihad; to do so would offend the multiculturalist ethos that prevails everywhere today.). Blech.
Lest I be accused of kicking Britain while it's down, let me offer some equal-opportunity criticism. We, in America, harbor our own home-grown terrorists in every mosque and every Islamic center - and they are securely protected by our Freedom of Religion. More than 80% of American mosques are under the control of extremists. That number is from January 1999 - and is now estimated at 95%, considering the War on Terrorism and all.
Since I can guarantee that several folks will write in to vehemently deny those figures and accuse me of hate-mongering (you know who you are), let me qualify my info by stating my source: Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani of the Islamic Supreme Council of America. And let me ask those dhimmi-morons why they're not equally vehement in denouncing Muslims for harboring radicals who hate-monger for a living (well - until they commit suicide, that is)?! I don't see ANY Muslim leaders rushing to identify and denounce their so-called minority radicals. None, zero, zip. Why not? Because they don't need to - that whole "if you're not WITH us, you're AGAINST us" line is a bunch of bullshit, especially with Bush going around the world proselytizing about the "Religion of Peace". Dhimmi!
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— go to most recent comments1 - Dave Nalle
Great summary and analysis. Thanks.
dave
2 - Londoner
Brilliantly insensitive in blaming ordinary Londoners for their own deaths and wonderfully lacking in understanding, fact or insight to boot. Congratulations.
Remember how you felt when the blame for 9/11 was unfairly laid at America's door? You've just done the same to the people of London. Hope you're proud of yourself. "Oooh! It's London's fault for being tolerant of Islam and for funding Muslim groups through their taxes!" Idiot. Following the logic of your argument, you're saying the terrorists' victims deserved to die for not having spotted the terrorists sooner. By the same logic everyone who died on 9/11 deserved to. Which is patently abject pap.
And in any case, "Islamic" does not necessarily mean radical - you've conflated two distinct concepts - and there is, as yet, no evidence whatsoever of the kind of activity you claim knowledge of in the areas from which these men came. Don't leap to conclusions - or at least, if you do try not to present evidence dreamed up by your own prejudices as fact. Cheers.
3 - KYS
I have to side with Londoner here. Though I think you make some valid points, and I agree that we need to be realistic about the issue of terrorist recruiting, this is a time to support the people of London- not blame them. This post reads as unsympathetic and crass.
4 - HE!D!
Normally, I don't respond to comments except at my own blog - too time consuming. But in this case, I will - to offer my apologies. Londoner is exactly right about one thing - my post does read like I'm blaming the Brits. For that I apologize.
To the point: of course I don't think terrorism, as a whole, is anyone's fault except Islam's, AND the authorities who don't do anything about it. Much like I don't think it's a woman's fault when she's raped. Yet there is something to be said for prudence and precaution. If it was known that random women were raped in the same dark place every night, and the rapists were still at large because the police didn't want to offend the rapists by arresting them - then a woman would be fool-hardy to by-pass that location at night. Should she do so, and suffer a rape, then it would still be terribly sad that she was raped, but also agonizingly preventable with simple prudence and precaution!
In the same way, I would think that, after the horrific WARNING of 9/11, the world would be more alert and judicious in its dealings with Islam, as a whole. It would be wary, suspicious, and intolerant of radical extremism. This center in Leeds was a KNOWN hotbed. I DO believe that your government has let you down, Londoner. And that innocent, undeserving Brits paid for it. That is what my tirade was about.
PS: I also believe that the American government is abdicating it's duty by leaving our borders obscenely wide open, and by tolerating KNOWN radical mosques (which is almost 95% of them!). The Muslim leadership is reluctant to identify and root out its own crazies - we can't depend on them to do it. As private citizens, we're left dependent on our governments to secure our safety. Therein lies my frustration!
It is a weird, global phenomenon - this mollycoddling of Muslims at such risk and expense. Our governments, yours and mine, care more about offending this group, than they do about saving their citizens' lives. I don't blame the average citizen - their best interests have been betrayed in favor of the best interests of Islam - but I do blame the perpetrators AND their protectors.
5 - valery dawe
To all you self-righteous American and British parrotheads who've fooled yourselves into believing that "terrorism" is un-American or Not Cricket...wake up and smell your own history. Be warned. Just a quick sniff to start with or you'll surely gag.
6 - Aaman
Please add an Amazon link
7 - Dave Nalle
I didn't see it at blaming Londoners so much as an indictment of the obliviousness of society and the ruling political parties in Britain.
Dave
8 - RJ
"More than 80% of American mosques are under the control of extremists. That number is from January 1999 - and is now estimated at 95%, considering the War on Terrorism and all."
Cite?
9 - RJ
The link didn't work for me...
10 - Temple Stark
psyche?
11 - RJ
Sorry. The link worked for me just now.
But this is just a quote from a single Muslim loon, right? Did he have any hard evidence to back up his claim?
12 - Cat
The "80% radical mosques" number was pre-9/11, when things were still nice and cozy. Can't think of why the Sheik would randomly pull numbers like that outta his ass. The dude could well have been a loon, but considering he spoke as THE representative of the ISCA to the State Department - he probably was legit. I'm just sayin'...
13 - American
I think this article is one that has to be shared and I appreciate it being shared. We need to root out where this is taking place in our nations.
After 911, I was grateful for any information as long as it was the truth. What I didn't appreciate was my President standing in front of the world claiming that Islam is a religion of peace. This was a total lie. There is no peace in Islam. Its just a 'store front facade' for the backroom thugs to do their dirty work in the name of Allah.
As for the mosque in the USA, yes they are totally ran by the wahabi sect, which is anti American and teaches hatred of Jews and Christians. This has also been confirmed as hate literature has been caught in their facilities. Remember that just because on British streets you can hear a cleric preach hate and jihad, the same concept is going on in the USA also, just in a more discreet way. They even have jihad type summer camps over here. Prior to 911 they called them jihad camps but since they have changed the names to thing like Few Good Men" or "Afterlife Camps" Its much more secretly organized and protected by the likes of CAIRE and the ACLU. I am not sure if the British understand the ACLU, but a chapter of it is opening in the UK, so in time you will know how evil it is.
You can read about some of this here
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/216
I would hope that discussing these matters wouldn't wedge frustration between Americans and Brits, as we are friends and are bonded in this fight against terrorism.
I, as an American, personally see England as the Mother country and I can never thank Britain for the help and support they have shown us since 911. With that said, I would hope that in discussions, that people can realise that we all are trying to reason out what has happened and what solutions we can come to. Its not about blaming one another, as we are all upset many times with our own govts....what we are trying to understand is where we can go from here and from all our vulnerabilities, how we can grow stronger and grow more protected from these evil people that want to hurt innocent people!
What is the most disturbing thing to me is how our govts, both American and British, immediately after these tragedies happen, are first to run to the aid and protection of the muslim community. I understand they are afraid of them being mistreated, but seriously, what about the masses of our people? Why do the majority feel our mouths are duct taped? Why is it we have to silence our pain and our anger and our opinions to appease the muslim community that has the ideology that causes this terror? Isn't the govt for all the people or only for the muslim population in the name of political correctness? This is what is upsetting all of us in our grief for those that have been savagely taken by the suicide bombers. What is it going to take for our govts to realise that we are sick of being held hostage on a global scale?
I personally feel that once any immigrant comes into our countries that they should be forced prior to entry to sign a legal document that they will not allow their culture or religion to work against or undermine the existing govt. because too many of these immigrants clog up our legal systems after coming in and suddenly becoming offended. If you want to wear a head dress at your school for your religion then stay in the countries that embrace that! Funny how none of it offended them on the day of entry isn't it? This needs to be worked out prior to entry because too many immigrants are coming in with hidden agendas and all they want to do is undermine our govt and our social systems. And they do this many times with religious visas. Why should we allow this?
They come in to be part of us or to hate us? Why should we in the west tolerate the intolerable?
It doesn't matter what country you live in....because if you have a muslim practicing Islam and reading from the quran...you have a potential to terrorism. Now people can get upset at that comment, but its the truth. The core of this evil is from the pages of the quran that is teached and preached in the world today for political gain and political domination. Islam is nothing more than a theocratic political movement disguised as a religion. Until we call it what it is, we are vulnerable to it's agenda and vunerable to it's evil. Islam is patient and it counts on our ignorance to what its up to.
The quran teaches to kill all nonbelievers. So until the west wakes up and realises that its the most dangerous ideology in our midst, we are never going to deal with the real source of our enemy.
We are the generation that needs to see it for what it is and work to all solutions to stop it for the sake of our children and our grandchildren to come, because if we don't deal with it now, our future is headed to bowing down to Allah. That is Islam's ultimate goal is to make all bow to Allah and to make Islam the dominate force in your country and mine. So if we don't want that...we better start banning this filth amongst us and take responsibility for what we see in front of us.
14 - American
I didn't have time to preview...but do want to make a correction to my post...
I said "I, as an American, personally see England as the Mother country and I can never thank Britain for the help and support they have shown us since 911."
To correct this,
I want to say that I can never Thank Britain enough!!!
No matter how powerful the USA gets, I will always see it as a child of England!
I love my British brothers and sisters!
15 - RJ
Why we still allow Muslims in this country on student Visas is simply beyond me...
16 - Dave Nalle
>>Why we still allow Muslims in this country on student Visas is simply beyond me...<<
We do it because when they go back to their countries they take our values with them, and infect their brothers, sisters, children and neighbors with them.
Dave
17 - KYS
Dave, I hope that's true. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't many so-called 'terrorist supporters' using the education they obtain here for terrorist activities? Case in point- didn't the hijackers use the computers in a New Jersey state college library to book their plane tickets?
I would like to think that our open society will spread decent values around the world, but I have my concerns....
18 - Dave Nalle
It's easy to judge the flaws in a program when there are some outstanding examples, but it's much harder to judge the benefits even though there are thousands who bring American values to the world for every one who becomes a terrorist. The impact of the thousands is slow and not so flashy - no buildings blow up because a business manager in Kuwait City wants MTV on his cable.
Dave
19 - KYS
Okay, I can dig that, but decades of 'American Open Society" didn't prevent 9-11 (not just an outstanding example, but something we seek to prevent going forward). It's a matter of checks and balances. Are we willing to justify another terrorist attack to ensure the citizens of Kuwait can watch "Six Feet Under"?
(just playing Devil's Advocate here...)
20 - RJ
Actually, of lot of these "students" come here, get their education, have sex with our women, drink our beer, smoke our pot, watch our porn, and then go back to the KSA or Oman or whatever, and tell all their buddies how weak and decadent we are.
And I have first-hand knowledge of this, so I know it happens.
21 - gracefulboomer
Dave, how western of you to mention MTV. One can hope but RJ's description of Arabic students should mention that after returning home, marriage is arranged and a complete return to native culture is the norm. Yes, and engaging anti-American bashing.
Actually that business manager in Kuwait City is more likely to be excited by the upcoming launch of the first Islamic satellite later this year.
Built by an Italian company at a cost of 30 million Saudi Riyals, the satellite will be used for moon sighting to decide accurate dates of religious rituals and festivals in the Islamic calendar.
Hopefully, the satellite results will be recognized uniformly in all Islamic crescent countries and quell the widespread debate in Saudi Arabia and other Islamic countries on exactly when crescent sighting occurs for Ramadan and Eid-ul-Fitr. This has been a point of major contention.
The U.S. has had two major successes in advancing human empowerment in Saudi Arabia.
Under severe pressure from the Kennedy administration, King Faisal (by royal decree) abolished slavery in 1962.
Facing growing embarrassment and world ridicule the Saudi clerics reversed an earlier religious edict which had declared the world flat after Prince Sultan Aziz Al-Saud, the first Arab astronaut flew in space for seven days in 1985 on the U.S. shuttle Discovery.
It might be of interest that this did not stop the Arab Islamic press from gloating over the horrible Columbia shuttle tragedy in 2003, which carried an Israeli astronaut aboard. http://www.vepachedu.org/Allah's_Retribution.html
Oh well, two steps forward one step back.
22 - DrPat
Dave has a point, RJ. I saw the same thing happen in South Africa at the end of apartheid. What brought down white rule in that country was not Nelson Mandela, but the influx of satellite TV, with shows from the US and Europe. Electric Avenue, to quote the old song.
23 - RJ
And how is South Africa doing now?
24 - Dave Nalle
>>Under severe pressure from the Kennedy administration, King Faisal (by royal decree) abolished slavery in 1962.<<
Except that they're still practicing slavery in fact if not in name to this day.
>> One can hope but RJ's description of Arabic students should mention that after returning home, marriage is arranged and a complete return to native culture is the norm.<<
That's wishful thinking on the part of most moslems, I think. You can clearly see the infiltration of western ideas into their cultures despite efforts to return to a traditional lifestyle.
Dave
25 - gracefulboomer
Someone should have told Nelson Mandela and saved him the trouble.
Gosh, beam this summer's 'Dukes of Hazzard' to the Islamic Crescent and honor killings will stop, women will drive, peace will reign in the MidEast and we will all gather together to sing:
Just two good old boys, never meanin' no harm....
Beats all you never saw, been in trouble with the law
Since the day they was born.
Straightenin' the curves, flattenin' the hills....
Someday the mountain might get 'em but the law never will.
Makin' their way, the only way they know how...
That's just a little bit more than the law will allow.
(All together now)