With William F. Buckley gone, is there any hope for a return to real conservative values?
It is impossible to begin to sum up the life of someone as articulate, imaginative, capricious and influential as William F. Buckley, Jr. Every conservative pundit in the old or new media owes him an incalculable debt and is to some degree attempting to imitate him. He died on Wednesday at his home in Connecticut, and I doubt that any of the many aspirants to his throne of right-leaning wit and wisdom are qualified to fill his shoes.…
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76 - REMF
"You mentioned Cheney: he's certainly a hero, along with Ashcroft..."
- Baronius
Huh?! Heroes to whom, others who dodged the draft during time of war?
77 - REMF
"Conservative heroes? I'd have to put Bill Bennett..."
- Baronius
Hero for what? His draft-dodging and gambling addiction?
78 - Dr Dreadful
REMF:
I have a suspicion that Baronius - at least partly - posted some of those names out of curiosity to see what people's temples look like when they explode.
I guess he knows now.
79 - Dave Nalle
We all do...when their temples explode all you can see is the great, yawning void behind them.
Dave
80 - REMF
"We all do...when their temples explode all you can see is the great, yawning void behind them."
- Dave Nalle
Not exactly totally void, I do know a phony when I see one.
81 - Clavos
I consider most draft dodgers to be exceptional people precisely because they were smart enough NOT to get sucked into the military...
82 - REMF
"I consider most draft dodgers to be exceptional people precisely because they were smart enough NOT to get sucked into the military..."
- Clavos above
"John Kerry joined the Navy to avoid the draft and having to serve in combat on the ground."
- Clavos in 2006
83 - Clavos
Yet more proof of how stupid kerry is.
"You can't draft ME; I'll join up!"
84 - Cincinnatus
Kerry didn't have the integrity to stand up and refuse to be drafted. He knew he could join the military and use his education and family influence to minimize the risk involved, rather like Al Gore.
I'd respect him at least a little if he had used a college deferment or hid out in England like Bill Clinton, but to make a sham of military service is far worse than merely dodging the draft.
85 - alessandro
Speaking of privileged individuals, didn't one of the Royal offspring spend a few hours in Afghanistan and is safely back home? What's that about?
86 - REMF
"He knew he could join the military and use his education and family influence to minimize the risk involved, rather like Al Gore."
Um, you left out GW Bush, Dan Quayle, Steve Forbes, Pat Buchanan, George Will, Donald Rumsfeld and Bob Dornan.
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"I'd respect him at least a little if he had used a college deferment or hid out in England like Bill Clinton, but to make a sham of military service is far worse than merely dodging the draft."
Or he could've gotten a medical deferment for a pimple on his ass like Rush Limbaugh. And would GW Bush's DESERTION also qualify for "making a sham of military service"??
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BTW Cincinnatus, Kerry faced and returned enemy fire in combat, earning a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and 3 Purple Hearts. And yourself?
87 - Clavos
"Kerry...returned enemy fire in combat..."
Yup. He shot a fleeing Vietnamese in the ass.
Heroic dude, he. Real presidential material.
Or not.
88 - bliffle
#83 " March 12, 2008 @ 15:53PM " Clavos
Yet more proof of how stupid kerry is.
"You can't draft ME; I'll join up!"
Uhhhh, did Kerry actually say that? As implied by the quote marks?
89 - Dr Dreadful
Alessandro: "didn't one of the Royal offspring spend a few hours in Afghanistan and is safely back home? What's that about?"
Prince Harry did indeed spend several weeks on active duty in Afghanistan, and it would have been longer had some idiot named Matt Drudge not blurted his presence there to the world, instantly making him a top Taliban target*.
You can read the Silver Surfer's take on the story right here on BC.
* Harry, not Drudge, unfortunately.
90 - bliffle
#87 " March 12, 2008 @ 20:25PM " Clavos
"Kerry...returned enemy fire in combat..."
Yup. He shot a fleeing Vietnamese in the ass.
Clavos,
Is that true or are you being hyperbolic?
91 - Clavos
Bliffle,
The Commie was fleeing. The "ass" part was hyperbole.
From an article on the Factcheck website:
"The longest of the citations, signed by Vice Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, commander of U.S. naval forces in Vietnam, describes Kerry as killing a fleeing Viet Cong with a loaded rocket launcher. It says that as Kerry beached his boat to attack his second set of ambushers, "an enemy soldier sprang up from his position not ten feet from Patrol Craft Fast 94 and fled. Without hesitation, Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY leaped ashore, pursued the man behind a hooch, and killed him, capturing a B-40 rocket launcher with a round in the chamber."
92 - bliffle
Clavos,
So what was the point of your hyperbole?
93 - alessandro
#89 - Thanks, Doc. Yeah, that would make him an easy target.
94 - Clavos
Color, bliffle.
Artistic license.
95 - Baronius
Clavos - If I may suggest something... Kerry's first Purple Heart was awarded for the shrapnel that hit him after he shot a rock. Certainly you can do something with that.
REMF - I already addressed your point in comment #67.
Dread - Those names weren't chosen to goad anyone. I've said before that Cheney, Ashcroft, and Rumsfeld will one day be recognized as our Clay and Webster.
96 - bliffle
#94 " March 13, 2008 @ 00:51AM " Clavos
Color, bliffle.
Artistic license.
Distortion. Deceit.
97 - bliffle
Clavos, were you being 'colorful' when you attributed a quote to Kerry in #83?
98 - Clavos
"Distortion. Deceit."
"Clavos, were you being 'colorful' when you attributed a quote to Kerry in #83?"
You mean like kerry was distorting, deceiving, and being colorful (not to mention outright lying) in the testimony about my service he gave before Congress in 1971?
99 - bliffle
I'm not aware that Kerry lied explicitly about you, or, really, anyone else. But even if he did it doesn't seem to me that justifies you lieing here today on BC. Just my opinion.
So, I surmise that Kerry never said what you attributed to him?
100 - REMF
Bliff, don't forget this one by our friend Clavvy a couple years ago:
"John Kerry's 1971 speech was responsible for the way I was treated when I came back from 'Nam in 1966."
- Clavos, 2006
101 - Dave Nalle
I think Bliffle is ably demonstrating the utter lack of reasonable perspective which makes the left so unappealing to so many.
That he looks for deception and deceit in every colorful comment shows that he's moved beyond rational dialog into ideological blindness.
Dave
102 - REMF
"I think Bliffle is ably demonstrating the utter lack of reasonable perspective which makes the left so unappealing to so many."
- Dave Nalle
I disagree, Nalle. I feel his perspective is far more reasonable than anything you've ever presented.
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"That he looks for deception and deceit in every colorful comment shows that he's moved beyond rational dialog into ideological blindness."
- Dave Nalle
Couldn't disagree more, Nalle. Again, Bliff's dialog is much more rational than yours, and makes a lot more sense than your over-inflated ideology.
103 - Clavos
"I'm not aware that Kerry lied explicitly about you, or, really, anyone else"
It's a matter of record. He lied about ALL of us.
"So, I surmise that Kerry never said what you attributed to him?"
You can't really "surmise" it, because he DID volunteer, so it's entirely possible he DID say it. But, if you're asking if there is a record somewhere of his having said it, I'm not aware of one.
My original point (which got lost in your meaningless hairsplitting) is that he was stupid to volunteer.
And I stand by it.
104 - Clavos
""John Kerry's 1971 speech was responsible for the way I was treated when I came back from 'Nam in 1966."
- Clavos, 2006"
Show me the comment number date, and thread where I wrote those exact words, shuffleboard boy.
105 - Clavos
"Bliff's dialog is much more rational than yours, and makes a lot more sense than your over-inflated ideology."
What delicious irony!
The king of non sequiturs sets himself up as the arbiter of rationality and sense.
Best laugh of the day...
106 - bliffle
So, then Clavos, Kerry never uttered the statement you attributed to him in quote marks?
Should I believe you when you quote someone in the future or should I expect that it's not true?
You tell me.
107 - Matthew T. Sussman
Holy Christ, Bliffle, Clavos found the Kerry quote in this article.