Is it time to have the United Nations keep an eye on our elections?
The working title of this article used to be “Election 2006: Can Diebold Save the GOP?” but as more and more evidence mounts, that’s actually become a rhetorical question. The new question is will they, as increasing substantiation and public opinion seems to be favoring the forgone conclusion that they surely can.…
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— go to most recent comments26 - Jet in Columbus
Dave asks "So what you're saying is that we're in imminent danger of ivy league leftist nerds stealing the election?"
Nice turnabout, but no soap Dave. We're in imminent danger of someone who wants to change the election results hiring an ivy league leftist nerd to steal the election...
Now, was my documentation in the article too much to argue with? I always write my political pieces with you, Mark, Gonzo and Nancy in mind.
Jet
27 - Dave Nalle
Recent CNN polls show that as many as seventy-one percent of Americans disapprove of the job the GOP-led Congress is doing. The overall feeling toward Congress appears to be one of frustration with both houses being fixated with passing legislation imposing strict Taliban-style religious morals instead of addressing our country’s more pressing problems.
The link you provided with this paragraph doesn't work, but it appears to be a local Georgia website. Does that 71% number represent some sort of regional disapproval rating, because all the latest national polls show Bush in the 57-60% disapproval range. See polling report for details.
States are so frustrated with this congress that they’ve resorted to raising the minimum wage on their own, because the U.S. Congress can’t do it.
This is not true. Almost all of the state minimum wages were established years before the current congress and administration, some of them as long ago as the 1930s. In addition, one state actually has a minimum wage lower than the federal minimum wage, and none of the state minimum wages are higher than the prevailing market wage for starting workers in those states or surrounding states.
The minimum wage, be it federal or local, is meaningless, because the labor market already sets the entry level wage higher than the $7.50 an hour which is the highest state minimum wage.
Our national debt in the year 2000 was $20 Trillion. According to the Government Accountability Office
The national debt is actually still in a fairly normal range as a percentage of GDP, which is a more sensible way to look at it.
Despite whether human tampering happens or not, there’s a glaring question mark here. Despite the fact that they have the capability and motherboard port for them, why does the overwhelming evidence seem to be that the voting machines were intentionally purchased without printers?
The explanation for this has been public knowledge for ages. It's a matter of cutting corners on costs on the part of local election officials - who BTW are mostly Democrats.
Diebold voting machines use basically the same motherboards as their ATMs, so it would be a simple matter to attach a printer. Then each voter would be given an anonymous and unique ID number. As each ballot was cast, the printer would add it to a roll, and the voter could then check his number against the printed record on his way out the door. In the case of a recount it’d be right there for all to see.
Sounds like an obvious solution to me. We need a federal Electronic Voting Standards Act to make sure such problems are addressed.
BTW, does anyone have any idea where these Diebold machines are actually in use? We don't have them here in Travis County, and I know they're in Ohio, but how widespread are they?
Just for the sake of argument I’ll skip the studies done by such prestigious places as Princeton University, Carnegie Mellon University, The U.S. Federal Election Assistance Commission, Johns Hopkins University’s Prof. Avi Rubin, and UC Berkeley.
And especially the ones from CalTech and MIT which proved mathematically that there was no significant fraud in the 2004 election.
What caused all this suspicion?
Rampant paranoia and an effort to distract from the Democrats long tradition of election fraud?
Dave
28 - Jet in Columbus
Dave says...
The national debt is actually still in a fairly normal range as a percentage of GDP, which is a more sensible way to look at it.
A more realistic way to look at it is that the national debt has more than doubled to $43 trillion since Bush took office. What's the interst payment to China on that?
29 - Jet in Columbus
Dave so far the closest I can come is several articles saying Diebold machines are used in 37 states, but I can't seem to find a list yet.
30 - Jet in Columbus
The point of listing the studies Dave was to show that they all say the machines are vunerable to being tampering with, that they haven't yet, or I should say that tampering hasn't been detected yet, is irrelevant.
31 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Jet, it is time somebody actually talked about your article, which was well written and well documented.
I have an insight into this that I can contribute, having seen three different forms of voting used, two in the United States, and one in Israel. In addition, for a short time I had a job checking on the Diebold voting machines in Bronx County, making sure of something or other that thirty three or four years have managed to erase from my memory.
While living in Minnesota, I tried to design an electronic machine that would quickly tabulate and transfer election data to a central data bank in St. Paul. My idea was ridiculously simple and I did not think of a printer insde the machine recording the data, something that would have been obvious to me had I used ATM's. In Minnesota I never did, so the thought never even occurred to me. Very unlike the folks at Diebold, who manufacture ATM's, as well as voting machines. The issue of hacking and kids hacking into the system kept coming up as objections as I pushed this idea (I wanted to make some money too, as you might imagine) and frankly, a printed log of all transactions occurring within the machine would reveal any hacking attempts, no matter how clever.
The fact that there is no printed log within the machines that Diebold manufactures and sells is very revealing of the intent of the designers, who unlike me, were very aware of what a printed record could mean.
My sons' friends, who do not go to an Ivy League school, but religious high schools in Jerusalem, could likely hack into the system Diebold has designed. If my own mind could grok computer logic, I probably could too.
So relying on a toy like a computer as your voting machine without having at least the backup of a printed record of its transactions is inviting voting fraud.
As G-d told Cain "...Sin rests your door. Its desire is toward you, yet, you can conquer it" (Gen. 4:7, in part)
Diebold, and those who hired the firm and gave it the specifications, have no desire to conquer sin.
32 - Jet in Columbus
What caused the suspicion was not paranoia Dave and it's plainly outlined in the article. Kerry waw supposed to win Ohio, every exit poll predicted it along with nearly every news organization. Then suddenly the election results changed.
33 - Jet in Columbus
Thanks very much Ruvy I'm glad you contributed. I was refering in the article to a big external printer accessible to the voter so that he could verify his vote was tabulated correctly by matching his ballot number to the printed record.
Since the motherboard does have a printer port, the problem isn't the design, it's states not buying the printer REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL AFFILIATION.
Apparently varifiable elections are ohly worth so much before you go over budget.
Thanks again Ruvy!
34 - Jet in Columbus
Aviel Rubin, technical director of the Johns Hopkins Information Security Institute, led a team of three computer scientists to examine source code for touch-screen voting machines made by Diebold. More than 40,000 Diebold voting machines are in use in 37 states. Most use touch-screen technology, while the rest use optical-scanning equipment, said Mike Jacobsen, a company spokesman.
The code was downloaded earlier this year from a company FTP site. The site isn't public, but it's also not secure. Diebold's field representatives used the site to fix the company's voting machines. Diebold has since pulled the source code off the Internet. The company's employees now carry discs.
Within a half-hour of examining the code, Rubin's team found its first red flag. The password was embedded in the source code. "You learn (not to do) that in security 101," said Tadayoshi Kohno, one of the report's co-authors. "The designers didn't follow standard engineering processes."
Other "stunning flaws" Rubin said the team found in Diebold's source code included voter smart cards that could be manipulated to cast more than one vote, software that could be reconfigured by malicious company workers or election officials to alter voters' ballot choices without their knowledge and machines that could be electronically broken into through remote access.
For the rest of this article click anywhere in the colored section.
35 - Jet in Columbus
Dave said...
Recent CNN polls show that as many as seventy-one percent of Americans disapprove of the job the GOP-led Congress is doing.
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave. Had you read the article not skimmed it you'd have noticed even in your copy and paste that that refers to Congress' approval rating, not Bush's.
...Approval of Congress has plunged to its lowest level in more than a decade (32 percent), and Americans, by a margin of 54 percent to 35 percent, say they trust Democrats more than Republicans to deal with the biggest problems the nation is confronting. Fifty-five percent of those surveyed said congressional Democrats deserve to be reelected next month, but just 39 percent said Republicans deserve to return to office.
The poll measures broad public attitudes and cannot be translated into individual House districts, but it sketches an environment that is the most difficult the Republicans have faced since taking control of Congress in the 1994 elections. By a margin of 54 percent to 41 percent, registered voters said they plan to vote for the Democrat over the Republican in congressional elections next month...
...In the Post-ABC News poll, 71 percent agreed that Congress did little or nothing this year...
For the rest of this WASHINGTON POST article click anywhere in the colored section.
36 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Aviel Rubin, eh? Information security is one of Israel's bigger products (which is why near any high schooler here can hack into a system with astonishing ease). It would not surprise me at all if Mr. Rubin spoke with a Hebrew accent.
37 - Jet in Columbus
Those darned Jews are everywhere aren't they?
Thank G-d
38 - Arch Conservative
It's funny to see a post hinting at GOP voter corruption when it's the Democrats who have been fighting voter id laws tootha nd nail. I guess the Dems figure, and rightly so, that they can't win without all those dead people and illegal aliens voting for them two or three times.
39 - JustOneMan
Reason Number 8 Not to Vote for Dumbocrats
To quote the typists "Kerry waw supposed to win Ohio.... Then suddenly the election results changed."
LOL.. I was supposed to win the Powerball lottery than suddenly some factory worker in Missouri won! This is the kind of flawed lunacy presented in this "well documented and factual" propaganda!
"The Dems tough on gays, weak on the truth"
40 - Jet in Columbus
I've put my sources out for everyone to see Arch, let's see you prove what your saying with some links to facts and credible sources.
Put up or shut up
41 - JustOneMan
FACT Number 1 - California Democratic Secretary of State Kevin Shelley
Besides allegations that he used millions of dollars in federal Help America Vote Act funds to boost his political profile and reward Democratic allies, [Shelley] also faces two state investigations and a federal probe into accusations he accepted campaign contributions from a political ally that had been laundered through a state grant. He's also been accused of accepting political donations in his state office.
42 - JustOneMan
Fact Number 2
American Center for Voting Rights 2004 Election found...
[A] careful review of the facts shows that in 2004, paid Democrat operatives were far more involved in voter intimidation and suppression efforts than their Republican counterparts. Examples include:
* Paid Democrat operatives charged with slashing tires of 25 Republican get-out-the-vote vans in Milwaukee on the morning of Election Day.
* Misleading telephone calls made by Democrat operatives targeting Republican voters in Ohio with the wrong date for the election and faulty polling place information.
* Intimidating and deceiving mailings and telephone calls paid for by the DNC threatening Republican volunteers in Florida with legal action.
* Union-coordinated intimidation and violence campaign targeting Republican campaign offices and volunteers resulting in a broken arm for a GOP volunteer in Florida.
Vote fraud and voter registration fraud were significant problems in at least a dozen states around the county. Vote fraud is a reality in America that occurred not only in large battleground states like Wisconsin but in places like Alabama and Kentucky. The record indicates that in 2004, voter registration fraud was mainly the work of so-called “nonpartisan” groups such as Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) and NAACP National Voter Fund. Examples include:
* Joint task force in Wisconsin found “clear evidence of fraud in the Nov. 2 election in Milwaukee,” including more than 200 felon voters, more than 100 double voters and thousands more ballots cast than voters recorded as having voted in the city.
* NAACP National Voter Fund worker in Ohio paid crack cocaine in exchange for a large number of fraudulent voter registration cards in names of Dick Tracy, Mary Poppins and other fictional characters.
* Former ACORN worker said there was “a lot of fraud committed” by group in Florida, as ACORN workers submitted thousands of fraudulent registrations in a dozen states across the country, resulting in a statewide investigation of the group in Florida and multiple indictments and convictions of ACORN/Project Vote workers for voter registration fraud in several states.
43 - Jet in Columbus
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44 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
My, my Jet, You did say that you were an artist...
Not bad...
45 - Jet in Columbus
Thanks Ruby... he probably thinks it's a boat
46 - JustOneMan
Can you hear that....the silence of the Dumbs....
So when confronted with facts AS IN THE PAST...hysteria sets in!
47 - Nancy
Jet, good article, well researched and FACTUAL. Of course the knee-jerk Bush apologists & GOP hard-ons aren't going to acknowledge the truth or facts because it exposes them (or more accurately, their party) for what it currently has become, which is a far cry from what they were when they came in, in '94. Until conservatives can restore their integrity & are willing to clean house in a way that is meaningful and not just window dressing, they have and should have no credibility with voters of any persuasion. I will add that the liberals need to do the same, or they're going to suffer the same fate the GOP is facing now.
48 - Jet in Columbus
Ruvy, did you just dear something, I think someone just farted! Odd I don't see any factoid website URLs? Must be my imagination.
Off to bed, I'be been up all night.
49 - Jet in Columbus
Turns out that "contract with America" was a no-bidder with Haliburton eh Nancy?
50 - troll
it would appear that Americans are inherently dishonest in their politics
fuck 'em all...they deserve the 'leaders' that they have and that they will get
51 - Nancy
Americans aren't dishonest - that's the leaders & the behind-the-scenes corporate masters who buy the leaders & own them. The problem is that thanks to technology, the plutocracy has discovered the prefect way to produce a nation of uncritical, semi-literate Consumers with limited attention spans who are incapable of independent thinking, partially through from-birth exposure to TV, etc., and partially because critical thinking is no longer taught or encouraged in schools. They have created the perfect masses, responsive to 10-second sound-bites and incessant 'ads' & political marketing of short, easy phrases like "mission accomplished", "stay the course", "war on terror", and "cut & run" - even when such phrases are inherently meaningless except as cheerleading mantras or demonization tactics.
Look at the current elections: both sides, but especially the GOP, are blatant & open about money being able to BUY the vote: he with the largest war chest will win. Bush is quite open about it. Using taxpayer funds to travel (which is a violation of US law, but nobody's called him on it, for some reason) he's been fundraising for the GOP since he was re-elected, without cessation, to the point where he doesn't even do the work he was elected and paid to do, because he's busy fundraising. Katrina was a prime example of this dereliction of duty in favor of his activities panhandling for money.
In the end, he may be right. I wish he weren't, but the American electorate is fundamentally gullible, easily conned and marketed to by whoever has the most money to buy ads. They'll essentially vote, most of 'em, for whoever's name was last flashed in front of their eyes.
So the problem isn't dishonest American voters, it's abysmally stupid & gullible voters who are easily conned by dishonest, venal politicians & the corporate & special interests behind them.
52 - troll
it's ordinary Joes doing the hands on cheating..the so called powerful are just an excuse and funding source
53 - Nancy
No, the ordinary joes are the paid stooges of the powerful &/or radically corrupt such as Karl Rove, who has openly acknowledged his goal to be creating a permanent neocon administration (I won't say GOP, because he isn't Republican except by the most tenuous definition), regardless of whether that means utterly stealing or corrupting an election & stealing votes, or what. He has even admitted that if he could get away with it, he'd resort to Chinese Tienamen Sq. tactics against the people. THIS is what fuels the corruption; not the voters themselves. Most of them would rather have honest elections, even if that meant their side didn't win. It's the integrity of the vote/election that counts with most people, which is why all the public heartburning about the reliability of the Diebolds (concomitant with the conflict of interest of the Diebold CEOs, etc.) & lack of paper trail.
I can tell you all hell is going to break loose - or it should - if the GOP wins the upcoming elections, because the probability of election fraud will just be too great to ignore, since all the machines are under the control of GOP-affiliated persons or companies. Combined with the current anti-incumbent feelings of the general electorate, it will be supremely suspicious if they do win. Even Gov. Erlich, the MD. GOP governor, is suspicious, as Jet notes in this excellent article, above.
For example, I don't mind at all if the GOP wins, as long as it's a genuine and HONEST win. It's when I have good reason to be suspicious that my vote may have been fraudulently pre-empted, other legit voters refused an opportunity to vote, or whatever else funny business may be in hand, that I object, and I have good reason to believe that all but the most biased partisans of left & right feel the same way I do about it. It's those most biased partisans (or those that stand to lose either power or wealth) that have no compunctions about denying a fair election & corrupting the political process. Most Americans, while they may be gullible & dumber than dirt, are fundamentally honest, I think.
54 - Arch Conservative
So no one cares to discuss voter id legislation or the left's rabid, fanatical opposition to it and the motives for that opposition?
55 - gonzo marx
Arch..i'm glad to discuss the Issue of voting in America with anyone..it is NOT a partisan Issue, and ANYONE trying to make it so deserve a good tar and feathering...
this is a crucial issue to our Republic and the very source of our legitimacy as a government and a nation
so , speak your mind..but might i ask you put the bullshit "left" and "right" bits to the side, and talk about the actual Issue
i don't give a fuck who or what when it comes to these piece of shit Diebold machines...what i care about is the Integrity of our process...
which shoudl be the main concern for ALL citizens, shouldn't it?
can we at least agree that the REAL issue here isnon-partisan, but a genuine concern by folks about the objective integrity of the voting system
since Voting isa basis of our system, then one woudl think all should strive towards making said system as accurate and accountable as possible...striving to minimze the possibilities of fraud or error
my Point in ranting against things like the Diebold systems are just that, in this case it appears that an electronic system that defies said guidelines of accountability and reliability has been designed and implemented
when dealing with systemics, it is always the goal to make said system MORE reliable and accountable, nto less
and the evidence shows that these Diebold systems deliberately make the system less, and not more reliable
as for voter ID...
there's many answers to this one...one state is doing ALL of it's ballots by mail trying to be efficient, and adding in the fact that since the ballots go via the US mail, any fraud would be a federal felony (mail fraud)
the only way i can see to help the system when it comes to trying to eliminate fraud by having non-registered people voting, and many of these other Issues would be to have the federal election comission being in charge of federal elections
but since this is handled atthe local level, then the problem you are talking abotu has to be dealt with on the local level... no one size fits all solution is available
can we agree on these basics as well as the Principle that this Issue is a non-partisan one at it's core, but rather a threat to our entire system of government?
cuz this gonzo thinks the Issue IS that important
Excelsior?
56 - Nancy
Arch, I'm the "Left" and I approve of it wholeheartedly. Just because Kennedy doesn't, doesn't mean he represents ALL us Leftist loonietunes. An awful lot of us think IDs are not only inevitable but a good thing. It ain't the Righties that're alone in approving of it. It's just that Kennedy squeals louder, so he gets more attention.
Besides, you ought to be aware by now that, at least for the Dems, the Party Leaders do NOT represent the vast majority of Dems; they represent THEMSELVES. I would venture to speculate that it's pretty much the same on the Right/GOP side, which is why so many incumbents on BOTH sides of the aisle are (hopefully) about to get a one-way ticket to the unemployment lines.
57 - Jet in Columbus
Troll, I agree with you, we Americans deserve the leaders we have because instead of going out and voting, we stay at home allowing evangelical priests and droves of of their preprogramed followers to pick our leaders.
In a way we deserve it because church bus drivers seem to be the only truly committed voters this country has.
58 - Nancy
I think we need to go to the Australian system of mandatory voting. Nothing else is going to get some of these idiots off their fat backsides otherwise, than if it costs them.
59 - Jet in Columbus
Nancy, you bring up a good point. Here in Ohio the negative campaign ads on both sides are becoming the republican's downfall.
It's to the point where we're all realizing that any point or action made by one candidate, no matter how insignificant, can be "spun" to means something completely different and negative.
Because of that, we're switching channels when a political ad comes on, making us less uninformed, and more prone to vote on what we don't know...
which is basically that two out of every three people in the country don't like the job Bush is doing and three out of four don't like the Republican't congress so that's how they vote.
hopefully in droves that outnumber the church bus population.
60 - Jet in Columbus
Speaking of busloads of senior citizens, the many I've talked to still remember the debacle at the beginning of the year of them being forced to pick from a confusing array of health plans, that have ended making them pay more for medications because they chose the wrong one.
They're blaming congress for that one, so shipping them off to the voting precincts thinking that older people always vote republican may backfire on them.
61 - Jet in Columbus
Arch, since Voter I.D. isn't part of this article, I will not be side-tracked by your diversionary tactics from the issues at hand here of which there are many. You want to talk about that?
Example...
Host-Good evening folks the topic of tonight't discussion is Social Security reform.
Guest-Yes I'd like to speak out on how I hate that Mcdonald's puts mustard on their hamburgers when you didn't ask for it.
write your own article about I.Ds.
Love, hugs and Kisses
Jet
I've finding it interesting how the right wingnuts are so happy to spew their vomit on other's work, but they[re not proud enough of their own thought (which usually aren't their own thoughts) enough to put them down on for others to read.
62 - Jet in Columbus
Gonzo to Arch-...so , speak your mind..but might i ask you put the bullshit "left" and "right" bits to the side, and talk about the actual Issue
Oh god I needed a good belly laugh about then
Thanks Gonzo
63 - Jet in Columbus
Thanks Gonzo, exactly the point I was trying to make. Diebold is only part of the problem.
It's not that the right or the left is capable or motivated to alter the election results; it's that thanks to Diebold and others it's possible through security glitches to do it at all!
A democracy that can't rely on the integrety and reliability of the people to voice their opinions and voter decisions, is no longer a democracy.
64 - Jet in Columbus
Right Nancy, If it were up to me our representatives would all wear name tags that said
Sponsored by
Name of corporation that paid for campaign
65 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Bing,
If you have compuslory voting, as you do in Australia, you do not need such bullshit as a voter ID card.
Besides, the issue is not the ID card, but the integrity of the machines themselves which Americans rely on to tabulate their votes.
In Israel, ther are no voting machines, and there is a national ID card (the Teudát Zehút) which is taken away from you when you are voting. You are assigned a voting place by the Miniatry of Interior's polulation control section, and that is where you are allowed to vote. You put the appropriate piece of paper in an envelope, deposit the envelope in the box ans sign that you have voted.
The problems here come with people stealing the voting boxes (I didn't say there was no voter fraud here).
66 - troll
while I object to mandatory anything I could go along if 'none of the above' were always included on the ballot
67 - Jet in Columbus
Thanks Ruvy. One of the reasons that Election day hasn't been declared a national holiday a long time ago is that the Right doesn't want the working class (who are basically union workers etc and left leaning loonies with low paying jobs) to have a day off when they can get away from work and vote.
That and by the time they get off work they'll figure it's too late to make a difference anyway and the lines will be too long and the traffic to dense.
cunning isn't it?
68 - Jet in Columbus
Troll????????? ar you trying to make sense to these people?.......you silly
69 - Jet in Columbus
Two weeks before Election Day, voters are more focused on national issues than in any previous congressional election, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, and they express unprecedented pessimism on the war in Iraq and downbeat attitudes about the economy.
Just 19% of those surveyed say the United States is winning in Iraq, an all-time low. And 38% say their own member of Congress doesn't deserve re-election, an all-time high.
For the rest of this USA TODAY article By Susan Page and Jill Lawrence click anywhere in the colored section.
70 - troll
despite public disenchantment the Repubs are out fund raising the Dems by significant margins...historically elections overwhelmingly go to the 'richest' candidate
this will be an interesting one
71 - troll
(actually the above concerning $ raised applies to the House...I haven't looked at the Senate races yet)
72 - Jet in Columbus
To the rich go the spoils Troll?
73 - JustOneMan
yawnnnn....another freak show circle jerk...keep watchin the polls as the dem poll numbers start to drop....keep up the good work lefty loonies the voters are seeing what yer party is all about!
Reason Number 8 not to Vote for the Dumbofux
...Nancy Pelosi
74 - Bill B
There are legitimate reasons to be against much of the voter id legislation. If it entails having a drivers license or picture id it will lop off blocks of the voting public. This is why many dems are against it and some repubs are for it.
Ask yourself what is a greater threat to the integrity of an election. The odd individual who votes illegally or the ability to hack a computerized voting system and alter the results?
Then factor in the age old conventional wisdom that a higher turnout favors dems and you have all you need to know about why the republicans are virtually silent on diebold, and pushing Jim Crowesque legislation to either limits the rolls or paint the dems as in favor of fraud.
Obviously it plays right to the base. See Arch.
I'm all for a user friendly id system. But not at the cost of denying someones right to vote.
Until we make the politicians make the election process job one, we are going to have questions.
The fact that after all the irregularities revolving around these machines, we still don't have a mandatory paper trail for ALL votes is a disgrace and tells you more than you may want to know about those we elect to office and ouselves.
Our apathetic asses get what they deserve.
75 - Arch Conservative
Arch, since Voter I.D. isn't part of this article, I will not be side-tracked by your diversionary tactics from the issues at hand here of which there are many. You want to talk about that?"
The article is about voter fraud right? Well it's blatantly obvious that the reason the Dems oppose voter id legislation is that it will hinder their attempts at rigging elections. My pointhad everything to do with the topic of the article.
As for Bill B.s moronic statement that voter id laws are "jim croweqsue"..........voter id legislation would apply to all American citizens regardless of race, creed, or color so take your bullshit race baiting argument somewhere else.