The Jews are fighting the Nazis when they fight the Arabs, because they're victims of the AA Kill Ratio Theory.
A friend of mine asks: “What is it about the Jews that they always go to extremes? Why didn’t they just negotiate for a prisoner exchange when Hezbollah kidnapped their soldiers? Heck, they’ve done it before. Why do they have to go and bomb the bejezus out of Lebanon? Are they goddamn crazy?”…
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26 - Martin Lav
So Bush would have bombed power plants in the Sunni Triangle if the liberals hadn't stopped him? That's how he would have "crushed" the insurgency?
27 - Alix
He would have leveled more of the city with bombs before sending in ground troops. However, since people seem to forget that there are casualties in war, he is not able to do that. Same goes for Afganistan. They have no regard for our human life or anyone elses. As long we continue to be nice politically correct, they will kill us and everyone else..
28 - Martin Lav
Americans don't bomb innocent civilians for a couple of soldier kidnappings.....not even Bush.
Once he took his photo-op aboard the aircraft carrier and declared an end to major combat operations, then he essentially stopped his war. Aside from Falluja, there wasn't indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets and certainly none of the power stations, bridges or airports were bombed. The point of this is like Ash stated it would appear that the Israeli's are so sensitive to the possibility of genocide that they take extreme measures that appear on the verge of paranoia. Certainly one could say and I know you will, that the Arabs all publicly state their objective is to wipe Israel off of the globe, but then the Arabs too operate from a severe case of a delusional inferiority complex that can be traced back to Cyrus the Great. Nonetheless, as Ash point out in the numbers game 2 paranoid delusional peoples trying to occupy 1 piece of desert wasteland, doesn't equal 0 deaths.
29 - Richard Brodie
Never forget that Hitler whacked six million Jews
Actually not nearly that many. I'd like to see the body count. The problem is that the Jewish population "recovered" to pre-war levels way faster than would have been possible if anywhere near that many had been killed. Of course the Jews would like to hang on to that inflated figure because of the sympathy it earns for them. But impartial, objective, unbiased scientific observers have come to the conclusion that the number was probably less than a million, most of whom were killed, not by the Nazis, but rather by starvation when their food supplies were cut off by the Allied carpet bombing of German cities.
BTW, I could get several years in prison in just about every country of Europe, and in Canada, if the thought/speech control police in those modern-day medieval tyrannies ever got wind that I had even suggested that the number might be less than the approved, "orthodox" figure of six million - and I kid you not, that's the inquisitional term they actually use - orthodox!
30 - troll
unbelievable - a holocaust denier
do you really believe that crap Richard - ?
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31 - Martin Lav
Here we go with the numbers game again.
Let me see if you take 1 dumb racists, multiply it with another dumb racist of the same pure white bloodline, you get many dumb white kids living in a trailer wondering when the blacks and browns and yellows are gonna come looking for them.....
It's all in the numbers
32 - Adam Ash
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Richard Brodie, holocaust denier!
Is this the first outing of a Holocaust denier on Blogcritics? My god, Blogcritics attain ultimate success -- even Holocaust deniers read us now.
Eric Olsen, take note: the fame of your invention has spread to all comers.
33 - Greg
Just as it would be fruitless for Israel to diplomatically reason with terorists, there is no point in responding to someone as thick as a Holocaust denier.
Adam - Aside from the fallacious reasons you give in paragraph 2 of your article, the reason that the Jews have a score to settle from the days of the Holocaust is faulty as well.
The only reason Israel launches any offensive attack on Hezbollah or Hamas is purely defensive in nature. If there were no reason for Israel to take steps to further protect itself or secure its borders, it wouldn't.
However, by Hezbollah and Hamas, this is not the case. Various leaders of these terrorist groups have openly declared their intent to wipe Israel off the map and to kill every Jew and infidel as a means to accomplish jihad. It doesn't stop with Israel. These people are fascist at heart and strive for the destruction of the western hemisphere and for global domination.
Just as one could have read Mein Kampfe before and during World War II, one can actually see and hear the murderous intentions of these terrorists every day on al-manar and al-jazeera television stations. They need to be bombed off the face of the Earth because there is no reasoning with them.
The world is in an era of troubles. Something should be done.
34 - RJ Elliott
While I doubt Brodie's numbers, he is correct in stating that such a "politically-incorrect" public comment would land him in jail in numerous "free" countries in the West...
35 - Adam Ash
"Defensive" doesn't mean bombing poor Lebanon to smithereens. Half a million Lebanese have fled their homes -- this is the result of "defensive" action? Pleeeze.
36 - Victor Plenty
Adam, if you happen to know of where Hezbollah has any rocket launchers placed far away from all civilian homes and businesses, I'm sure the Israeli Air Force would be happy to receive the target coordinates from you. Oh, but wait. There aren't any such places.
You fail to assign a fair share of the blame to Hezbollah for hiding all of their military hardware behind civilians. Thus your bias becomes clear and undercuts your credibility.
The suffering of the Palestinian refugees is a fact. Israel is not the only cause of their suffering, and is not the only country that could do something to reduce it. This is also a fact. Only the biased ignore one of these facts while constantly attempting to draw the world's attention to the other.
37 - Richard Brodie
While I doubt Brodie's numbers, he is correct in stating that such a "politically-incorrect" public comment would land him in jail in numerous "free" countries in the West
And the Jews are now pushing hard on two fronts, control of the internet, and "hate-speech" laws, to make criticism of Zionists, holocaust "denial", etc. crimes in America as well.
And be careful about saying that you only "doubt" my numbers. Someday THAT could get you into trouble because you almost seem to be admitting that there is some possibility, howsoever slight, that they may be more correct than the "orthodox" numbers.
Your safest CYA position would be to say something like "Brodie's ideas about the Holocaust are full of shit."
38 - Alix
Hey Adam, Lebanon can't have their cake and eat it too. They either take a side against Hezbollah and force them out of their country or they suffer the ramifications. They have had plenty of time to remove Hezbollah.
39 - Martin Lav
The arguments about hiding their launchers etc..in civilian areas is pretty weak. Where would they hide them? Putting them in the open wouldn't be considered hiding I don't think. Assuming that all these people are murderous by nature and wanting to eliminate them all is exactly what they think the Israel and the West wants to do to them. Their inferiority complex developed since the fall of their empires of the past causes them to attack others for their ill fate. Some of which is understandably when you look at the history of some of their leaders of the past trumped up and put in place by the West. Meanwhile they are fighting what they think to be a noble cause and have used slingshots in the past, those being hidden in the bedrooms of the civilian population. Now they have rockets and since they have no military force to speak of, no bases, no tanks, they pull them out of from underneath their beds. As far as Lebanon controlling Hezbollah, they can't and it was Hezbollah that was the only protection for the Lebanese during the past occupation by Israel.
Taking the AAKILLRATIO theory one step further we see that the Arabs must believe that need to kill 30 Jews for every martyed Jihadist. So, one suicide bomber = 30 Jews divided by 30 virgins means that for every woman that dies from an Israeli bomb, then an Arab must multiply himself by 5 wifes times 2 children and add blow up one.
40 - Alix
Lebanon can ask for help to remove Hezbollah. They have not and not sure they want too. They seem to agree that all of Israel should burn. As for the virgins. Get over it. That is not worth killing people. As I said Lebanon can't have their cake and eat it too.
41 - Martin Lav
Is Israel trying to kill all the Christians?
42 - Alix
Israel is not trying to kill Christians. The real question is, Who aren't the muslims trying to kill?
43 - Martin Lav
Well since you previously called for their extermination, I can't blame them for wanting to kill you for one. Don't you see the irony?
You believe that you are being nice and politically correct and now it's time to go back to dealing with them with a heavy hand. Well I contend that that has always been the case and it hasn't worked yet. So negotiate and take the higher moral ground and stay there always.
44 - Alix
The higher ground means 6 feet under.
45 - Martin Lav
Good can't negotiate with hate.
46 - jack e. jett
hey, my daddy the preacher man says those folks over there will never get alone. they are not meant to get along. they enjoy making each others lives miserable. so i say, let em go at it. let's bring all our boys home, take care of some issues at home and ....fuck the rest.
if you really want to know
that is what jesus would do.
he told me so.
jack jett
47 - gazelle
ever wonder why hizbollah was showing restraint since 2000, and suddenly attacked the israelis in support of hamas against israeli destruction in gaza?
suppose ive answered mine own question.
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48 - troll
gazelle - *ever wonder why hizbollah was showing restraint since 2000*
perhaps because its handlers (Syria - ?...Iran - ?) needed the time to arm it with rockets etc after Israel ended its occupation of Lebanon
while you pretend to reason you are blind to the obvious if it doesn't support your predjudice
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49 - gazelle
# 48 troll:
argh!
no it was a commitment too that they kept. you need to give them credit for that.
but the failure to tackle the disparity issue between isreal and palestinians / neighbors remained as a good reason to re-arm. and it was time to do that, no doubt, given israeli military power and blind ruthlessness.
it is also interesting to note that syria was pressured to get out of isreal with the democratic 'cedar revolution', only so that israel could assert its miltary might on it.
Question is: would it have happened, would hezbollah have attacked the IDF soldiers (in solidarity with hamas and against israeli destruction in gaza) has syria not left Lebanon ?
I doubt it. Things were more stable before. Now israel is taking a simple negotiating military swing to exert a little further in the region challenging iran and syria relatively directly, in order to arrive at a new equation of muscle in the region.
We are already seeing israel softening up. the move is over. The good thing is, after israeli withdrawals from lebanon, gaza and the west bank, and some of the buffers (such as hezbollah) moved around, there will hopefully be more space to solve the palestinian problem, rather than just shoddily ensuring oil interests or israeli security (such as it is) or maintaining a relative status quo.
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50 - troll
Gazelle - was arming to the teeth with scudish rockets part of that commitment that they kept - ?
and whose idea do you think that was...some Iranian perhaps - ?
my main wonder about hezbollah these days is what inspired them to engage in such a suicide mission - it appears that they brought 'knives to a gunfight' and are relying on the international 'community' to save their hides
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ps I'm glad to read you...I was afraid that I'd gone too far with the insults
51 - gazelle
hezbollah has been fighting israeli agression since 1982 with iranian help. no doubt.
but this is 2006. iran will not risk overt military help to hezbollah, but overt political help is not problematic for iran, because globally it is okay to check the israelis one way or another, despite all the "terrorist" rhetoric - most pronounced from israel-US-Blair. others dont use this language.
Its about the conditions people live in and are made to endure.
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52 - troll
*Its about the conditions people live in and are made to endure.*
were this the whole story I would expect the rockets to be aimed in a different direction
I think that you've already gone around on this subject of who bears the responsibility for treatment of the Arab Palestinians following the Nakba
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53 - gazelle
#52 troll:
I think you misinterpret. To clarify, the conditions do not justify the attacks, but they certainly are the major root cause of the conflict.
Also I am sure Hezbollah, and also Hamas and PLO, have had tense relations with many of the arab neighbors. so i dont have a simple picture of this. just have a look at the bickering at OIC or the arab league.
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54 - troll
(Gazelle - I understood that you were discussing cause not justification)
despite all the bickering between the Arabs the rockets are going into Israel - the improperly so called sole enemy of Palestinian Arabs
who continue to be used and abused by fellow Arabs
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55 - gazelle
as i said in #49, five days ago : its over
headlines
1. israel pulls out of gaza (jreusalem post)
2. bushblair call for urgent int'l force in leb (bbc)
3. israeli 'go ahead' outrageous - US State Dept (bbc)
BUT now lets get back to where we were : the Palestinian problem !
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56 - br
With regards to 6 million whacked by Hitler, the atheist commie jew killed 10 million (final count to 1985 per www.jewwatch.com was 100 million, website by relative of slain Ukrainians) Russians during their grand revolution. Then the same commie Jews who were given haven in Germany during their 2 commie revolution attempts in Russia then turned on their host state and stated that the German race should be exterminated (ignoring pleas from Churchill who later looked the other way during Hitler's slaughter and blocked Jewish immigration to Israel). These atheist Jews can be traced back to the French revolution slaughter have never been brought under control by the Nationalist Jews thus the Jewish race has suffered slaughter for 2000 years when they seek to establish their atheist and corrupt lifestyle (gay, feminism, humanism) on the host country. So shouldn't Israel try something old like follow their laws arresting the godless left or send them to the liberal EU. This war will continue since the Hollywood/New York City leftist direct control of the US government thru media/courts/ACLU/black-allies/civil servants unions driving a weak world government. Release the US government and live else extermination (which Bin Laden will be happy to perform). What goes around comes around!
PS A Russian Jew I lived with stated his grandfather said the Bolsheviks commie Jews were just gangsters.
57 - Sue Donim
The justifications are all based on the simplistic Nazis= Evil, Jewish= Victims mentality.
There is provocation from both sides.
58 - roger nowosielski
Not to dispute the second-mentioned equality, so now we can speak of "good Nazis."
Interesting.