Many people are commenting on Morgan Reynolds's comments that the WTC collapse was controlled demolition and not the planes flying into the towers. Let's take a look at some facts...
Many people are commenting on Morgan Reynolds's comments that the WTC collapse was controlled demolition and not the planes flying into the towers. Let's take a look at some facts...…
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Stuff like this also makes one just a little suspicious..
http://israelnn.com/news.php3?id=85346
Report: Israel Was Warned Ahead of First Blast
13:30 Jul 07, '05 / 30 Sivan 5765
(IsraelNN.com) Army Radio quoting unconfirmed reliable sources reported a short time ago that Scotland Yard had intelligence warnings of the attacks a short time before they occurred.
The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance, resulting in Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remaining in his hotel room rather than make his way to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first explosion, a Liverpool Street train station, where he was to address and economic summit.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8495554/
The Associated Press
Updated: 1:37 p.m. ET July 7, 2005
JERUSALEM - Israel was not warned about possible terror attacks in London before a series of blasts ripped through the city, Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said Thursday.
A Foreign Ministry official, speaking on condition of anonymity, had said earlier that British police warned the Israeli Embassy in London of possible terror attacks minutes before the first explosion.
677 - HW Saxton
What is so suspicious? He's an Israeli.
In Isreal, bomb threats are taken quite
seriously because they ARE usually real.
Netanhyu didn't want to risk getting his
ass blown off so rather than risk it he
stayed in. It came to pass that it was
REAL. He survived. Suspicious??????????
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh.
Sounds more like someone being cautious
and in doing so saved his own ass from
death. W/O specifics Scotland Yard etc.
could not have shut down the entire UK
and all of the transit systems because
of a purported threat as they recieve
these regularly.It so happened this one was real.
What is "SUSPICIOUS" here is that all
of your information sources are always
unnamed Govt. sources or those speaking
anonymously from some foreign intel. or
another who cannot named,thereby making
any claims or info recieved from them
seen as highly dubious or plain ol' BS.
I could qoute anonymous sources all day
long as could anyone else without having
to take any responsibility for what was
said. It's an easy game to play.
678 - irishdrifter
JB
Am I allowed to call you anti-Hititic and a right wing xenophobe because of the views you hold?
The Israeli embassy in London is in lock Down.
There is something fishy going on!
679 - irishdrifter
London Israeli Embassy
The Missing Link
680 - Eric Olsen
between what and what?
681 - irishdrifter
...between the post where I forgot to post the link and the post with the link posted, or something like that! If thats not too confusing for you! :-)
682 - Phillip Winn
Hey, irish, we do agree on one thing: I too think that the Israeli embassy is related to the bombing today.
Because the guys who attacked London are trying to kill Jewish people.
Of course.
683 - HW Saxton
Pardon Moi? A Right-Wing Xenophobe? You sure as fuck do not know me or what the hell you are talking about now junior!!!
Right Wing because I don't believe outlandish theories such as what I have seen posted around here on this thread? I am no fan of George Bush. Or John Kerry either for that matter. I've yet to find a politician who speaks fully for me yet and I doubt that I ever will. But Right Wing YOW!!! THAT kinda hurt.
684 - Splat
As for myself the bombings are still fresh. I will wait until I have more info before I make a decision on who I think did it.
685 - splat
What I do know is the German news reported that there were 6 bombs that went off to include showing a map where the 6 locations where and then 10 minutes later switch it to 4. I wonder which figures are correct or which maps they showed us were correct. How is it they report 6 confirmed locations and then change it to 4 locations?
686 - hdhntr
Getting back on topic now, regarding the 9/11 as an inside job 'theory', the following videos are a MUST SEE! (may take a moment to load in your media player)
David Ray Griffin CSPAN Speech, Part One
David Ray Griffin CSPAN Speech, Part Two
687 - hdhntr
Also a definite MUST SEE video in terms of what we've been discussing here.
911 - In Plane Site Directors Cut, Part 1
911 - In Plane Site Directors Cut, Part 2
And THIS is a clip from the latest documentary "Loose Change" covering the controlled demolition aspect. (Just click play at site)
688 - hdhntr
War Games of 9/11
689 - irishdrifter
Junior?? Hahaha.
So I'm in the company of liberal minded thinkers am I?
Thinkers maybe, but there is a shortage of deductive reasoning and logic in the application thereof.
Im sure most Germans were happy with their Government beteen 1935 and 1945 too.
690 - hdhntr
Don't bother posting here anymore Irish. They've buried the topic, to hide it from probing eyes. It's all about fear and ignorance these days. That's what the culture is all about now..
691 - John Bambenek
Yes, Eric Olsen and I got a call from Karl Rove telling us to make sure this post no long shows up on the front page.
692 - Eric Olsen
NOW you've really spilled the beans, John!
If that comment doesn't provide rather penetrating insight into the "investigators," then I don't kow what would
693 - H.W. Saxton
Having been watching the TV news very early in the morning of the 7th,when I caught this it was still thought to have possibly been an electrical malfunction as it
was breaking.Minutes after it happened it was reported that 5 not 4 OR 6 explosions had happened. It was quickly amended to 6. Waking up later that morning and flipping on CNN I had found that they changed the count yet again to 4 bombings/explosions. I have just attributed this to the general chaos and confusion surrounding the event. Nothing more,nothing less.For example, I was once at a block party and there was a drive by shooting. Some thugs rolled by and shot off their pistols in the air.There were probably 125 to 150 people there in close quarters.Everyone heard the shots but most people had all heard different amounts. I heard several as I was diving under my neighbors pick up and thought it was maybe 5 or 6.My friends swore it was 3 shots and the people next door had heard over a dozen. The chaos just does not lend itself to accurate, clearheaded thinking.I'm sure the case here is of similar circumstance. In that chaos it would be quite easy for someone to say it was 6 instead of 4 or 5 or whatever and for the the media to run with that count and broadcast it as official in the irresponsible way that media can and will do in their haste to have the exclusive on the story in question. IMO that's all it is. Or some similar case of irresponsibility involving the press. I can't see where it would be indicative of anything sinister though, even if this were to NOT be the case.By the by and to whom this may concern: Just because I do not agree with your theories doe not mean I am not open minded or am a zombie soldier in the Right Wing army. It means only that I simply do not agree with you, your theories and the way you present them as fact when many are only uncorroborated theory, by intelligent people I'll admit, but only theory nonetheless.I myself, like most of the most highly skeptical people I know are closer to the on the extreme left or those with no political affiliation whatsoever rather than the Right wing of the Political spectrum. You shoot yourself in the foot and lose and/or alienate many who would be more interested of and likely to explore your avenues of thought regarding these matters (9/11,etc.) by throwing out false and unfounded accusations such as these when trying to put your point across.
694 - hdhntr
I agree with you Saxton about the number of bombs.
Regarding the rest, who's calling who kooks and moonbats and all the rest. That's not helpful either.
Btw, could you or did you review the videos I posted there, and if so, could you comment on that content and info. Thanks.
And put this post back up on the front page, where it belongs eh? It's no good if it isn't getting read by the many.
695 - hdhntr
However, that Rudy Guiliani and Tom Ridge were there the day prior doesn't quite set my mind at ease, over and above all the "Al Quaeda" talk..and that bus looked awfully 'clean' for such an explosion, with only two people dying, and a number still sitting in their seats on the top deck, quite alive. Pretty weird explosion..
I don't know, it has a type of psy-op feel to it, reminiscent of 9/11 in hindsight.
696 - John Bambenek
So you guys still are peddling the theory that 7/7 was a psy-op to distract people from Karl Rove being found innocent of all criminal charges?
697 - R. Johnson
It does seem a little bit odd that Ridge and Giuliani were there or had just been there, when all this went down in London.
Taking into consideration that the G8 was conferring not far away though, this would be pretty normal as they are both trying to ride the shirt tails of various politicians for different but similar reasons and are both power groupies I'm sure. They would likely want to be a part of this or as close as they could get to being part of it, I would think.
698 - Temple Stark
>>Karl Rove being found innocent of all criminal charges?
Yeah that's it. Sheesh. Up is down. Black is white. Ignorance is strength.
699 - Apocalypse
[quote]553 posted by Phillip Winn on July 1, 2005 01:23 PM:
More questions? Occam's Razor, folks! Stop the questions, put out your own alternative theory and see if we have any questions about it.
Why were NO Arabs listed on any of the Flight Manifests.
Irrelevant, but also completely untrue. We happen to know the names of the hijackers, or the names they used, because of the flight manifests, but we also have passenger testimony, surveillance footage, and other evidence.[/quote]
We have proof that every muslim alleged to be on those flights was a terrorist? I'd love to see that proof as it would change my mind completely.
[quote]Why is there NO airport footage of the 19 Arabs?
Completely untrue.[/quote]
We've all seen the video of four of the five alleged terrorist being scrutinized at the airport after setting of the magnetometer several times each and then being subjected to the wand before being allowed to board the plane.
The video has to be fake for several reasons...
Why would a group of five people, especially Muslim people be allowed to board the planes after four of them set off the magnetometer at least two times each?
Did they set off the wand also? We don't know because the video is silent. What we do know is that they were permitted to board the flight even though they set off the metal detectors at least twice.
If the video is legit, why is there no time or date stamp on it?
Why was there never any mention of this video before the second to the last day of the 9-11 commissions investigation?
[quote]7 of the 19 Arabs named are alive and well.
Ludicrous. If this were true, it would be trivially easy to produce a videotape demonstrating that they are alive, but no such video has surfaced. They are dead. Alternatively, the hijackers stole their identities, but again, since there is no credible claim to the contrary, it seem the hijackers probably used their real identities.[/quote]
I agree with the video stuff, but why do you use a link from the BBC when it's convenient for your opinion but trash it (the BBC) when it's not?
[quote]How did they get guns knives and mace and bombs on board the planes?
Irrelevant and specious. Prior to 9/11, it was relatively common for people to carry knives and mace in their carry-on items, and guns got through with alarming regularity. Even post-9/11, such weapons make it onto planes occasionally.[/quote]
Even after setting off the magnetometer?
[quote]But nobody here has suggested that they smuggled any such things onto planes. They used box-cutter knives (razor blades with handles) and claimed to have a bomb on the plane, but there is no evidence that this was true.[/quote]
There's no evidence that they had box cutters either, at least not according to what we saw on that phoney Dulles airport video.
[quote]Why does the Bureau of Transport Statistics show that TWO of the Flights in question did not even take place that day?
Irrelevant. You may have noticed that on that day and for many days following, all flight records were in complete chaos. Something about four planes having been hijacked. In fact, flights AA11 and AA77 did take place that day, were scheduled to take place that day, and were loaded up with passengers, as their family members will testify.[/quote]
Those two flights would have been hard to miss.
[quote]Why are both alleged UA planes still registered at the FAA as valid?
Irrelevant. AA is obviously more efficient than UA in reporting what seems perfectly obvious to anyone on earth on 9/11, and it took AA four months to get around to ensuring the FAA records were updated. UA can be forgiven for not rushing to file paperwork.[/quote]
Again, those two flights would been hard to miss.
[quote]Why did the FBI remove all film from buildings surrounding the Pentagon within minutes of the "event"?
They searched for any record of what happened, and in the end found only one, which was released. It is both standard procedure and perfectly obviously logical to try to compile all available records of an event when investigating that event.[/quote]
[quote]Why was there no plane wreckage at the Pentagon?
Utter nonsense.[/quote]
[quote]Can a 767-200 fit thought an 18ft hole?
Absolutely. Or rather, the hole was 75 feet wide. (The smaller hole was caused by the landing gear separately.) One wing was sheared off when it hit the ground and tumbled in after the plane, which is why the 125-foot wide plane caused a 75-foot wide hole.[/quote]
Hmm...no.
The plane that hit the pentagon made a hole that was roughly 18' feet wide. The 75' hole happened 20 some minutes later when the building collapsed. You need to go re-read the pm magazine article for your reference to the landing gear making the hole. They were talking about the landing gear making the exit hole, not the entry hole.
[quote]Why did the SS not whisk W off from his photo op? How did they KNOW it was safe for him to sit there reading my little goat?
They had no idea what the safest place for the POTUS might be, but with planes converging on the capitol, Florida was probably as safe as any other place. The SS might have been scrambling to determine where to send him, or they might have been ordered to back off by staff members determined not to let Bush look like a scaredy-cat, or any one of a number of explanations. I know that when I first heard about the second plane hitting and realized it wasn't an accident, I can't remember what I did for the next 20 minutes, easy, and Senator Kerry famously stated that the group of people he was with couldn't move or think for an hour. Nine minutes is not much time.[/quote]
Hindsight is 20/20 but on 9/11/01 no one should have known where the attacks were going to be. So why would you or anyone think that bush would be safe at a previously announced photo op? Sure, bush looked scared shitless but andy card and the secret service didn't look scared shitless and let's face the facts, to stay or go wouldn't have been bush' call.
[quote]How did un-trained un-skilled pilots navigate and fly 4x 767-200's without navigational assistance etc to precisely find their targets?
Untrained? Remember the flight schools? Ever played Flight Simulator? Take-off and landing are the hard part, flying into tall easily-identifiable buildings is easy.[/quote]
Like the ground floor of pentagon?
[quote]Why did the US airforce stand down?
The US air force followed standard procedure, but were notified late in the process.[/quote]
You know, if that were true someone in the FAA would been fired and prosecuted for aiding the terrorist yet noone at norad was prosecuted for sending the jet intercepters out over the atlantic ocean.
[quote]Why did the "terrorists" skim past a couple of Nuke power plants?
Because OBL's stated goal was and is to destroy the economy of the United States. Hence the attack on the WTC in 1993, etc.[/quote]
The attack on the WTC in 1993 was designed to take out the entire building. The attack on the WTC in 2001 was to take out three or four floors of the WTC. How is that going to destroy our economy?
Had they attacked any of the three nuclear powers plants on the Hudson river we'd have been kissing the entire north eastern United States goodbye for the next one thousand years.
[quote]Why was there molten steel in the basement 2 months after the attack?
There wasn't.[/quote]
Yes there was and the link you provided to refute it is really sad and desperate.
700 - Victor Plenty
Hmm. 6 explosions, then 4 explosions. I wondered about that too, but now I have arrived at the only logical explanation.
Shortly after the blasts, the London in which there were 6 explosions, along with all of its inhabitants, must have been stolen and replaced with an exact duplicate. Identical in every way, that is, except for the number of explosions that occurred.
The entire city of London, even as we speak, is being studied by aliens in their secret base underneath the Denver International Airport. All the real Londoners are being interrogated, probed, or impregnated with babies that have alien/human hybrid DNA. Meanwhile their robotic duplicates are going through the motions of life in the fake London where only 4 bombs went off.
Nothing else makes any sense.
701 - Dave Nalle
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702 - John Bambenek
Do you have one with a Hammer and a Sickle?
703 - Nancy
LOL - I think that brand has been discontinued! How 'bout an arm & hammer?
704 - John Bambenek
heheh...
Always thought Arm & Hammer was a commie front.
705 - Nancy
That red arm & upraised hammer ... when I was a kid, I thought it WAS a communist soap powder, & couldn't see what all the fuss was about. It did a good job cleaning clothes; I still use it.
706 - Apocalypse
Let's not argue with the facts when it's so much easier to simply ridicule them.
Oh and btw, george bush making fun of the fact that there was no wmd's in Iraq was a real hoot too.
Bravo
707 - Dave Nalle
There are facts on this thread? I thought it was just a group effort to see how many comments it takes to crash Movable Type.
Dave
708 - John Bambenek
hehe...
Well about 1000 more I think. :)
709 - hdhntr
Stick it back "up" and there'll BE 1000 more...
You aint seen nuthing yet.
There are some 'things' which have surfaced about the London Bombing as well, which appear to be congruent with what we were talking about in here.
Change the Title and resurrect this thread, and we'll take it to the top of the leader board and make waves, so to speak..? Yes?
710 - Eric Olsen
all of that is automatic: if a post gets enough comments in 24 hours, it goes in the Hot 5 on the front page
711 - hdhntr
Well, it was a hell of a run then eh?
712 - Apocalypse
You know, the saddest part of all of this is that the people are willing to give the prez a free pass on the WMD issue despite the fact that he ordered the pull out of the weapons inspectors before they could prove that Iraq had no such things...thus sending thousands innocent lives to an early grave...and still they refuse to believe that the bush administration would kill their own people in order to go to war.
That is the bottom here isn't it people...or should I say sheeple?
713 - Victor Plenty
Sheeple: those who won't let you herd them.
714 - John Bambenek
So what exactly surfaced with the London bombings that indicated it was a CIA/Mossad scam? I mean, besides the body parts of dead arab suicide bombers?
715 - John Bambenek
Kinda what I thought...
Nothing.
716 - hdhntr
There are a number of things about the London Bombings which raise suspicions about that event, some of which, as we've been led to believe in the major media reports, are simply absurd.
London Bombings
I find it interesting that no major media outlet has mentioned the drills or the emergency management preparedness excercises going on that morning, which, prior to the bombings, involved the exact same thing happening, at the same time, and at the precise locations where the actual explosions occured..!
Something is not right about what we're being told.
717 - John Bambenek
Do they have a FOIA in the UK... can we use it to get real evidence instead of links to anonymous potentially kook authors?
718 - hdhntr
You mean independant researchers.
If there's a cover up, and ommissions and distortions of facts, a UK FOIA request will hardly help.
Just look at 9/11, a full blown MIHOP (made it happen on purpose). Ya think a FOIA inquiry will help reveal the facts of that case?
You don't understand the new reality we are in.
The authorities cannot be trusted and are not providing the truth anymore, if the ever did.
Take the Oklahoma City Bombing investigation for example which is only now being revealed publically as a cover up.
719 - John Bambenek
Well, hdh, if you want to convince me you need to find some authoritative documentation, not some kook tinyurl link.
If there was a excercise, they can't shup up 1000 people and they can't suppress all the records. There is a lot of routine docs generated for that stuff. Let's see them.
720 - hdhntr
Go find them yourself. They're out there. I'm not going to do your research for you. Don't be lazy. Go look into it and 9/11 as well, like we all had to do.
721 - hdhntr
Would it help if I posted the interview with the Brit who was heading up the excercises and who admitted in the interview that they were preparing for the very thing that happened, at the same time, and places?
If you actually HEARD him saying it, and could then verify his position - would that work?
722 - John Bambenek
I'm not going to chase every shadow that you bring to bear... you prove your own claims.
Interview with whom?
723 - hdhntr
VIDEO: Terror Exercise Held on the Same Morning as the London 7/7 Bomb Attack
724 - hdhntr
That didn't seem to work. Try this.
VIDEO: Terror Exercise Held Same Morning as London 7/7 Bomb Attack
725 - hdhntr
http://globalresearch.ca/indexTest.php?context=viewArticle&code=20050712&articleId=665
VIDEO
Radio Interview