Waiting for the Advent of the Sunset Poet - Page 4

But the America of today is falling, and Robert A. Heinlein illustrated in four sentences what I've taken an entire article to say: "The two highest achievements of the human mind are the twin concepts of 'loyalty' and 'duty.' Whenever these twin concepts fall into disrepute, get out of there fast! You may possibly save yourself, but it is too late to save that society. It is doomed."

Loyalty without a true sense of duty is misguided. Duty without a true sense of loyalty is blind. Without these true senses of loyalty and duty, we cannot have a national will strong enough to compete or achieve, much less maintain a position of real leadership in the free world. Our decline will probably not be sudden; we'll still be the largest economy in the world for years to come, and our military will be second to none for at least two more decades, but we will nonetheless diminish to a modern equivalent of Italy, forever looking back at those glorious days when all roads led to Rome. The best we can hope for now is the advent of a sunset poet to help us face with courage, with the trademark stiff upper lip of our English forebears, our descent from supremacy.

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  • 1 - Clavos

    Dec 18, 2011 at 5:42 am

    A couple of your indicators exist for reasons having nothing to do with the decline of America, Glenn:

    The lack of high speed rail hinges oin the fact that America is an auto-centric society, and despite predictions to the contrary, not likely to give up its cars in favor of trains, no matter how fast they go. And for trips greater than 500 miles, the airplanes are much faster.

    The merchant marine is almost nonexistent thanks to the maritime unions, who made it too expensive to operate American flagged ships. Many of the current fleets flagged elsewhere are, in fact American-owned; especially the cruise lines.

    America is declining, I agree; but our population's increasing dependence on the largess of the government for their sustenance is, in my opinion, the primary reason for the decline.

    Americans have lost their gumption and spirit; we've become a nation of whiners.

  • 2 - Anarcissie

    Dec 18, 2011 at 6:12 am

    There is already a poet of American decline who has come and gone: Allen Ginsberg, whose oeuvre includes Howl, Wichita Vortex Sutra, and The Fall of America. Ginsberg, of course, did not locate America in industrial power or imperial might, but in culture, especially moral culture. Kipling made a similar point in 'Recessional' in somewhat more traditional language and meter. It's too bad only hippie intellectual types ever listen to these people before it's too late.

  • 3 - Glenn Contrarian

    Dec 18, 2011 at 8:51 am

    Clavos -

    I think you missed my point - again, the root cause is not partisan politics, it's not unions or the lack thereof, or the fact that we're a nation of whiners or a nation of "your problem is not my problem" adherents. The poopy diaper is not what's really causing the baby to cry.

    It's the hubris of supremacy, and willful ignorance is ever its developmentally-disabled offspring.

  • 4 - John Lake

    Dec 18, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Our problem is not in a lack of railroads. It is in a growing immoral culture, and in the devolving of our religions. The "Stranger, in a Strange Land" grows stranger still with every passing day.

  • 5 - jamminsue

    Dec 18, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Glenn,

    Excellent, your poopy diapers comment shows the true face of partisanship beautifully.

  • 6 - jamminsue

    Dec 18, 2011 at 11:25 am

    John - whose morals?

  • 7 - Igor

    Dec 18, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    Anarcissie,

    Thanks for mentioning Ginsberg. It's probably difficult for the typical modern American to understand how shocking and revolutionary "Howl" was in it's day.

    Clavos takes the opportunity to trot out the same old tired rightist talking points propaganda. One might well wonder when he will tire of sucking up to the Perfumed Princes he tries to sell overpriced boats to by constantly muttering words of encouragement and justification in their ears, or whatever part of the anatomy he is closest to at the moment.

  • 8 - Igor

    Dec 18, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    That last phrase should read "...whatever part of their anatomy his lips are closest to at the moment".

  • 9 - Glenn Contrarian

    Dec 18, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    It should be noted that people have been predicting the decline and fall of America for generations...and I guess now it's my turn. Time will tell if I'm right.

  • 10 - Clavos

    Dec 18, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    One might well wonder when he will tire of sucking up to the Perfumed Princes he tries to sell overpriced boats to...

    As long as they keep selling: never.

    That last phrase should read "...whatever part of their anatomy his lips are closest to at the moment".

    Usually their anuses, but sometimes their penises.

    Whatever it takes...

  • 11 - El Bicho

    Dec 18, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    "a growing immoral culture, and in the devolving of our religions."

    Right. Ever since the kids starting doing the jitterbug, it's been all downhill

  • 12 - Glenn Contrarian

    Dec 18, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    El B -

    No, our descent began when we began having the mindset that "if it's not an American idea, then it must not be good for America". I'd say it began in the 1950's in the afterglow of our victory in WWII, and cemented itself in our national psyche when we landed on the moon.

  • 13 - roger nowosielski

    Dec 18, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Shoot, I thought El Bicho was dead serious.

  • 14 - Clavos

    Dec 18, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    EB is never dead serious...

  • 15 - Glenn Contrarian

    Dec 18, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    Not when he's dead. Perhaps when he's alive, sometimes....

    And Roger - this article is partially because of your encouragement a few months ago. Thanks.

  • 16 - roger nowosielski

    Dec 18, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    I haven't read it yet, but now you perked my interest.

    That would be quite a step for you, Glenn. But it's no reason to be pessimistic. All Empires reach their zenith and then suffer a decline. I don't see why America should be an exception.

  • 17 - roger nowosielski

    Dec 18, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Gave it a quick read, Glenn. You really surprised me.

    But here's where I disagree with you. It's not the American people who have failed, it's our government and the rapacious economic system to which our government is beholden. We're still have the penchant for innovation, initiative and spirit, but it has to be channeled along different lines. IMO, capitalism is done with America, squeezed it dry, which is why business is no longer investing here. But we still have the best technology that money can buy, our greatest asset. But we better start making a move soon and stop being dependent on government dole.

    I posted a link on my OWS, the prospects, thread, showing how the idea of owners-workers enterprises is gaining momentum. Take a look at it. I find it very encouraging. That's one direction the people can take. But again, we can't be dependent on the government doing anything for us, because once we adopt this posture, we'll have lost all the edge.

  • 18 - Zingzing

    Dec 18, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    I work for three companies at the moment, one that is almost wholly dependent upon gov't money, and another two that have embraced multinational strategies, although based in the USA. Needless to say, the gov't sucking one is floundering, while the other two are thriving. being tied to the gov't in the middle of a recession is a bad situation, although in better economic times, it can be a boon. This company trains kids in vocational careers. Both of the other companies i work for have strong ties to Asia, one in Korea and India (a cosmetics company) and the other in Japan and china (a media company). Capitalism is not dead, although it's having its struggles right now.

  • 19 - Zingzing

    Dec 18, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Stupid iPad. Anyway. I don't quite know what my point is, but spreading the risk among various economies and not tying yourself to one gov't source of revenue seems to make things easier.

  • 20 - Igor

    Dec 18, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    17-Roger: I disagree with you on this point:

    "But again, we can't be dependent on the government doing anything for us, because once we adopt this posture, we'll have lost all the edge."

    But then you have surrendered the initiative to the banks and financiers who are ALWAYS and incessantly demanding attention. And they GET attention, from the generously bribed politicians and everyone they deal with.

    Your policy says "I'm finished." Maybe that's OK for you, but what about all the other people who will suffer because of your easy surrender.

  • 21 - Glenn Contrarian

    Dec 18, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    Roger -

    I don't think I'm being pessimistic - just objective. I see what I see...and I really don't think it's a direct result of our economic system or our government, for as you know, we've had significantly worse of each before in the 20th century.

    Our government and our economy doesn't force us to reject science, to reject what works very well in other nations, to reject any attempts at great achievements as a nation - unless it's war, that is.

    No, Roger, I'm referring to a sea change in our national psyche, and I believe that change started when we were on top of the world and America could do no wrong and everyone wanted to BE American. At one time it was very special to BE a Roman citizen, or to BE a Union Jack-waving citizen of the British Empire.

    As history shows us, all empires fall, and all our national hubris eventually becomes only an Ozymandian dream. Such is the march of history, and we are now beginning our decline.

    And from what I understand, Mandarin is easier to learn than is English.

  • 22 - roger nowosielski

    Dec 18, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    @20

    I'm suggesting precisely the opposite, Igor. Formation of co-ops, whether in manufacturing or finance, has precisely the effect of by-passing the business sector which is not going to deliver.

    Again, my argument is that the people are not helpless. We all have skills, it's just a matter of pulling together.

    Again, I'm making reference here to the link on the OWS thread -- which, to my mind, is setting an example.

  • 23 - roger nowosielski

    Dec 18, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    I'm not arguing, Glenn, that we're not in the period of national decline. That's rather plain to see. My concern is with the people.

    I suppose the connection between national prosperity and the people's prosperity has been more or less an illusion for quite some time.

    Do I make any sense?

  • 24 - roger nowosielski

    Dec 18, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Whatever the case, though, I think it's rather premature for Obama to claim he's one of finest presidents in American history:

    see clip.

  • 25 - zingzing

    Dec 18, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    kim jong il is dead. crazy.

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