Well, if we did not already have enough reasons to declare Iran to be a member of the "axis of evil" we now have two more:
Well, if we did not already have enough reasons to declare Iran to be a member of the "axis of evil" we now have two more:…
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— go to most recent comments26 - D'oh
Ruvy, my personal apologies, and my best wishes to you and yours. However your diatribe on this thread, and other places, about nuking people out of hand demonstrates that there just is no difference between extremist fundamentalists on either side of this conflict.
"an eye for and eye and a tooth for a tooth will eventually leave everyone blind and gumming their matzoh"
27 - Bliffle
BOP: wanta invade Iran? You and whose army?
28 - defender
you know ed, you are wrong as hell, somesay you are daydreaming, i suggest you listen to news more often i have more reliable sources that you can ever dream of having and there is no way and by that i say NO WAY that u.s. can invade iran so just shu t up. sanctions will do nothing to that strong country as it never did before. or have you forgotten the strong resistance of iranians in iraq war and not to mention that at that time they didn't have no government and the shah had just left and the world was supporting iraq with money and weapons and millitia. and who the hell says that iran doesn't have the right to build electricity? when they say it PEACEFUL then its peaceful and no one asked your opinion. got that kiddo? and by the way you ain't have no friends back at afghan or iraq.
29 - defender
you know what ruvy, FUCK YOU ruvy. go back to jerusalem.
30 - defender
Although the Iran-Iraq war of 1980"1988 was a war over dominance of the Persian Gulf region, the roots of the war go back many centuries. There has been rivalry between kingdoms of Mesopotamia (the Tigris-Euphrates valley, modern Iraq) and the rugged highlands to the East (modern Persia or Iran) since the beginning of recorded history in Sumer.
More precisely, the origins of the Iran-Iraq war of 1980"1988 go back to the question of sovereignty over the resource-rich province of Khuzestan. Khuzestan was home to the Elamite Empire, an independent, non-Semitic, and non-Indo-European-speaking kingdom, whose capital was Susa and the territory of which spanned almost exclusively in what is now Iran. Khuzestan has been attacked and occupied by various kingdoms of Mesopotamia (and vice versa) many times. Indeed, the dawn of recorded history opens with the earliest historical ruler who can be archaeologically attested, Enmebaragesi of Kish, subduing Elam (ca. 2650 BC), first of several Sumerian potentates to do so. Elam was finally able to return the favor in 2004 BC when they sacked the city of Ur for the first time, bringing the predominant 3rd dynasty of Ur to an end.
31 - defender
Before the Ottoman empire, Iraq was part of Persia ruled under the Aq Qoyunlu dynasty. The rising power of the Ottomans put an end to this when Murad IV annexed what is today Iraq from the weakening Safavids of Persia in 1638 via the Treaty of Zuhab. The border disputes between Persia and the Ottomans never ended, however. Between 1555 and 1918, Persia and the Ottoman empire signed no fewer than 18 treaties delineating their disputed borders. Modern Iraq was created with British involvement in the region and the final collapse of the Ottoman empire, thereby inheriting all the disputes with Persia.
On 18 December 1959, `Abd al-Karīm Qāsim, who had just taken control of Iraq by coup d'état, openly declared: "We do not wish to refer to the history of Arab tribes residing in Al-Ahwaz and Mohammareh [Khorramshahr]. The Ottomans handed over Mohammareh, which was part of Iraqi territory, to Iran." The Iraqi regime's dissatisfaction with Iran's possession of the oil-rich Khuzestan province was not limited to rhetorical statements; Iraq began supporting secessionist movements in Khuzestan, and even raised the issue of its territorial claims at the next meeting of the Arab League, without success. Iraq showed reluctance in fulfilling existing agreements with Iran " especially after the death of Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser and the rise of the Ba`ath Party, when Iraq decided to take on the role of "leader of the Arab world".
In 1969, the deputy prime minister of Iraq openly declared: "Iraq's dispute with Iran is in connection with Arabistan (Khuzestan) which is part of Iraq's soil and was annexed to Iran during foreign rule." Soon Iraqi radio stations began exclusively broadcasting into "Arabistan", encouraging Arabs living in Iran and even Balūchīs to revolt against the Shah of Iran's government. Basra TV stations even began showing Iran's Khuzestan province as part of Iraq's new province called Nasiriyyah, renaming all Iranian cities with Arabic names.
In 1971, Iraq broke diplomatic relations with Iran after claiming sovereignty rights over the islands of Abu Musa, Greater Tunb and Lesser Tunb in the Persian Gulf, following the withdrawal of the British. Iraq then expropriated the properties of 70,000 Iranians and expelled them from its territory, after complaining to the Arab League and the UN without success.
One of the factors contributing to hostility between the two powers was a dispute over full control of the Arvandrud/Shatt al-Arab waterway at the head of the Persian Gulf, an important channel for the oil exports of both countries. In 1975, United States Secretary of State Henry Kissinger had sanctioned Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi to attack Iraq over the waterway, then under Iraqi control; soon afterward, both nations signed the Algiers Accord, where Iraq made territorial concessions " including the waterway " in exchange for normalized relations.
Iraq had staged a battle against Iranian forces a year earlier in 1974, resulting in heavy casualties on both sides. Iran attempted to destabilize Iraq, and encouraged Kurdish nationalists to break up the country, in response to Iraq's similar activities in Iran's Khuzestan province.
However, the relationship between Iranian and Iraqi governments briefly improved in 1978, when Iranian agents in Iraq discovered a pro-Soviet coup d'etat against the Iraqi government. When informed of this plot, Saddam Hussein, who was Vice President at the time, ordered the execution of dozens of his army officers, and to return the favor, expelled Ruhollah Khomeini, an exiled leader of clerical opposition to the Shah, from Iraq.
Iran's embassy in London was subsequently attacked by Iraqi-sponsored terrorist forces a few months prior to the war in 1980, in what came to be known as the Iranian Embassy Siege.
Saddam Hussein was keenly interested in elevating Iraq to a strong regional power. A successful invasion of Iran would make Iraq the dominant power in the Persian Gulf region, and would strengthen its lucrative oil trade. Such lofty ambitions were not that far-fetched. Severe officer purges (including several executions ordered by Sadegh Khalkhali, the post-revolution sharia ruler), and spare parts shortages for Iran's American-made equipment, had crippled Iran's once mighty military. The bulk of the Iranian military was made up of poorly armed, though committed, militias. Iran had minimal defenses in the Arvand/Shatt al-`Arab river.
Saddam on numerous occasions alluded to the Islamic conquest of Iran in propagating his position against Iran. For example, on 2 April 1980, half a year before the outbreak of the war, in a visit by Saddam to al-Mustansiriyyah University in Baghdad, drawing parallels with the 7th century defeat of Persia in the Battle of al-Qādisiyyah, he announced:
"In your name, brothers, and on behalf of the Iraqis and Arabs everywhere we tell those [Persian] cowards and dwarfs who try to avenge Al-Qadisiyah that the spirit of Al-Qadisiyah as well as the blood and honor of the people of Al-Qadisiyah who carried the message on their spearheads are greater than their attempts."[3]
The aftermath of the Iranian Revolution of 1979 was central to the conflict. The Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini was threatening to export Islamic revolution to the rest of the Middle East " even though Iran was hardly in any position to do so militarily, for most of the Shah's army had already been disbanded. The Khomeinist camp despised Iraq's Ba`athist secularism in particular, and believed that the oppressed Shias in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait could follow the Iranian example and turn against their governments. At the same time, the revolution in Iran, the destabilization of the country, and its alienation from the West made it a tempting target to the expansionist Saddam Hussein. In particular he felt that Iranian Sunni citizens would rather join a powerful Sunni-led Iraq than remain in the Shia-dominated Iran.
Thus, Iraq started the war believing that Sunnis of Iran would join the opposing forces. It seems that Saddam had not fully appreciated the power of nationalism over historically clan-centered differences, nor the power of the central state apparatus that controlled the press. Although some of the ethnic Arabs of Khuzestan collaborated with Iraqis, most of the Sunnis of Iran turned against the Iraqi forces.
The UN Secretary General report dated 9 December 1991 (S/23273) explicitly cites "Iraq's aggression against Iran" in starting the war and breaching International security and peace.[4]
32 - defender
you know what ruvy , iran is the one of the strong countries ever and they will fuck you and your israel up .
33 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
In the meantime, Defender, Israeli units operate in Iraq and in Iran. The suicidal fools running the show on government hill can embrace a suicidal foreign policy, hitching their wagon to America. But they will fall.
A more intelligent solution will be to nuke Teheran and Riyadh, and to destroy the oil wealth with which the rich in both countries (as well as the super-rich in the States) oppress us all. I'll take the trouble to read and absorb the history you have laid out in your comment #31 and use it to advantage. Thank you.
I leave you with a statement to consider well:
Those who bless Israel will be blessed; those who curse her will be cursed. Read and remember.
34 - Bird of Paradise
Defender, Why does Iran have such a hate for Israel? And why do you have such a hatred for Ruvy?
35 - Bird of Paradise
defender, by the way, your history lesson was very interesting and helpful. It appears to be consistant with what I have read and experienced of this history myself. The f**k you comments, however, disqualify you as a tasteful or reputable commentor on this thread.
36 - tbone (louisville)
Or shall i say people of christian faith.Pray,yes does change thing's. But WE have sinned a great sin in the lords eye's. and we will be punnished.for those that think war will resolve the problem ,well it wont...,hate is a strong word but not used by 'GOD' love thy enimies,turn the cheeck.there are lots of way to deal with evil.I say it's too late.the book of revalation is upon us and no one want's to beleive it's happening,for along time we have been getting punished for the wrong that we do,and still are,Pray and keep Praying. Just maybe god would forgive us and lead use to the path of rightousness. are were all going too eternail ebomonation.politaly can'tchange Laws of the land but in my heart i can!!!!!!
37 - Bird of Paradise
tbone:
You are right in saying that a Christian should love the things that God loves. But a Christian should also hate the things that God helps.
Here is a sampler from scripture:
"I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel." Malachi 2:16
"I hate a man's covering himself with violence as well as with his garment," says the LORD Almighty." Malachi 2:16
" . . .they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates." Deuteronomy 12:31
" . . . do not erect a sacred stone, for these the LORD your God hates." Deuteronomy 16:22
"The LORD examines the righteous, but the wicked and those who love violence his soul hates." Psalm 11:5
"Let those who love the LORD hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones and delivers them from the hand of the wicked." Psalm 97:10
"There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers." Proverbs6:15-19
"To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech." Proverbs 8:13
"For I, the LORD, love justice; I hate robbery and iniquity." Isaiah 61:8
" . . . therefore as surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I will give you over to bloodshed and it will pursue you. Since you did not hate bloodshed, bloodshed will pursue you." Ezekiel 35:6
"Hate evil, love good; maintain justice in the courts. Perhaps the LORD God Almighty will have mercy . . ." Amos 5:15
"These are the things you are to do: Speak the truth to each other, and render true and sound judgment in your courts; do not plot evil against your neighbor, and do not love to swear falsely. I hate all this," declares the LORD." Zechariah 8:16-17
38 - Dave Nalle
Reading Defender's history of Iraq-Iran relationships I don't reach quite the same conclusion he does. It seems to me that while he concludes that Iraq has been the aggreessor, it's more the case that Iran and Iraq have both had it in for each other, locked in a mindless death dance for decades.
Dave
39 - defender
bird of paradise, the reason that iranians or i better say , muslims have hatred for isrealys is because long time ago, when they bought the lands and made up their own country,during the world war II they collected weapons and attacked the defenseless innocent unarmed people of the region to take the lands from them. that angers iran. i don't have problems with all jews, neither does iran, the conflict is about the government and the soldiers. so i don't really like isareal.
40 - defender
Jews living in the Diaspora have sought to emigrate into Israel throughout the centuries. For example, in 1141 Yehuda Halevi issued a call to the Jews to emigrate to Eretz Israel and eventually died in Jerusalem. In 1267, Nahmanides settled in Jerusalem and since then a continual Jewish presence in Jerusalem has been maintained. Yosef Karo immigrated to the large Jewish community in Safed in 1535. Waves of immigration also occurred, for example in the years 1209-1211, the "aliyah of the Rabbis of France and England" to Acre became famous as in 1258 and 1266. In 1260, Yechiel of Paris emigrated to Acre along with his son and a large group of followers. Small waves of immigration occurred during the 18th century out of religious motives, famously Menachem Mendel of Vitebsk and 300 of his followers, Judah he-Hasid and over 1000 disciples, and over five hundred disciples (and their families) of the Vilna Gaon known as Perushim. Waves of rabbinical students immigrated in 1808-1809, settling in Tiberias, Safed and then in Jerusalem.[9]
In 1860, the old Jewish community in Jerusalem started building neighborhoods outside the walls of the Old City (the first one being Mishkenot Sha’ananim). In 1878, the first modern agricultural settlement was founded in the form of Petah Tikva.
The first big wave of modern immigration to Israel, or Aliyah (עלייה) started in 1881 as Jews fled growing persecution, or followed the Socialist Zionist ideas of Moses Hess and others of "redemption of the soil." Jews bought land from Ottoman and individual Arab landholders. After Jews established agricultural settlements, tensions erupted[citation needed] between the Jews and Arabs.
Theodor Herzl (1860"1904), an Austro-Hungarian Jew, founded the Zionist movement. In 1896, he published Der Judenstaat (The Jewish State), in which he called for the establishment of a national Jewish state. The following year he helped convene the first World Zionist Congress.
The establishment of Zionism led to the Second Aliyah (1904"1914) with the influx of around forty thousand Jews. In 1917, the British Foreign Secretary Arthur J. Balfour issued the Balfour Declaration that "view[ed] with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people." In 1920, Palestine became a League of Nations mandate administered by Britain.
Jewish immigration resumed in third (1919"1923) and fourth (1924"1929) waves after World War I. In a massacre of Jews by Arabs in 1929 133 Jews, including 67 in Hebron were killed. In total, 133 Jews and 116 Arabs were killed in the riots.
41 - defender
dear dave, i advise you to seek and find and then read the story of the war of iran and iraq and then judge.(from a trustworthy source)
iraq attacked iran becuase they wanted the biggest oil refinery of iran in the city of khuzestan, they attacked with no reason or excuse. but this is not what we're discussing, what i'm trying to say is that isaraely's don't have respect for other people rights and they do not understand human beings and their legal rights,they just break into someone's homeland and .... i still didn't have MUCH against israely,s untill last summer, and by not much i mean not so much that it tempts me to do something serious about it although i heard the killing of poor palestinians everyday. but when they attacked the leobnan, well they crossed the line a long time ago but that is something else. hey ruvy tell me something. what was the reason to kill 168 unarmed and innocent women and children of palestine 1 month ago? what was the reason to attack the mosques, the holy place of the many millions of muslims around the world and killing the people praying in it?if thats the path that the jews and the israel made then iran knows how to deal with it and he will make sure that israel either chooses it's path or destroys it and wipe israel off the map. (refer to the ali larijani, the defense spokes man of iran's reply about destroying israel.)
42 - defender
The rise of Nazism in 1933 led to a fifth wave of Aliyah. The Jews in the region increased from 11% of the population in 1922 to 30% by 1940.[citation needed] 28% of the land was already bought and owned by Zionist organizations plus additional private land owned by Jews.[citation needed] The southern half of the country is the barren and mostly empty Negev desert. The subsequent Holocaust in Europe led to additional immigration from other parts of Europe. By the end of World War II, the number of Jews in Palestine was approximately 600,000.
In 1939, the British introduced a White Paper of 1939, which limited Jewish immigration over the course of the war to 75,000 and restricted purchase of land by Jews, perhaps in response to the 1936-1939 Arab revolt in Palestine. The White Paper was seen as a betrayal by the Jewish community and Zionists, who perceived it as being in conflict with the Balfour Declaration. The Arabs were not entirely satisfied either, as they wanted Jewish immigration halted completely. However, the White Paper guided British policy until the end of the term of their Mandate. As a result, many Jews fleeing to Palestine to avoid Nazi persecution and the Holocaust were intercepted and returned to Europe. Two specific examples of this policy involved the ships Struma and Exodus (carrying Holocaust survivors in 1947).[10]
Attempts by Jews to circumvent the blockade and flee Europe became known as Aliya Beth.
See also: Jewish refugees and 1922 Text: League of Nations Palestine Mandate
Jewish Underground groups
Main article: British Mandate of Palestine
As tensions grew between the Jewish and Arab populations and Arab attacks on Jews increased, and with little apparent support from the British mandate authorities, the Jewish community began to rely on itself for defense.
43 - defender
Many Arabs, opposed to the Balfour Declaration, the mandate, and the Jewish National Home, instigated riots and pogroms against Jews in Jerusalem, Hebron, Jaffa, and Haifa. As a result of the 1921 Arab attacks, the Haganah was formed to protect Jewish settlements. The Haganah was mostly defensive in nature, which among other things caused several members to split off and form the militant group Irgun (initially known as Hagana Bet) in 1931. The Irgun adhered to a much more active approach, which included attacks and initiation of armed actions against the British, such as attacking British military headquarters, the King David Hotel, which killed 91 people. Haganah, on the other hand, often preferred restraint. A further split occurred when Avraham Stern left the Irgun to form Lehi, (also known as the Stern Gang) which was much more extreme in its methods. Unlike the Irgun, they refused any co-operation with the British during World War II and even attempted to work with the Nazis to secure European Jewry's emigration to Palestine.
These groups had an enormous impact on events and procedures in the period preceding the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, such as Aliya Beth (the clandestine immigration from Europe), the forming of the Israel Defense Forces, and the withdrawal of the British, as well as to a great degree forming the foundation of the political parties which exist in Israel today.
44 - defender
Main article: Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel
In 1947, following increasing levels of violence from groups such as Irgun and Lehi in response to Arab attacks, uncontrollable immigration from Europe and general war-weariness, the British government decided to withdraw from the Palestine Mandate.[11] The UN General Assembly approved the 1947 UN Partition Plan dividing the territory into two states, with the Jewish area consisting of roughly 55% of the land, and the Arab area roughly 45%. Jerusalem was planned to be an international region administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its status.
Immediately following the adoption of the Partition Plan by the UN General Assembly on November 29, 1947, David Ben-Gurion tentatively accepted the partition, while the Arab League rejected it. The Arab Higher Committee immediately ordered a violent three-day strike on Jewish civilians, attacking buildings, shops, and neighborhoods, and prompting counter-attacks organized by underground Jewish militias like the Lehi and Irgun. These attacks soon turned into widespread fighting between Arabs and Jews, this civil war being the first "phase" of the 1948 War of Independence.[12]
The State of Israel was proclaimed on May 14, 1948, one day before the expiry of the Palestine Mandate. Israel was admitted as a member of the United Nations on May 11, 1949.
45 - defender
Main article: 1948 Arab-Israeli War
See also: Jewish exodus from Arab lands, Palestinian exodus, and Arab-Israeli conflict
Following the State of Israel's establishment, the armies of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Iraq declared war on Israel and began the second phase of the 1948 Arab " Israeli War. From the north, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq were all but stopped relatively close to the borders. Jordanian forces, invading from the east, captured East Jerusalem and laid siege on the city's west. However, forces of the Haganah successfully stopped most invading forces, and Irgun forces halted Egyptian encroachment from the south. At the beginning of June, the UN declared a one-month ceasefire during which the Israel Defense Forces were officially formed. After numerous months of war, a ceasefire was declared in 1949 and temporary borders, known as the Green Line, were instituted. Israel had gained an additional 26% of the Mandate territory west of the Jordan River. Jordan, for its part, held the large mountainous areas of Judea and Samaria, which became known as the West Bank. Egypt took control of a small strip of land along the coast, which became known as the Gaza Strip.
During and after the war, then Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion set about establishing order by dismantling the Palmach and underground organizations like the Irgun and Lehi. Those two groups were classified as terror organizations after the murder of Folke Bernadotte, a Swedish diplomat.
Large numbers of the Arab population fled the newly-created Jewish State during the Palestinian exodus, which is referred to by many Palestinian groups and individuals as the Nakba (Arabic: النكبة), meaning "disaster" or "cataclysm". Some Israeli historians suggest that the Palestinians fled because of orders from Arab generals. Many Palestinians left under the belief that the Arab armies would prevail and they would return.[13] Moreover, "Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel" were offered "full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions" in the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel; many, however, refused.
Estimates of the final refugee count range from 400,000 to 900,000 with the official United Nations count at 711,000.[14] The continuing conflict between Israel and the Arab world resulted in a lasting displacement that persists to this day, due to the fact that no Arab country absorbed the refugees nor did Israel wish to allow back into itself a potentially hostile population.
Immigration of Holocaust survivors and Jewish refugees from Arab lands doubled Israel's population within a year of independence. Over the following years approximately 850,000 Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews fled or were expelled from surrounding Arab countries and Iran. Of these, about 600,000 settled in Israel; the remainder went to Europe and the Americas (see Jewish exodus from Arab lands).
1950s and 1960s
46 - troll
(defender - did you cite the source from which you are cutting and pasting somewhere - ? it's pretty concise and I'd like to read more)
47 - A Concerned Citizen
Those who bless Israel will be blessed; those who curse her will be cursed
Yea. Ruvy, how is Israel different than any other country? Give me a break. What you mean is: "Anyone who blesses anyone else will be blessed; those who curse anyone else will be cursed".
48 - Bliffle
Uh, Ruvy: "A more intelligent solution will be to nuke Teheran and Riyadh, ..." doesn't seem to fit my notion of 'intelligent'. Sorry.
49 - defender
ruvy know that a violent response might work in the short term, but in the long term makes the situation even worse than before, as a violent response is all too likely to draw a reaction that is also violent.
50 - Richard Dean
You all speak about islam like it's a religion.
Guess what? It's another damn cult!
51 - defender
excuse me richard??? islam is aculture and not a religion?? what's the next thing you gonna tell me ? wait don't let me guess ..... oh perhaps moon is blue and the scientists were proved wrong.. a culture!! you know what you said it doesn't even make me angry it makes me laugh, name one thing that iranians have in common with arabs? and what about those indians who are muslim?? oh and they must've changed their culture and CHOOSE another one. so why do all those muslims jump up and down 5 times a day?, for thier cultures? so the indians, persians, chinese , americans , arabs and other nation muslims are only doing their CULTURAL DUTIES and .... oh for jesus christ THINK BEFORE YOU TALK richard , for god's sake. don't just make an absolute fool of yourself with your first comment. it ain't woth it.
52 - holistic from under the equator
I agree with Richard, Islam is another culture and not a religion. I wonder why a so-called religion would instruct its folowers to kill all non muslims at whatever costs. I don't have much knowledge of the book (holy book as it is said) Iran thinks it has arrived but i want to let it know that it still has a long way to go competing or warring with america. If it dares, utter destruction will be the end result. More sactions are coming and its fuel (crude oil) will be nothing but a mess which no one is willing to buy. Take it or leave it, Israel cannot be destroyed by any means. Forget about nuclear weapons or any WMDs, the destruction of Israel is not on this planet earth. Have u ever reasoned why America suppports israel? Why did England in those days? What was the end result of England when it rejected Israel? The truth is Israel will always find refuge or solace in any place at any time. When this is no more possible, then JESUS will give them solace. I am not being sentimental or being religion biased, but that is the whole truth.
Long live Israel! Long live America! Long Live England! Long Live Germany! Short Live Iran and its allied torrorists.
53 - Dave Nalle
Based on the format, I believe that Defender is just cutting and pasting from Wikipedia and I wish he'd stop. On the other hand his original writing is completely incomprehensible, so it's a lose-lose kind of deal.
Dave
54 - defender
islam does not instruct followers to kill non muslims at all costs, if you don't know anything about islam or not sure of it then just shut your ass up and sit back, you know you are a sick man with a bunch of sick blieves and arguing and trying to aknowleddge will not do any good unless you go and do some raserch before opening your big ol ass mouth and commenting about it, i'll just leave you with a note or i beter say a bet, as long as china, syra, and russia are cooperating with iran israel can suck my dick and fuck her mother, and i let you know the day that israel get's wiped off the map and iran will win the war that is going to start soon and u don't know about it but i do. and to you dave i did not copy paste those articles from winkipedia, I AM THE AUTHOR WHO SENT TTHE REPORT TO THE WINKIPEDIA AT the first place you idiot, you shoud have looked carefully and you see the article and the author.
55 - defender
and by the way i meant wikipedia * by winki[pedia ( i got really mad at holistic from under the equator, comment # 52 and i just typed too fast.)
56 - defender
i didn't know how stupid you could be dave, i did the reaserch and i sent it over to wikipedia, i have numeros rewards for that reaserch. i am a 41 year old man and i know alot more than your age and i'm way ahead of you kids, i get the credit for the reasearch and i have the right to use it whereever i want and whenever i wish while you kids just learn a word "wikipedia" and you think your god and kbnow everything. i'm outta here. this is just a waste of time.i have no respect for you guys.
57 - Dave Nalle
Defender, I'm older than you are - my age being one of many things you don't know about me - and it seems unlikely to me that the same person who wrote comment #56 wrote those Wikipedia entries. You may have provided some of the research - that's certainly possible - but you sure didn't put it in its final form. I'm sure that whatever you provided got pretty massively edited since I doubt your version would have met wikipedia's standards on neutrality, what with you being a virulent anti-semite and all.
Dave
58 - Kiumars
How can you people fabricate lies like this? Don’t you think this information is readily available on the internet? These people were invited by Iraq and Iraq’s president has been complaining about the Americans detaining them! Keep lying, you only show your true colour, people are not stupid.
59 - ARASH
Persia Rules,
i am persian and it is sad to read what goes on here,
first we need to differenciate between zionist and jews,
the persians have been the strongest protectors of the jewish culture,
in the jewish holy book its been said many times that the iranians protected and sheltered the jewish people,
the very fact that the president of ISRAEL is a iranian jew should be the proof,
jews culture has taken lots of its tradition from the persians and the great persian kings like DARYUSH and KOROSH have protected the jewish ppl many times,
all one needs to do is to read the history to see who were the real killers of innocent jewish ppl.
isnt that amazing that every european country has killed jewish ppl,the only european country that has not massacare the jewish is denmark,
unfortunatly the zionist media that has taken full control of media in the west along with the jewish lobbys are trying very hard to creat more destruction and more wars in the middle east and so the new propoganda of war,
persians have always protected the jewish culture and a short 10 minutes study in the history of the jewish ppl will prove that,
as i said before the fact that the president of israel is a iranian does say the fact,
ahmadinejad does not speak for iran or for the persians,
no true persian would want to see any harm done or brought upon anyone just cos they are from diff religion,
we say NO to the idiot ahmadinejad but also no to the zionist criminals that want to see more blood in the middle east
scott ritters book on zionist manipulation of the facts to start another war is very interesting to read,
lets hope of the day when we all dance and drink together away from dirty politics,war and misery,
60 - Persia
NO strong ISRAEL can exist without a strong IRAN and no strong IRAN can exist without a stong ISRAEL.
in the time of shah iran and israel had the best relation in the area,
ARABS have always considered persian and jews there biggest enemy,
the fact the thousands of iranians were killed bombed tortured and rapped by the arabs and the fact that they have always decleard war against the persians must unite the persian and jews to stand together against ARAB agression.
shame and more shame that the freak called ahmadinejad is runing our beautiful persia,
persia will be back in the hands of persian again and will stand united with israel against arab agression.
61 - durian
to arabs and jews why do you have to fight.you are all descended from abraham. and believe in the same GOD.
62 - MAOZ
Well, it may be true that no strong Iran can exist without a strong Israel, but all that's needed for a strong Israel to exist is for G^d to so desire. And THAT is primarily dependent on how well we -- 'Am Israel, the Jewish People -- live up to our obligations to Him.
And Dave, I agree with you: I seriously doubt that the author of comments #29, 32, 39, and 56 is also the final-draft author of the WINKIPEDIA cut-and-pastes. (BTW, notice how the long-winded cut-and-pastes cut the legs out from under his assertions in #39? Could there be 2 different posters here, both going by the monicker "defender"?)
63 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
I have a question here that has nothing to do with the topic. I see that in comment #45, "defender" was able to get the comment medium to pick up and display Arabic (النكب- naqba). Is it possible to get this comment medium to display Hebrew or Greek text as well?
Chris, any ideas or thoughts. Defender, what method did you use to get this comment medium to display Arabic?
64 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Defender, and others.
Islam is a religion, just as is Judaism. But there is a Moslem culture, or rather several Moslem cultures, just as there is are Jewish, Christian and Hindu cultures that go beyond the boundaries of the religious precepts espoused.
Like many other religions, Islam has a number of streams. I know a little about the Shia stream, but a little more about the Sunni stream. What I do know best is that the Wahhabi "stream" was kicked out by the Khalifs centuries ago, and it has attempted to conquer Islam for over two centuries. The other thing I know well is that the western imperialists made their alliance with the Wahhabis - and it was the biggest mistake they could have made, aside from sending Lenin to the Finland station in 1917. Both acts have cost millions and millions of lives, and if the Wahhabi stream is not destroyed soon, millions more will die in war.
As for Zionism, it is largely a secular movement within Judaism that is rapidly running out of steam. It has accomplished almost all it set out to do (bringing millions of Jews home to Israel and making Israel the central place in Judaism, instead of New York) and now it is destroying itself. But the Jewish entity here will not be destroyed, only transformed.
Concerned Citizen: Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. That is what I said, and that is what I meant. PERIOD.
Finally, I do not like the idea of recommending the destruction of Teheran. But the bottom line is that at this point, the regime ruling there is devoted to the erasure and the destruction of this country and the people living in it. The positives of the Persian empire in the behavior of Khoresh and Daryush are ancient history.
Two solutions present themselves: one is lying down and allowing our enemies to kill us - and the Iranian Islamic Republic is one of our enemies that has already tried to kill us via its puppets in Lebanon, HizbAllah. The other is to destroy our enemy in Teheran and make sure that never again does Persia present a threat to the Semitic peoples of west Asia, Jews and Arabs.
65 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
BTW, just for everybody reading, I have asserted before that it does not matter w3hich regime rules in Iran; it will want nuclear weapons as a matter of national pride. You've seen in the comments above a measure of that national pride asserting itself, regardless of the particular orientations of the Iranians writing...
66 - ראובן בירושלים
I thought I would give this a try, since everybody is jumping to answer me...
עברית קלה
67 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
It works! The comment medium carries Hebrew!
68 - defender, (last comment)
i agree with arash and kiumars # 58 and 59.Edmund Roche #1,Arch Conservative #2,RedTard #5,Eaken # 16, Bliffle # 27 and 48.A Concerned Citizen # 47 amd 48. and some other comments that provide and suggest peace instead of a non-solution endless war, if you agree with me let me know.and BTW dave ,trust me i know my report hasn't been changed abit. it's the same draft that i published.
69 - Eaken
Ruvy,
You are the fool up until and only until the point where you invent a nuclear bomb that can target only Arabs who were educated in Wahabi Madrassas.
You are no better than those you want to Nuke. Good Riddance to your thoughts and decayed soul.
70 - Dave Nalle
Defender, that article has been edited thousands of times. Let me guess - your Wikipedia login is 'PalestineRemembered' - an active participant in the 'Israel' entry who was banned from editing it any further because of bias.
Dave
71 - Cyrus the Great
Ruvy it is not a matter of national pride. But, it is a matter of national survival. Comments of people like you, prove it more than ever that Iran needs nuclear detrrance.
72 - Cyrus the Great
By the way Ruvy, are you sure a few of those Shahab-3, Shahab-3s or long range X-55 cruise missiles are not tipped with nuclear war heads? Iran has a sattelite in the orbit, using it as early warning system. With the first evidence of a massive Israeli attack,then you know what. I advice you to look at debka web site and read about Iran's last military exercise and what Uzi Rubin said.
73 - George III
Putting more sanctions on Iran is like taking a Homeless person's home away? It makes no sense, Iran has been under United States sanctions for 28 years, Now OK the ones you talk about are world sanctions, Bullshit, they cen get everything through the Black Market, plus their neighbors don't want to lose their business with Iran either, Take UAE for example, It's the re-export destination for Billons of dollars worth of goods to Iran. At a time when America needs all the help it can get to get out of this Iraq shit, sanctionning Iran will only cause more trouble, I mean they are already beggining to cause enough trouble in Iraq just imagine what they'll do when the sanctions get serious! Patriotic Idiots.
74 - Cyrus the Great
Bird of Paradise, there is a war in the middle east. But, nobody is innocent. American/Israeli interference in Iran's Kurdestan province has been started since 1979. Even before Iran start meddling in southern Lebonon.
More than 45 Radio and TV channels are broadcasting toward Arab minority in Iran's Khuzestan province. Stimuulating them for riots and independence. Almost, all of them are coming from Canada, England, USA and Iraq.
American/Israeli stimulating Sistan-Baluchestan province in southern Iran. Also, stimulating Azerbijan in north.
They try brainwash all these ethnic minorities against Persians (called Fars by Iranians).
Passing oil pipelines through Iran by the former soviet republics were blocked. Gas pipeling to India was blocked. You named it against Iran, they did it.
They threaten Iran with military invasion, sometimes daily. Maniacs like Ruvy in Israel even threaten nuclear attack.
You don't understand these are all what Iranian regime wants to hear. It is like getting energy from these. We, the Iranian people, are and will suffering from these sanctions, interferences and possible military invasions AND we will not forget.
75 - Christopher Rose
Ruvy, as far as I know, what characters a computer will display is dependent on the fonts installed. Pleased as I am for you, please do remember that this is an English language site...