I know the American public has always displayed short-term memory but it was only ten months ago when fame and money hungry movie director Michael Moore unveiled his attempt to steer the election away from President Bush. And yes it was an attempt, a strong attempt but alas, a failed attempt. The problem was that his promotion of the film was based on weak liberal media propaganda that hoped to spread the word that Bush was losing the election, the majority of American people demanded change and the majority of the American public wanted George Bush out and John Kerry in.…
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26 - ayana
Richard,
And spreading democracy in the Middle East stops terrorist how? What are they going to do, yell "put down that bomb, my finger's purple"? Do you know what caused the 9/11 attacks? Interference. We trepassed on sacred holy ground during the Gulf War. If interference caused 9/11, how does interference stop further attacks? How does going after Saddam and his regime stop the entire Al-Qaeda network? What is the Iraqi government going to threat them with, the death penalty? Go right ahead, they'll be beaming in their prison cells thinking of all the virgins soon to come while more terrorist are being trained. All they have to do for recruitment is use our arrognant moral superiority as rationale.
And Richard, evacuating the Brooklyn Bridge is a hella out a lot difference from 1500 soldiers losing their lives while chasing fathom weapons? Changing the rationale from imminent threat to spreading democracy sounds reasonable for kool-aid sippers. If memory service me correct, nobody gave a d*mn about liberating Iraq when we first went in because Faux News was too busy repeatedly showing images of Iraqis dancing in the street after our attacks. This sentiment for the Iraqi people is a little false to me.
27 - Richard Porter
Ayana
Try to be reasonable and realize that by offering a chance of freedom and democracy in Iraq theoretically stops future terrorists from breeding. So again, stop being so naive.
Now you say that anyone could have beaten Kerry, so who did you vote for? So you threw away your vote on someone you knew had zero chance of winning?
Finally, whether it be WMD in Iraq, the Brooklyn Bridge or the Moon, the President has to believe in his intelligence. Do you feel comfortable if he "cherry picked" what intelligence to act one and what intelligence to ignore?
28 - Dave Nalle
Richard, there's clearly not much point in talking to Ayana. She seems to think that democracy is a bad thing and that we deserved to be attacked on 9/11 for 'treading on holy ground'. Those aren't the beliefs of a rational person - you're wasting your time.
Dave
29 - ayana
Thank you for speaking for me Dave and putting words in my mouth. I can't complain, at least you didn't resort to the tasteless Republican tactics of attacking me because we disagree. Or perhaps you're saving the "devil worshipping" comments for later. Since there's "not much point" talking to me, PLEASE do not feel obligated to do so. Or perhaps you can find a more comfortable forum where everyone agrees with you.
Thanks
P.S. Impeccable debating skills, by the way.....
30 - Dave Nalle
Ayana, I quoted you, I didn't put words in your mouth. Based on your last post you're an irrational ideologue and my advice to Richard not to waste time talking to you was entirely sound.
There's no point in engaging you in any kind of debate when the basis for your entire view of the subject is untennable. It's not that we disagree, it's that you are totally out of touch with reality so there's no common ground on which to even start disagreeing.
Dave
31 - Eckraizeasoliopois
A God that punishes, is in contention with what is actually written in the New Covenant.
God does not take us to the wood shed. He may have in the old testament, but the New Testament differs, and speaks to that difference many times.
If you did a bit of study in NT sciptures, the writings would reveal that
"it is Satan who seeks, kills and destroys"
So much for your "religious thought"
Speak religion, only if you know religion.
By the way.... Religion is not faith, nor is it belief. It's a practice, there is a difference.
Ayana, the day you are directly affected by terriosm, is the day you will change your mind.
Personnally, I thought going extreme isolationist, included removal of those of Arab extraction would have been a better course of action. But it's not the American way is it?
Put the WMD's behind you, they aren't in Iraq, perhaps Syria, or Iran.... maybe we'll get lucky and see a few over here. Or, perhaps Israel with have an extreme event. I would guess that they'll be showing up, whenever the pressure is off. Right now the terroists are hunkered down, and are saying they're prayers. Because as we all know.
There are no atheists in foxholes. But you knew that.
32 - Bill
Ayana,
Did I read is correctly when you stated
"If a president can keep us in good standings with the rest of the globe (which is why we're a powerhouse) and give us a record high surplus, I'll be his personal Heidi Fleiss"
Well, I did keep a good global standing... and, well I was wondering if you would consider posting a picture somewhere, where I could view it?
Do you have any cardiac theropy certifications?
WJC
33 - ayana
I never mentioned my faith so I'm not exactly sure why this became a discussion. Also, I was directly affected by terrorism. I watched both towers collapse knowing that my best friend and uncle probably didn't escape. They didn't.
34 - ayana
Bill,
A good "pimp" never reveals her true identity. LOL
35 - ayana
Right Dave,
I made all that up huh? The intelligence failures, Bin Laden's assertation to why we were attacked. Did I make up the national debt, health care, and proverty issue as well? We disagree Dave, there's no need to encourage Richard not to debate with me because YOU don't agree with what I say. We were having a civilized debate expressing our views. Perhaps you would have felt better if Richard expressed what a waste of time I was. And I'm sorry that I'm not repeating Sean Hannity's talking points or sound just like every Republican in this country.
36 - Eckraiziopolis
Ayana,
I never said you had any faith. But you did talk about religion, while, perhaps being devoid of that.
I can not understand how atheists can enter into discussions of faith, when they have none... but their religion is non-belief.... hmmm, do they believe in non-belief... perhaps I will go back to my study and ponder...
I guess you can have religion (the religion of not believing), and you can have belief, in not believing... but you can't have faith in God if you don't believe, and religion might be a cover up for something other than what is really is... hmmm.
If you wish to talk about God, don't, unless you have God in your heart... it's pointless to do otherwise. Seek the paraclete, receive the endument and then you will have reference.
37 - WTF
"I watched both towers collapse knowing that my best friend and uncle probably didn't escape. They didn't."
Prove it.... for all we know it's an urban legend, a story or ruse, to give you some kind of internet validity.
If you are unable or unwilling to proved it (however), leave it out of the discussion.
38 - PeaceLoveWoodstock
Hmmmm.. You all are mean spirited. Except for the Zen master up there.... the paraclete, good use of the Greek, my man.
My cousin was workin at the WTC in '93 (was it?) when the bombing occurred.
Keith was no fool, he wised up and got a job someplace else... good move. He's alive today because of it.
Does that mean that everyone who worked at the WTC were dumb? Because of the 93 (or was it '91) bombing?
Or, were they capitalist pigs, who only cared about screwing the poor and making lots of money and starring in hollywood movies and singing in depraved rock bands, and selling their products worldwide to take over the world... ahhhh....Jihad... Jihad, let us keel the blue eyed satan and make offspring with their women and haveour way with their young boys so we will not fornucate and recieve the damnation....
Is that terrorist mentality? Now there's somebody who has no business owning firearms.... may be, that is why I might go get some firearms, in case they take over the WORLD.....(_|_) MOON SHOT Anaya!!!! and it ain't your plumber neighbor from NYC either!
39 - General Mills
I don't agree with a strategic defensive posture....
I believe in a strategic offensive posterior!
..... (_|_)... Gotcha' again Aynan (how the f&#^ do you spell your name again?)....
Peaches
40 - Dave Nalle
>>I made all that up huh? The intelligence failures, Bin Laden's assertation to why we were attacked. Did I make up the national debt, health care, and proverty issue as well?<<
Not one of these things was mentioned in the earlier discussion. I can't comment on your intentions, only on what you actually write.
Dave
41 - Richard Porter
Dave
Thanks for the tip, I'll keep in mind for future use. I get sucked into these rants until I do not even remember what the argument was.
42 - Ryan Eashoo
Michael Moore is a hero.. Wether ur a lefty or a righty he is a awesome guy!
43 - Kevin McKague
You said:
Michael Moore has always seemed to come off as an arrogant and pompous opportunist and still does as I eagerly await (not really) his latest crock-umentary in 2007, Fahrenheit 9/11 ½ (and before you think I am crazy, this is not a joke). Moore is going to the well yet again to raid the American public’s pockets for more American cash. Since of course he loves to hate this country so much it only seems fair and reasonable that he attempts to go back to the scene of his crime and rob your piggybanks.
I SAY:
Michael Moore has shown he is a leader, and he is speaking out. He is doing what every American should do.
Also, I think Ryan Eashoo is right, he is a hero.
44 - -E
Yuck, I cannot stand Michael Moore. I refuse to watch his films. His tactics border on harassment and stalking. He has nothing to do with why I didn't vote for Bush.
45 - nick
michael moore is a hero
46 - RC
Just for your info. Moore actually pushed the release date of the movie before the election, so people could see this film to make a choice before voting. He even had to give up an academy award nomination to do this just for the election.
47 - billy
“grave robber” by making money off of the deceased victims from this most horrible attack on our American soil
The only "grave robber" is bush, politicizing 9-11 for political gain and being on vacation and out of it, thereby allowing us to be attacked in the first place on 9-11.
at least bill clinton stopped all attacks by al qaeda even though he was ridiculed by the "no blood for monica" troop hating republicans when he tried to kill osama.