A translation tool to uncover what the Tea Party, religious conservatives and politicos are really saying
The "angry" Tea Party movement has recently gained a lot of undeserved strength, ironically because the alleged “liberal” media has paid so much attention to it. In my opinion, the “Tea Baggers” and Sarah Palin aren’t really a separate autonomous movement, but actually GOP rejects that have been “disavowed” by the Republican Party for being an embarrassment to them. The official party uses them to express unpopular views and to take stands that are in line with most GOP supporters, but the tea baggers can loudly and frequently express them separately so that the Republican Party can assert that they don’t really “represent” the party’s “official” opinions, all the while hiding in the safety of knowing that the movement in general will support all GOP candidates and issues.…
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— go to most recent comments26 - Ruvy
By the way, Jet. You are not the only guy who can put out an 8 page piece on the tea partyers. I set this link up for you so you could see it as a single page (hint, hint, Phil Wynn).
27 - Ruvy
And Jet, do tell me more about that digg link that lets you see how many people read your articles.... That is something of real interest to me. Give me a holler on e-mail, if you would.
TIA
28 - Jet Gardner
Expect an e-mail shortly, it's part of the Adsense set up everyone was giving me hell on the yahoo forum about.
Let me know if you need instructions and I'll send them along.
29 - Jeff Forsythe
Jet would you post a link to the athlete article you mentioned? I cannot find it and it sounds interesting
regards
Mr. Forsythe
30 - Jet Gardner
Certainly Jeff,
Volume one is published in Sports
click here
and Volume two is published in culture
click here
They have different titles on BC because they're under different sections, but on my own personal blogs (click my name above) they're entitled "How Famous Athletes Are Gay" Vol. I & II (the pictures are a little "racier" on mine than what I can publish here)
Enjoy
31 - LKYPRL
This article is.....HOGWASH!
32 - Jet Gardner
Drat-I knew there was a Teabagger phrase I missed-darn darn darn darn-DARN
33 - Baronius
Jet - I wish the tea partiers and right-wing politicians said half of the things you claim they do.
34 - Ruvy
I wish the tea partiers and right-wing politicians said half of the things you claim they do.
Who knows, Baronius? Maybe some of them will read this article and do just that, just to piss off people like Jet even more....
35 - Jet Gardner
Ahhh the unprovable statement meets the unreconcilable opionion Baronious. In your opinion which you're trying to push as fact, the tea partiers and Right wing republicans have never said those things.
Just because you declare it, doesn't make it so, it just makes me think you're a tea partier at heart of whom I hurt his feelings...
nothing more.
I present my opinions as opinions
36 - Arch Conservative
I'm sorta disappointed though, if Arch doesn't post a snide and disapproving remark on an article it's not worth writing
It's been nice weather out here in New Hampshire all weekend. I just came in for a moment ot read the news and catch up ON BC.
I skimmed through the responses.
I didn't read the article but given it's title and author I'm sure it's nothing but whackadoo moonbat garbage.
I have better things to do.
It's going to be almost seventy today and I have yard work to do.
37 - Jet Gardner
I... I'm crushed. Oh this is horrible. Oh well, try-try again. Maybe he liked the Mt. Everest one. I KNOW he looked at the new $100 bill (it had a picture)... hopefully he won't have too much tropuble cleaning the crayon marks he left off of his screen.
sob...sniff
38 - zingzing
imagine if the tea party was black
(note the timothy mcveigh mistake... given all the typos, it's obvious this guy wrote this very passionately, and without time for links to his sources, but still, he makes an interesting point. would love to see how bc's teabaggers respond to it. outright dismissal is my bet, but i think that would be cowardly. there's no denying that if the tables were turned, they'd be horrified.)
39 - Jet Gardner
The media, i suspect woulve been ignoring them by now Zing... As I mentioned in the article (which I'd like your opinion of and your Digg) haven't you noticed that all the blacks and hispanics are near the camera in neews shots and everyone in the background are exclusivly shrill whites.
Why would the media be ignoring them by now? Because of the fact that the only well-behaved, civil lucid, and well-educated members of the Tea Party ARE black! If they were all black they'd be boring... except to the Klan of course.
40 - Baronius
Well, I really hate it when liberals throw rice pudding at pictures of Cheney, because they really mean that they want to gut the military.
41 - Jet Gardner
I got whiplash just trying to figure out the logic of that last statement... ouch!
Though I've never considered ot until now (thanks to you) do you realized that if we pulled the military out of places where we have no reason to be and stopped building fighter jets and destroyers to dogfight with the massive Taliban Air Force and Navy how many unemployed we could support until they found maningful jobs? ... or or even pay down the National debt to stop paying China tens of millions a month in loan interest that could be used to rebuild and update our infrastructure?
Trillions of bucks used to put industry back to work!
It boggles the mind... of course it'd also put Haliburton out of business, but their headquarters in the middle-east, they're an off-shore foreign company now.
42 - Jet Gardner
I hate rice pudding
43 - Jet Gardner
We might even have enough postage left over to mail Obama to Mars and Bush to the moon!
44 - Cindy
38 zing,
great article by time wise.
45 - Cindy
er...tim
46 - Cindy
Barnious, I wonder what you think about color-blindness after considering that article.
47 - Jet Gardner
44 indeed it was Cindy
48 - roger nowosielski
Great link, zing. I think it's the same Tim Wise who had written another column about Rev. Wright.
49 - Baronius
I made it almost a paragraph before I realized it was Tim Wise. I've got better things to do.
50 - Jet Gardner
If I can listen to Limbaugh on occasion, Aunt B can read Wise
51 - roger nowosielski
That's typical, though, Jet.
Most people only look to having their own views confirmed, not challenged. Even the brightest, I daresay, so Aunt B is definitely no exception.
52 - zingzing
baronius: "I made it almost a paragraph before I realized it was Tim Wise. I've got better things to do."
yep. the typical cowardly dismissal i expected. pathetical predictable. the idea behind it is not changed by who it is that's writing the idea down. you can dismiss the writer, baronius, but if you made it a paragraph in, the idea's already in your head. so what does it make you think?
53 - Jet Gardner
Simon & Gargunkle: "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest"
54 - Jet Gardner
Of course the teabaggers don't want to discuss how much (10s if thousands of dollars) local taxes pay for the overtime for cops to protect and direct traffic around their loud and angry rallies either-do they? Maybe the city should charge them a fee for those services rather than charge the taxpayers
NO MORE TAXES! No more schools, no more roads/bridges, no more police, no more libraries, no new fire/rescue trucks or firemen, no highschool football/basketball teams, no more elementary band classes, teachers thrown into bankruptcy while trying to teach 50-60 kids per classroom, no new school busses...
Taxes pay for all the branchs of the military... and Haliburton-they'd go bankrupt!, Taxes pay for flood control.
go ahead keep screaming "fuck taxes" because without them we'll have to borrow even more money and run up the deficit and then we'll become a province of China (if we aren't already)
I bet you can't guess what one of George Bush Sr's jobs was before he became president?
Ambassador to... you guessed it!... China
55 - Baronius
I've run across Tim Wise before. His thinking is exactly what a healthy society needs to get out of its head. I don't want to sit around and think about race.
56 - zingzing
aww. sure, that's the reason. it's not because you know he's right. or at least it's a good question. really, what if it was a bunch of black, latino and muslim people were running around saying/doing the things the white tea party is (except, of course, turned against the conservatives)? unfortunately, with the rhetoric the tea party employs, that might happen. if it does, things could get ugly. they already are ugly, but that's ok, because death threats and the like really increases our "freedom" as americans.
57 - Baronius
Zing, so now you're blaming the right for things you think they would do, hypothetically? I guess my comment #40 was prescient.
58 - Ruvy
Since you seem to be discussing something serious, here is a serious article on where you seem to be going....
59 - Jet Gardner
A strange thing... I'm getting lots of personal e-mails supporting this editorial and yet they're not leaving their comments here.
The impression I'm getting is that they think they'll get ganged up here.
Has the mood shifted that much since I've been gone?
60 - zingzing
baronius, blaming the right for things who might do? and what did i hypothetically say they would do? whoever "they" are.
i'm not blaming the right for anything, i'm just saying their rhetoric is very inflammatory. inflammatory rhetoric has a tendency to inflame things. as in most anything, if something sticks around long enough there will be a backlash. if the tea party doesn't dwindle out (which is a good possibility), the backlash will either come from within or without. if it comes from without, what do you think it will be?
(maybe this is what you refer to, i dunno. i'm not the one who created the hypothetical situation. i'm just saying it's possible it could come about given the current political climate. you can't deny that, can you? if your side can do it, i don't doubt ours can... and i think #40 might go a long way towards proving that in your eyes...)
and if you're taking my words and extending them into hypothetical territory, you're at least as guilty of anything you say i'm guilty of as i am of being guilty of them... whatever that might be.
(i'm not sure, because your wording is so vague, but is it the "death threats" bit that has you all atwitter? unless you refuse to look into the dark heart/freely available writings of the tea party, i guess that can't be it...)
and don't think i don't see what you're doing... what would you say if it was minority groups that were using militant, inflammatory, threatening rhetoric against conservatives? what do you think of the black panthers? al qaeda? (and no, i'm not directly comparing the tea party to al qaeda... so don't get your panties in a bunch.)
you don't have to answer the question, it's a free country, but it would only confirm my suspicion that conservatives can't rationally explain why one is ok and the other is not.
61 - Jet Gardner
Thanks Zing-This EDITORIAL is a reaction to what I've already seen that has been documented on TV. In no instance have I speculated of what they "might" do.
62 - Baronius
Zing, I'm talking about the Tim Wise article that blames people for their reaction to a movement that doesn't exist. Wise is a hate salesman.
63 - zingzing
you'd better explain yourself a little bit better. "a movement that doesn't exist?" of course it doesn't exist. most people aren't so callous. i don't see who he's blaming either.
and "hate salesman?" back that up.
you're being purposefully vague. it's transparent. you can't answer the question, can you?
64 - Jeff Forsythe
Ruvy, the wise Hillel said that you can't judge your fellow, but you can judge the person in whose place you are - namely yourself. So if you want to help your fellow improve himself, criticize yourself in a way that gets him thinking, too.
In the story of Rabbi DovBer of Lubavitch. Once, while receiving people in yechidut, Rabbi DovBer suddenly stopped the yechidut, locked his door, and refused to see anyone for many hours. Chassidim outside his door heard their Rebbe weeping and praying.
Following this incident, the Rebbe was so weakened that he was confined to his bed for several days. Later, one of the elder Chassidim dared to ask the Rebbe what had occurred. Rabbi DovBer explained: "When a person seeks my assistance in curing his spiritual ills, I must first find the same failing - be it in the most subtle of forms -- within my own self. For it is not possible for me to help him unless I myself have already experienced the same problem and undergone the same process of self-refinement. On that day, someone came to me with a problem. I was horrified to hear to what depths he had fallen, G-d forbid. Try as I might, I could not find within myself anything even remotely resembling what he told me. But Divine Providence had sent this man to me, so I knew that somewhere, somehow, there was something in me that could relate to his situation. The thought shook me to the very core of my soul and moved me to repent and return to G-d from the depths of my heart."
In other words, you can't judge yourself, either. If you have a problem, then you're the problem - you need someone outside of your problem to help you solve it. But if that person is outside of your problem, then he can't truly know it, so he can't solve it, either. What you need is a Rebbe - someone who is infinitely beyond your problem, yet knows that if you have the problem, he has it too.
Mr. Forsythe
65 - Ruvy
Mr. Forsythe,
Are you referring to my comment #75 in Jet's article about currency? I can attempt to answer comments in the same thread, but when they cross threads this way, the comments get jumbled up like a ball of yarn.....
If you are referring to this thread, what are you referring to?
66 - Jeff Forsythe
Indeed
67 - Jeff Forsythe
I will be tardy for work. More this afternoon if I can Mr. Ruvy
Mr. forsythe
68 - Jet Gardner
Ruvy, Jeff's #64 seems to be saying "Judge not, lest ye be judged thyself"... but I'm not sure why, or in what context? It doesn't seem to have any relation to the article or any comments you've made.
Of course I could be wrong-and usually I am...
If you do-Please don't explain, my head hurts enough anyway...
Hmmmmmmm
69 - Ruvy
Yeah, Jet. My head hurts too from this. I was never much for the philosophy - whether it was "Likutéi SiHót or the secular philosophers. In Jewish culture, this kind of discourse is known as pilpúl - pepper. I don't have Hungarian tastes and do not need that much pepper. A good cup of coffee is my style. Speaking of which, if I don't make myself one soon, I'm going to nod off to sleep....
70 - Clavos
¡Viva La Raza!
71 - STM
I'd like to know who's looking after the trailers while the baggers are out protesting.
72 - Jet Gardner
I'd think that'd be obvious Stan, They brought them with them!
73 - Jet Gardner
Dear god; Clavos read it without fainting?
74 - Jet Gardner
The all-inclusive Tea Party of the "common people" show how far right-wing they really are.
When Utah's Republican Party holds its nominating convention on Saturday, the conservative insurgency could claim a significant scalp. Senator Robert Bennett, the three-term GOP stalwart, is lagging badly behind two Tea Partyâ€"fueled challengers. In a recent Salt Lake Tribune survey, Bennett garnered support from just 16% of state delegates, a figure eclipsed by attorney Mike Lee's 37% and entrepreneur Tim Bridgewater's 20%. Bennett's anemic polling has his antagonists clamoring at the prospect of ousting the cycle's first sitting Senator â€" and backers fearful that Bennett will earn the ignominious distinction of being the rare incumbent who fails even to crack his party's primary ballot.
Under Utah's peculiar primary system, the party's 3,500 state delegates â€" tapped by the 75,000 voters who turned out for local caucuses on March 23 â€" will cast secret ballots to winnow the candidate pool from eight to three, then vote again to narrow the race to two finalists. A candidate who tallies 60% of the vote would sidestep a primary and win the nomination outright; otherwise, the top pair proceeds to a June run-off. Citing his sagging status within a changing party, analysts have already penned Bennett's political obituary. "Bennett has almost no shot of getting more votes at the convention than Bridgewater and Lee," said Brad Coker, managing director of Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, the firm that conducted the Tribune survey.
(See the 10 races that have Republicans worried for 2010.)
Such an outcome would be the bruising fall Tea Party members have frequently predicted but so far rarely forced. But Bennett, 76, would be an unlikely victim. The son of a former Utah Senator and grandson of a former Mormon church president, Bennett has long boasted sterling conservative bona fides, and easily won re-election to his third term in 2004 with 69% of the vote. A proponent of the flat tax and opponent of abortion, he earns stellar grades from interest groups like the National Rifle Association, the American Conservative Union and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Yet his support for bank bailouts, his sponsorship of an alternative health-care proposal that included an individual mandate and his robust defense of earmarks are anathema to the state's swelling coterie of right-wing activists.
(See pictures of the Tea Party movement.)
"The main issue was TARP and the bailout votes," says David Kirkham, the Provo-based founder of the Utah Tea Party and a state delegate at Saturday's convention. When he was nominated at a local caucus, the first question Kirkham faced was whether he backed Bennett. "I said, Absolutely not," he says. "Everybody I talk to is very anti-Bennett."
(See 10 candidates who have the potential to be the next Republican surprise.)
Tea Party leaders and anti-Bennett groups have cast the Senator's plight as a harbinger for Republicans who fail to court newly energized conservative voters and heed the anti-incumbent winds buffeting Washington's elite. But other analysts say that is giving the Tea Party movement too much credit. They view Bennett's potential demise as the product of the blood-red state's unique nomination system, in which a few thousand delegates have the clout to choose a U.S. Senator for a few million residents. "Utah has the highest barrier for entry onto a ballot of any state in the country," says Kirk Jowers, director of the Hinckley Institute of Politics at the University of Utah. "So the incentives are all toward kissing up to very, very few people."
75 - Jet Gardner
I never thought I'd show support for a conservative republiccan like Bennett, but this is absolutely rediculous.
This is a one vote issue, because he voted for the Wall-street bailout.
Not conservative enough for the Tea-Party???
He's against any liberal social issues like aborthion and gay rights.
How far right to you have to be??????