The Americans are telling us not to attack Iran. We need to tell them to go to hell!
The Sunday (07 March 2010) edition of the Hebrew daily, Ma'ariv, carried this headline, Obama's deputy [Vice President Joseph Biden] brings clear message to Israel: 'Don't attack Iran'"…
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— go to most recent comments26 - jeannie danna
I just wanted to make absolutely certain that my words don't snowball into an avalanche!
:)
27 - Dr Dreadful
You're all wrong. It was the scouring of the Shire.
It is the episode at the end of The Lord of the Rings in which the hobbits, who have hitherto been sheltered from the evils of the outside world, come under the dictatorial thrall of Saruman, who embarks on a program of destructive industrialisation.
On the return of Frodo and his companions, Saruman is overthrown and work begins to restore the ravaged Shire to its former bucolic state.
Here is the Merriam-Webster set of definitions for the word 'scour'.
With that in mind, and whether you're on board with Ruvy's views or not, it is a very good metaphor.
28 - Realist
Reb Ruvy
Did you miss the fatwa issued against terror bombers by Dr. Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri, one of Pakistan's most prominent clerics(http://aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=3&id=20162)?
"...he believes that his fatwa represents a complete theological rebuttal of every argument used by Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations." Even Al-Jazeera covered it! (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/03/2010321321826236.html)
This edict would include Hamas and Fatah and Hezbollah. The Muslim world is not made up exclusively of terrorists, or we would all have suffered huge terrorist attacks by now. The few that have happened are relatively minor to what could happen. I'm sure they are getting tired of this as the rest of us are, for it solves nothing.
Israel has a right to exist, and in peace, but not if they are going to act like Hitler's Germany. Israel isn't big enough to withstand the world without us backing them, so saner heads need to speak out. Telling the US to go to hell -while maybe satisfying- is NOT the answer to Israels issues with the Muslims. Negotiating their issues in good faith is.
29 - Ruvy
So now, you call me a sycophant? I’d rather you return to cheerleader, if you don’t mind.
Jeannie, you're still a cheerleader. You are not high enough in any line of authority to rate being an assistant to the secretary of the helper to a sycophant, let alone a full rank sycophant. Now Dave Nalle, on the other hand might have been up in that general level once. But he had the good sense to get the hell out of Dodge. Now he sits with his beady eyes looking through the gun-sights of whatever weapon he is carrying these days, looking out for coyotes - both two legged and four legged.
Let's see, you just called us thugs, drunks, and whores, johns, and losers.
Very perceptive, Jeannie. But I didn't call you whores - that fine designation was reserved for the idiots on the kiryá (Government Hill) who got bought out by the johns of the American government.
But even so, the names do not apply to all of you personally. And certainly not those commenting here. I'm not that mean, vicious or petty. But I did grow up in Noo Yawk, and I saw a lot of the above wandering the concrete canyons of what was once the capital of the world. And your culture - what used to be our culture - has gravitated towards these scum as heroes to be worshiped. That stinks!
But the big point here is that I condemned your government. Not Obama - successive administrations running from Harry Truman to Lyndon Johnson to Richard Nixon to Ronald Reagan to Bush to Clinton, to the Shrub, and now also Obama. Both for their foreign policies towards Israel - not one of these guys could be called a "friend" - just enemies by different levels and degrees, with Reagan having a real emotional tie to Israel - but held hostage by the CFR that runs your gov'mint, nevertheless - but also for the way they screwed you over, or allowed your corporate thugs to screw you over.
That is why your power is fading, why we can tell you to go to hell, and, by the way, why you cannot afford what you so deserve, a good system of universal, affordable health care.
As for putting blame - the blame falls on the CFR and its associates world-wide. They are the éminences grises behind the curtain, making so many millions of lives miserable.
30 - roger nowosielski
Not so according to the link I provided earlier, and I quote:
Once Sharkey is deposed Sam the new Mayor
(and a gardener) plants the seed given to him by Galadriel and renewal begins:
"an air of richness and growth, and a gleam of beauty beyond that of mortal summers that flicker and pass upon this Middle-earth. All the children born or begotten in that year, and there were many, were fair to see and strong, and most of them had a rich golden hair that had before been rare amongst Hobbits. The fruit was so plentiful that young hobbits very nearly bathed in
strawberries and cream. And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass."
Anna Bramwell has pointed out what she sees as some of the political undertones:
"The cleansing of the Shire (carried out, one notes, by the radical working class Sam Gamgee, while the paternalist Tory Frodo waits for death
and resurrection) can be interpreted in several ways. The trees that were cut down are replanted again, the dark, smoky mills are demolished. The bearers of exploitative capitalism are chased out by the sword and the fist."6
Note that, unlike Shippey she sees the exploiters as capitalist rather than socialist in nature.
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See the middle paragraph.
31 - roger nowosielski
Wow, I didn't know, Jeannie, that Ruvy was being flattering.
Obviously, a sycophant is a higher-grade pay than mere cheerleader.
He must have your well-being in mind, so take it easy on him, will ya?
32 - roger nowosielski
And here's a definition from Merriam-Webster's:
Main Entry: sy·co·phant
Pronunciation: -f?nt also -?fant
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin sycophanta slanderer, swindler, from Greek sykophant?s slanderer, from sykon fig + phainein to show â€" more at fancy
Date: 1575
: a servile self-seeking flatterer
synonyms see parasite
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There you go. You can always count on Ruvy's flattery.
33 - roger nowosielski
What a guy!!!
34 - jeannie danna
I love him! I don't know why , but I do...
:)Later BC
35 - Ruvy
Did you miss the fatwa issued against terror bombers by Dr. Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri, one of Pakistan's most prominent clerics?
I most certainly did not! It is Muslim clerics like Dr. ul-Qadri with whom we Jews can negotiate a real peace deal - for the Qur'an tracks the Tana"kh in terms of whom it grants control over the Land of Israel, and real peace can be negotiated using the primary works of both faiths as the underlying common pool of understanding; and using as a starting point the 1919 agreement between the Protector of Makka and Medina and Haim Weizmann of the World Zionist Organization, as well as the Resolutions on Palestine adopted by the Allied powers in Italy on 24-25 April 1920, resolutions that were to be included in the Treaty of Sèvres, but which were instead adopted as Charter of Mandate Palestine. The aforementioned Resolutions, together with the Feisal - Weitzmann agreement, form the basis in international law of our claim to this land. And now, our military can back that claim up.
It is precisely with such Muslims that I and the group I work with maintain contact.
Hamas and the PLO are branches of the enemies of the ul-Qadri Muslim, namely the ikhwan muslimia (Muslim Brotherhood) a daughter of the Wahhabi sect of "Islam" ruling in Arabia right now.
36 - roger nowosielski
So must God, Jeannie. But God's patience is surely wearing thin.
37 - zingzing
jesus, ruvy... why can't you be like #35 more often? (i'll admit it's not as much fun as the raving lunatic you often come across as, but it is still refreshing.)
38 - roger nowosielski
There is hope, then.
39 - roger nowosielski
But then again, zinger, who will play the part of a raving maniac.
Every village needs its village idiot, no?
And that's in spite of Hiilary's proposition about the importance of the village, or perhaps because of it.
40 - Dr Dreadful
Roger (@ #30):
No, 'The Scouring of the Shire' is the title of the chapter which covers these events.
Tolkien always rejected suggestions that The Lord of the Rings was allegorical or had some deeper meaning. While that wasn't entirely true - the cosy Shire does represent his love of the English countryside and its people, and 'The Scouring' is in part a reaction to the industrialization he abhorred - to try and attach a more significant political subtext to it, as your commentators are doing, is a bit comical.
Similarly, you seem to be trying to ascribe motives to Ruvy which I just don't see in this piece.
Had he actually hit on it, the word 'scouring' - if you look at the Merriam-Webster definition of a thorough cleansing, a purging, and especially the 'archaic' definition of a routing-out of enemies, which is most assuredly part of the meaning Tolkien intended - his metaphor would have been most apt. I do get it.
41 - Ruvy
DD,
Had he actually hit on it, the word 'scouring' - if you look at the Merriam-Webster definition of a thorough cleansing, a purging, and especially the 'archaic' definition of a routing-out of enemies, which is most assuredly part of the meaning Tolkien intended - his metaphor would have been most apt. I do get it
I would have used the term "scouring of the shire" had I not been in a hurry for a term, and had I felt I had time to look it up. I relied on my memory, which while good, is not perfect. The term didn't sound quite right, but it was all I could remember. My mind at the time was on finding appropriate links to some of my statements. I assure you, that when this goes into Ruvy's Roost and elsewhere, the term "scouring of the shire" will be used. Thank you for the lesson in remembering to use reference works....
42 - roger nowosielski
No problem, Dreadful. I'll check the original.
But what motives might you speak of?
43 - roger nowosielski
Well, in that case you're vindicated, Ruvy, on account of literal accuracy.
But you still have to answer zing's compliment of not playing a maniac for a change.
What obtained? Did you have a change of heart?
44 - Ruvy
While we're on Tolkien, according to what I remember, he was a linguistics expert, the kind of fellow I can very much identify with, and he spent much time inventing languages for his works. And I agree with DD that he was not working on some political analogy at all. He was a storyteller - the storytellers in his tale were probably the ones in the his works on Middle Earth that he identified with most.
45 - Glenn Contrarian
Ruvy -
We no longer need your goodwill. That is the point of this article. Your power, your economic power, is fading as I type this comment.
I wasn't referring to America. I was referring to the West as a whole. Without our logistical support, the Muslim countries - united by their suddenly-justified hatred of Israel thanks to your use of nukes - would basically lay siege and choke your country to death.
Finally, and get this straight in your head, the G-d of Israel does not lie. In any such battle, we will win, because we have an Ally you do not have.
Then apparently you don't have FAITH in God...because if you truly believe that you will win in any battle because He is on your side, then you have NO REASON TO FEAR an attack by other countries, now do you?
If you truly have faith in God, then you have no need to attack and murder hundreds of thousands of innocent women, children, and infants that would die along with the men who hat you. Do you really, truly want the blood of infants on your hands?
But if you truly fear an attack by the Iranians, if you truly fear that they will lay waste to your land if you don't attack them first...then you do not have the faith you professed.
I'm sorry to put things in these terms, Ruvy, but the path you're wanting to tread leads to a truly terrible evil. And remember - I'm not trinitarian. I believe in the same God that you do.
46 - roger nowosielski
C.S Lewis, in fact, the literary dean of Oxford, was Tolkien's disciple.
To go beyond, it was Tolkien who was influential in C.S. Lewis's conversion (to Christianity).
47 - roger nowosielski
Story tellers often use analogy or allegory.
Dante's Commedia is a prime example, so your argument would have to be buttressed other than by mere fact of referring.
Or think of Christ's parables, for instance, however much you may hate the idea.
48 - Ruvy
But you still have to answer zing's compliment of not playing a maniac for a change. What obtained? Did you have a change of heart?
What you see at the very end of this article - the very last link - and in comment #35 - are my ambitions for this country. And my ambitions are peaceful and they have always been peaceful. I want to live in peace with my Arab neighbors, to go to their weddings and feasts, have them come to ours, and work with them on plantings and harvests.
I dislike this shit about Area "A", Area "B" and Area "C"; or of having a wall stretch across my land like a scar. All this is wrong. It does not add to peace and certainly does not bring prosperity.
What you see most of the other time is me forced to react to the violence around me, as well as the stupidity.
As for telling the American government to go to hell, this is long overdue. As for treating those who spit on us as trash to be beaten to a pulp, this too is long overdue. But that is reacting to a vicious, violent and murderous world. And I will not be nice when I see the honor of my people impugned and spit upon by fools and louts. I would be overjoyed to see the scum who push the lies of Israel Apartheid Week beaten bloody and taught never to insult Jews on campus - or anywhere else.
But that is not what I wish to be. That is what the world around me requires me to be.
When I push my own ideas, they are those of the peace-maker, of the man who makes peace between a man and his fellow. Unfortunately, the world is not interested in peace between a man and his fellow - it is interested in sex and murder and encouraging both.
49 - Glenn Contrarian
Shazbot!
It WAS 'scouring' and not 'cleansing'. Man...now I gotta go hand in my know-a-whole-lot-about-Tolkien card.
But I do agree with Ruvy that he was not making a political analogy...but I do believe probably he chose 'west' vs. 'east' because these would have been more palatable to the book-buying public than if he'd made the 'east' heroic and the 'west' dastardly.
50 - roger nowosielski
"Unfortunately, the world is not interested in peace between a man and his fellow."
I have to agree with you on that, despite all the claims to the contrary.
Thus far, we're only gesturing, but we're surely a long way from realizing this bit of wisdom.
51 - jeannie danna
Ruvy,
This is one of the nicest threads I have ever seen and it's yours!
:)the cheerleader...
52 - roger nowosielski
Ruvy's definitely coming around.
He's not any kind of monster we've imagined him to be.
53 - Ruvy
Responding to comment #45:
Don't get the idea that I'm pushing nuclear attack, Glenn. The mullah's bomb can be crippled in other ways. Now, do me a big favor, use your imagination and intelligence, and don't press me for those other ways - hopefully you can figure out why....
54 - John Wilson
I haven't trusted the Israelis since the attack on USS Liberty.
55 - Ruvy
I haven't trusted the Israelis since the attack on USS Liberty.
The problem John, is not whether you trust us, but that we have trusted you. The American gov't. cannot be relied upon to keep its word and cannot be trusted at all. Don't believe me - ask the President of Georgia. Ask Jonathan Pollard. Ask the veterans of the South Vietnamese army. Ask the Cambodians. Ask the Poles.
I could go on for a page and a half of who your government has betrayed, aside from us in Israel. The only good thing about Obama is that he doesn't betray us at all. He hates us and lets us know it every chance he gets. Honest enemies are far easier to deal with than phoney friends.
That is why I supported the SOB for president.
56 - Glenn Contrarian
John -
This retired Navy man has to stick with Ruvy on the matter of the USS Liberty. We don't know the whole story and never will. Personally I suspect that it was just a stupid tragic incident caused by a few idiots (maybe from Israel, and maybe not), that the U.S government did know what happened, and - just like with the Scorpion that I strongly suspect the Soviets intentionally sunk - decided it was best to keep the details from the public, to downplay everything in order to get past a tragedy caused by a few idiots that might otherwise have resulted in misery for many millions.
57 - Dr Dreadful
The only good thing about Obama is that he doesn't betray us at all. He hates us and lets us know it every chance he gets.
From Ruvy's link:
'Biden said that "the substance and timing of the announcement, particularly with the launching of proximity talks, is precisely the kind of step that undermines the trust we need right now and runs counter to the constructive discussions that I’ve had here in Israel."'
Isn't it amazing how where some people hear 'Can't we all just get along?' others hear 'Die die die you horrible scumbags'?
58 - Glenn Contrarian
Ruvy -
I'm sincerely glad you're not advocating the use of a nuke, and I hope you're not advocating any kind of overt military strike. As the Mossad recently proved in Dubai, there are indeed many other ways, and I heartily agree that it's better if discussion of those ways isn't transmitted by bits and bytes.
Have a smile, friend! Not everyone is against you in this world.
59 - roger nowosielski
Thanks, Dreadful.
Now you're making it imperative that I read the whole spiel. I surely was hoping not having have to and still comment intelligently.
Thanks, but no thanks.
60 - zingzing
doc--that is kinda crazy. seems like biden (not obama, but...) was saying that it was pretty stupid to make that move at that time. it shows absolutely no hate, only frustration.
if that's the best you've got, you've got a lot more convincing to do. pretty damn weak.
61 - Silas Kain
Ruvy, I have purposely held back choosing to reread your treatise several times before I make my informed commentary. Ruvy, I respect you. I wish I had half the passion you possess. I agree that the United States should stay out of the affairs of Israel, period. The problem is that governments use cash and economies as political leverage against innocent people on both sides of the sea. Which leads me to my own thoughts.
George Bernard Shaw once said:
If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens, how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
Therein lies the problem, Ruvy. For centuries Man has not learned from past mistakes and repeats history because parents instill the hatred into their offspring. The basis for this never ending cycle is usually driven by religious fervor based in ancient writings. We teach our children to perpetuate the racial and religious divides. We instill the preconceived notions which were instilled in us onto our progeny. It's got to stop.
I don't know if there is a magic bullet to bring the violence and mistrust to an end in your part of the world. I refuse to believe that all of Arab peoples, Muslims in particular, are inherently evil. Just as I refuse to believe that all Jews are money grubbing, sinister merchants who wish to control the world through finance. I do believe that Arabs and Jews share more common genealogy than their human brothers and sisters in America.
It starts again with rational education, Ruvy. If we could just provide a solid, value driven education to the next 2 or 3 generations we will be laying the foundation for a world which can live in tolerance and peace. It means sacrifice on our part. It requires eloquent patience and a willingness to stay silent in hopes of finding common ground in our opposition. We cannot correct the mistakes of thousands of years in one fell swoop. We can, however, lay the groundwork for this generation of students. We can rationally present the cases of all sides and teach our young that it is their charge to forge ahead with a new societal paradigm.
We live in a new era of information. Communication is instantaneous. Shepherds in the desert have equal access to information as a student in Tel Aviv. In this homogenization of humanity -- cultures are endangered, religions morphing and previous political machinations no longer apply. We seem desperate to insure that our respective cultures survive this upheaval. What we don't seem to understand is that the homogenization of societies is not the murder of custom and culture but an amalgam of the past and present. The new age which is upon us is like an alloy. It is a mixture of several ingredients melted together creating a stronger fabric. Sure, there is slag that will fall away in the process and perhaps that is what scares us most.
The greatest act of love we can give our children is the opportunity to live a life free of the old ideas and hatreds. We need to bring the youth of all cultures together to share, discuss and decide the course they want for their lives. And, finally, we need to make our children secure in knowing that they are not required to perpetuate that which existed but are encouraged to find their own way in achieving a lasting peace.
62 - Ruvy
doc--that is kinda crazy. seems like biden (not obama, but...) was saying that it was pretty stupid to make that move at that time. it shows absolutely no hate, only frustration. if that's the best you've got, you've got a lot more convincing to do. pretty damn weak.
That's not "the best I've got" - merely the latest - in 60 years of attempting to undermine the State. Go through my articles, zing, all 130 or so of them, to see the rest.
63 - Ruvy
I agree that the United States should stay out of the affairs of Israel, period. The problem is that governments use cash and economies as political leverage against innocent people on both sides of the sea.
That is the reason, Silas, I chose to outline the fact that the dollar - the American dollar - is on the verge of collapse in this article. The leverage of the American government will largely be diminished, and that of the Europeans will follow.
Since the European and American governments have been hogtying this country for decades, those ropes will break - and we will actually have the opportunity to pursue the ideas you speak of so well above.
64 - Ruvy
Doc Dreadful,
Isn't it amazing how where some people hear 'Can't we all just get along?' others hear 'Die die die you horrible scumbags'?
What you were hearing was the frustration of a man whose job it is to make 'die, you horrible scumbags' look like 'can't we all jut get along?' That has been the game of deceit that the British played here for decades till we kicked them out - and that the Americans have been playing as well.
Most of us here are onto that game. The "scouring of the shire" is to get rid of those kapos at the top who would cooperate with this game of murdering us off in the name of "peace".
This is how we will get "peace". Read talkback #11 at that article.
65 - Dr Dreadful
Ah, Ruvy. Perhaps a further Lord of the Rings allusion is called for. I'm thinking of when the duplicitous Saruman sues for peace after the victory of the Rohirrim at Helm's Deep and the fall of Isengard. King Theoden responds:
"We will have peace. Yes, we will have peace, when you and all your works have perished - and the works of your dark master to whom you would deliver us. You are a liar, Saruman, and a corrupter of men's hearts. You hold out your hand to me, and i perceive only a finger of the claw of Mordor."
66 - Silas Kain
Ruvy, I read #11 and as much as it disturbs me I think you are right especially where you said:
Obviously we will have to dismantle the PA we set up - and probably kill most of its leaders. We will have to destroy the Arab hate and terror infra-structure we allowed to develop. But at the same time, we need to realize that Arabs who have jobs, education and a level of freedom that no Egyptian or Syrian can even imagine, will make for a powerful Israel.
The more I study the closer I come to the conclusion that the political events of the last 100 years have not been motivated by religion or ideology at all. Everything has been motivated by greed. Religion was used as the opiate to drive the capitalist machine. The greed of corporations and their leaders who financed Richard M. Nixon is a classic example. They saw opening relations with Communist China as an opportunity to intrude on the Chinese way of life and open up an incredible market for profits. What happened was that the Nixon Administration failed to understand one simple fact -- the Chinese are far more intelligent than Americans.
67 - geryhostone
Everything dynamic and very positively!
68 - Ruvy
Silas,
You are so right about greed being a motivator for many events - particularly in this region. But you cannot discount religious fanaticism either. Religious fanaticism can be a force for good - check out the reign of King Ashoka in Hindustan - but almost always, in the hands of people controlled by the yétzer har'á, the evil inclination, it is a force for terrible evil.
This was especially so with the Nazis, who built their ideas on religious concepts (not Christianity, which they despised) and remains so in their spiritual allies/inheritors, the Wahhabi, and most particularly in their later wrinkle in the Ãkhwan muslimÃa, the qútbi. The PLO and Hamas, both draw their motivating fuel from the the Ãkhwan muslimÃa and the qútbi, which is why they are so similar in their goal of extirpating Jews from éretz yisraél in violation of the Qur'an they pretend to believe in.
Both greed and religious fanaticism has played a role in creating the Arab terror structure in Israel. The Arabs are motivated by greed and murderousness in their erroneous interpretation of jihád (as it applies to the Land and Children of Israel); the Israeli enablers of these terroristic scum (read here, the Labor party, Kadima, the left wing of Likud, and Meretz) are motivated by greed and hatred of Judaism and religious Jews.
When you see the world through these lenses of understanding, and comprehend the Torah's statement that the Children of Israel shall stand apart from mankind, you can easily begin to see my viewpoint on events here.
Then you also see the need for the "scouring of the shire", Tolkien's truly apt phrase for what needs to occur here in Israel.
69 - Ruvy
Here, in this Arutz Sheva newsflash, we see the nature of the interference of the United States in our internal affairs. From the text:
The United States opposes a Jewish presence in portions of the capital liberated by Israel during the 1967 Six-Day War and is currently pressuring the Netanyahu government to surrender most of Jerusalem to the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority.
It wasn't enough that the United State pressured Netanyahu to allow a freeze on construction in Judea and Samaria, and in addition (as evidenced by his behavior), pressured Netanyahu to allow Bark to be the American bully-boy in destroying homes and synagogues here. Now its flunkies insist we have no right to build in our own capital as well?
MK NaHman Shai, the Kadima kapo kissing the Americans' ass and getting their shit on his lips, deserves the hanging rope for treason. Surrender of sovereignty over Jerusalem is treason according to Israeli Criminal Law. His own words convict him.
Biden should go back to the swamps of DC and shut the fuck up (or better yet, monitor the bribes given DC zoning inspectors), and the American interfering bastards should be told to go to hell, and not to pollute OUR land with their presence. Whatever the case, they deserve no apologies from our leaders for building in our own capital.
70 - Ruvy
Hi all!! I republished this article at my own blog-site, Ruvy's Roost. The differences are slight but they do change the tone of the article some. Go check it out and leave comments if you have time.
71 - jeannie danna
Yes Ruvy, I agree with you that we should not be dictating orders to your people as to where you can build new homes for your people. I am also very disappointed in Vice President Biden's' choice of words. While watching Morning Joe on MSNBC this morning, I saw how he said, condemned, this was an inflammatory word for sure.
I also am not happy with your choice of words in #69, but this is your thread and I can't tell you how or what to say.
Here is a clip showing, President Peres speaking on Joe's show. I thought perhaps it might interest you if you haven't watched it already.
:) I’m not comfortable debating this subject with you because I don't know all of the facts. I just wanted to give you these video clips.
72 - Ruvy
Apparently, "Big Mouth Biden" has managed to grab headlines in the press here with his condemnation of the proposed building of 1,600 housing units in the Ramat Shlomo neighborhood of Jerusalem. Neither the Americans nor the UN have any right to tell us what to do in our own capital. But this didn't stop either of the scumbags representing both from condemning the proposed construction in Jerusalem.
It is for precisely this kind of unwarranted interference in our affairs that the Americans and the UN, as well as the EU and Russia, all need to be told to go to hell, shut the fuck up, and get lost.
They all push "negotiations" with murderers and terrorists who honor women who kill innocent civilians with the intent of killing innocent civilians. The terrorists need to be killed and the foreigners told to take a hike and take all their shit with them as they leave.
As for the EU, the building they built in J-lem was built without the proper permits - and should be torn down with D9's to teach the arrogant bastards not to violate OUR law in OUR land.
It may turn out that naddering Netanyahu will cave in to pressure and delay or cancel the building permits in Ramat Shlomo. He is already covering his ass to do this according to the Ynetnews report referenced above, claiming he was "blindsided". We in Israel are expected to accept his with a straight face.
Apparently, I will have to write an article on "scouring the shire".
73 - Ruvy
Thank you for the video links, Jeannie. Go to Arutz Sheva for a reasonably accurate account of events here. Then you can go to Haaretz, the Jerusalem Post, or Ynetnews to read the bullshit you are supposed to believe.
74 - jeannie danna
Good morning, Ruvy!
I left a comment for you in your roost and it was polite. However, your comments are...
:)have a great day!
75 - Ruvy
I realize that you may not like how I expressed myself in comment #69, Jeannie, but I remind you of what I wrote in comment #48:
What you see most of the other time is me forced to react to the violence around me, as well as the stupidity.
As for telling the American government to go to hell, this is long overdue. As for treating those who spit on us as trash to be beaten to a pulp, this too is long overdue. But that is reacting to a vicious, violent and murderous world. And I will not be nice when I see the honor of my people impugned and spit upon by fools and louts. I would be overjoyed to see the scum who push the lies of Israel Apartheid Week beaten bloody and taught never to insult Jews on campus - or anywhere else.
But that is not what I wish to be. That is what the world around me requires me to be.
This stands. I'd rather talk of peace, and plans to make people's lives better. But, I cannot be silent in the face of the evil around me - whether it be from the Americans, the Arabs, or fellow Israelis.