The Sunday (07 March 2010) edition of the Hebrew daily, Ma'ariv, carried this headline, Obama's deputy [Vice President Joseph Biden] brings clear message to Israel: 'Don't attack Iran'"
There was a time, some forty years ago, when such messages would have been conveyed behind closed doors. Indeed, in 1967 and 1973 the Americans tried to bully Israel into eschewing preemptive strikes on the Arabs when clear intelligence indicated an intent to attack and destroy Israel. But the bullying was all done behind closed doors. Now the bullying is open and out in the open, and all the excuse making does not hide the fact that Obama and his sycophants are bullying Israel all the time. This is nothing but a falafel republic, on a lower level even than Lebanon.
When Israel ignored and defied the United States in 1967 it won a stunning victory, conquering the Sinai and liberating Gaza, Judea, Samaria, the Heights of Golan, and of course, unifying Jerusalem. When Israel caved in to American pressure in 1973, it fought desperately for its survival, suffering 2,500 casualties and losing diplomatically everywhere. The world is a cruel place and it stomps on losers. But more to the point, we can clearly see that the American government, no matter what face it puts on to the public to deceive it, is against the State of Israel. Its advice is inevitably a disaster for us.
Nevertheless, the American government cannot be blamed for the stupidity of the Israeli government, or its cowardice in not aggressively protecting the Jewish people from 1972 until today. This is true in spite of the fact that the Americans, through the CFR, the State Department and through the Ford Foundation, have corrupted Israeli institutions from the inside, and a once peaceful and sober society is becoming a land of violent thugs and drunks — just like America, which Israel imitates slavishly. The reason we in Israel cannot blame America is that there is such a thing as free will. One can always say "NO". It is much harder than saying "yes" — it is always harder to do what is right, as opposed to what is easy. But the choice still lies with our leaders, and we Israelis are responsible for the fact that we allow our leaders to commit treason in our name and sacrifice our sons and daughters for "peace", making it such that Israelis literally die to please Americans.
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— go to most recent comments1 - zingzing
"I think even the craven prostitutes and traitors in the government (except for Barak) have finally figured out the US government for what it is - a mortal enemy.
So, yes it is time to tell the American government to go to hell. Tehran delenda est! Tehran must be destroyed!"
did you skip a paragraph there? nothing about that transition makes sense. of course, any time you bring up genocide, i have a hard time following. disturbing, to say the least.
"And if our leaders do indeed prove to be too cowardly to do what is necessary - telling the Americans off and attacking Iran in such a way that they will not be able to respond - at least from Iran - we'll have to rise up and "clean the shire" so to speak."
clean the shire... that sounds like masturbation, or some sort of tolkien/heavy metal fantasy lyric. then again, you do often remind me of some tattooed metalhead, sticking his tongue out and barking "KILL EM ALL!!!!" while whipping out the air guitar for some wicked runs or something like that.
2 - roger nowosielski
And all that neatly coinciding with Biden's visit to Israel, during which he said:
"Progress occurs in the Middle East when everyone knows there is simply no space between the United States and Israel."
Apparently, the Iranian situation has become the centerpiece of US diplomacy, and the idea of reinstating peace-talks with the Palestinians was put on the back burner.
What of course Ruvy doesn't like is that the statement of US policy, as articulated by Biden, ties Israel's hand to act independently and proactively.
So in a sense, this article is as predictable as the sun rising tomorrow morning.
And we all thought we were up for some kind of surprise.
3 - Ruvy
zing,
"clean the shire" was a term I pulled from Tolkien - I think he used "rising of the shire", but "cleaning the shire" seemed more appropot to me. Garbage collection seems to leave much to be desired in this country at times.
So, yes it is time to tell the American government to go to hell. Tehran delenda est! Tehran must be destroyed!"
did you skip a paragraph there? nothing about that transition makes sense.
The transition was weak at that point. I grant you that. It was getting difficult to write when I composed those lines. I was tired. I could have added another paragraph to make the article read more smoothly.
4 - roger nowosielski
I didn't need the transition, zing or Ruvy. I simply filled in the missing pieces from Ruvy's past writings.
5 - Ruvy
Roger,
If a statement from a fool like Biden does indeed tie the hands of the "leaders" on the kiryá in Jerusalem, it will indeed be time for a "rising of the shire" to clean out the Shabak/Securitate, and the bought off American garbage at the top of this country. The hanging rope will be too good for them.
This is an existential threat to us and is too important to be left to some incompetent CFR putz in the White House, much less his idiot of a deputy.
I would much prefer that the Persian people toppled the assholes in Tehran themselves. It would make things so much easier. More actions like these could bring the rapid overthrow of the brutal scum running Persia. But I have the feeling that they might take too long.
The only hopeful sign I see is that the Russkis pulled out their boys from Persia. That happened just before an Israeli attack several times before, and may be a sign of good news.
6 - roger nowosielski
I understand the issues, Ruvy.
What I don't know is whether Biden's statement is an official statement of US policy or merely exercise in the politics of appeasement.
7 - zingzing
yeah, in trying to figure it out, i eventually caught on that the third paragraph on the first page is the idea that sticks between those two... so while it's not necessary, an additional transition would be helpful, i guess.
that's hilarious that it's actually tolkien. did you know that burzum (the black metal/hilarious douche who murdered a guitarist from a competing band and went to jail for 15 years--look him up, he's ridiculous) used to be known as uruk-hai, a "menacing super-race of orcs" in lord of the rings? no? neither did i. just a little bit of trivia there for you.
"I would much prefer that the Persian people toppled the assholes in Tehran themselves."
didn't you see last year's riots as a clue that they might want to do that? those people are being held prisoner over there. if you want to take out iran's government, i don't think there are too many people who would disagree with you (although our little experiment in iraq should put you off that idea). as much as the iranian people themselves want the iranian gov't gone, i'd bet they'd really look down on being nuked as well. it would make you the bad guys, not the iranians. nuking them would only bring iran (and the rest of the muslim world) together, and you'd be the next to be nuked.
8 - Glenn Contrarian
It was "cleansing of the Shire".
Ruvy, nobody 'wins' a war. Robert E. Lee once said the only thing half so terrible as a battle lost...is a battle won.
You know I do have some historical understanding of the Jewish plight and position...but as hateful as the concept is to you, the reality of the situation is that Israel still needs the goodwill of the west. If you nuke Iran, you verify the opinions of rabid anti-semites all through the world and build worldwide sympathy for the Muslims, and it can only end badly for you.
Learn the lessons of history, friend. Violence wasn't always the answer.
9 - zingzing
"cleansing" would have been particularly nasty in this context.
10 - zingzing
or maybe more honest...
11 - roger nowosielski
Give Ruvy credit. He probably knew better than that.
12 - zingzing
still food for thought... and at least he had to think about those implications as well.
13 - roger nowosielski
Here'a a link to "Tolkien Politics" for those who might be interested, a pdf file.
14 - Ruvy
didn't you see last year's riots as a clue that they might want to do that? those people are being held prisoner over there.
Duh.... Of course I did! The very last thing I want to see is this country dumping nukes anywhere. And that may not be the needed solution to stop the mullahs. But we are up against a clock. The mullahs know that, too. It doesn't appear that the people will be able to overthrow these bastards.
You must have missed the link I put in to show you that somebody might be trying to use subterfuge to bring down the regime there.
To make it all clear to you, if the world shuts off Persia's supply of refined oil, they are screwed. And then there can be the possibility of a popular revolt the Basiji will not be able to suppress.
But that revolt has to take place in time. If not, we have to strike to insure our own survival.
Glenn,
We no longer need your goodwill. That is the point of this article. Your power, your economic power, is fading as I type this comment. You can always send in your boys from Iraq along with the European fleet off Lebanon. But then we will use nukes to take you and the Syrians and anybody else out. And that will be just fine with me. Go back and read the words of Dov Gruner. That is the de minimis stance of most Israelis with respect to foreign intervention in our affairs.
Finally, and get this straight in your head, the G-d of Israel does not lie. In any such battle, we will win, because we have an Ally you do not have. Go read Ezekiel 38 and 39; go read the last chapter of Zechariah. That is G-d warning you of your future if you try to destroy us. To deny that, you have to deny your belief in G-d. I now you are too smart to do that.
In the end, it is not an issue of which king can throw how many tanks on the field or how many missiles in the sky; it is an issue of faith in G-d. Without that, I'd still be selling Whopper sandwiches at BK in St. Paul - if the store is still open....
15 - roger nowosielski
For "the cleansing of the shire," see page 15 in the above-linked document.
16 - jeannie danna
Ruvy,
Stunning!
Let's see, you just called us thugs, drunks, and whores, johns, and losers.
You told us that Obama owns a bunch of fawning parasites....blessed us! and then told us all to go to hell.
Although, you made many very good points here, Ruvy, as far as I'm concerned.
I fully agree with you that Wall Street is a casino and that Bush is the reason we are in this much trouble today.
However, the same individuals that hide behind the wall of secrecy provided by being shareholders are the same people pulling the strings in your country and ours. Don't just blame Obama for your woes; right now, he's fighting all of them.
Please allow me to point out here, that if I wanted to start calling everyone names in my articles, then I would have to back those names up with current links.
So now, you call me a sycophant? I’d rather you return to cheerleader, if you don’t mind.
17 - jeannie danna
Roger,
What is that link? My link scanner detected an error.
18 - roger nowosielski
Let's see if this works: Tolkien and Politics.
If not, I'll have to check with acrobat.com to eliminate the glitch.
19 - roger nowosielski
Yes, Jeannie, there's a glitch and I'm have to get it fixed. Thanks for letting me know.
20 - Clavos
However, the same individuals that hide behind the wall of secrecy provided by being shareholders are the same people pulling the strings in your country and ours.
What the hell? Where's my copy of that memo? For that matter, where the hell are my strings to pull???
21 - jeannie danna
Your welcome Roger.
22 - roger nowosielski
Until I get this glitch fixed, you can download the pdf file from the following site. However, you'd have to register.
Registration is free, and so is the future use of their documents.
23 - jeannie danna
And...is the big guy talking to me?
I believe those strings might be in your pocket. ????
I didn't say that all shareholders were guilty, did I?
24 - jeannie danna
Not that your not a big guy, Roger. Please don't misunderstand me.
25 - roger nowosielski
Jeannie,
It's rather obvious from the context that you were addressing Clavos.